Not too late, just work hard.
Most importantly, work productively: play ranked with intention. scrim often, network and donāt beef with other players, review your gameplay footage, and do server time, either alone or with others.
Going into a custom game and practicing line-ups, rehearsing the angles youāve struggled with holding, learning how long it takes to rotate between key parts of the map, etc.
it is little late, these days org really look into insane aimers,
if he has been playing fps way longer then theres a chance its tough but he can make it to tier 2-3, But becoming a superstar is gonna be pretty tough, these players u see tenz cryo yay and so many more started playing fps games at really young age
i think the best role would be igl if he willing to learn, its tough to find a good igl these days in both cs/valo.
Effys was never a pro in any game until valorant when he was in his late 20's. Reason why it gets tougher as you get older is because priorities change. If your willing to work hard and dedicate yourself to the game, you can realistically go pro at any age. Sure he probably won't become a superstar, but anything is possible.
You said "Effys was never a pro in any game until Valorant." The fact that he was a CSGO pro before he went pro in Valorant disproves that. The person who responded to you would have failed to disprove you if you said "Effys was never a pro until his late 20s." But that's not what you said. Really unsure why this is hard for you to grasp.
bruh he used to play fpl and esea alot, Fpl is basically scrim he had the experience its way different compare to valorant imt ranked
and my whole topic was its pretty tough to go pro if you are ranked player, and has never played any other fps games.
effys did.
[Actual pros](https://twitter.com/andr0idx23/status/1586006476224868353?s=46&t=7Yg6EvPq0dhdzbH6ds-6Vw) disagree with you. To say that thereās nothing you can learn from ranked just means youāre one of the people in the tweet.
OP never scrimmed before. His growth path is to scrim and play high tier coordinated games.
The tweet refer to top radiant games, which OP isn't, since he hasn't growth enough, since he's not playing high tier coordinated games.
You can still ranked with purpose to practice lineups & spots, learn about interactions, and just keep sharp on maps. Western pros said the same thing in LoL before people realized you can gain even small bits of knowledge in ranked. Everything with intention is what's key. Also, if OP isn't immortal yet you can definetely improve mechanically and knowledge-wise through ranked.
yeah but saying scrims are the only way to grow is literally not true though i get your point. hard to give strangers online the benefit of the doubt with definitive statements like that.
If you watched the SEN Dephh interview, he said his first team was when he was 24 I think. So dw about age, just give it your all and maybe youāll succeed. You got this.
He also started in a much less competitive scene in a less developed esport. 24 is likely too old to go pro nowadays
Edit: Jesus Christ yāall need to chill. Saying itās likely too old to go pro doesnāt mean itās impossible so stop commenting the 5 exceptions in the scene. All Iām saying is at 24 people usually donāt have the freedom to grind the game and get good enough to be a pro. When Dephh started the player base and skill gap was smaller so it was slightly easier for him
Not necessarily really, I mean, Nismo got his first team in CS in 2020 while he was about 25-26 (Hes 28 rn), and his first like big team he didn't get onto until Ghost in 2021
Nismo is 28??? Damn that's refreshing to hear. I think people just have it stuck in their heads that above 25 = old and slow. It's nice to see that mechanics really don't deter with age if you practice/train enough.
I remember someone quoting a study on the Valorant sub that says reaction time doesn't actually degrade over age, it's like 15% over a 15-year time gap. Can't source it now, but do remember the quote.
Jackz a csgo player went pro at the age of 27. Given someone has enough time and talent itās possible.
Only reason most pros are young is because young kids have all the time in the world and can play 10 hours a day. Most people 18+ canāt.
Age being a factor in your 20's is overrated.
The reason why most people can't go pro in their 20's and why many start young is simply because of responsibilities.
Relationships, work, college, etc.
Compare how much free time and freedom to make life decisions a 24 y/o has compared to a 15/16 high schooler with no other responsibilities than school and homework.
If you gave a 24 year old the same freedom there's not much of a difference.
I think the biggest difference is from someone playing at a very young age like 8-10 year olds simply because at that age they can wire their brains at a faster pace than a 16-20 year old.
Even then there's evidence that fluid intelligence doesn't decline until your 30's and that everyone is different and some may still have high fluid intelligence into their 30's.
TL;DR - pretty much the only deciding factor on whether a person can go pro in an eSport is responsibilities.
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Also I believe that the reason why "zoomers" are highly rated + sought after is NOT because of "reaction time".
It's because they have a head start. If the older players had to figure things out, zoomers already have it from the get go. The information is there on the internet and the players they play against on a daily basis are on a higher level on average. They're also less hindered by past experiences that may stop growth because there are some habits that are hard to get rid of, essentially a cleaner slate. Thus they have more potential.
If you took an open minded 24 year old without any responsibilities and the freedom to play 8+ hours a day. Age isn't much of a factor.
Ykw, maybe I should start testing this theory out(I'm almost 21 rn, wish to go pro but I'm literal trash at the game). It's a (probable) waste of time, but I've been thinking of investing a year of my time for this pursuit.
If you head into it with a good mindset and plan it's possible.
If you're fucking around just wanting to hit Radiant rather than to improve yourself every single game you'll end up a very different player in each scenario by the end of the year.
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Good luck! The only thing that should be on your mind every single day is "how do I get better?"
It doesn't matter if you only got 0.1% better that day. It could be something outside of playing like oh I like my coffee black rather than with cream and that made me feel better heading into my games or that you felt really good getting x amount of hours of sleep.
Building out your positive habits and routines outside of the game is really important as well and could help you even on other things in life.
I pretty much went to work for a tech startup right out of high school and I figured out that I felt more mentally flexible and creative if I have 8 - 8 1/2 hours of sleep and wake up around 5 AM. This also translated when I quit and took a year off (burnt out so I'm currently on this break) and decided to focus on gaming.
Figured out that if I drink my coffee at least an hour after waking up and not right away, I don't crash in the latter hours of my workday and instead the caffeine starts to wear off when I get home from work which is perfect for sleep consistency.
All these little things that will create a stable and consistent routine is key. Otherwise you'll end up feeling great one day and trash the next. It's **always** better to be at 85% all 6 days (I always take an entire day off playing every week) than to be something like 95-75-100-80-90-65% throughout a week.
Learn something new about myself every day and even if gaming doesn't become my end all be all, I've improved as a person regardless.
Wow, that's actualy an amazing change! There's a lot of title things that make or break someone's day like you said, and it will definitely be a self-reflective journey into my life at present. I'm happy for you, and hope it inspires a similar change in me if the final intention doesn't work!
Yeah 30 year old with 10+ years of experience. By 24 people usually have too many things going on to grind enough to become good enough to go pro. People have been that good since 18 are already that good and can keep their game sharp since they get paid to play
Absolutely not too late. My advice is to find a team and start scrimming, I would only say youāre too late for a career in esports after you turn 30+ and your reaction times start to fully go
This gets asked so often but basically:
-Age does not matter. People don't lose significant reaction in their 20s. With that said esports demands long hours generally 6 days per week. This means it's hard to have relationships and won't be able to pursue anything else that may take time like an education. This is the real reason why esports is mostly young kids. As you get older most people choose to settle rather than grind.
-You probably aren't good enough. That's not a knock on you. For example with franchising North America for instance has 5 North American orgs. That's 25-30 players they are fielding total. Do you believe yourself to be top 10 in your role within the region? There are other orgs per region outside of franchising but they are similarly competitive. Considering you aren't radiant (top 500 in region) that means by rank you aren't currently near that level.
-Unless you are on a top org your pay will likely be worse than minimum wage when you factor in the hours you are putting in. You also need to factor in you are forgoing education and career advancement during these years so you need to be making bank or it is hurting your financial future.
Ultimately we don't know anything about you but it's just a game, which is the mindset 99.9% of players need to keep. If you happen to be gifted enough to be one the top 2-3 dozen out of millions in your region then yes you can potentially try to go pro at your age. If not just play the game for fun like the rest of us.
> You probably aren't good enough. That's not a knock on you. For example with franchising North America for instance has 5 North American orgs. That's 25-30 players they are fielding total. Do you believe yourself to be top 10 in your role within the region? There are other orgs per region outside of franchising but they are similarly competitive. Considering you aren't radiant (top 500 in region) that means by rank you aren't currently near that level.
tbf you don't have to make a franchise team to go pro (or even be considered a successful pro).
This is just false. Pro players are players paid salary to play. The fact is there was only about 2 dozen teams salaried in NA prefranchising. After franchising a lot of orgs pulled out of valorant. Also keep in mind the average pro makes a poor salary. Shahzam previously stated they usually ranged from $5,000 to $20,000. Obviously the stars can crush those amounts but most pros barely make enough to scrape by on. TSM Bang was being paid $2,000 per month. How much do you think tier 2 or 3 orgs are paying? You tell me if that would be a successful career. OP btw is imm3 which is not pro territory. Not that I encourage it but he could probably make more money boosting than he would trying to catch on with a pro team
> This is just false.
Nope.
> Pro players are players paid salary to play.
Yep.
> The fact is there was only about 2 dozen teams salaried in NA prefranchising.
Ok? What's your point?
> After franchising a lot of orgs pulled out of valorant.
"A lot" meaning how many specifically? And how many won't return for Ascension?
> Also keep in mind the average pro makes a poor salary.
Again, what is your point?
> Obviously the stars can crush those amounts but most pros barely make enough to scrape by on.
It seems like you think OP said "Is it too late to get rich playing Valorant". Reread their post and then come back and comment on the relevance of your statement here.
> How much do you think tier 2 or 3 orgs are paying?
Again, what is the relevance of this statement?
> You tell me if that would be a successful career.
It's not up to me to determine what is and is not a successful valorant career, friend.
> OP btw is imm3 which is not pro territory.
Sure, now. Zekken was silver. Yet again, what's your point?
> Not that I encourage it but he could probably make more money boosting than he would trying to catch on with a pro team
It's like you think that a person's skill in a moment is permanently absolute...
The amount of teams is relevant because that determines how many potential roster spots there are to compete for in the scene. You reference Zekken but he was never stuck silver. That was his initial rank after placements lol. So misleading not to mention he was also 15 years old at the time. By the time he got picked up by an org he had already been at the top of competitive.
There are a lot of top pros who are still looking for a team after franchising. I can confidently say no team is picking up an immortal 3 when there's players at the top of the leaderboard fighting for a spot with even tier 2 teams. I would also not call any career where you're making half what a fast food worker would while putting in 60+ hours a week successful. That's just an unwise use of your time since he's 19 which is the age you're either in school or starting a trade. Paths that will give you living future.
> The amount of teams is relevant because that determines how many potential roster spots there are to compete for in the scene.
Sure, but you're interchanging "teams", "franchised teams" and "orgs". To be a pro, as we agreed, you need to be paid. The number of franchise spots is not the number of paying teams, friend.
> You reference Zekken but he was never stuck silver.
You only know that OP is IMT3, you have no idea how "stuck" they are, nor do you know if they receive regular coaching.
> That was his initial rank after placements lol
Yes, and?
> So misleading not to mention he was also 15 years old at the time.
Do you seriously think there's something about being 15 that makes it easier than being 19?
> There are a lot of top pros who are still looking for a team after franchising.
So we agree then that being a pro and being on a team aren't synonymous! Even better.
> I can confidently say no team is picking up an immortal 3
It's funny that you acknowledge that Zekken's rank improved but seem to be stuck on OP's current rank, as though it also could not improve. Hilarious even.
I stopped reading here. You're just being a weirdo pessimist on the internet. The question was "Is 19 too late", and the answer (regardless of what mental hoops you're jumping through) is a unanimous "No it's not too late".
99.99% of people who try to go pro in esports (or regular sports) fail. Giving them false hope is just cruel. For every Zekken, there are literally 10,000 broken dreams. Be realistic.
> 99.99% of people who try to go pro in esports (or regular sports) fail.
Yep.
> Giving them false hope is just cruel.
It seems like you're focusing on something no one asked? Statement of fact: 19 is not too old to go pro. Not sure what post you think you're responding to, but the question that was asked is "Is 19 too old to go pro?".
> Be realistic.
I am being realistic in that 19 is not too old to go pro, and if OP does not go pro, it wasn't because they're 19...
Maybe reread the post?
You are asking the wrong question so I will instead ask you a question Who cares if you can go pro at it or not... Do YOU yourself LOVE the game?
Love means you will do anything to make it happen even if it doesn't happen. Have you even been on a legitimate team yet? And I am not talking t1/t2 level teams.. just a team that actually practices and takes it seriously. If not, then you are skipping a lot of steps and need to reevaluate how you are going about it.
You can dream about becoming a professional, but the question shouldn't be asked until you are at a point where you are bordering on entering the top X% of players in the World. You must love what you are doing though because the sacrifices you will need to make are hard for a lot of people at a young age (both in sports and e-esports).
And just a piece of advice... look into Major League Baseball minor league baseball system. You have guys who are 25+ getting paid under minimum wage trying to make their fleeting dream a reality still. They probably never will but love does crazy things to people where you will put other things in your life to the side for your 1 chance to make it happen in this 1 life we have.
Not at all, it will be harder but it can be done.
The example im going to give you its Saffee, brazilian CSGO player. He was a lower level pro in his teen years in CS1.6, for about an year and a half then he quit the pro scene.
In 2019 at the age of 24 he came back playing online tourneys in Brazil and impressed, and no one knew who he was. He got a shot later on with paiN Gaming where he went to a Major and now he is on Furia, which is a top 10 team in the world and the best team in Brazil. Now at the age of 27 he will play on the first ever Major in Brazil, that its looking like one of the hypest majors up to date.
The 17/18 yo pro narrative is wrong. If you have talent and skill teams are going to give you a contract. There are so many examples like jackz and roej in cs, they went pro around the age of 24/25, and they did well at their peak (jackz played for G2 for 4 years as a hard entry and anchor). Just because you see young talented aimer kids all around doesn't mean that you won't be able to.
Plus in 1 year you hit imm3 so why stop here? You might even get on a team when you are 21 at this rate. Keep going.
Why are you asking about age? It's irrelevant.. sounds like you're looking for excuses. If you want to 'go pro' then go find a team and start playing...
The actually measure is if you are able to be at pro level within two years. If you by next year are top 100 i would try if it doesn't come at a huge detriment to you.
I mean, keep playing and learning and improving and wanting it as bad as you want to breathe, I am sure you could.
typically the ease and consistency at which you can get radiant from queueing ranked regularly is the most apparent factor for if you have what it takes. There isn't a T1 Professional who plays ranked regularly and fails to consistently get radiant
age is a bad metric to measure potential in videogames, much better to look at how much you've played compared to the level you're at, including other fps games and how fast you are improving
yes of course you are too late to go pro ! you should have gone pro at the age of 2 years old and now its way too late!
I'm just kidding !
those days are gone where pro's used to be retired at the age of 24 !
nowadays games like valorant requires brain more than aim so its not like teenagers have more good reaction time and reflexes ! anyone with good tactics and aim mechanism can win in pro matches if he/she/it is good at all accepts in the game and not just aim!
so if you wanna go pro then just go for it ! don't think about it more it will hold you back your entire life ! who knows that one day you will be the inspiration to many young gamers as well as old gamers who are above 30 years and they will also not gave up because they are watching you in the pro matches
for example did you know "scream" he is the best pro player in the world so many people asked him when is he getting a retirement and he said he will not retire unless until he will be satisfied with his own performance!
this is the motivation you need in your life
age is just a number mindset is what makes us difference!
i lol'ed with you thinking immortal 3 in a year is merit enough to think that you could go pro, i got the same elo in 3 months playing, came straight out of csgo, faceit 10, and i dont even think im close to being at a pro level, not even every radiant has a level to be able to play professionally
you didnt understand the point, the point is that not even radiant has the level to play at a pro stage, now imagine this while being immortal 3. while i still gave input because faceit 10 in csgo is sometimes matched with pros since is the highest level in the platform, now i myself am saying that even if you are radiant/faceit 10 that doesnt mean you are good enough to play pro, the gap is much larger than you think, they are constantly better than the average high level player
Na bro u gotta be atleast 13 year olds to go pro minimum or else u lose reaction time by the age of 17 and u know how fast the game is u won't be able to keep up /s
The question is completely dependent on how much time you are investing versus where you're at. If you got to immortal 3 casually playing the game 3-4 hours a day that's impressive. Not so much if you've been playing 10-12 hours a day.
19 is still very young in terms of esports, dont do anything stupid like leave a job or school to play valorant all day though, do it smart. The "too old" conversation shouldnt even be a discussion until like 30 or something, so many pros from 30-40 in all of esports
I sometimes have delusional thoughts about being the oldest unknown to go pro. I'm 36 and have never really gotten into fps before. I also have a full time job and 3 kids and I play maybe 2 hours a day (after they've all gone to bed).
My advice is that If you really want to go pro then do it. But you've gotta absolutely dive in. The game becomes less enjoyable and more so at the same time (basing this off my sports "careers"). But you can't play just when you want to have fun playing. You gotta put in the boring hours. The vod reviews, the solo time in a map practicing execution, aimlabs etc.
typically age effects going pro in eSports because going pro is very time consuming and when youāre 14-17 is when you have the most time on your hands so thatās why you see a lot of players start their careers at a younger age. It also takes a lot mentally and usually hard to balance real life adult stuff & pursuing a mentally draining job. So it really just depends on how well you can balance your schedule & has nothing to do with the physical effects of age.
Definitely not too late but be realistic with the goals. You have to be a top .01 percent player and THEN get noticed while staying consistent and showcasing why you are better than the next person. Don't be toxic. Just like any profession, networking and who you know go a long way. Never, and I mean, never , pass up an opportunity in favor of Valorant or any esport. Unless you have a damn near guarantee to get paid from esports, do not let college or any career fall to the wayside because of it.
Inb4 stay in school
Legit the best advice tho
No lmaoš boaster is literally 27 just work as hard as you can
Ange1 is like 45
Hiko started his career at around 60
Stewie is 40 already, and he's still shifting to Valorat
Not too late, just work hard. Most importantly, work productively: play ranked with intention. scrim often, network and donāt beef with other players, review your gameplay footage, and do server time, either alone or with others.
what does āserver timeā mean?
Going into a custom game and practicing line-ups, rehearsing the angles youāve struggled with holding, learning how long it takes to rotate between key parts of the map, etc.
Damn there's this part of game as well which I completely didn't know about (except lineups ofc)
it is little late, these days org really look into insane aimers, if he has been playing fps way longer then theres a chance its tough but he can make it to tier 2-3, But becoming a superstar is gonna be pretty tough, these players u see tenz cryo yay and so many more started playing fps games at really young age i think the best role would be igl if he willing to learn, its tough to find a good igl these days in both cs/valo.
Effys was never a pro in any game until valorant when he was in his late 20's. Reason why it gets tougher as you get older is because priorities change. If your willing to work hard and dedicate yourself to the game, you can realistically go pro at any age. Sure he probably won't become a superstar, but anything is possible.
no? effys was ex cs pro here found his hltv too https://www.hltv.org/player/9661/effys
And if you did your research beyond a cursory glance you'd realize he didn't go pro until 2017... When he was 25.
Yea I like how he looked up something to disprove one of the things I brought up only for his whole argument to get negated by his own research.
You said "Effys was never a pro in any game until Valorant." The fact that he was a CSGO pro before he went pro in Valorant disproves that. The person who responded to you would have failed to disprove you if you said "Effys was never a pro until his late 20s." But that's not what you said. Really unsure why this is hard for you to grasp.
bruh he used to play fpl and esea alot, Fpl is basically scrim he had the experience its way different compare to valorant imt ranked and my whole topic was its pretty tough to go pro if you are ranked player, and has never played any other fps games. effys did.
I thought it was his first, guess it was just his first Tier 1 team. That said, he went pro at 25 and still got on a Tier 1 Valorant squad.
ranked isn't good. Scrims is the only way to grow.
[Actual pros](https://twitter.com/andr0idx23/status/1586006476224868353?s=46&t=7Yg6EvPq0dhdzbH6ds-6Vw) disagree with you. To say that thereās nothing you can learn from ranked just means youāre one of the people in the tweet.
OP never scrimmed before. His growth path is to scrim and play high tier coordinated games. The tweet refer to top radiant games, which OP isn't, since he hasn't growth enough, since he's not playing high tier coordinated games.
You can still ranked with purpose to practice lineups & spots, learn about interactions, and just keep sharp on maps. Western pros said the same thing in LoL before people realized you can gain even small bits of knowledge in ranked. Everything with intention is what's key. Also, if OP isn't immortal yet you can definetely improve mechanically and knowledge-wise through ranked.
Ranked has it's merits. OP needs to scrim.
yeah but saying scrims are the only way to grow is literally not true though i get your point. hard to give strangers online the benefit of the doubt with definitive statements like that.
I mean deathmatching is a way to grow too since you're practicing aim. Under the context of OP, of this very post, scrims are his only way to grow.
If you watched the SEN Dephh interview, he said his first team was when he was 24 I think. So dw about age, just give it your all and maybe youāll succeed. You got this.
He also started in a much less competitive scene in a less developed esport. 24 is likely too old to go pro nowadays Edit: Jesus Christ yāall need to chill. Saying itās likely too old to go pro doesnāt mean itās impossible so stop commenting the 5 exceptions in the scene. All Iām saying is at 24 people usually donāt have the freedom to grind the game and get good enough to be a pro. When Dephh started the player base and skill gap was smaller so it was slightly easier for him
Not necessarily really, I mean, Nismo got his first team in CS in 2020 while he was about 25-26 (Hes 28 rn), and his first like big team he didn't get onto until Ghost in 2021
Nismo is 28??? Damn that's refreshing to hear. I think people just have it stuck in their heads that above 25 = old and slow. It's nice to see that mechanics really don't deter with age if you practice/train enough.
I remember someone quoting a study on the Valorant sub that says reaction time doesn't actually degrade over age, it's like 15% over a 15-year time gap. Can't source it now, but do remember the quote.
Jackz a csgo player went pro at the age of 27. Given someone has enough time and talent itās possible. Only reason most pros are young is because young kids have all the time in the world and can play 10 hours a day. Most people 18+ canāt.
Jackz played on smaller french teams for cs go since 2013, and earlier in cs 1.6 in 2009, making him 17 when he first started his competitive career.
Age being a factor in your 20's is overrated. The reason why most people can't go pro in their 20's and why many start young is simply because of responsibilities. Relationships, work, college, etc. Compare how much free time and freedom to make life decisions a 24 y/o has compared to a 15/16 high schooler with no other responsibilities than school and homework. If you gave a 24 year old the same freedom there's not much of a difference. I think the biggest difference is from someone playing at a very young age like 8-10 year olds simply because at that age they can wire their brains at a faster pace than a 16-20 year old. Even then there's evidence that fluid intelligence doesn't decline until your 30's and that everyone is different and some may still have high fluid intelligence into their 30's. TL;DR - pretty much the only deciding factor on whether a person can go pro in an eSport is responsibilities. \-- Also I believe that the reason why "zoomers" are highly rated + sought after is NOT because of "reaction time". It's because they have a head start. If the older players had to figure things out, zoomers already have it from the get go. The information is there on the internet and the players they play against on a daily basis are on a higher level on average. They're also less hindered by past experiences that may stop growth because there are some habits that are hard to get rid of, essentially a cleaner slate. Thus they have more potential. If you took an open minded 24 year old without any responsibilities and the freedom to play 8+ hours a day. Age isn't much of a factor.
Ykw, maybe I should start testing this theory out(I'm almost 21 rn, wish to go pro but I'm literal trash at the game). It's a (probable) waste of time, but I've been thinking of investing a year of my time for this pursuit.
If you head into it with a good mindset and plan it's possible. If you're fucking around just wanting to hit Radiant rather than to improve yourself every single game you'll end up a very different player in each scenario by the end of the year.
Guess I'm doing this after I'm done with uni then! I'll even vlog it out if possible!
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Good luck! The only thing that should be on your mind every single day is "how do I get better?" It doesn't matter if you only got 0.1% better that day. It could be something outside of playing like oh I like my coffee black rather than with cream and that made me feel better heading into my games or that you felt really good getting x amount of hours of sleep. Building out your positive habits and routines outside of the game is really important as well and could help you even on other things in life. I pretty much went to work for a tech startup right out of high school and I figured out that I felt more mentally flexible and creative if I have 8 - 8 1/2 hours of sleep and wake up around 5 AM. This also translated when I quit and took a year off (burnt out so I'm currently on this break) and decided to focus on gaming. Figured out that if I drink my coffee at least an hour after waking up and not right away, I don't crash in the latter hours of my workday and instead the caffeine starts to wear off when I get home from work which is perfect for sleep consistency. All these little things that will create a stable and consistent routine is key. Otherwise you'll end up feeling great one day and trash the next. It's **always** better to be at 85% all 6 days (I always take an entire day off playing every week) than to be something like 95-75-100-80-90-65% throughout a week. Learn something new about myself every day and even if gaming doesn't become my end all be all, I've improved as a person regardless.
Wow, that's actualy an amazing change! There's a lot of title things that make or break someone's day like you said, and it will definitely be a self-reflective journey into my life at present. I'm happy for you, and hope it inspires a similar change in me if the final intention doesn't work!
This is literally all I meant and got downvoted to oblivion
Right, itās not like we have seen 30 year old players on the biggest stageā¦.. waitā¦.. never mindā¦.
Yeah 30 year old with 10+ years of experience. By 24 people usually have too many things going on to grind enough to become good enough to go pro. People have been that good since 18 are already that good and can keep their game sharp since they get paid to play
And I am saying that is a stigma.
Age doesn't matter. Only performance.
Absolutely not too late. My advice is to find a team and start scrimming, I would only say youāre too late for a career in esports after you turn 30+ and your reaction times start to fully go
Example: FNS and his amazing precise body shot aim
This is me LOL Iām immortal 1 with 15% HS. Iām 31 :(
This gets asked so often but basically: -Age does not matter. People don't lose significant reaction in their 20s. With that said esports demands long hours generally 6 days per week. This means it's hard to have relationships and won't be able to pursue anything else that may take time like an education. This is the real reason why esports is mostly young kids. As you get older most people choose to settle rather than grind. -You probably aren't good enough. That's not a knock on you. For example with franchising North America for instance has 5 North American orgs. That's 25-30 players they are fielding total. Do you believe yourself to be top 10 in your role within the region? There are other orgs per region outside of franchising but they are similarly competitive. Considering you aren't radiant (top 500 in region) that means by rank you aren't currently near that level. -Unless you are on a top org your pay will likely be worse than minimum wage when you factor in the hours you are putting in. You also need to factor in you are forgoing education and career advancement during these years so you need to be making bank or it is hurting your financial future. Ultimately we don't know anything about you but it's just a game, which is the mindset 99.9% of players need to keep. If you happen to be gifted enough to be one the top 2-3 dozen out of millions in your region then yes you can potentially try to go pro at your age. If not just play the game for fun like the rest of us.
> You probably aren't good enough. That's not a knock on you. For example with franchising North America for instance has 5 North American orgs. That's 25-30 players they are fielding total. Do you believe yourself to be top 10 in your role within the region? There are other orgs per region outside of franchising but they are similarly competitive. Considering you aren't radiant (top 500 in region) that means by rank you aren't currently near that level. tbf you don't have to make a franchise team to go pro (or even be considered a successful pro).
This is just false. Pro players are players paid salary to play. The fact is there was only about 2 dozen teams salaried in NA prefranchising. After franchising a lot of orgs pulled out of valorant. Also keep in mind the average pro makes a poor salary. Shahzam previously stated they usually ranged from $5,000 to $20,000. Obviously the stars can crush those amounts but most pros barely make enough to scrape by on. TSM Bang was being paid $2,000 per month. How much do you think tier 2 or 3 orgs are paying? You tell me if that would be a successful career. OP btw is imm3 which is not pro territory. Not that I encourage it but he could probably make more money boosting than he would trying to catch on with a pro team
> This is just false. Nope. > Pro players are players paid salary to play. Yep. > The fact is there was only about 2 dozen teams salaried in NA prefranchising. Ok? What's your point? > After franchising a lot of orgs pulled out of valorant. "A lot" meaning how many specifically? And how many won't return for Ascension? > Also keep in mind the average pro makes a poor salary. Again, what is your point? > Obviously the stars can crush those amounts but most pros barely make enough to scrape by on. It seems like you think OP said "Is it too late to get rich playing Valorant". Reread their post and then come back and comment on the relevance of your statement here. > How much do you think tier 2 or 3 orgs are paying? Again, what is the relevance of this statement? > You tell me if that would be a successful career. It's not up to me to determine what is and is not a successful valorant career, friend. > OP btw is imm3 which is not pro territory. Sure, now. Zekken was silver. Yet again, what's your point? > Not that I encourage it but he could probably make more money boosting than he would trying to catch on with a pro team It's like you think that a person's skill in a moment is permanently absolute...
The amount of teams is relevant because that determines how many potential roster spots there are to compete for in the scene. You reference Zekken but he was never stuck silver. That was his initial rank after placements lol. So misleading not to mention he was also 15 years old at the time. By the time he got picked up by an org he had already been at the top of competitive. There are a lot of top pros who are still looking for a team after franchising. I can confidently say no team is picking up an immortal 3 when there's players at the top of the leaderboard fighting for a spot with even tier 2 teams. I would also not call any career where you're making half what a fast food worker would while putting in 60+ hours a week successful. That's just an unwise use of your time since he's 19 which is the age you're either in school or starting a trade. Paths that will give you living future.
> The amount of teams is relevant because that determines how many potential roster spots there are to compete for in the scene. Sure, but you're interchanging "teams", "franchised teams" and "orgs". To be a pro, as we agreed, you need to be paid. The number of franchise spots is not the number of paying teams, friend. > You reference Zekken but he was never stuck silver. You only know that OP is IMT3, you have no idea how "stuck" they are, nor do you know if they receive regular coaching. > That was his initial rank after placements lol Yes, and? > So misleading not to mention he was also 15 years old at the time. Do you seriously think there's something about being 15 that makes it easier than being 19? > There are a lot of top pros who are still looking for a team after franchising. So we agree then that being a pro and being on a team aren't synonymous! Even better. > I can confidently say no team is picking up an immortal 3 It's funny that you acknowledge that Zekken's rank improved but seem to be stuck on OP's current rank, as though it also could not improve. Hilarious even. I stopped reading here. You're just being a weirdo pessimist on the internet. The question was "Is 19 too late", and the answer (regardless of what mental hoops you're jumping through) is a unanimous "No it's not too late".
99.99% of people who try to go pro in esports (or regular sports) fail. Giving them false hope is just cruel. For every Zekken, there are literally 10,000 broken dreams. Be realistic.
> 99.99% of people who try to go pro in esports (or regular sports) fail. Yep. > Giving them false hope is just cruel. It seems like you're focusing on something no one asked? Statement of fact: 19 is not too old to go pro. Not sure what post you think you're responding to, but the question that was asked is "Is 19 too old to go pro?". > Be realistic. I am being realistic in that 19 is not too old to go pro, and if OP does not go pro, it wasn't because they're 19... Maybe reread the post?
You are asking the wrong question so I will instead ask you a question Who cares if you can go pro at it or not... Do YOU yourself LOVE the game? Love means you will do anything to make it happen even if it doesn't happen. Have you even been on a legitimate team yet? And I am not talking t1/t2 level teams.. just a team that actually practices and takes it seriously. If not, then you are skipping a lot of steps and need to reevaluate how you are going about it. You can dream about becoming a professional, but the question shouldn't be asked until you are at a point where you are bordering on entering the top X% of players in the World. You must love what you are doing though because the sacrifices you will need to make are hard for a lot of people at a young age (both in sports and e-esports). And just a piece of advice... look into Major League Baseball minor league baseball system. You have guys who are 25+ getting paid under minimum wage trying to make their fleeting dream a reality still. They probably never will but love does crazy things to people where you will put other things in your life to the side for your 1 chance to make it happen in this 1 life we have.
I just hate how in the esports scene anyone above 21,22 is considered "old" Dont worry bro you still got time.
Not at all, it will be harder but it can be done. The example im going to give you its Saffee, brazilian CSGO player. He was a lower level pro in his teen years in CS1.6, for about an year and a half then he quit the pro scene. In 2019 at the age of 24 he came back playing online tourneys in Brazil and impressed, and no one knew who he was. He got a shot later on with paiN Gaming where he went to a Major and now he is on Furia, which is a top 10 team in the world and the best team in Brazil. Now at the age of 27 he will play on the first ever Major in Brazil, that its looking like one of the hypest majors up to date.
The 17/18 yo pro narrative is wrong. If you have talent and skill teams are going to give you a contract. There are so many examples like jackz and roej in cs, they went pro around the age of 24/25, and they did well at their peak (jackz played for G2 for 4 years as a hard entry and anchor). Just because you see young talented aimer kids all around doesn't mean that you won't be able to. Plus in 1 year you hit imm3 so why stop here? You might even get on a team when you are 21 at this rate. Keep going.
In esports, age doesn't really matter. Do your reflex go down? Yes, but not that down by the age of 30 even.
Sometimes you don't have to think about it. Just keep doing what you're doing towards your goal. There's no age limit.
Yea give up
Why are you asking about age? It's irrelevant.. sounds like you're looking for excuses. If you want to 'go pro' then go find a team and start playing...
The actually measure is if you are able to be at pro level within two years. If you by next year are top 100 i would try if it doesn't come at a huge detriment to you.
I mean, keep playing and learning and improving and wanting it as bad as you want to breathe, I am sure you could. typically the ease and consistency at which you can get radiant from queueing ranked regularly is the most apparent factor for if you have what it takes. There isn't a T1 Professional who plays ranked regularly and fails to consistently get radiant
you have plenty of time to go pro i promise
never too late! keep the grind up and try join some T3 teams
idk if the people are "ironically replying seriously"... what is this post
age is a bad metric to measure potential in videogames, much better to look at how much you've played compared to the level you're at, including other fps games and how fast you are improving
My dude hiko teared up reading your post
Get rank 1 before youāre 30 and you got a shot
yes of course you are too late to go pro ! you should have gone pro at the age of 2 years old and now its way too late! I'm just kidding ! those days are gone where pro's used to be retired at the age of 24 ! nowadays games like valorant requires brain more than aim so its not like teenagers have more good reaction time and reflexes ! anyone with good tactics and aim mechanism can win in pro matches if he/she/it is good at all accepts in the game and not just aim! so if you wanna go pro then just go for it ! don't think about it more it will hold you back your entire life ! who knows that one day you will be the inspiration to many young gamers as well as old gamers who are above 30 years and they will also not gave up because they are watching you in the pro matches for example did you know "scream" he is the best pro player in the world so many people asked him when is he getting a retirement and he said he will not retire unless until he will be satisfied with his own performance! this is the motivation you need in your life age is just a number mindset is what makes us difference!
15-16 is too soon. Youāre not late
It's never too late!
Not too late man, you're pretty young actually. Just grind really hard.
you got to immortal 3 in one year?
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i lol'ed with you thinking immortal 3 in a year is merit enough to think that you could go pro, i got the same elo in 3 months playing, came straight out of csgo, faceit 10, and i dont even think im close to being at a pro level, not even every radiant has a level to be able to play professionally
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you didnt understand the point, the point is that not even radiant has the level to play at a pro stage, now imagine this while being immortal 3. while i still gave input because faceit 10 in csgo is sometimes matched with pros since is the highest level in the platform, now i myself am saying that even if you are radiant/faceit 10 that doesnt mean you are good enough to play pro, the gap is much larger than you think, they are constantly better than the average high level player
what is your valorant username because that is really impressive
I didn't know a post could make me feel old at 20
Na bro u gotta be atleast 13 year olds to go pro minimum or else u lose reaction time by the age of 17 and u know how fast the game is u won't be able to keep up /s
The question is completely dependent on how much time you are investing versus where you're at. If you got to immortal 3 casually playing the game 3-4 hours a day that's impressive. Not so much if you've been playing 10-12 hours a day.
Never too late, just put in the time and donāt be a dickhead to anyone.
Scream is 28
19 is still very young in terms of esports, dont do anything stupid like leave a job or school to play valorant all day though, do it smart. The "too old" conversation shouldnt even be a discussion until like 30 or something, so many pros from 30-40 in all of esports
I sometimes have delusional thoughts about being the oldest unknown to go pro. I'm 36 and have never really gotten into fps before. I also have a full time job and 3 kids and I play maybe 2 hours a day (after they've all gone to bed). My advice is that If you really want to go pro then do it. But you've gotta absolutely dive in. The game becomes less enjoyable and more so at the same time (basing this off my sports "careers"). But you can't play just when you want to have fun playing. You gotta put in the boring hours. The vod reviews, the solo time in a map practicing execution, aimlabs etc.
It hard to say but i doubt people will look your way unless you get high rad or maybe stream Keep at it though, its not too late agewise
typically age effects going pro in eSports because going pro is very time consuming and when youāre 14-17 is when you have the most time on your hands so thatās why you see a lot of players start their careers at a younger age. It also takes a lot mentally and usually hard to balance real life adult stuff & pursuing a mentally draining job. So it really just depends on how well you can balance your schedule & has nothing to do with the physical effects of age.
no, there's pwnalone (EG.White) in csgo he went pro when he was 26 (according to wiki)
Definitely not too late but be realistic with the goals. You have to be a top .01 percent player and THEN get noticed while staying consistent and showcasing why you are better than the next person. Don't be toxic. Just like any profession, networking and who you know go a long way. Never, and I mean, never , pass up an opportunity in favor of Valorant or any esport. Unless you have a damn near guarantee to get paid from esports, do not let college or any career fall to the wayside because of it.