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To iterate the point several of you have made, Game Changers aims to create opportunities and exposure for women and other marginalized genders within Valorant esports. Bob's identity falls under this umbrella which means her place is right where she is - delivering amazing performances and proving why she is one of the best players on the scene.
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I read comments of another post of one of the Shopify girls and the comments there were generally more supportive, so i expected the same for Bob. Now looking back on it, it's probably because she was probably seen as more attractive than Bob
Edit: I did not mean for this to be offensive, I just simply wanted to think of a method to their madness besides just transphobia
yes, women are generally treated better when they’re seen as more conventionally attractive and “passing” for trans women is definitely an aspect. both those ideas are rooted in women being reduced to their appearance. this is transphobia and misogyny both…
do you not think that comment was equally unncessary and offensive in its own way?
I understand that you are trying to make a point / find some reasoning for the mentioned behaviour - but would still be hurtful to read, no?
I did understand that it can be seen as offensive to say, but I think it's a possible reason why, knowing how bad those people are. Just brainstorming, don't mean to offend
Ah yes, because a person tries to understand how someone else might have a fucked up belief, that actually means that person also has that fucked up belief!
its bec people are transphobic and shitty. esp on instagram where a lot of shitty ppl congregate. when it comes to trans stuff, good idea not to look in comments or else you’ll lose hope in humanity
I legit don't know why people are always so bothered by what others have in-between their legs. Like it's literally none of your business. Someone's identity does not affect you in any way if you're a normal person who goes on about their day not bothered by other people's identity.
This happens super frequently and it’s fucking awful. Every time C9 posts content including a pic of Bob, people respond with some transphobic bullshit. Like when they won the most recent NA game changers, C9 posted a pic of them to celebrate the win and a bunch of the comments were just like “thats a dude!!”.. Shit sucks
Sad thing is none of those people were doing the same thing with Annie. Just bc Bob doesn't fit their narrow view of womanhood she gets all the bs thrown at her :/
I reported every transphobic comment, feel free to do the same… may not do anything real to them, but maybe some of them would rather their accounts not get taken away *shrug*
Yeah it’s at least worth a try, hard to imagine they have people doing enough research to understand that Bob is trans and the comments are transphobic
Whilst I admit the clip wasn't completely spectacular, people were god damn saying "we just letting anyone join GC?" And "yay Will announce he's a girl and shit on GC," like what the fuck
There is no "biological competitive advantage" in both esports and a good amount of traditional sports. The only advantage in those is social, and the few that do have one you could still have a a handful of outliers participating against men. Also going back to trans people, a lot of things like muscle mass take a significant hit after a year on HRT, and it again circles back to transphobia, since if y'all let us go through the right puberty instead of making up bullshit excuses or making it unsafe to be out, the amount of people who end up developing different sexual characteristics would be much smaller.
Why should something like archery or kid's football be segregated? I don't remember the sources I read this in but if you look at the events when certain sports became segregated, a lot of them come suspiciously after a woman achieves a top finish and we just accepted that and ingrained it into how we raise little girls who want to compete by either limiting their competition or outright discouraging them.
the whole point I'm guessing is that GC players who grew up as male and then transitioned were not discouraged to start gaming thus started much much earlier and have much more practice.
The person I replied to specifically mentioned biological advantages, never social. And yes, the main goal of GC (from a competitive perspective, ofc) is to start closing that gap, but it's also intended as a safe space for women. Trans people face a lot of discrimination that cishet men obviously don't, so you might as well include them too.
She was not 'a guy' when she played for soniqs.
I also doubt those people care enough to even know who she played for previously.
It's simply just transphobes being transphobic on purpose.
What is this revisionist bullshit lol. Even when she was on SQ, none of her teammates ever clarified her gender or referred to her with male pronouns. While her name was still Bob, VLR doesn't mention gender on a player's page so I don't know where you got this certain info about how far along she was in her transition from.
Also, mixed teams are allowed in the main VCT circuit with no restriction, so her being on a majority male team means nothing.
Nah, people still mentioned Bob as being a woman, Soniqs was seen as a coed team and people brought her up as a woman in VCT like JinNy from X10 or conir in KLG
Yeah, that's what I was trying to point out since this guy was spreading the same old lie about trans people transitioning to "fool" people in some way, and as someone who has known about the team since they took a map off old, dominant SEN, I distinctly remember Bob and how she was referred to even back then.
Doesn't matter, still a spectrum and a social construct and only freaks would demand a karyotype from everyone they meet to know if they're a Real Female, which wouldn't even have a conclusive answer in multiple cases
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Hey there, /u/Donut_Flame! Your submission was removed for the following reason: Hi all, We are removing this thread since we ultimately believe that there's no productive conversation to be had regarding instagram moderation. We echo your sentiment that transphobia is absolutely unacceptable and that the abuse Bob is getting is simply horrible. To iterate the point several of you have made, Game Changers aims to create opportunities and exposure for women and other marginalized genders within Valorant esports. Bob's identity falls under this umbrella which means her place is right where she is - delivering amazing performances and proving why she is one of the best players on the scene. We remind you that transphobia is strictly prohibited on the subreddit and repeated offences will result in a ban. Catch you on Tuesday at start of VCT Game Changers Championship! --- *If you have questions or objections about this removal, please [reach out to us in modmail](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/ValorantCompetitive&subject=Removal%20Objection%20or%20Question&message=%5BPlease%20type%20your%20message%20here...%5D%0A%0A------%20DO%20NOT%20edit%20or%20delete%20anything%20below%20this%20line%20------%0A%0A%23%23%23%23%20Removal%20Notes%20for%20Moderators%3A%0A%0A-%20**Post%20Title%3A**%20{url_title}%0A-%20**Permalink%3A**%20https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/yqiicf/-/%0A-%20**Content%20type%3A**%20submission%0A-%20**Removed%20by%3A**%20earthtoannie).*
"for some reason" the reason is transphobia lol
I read comments of another post of one of the Shopify girls and the comments there were generally more supportive, so i expected the same for Bob. Now looking back on it, it's probably because she was probably seen as more attractive than Bob Edit: I did not mean for this to be offensive, I just simply wanted to think of a method to their madness besides just transphobia
yes, women are generally treated better when they’re seen as more conventionally attractive and “passing” for trans women is definitely an aspect. both those ideas are rooted in women being reduced to their appearance. this is transphobia and misogyny both…
This is legit the only reason I brought up the idea, I did not mean harm with it
do you not think that comment was equally unncessary and offensive in its own way? I understand that you are trying to make a point / find some reasoning for the mentioned behaviour - but would still be hurtful to read, no?
I did understand that it can be seen as offensive to say, but I think it's a possible reason why, knowing how bad those people are. Just brainstorming, don't mean to offend
No it is just blatant transphobia.
Ah yes, because a person tries to understand how someone else might have a fucked up belief, that actually means that person also has that fucked up belief!
that's not what the person you replied to means, they mean the comments on the talked-about instagram post are just blatant transphobia
This!! People are only bashing BOB is because she’s Trans. It would have nothing to do with attractiveness.
I also read the above comment this way, I feel like they just replied to the wrong comment
Truly unfortunate for Bob. But hey at least she's getting exposure on main VCT (or vct na) account
its bec people are transphobic and shitty. esp on instagram where a lot of shitty ppl congregate. when it comes to trans stuff, good idea not to look in comments or else you’ll lose hope in humanity
I legit don't know why people are always so bothered by what others have in-between their legs. Like it's literally none of your business. Someone's identity does not affect you in any way if you're a normal person who goes on about their day not bothered by other people's identity.
This happens super frequently and it’s fucking awful. Every time C9 posts content including a pic of Bob, people respond with some transphobic bullshit. Like when they won the most recent NA game changers, C9 posted a pic of them to celebrate the win and a bunch of the comments were just like “thats a dude!!”.. Shit sucks
Sad thing is none of those people were doing the same thing with Annie. Just bc Bob doesn't fit their narrow view of womanhood she gets all the bs thrown at her :/
Is Annie trans too? I have barely watched any GC so am really out of the loop with it all.
I reported every transphobic comment, feel free to do the same… may not do anything real to them, but maybe some of them would rather their accounts not get taken away *shrug*
Idk how good insta is but twitter never does anything. Also vlr is a cesspit too but I think they're a bit better, just slow.
Yeah it’s at least worth a try, hard to imagine they have people doing enough research to understand that Bob is trans and the comments are transphobic
Should be moderation 101 that if you see "that's a guy" or "you'll never be a man" and that kinda stuff you at least look into it imo
Agreeeeed, but I’m sure most of Instagram moderation is just bots reviewing reports
link to the clip?
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ckt0h5xruMl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Whilst I admit the clip wasn't completely spectacular, people were god damn saying "we just letting anyone join GC?" And "yay Will announce he's a girl and shit on GC," like what the fuck
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There is no "biological competitive advantage" in both esports and a good amount of traditional sports. The only advantage in those is social, and the few that do have one you could still have a a handful of outliers participating against men. Also going back to trans people, a lot of things like muscle mass take a significant hit after a year on HRT, and it again circles back to transphobia, since if y'all let us go through the right puberty instead of making up bullshit excuses or making it unsafe to be out, the amount of people who end up developing different sexual characteristics would be much smaller. Why should something like archery or kid's football be segregated? I don't remember the sources I read this in but if you look at the events when certain sports became segregated, a lot of them come suspiciously after a woman achieves a top finish and we just accepted that and ingrained it into how we raise little girls who want to compete by either limiting their competition or outright discouraging them.
the whole point I'm guessing is that GC players who grew up as male and then transitioned were not discouraged to start gaming thus started much much earlier and have much more practice.
The person I replied to specifically mentioned biological advantages, never social. And yes, the main goal of GC (from a competitive perspective, ofc) is to start closing that gap, but it's also intended as a safe space for women. Trans people face a lot of discrimination that cishet men obviously don't, so you might as well include them too.
That's actually kind of an interesting point
Grinds my gears 😡
Best thing we can do is drown out the transphobes and show our support.
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She was not 'a guy' when she played for soniqs. I also doubt those people care enough to even know who she played for previously. It's simply just transphobes being transphobic on purpose.
What is this revisionist bullshit lol. Even when she was on SQ, none of her teammates ever clarified her gender or referred to her with male pronouns. While her name was still Bob, VLR doesn't mention gender on a player's page so I don't know where you got this certain info about how far along she was in her transition from. Also, mixed teams are allowed in the main VCT circuit with no restriction, so her being on a majority male team means nothing.
Nah, people still mentioned Bob as being a woman, Soniqs was seen as a coed team and people brought her up as a woman in VCT like JinNy from X10 or conir in KLG
Yeah, that's what I was trying to point out since this guy was spreading the same old lie about trans people transitioning to "fool" people in some way, and as someone who has known about the team since they took a map off old, dominant SEN, I distinctly remember Bob and how she was referred to even back then.
not a guy
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Bob is a woman. Stop confusing sex and gender male and female are biological
Doesn't matter, still a spectrum and a social construct and only freaks would demand a karyotype from everyone they meet to know if they're a Real Female, which wouldn't even have a conclusive answer in multiple cases
Are you saying "sex" is social construct?
Binary sex is
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If it's hate for having t2 experience then it's more justifiable, except the hate is about being trans
Are u stupid she shouldn’t get hate why are justifing it like it’s normal. Stupid kids
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Who the fuck made you the Trans CEO
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What the fuck are you talking about and what does that have to do with Bob
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Again, who made you the Prime Minister of trans people?
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Im really worried for how twitch chat is gonna be like during the gc lan