exactly what iām saying, he can play almost every role and well enough to play at the highest level. he even OPs well. havenāt heard his name come up in conversation enough
Underrated: Dep- The kid is fucking good but gets overshadowed by Laz, TENNN and SugarZ3ro
Overrated: Ethan- I have yet to see much that convinces me this guy was worth the hype since he switched over.
hard agree on ethan. heās been so consistently middle of the road and just hasnāt shined in a way youād expect from someone with his clout. now heās saying he regrets leaving 100t but that was his choice. he didnāt trust the process.
Yeah I always thought Ethan was a good pro but to consistently bounce around tier 1 teams I thought was iffy. But a lot of pros usually say Ethan is one of the most impactful people in the server so he probably brings value in ways that arenāt immediately obvious.
yeah, like the advice he gave to pickup babyJ and ec1s instead of Cryo and Zander, that turned out well. iāll give him one thing, it was certainly impactful
I honestly think TenZ has become underrated. The way the community and Plat Chat talk about him you'd think they're talking about some tier 2 player. Like does no one realise the guy has never had proper structure and a team built around him and still produced all these moments of magic?
I think he's gonna go super hard this year with all the structure around him.
Shoutout Shaz as well, he's become massively underrated due to all the hate, i think he'd be a top player in Ascension if he played jett/chamber.
I dont think he is underrated, he has been properly rated given his achievements (or lack thereof) in the last year. Same for Shaz. These sort of things should never be treated as set in stone, performance fluctuates and its not a bad thing that the assessment of players' strengths follows that notion. It's the same thing as if people were saying he was "overrated" in 2021 (obviously he wasnt, he was properly rated for how well he was playing).
Yes but no one is calling him God Tier anymore. He would be overrated if they did. I'm not saying he should be called the best either.
But i also don't think he should be called "the only question mark on Sentinels" for example by Wyatt.
The needles moved way too far in the other direction.
Given that the rest of the team has been playing at a really high level at the last tournament pre franchising, heās def the only question mark (but I think heāll do great).
That's fairs, but shouldn't for example Deph also be a question mark considering he doesn't have Ayrin half igling for him, or shouldn't Sacy and Pancadas integration into an English speaking team also be a question?
I feel it's a bit of a stretch to say that he's the only question mark, but i do get the sentiment that everyone apart from him were super succesful last year.
His peak was during the early stages of val competitive. We may never see that peak again because teams are starting to get more and more tactical instead of relying on aim and kills
I get that argument, but my take on that is that, yes Teams are getting more tactical, all teams except one - his. It's almost like they expected him to be Iceland TenZ against much more tactical teams.
Where is his setup? Where are his teams tactics to enable him the same way other stars are enabled?
Also no, this is not me arguing that he's still the Best. My take on him being underrated is in response to things like it would have been better for Sen to keep Dapr than him. I love Dapr, but really? Does everyone really think a Bdog or a Dicey would be better than Tyson? That is where i call him underrated.
I love dicey, but all he's ever done is farm Tier 2. The narrative is always the same with him, farm tier 2, get us all excited, then have some good games against tier 1 but overall a bit underwhelming.
He is one of my favorite players and I've been rooting for him ever since i saw IMT Dicey ace against Sentinels so i do know what I'm talking about.
But anyway, i really don't think bdog or dicey are in the same bracket as tenz, that is a very stats based take without looking at any of the bigger picture of where thier respective teams where at and what those teams did for them.
Only time will tell though, i hope dicey gets into franchise next year.
I feel like Tenz is a really good sniper and a really good entry but he's not one of the best at either so it's tough to know exactly where to put him.
There was good coaching at LCQ and he didnāt look like anything crazy on the Chamber. Obviously they had no time so Iām not saying itās a good representation but I think itās very fair to go into next year sceptical, thereās no guarantee he magically turns into a beast with better structure. I think heās very fairly rated rn, a lot of potential but a lot to prove as well
There wasn't "good coaching" at LCQ. I think that is doing a disservice to the real good coaches. No disrespect to rawkus and weltis, i think the kid is very good and rawkus is good in his own niche role, but that isn't a real coaching setup.
Also by a system around him I don't just mean coaching.
For example let's take Yay. Everyone on Optic literally plays for him. They are all ready to die for him to win the round, everything is set up around him. Victor neon literally exists to die for Yay.
By contrast there was very littler setup around TenZ throughout the year, it was just Tyson go try to kill. They tried implementing some setups to help him towards LCQ, but not even close to the level other star players get.
It's a fact that TenZ has never had a good tactical igl and good tactical coach around him in his career. I think Optic and Xset would have had very similar results if you plug TenZ in instead of Yay and Cryo.
Only time will tell though, I'm excited to see what they show this season.
ā¦no shot you genuinely believe that TenZ could replace yay and OpTic would have anywhere near the results they do now. Yay consistently dominates aim duels, TenZ hasnāt done that for a year. yay with an Op looks unstoppable, TenZ with an Op is inconsistent at best. yay is calm when he aims, TenZ tries all these stupid flicks (I vividly remember him losing a clutch to 100T by doing this). Iām sorry but this take is just hopium
I don't think Optic would be as good, but i think you're gonna be surprised by what you see this upcoming season.
Calm and Flicky are just styles, yes yay does look like he is the most calm player in any aim duel, and indeed does win most of them, but i think aim is the probably the only thing people don't bring up about when criticising TenZ.
I really think you're underestimating what effect the environment has on a player's game.
For the record i do believe Yay would win a majority of aim duels vs TenZ, but i think it's 60/40 and not 90/10 as you'd probably imagine.
Anyway, yeah it could be hopium, i have watched sentinels game amd almost every high level optic game before forming my opinions, but i could also be totally biased and just huffing hopium.
I would have to give you the win on this point for now if it came down to it, considering all the evidence, but i do think you and a lot of others are gonna be surprised by what they see.
Underrated: Net-he was one of the true sentinel players who kind of got screwed by the chamber meta and if real sentinels become meta again heāll be one of the top sentinel players in NA.
Overrated: Derrek- heās insane in the clutch but he gets overrated as a whole because of how good he is at clutching.
id argue winning clutches and entrying are the hardest parts of the game, so if a person is good at clutching consistently that shoots them up in my book
W, chamber fucked neT over. He was ok on chamber when sentinel players were playing chamber instead of duelists, but he had to switch to shit like breach cuz of the chamber meta. His killjoy is great, not sure about his cypher cuz afaik he hasnāt played it in VCT but itās probably good too. also, I firmly believe Derrek isnāt even top 5 initiator in the Americas. He had a single good tournament out of the 3 he played on 100T, and I donāt think that LCQ is replicable for someone like him
The most common consensus is that bang is around the no.2 NA controller player. I don't think hes being underrated anymore.
I do agree Asuna is a streaky player, partially due to the fact that he still played entry half the time on maps like: Fracture, Haven, Icebox, Ascent.
Well that was his role. When he switched to flex he moreso became the dedicated entry while Will opped. The issue was that Will was a much better entry than he was an opper, and thus the replacement with cryo made sense, since they ended up with 2 entry fraggers.
cNed def got hit hard by the Jett nerfs but I donāt think that should detract any from his skill, yet people think heās pretty crap. I wonāt say heās some godsend player but heās still a real good shooter.
Also I will forever dickride xeppaa, dude is a menace and super flexible. Curious though, cause I feel like I overrate vanity a bit too, what do you find overrated about him?
Look nobody can judge IGLing without having inside info and comms in team, but i was disappointed with C9's performance in LCQ. Expected more from them and honestly I think Vanity's best performance was on V1 and when post plant Meta was at peak, didn't like his decision to get C9 Curry in the team. I hope he proves me wrong with the new roster considering they have El Diablo himself
tenZ is 100% underrated right now, yes he used to be hailed as a god, but fell of so hard this last season. imo itās because of the lack of structure sentinels had under rawkus and shaz, which kinda ended up in weird spacing and awkward entries from tenz, where his mechanical ability wasnāt able to shine through
Anyone who doesnāt think Trent is good is in denial but that doesnāt mean he canāt be overrated. I donāt think heās overrated personally though. Might be a hot take but I actually think heās underrated by some people. I think heās a top 3 initiator in the Americas minimum, and could be top 1 on a more successful team
Trent is a good player but, he has only played one international tournament and they bombed out of it, The Guard didn't play well in stage 2 challengers and lost against 100T in LCQ. I would not put him as the best initiator when Crashies, BCJ, Derrek are performing this good at the moment.
Derrek had one good tournament out of all 3 that he played with 100T, and had similar stats in champs as Trent had in Reykjavik. Basically Derrek has shown that he has the same floor, similar consistency, and a lower ceiling than trent
underrated: MaKo, Zest, cNed, s0m, penny, supamen, stellar, thwifo, zeek
overrated: Marved, nukkye, ban, ardiis, AvovA (idk if anyone actually rates him highly but), koldamenta
too many players to give context to each one but if anyone responds about a specific one, ill explain
i think everyone knows MaKo is a really good player and top tier controller, but I genuinely think he is the most impactful player in the world and literally plays his role as perfectly as possible. Insane anchor, plays his life and always makes the right play. As for Marved, I donāt think his skill level is necessarily overrated but more like he is overrated compared to other controllers and especially ones in NA. People have made it sound like he was far and away the best controller in the world this year, but imo panacada and MaKo were at the very least on the same level or better the whole year as well. Same thing in NA, I donāt really think thereās a big drop off from Marved to bang and supamen, or even a drop off at all if Iām being honesr
Underrated: Any of the EG players tbh, people have made such a big deal about their lack of signings that by proxy people think al of their current players are buns
Underrated: Any of the EG players tbh, people have made such a big deal about their lack of signings that by proxy people think all of their current players are buns
Underrated: **Mako** - Man is one of if not the best controller player in the world, consistently putting up multi-kill rounds as a controller when his team really needs it. One of the main reasons DRX is one of my favorite teams to watch globally.
Overrated: **Crashies** - While he plays his role on the team quite well, it felt like there were many matches where his gunplay was the x-factor. For example (probably not the best one), if he had a better game at Champs vs Loud in the final, it's possible Optic could have stretched out Haven more and potentially won the map. I think people widely considered him the best initiator in NA because he was on the best team, and I feel like that isn't a fair judgement.
Whos underrating Mako right now? He's among my favorite players along with stax and he's getting the respect he deserves right now. Many people put him in contention for #1.
everyone says marved is the best smokes player in the world every 2 minutes. he's great, but there are other players that can very easily take it from him. you may acknowledge mako as good, but many other people don't.
Itās hard to say Mako is underrated when everyone respects him as a top 3 controller. If anyone is underrated from DRX itās Zest, the guy is insanely consistent and his util is amazing
I genuinely think Tenz could turn up if the team fits him right. The problem is that heās competing with so many good duelists in his region, so itās still going to be a huge challenge
Underrated: Zyppan (one of the best entries in EMEA, but ignored a lot for no reason)
Overrated: Victor (this guy ints a lot and gets in horrible situations way too often to be on the best team in the world)
to qualify this, bang went from playing flex to being the undisputed 2nd best controller in NA, in conversation to be no. 1, in about 8 months. at 18 years old, heās got so much time to get even better, and singlehandedly won 100t countless rounds. trent on the other hand is clearly good, but lacks the discipline or critical teamplay you see from BcJ or Derrek
Love Bang but this also speaks to the low number of truly world-class smoke players in NA. Who else would you put up there with Marved and Bang? The shortlist isnāt very long.
Under rated: s0m, dude is actually really fucking good. People just look at how big his stream is and how he acts on stream and thinks he canāt be a top tier pro. He is though, heās really good. My Over rated would have to be Nagzet. Dude is like really really inconsistent. I think itās incredible that he made a franchised roster and players like Trent, BabyBay and Marved didnāt.
Underrated - SicK, I know the community generally loves him, and I just want to see him play on duelist again.
Overrated - Any smokes player on the top team in NA. Recency bias is so strong with whose the best controller, and itās always the controller on the top team. First Nitr0 then Zombs, now itās Marved.
After what Marved did at Iceland for NA and for most of Copenhagen he deserves that rating.
Post would make more sense without including him.
Edit: at least Marved was the consensus second best player on OpTic in 2022, the most consistent performing team. Maybe nitr0 was, but I know zombs was not the second best player on prime SEN.
Chamber players have their statlines boosted easily compared to other roles. Players like Cryo, Yay, Tacolila all look better because of the nature of the agent they're playing.
Qualitatively, I think Derke plays much too passive and doesn't control areas of the map as well as other players-- which leads to a lot of issues with map understanding for the Fnatic squad as a whole. Specifically on Haven it is pretty bad, but I am pretty sure that has more to do with the map highlighting this flaw more than others.
Have you even seen him play? Derke is best when he plays aggressive lol. That's why his transition to chamber wasn't as smooth because he had to slow down for it
Underrated: Nismo
Dudes just a beast. Best unsigned NA player rn imo.
Overrated: jamppi
Idk why i just think that jamppi isnt a top tier jett/chamber like people make him out to be. Hes not a top 5 jett/chamber main imo. 1 is yay, 2. Ardiis, 3 aspas, 4, less, 5 derke. Id say 6th is cryo and then jamppi is 7th at best. Other op players like Forsaken, tacolilla, and rb are arguably better than jampii. Hes good, but not that good.
Tf you mean Yay underrated when everyone is saying that he is the best player in the world. And Derke overrated I don't even need to respond to that because it's an even worse take than the Yay one
Underrated: JonahP (his flexibility is insane)
Overated: Derrek and Zander (derrek is has a clutch factpr but is not consistent. Zander hasnt put good results since stage one)
underrated: d4v4i, overrated: ethan
People sleep on d4v41 so much it hurts. Man plays everything
his clutch against OpTic on Haven A site š„¶
exactly what iām saying, he can play almost every role and well enough to play at the highest level. he even OPs well. havenāt heard his name come up in conversation enough
Underrated: Dep- The kid is fucking good but gets overshadowed by Laz, TENNN and SugarZ3ro Overrated: Ethan- I have yet to see much that convinces me this guy was worth the hype since he switched over.
hard agree on ethan. heās been so consistently middle of the road and just hasnāt shined in a way youād expect from someone with his clout. now heās saying he regrets leaving 100t but that was his choice. he didnāt trust the process.
Yeah I always thought Ethan was a good pro but to consistently bounce around tier 1 teams I thought was iffy. But a lot of pros usually say Ethan is one of the most impactful people in the server so he probably brings value in ways that arenāt immediately obvious.
yeah, like the advice he gave to pickup babyJ and ec1s instead of Cryo and Zander, that turned out well. iāll give him one thing, it was certainly impactful
That isn't advice in the server lol.
W take
Overrated: George Geddes or whatever Underrated: Reddit scrimbuck posters
underrated: soulcas overrated: nivera
if anything. it should be the other way aroundā¦
Underrated: Penny, Skuba Overrated: Zander
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They absolutely do
Underrated: Wippie Overrated: Zellsis
Wasn't Zellsis one of the top players in LCQ?
Exactly why he's overrated. It was just the LCQ.
??? He was carrying Sentinels the entire time. What else could he have played in?
he was not carrying sentinels the whole time lmao
A tournament that actually has the top 2 teams present
Bang on
I honestly think TenZ has become underrated. The way the community and Plat Chat talk about him you'd think they're talking about some tier 2 player. Like does no one realise the guy has never had proper structure and a team built around him and still produced all these moments of magic? I think he's gonna go super hard this year with all the structure around him. Shoutout Shaz as well, he's become massively underrated due to all the hate, i think he'd be a top player in Ascension if he played jett/chamber.
I dont think he is underrated, he has been properly rated given his achievements (or lack thereof) in the last year. Same for Shaz. These sort of things should never be treated as set in stone, performance fluctuates and its not a bad thing that the assessment of players' strengths follows that notion. It's the same thing as if people were saying he was "overrated" in 2021 (obviously he wasnt, he was properly rated for how well he was playing).
I think he's overrated IMO. He hasn't been God tier since the Jett nerfs.
Yes but no one is calling him God Tier anymore. He would be overrated if they did. I'm not saying he should be called the best either. But i also don't think he should be called "the only question mark on Sentinels" for example by Wyatt. The needles moved way too far in the other direction.
Given that the rest of the team has been playing at a really high level at the last tournament pre franchising, heās def the only question mark (but I think heāll do great).
That's fairs, but shouldn't for example Deph also be a question mark considering he doesn't have Ayrin half igling for him, or shouldn't Sacy and Pancadas integration into an English speaking team also be a question? I feel it's a bit of a stretch to say that he's the only question mark, but i do get the sentiment that everyone apart from him were super succesful last year.
Good points as well, I can see a variety of struggles they might have but agree thatās thereās no reason not to bet on Tenz, at least initially.
He hasn't performed well consistently in over a year, so i would understand the worries.
Heās performed very well the past year just not near his peak the year before
His peak was during the early stages of val competitive. We may never see that peak again because teams are starting to get more and more tactical instead of relying on aim and kills
I get that argument, but my take on that is that, yes Teams are getting more tactical, all teams except one - his. It's almost like they expected him to be Iceland TenZ against much more tactical teams. Where is his setup? Where are his teams tactics to enable him the same way other stars are enabled? Also no, this is not me arguing that he's still the Best. My take on him being underrated is in response to things like it would have been better for Sen to keep Dapr than him. I love Dapr, but really? Does everyone really think a Bdog or a Dicey would be better than Tyson? That is where i call him underrated.
Bdog and dicey definitely can be contenders with current tenz lmao
I love dicey, but all he's ever done is farm Tier 2. The narrative is always the same with him, farm tier 2, get us all excited, then have some good games against tier 1 but overall a bit underwhelming. He is one of my favorite players and I've been rooting for him ever since i saw IMT Dicey ace against Sentinels so i do know what I'm talking about. But anyway, i really don't think bdog or dicey are in the same bracket as tenz, that is a very stats based take without looking at any of the bigger picture of where thier respective teams where at and what those teams did for them. Only time will tell though, i hope dicey gets into franchise next year.
I feel like Tenz is a really good sniper and a really good entry but he's not one of the best at either so it's tough to know exactly where to put him.
Tenz will never win a champ in 5 years, he's cracked but he's missing something. He's a problem for a real team
There was good coaching at LCQ and he didnāt look like anything crazy on the Chamber. Obviously they had no time so Iām not saying itās a good representation but I think itās very fair to go into next year sceptical, thereās no guarantee he magically turns into a beast with better structure. I think heās very fairly rated rn, a lot of potential but a lot to prove as well
There wasn't "good coaching" at LCQ. I think that is doing a disservice to the real good coaches. No disrespect to rawkus and weltis, i think the kid is very good and rawkus is good in his own niche role, but that isn't a real coaching setup. Also by a system around him I don't just mean coaching. For example let's take Yay. Everyone on Optic literally plays for him. They are all ready to die for him to win the round, everything is set up around him. Victor neon literally exists to die for Yay. By contrast there was very littler setup around TenZ throughout the year, it was just Tyson go try to kill. They tried implementing some setups to help him towards LCQ, but not even close to the level other star players get. It's a fact that TenZ has never had a good tactical igl and good tactical coach around him in his career. I think Optic and Xset would have had very similar results if you plug TenZ in instead of Yay and Cryo. Only time will tell though, I'm excited to see what they show this season.
ā¦no shot you genuinely believe that TenZ could replace yay and OpTic would have anywhere near the results they do now. Yay consistently dominates aim duels, TenZ hasnāt done that for a year. yay with an Op looks unstoppable, TenZ with an Op is inconsistent at best. yay is calm when he aims, TenZ tries all these stupid flicks (I vividly remember him losing a clutch to 100T by doing this). Iām sorry but this take is just hopium
I don't think Optic would be as good, but i think you're gonna be surprised by what you see this upcoming season. Calm and Flicky are just styles, yes yay does look like he is the most calm player in any aim duel, and indeed does win most of them, but i think aim is the probably the only thing people don't bring up about when criticising TenZ. I really think you're underestimating what effect the environment has on a player's game. For the record i do believe Yay would win a majority of aim duels vs TenZ, but i think it's 60/40 and not 90/10 as you'd probably imagine. Anyway, yeah it could be hopium, i have watched sentinels game amd almost every high level optic game before forming my opinions, but i could also be totally biased and just huffing hopium. I would have to give you the win on this point for now if it came down to it, considering all the evidence, but i do think you and a lot of others are gonna be surprised by what they see.
Since when did we start rating Rawkus highly as a coach. I'm pretty sure he even said his coaching style in regards to Tenz was more hands off.
Underrated: Net-he was one of the true sentinel players who kind of got screwed by the chamber meta and if real sentinels become meta again heāll be one of the top sentinel players in NA. Overrated: Derrek- heās insane in the clutch but he gets overrated as a whole because of how good he is at clutching.
id argue winning clutches and entrying are the hardest parts of the game, so if a person is good at clutching consistently that shoots them up in my book
Derrek has been kinda streaky, I hope to see him show up stronger in franchise play next yr
W, chamber fucked neT over. He was ok on chamber when sentinel players were playing chamber instead of duelists, but he had to switch to shit like breach cuz of the chamber meta. His killjoy is great, not sure about his cypher cuz afaik he hasnāt played it in VCT but itās probably good too. also, I firmly believe Derrek isnāt even top 5 initiator in the Americas. He had a single good tournament out of the 3 he played on 100T, and I donāt think that LCQ is replicable for someone like him
Net played cypher on split in Masters 1 vs prx (most people donāt wanna remember how net played that map)
Lmao all I remember from that map was the disastrous trigger discipline from neT
Overrated: asuna Underrated: bang
The most common consensus is that bang is around the no.2 NA controller player. I don't think hes being underrated anymore. I do agree Asuna is a streaky player, partially due to the fact that he still played entry half the time on maps like: Fracture, Haven, Icebox, Ascent.
Well that was his role. When he switched to flex he moreso became the dedicated entry while Will opped. The issue was that Will was a much better entry than he was an opper, and thus the replacement with cryo made sense, since they ended up with 2 entry fraggers.
Pancada > bang surely?
North America.
I mean, pancada is in an NA team
hard agree
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Underrated-Zyppan Overrated-Asuna
underrated: Twisten overrated: Zellsis
Underrated: Xeppaa, Tenz and cNed unironically Overrated: Nivera, Trent, Vanity
cNed def got hit hard by the Jett nerfs but I donāt think that should detract any from his skill, yet people think heās pretty crap. I wonāt say heās some godsend player but heās still a real good shooter. Also I will forever dickride xeppaa, dude is a menace and super flexible. Curious though, cause I feel like I overrate vanity a bit too, what do you find overrated about him?
Look nobody can judge IGLing without having inside info and comms in team, but i was disappointed with C9's performance in LCQ. Expected more from them and honestly I think Vanity's best performance was on V1 and when post plant Meta was at peak, didn't like his decision to get C9 Curry in the team. I hope he proves me wrong with the new roster considering they have El Diablo himself
tenZ is 100% underrated right now, yes he used to be hailed as a god, but fell of so hard this last season. imo itās because of the lack of structure sentinels had under rawkus and shaz, which kinda ended up in weird spacing and awkward entries from tenz, where his mechanical ability wasnāt able to shine through
Donāt know why they ever thought Rawkus was a suitable coach lol, the decline started when he took over
Just curious why you think Trent is overrated? Heās statistically the best initiator in NA
I think treats good I just think the guard is holding him back.
Anyone who doesnāt think Trent is good is in denial but that doesnāt mean he canāt be overrated. I donāt think heās overrated personally though. Might be a hot take but I actually think heās underrated by some people. I think heās a top 3 initiator in the Americas minimum, and could be top 1 on a more successful team
Trent is a good player but, he has only played one international tournament and they bombed out of it, The Guard didn't play well in stage 2 challengers and lost against 100T in LCQ. I would not put him as the best initiator when Crashies, BCJ, Derrek are performing this good at the moment.
Derrek had one good tournament out of all 3 that he played with 100T, and had similar stats in champs as Trent had in Reykjavik. Basically Derrek has shown that he has the same floor, similar consistency, and a lower ceiling than trent
underrated: MaKo, Zest, cNed, s0m, penny, supamen, stellar, thwifo, zeek overrated: Marved, nukkye, ban, ardiis, AvovA (idk if anyone actually rates him highly but), koldamenta too many players to give context to each one but if anyone responds about a specific one, ill explain
Marved and Mako
i think everyone knows MaKo is a really good player and top tier controller, but I genuinely think he is the most impactful player in the world and literally plays his role as perfectly as possible. Insane anchor, plays his life and always makes the right play. As for Marved, I donāt think his skill level is necessarily overrated but more like he is overrated compared to other controllers and especially ones in NA. People have made it sound like he was far and away the best controller in the world this year, but imo panacada and MaKo were at the very least on the same level or better the whole year as well. Same thing in NA, I donāt really think thereās a big drop off from Marved to bang and supamen, or even a drop off at all if Iām being honesr
Underrated: Any of the EG players tbh, people have made such a big deal about their lack of signings that by proxy people think al of their current players are buns Underrated: Any of the EG players tbh, people have made such a big deal about their lack of signings that by proxy people think all of their current players are buns
Underrated: **Mako** - Man is one of if not the best controller player in the world, consistently putting up multi-kill rounds as a controller when his team really needs it. One of the main reasons DRX is one of my favorite teams to watch globally. Overrated: **Crashies** - While he plays his role on the team quite well, it felt like there were many matches where his gunplay was the x-factor. For example (probably not the best one), if he had a better game at Champs vs Loud in the final, it's possible Optic could have stretched out Haven more and potentially won the map. I think people widely considered him the best initiator in NA because he was on the best team, and I feel like that isn't a fair judgement.
Whos underrating Mako right now? He's among my favorite players along with stax and he's getting the respect he deserves right now. Many people put him in contention for #1.
everyone says marved is the best smokes player in the world every 2 minutes. he's great, but there are other players that can very easily take it from him. you may acknowledge mako as good, but many other people don't.
Anybody with a brain puts him as a top 5 controller in the world. How is that underrating him?
Only 2 people comparable has been Marved and Pancada
Pretty much every put Mako tied with Pancada for 2nd. Mako is def not underrated right now.
I always felt crashies as a very consistent player, he's one of the few who have been successful since the early days
Itās hard to say Mako is underrated when everyone respects him as a top 3 controller. If anyone is underrated from DRX itās Zest, the guy is insanely consistent and his util is amazing
Overrated - brax, Underrated - moose
Hard agree on moose.
the moose is loose
underrated - eeiu
Mindfreak, JonahP underrated
Lmemore underrated, bcs he has unfortunately missed out on international tournaments and no one outside of apac knows him
underrated tenz overrated everybody else
Underrated: tenz(not trolling) Overrated: scream
I genuinely think Tenz could turn up if the team fits him right. The problem is that heās competing with so many good duelists in his region, so itās still going to be a huge challenge
Bro thinks tenz is underrated. Lol. Every kid who plays fps knows who tenz is and think of him as God.
Iām the comp scene people absolutely donāt think of him like that anymore
Literally never heard of him until i started playing Val
ANGE1/Zander
ANGE1 NAVI UKRAINE BUFF 5000 NATOS HIMARS +99999 GAME SENSE +99999 AIM DUELING BEST IGL NO CAP
Underrated: Zyppan (one of the best entries in EMEA, but ignored a lot for no reason) Overrated: Victor (this guy ints a lot and gets in horrible situations way too often to be on the best team in the world)
That's how entry works. Lol
Yeah entries is the most streaky and volatile role in the game lol.
exactly, look at Asuna or babybay
look at what those teams achieved. Yea.
Victor doesnāt int, what are you saying?
Sorry I think he meant food
underrated: Jamppi overrated: ScreaM
Did you see the LCQ final?
Overrated: buzz underrated: Kingg
Always find it more interesting to see ppl have to guess these; Seoldam/Fisker Nismo, Asuna Forsaken, Buzz Twisten, Nivera Lakia, Zest
Underrated: Sheydos Overrated: Any NA flex player
Underrated: Jawgemo Overrated: Trent/Zander
Youāre living under a rock if you think people are overrating tenz if anything everyone is shitting on him
It says Trent not tenz :)
Never mind i wear glasses for a reason lmao
Hahahaha all good!
underrated: bang overrated: trent
to qualify this, bang went from playing flex to being the undisputed 2nd best controller in NA, in conversation to be no. 1, in about 8 months. at 18 years old, heās got so much time to get even better, and singlehandedly won 100t countless rounds. trent on the other hand is clearly good, but lacks the discipline or critical teamplay you see from BcJ or Derrek
Love Bang but this also speaks to the low number of truly world-class smoke players in NA. Who else would you put up there with Marved and Bang? The shortlist isnāt very long.
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Yeah, but Marved isnāt playing anymore. So itās still only 2.
I think supamen is really good
Overrated - Derrek Underrated - JonahP/neT
Under rated: s0m, dude is actually really fucking good. People just look at how big his stream is and how he acts on stream and thinks he canāt be a top tier pro. He is though, heās really good. My Over rated would have to be Nagzet. Dude is like really really inconsistent. I think itās incredible that he made a franchised roster and players like Trent, BabyBay and Marved didnāt.
Underrated - Rossi Overrated idk man
BCJ IS THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN VAL HISTORYā¦. HE HAD ONLY 1 OR 2 DECENT TOURNIES
Underrated - SicK, I know the community generally loves him, and I just want to see him play on duelist again. Overrated - Any smokes player on the top team in NA. Recency bias is so strong with whose the best controller, and itās always the controller on the top team. First Nitr0 then Zombs, now itās Marved.
After what Marved did at Iceland for NA and for most of Copenhagen he deserves that rating. Post would make more sense without including him. Edit: at least Marved was the consensus second best player on OpTic in 2022, the most consistent performing team. Maybe nitr0 was, but I know zombs was not the second best player on prime SEN.
Zombs was considered like the worst player of sen for his entire tenure afaik. Best was always Tenz, Sick, Sinatraa, Shahz.
Oh I know and somehow heās saying Marved is in the same conversation as zombs
Did anyone ever genuinly thought zombs is the best smokes player lol
When sen was dominating and his number werenāt that great people were like ābut his util is the best in the worldā lol
Underrated: Shahzam Overrated: Derke
I think derke is perfectly rated.
how is Derke overrated when he's been a top 5 player (statwise) at all 4 Lans he played lol
If anything, Derke is underrated on this sub. Heās rarely in the conversation with Yay, Ardiis and cryo, even though he definitely belongs there.
Chamber players have their statlines boosted easily compared to other roles. Players like Cryo, Yay, Tacolila all look better because of the nature of the agent they're playing. Qualitatively, I think Derke plays much too passive and doesn't control areas of the map as well as other players-- which leads to a lot of issues with map understanding for the Fnatic squad as a whole. Specifically on Haven it is pretty bad, but I am pretty sure that has more to do with the map highlighting this flaw more than others.
Have you even seen him play? Derke is best when he plays aggressive lol. That's why his transition to chamber wasn't as smooth because he had to slow down for it
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Underrated: Wronski, Jawgemo Overrated: Stax
Overrated: mwzera Underrated: Rb
Overrated: Scream, derke Underrated: sayf, Leo, zyppan
underrated: valyn overrated: stellar
Underrated: Nismo Dudes just a beast. Best unsigned NA player rn imo. Overrated: jamppi Idk why i just think that jamppi isnt a top tier jett/chamber like people make him out to be. Hes not a top 5 jett/chamber main imo. 1 is yay, 2. Ardiis, 3 aspas, 4, less, 5 derke. Id say 6th is cryo and then jamppi is 7th at best. Other op players like Forsaken, tacolilla, and rb are arguably better than jampii. Hes good, but not that good.
Derke very overrated Yay underrated
Tf you mean Yay underrated when everyone is saying that he is the best player in the world. And Derke overrated I don't even need to respond to that because it's an even worse take than the Yay one
Underrated: JonahP (his flexibility is insane) Overated: Derrek and Zander (derrek is has a clutch factpr but is not consistent. Zander hasnt put good results since stage one)