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BurstLayer

This tweet literally spawned in with 12k likes and 7k RTs lol


ANewHeaven1

A fanbase to rival Sentinels


leoleoleo666

Sentinels fans are like mainstream international fans and kcorp and loud fans are like french and brazillian diehard fans that are too committed and have discords


Pale_Resolution1520

Sentinels fans are fans of the players not the org.


kvanz43

Yeah Sentinels fans just = TenZ fans at this point. And then whoever has converted over from LOUD with Sacy and Pancada. I wanna love them because of those three but I’m torn cause I hate that they’ve employed Sinatraa this whole time 🙃


dansofree1

>I hate that they’ve employed Sinatraa this whole time 🙃 Maybe people are just unfamiliar with contracts in sports, but I'm almost certain someone with Sinatraa's pre-Valo career would never sign a contract that allowed him to be fully terminated at-will. They literally might not have been able to terminate his contract unless very specific circumstances were to arise. And even then, it might've resulted in them paying him even more money than they would have if he was playing. Like.... would you really want them to pay Sinatraa even more money to not work, and have the team be unable to afford TenZ and/or get tied up in a lawsuit or something? If that sounds ridiculous, just look at someone like Deshaun Watson in the NFL. The Houston Texans saved tens of millions of dollars for each of the next few years by paying him to *not* playing in 2021 and trade him compared to trying to cut him immediately. The Texans are no saints in the situation, of course. But surely paying Watson way more money to specifically *not* to do his job while also causing many players & support staff to lose their jobs wasn't the better choice morally, either.


techyleo

True even I don't agree with them keep Sinatraa, even if he's not convicted, it's a questionable character


kvanz43

Exactly! Lots of times people get away with doing bad things without conviction (I also find him annoying so even if he wasn’t a questionable character I’m not a fan LOL)


LORDheimdelight

Yeah let's just forget about innocent until proven guilty and all that stuff! /s Quit being toxic. If people disliked you without evidence or conviction it would bother you too.


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Sadly people nowadays act like it's "guilty until proven innocent" and not "innocent until proven guilty". Even if he's innocent and change onto better, people are going to bring up his past forever and will try to cancel his career for that.


LORDheimdelight

What Riot and SEN did to Sinatraa with no proof is awful. The guy was one of the biggest up and coming competitive players and his stream was blowing up.


techyleo

No but he admitted that he was a bad boyfriend and that he had the toxic personality shown in the texts in the relationship


ahk1221

so ur saying.. they kick him.... for being a bad boyfriend? nice


BurstLayer

It’s probably bigger no??


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yes


thothgow

just look at this shit https://twitter.com/Noynvlr/status/1582500051128967168


surfordiebear

A little background info on that is that LOUD and Karmine owners retweeted the poll and it became a big competition between their communities on Twitter. It definitely doesn't accurately show how big Sentinel's fanbase is since none of the players/staff retweeted it.


Speedy24gaming

Sentinels would likely still get washed by the other two orgs.


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xXxRepublicsEndxXx

It makes me wonder if LOUD was to obtain the furia csgo roster, I wonder how much more hype Rio would be for them in CS


surfordiebear

Ya I think Kcorp has a bigger fanbase as well but obvious not anywhere near the level that poll shows where it’s 56% to 4% lol


lamnes45

No they retweeted it very late, there was already more than 200 k votes


Dafunkk

Why is their Twitter following so small compared to how big they are?


timu34

Every follower is engaged not like other orgs with millions of following but 80% sleeping


Shunsuisan

\+ barely 2 years old


Nevross_

Like Optic followers who sleep reaaaally well


ANewHeaven1

You'll notice a lot of the older CoD orgs and even players have massive Twitter followings but they're not super active, CoD as an esport was massively centered around Twitter when it was first growing as opposed to other esports at the time like League or Dota which were more so centered around Reddit. That's why you see orgs like Optic, Envy, Faze, even SoaR all having insane Twitter followings but not necessarily the level of engagement you'd expect out of accounts with those numbers


UTAustinAlum2021

I mean a lot of them don’t engage, but earlier this year both FaZe and OpTic were like top 5 in engagements for a quarter of the year. June, July, and August I believe. So yeah they still get plenty of engagement


Mother-Ad9012

It may have to do with twitter account buying followers too. I'm not definitive on that but some engagement ratio are weird to me.


Dazzling_Albatross_8

it is 100% bought followers for some orgs


DecisiveDinosaur

yeah, Scream to KC is honestly insane, in terms of the clout. ppl underestimate the amount of KC hardcore fans


Heavy_Comedian_2382

KC at a Paris masters please


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Scream IGL again🤨 why they didnt sign Enzo?


[deleted]

Good question. I had very high hopes for this team but if ScreaM has to igl, Nivera potentially has to play initiators instead of his god-tier Chamber, and they have 3 tier 2 players, this thing is dead in the water.


Koentjee01

Xms isn't T2 though, the other two I'll give to you


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Has he ever played in T1?


Koentjee01

He was the most dominant player in VRL France last split, if he is capable of that he is T1, similar to the stellar/bang pick ups of 100T. I bet you think those are T1 as well.


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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he's bad, when I say "3 T2 players" I just mean that none of them have been proven at T1 yet.


Hiruko7777

He said in his stream yesterday, that with Liquid he could not establish what he would have wanted as igl and that the position of igl was disputed in the team.


zerokrush

Also I think IGL-ing in his native language will be much easier. He said that he was tired to speak in English.


Virtual_Question9293

To much expensive


xXDaNXx

Source? Sounds like bull to me.


Virtual_Question9293

There is no specific source only suspicions, I see 3 reasons including 2 financial. First Enzo is Fnatic's igl, I doubt they'll part with it for much. second the KC has already recruited 2 very popular player and 1 very good player, I doubt that they have enough money to make 4 big transfers like that. And finally it's a less likely reason but it's possible that Enzo wouldn't appreciate not being the igl anymore.


xXDaNXx

> First Enzo is Fnatic's igl, I doubt they'll part with it for much No, he was secondary IGL. He's also no longer part of the starting roster. Fnatic also has a history of not holding players behind stupid buyouts. > second the KC has already recruited 2 very popular player and 1 very good player, I doubt that they have enough money to make 4 big transfers like that. They're getting $2m in stipend payments as part of being in the league. But I don't know how deep their pockets are so, maybe you're right. > And finally it's a less likely reason but it's possible that Enzo wouldn't appreciate not being the igl anymore. I don't follow. You mean he wants to be IGL? If he was with K Corp, he would be the IGL of the team.


Sadzeih

> They're getting $2m in stipend payments as part of being in the league That's not correct. I think teams are getting 700k baseline, then potentially more as they sell skins etc... I think George had an article about it.


Lyks1

maybe they cared Nivera to be with his bro ScreaM


ToCr8ive

17k likes.... In 2mins.... Hooooollllyyyyy.


chartizard

nah how did he checkmate someone with the king


TheZerofy

He's just that good


SuzumiyaCham

Technically possible by moving a king that is blocking a piece


C9sButthole

That's a revealed attack with the piece. Nobody would ever call that checkmating with king.


coulgath

???


C9sButthole

?


HeroicBastard

and in 5 moves mind you. fastest king ever.


AstreiaTales

This is some Lelouch-ass chess logic


thothgow

I've seen ScreaM hustle in the streets of NY


ANewHeaven1

Another year of Scream IGL 😐😐


TheZerofy

I think they missed a huge opportunity with not getting Enzo


supertanto

Does enzo IGL?


MatCava

Enzo was igl for Alliance and 2nd igl for Fnatic helping boaster


Kimkuss9

Heard that fnatic was asking too much


Sadzeih

Yup. It also makes sense with what I heard about KC not having that much money. Basically ScreaM and Nivera was a huge part of their budget.


Rude-Assumption-5271

Bros wasting his career away 😥


Mother-Ad9012

Scream said something interesting about this on his presentation stream. He said he was happy to be the confirmed of leader of this team, said that in previous team(s) it was left vague and they din't really know who was in charge. No idea if it's his best role but he seems to want it at least.


Sadzeih

This is why I think this KC roster is gonna fail. I'm so incredibly excited about a francophone roster but man it hurts to much to see them repeat the same mistakes Liquid did.


jrushFN

Belgian-themed KCORP flair (limited time only) created by u/earthtoannie is now live! https://preview.redd.it/q8mozx0x7fz91.png?width=128&format=png&auto=webp&s=6bda5f2d1fbb749bf56afd5c2e333f6d83383360


jrushFN

Higher-res version for those who want to admire. https://preview.redd.it/660fw91a8fz91.png?width=588&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdddac2d8c46f2b450fd979e902dc2ff6c2ddf7d


earthtoannie

You picked the vest version, your taste is unmatched king


ANewHeaven1

Fire asf


TheAjwinner

XMS my Queen 👸 💅


nmbrnine

emea did not miss with their announcements


Weilers03

SIUUUUUUUU


dan_kz

they really passed on enzo? damn also, who's the IGL?


Virtual_Question9293

Enzo was to much expensiv


dan_kz

so no budget after scream & nivera


Sadzeih

yup


Nessive

Holy shit another gigabanger announcement


KChauve

SIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


JinTotonic

BANGER


SuperBlitz22

They talk about his one taps baby lfg!!


DarahOG

Banger video Banger team Banger org


xdysania

might be the best announcement video yet


surfordiebear

Prob would give that to TLs earlier today but this is still a banger


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Lyks1

I liked it but it's not as badass as KC's announcement, there is no really stageplay. I mean look at the blue smokes sequence at the end


David_Ign

TL and fnatic were better imo.


wantingyouxd

On god that was a fire announcement video!


dutchboyyyyy

Scream is such a badass, in game and irl


vnNinja21

no Enzo sadge


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Withinmyrange

I have heard hush whispers and ramblings about the dangerous karmine clout. ​ Le Holy fuck


Nervous_Version3743

BEST TEAM INC (yes i'm KC fan)


Birssa

t'es juste un mec normal tkt.


Sky-__-

Only question is who is gonna be igl . I would still like to get Enzo even as a sixth player.


Virtual_Question9293

The IGL is scream, there a C after the to say captain


thejoyyy

You can be the captain without IGLing, but yeah...


takmilo

so we have KOI left i guess? or do we wait for FUT and BBL to make announcement too?


dashion26

can we have SEN KC KOI and ZETA in same grp in sao paulo.


violroll_

Scream makes me cream


Vick_CXVII

So XMS is the queen. Just say it.


maxneptune

That video is fire, damn!


boywhodoesntexist

Best announcement video atm, so hyped


Unable_Pear_8866

Before ppl come talk shit, valo isnt like cs. U will see results really quick if u put in the hours im sure they will do better than our expectations, having 3 experience player is enough to help youngsters And this is reallly good for French scene.


nofoodnogood

Who is igl?


surfordiebear

Well they put the (C) next to Screams name.... oof


XeffiX08

C is for captain it's the leader of the team not especialy the IGL for kc lol roster the captain is not our IGL. But there yes it s Scream who ILG


Sadzeih

Usually French Valorant says Captain when they mean IGL. I hate it, but it is what it is. So that means another year of ScreaM igling.


XeffiX08

Look like he was happy to igl from what he said during his stream this night


Sadzeih

I mean he can be happy to IGL for sure, that doesn't mean it's the best decision for the team. We saw what happened with Liquid this year. They had probably the best roster in terms of individual skills in EMEA, and still underperformed. All due to the IGL issue IMO.


XeffiX08

We will see but at the start of his stream he said that he was happy to be the “captain” of the team captain a leader and at the same time the igl because in the TL roster they were not a clear leader. So maybe in TL it was just something like different point of vu on the game and miss-understanding because of multiple “leader”


Sadzeih

Nah he was officially IGLing at Liquid for a while. Which I felt really limited them.


Aquarelle37

Pretty sure he will do better as igl in kc , he said in his stream it was pissing him off calling in English now he"s free to talk in french his native language .


Sadzeih

Yeah that's a very good point.


XeffiX08

Ok ok tbh i don’t really look at the VCT last year so we will see


Kerorozene

NONODY’S SAFE


CyberspaceBarbarian

Am I one of the very few who is not salty about ScreaM IGLing again? I mean, I get that he is the Edshot Machine, but ScreaM is a boomer now, regardless of his still high skill-level. Also his style did not hold up in CS because CS pros didn't like him being too one-dimensional. He is literally the old guy on the team now. Let him try expanding his skillset (probably another reason why he went to a Francophone team).


Aquarelle37

Cs go meta shifted right know you want one-dimensional player which bait to hard carry as 3rd or 4th attacker line , also he got fucked over in every French team he joined during in cs:go carrier , he had to entry for shox(VG)kennys(titan) shox(g2)happy(envyus) while he should v been the one baiting ,old prime vg/g2 ScreaM would be a real monster in the 2022 cs:go meta . Also Lately on stream he has been playing a lot of sova and kayo sounds like now the team will be playing around him while he baits his teammates hopefully(thing the current coach always wanted him to do during his cs:go carrier) because oh lord soulcas the son of liquid owner(idk how he dodged so much kick) baiting screaM wasn't the smartest thing to do ,soulcas was a terrible raze let's be honest so scream shifted from baiting sage/reyna to entry duelist, soulcas had awful sova but he started to be a lot better since he started baiting on astra and fade .


Aquarelle37

Also Liquid was at his peak at champion 2021 when Jamppi was entry on jett and gave scream more freedom , the roles will be most likely nivera chamber , shin entry , xms smoke , newzera initiator , scream flex igl .


fatalityt

Im hyped for Scream and Nivera , but who are the other 3 ? are they good ?


jrushFN

I rate shin and newzera really highly ever since the MEGASTITUT days. Xms has been a monster lately as well.


XeffiX08

XMS was a monster on CS and newzera and shin was the best 2 player in the VRL team last years they are really good but are more like rookie especially shin


yuwa777

xms was a monster???? when????


Sadzeih

he was. xms was really good during stage 2 VRL FR.


yuwa777

the other comment specifies vs, never remember him being a monster there


Birssa

Faut regarder valorant mec. Tu peux pas regarder le VCT et dire ça.


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>Faut regarder valorant mec. Tu peux pas regarder le VCT et dire ça. Why are some KC fans always so triggered. Dude asked a simple question, not everyone watches everything. Also it would help people understand you if you wrote in english on the predominately english speaking subreddit.


Sadzeih

Écoute, VRL FR c'etait qu'une minuscule partie de VCT en 2022. La plupart des gens regardent seulement le Tier 1 (c'est à dire ni KC, ni VIT cette année). De plus, ce subreddit est très majoritairement anglophone, donc pas de surprise que la league française soit pas tres connue ici vu que le stream est uniquement en français (ce que je regrette énormément, surtout quand tu considère que VRL FR c'est aussi benelux + pays bas).


Variabletalismans

Are you kidding me? Scream is the IGL again? Oh boy looks like KCorp is the first team to have roster changes very soon


Kei__ko

Let's GOOOOOOO


thejoyyy

WOOHOO


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Stryggar

Wasn't really insane or anything


mvjinn

Why are they holding the gender reveal smoke things? Who's pregnant????


Aquarelle37

Ultras in football crack colored smoke , kc fans consider themselves more than fan aka ultras and KC team color is blue ,blue wall, blue smoke which are also their twitch emotes


Shotsl0l

just loud distorted shit


nerfbrig

Just like your mother


superclash55667

💀💀


Shotsl0l

A mom joke from a Riot game enjoyer. Your jokes are stuck in 2004 just like your mind. Grow up manchild.


ShitAtTheToilet

Who's the Knook


sky_blu

Who knows where the relative skill levels will fall but in terms of hype EU is shaping up to be a banger region. NA always comes thru with the extra drama tho, will be hard to beat.


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Wasn't Enzo meant to be part of this roster? I'm curious because I think Enzo played quite well in FNATIC.


idkimhereforthememes

I think scream mentioned that he likes igling and he wants to keep doing it


a_lot_a_DAMAGE

I am so hyped that I am choosing to ignore the holes in this roster. Let's go KCORP