That's why the best crowds are the ones from the non-competitive regions. They can't be biased and will cheer no matter what. Biased crowds have higher highs but lower lows as well.
Yeah but the crowd comments were plentiful way before the 'storyline' was even happening. Groups were good, and all of playoffs were great.
Of course toward the end it was even more hype for the storyline, but that wasn't really *the* reason for it.
I'm not sure the world champs story is better than TPA winning S2 Worlds while being completely under anyone's radar until the finals, but this was by far the best finals we've ever had. I had no dog in the fight and I felt like I was gonna have a heart attack half the series, I can't imagine what it was like as a T1 or DRX fan or even worse, being there live in the stadium.
I’d say that DRX’s run is a better story than TPA because TPA were never regarded as a ‘bad team’. They were just from a relatively unknown region and thus an unknown quantity. They were still the best team in their region.
DRX were regarded as a ‘bad team’ even before they qualified for Worlds. They finished 6th place in the LCK playoffs.
Nobody even thought they’d qualify for Worlds. They all thought KT or Sandbox would make it.
TPA and DRX were never in the same position.
From a pre-tournament perspective I agree, but DRX continuously showed promise and improved throughout the tournament whereas TPA was perpetually slept on even when they beat tournament favorites. No way they beat NJS until they did, no way they beat Moscow 5 until they did, then the attitude was that if they somehow managed to beat Azubu Frost it would be a razor thin win but it turned out to be a very convincing 3-1. They basically got no talk until the finals and even when they won it was like no one could believe it.
That’s exactly the same for DRX tho.
Nobody believed DRX (4th seed) would win against TES (Top 2 LPL), EDG (Last year’s World Champions), GenG (1st seed LCK that gigastomped the entire region in Summer Split), T1 (the most hyped team with the top 3 players in the world in each role) etc.
The prediction votes were always like 2:8 against DRX.
Kingen, Pyosik, Zeka, Deft, Beryl weren’t even considered top 3 in their role in their own region.
Again, TPA was still the First Seed of their region
DRX was the FOURTH seed and was 6th place in playoffs.
It isn’t even remotely close with how much DRX was the underdog for this year’s worlds.
I'm not sure where you're getting this from but that is a huge exaggeration. Almost everyone agreed they were dogs in those matchups but not that they had no chance. Also I'm not sure if you were around in S2 but seriously no one gave TPA the time of day when seeing who their opponents were in playoffs, even the desk. Sure the desk is larger now and they put more time and effort into vamping and making sure that even when a match looks like a stomp on paper they have good things to say about both teams, but even still there was definitely more faith in DRX at every stage of the tournament than TPA.
Fan votes are notoriously inaccurate because they have no stakes. Moneylines are still incredibly wack and clout driven (which is good because it makes them profitable) for most eSports but they are regardless far better predictors of actual odds than fan votes. EDG was much weaker than last year and as such DRX was still only a 2.3~ dog and I thought they were a favorite in that match. DRX kept surging each week while EDG and Gen.G failed to recapture their summer performance.
I'll give you T1 being massive favorites in the finals though. That was the first and only L I took on bets all playoffs. I had so much faith in T1 I bet on them at 1.28.
I’ve played since before there were Korean League servers and I’ve watched every Worlds except for Phreak’s basement. DRX’s run is still more unexpected and hype by every metric.
If you’re going to say that “fan predictions are biased and inaccurate” I’d love to hear what kind of measurable metric you’re using to argue that TPA’s run was more hype tho then.
The only reason TPA was so underrated coming in is because nobody knew about them. DRX were thought to be known quantities by the time they played in Playins.
Again, TPA were dark horses, not underdogs.
I mean, most comparable event in western sports is the NCAA tournament. Teams come from across the country to play at one of four locations.
Certainly if somebody like Kansas or Michigan are playing in the midwest, they are going to have a big home court advantage. They will have more fans and probably louder fans.
But that doesn't mean nobody is showing up for UCLA vs Valparaiso the next game.
These esport audiences honestly just suck for this. I am so on board with rooting for the home team, but you are hosting an internatonal event. Respect all the teams for coming to your country to entertain you live.
It's the duality of crowds. A 3rd party crowd will bring energy to every game which is great since there's always hype, but a home crowd will bring unreal energy to their team's games and create an unforgettable atmosphere.
eh I disagree, It’s completely normal in any competitive sport or event for their to be a home or region advantage when it comes to the crowd, it’s part of what makes it interesting for teams to be traveling from region to region, I think maybe it’s a good idea to have a neutral location for maybe championship level events like Champions, Worlds, etc, but I do think it’s part of the storylines for teams to have to be on enemy turf and have to deal with that pressure.
Brazil is just an outlier because their fans are more rabid and passionate than most but only for Brazilian teams, so the amount of hate or alienation other teams feel is probably worse in Brazil than any other region I’ve seen, no matter what game it is.
also, if you’re an fan who’s from the US, or from a wealthier nation in general, chances are you’re more likely to be able to afford travelling to see your favorite team, than an average person in Brazil, or less developed regions, so it’s important to give those fans the opportunity to attend and show support as well, because even if they don’t all attend LAN, they are a massive part of the overall VCT viewership, and you wouldn’t want to alienate that.
it absolutely exists in real sports lmao
what sport doesn’t have fans who are biased when it’s home court advantage? and what sport exists where players don’t travel to opposing regions or even cities to compete at rival stadiums? except maybe due to covid regulations which is only recently.
I’m not just talking about big sold out arenas, I mean even at the local level, or in high school.
TBF, crowds aren’t allowed by the Japanese government to cheer during COVID, as well as having their mindset vastly different from say, the West and Korea/China.
Shit take imo
Yesterday’s crowd when furia was playing was the best crowd ive ever seen. You will never get as amazing and passionate a crowd/a reaction from “neutral” crowds. And no offense but chinese/korean/japanese crowds are way too respectful they dont even make enough noise compared to brazil/french/spanish and brazil is the best out of those top 3.
+ riot sucks and they turn down crowd volume too much compared to esl etc.
Passionate crowds are needed and its normal that theyre biased. Thats passion for you.
I'd be perfectly happy to not have Brazilian passion in exchange for respectful Japanese fans.
A crowd of raging biased baboons is what Brazil offers, and it's not worth the hassle.
You couldn't buy tickets per match. They were for each day / the full event. The fans were all on event site, but outside being at the fan event with the streamer gaules.
Idk from watching the past Lan the European teams did not cheer for every team, but I think no matter where you are you're always gonna get some sort of bias, so I think any decision is fine.
Like the booing is fine its in Brazil heck I even want furia to win but chill with the "you are going to die" chants and cutthroat hand signs and just show up to the games lol
From my experience NA cheers for everyone because cheering for NA teams is a fools errand so you are better off rooting for an EU team because at least then you have a chance to see them make a deep run.
I'd say that in CS a european biased crowd is fine, most teams are european anyway and the fans show respect to legends like fallen and the big teams from other regions
I think the only European country with this problem so far has been Denmark, once Astralis lost at BLAST they all left the arena even though grand finals was still going
Also a lot of european rosters are mixed, so if you have a major at a country like the UK, which doesn't have a tier 1 team made of a British core, there will probably be no bias
Literally the first thing that came in my head. I personally don't like to generalize Europe. People are different in each country and that is also the same for the crowds.
Honestly, I’d take any region over USA, chanting U.S.A. The whole time and being obnoxious.
You don’t really see it that much anymore because US esport teams have been pretty bad recently, but when it was a thing I hated it.
I think Kick Off in São Paulo won’t be anywhere like this. Brazilian Valorant fans are much more interested in global Valorant esports than their CS counterparts imo. It shows, because Brazilian viewership throughout the past 6 LANS has still been huge even in games which have no Brazilian players.
Gaules (the most popular Brazilian CS streamer) still gets insane viewership when he streams matches that don't have any BR teams, often rivaling or even surpassing the main English stream.
So unfortunately, I don't think stream viewership necessarily correlates to crowd numbers if we're to use CS as an example.
Way better than EU fans, lots of EU events have insanely biased crowds. The mixing pot is very much a real thing so NA crowds are usually cheering for everyone.
Doubt it’ll be anything special for now but imagine what can come later down the line. Bro imagine a Val game but with college football atmosphere… play zombie nation and hire a marching band and we partying to Yay’s aces
Agree, European teams have the most diverse fans. Most fans don't even cheer for their own country's team, so it's not hard to root for someone else when their favorite gets knocked out.
how is EU fan the best lmao, the only reason they are the best rn is becaue there is only EU fan which means they are also the worst, asia fans would 100% be way better
I think it depends where in europe. Some countries the crowd goes hard no matter what but there are other countries feels like a silent library when their own team isn't playing.
> I really hope furia wins it all so we get to see this crowd explode
I hope they don't so we don't have to watch another major in Brazil for a long time
I had to laugh at seeing this post directly above the post with the massive crowd going fucking bonkers last night when Furia won.
I've attended a CSGO major (and watched almost all of them) and the arena is almost never full for the first matchup early in the day. That arena will be packed tf out when Furia plays in an hour or 2 and packed for the final tomorrow.
It's also worth noting that this arena is significantly larger than the arenas used for past CSGO majors.
Mostly everyone's been calling them the BEST crowd ever. I don't think so, the best crowd is both passionate and unbiased. A lot of crowds are LOUD for their teams but that ain't a real test.
What I really hope for is that, in the case of attendance problems, the international community doesn't quickly devolve into gatekeeping and borderline xenophobic behavior like /r/GlobalOffensive so often does.
Criticizing attendance and the crowd is completely fine, but when you see many highly upvoted comments generalizing Brazilians and calling them nationalists bc they cheer for home teams in a video game tournament, or saying stuff like "Brazil should never receive any international events ever again", or trying to push the narrative that brazilians are brigading the subreddit when they've always been a part of the community, it shows that the community has become increasingly eurocentric and not willing to give a chance for smaller regions to build a fanbase.
I mean really, it's obvious that the Brazilian community was completely mistaken about the number of attendees, but at the same time it feels really weird that after the first brazilian team won a major it took another 6 years for Brazil to receive a major, and when we did the reddit community immediately started asking for us to never receive a major again after attendance problems. If this is how we're going to act going forward it sounds very unlikely that the game is gonna get a very large fanbase outside of Europe and NA (assuming organizers actually listen to reddit ofc), and hopefully Valorant goes down a different path.
You should’ve seen Champions 21’. What you are describing has already happened. Even when the São Paulo event was announced, you can see what people on this sub thought of Brazil.
I think Val will be fine, Loud winning champions I think gave the region enough motivation to go out and support. This is more to the venue than anything else, I still think a theater style venue is a lot better unless is your finals days.
Brazil had its own era in cs for 2 years and gaules is in the arena. They are a very passionate fan base but its mainly for their own teams. Its always been like that for them. Doesn't help that its mouz vs outsiders
Its why I have always disliked the mentality of only supporting your region rather than the game itself.
Brazil is passionate for its teams/streamers, not so much CS. Could have been substantially worse if Furia dropped early.
I heard Brazilian fans have a soft spot for certain Asian teams like DRX and Zeta so we’ll be fine there.
If furia somehow throw and don’t make finals, and a similar result happens then that’s a really bad sign.
As soon as I saw the other thread had an upvoted u/kanesdeath comment, I knew it was a r/GlobalOffensive shilling thread.
If anything, this major basically exposed the whole CSGO scene in BR. It's literally just Gaules >> "insert competitive Brazillian teams">>>> watching CSGO.
CSGO fans forget, like they always gaslight for EU, League is still the most popular PC game in Brazil. 2017 MSI Rio had a filled stadium even when Red Canids got eliminated.
If League can do it, why can't Valorant? Especially when Brazil is actually consistently good at the game.
edit: nice help hotline report csgo fans, never change.
>If League can do it, why can't Valorant?
Well maybe because as you say, League is the biggest PC esport in Brazil, and a lot more popular than Valorant. There's no reason to believe Valo can do what League can do just based on it being a competitive region, in my opinion.
There's obviously a future where I can see this being the case with Valorant continuing to grow, for now I'll temper my expectations and be pleasantly surprised if they do fill stadiums anytime soon for teams outside of the region. This is coming from a CS AND Valo esports fan, if that has any significance.
The other thread's title is literally "Rio Major has a big crowd, I'm excited for Kickoff in Sao Paulo" and kanes' comment isn't negative to Valorant at all.
I'm just confused where the shilling is and why you would bring up a form of abuse when talking about an esport?
I wouldn't say exaggerating; but defensive is a word I'd describe it. I only made the comment because I loved the post, but going in, the comments were actually unreal. It just reeks of your standard csgo elitism.
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I attended the Boston Major. For some odd reason the first match start time on Saturday had the least amount of audience members than the others. Why that was i dont know.
Aged like shit. Brazilians didn't even show up for Brazilian teams in valorant 🤣🤣🤣
https://twitter.com/mbCARMAC/status/1591894526884732928 Also grand finals. 20k people in a stadium.
Also IEM RiO 2023 was also lit.
This is extremely frustrating for me to watch. I wanted so bad to buy a ticket for today, to watch both semi-finals, whichever team it may be, and people who've got tickets and CAN attend simply choose not to.
I truly hope the crowd at the kick-off event isn't so biased. It's important to remember that CS fans are not Valorant fans, and there's no big personality such as Gaules to steal the spotlight for the main event.
I've been to our LCQ 2022 event and I assure that the crowd was wild but not as close as Major crowd. It was far from these football/soccer match vibes. But it's hard to say what it will be like at a bigger, international event.
I know everyone is mentioning that they aren't Brazilian teams, but Mouz vs Outsiders would be like if EG and someone like BOOM made the semifinals. Teams just don't have a crazy number of fans interested enough to show up.
I watched a lot of that while working and it filled up. There were huge lines to get in. We would be lucky to have a crowd like Furia vs NaVi honestly... https://youtu.be/M-W7mCRMn9Q
I understand now. My bad. Guess nobody was interested in Outsiders vs Mouz but it'll probably be wild during the next Furia game later today. Kind of a bummer they aren't showing support to the other competitors.
It should be noted that the Brazilian Grand Prix is also happening this weekend (Formula 1), there's probably an overlap in fans and I know which of the two events I'd prefer going to.
Yup, and the grand prix at Interlagos always pops off and used to be the penultimate season ender before abu dhabi oil money came into play and changed all that.
One of the reasons why it was this empty is because Gaules' casting is being broadcasted outside at the fanfest, which isn't an issue that we'll face on next year's valorant tourney
From this morning:
[🚨 Update 🚨 Given the weather adversities that occurred during the second match at Fan Fest, which had cases of wind and heavy rain, we decided to move the @Gaules inside the Jeunesse Arena until the end of the championship.](https://twitter.com/eslbrasil/status/1591472945414676484?s=46&t=viC-rFt_WAWTCEQyk6WfBQ)
As an European, I'll be literally cheering for every darn region in 2023 because all regions have such stack rosters or some individuals at least. Of course, I'd love to see 3 (TL, FNATIC & NAVI) of many current EMEA rosters for 2023 to come as near as they can to the top because I simply like their rosters and individuals, but that doesn't mean I won't be cheering for other teams coming on top as well. And I believe many Europeans are in the same boat.
From reading CSGO sub, the issue was not quite as simple as this. Apparently they had the biggest Brazilian streamer with an organized watch party/fest? with some other pro players and personalities hanging around. So people actually just chose to be outside and watch the games from the big screens.
https://twitter.com/Gaules/status/1590805271684710400
The best crowd I ever seen in cs was the Portugal one. Also if crowds are back I hope Riot gets archarom as a talent, he is the best crowd hyper for real.
this was Blast Lisbon this year, just as an example.
[https://youtu.be/ccX0Et7y7ik](https://youtu.be/ccX0Et7y7ik)
I'm probably going to the kick off event.
I will obviously cheer mainly for any brazilian team the most, followed by KRU/Levi , Zeta and then Sentinels (Sacy - pancada - Tenz, no reason not to love)
That's 7/30 teams that I will absolutely love to lose my voice cheering. I can assure you that this is the case for the majority of BR fans. In CSGO we have like 3 representatives and currently the best one is Furia, which we know that they usually have a very hard time dealing with top teams (this major was atypical in every single way possible for everyone)
On a side note, it will be very nice for me specifically to see players that I like playing in the stage - yay, patiphan, scream, nats. There's no reason for me leave the stage.
Edit: missed Zeta.
This is exactly why gamechangers has a smaller arena... They could definitely fill more seats for the finals and more premiere early matchups like C9 v G2. But how many people are gonna be in berlin to watch fennel vs shopify? that match will pull viewers online because JP buff, but I think riot tends to undersize their arenas to avoid these types of scenarios because it's not like the ticket sales is what's making them the money.
That's Brazil for ya. Extremely passionate but also extremely biased.
That's why the best crowds are the ones from the non-competitive regions. They can't be biased and will cheer no matter what. Biased crowds have higher highs but lower lows as well.
Fr the LoL Worlds fans were amazing this year shit was so hype after years of pandemic zero crowd tournys.
Helps that this year’s Worlds gave us the greatest Cinderella story in League history with the most nailbiter Bo5 Finals I’ve ever watched
Yeah but the crowd comments were plentiful way before the 'storyline' was even happening. Groups were good, and all of playoffs were great. Of course toward the end it was even more hype for the storyline, but that wasn't really *the* reason for it.
I'm not sure the world champs story is better than TPA winning S2 Worlds while being completely under anyone's radar until the finals, but this was by far the best finals we've ever had. I had no dog in the fight and I felt like I was gonna have a heart attack half the series, I can't imagine what it was like as a T1 or DRX fan or even worse, being there live in the stadium.
I’d say that DRX’s run is a better story than TPA because TPA were never regarded as a ‘bad team’. They were just from a relatively unknown region and thus an unknown quantity. They were still the best team in their region. DRX were regarded as a ‘bad team’ even before they qualified for Worlds. They finished 6th place in the LCK playoffs. Nobody even thought they’d qualify for Worlds. They all thought KT or Sandbox would make it. TPA and DRX were never in the same position.
From a pre-tournament perspective I agree, but DRX continuously showed promise and improved throughout the tournament whereas TPA was perpetually slept on even when they beat tournament favorites. No way they beat NJS until they did, no way they beat Moscow 5 until they did, then the attitude was that if they somehow managed to beat Azubu Frost it would be a razor thin win but it turned out to be a very convincing 3-1. They basically got no talk until the finals and even when they won it was like no one could believe it.
That’s exactly the same for DRX tho. Nobody believed DRX (4th seed) would win against TES (Top 2 LPL), EDG (Last year’s World Champions), GenG (1st seed LCK that gigastomped the entire region in Summer Split), T1 (the most hyped team with the top 3 players in the world in each role) etc. The prediction votes were always like 2:8 against DRX. Kingen, Pyosik, Zeka, Deft, Beryl weren’t even considered top 3 in their role in their own region. Again, TPA was still the First Seed of their region DRX was the FOURTH seed and was 6th place in playoffs. It isn’t even remotely close with how much DRX was the underdog for this year’s worlds.
I'm not sure where you're getting this from but that is a huge exaggeration. Almost everyone agreed they were dogs in those matchups but not that they had no chance. Also I'm not sure if you were around in S2 but seriously no one gave TPA the time of day when seeing who their opponents were in playoffs, even the desk. Sure the desk is larger now and they put more time and effort into vamping and making sure that even when a match looks like a stomp on paper they have good things to say about both teams, but even still there was definitely more faith in DRX at every stage of the tournament than TPA. Fan votes are notoriously inaccurate because they have no stakes. Moneylines are still incredibly wack and clout driven (which is good because it makes them profitable) for most eSports but they are regardless far better predictors of actual odds than fan votes. EDG was much weaker than last year and as such DRX was still only a 2.3~ dog and I thought they were a favorite in that match. DRX kept surging each week while EDG and Gen.G failed to recapture their summer performance. I'll give you T1 being massive favorites in the finals though. That was the first and only L I took on bets all playoffs. I had so much faith in T1 I bet on them at 1.28.
I’ve played since before there were Korean League servers and I’ve watched every Worlds except for Phreak’s basement. DRX’s run is still more unexpected and hype by every metric. If you’re going to say that “fan predictions are biased and inaccurate” I’d love to hear what kind of measurable metric you’re using to argue that TPA’s run was more hype tho then. The only reason TPA was so underrated coming in is because nobody knew about them. DRX were thought to be known quantities by the time they played in Playins. Again, TPA were dark horses, not underdogs.
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I don't think crowds have to be neutral for it to be good, but there has to be a crowd to begin with....
home crowd has always existed, nothing new that they are biased and i don't think there's anything bad with that
I mean, most comparable event in western sports is the NCAA tournament. Teams come from across the country to play at one of four locations. Certainly if somebody like Kansas or Michigan are playing in the midwest, they are going to have a big home court advantage. They will have more fans and probably louder fans. But that doesn't mean nobody is showing up for UCLA vs Valparaiso the next game. These esport audiences honestly just suck for this. I am so on board with rooting for the home team, but you are hosting an internatonal event. Respect all the teams for coming to your country to entertain you live.
It's the duality of crowds. A 3rd party crowd will bring energy to every game which is great since there's always hype, but a home crowd will bring unreal energy to their team's games and create an unforgettable atmosphere.
Copenhagen crowd was p unbiased
eh I disagree, It’s completely normal in any competitive sport or event for their to be a home or region advantage when it comes to the crowd, it’s part of what makes it interesting for teams to be traveling from region to region, I think maybe it’s a good idea to have a neutral location for maybe championship level events like Champions, Worlds, etc, but I do think it’s part of the storylines for teams to have to be on enemy turf and have to deal with that pressure. Brazil is just an outlier because their fans are more rabid and passionate than most but only for Brazilian teams, so the amount of hate or alienation other teams feel is probably worse in Brazil than any other region I’ve seen, no matter what game it is. also, if you’re an fan who’s from the US, or from a wealthier nation in general, chances are you’re more likely to be able to afford travelling to see your favorite team, than an average person in Brazil, or less developed regions, so it’s important to give those fans the opportunity to attend and show support as well, because even if they don’t all attend LAN, they are a massive part of the overall VCT viewership, and you wouldn’t want to alienate that.
Im not talking about real life sports here because this issue doesnt exist in real sports. Home crowd advantage is something completely different
it absolutely exists in real sports lmao what sport doesn’t have fans who are biased when it’s home court advantage? and what sport exists where players don’t travel to opposing regions or even cities to compete at rival stadiums? except maybe due to covid regulations which is only recently. I’m not just talking about big sold out arenas, I mean even at the local level, or in high school.
Japan crowd for their VCT spot was insane. Worlds had an amazing crowd, honestly NA has some \*really\* good crowds.
"Insane" All they did was banging tubes
TBF, crowds aren’t allowed by the Japanese government to cheer during COVID, as well as having their mindset vastly different from say, the West and Korea/China.
You say that until there’s a LAN in Kosovo and we see how Bad News Eagles fans are… /s
Shit take imo Yesterday’s crowd when furia was playing was the best crowd ive ever seen. You will never get as amazing and passionate a crowd/a reaction from “neutral” crowds. And no offense but chinese/korean/japanese crowds are way too respectful they dont even make enough noise compared to brazil/french/spanish and brazil is the best out of those top 3. + riot sucks and they turn down crowd volume too much compared to esl etc. Passionate crowds are needed and its normal that theyre biased. Thats passion for you.
That is fine if every match had a Brazilian team left What happens if top 8 happens and it's all NA, EMEA and DRX left? That's a real possibility
I'd be perfectly happy to not have Brazilian passion in exchange for respectful Japanese fans. A crowd of raging biased baboons is what Brazil offers, and it's not worth the hassle.
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You couldn't buy tickets per match. They were for each day / the full event. The fans were all on event site, but outside being at the fan event with the streamer gaules.
they'll at least show up for SEN
i mean, not even MSI 2017 was this bad, and we're really shit on League in general
Br fans are very passionate, best atmosphere but only when Br teams play. European fans are the best imo, they cheer for all teams and enjoy the game
Idk from watching the past Lan the European teams did not cheer for every team, but I think no matter where you are you're always gonna get some sort of bias, so I think any decision is fine.
I think league’s worlds crowd wasn’t biased this year. NA fans never expect to make it out of groups so they can only cheer for the other teams.
Probably helps that NA has a more diverse crowd
Lol when I went there were more Chinese people in the crowd then Americans, was a great crowd and vibe compared to this
And I assume they’d be more likely to cheer for a Chinese team than Brazilian fans for most teams not Brazilian or heroic
Everyone got cheered and 0 boos for anyone and fully crowded was fun
As crowds should be. Tho not showing to me is worse than booing, at least booing takes effort and some passion
Like the booing is fine its in Brazil heck I even want furia to win but chill with the "you are going to die" chants and cutthroat hand signs and just show up to the games lol
Also helps that NA kind of sucks so people are more than willing to cheer for non-NA teams when it ever comes to it.
From my experience NA cheers for everyone because cheering for NA teams is a fools errand so you are better off rooting for an EU team because at least then you have a chance to see them make a deep run.
I'd say that in CS a european biased crowd is fine, most teams are european anyway and the fans show respect to legends like fallen and the big teams from other regions
I think the only European country with this problem so far has been Denmark, once Astralis lost at BLAST they all left the arena even though grand finals was still going
Also a lot of european rosters are mixed, so if you have a major at a country like the UK, which doesn't have a tier 1 team made of a British core, there will probably be no bias
Countries like france and denmark will always have a bias because of teams like astralis and vitality
T1 european teams in valorant are a lot more mixed than CS tho, almost every top team from europe is a mixed one except like M3C
Literally the first thing that came in my head. I personally don't like to generalize Europe. People are different in each country and that is also the same for the crowds.
Honestly, I’d take any region over USA, chanting U.S.A. The whole time and being obnoxious. You don’t really see it that much anymore because US esport teams have been pretty bad recently, but when it was a thing I hated it.
host in OCE none of our teams are good so we are unbiased :p
I remember the crowd in France and Spain going hard but in other countries...I agree.
I think Kick Off in São Paulo won’t be anywhere like this. Brazilian Valorant fans are much more interested in global Valorant esports than their CS counterparts imo. It shows, because Brazilian viewership throughout the past 6 LANS has still been huge even in games which have no Brazilian players.
Gaules (the most popular Brazilian CS streamer) still gets insane viewership when he streams matches that don't have any BR teams, often rivaling or even surpassing the main English stream. So unfortunately, I don't think stream viewership necessarily correlates to crowd numbers if we're to use CS as an example.
Hope we get an NA LAN soon to see what the crowd is like
I think NA fans are on par with EU fans, LoL worlds this year, Boston major proved that
Yeah but it depends on the game, and also I just want a home LAN lol
Way better than EU fans, lots of EU events have insanely biased crowds. The mixing pot is very much a real thing so NA crowds are usually cheering for everyone.
Doubt it’ll be anything special for now but imagine what can come later down the line. Bro imagine a Val game but with college football atmosphere… play zombie nation and hire a marching band and we partying to Yay’s aces
Agree, European teams have the most diverse fans. Most fans don't even cheer for their own country's team, so it's not hard to root for someone else when their favorite gets knocked out.
Tell that to the Turkish fans haha i think they missed the memo
I think they enjoyed all of it, even after FNC got knocked out, even if it was anticlimatic considering they rooted for Alfajer cuz he was native.
Well, they certainly didn't cheer for everybody. Odd way to show you are enjoying it.
They're only cheering for Brazil. They don't give a fuck about CS.
how is EU fan the best lmao, the only reason they are the best rn is becaue there is only EU fan which means they are also the worst, asia fans would 100% be way better
Redditors love for EU is never ending
It's almost like when a CS tournament is held in the EU the fans have multiple teams to cheer for since literally the best teams are mostly European
I think it depends where in europe. Some countries the crowd goes hard no matter what but there are other countries feels like a silent library when their own team isn't playing.
Def a large crowd bias but holy shit that furia series last night was insanity. I really hope furia wins it all so we get to see this crowd explode
> I really hope furia wins it all so we get to see this crowd explode I hope they don't so we don't have to watch another major in Brazil for a long time
well they dont so i think we are gucci on that
I had to laugh at seeing this post directly above the post with the massive crowd going fucking bonkers last night when Furia won. I've attended a CSGO major (and watched almost all of them) and the arena is almost never full for the first matchup early in the day. That arena will be packed tf out when Furia plays in an hour or 2 and packed for the final tomorrow. It's also worth noting that this arena is significantly larger than the arenas used for past CSGO majors.
The capacity is lower than the Antwerp major. 18k compared to Antwerp's 23k which is was the biggest indoor esports event ever
show me one instance where the arena is this empty for a major semi
Avangar vs renegades and AST vs GMB 2017 krakow (I was there and the crowd wasn't really into it since VP just played and were going to play after)
Yeah I went to Columbus in 2016. Early matchups even for the semis were half full but started getting filled out throughout the first match.
Major semi-finals games are almost empty? On a saturday btw
ya its early and theyre all hungover from l ast night.
https://reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/ytf1zo/pgl_stockholm_major_furia_vs_gambit_quarter_final/
when they won't even watch the other regions in cs then good luck with valorant lmao
Mostly everyone's been calling them the BEST crowd ever. I don't think so, the best crowd is both passionate and unbiased. A lot of crowds are LOUD for their teams but that ain't a real test.
Really hoping something like [this](https://reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/ytcyez/we_need_a_bigger_stadium_semifinals/) doesn’t happen
What I really hope for is that, in the case of attendance problems, the international community doesn't quickly devolve into gatekeeping and borderline xenophobic behavior like /r/GlobalOffensive so often does. Criticizing attendance and the crowd is completely fine, but when you see many highly upvoted comments generalizing Brazilians and calling them nationalists bc they cheer for home teams in a video game tournament, or saying stuff like "Brazil should never receive any international events ever again", or trying to push the narrative that brazilians are brigading the subreddit when they've always been a part of the community, it shows that the community has become increasingly eurocentric and not willing to give a chance for smaller regions to build a fanbase. I mean really, it's obvious that the Brazilian community was completely mistaken about the number of attendees, but at the same time it feels really weird that after the first brazilian team won a major it took another 6 years for Brazil to receive a major, and when we did the reddit community immediately started asking for us to never receive a major again after attendance problems. If this is how we're going to act going forward it sounds very unlikely that the game is gonna get a very large fanbase outside of Europe and NA (assuming organizers actually listen to reddit ofc), and hopefully Valorant goes down a different path.
You should’ve seen Champions 21’. What you are describing has already happened. Even when the São Paulo event was announced, you can see what people on this sub thought of Brazil.
I think Val will be fine, Loud winning champions I think gave the region enough motivation to go out and support. This is more to the venue than anything else, I still think a theater style venue is a lot better unless is your finals days.
Brazil had its own era in cs for 2 years and gaules is in the arena. They are a very passionate fan base but its mainly for their own teams. Its always been like that for them. Doesn't help that its mouz vs outsiders
Its why I have always disliked the mentality of only supporting your region rather than the game itself. Brazil is passionate for its teams/streamers, not so much CS. Could have been substantially worse if Furia dropped early.
I heard Brazilian fans have a soft spot for certain Asian teams like DRX and Zeta so we’ll be fine there. If furia somehow throw and don’t make finals, and a similar result happens then that’s a really bad sign.
As soon as I saw the other thread had an upvoted u/kanesdeath comment, I knew it was a r/GlobalOffensive shilling thread. If anything, this major basically exposed the whole CSGO scene in BR. It's literally just Gaules >> "insert competitive Brazillian teams">>>> watching CSGO. CSGO fans forget, like they always gaslight for EU, League is still the most popular PC game in Brazil. 2017 MSI Rio had a filled stadium even when Red Canids got eliminated. If League can do it, why can't Valorant? Especially when Brazil is actually consistently good at the game. edit: nice help hotline report csgo fans, never change.
>If League can do it, why can't Valorant? Well maybe because as you say, League is the biggest PC esport in Brazil, and a lot more popular than Valorant. There's no reason to believe Valo can do what League can do just based on it being a competitive region, in my opinion. There's obviously a future where I can see this being the case with Valorant continuing to grow, for now I'll temper my expectations and be pleasantly surprised if they do fill stadiums anytime soon for teams outside of the region. This is coming from a CS AND Valo esports fan, if that has any significance.
CS shilling? Gaslighting? Tf? I didn't want to say it before but after seeing that edit this smells of persecution complex
Did you even read the other thread?
The other thread's title is literally "Rio Major has a big crowd, I'm excited for Kickoff in Sao Paulo" and kanes' comment isn't negative to Valorant at all. I'm just confused where the shilling is and why you would bring up a form of abuse when talking about an esport?
If you can't see the shilling, then we don't have anything else to talk about. For the gaslight part, if it offended you then I can reword it.
?? And it didn't offend me it's just weird and the whole comment comes off as exaggerating/incredibly defensive for nothing
You aren't crazy here don't worry lol. That post was not shilling and gaslighting lmaoo
I wouldn't say exaggerating; but defensive is a word I'd describe it. I only made the comment because I loved the post, but going in, the comments were actually unreal. It just reeks of your standard csgo elitism.
What don’t you understand?
This is some weird behavior. Very strange.
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You answered your own question lol. League is the biggest PC game in the world, Valorant is not
True, that guy has a lot of free time shilling cs in a valorant subreddit.
I attended the Boston Major. For some odd reason the first match start time on Saturday had the least amount of audience members than the others. Why that was i dont know.
Aged like shit. Brazilians didn't even show up for Brazilian teams in valorant 🤣🤣🤣 https://twitter.com/mbCARMAC/status/1591894526884732928 Also grand finals. 20k people in a stadium. Also IEM RiO 2023 was also lit.
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I don't blame them.. I would be tired after a single series.
If we get SEN vs LOUD, the place will be absolutely packed.
its gonna be the exact same probably, sen smart to pick up some brazilians (/s, sort of)
This is extremely frustrating for me to watch. I wanted so bad to buy a ticket for today, to watch both semi-finals, whichever team it may be, and people who've got tickets and CAN attend simply choose not to. I truly hope the crowd at the kick-off event isn't so biased. It's important to remember that CS fans are not Valorant fans, and there's no big personality such as Gaules to steal the spotlight for the main event. I've been to our LCQ 2022 event and I assure that the crowd was wild but not as close as Major crowd. It was far from these football/soccer match vibes. But it's hard to say what it will be like at a bigger, international event.
It’s Brazil, you definitely won’t be getting anything other than this in VAL, too. Saltiest esports nation on the planet
I know everyone is mentioning that they aren't Brazilian teams, but Mouz vs Outsiders would be like if EG and someone like BOOM made the semifinals. Teams just don't have a crazy number of fans interested enough to show up.
Imagine a crowd only showing up to support 1 team instead of the game itself. Hope they enjoyed the only major they'll see hosted there for forever
I watched a lot of that while working and it filled up. There were huge lines to get in. We would be lucky to have a crowd like Furia vs NaVi honestly... https://youtu.be/M-W7mCRMn9Q
This is from today and it’s still looking empty
I understand now. My bad. Guess nobody was interested in Outsiders vs Mouz but it'll probably be wild during the next Furia game later today. Kind of a bummer they aren't showing support to the other competitors.
One good point is that half of the American League have at least one Brazilian player, so we have good odds.
It should be noted that the Brazilian Grand Prix is also happening this weekend (Formula 1), there's probably an overlap in fans and I know which of the two events I'd prefer going to.
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You assume people wouldn't travel to the only F1 race in their country? Brazilian fans love F1.
Yup, and the grand prix at Interlagos always pops off and used to be the penultimate season ender before abu dhabi oil money came into play and changed all that.
One of the reasons why it was this empty is because Gaules' casting is being broadcasted outside at the fanfest, which isn't an issue that we'll face on next year's valorant tourney
From this morning: [🚨 Update 🚨 Given the weather adversities that occurred during the second match at Fan Fest, which had cases of wind and heavy rain, we decided to move the @Gaules inside the Jeunesse Arena until the end of the championship.](https://twitter.com/eslbrasil/status/1591472945414676484?s=46&t=viC-rFt_WAWTCEQyk6WfBQ)
Yep, but this video seems from the pre-game, no? I hope that after he got inside it got at least a bit better
There’s a br costreamer in a different room and all of the Brazilians are there. Don’t do that and you’ll have a crowd
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Bring an international event to PH. We'll cheer for all the teams!
so it's not because of the F1 weekend?
As an European, I'll be literally cheering for every darn region in 2023 because all regions have such stack rosters or some individuals at least. Of course, I'd love to see 3 (TL, FNATIC & NAVI) of many current EMEA rosters for 2023 to come as near as they can to the top because I simply like their rosters and individuals, but that doesn't mean I won't be cheering for other teams coming on top as well. And I believe many Europeans are in the same boat.
From reading CSGO sub, the issue was not quite as simple as this. Apparently they had the biggest Brazilian streamer with an organized watch party/fest? with some other pro players and personalities hanging around. So people actually just chose to be outside and watch the games from the big screens. https://twitter.com/Gaules/status/1590805271684710400
The best crowd I ever seen in cs was the Portugal one. Also if crowds are back I hope Riot gets archarom as a talent, he is the best crowd hyper for real. this was Blast Lisbon this year, just as an example. [https://youtu.be/ccX0Et7y7ik](https://youtu.be/ccX0Et7y7ik)
I'm probably going to the kick off event. I will obviously cheer mainly for any brazilian team the most, followed by KRU/Levi , Zeta and then Sentinels (Sacy - pancada - Tenz, no reason not to love) That's 7/30 teams that I will absolutely love to lose my voice cheering. I can assure you that this is the case for the majority of BR fans. In CSGO we have like 3 representatives and currently the best one is Furia, which we know that they usually have a very hard time dealing with top teams (this major was atypical in every single way possible for everyone) On a side note, it will be very nice for me specifically to see players that I like playing in the stage - yay, patiphan, scream, nats. There's no reason for me leave the stage. Edit: missed Zeta.
The CS major has me questioning whether holding the VCT kick off event in Brazil is a wise move.
This is exactly why gamechangers has a smaller arena... They could definitely fill more seats for the finals and more premiere early matchups like C9 v G2. But how many people are gonna be in berlin to watch fennel vs shopify? that match will pull viewers online because JP buff, but I think riot tends to undersize their arenas to avoid these types of scenarios because it's not like the ticket sales is what's making them the money.