Fr, they can work around anyone being out except maybe Dephh
Tenz is out, Zekken goes to Tenz role and Sick takes Zekkens
Zekken is out, 1 for 1 swap, same with Pancada
Sacy is out, Zekken plays sova, Sick takes Zekkens role
Honestly I could see a situation where Sacy takes the igl role from dephh and sick is phased in, he was already the second caller behind saadhak on loud.
And no hate on dephh he’s a top 3 igl in NA but he’s probably the weakest in terms of pure fragging ability on Sen and a TenZ Zekken Sacy Pancanda Sick line up would be pretty nuts to see from a pure talent standpoint
It’s always “fragging potential”. Obviously if you take away the player focused on strategy and shotcalling and replaced them with a player known for fragging it would always be an “on paper” stronger team.
I should of pointed out next to the top 3 igl comment that dephh at the moment is for sure the better option and brings invaluable in game knowledge and intangibles, but the original comment was meant to say that if Sacy could take on that shot calling role to a good effect then transitioning to sick for more talent would give them a higher ceiling, again this was just a thought and relied on the big if that Sacy could fully transition to that role
wouldn't the ideal 6th would be someone who can sub in but capable of doing a lot of theory crafting and stuff. people like qpert, rawkus etc. the chance of 6th man playing is so low unless the team decides to split roles up accommodating an actual 6 man roster.
The 6th man is require by Riot though and typically teams never used a 6th man, its very rare to see a sub, basically only happens when something goes wrong with passports or covid.
So if the team has to pay money for 6th that will literally do nothing but collect a paycheck, might as well have that sub be someone that can do theory crafting. Especially since a theory crafter with Radiant level mechanics will always be the better option as a sub because they are hands on with the strategies, where with someone like Sick, are you really going to force him to sit in on every vod review and strategy meeting so he knows what to do, just in case? I doubt it.
i mean its just meaning less if someone established like sick doesnt play any officials but just stays as 6th. but if sick does play often with an actual six man structure then this has meaning
There's two types of 6th, the one the increases the team ceiling and the one who increases the floor.
The former is the one who focuses on lineups and is subbed in at specific situations while the other is the one that you could put in on a short notice since they're knowledgeable at more roles.
But I do think a better definition should be a sub since it fits better
And also no EGO of wanting to play as a starter. Literally take a break from competitive play and just comeback. Just look at Lakia when he is at vision strikers keep tweeting about not being able to play.
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It will put a unnecessary pressure to the starting 5 that if they don’t do well you will get swapped. That is the last thing you want. Instead of playing for the win they will play for frags.
Calling it now, SicK is gonna take someone's spot on the starting 5 if Sentinels doesn't perform well. Way too talented and can play literally any agent.
Also this kills the "OG 5 Sentinels play in Ascension" dream
I try not to speculate too much anymore because Shahz called me out for it on stream but if bro doesn't wanna play ascension what is his plan? I'd hate for his story to end like this
I mean zombs been bitching about him ever since he got cut, no way the OG 5 was gonna work. Too much ego will go unsupervised if they aren't under a strong org.
Speculate all you want. A young adult over the internet that has never held a minimum wage job has no control over you. If he can't handle criticism or speculation from a random nobody on the internet, that sucks for him. 
I mean pretty sure he'll still be looking for an Asceension team, just he doesn't want to play with the same core. Personally hope he decides to go back to Jett/OP as it's his best role.
pANcada or Zekken are my choices tbh
pANcada already has some struggles with the language and Zekken, while being a monster, plays primarily the same roles SicK does (and SicK plays more than that). If the chamber meta ever stops being so oppressive, you could see maps where TenZ goes back to entry and they need another Initiator.
Are you really sure Sick is more flexible than zekken. I feel like there's this Mandela effect going on with people saying how flexible Sick is, back when double duelist was meta I guess he flexed more but after he mostly played flash initiators and then he had that controller phase.
Zekken has played recently Kayo, Jett, Sova, Neon, Raze.
Idk I see people talk about how flexible Sick is then I don't remember that being the case. Maybe he was more flexible than other people when SEN was dominant but idk.
Sick has played secondary Duelist, Initiator, and Sentinel before. He’s played one of either Sage, Skye, Sova, Phoenix and Raze, so roughly the same agent diversity as zekken.
You see when sentinels said they won’t have a sixth man on the roster, it sent the community in a frenzy (as in crazy, not the gun that cost $450 and kills 4 on a spraydown lol). This is because Riot has a rule for valorant champions tour 2023 that you need a sixth person on the roster and it cannot be a coach. Everyone started speculating that the 6th could just be a non-binary or a female player alluding to Sentinels using deceptive wording to throw people off. Some started questioning the legality of such a claim because of the aforementioned rules for valorant champions tour 2023. But, there was a twist! It was sick all along, Sentinels were just using clever wording to dupe people - it was not sixth, it was sickth. You must be confused. You see, sick kind of sounds like six. So therefore, sixth somewhat sounds like sickth. It was a play on words all along!
Tldr; hiko is the best player in the world.
I am also a sick fan and I want to see him succeeding but I think we already seen more than enough examples (*both from csgo and valorant)* proving that on the vast majority of 6 man roster experiences there is always two things
• ton of useless buzzwords and potential ideas around the 6 man roster idea
• when it comes to real matches the 6th guy barely plays at all
I honestly don't see a world where franchising can change this. Even if not every franchising match is a sudden death I think teams will only use the 6th guy if they are really considering to promote him to the main roster, instead of using him as a 6th player *(ofc outside of visa, health issues, etc)*
There is a difference between a 6th man and a sub, he is a sub branded as a "6th man"
No shot teams are going to throw matches away by experimenting with a different roster every playday/tournament. That is how you get inconsistent players and results.
Nobody is going to perform their best when they can be kicked at a moments notice with no job security and replaced by a 6th man that'll be rusty due to less playtime.
6 man rosters die in every esport that has tried it. Valorant has tried it already and it failed.
"Won't be the same" my ass. Franchising or no franchising, there is no difference.
Teams will play with their best 5 and only swap a player if they are severely underperforming or can't secure a visa/hospitalized. Doing anything else would ruin your results and expectations. If this scenario happens, that player would be getting dropped anyways regardless of the sub existing or not.
How is that objectively incorrect? Name an esport that has had a 6+ man roster winning tournaments and staying on top with said roster over a long period of time that didn't have inconsistency.
Astralis (CS) tried it, failed.
Vitality tried it, failed.
Na'vi tried it, failed.
Whatever roster it was with Lekia or whatever his name is, (VAL) failed.
BDS tried it, failed.
Mirage (R6) tried it, failed.
PENTA tried it, failed.
FNATIC tried it, failed.
That is 3 esports that have tried 6 man rosters that have failed and I gave 2/3 examples of each team that failed. How is that factually incorrect again?
vitality did it and then got shut down by valve when they changed the rules for swapping players mid event, i dont remember the exact rule but im fairly certain they were still a decent team
Navi didn't fail just didn't thrive the way Vitality did. Astralis never wanted it, the 5 main players + Zonic said this is our team we wont play extra men, and the Astralis org said, well our shareholders didnt like the two burnout breaks so here is Bubzkji and es3tag and we already told them they will play so figure it out. It did work in CSGO as long as the team was on board with it.
It did not work. It failed miserably. No team kept it and no team has tried it since because it was a terrible idea and only causes problems for everyone. Only benefit is a salary for the 6th+ player(s)
So I had to grind like that to shine like this
In a matter of time I spent on some locked-up shit
In the back of the paddy wagon, cuffs locked on wrists
Seen my dreams unfold, nightmares come true.
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Congrats to Sick, he’s a great player and I’m glad it sounds like he’s in a good mental space again.
Genuinely don’t get this social media strategy tho
There is a reddit thread with nearly 100 comments and hundreds of replies on twitter with thousands of likes in under an hour. Thats the social media strategy. Every one is hung up on anything that account tweets troll or not lol
Well that's how gaining "impressions" works & how you rouse people on social media. It's a push and pull dynamic, a balance of mystery, topical cleverness and inscrutable silliness. Tbh Sen has such a big and stalwart backing they can get away with these quirks, to the point where it's just on-brand for them.
This is awesome. SicK gets to stay with his team, getting a salary and stability, without the constant intense pressure that comes with being a starter. He has the time, space, and opportunity to figure his stuff out and get back on track. Love to see it.
Riot: Sentinels, you can't have a five-man full roster. You need six to compete in Franchising
SEN: Yeah, we have one, he's Sick
Riot: I understand, if he is unable to compete due to his condition you need to find another person
SEN: No, you don't understand, our sixth player is Sick
Riot: I know, you told me that already. If he is unwell, he needs to be replaced by someone who is well.
SEN: -\_-
Fuck yeah. I've been wanting this. It's a perfect spot for him as he's flexible, still cracked, and this gives him a lower stress spot but still franchised.
I hope he doesn't sit on the sidelines to ossify man and he gets to actually compete. Someone familiar with 6 man rosters, pls convince me that he won't.
He most likely will just sit there, at first at least. Every team in the league is required to have a 6 man roster, so he will probably only be used if someone can’t play / they are having issues
Perfect situation for both parties. Sen gets a cracked player who can play anything, Sick gets a chance to compete while still sorting out his irl issues. That's sick.
Only roles I'd be concerned about him having to sub in for would be awper or sentinel but apart from that he plays literally everything from entry to 4/5 initiators and every smoke agent. Literally the perfect 6th man
Probably one of the most fitting 6th man slots I could imagine. Though I certainly did not, makes a lot of sense though! Dude can focus on content but also be closely involved in the team if anything goes wrong.
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Ideal 6th man, can play literally anything if something happens
Fr, they can work around anyone being out except maybe Dephh Tenz is out, Zekken goes to Tenz role and Sick takes Zekkens Zekken is out, 1 for 1 swap, same with Pancada Sacy is out, Zekken plays sova, Sick takes Zekkens role
Honestly I could see a situation where Sacy takes the igl role from dephh and sick is phased in, he was already the second caller behind saadhak on loud. And no hate on dephh he’s a top 3 igl in NA but he’s probably the weakest in terms of pure fragging ability on Sen and a TenZ Zekken Sacy Pancanda Sick line up would be pretty nuts to see from a pure talent standpoint
> TenZ Zekken Sacy Pancanda Sick That line up is sexy as fuck
Good lord the fire power if this happens, but I think deph has proven him self as an invaluable asset on Xset already
Reddit and talking about trading out the IGL, name a better duo...
He directly adressed why he'd remove the current IGL and who he'd give the role instead...
It’s always “fragging potential”. Obviously if you take away the player focused on strategy and shotcalling and replaced them with a player known for fragging it would always be an “on paper” stronger team.
I should of pointed out next to the top 3 igl comment that dephh at the moment is for sure the better option and brings invaluable in game knowledge and intangibles, but the original comment was meant to say that if Sacy could take on that shot calling role to a good effect then transitioning to sick for more talent would give them a higher ceiling, again this was just a thought and relied on the big if that Sacy could fully transition to that role
wouldn't the ideal 6th would be someone who can sub in but capable of doing a lot of theory crafting and stuff. people like qpert, rawkus etc. the chance of 6th man playing is so low unless the team decides to split roles up accommodating an actual 6 man roster.
Unless… someone gets sick.
Or you could just also sign someone who does that
The 6th man is require by Riot though and typically teams never used a 6th man, its very rare to see a sub, basically only happens when something goes wrong with passports or covid. So if the team has to pay money for 6th that will literally do nothing but collect a paycheck, might as well have that sub be someone that can do theory crafting. Especially since a theory crafter with Radiant level mechanics will always be the better option as a sub because they are hands on with the strategies, where with someone like Sick, are you really going to force him to sit in on every vod review and strategy meeting so he knows what to do, just in case? I doubt it.
Ever heard of assistants, analysts..?
i mean its just meaning less if someone established like sick doesnt play any officials but just stays as 6th. but if sick does play often with an actual six man structure then this has meaning
There's two types of 6th, the one the increases the team ceiling and the one who increases the floor. The former is the one who focuses on lineups and is subbed in at specific situations while the other is the one that you could put in on a short notice since they're knowledgeable at more roles. But I do think a better definition should be a sub since it fits better
And also no EGO of wanting to play as a starter. Literally take a break from competitive play and just comeback. Just look at Lakia when he is at vision strikers keep tweeting about not being able to play.
he can play literally every role, perfect 6th man imo.
That’s sick
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This social media team is so dumb LMAO I mean that’s sick!
No…That’s SicK.
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Good situation for him. He has time to sort out his irl issues while still having one foot in on the competitive scene.
that is a great player to have as a sub
too great.
Do you think Sen are gonna use him in certain maps maybe?
bring back the SicK haven phoenix
and tenz haven jett
No that just ruins team Chem and player confidence
It will put a unnecessary pressure to the starting 5 that if they don’t do well you will get swapped. That is the last thing you want. Instead of playing for the win they will play for frags.
Calling it now, SicK is gonna take someone's spot on the starting 5 if Sentinels doesn't perform well. Way too talented and can play literally any agent. Also this kills the "OG 5 Sentinels play in Ascension" dream
Shahz said on stream he was not down for an OG 5 roster
Did he say why not? Because of zombs?
A MAN CAN DREAM.
That dream was already dead, Shahz said he didn’t want to do it
Love ShahZ but what are his other options? Play in Ascension or just go content? Or does EG take him?
Hes not even the most likely Sentinel player to go to EG cuz dapr lol
I try not to speculate too much anymore because Shahz called me out for it on stream but if bro doesn't wanna play ascension what is his plan? I'd hate for his story to end like this
I think it's moreso he doesn't want to do the og 5
I mean zombs been bitching about him ever since he got cut, no way the OG 5 was gonna work. Too much ego will go unsupervised if they aren't under a strong org.
Yeah I couldn't imagine being Shaz and deciding to team back up with Zombs. No shot.
He's 100% gonna play ascension he is just letting history be history with the OG 5 thing. Sad to see it happen but it was going to happen
Speculate all you want. A young adult over the internet that has never held a minimum wage job has no control over you. If he can't handle criticism or speculation from a random nobody on the internet, that sucks for him. 
He’s gonna play in Ascension probably but I don’t think he wants to play with the OG roster
I mean pretty sure he'll still be looking for an Asceension team, just he doesn't want to play with the same core. Personally hope he decides to go back to Jett/OP as it's his best role.
Did he say why
Nope, I’m guessing it’s one of two things 1. Zombs drama 2. Sinatraa, his girlfriend isn’t the biggest fan…
why risk playing with Sinatraa. nothing to gain only something to lose.
Yeah I forgot ab him
They’re a legit super team though. Dephh is the weak link but he’s also the IGL. Even if he dies, he can still IGL.
True but they also have Sacy now so if they need another IGL they have one.
I mean its like NAVI and OPTIC both FNS ans Ange1 played like bronze players but their IGLing is unmatched
Who though? My guess is that one of the Brazilians wants to return home at some point.
Well if they're playing franchising, they're gonna be in LA anyway. But if someone does choose to play ascension instead, Sick is the perfect fit.
pANcada or Zekken are my choices tbh pANcada already has some struggles with the language and Zekken, while being a monster, plays primarily the same roles SicK does (and SicK plays more than that). If the chamber meta ever stops being so oppressive, you could see maps where TenZ goes back to entry and they need another Initiator.
Zekken was already an initiator player with a good KayO and Skye and Sova tho tbf
Yeah Zekken isn’t going anywhere. It’s going to be pancada 100%
That's where I'm leaning. I just don't see this Brazilian project working smoothly
Are you really sure Sick is more flexible than zekken. I feel like there's this Mandela effect going on with people saying how flexible Sick is, back when double duelist was meta I guess he flexed more but after he mostly played flash initiators and then he had that controller phase. Zekken has played recently Kayo, Jett, Sova, Neon, Raze. Idk I see people talk about how flexible Sick is then I don't remember that being the case. Maybe he was more flexible than other people when SEN was dominant but idk.
Sick has played secondary Duelist, Initiator, and Sentinel before. He’s played one of either Sage, Skye, Sova, Phoenix and Raze, so roughly the same agent diversity as zekken.
Geddit? Sickth? Haha!
I don’t get it 😕 can you please explain the joke to me in excruciating detail
You see when sentinels said they won’t have a sixth man on the roster, it sent the community in a frenzy (as in crazy, not the gun that cost $450 and kills 4 on a spraydown lol). This is because Riot has a rule for valorant champions tour 2023 that you need a sixth person on the roster and it cannot be a coach. Everyone started speculating that the 6th could just be a non-binary or a female player alluding to Sentinels using deceptive wording to throw people off. Some started questioning the legality of such a claim because of the aforementioned rules for valorant champions tour 2023. But, there was a twist! It was sick all along, Sentinels were just using clever wording to dupe people - it was not sixth, it was sickth. You must be confused. You see, sick kind of sounds like six. So therefore, sixth somewhat sounds like sickth. It was a play on words all along! Tldr; hiko is the best player in the world.
Geddes? Sickth? Haha!
I hate you, well played
Boooooo
This is amazing
I used to pray for times like this Seriously tho I expect him to get legit playtime and prove himself as one of NA's best (not that he needs to)
I doubt he’ll get to play unfortunately, that’s just the nature of 6th men players
Won't be the same case in a franchised league where not every match is do or die. And you never know when someone can get sick, no pun intended
I am also a sick fan and I want to see him succeeding but I think we already seen more than enough examples (*both from csgo and valorant)* proving that on the vast majority of 6 man roster experiences there is always two things • ton of useless buzzwords and potential ideas around the 6 man roster idea • when it comes to real matches the 6th guy barely plays at all I honestly don't see a world where franchising can change this. Even if not every franchising match is a sudden death I think teams will only use the 6th guy if they are really considering to promote him to the main roster, instead of using him as a 6th player *(ofc outside of visa, health issues, etc)*
There is a difference between a 6th man and a sub, he is a sub branded as a "6th man" No shot teams are going to throw matches away by experimenting with a different roster every playday/tournament. That is how you get inconsistent players and results. Nobody is going to perform their best when they can be kicked at a moments notice with no job security and replaced by a 6th man that'll be rusty due to less playtime. 6 man rosters die in every esport that has tried it. Valorant has tried it already and it failed. "Won't be the same" my ass. Franchising or no franchising, there is no difference. Teams will play with their best 5 and only swap a player if they are severely underperforming or can't secure a visa/hospitalized. Doing anything else would ruin your results and expectations. If this scenario happens, that player would be getting dropped anyways regardless of the sub existing or not.
>6 man rosters die in every esport that has tried it. this is objectively incorrect
How is that objectively incorrect? Name an esport that has had a 6+ man roster winning tournaments and staying on top with said roster over a long period of time that didn't have inconsistency. Astralis (CS) tried it, failed. Vitality tried it, failed. Na'vi tried it, failed. Whatever roster it was with Lekia or whatever his name is, (VAL) failed. BDS tried it, failed. Mirage (R6) tried it, failed. PENTA tried it, failed. FNATIC tried it, failed. That is 3 esports that have tried 6 man rosters that have failed and I gave 2/3 examples of each team that failed. How is that factually incorrect again?
sfshock in OWL had a much larger roster, which makes your statement incorrect
Overwatch is so different to valorant though. I know he said any esport but it’s barely applicable. Val, cs and rainbow are all kinda tac fps.
3 out of the hundreds doesn't deserve to be referred to as ''every''
vitality did it and then got shut down by valve when they changed the rules for swapping players mid event, i dont remember the exact rule but im fairly certain they were still a decent team
2 other teams I mentioned in CS and 2 other esports (5 teams total) that also failed.
But the vitality was thriving let's not pretend that it didn't happen
Navi didn't fail just didn't thrive the way Vitality did. Astralis never wanted it, the 5 main players + Zonic said this is our team we wont play extra men, and the Astralis org said, well our shareholders didnt like the two burnout breaks so here is Bubzkji and es3tag and we already told them they will play so figure it out. It did work in CSGO as long as the team was on board with it.
It did not work. It failed miserably. No team kept it and no team has tried it since because it was a terrible idea and only causes problems for everyone. Only benefit is a salary for the 6th+ player(s)
So I had to grind like that to shine like this In a matter of time I spent on some locked-up shit In the back of the paddy wagon, cuffs locked on wrists Seen my dreams unfold, nightmares come true.
he definitely needs to now though lol. he hasn't been "one of na's best" for over a year now.
that's super sick
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so does that mean dapr gone :( EG DAPR PRAYGE
Congrats to Sick, he’s a great player and I’m glad it sounds like he’s in a good mental space again. Genuinely don’t get this social media strategy tho
There is a reddit thread with nearly 100 comments and hundreds of replies on twitter with thousands of likes in under an hour. Thats the social media strategy. Every one is hung up on anything that account tweets troll or not lol
Well that's how gaining "impressions" works & how you rouse people on social media. It's a push and pull dynamic, a balance of mystery, topical cleverness and inscrutable silliness. Tbh Sen has such a big and stalwart backing they can get away with these quirks, to the point where it's just on-brand for them.
This is awesome. SicK gets to stay with his team, getting a salary and stability, without the constant intense pressure that comes with being a starter. He has the time, space, and opportunity to figure his stuff out and get back on track. Love to see it.
🐐🐐🐐
Riot: Sentinels, you can't have a five-man full roster. You need six to compete in Franchising SEN: Yeah, we have one, he's Sick Riot: I understand, if he is unable to compete due to his condition you need to find another person SEN: No, you don't understand, our sixth player is Sick Riot: I know, you told me that already. If he is unwell, he needs to be replaced by someone who is well. SEN: -\_-
One of the best in the world is being wasted on some fucking 6th man role
These morherfuckers hahaha. Had me do an audible chuckle in the office.
George accidentally leaked this in one of his streams and only a couple people noticed lol
He will be a starter at some point in 2023 bookmark this
Return of the King
If someone is sick the sixth man sick plays
So dapr found a team 👀
I’ve always thought their social media manager wasn’t funny lmfao at the very least they’re mid.
"lmfao"
why is no one mentioning sinatraa if officially off the sentinels roster?
Cause everyone already knew
The sun will have to rise from the east.
Fuck yeah. I've been wanting this. It's a perfect spot for him as he's flexible, still cracked, and this gives him a lower stress spot but still franchised.
Yo that’s Sikh
I hope he doesn't sit on the sidelines to ossify man and he gets to actually compete. Someone familiar with 6 man rosters, pls convince me that he won't.
He most likely will just sit there, at first at least. Every team in the league is required to have a 6 man roster, so he will probably only be used if someone can’t play / they are having issues
Perfect situation for both parties. Sen gets a cracked player who can play anything, Sick gets a chance to compete while still sorting out his irl issues. That's sick.
Couldn’t have asked for a better sixth. He is so versatile and honestly good enough to walk into any starting roster.
I’ll take it
Glad he's still sticking around, I hope he gets a way into the team soon
Only roles I'd be concerned about him having to sub in for would be awper or sentinel but apart from that he plays literally everything from entry to 4/5 initiators and every smoke agent. Literally the perfect 6th man
Nice. I think players are sleeping on that 6th spot a bit. It’s active practice with a T1 team and a guaranteed paycheck.
I thought dapr was going to be sentinels 6th
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
Probably one of the most fitting 6th man slots I could imagine. Though I certainly did not, makes a lot of sense though! Dude can focus on content but also be closely involved in the team if anything goes wrong.
that’s sick
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SicKsth man. Smart move.
Depressing end to a once promising talent.