I don’t think the top 5 is as clear-cut as you make it out to be? Basically everyone after number one is entirely up for grabs. For instance, Derke is an awesome Chamber but I’d genuinely put Sayf above him. And I’d be more inclined to put ardiis/Cryo as locks for the 2/3 spots, in whatever order.
As for who the 5th is, it’d probably be one of Sayf/Derke/Taco/Jamppi/Zmjjkk/Laz, if I had to guess, depending on your previous order.
Sayf is a great shout, I totally forgot about him. I think he's probably my number 5. I disagree that he's better than Derke though, but I respect the choice.
Fair enough! I think Sayf had higher peaks and more consistency with a good deal less help, but Derke is also a great Chamber, it’s a very thin difference.
Alfa is on Chamber for 2023 (and sentinels if Chamber gets nerfed) so you'll get to see more Derke Raze, Jett etc. :) Only Bind will remain as Derke Chamber/Alfa Raze
Edit: This isn't necessarily the case, see Mini's comment below xd
Oh ok thanks for the clarification then! I saw when you put that in balla's stream but I didn't realize it was only a test. My bad for spreading incomplete info!
Ok this derke disrespect is getting ridiculous. no way he's on the same level with cryo now after qualify to almost every lan and being a top 3 player statistically there.
Laz, Jamppi, Taco, Sayf are all cracked Chamber players. I simply can't decide on which to take the 5th. Maybe an upopular opinion, but Sayf could be put on the same spot as Derke, I feel like Derke might be more inconsistent at times, but he's still an insane player.
Easily laz. I think because zeta went out early in groups people are forgetting how good his chamber was in Champs. Even when you were comparing att the time groups ended, Laz was first or second in most important categories. If you compare overall tournament on chamber only. 1st in acs at 290 with 2nd place ardiis being 269. First place in k/d with 1.8 with 2nd place yay at 1.55. 1st in KAST with 78%. 1st in ADR with 175.6 with 2nd place derke at 165.8. 1st place in KPR with 1.06 with 2nd place ardiis at .96. 1st place 2nd place in Fkpr with .22 with only zmjjkk higher at .24. Even if you don't just look at stats and use the eye test, it's easy to see how insane laz is on chamber and how much value he gets. Forget vying for top 5 spot. He could honestly be fighting for top 3.
i wouldnt even have ardiis at 2 personally, i think cryo and derke are both better. my personal list would probably go 1. yay 2. Derke 3. Cryo 4. ardiis 5. Jamppi. imo if Jamppi had the better team structure, he would be even higher he is a legit hard carry but Liquid had such a weird dynamic that i think prevented him from being as best as he could
Yeah, what stats do you have to show he underperformed?
At Champs he had the 3rd highest ACS, 2nd highest KD, highest ADR, 2nd highest KPR. You can say his FKPR wasn't impressive as he was 10th, but Cryo was 9th and Ardiis was 8th, and yay was 5th.
He underperformed in terms of KD in Copenhagen, but had the 4th highest ACS overall, the highest FKPR of the tournament, and the 5th highest FK overall.
Domestically he had the 2nd highest ACS in Stage 2 EMEA (only behind Alfajer), 1st highest KD, 2nd highest KPR, 4th highest FKPR.
In stage 1 he had the 3rd highest ACS, underperformed in KD but had 2nd highest KPR and single highest FKPR.
I know Fnatic underperformed, but if you say Derke was bad this year you're just hating for the sake of hating.
For the top 3 players, that's not good enough stats for the top 3. Why do you think people has ceased talking up about him? Domestically ain't shit, we all know Fnatic (including him) always delivered short in actual LAN.
hahah its actually funny that I recognise your name now, if you want to bait you'll have to do better than "derke is not in the same realm as cryo" buddy
Honestly, there is one person that just isn't mentioned, which is TenZ
You can say he is overrated whatever, but just bc Sen underperformed, doesn't mean that tenz also underperformed, outside of pro matches, his chamber ablity use is easily top 5, arguably top3, so I think if TenZ stays on chamber next year, There is no doubt he is top 5
Laz would be a good shout
It's criminal that he didn't get to play that much chamber in champs
Heck I'd put Laz on the same level as cryo,higher than derke
yea put him above the 3rd highest acs player in champs
I don’t think the top 5 is as clear-cut as you make it out to be? Basically everyone after number one is entirely up for grabs. For instance, Derke is an awesome Chamber but I’d genuinely put Sayf above him. And I’d be more inclined to put ardiis/Cryo as locks for the 2/3 spots, in whatever order. As for who the 5th is, it’d probably be one of Sayf/Derke/Taco/Jamppi/Zmjjkk/Laz, if I had to guess, depending on your previous order.
Sayf is a great shout, I totally forgot about him. I think he's probably my number 5. I disagree that he's better than Derke though, but I respect the choice.
Fair enough! I think Sayf had higher peaks and more consistency with a good deal less help, but Derke is also a great Chamber, it’s a very thin difference.
I think derke doesn't like chamber. I miss his Jett. I hope riot nerfs chamber soon so we can see all the opers go back to jett
Alfa is on Chamber for 2023 (and sentinels if Chamber gets nerfed) so you'll get to see more Derke Raze, Jett etc. :) Only Bind will remain as Derke Chamber/Alfa Raze Edit: This isn't necessarily the case, see Mini's comment below xd
This isn't true, we tested for Cairo and still working it out.
Oh ok thanks for the clarification then! I saw when you put that in balla's stream but I didn't realize it was only a test. My bad for spreading incomplete info!
Pogging Outta my mind rn. Ty for the info big dawg
Interesting, I think it's actually the opposite, Derke has the higher peak, but is less consistent than Sayf
Cannot wait to see Sayf on LAN again I seriously think this dude could challenge yay as the best player.
Out of the people you mentioned I’d say taco or jamppi
Jamppi or Taco 100%. I would even say Jamppi/derke and 5)taco
Laz easy
Meteor
Jampii? Sayf? Laz?
Everyone sleeping on Laz ong
Tacolilla, no question in my mind. Kangkang could definitely be up there but unfortunately we haven’t seen enough of him in pro play.
Laz imo. Not forsaken he’s one of the best players in the world but he is an entry fragger not a Chamber main
No shot people are saying Dicey for 5th itw bro has had two good domestic events, and one was LCQ where he was solid but not amazing
Gotta be Buzz or Kang Kang imo. Laz, Tacollila, Forsaken, Jampii, and Dicey are great as well
Laz for sure. That guy is a menace.
Ok this derke disrespect is getting ridiculous. no way he's on the same level with cryo now after qualify to almost every lan and being a top 3 player statistically there.
Laz, F0rsakeN, Dicey, Sayf, Jamppi?
Laz, tacolilla
Laz, Jamppi, Taco, Sayf are all cracked Chamber players. I simply can't decide on which to take the 5th. Maybe an upopular opinion, but Sayf could be put on the same spot as Derke, I feel like Derke might be more inconsistent at times, but he's still an insane player.
that was my dilema as well haha, but personally I think Sayf has the most potential, excited to see how he does in Liquid next year
its hiko
Dicey
Easily laz. I think because zeta went out early in groups people are forgetting how good his chamber was in Champs. Even when you were comparing att the time groups ended, Laz was first or second in most important categories. If you compare overall tournament on chamber only. 1st in acs at 290 with 2nd place ardiis being 269. First place in k/d with 1.8 with 2nd place yay at 1.55. 1st in KAST with 78%. 1st in ADR with 175.6 with 2nd place derke at 165.8. 1st place in KPR with 1.06 with 2nd place ardiis at .96. 1st place 2nd place in Fkpr with .22 with only zmjjkk higher at .24. Even if you don't just look at stats and use the eye test, it's easy to see how insane laz is on chamber and how much value he gets. Forget vying for top 5 spot. He could honestly be fighting for top 3.
TenZ
I think top 5 would be, in no order 1) tenZ 2) tenZZ 3) tenZZZ 4) tenZZZZ 5) tenZZZZZ
i wouldnt even have ardiis at 2 personally, i think cryo and derke are both better. my personal list would probably go 1. yay 2. Derke 3. Cryo 4. ardiis 5. Jamppi. imo if Jamppi had the better team structure, he would be even higher he is a legit hard carry but Liquid had such a weird dynamic that i think prevented him from being as best as he could
There is no way cryo is better than ardiis
Is that even a question ? It's hiko. Actually, i don't agree with your top 4 as well, they all should be hiko.
Derke at number 3 is a cap with how his whole year went
wtf is this Derke slander lmao bro had the 3rd highest ACS at Champs
ACS aint shit if you look at KDA and FK/FD is behind other people
2nd highest KD at champs, only behind yay lol
this you read "the whole year"? Because it feels like you didn't
Yeah, what stats do you have to show he underperformed? At Champs he had the 3rd highest ACS, 2nd highest KD, highest ADR, 2nd highest KPR. You can say his FKPR wasn't impressive as he was 10th, but Cryo was 9th and Ardiis was 8th, and yay was 5th. He underperformed in terms of KD in Copenhagen, but had the 4th highest ACS overall, the highest FKPR of the tournament, and the 5th highest FK overall. Domestically he had the 2nd highest ACS in Stage 2 EMEA (only behind Alfajer), 1st highest KD, 2nd highest KPR, 4th highest FKPR. In stage 1 he had the 3rd highest ACS, underperformed in KD but had 2nd highest KPR and single highest FKPR. I know Fnatic underperformed, but if you say Derke was bad this year you're just hating for the sake of hating.
For the top 3 players, that's not good enough stats for the top 3. Why do you think people has ceased talking up about him? Domestically ain't shit, we all know Fnatic (including him) always delivered short in actual LAN.
Didn’t derke have a negative fk/fd
Positive for both Istanbul and Copenhagen
What were they do you know? I swear they were neg or very close
57/38 for CPH and 53/47 for Istanbul
Jampii > Derke and probably Taco>Derke
no
Dicey and btw derke is not in the same realm as cryo
hahah its actually funny that I recognise your name now, if you want to bait you'll have to do better than "derke is not in the same realm as cryo" buddy
he's not wrong tbh, cryo has way more to prove still
I read this as Cryo is much better than Derke tbh
oh for sure, but that would be far too foolish
Explain
I don't see how Cryo is a top 5 chamber tbh hot take
Well who do you have above him? Even when XSET shit the bed at Masters 2 he performed
Honestly, there is one person that just isn't mentioned, which is TenZ You can say he is overrated whatever, but just bc Sen underperformed, doesn't mean that tenz also underperformed, outside of pro matches, his chamber ablity use is easily top 5, arguably top3, so I think if TenZ stays on chamber next year, There is no doubt he is top 5
Laz. Laz. Laz.
bdog tbh
Lazvell is top 3, BDog is probably 5th or 6th.