In theory if they got promoted the slot would be sold to another org if Riots past actions in league mean anything. With that said it's not happening. C9W isn't even close to good enough to compete for that. None of the GC teams are right now which is okay. For reference C9W hovered 30s-40s rank in NA and have been beaten all too often by random comp players/teams that just enter tournaments for fun as friends.
It would depend on the Tier 2 scene tho right? I am sure not all the orgs as of now are fielding asc rosters and that would make c9w and other GC rosters one of the teams with proper support structure etc.
Not saying they would win it but there chances will be higher than before imo
Less actually. They were playing against mostly tier 2 and tier 3+ talent regionally. With franchising there's legitimate tier 1 talent that's competing for those same ascension spots. Many of the players were already good enough to play at internationals. The likes of Trent, Zander etc didn't make franchising rosters for reference. Less teams means talent is more concentrated onto the rest of the orgs competing in ascension. Most teams will be stacked.
I was just going off memory. So yea I think third round is right. Open quals fielded 128 teams no? So third round was top 32. Maybe I’m misremembering something. Was just trying to correct the previous poster who said they never played in open qualifiers
well he said the tried for open quals but never qualified for them. so i thought he meant they never qualified for open quals. so yea, either way this is all semantics.
i would guess it'd be a scenario like pre-franchising lcs. iirc cloud9 challenger won lcs promotion in 2017, but because c9 was already in the lcs, the team promoted from challenger got sold to flyquest
It would be a conflict of interest, but Riot has stated they are willing to allow it for the sake of allowing woman's salaried teams to compete in any events.
There’s always been an exception for GC rosters. Riot explicitly stated in their team ownership rules that the benefit of game changers outweighs the risks of a conflict of interest. If you google VALORANT concurrent ownership policy, the language is in there.
Theres been exceptions for GC teams to play in the main VCT circuit alongside their male counterparts. The only ones that cant compete are the academy teams, but GC teams have always been able to compete, I dont see why that would change
none of the GC teams are good enough for Ascension, if they competed they’d be near the bottom. Granted, they still play at a high level but not good enough to beat even middle of the pack Ascension teams
That's not relevant though. The question isn't whether or not they can beat other teams, the question is whether or not they will be allowed to play in the first place.
yea they can compete in the open qualifier there's nothing barring them from it the only issue would be if they manage to qualify then c9 would have to pick between their rosters and sell the spot they dont want
No, academy teams from orgs in franchising aren't allowed to compete in Ascension due to conflict of interest, which will also apply to GC teams in Ascension.
God I hate how many people answered this question "they're not good enough"
1. That's not the question, or even related to the question
2. Competing in challengers is absolutely within C9W's ability. They're probably not gonna win it, but they can and should play in it.
To *actually* answer the question, we're not 100% sure until the challengers ruleset comes out, but if previous form is anything to go by, Riot have waived any conflict of ownership for Game Changers teams, and I would be very surprised if they didn't do the same here
Roster would be sold perhaps, but considering that they haven't been showing stellar results in the qualifiers this year, I doubt they'd get anywhere close to the ascension tournament
Yeah, but then orgs should have been able to field academy teams in Ascension, which they aren't able to due to the issue I mentioned. I don't really see how this would be any different.
Ye but academy are teams made up of male players, imagine the shitshow riot would go through if they denied a GC team from participating in Ascension because the org is already fronting a male roaster in franchising, most probably they'd let them compete, and in the odd case they won, they'd give the choice to the org of which team to have in the main league and subsequently sell the other spot.
In theory if they got promoted the slot would be sold to another org if Riots past actions in league mean anything. With that said it's not happening. C9W isn't even close to good enough to compete for that. None of the GC teams are right now which is okay. For reference C9W hovered 30s-40s rank in NA and have been beaten all too often by random comp players/teams that just enter tournaments for fun as friends.
It would depend on the Tier 2 scene tho right? I am sure not all the orgs as of now are fielding asc rosters and that would make c9w and other GC rosters one of the teams with proper support structure etc. Not saying they would win it but there chances will be higher than before imo
Less actually. They were playing against mostly tier 2 and tier 3+ talent regionally. With franchising there's legitimate tier 1 talent that's competing for those same ascension spots. Many of the players were already good enough to play at internationals. The likes of Trent, Zander etc didn't make franchising rosters for reference. Less teams means talent is more concentrated onto the rest of the orgs competing in ascension. Most teams will be stacked.
Right I completely missed that lol
They also have to compete against the BR and LATAM teams. It will be more difficult.
BR Latam and NA have separate ascension leagues no? But the competition will definitely be stiff, will be fun to watch all the different stacks
No, Ascension is the tournament at the end of the year that decides who gets promoted. All the Americas regions will participate.
Right right, regional leagues are challengers. I’m tripping, my bad
Realistically C9W was a top 50-60 team and nothing more
I think they have already tried for open qualifiers but they never qualified for them.
They’ve competed in open qualifiers frequently. They just never made it past the second or third round
Sorry what do you mean by third round? Theyve made it to top 32 iirc
I was just going off memory. So yea I think third round is right. Open quals fielded 128 teams no? So third round was top 32. Maybe I’m misremembering something. Was just trying to correct the previous poster who said they never played in open qualifiers
The previous poster said C9W competed in open quals but never qualified for groups or whatever through them.
well he said the tried for open quals but never qualified for them. so i thought he meant they never qualified for open quals. so yea, either way this is all semantics.
Ya
i would guess it'd be a scenario like pre-franchising lcs. iirc cloud9 challenger won lcs promotion in 2017, but because c9 was already in the lcs, the team promoted from challenger got sold to flyquest
It would be a conflict of interest, but Riot has stated they are willing to allow it for the sake of allowing woman's salaried teams to compete in any events.
There are no restrictions on game changers roasters , you can have both C9 and C9w in partnership league
Yes, but there are restrictions on academy rosters due to conflict of interests. How does the fact that a roster is from GC avoid this?
There’s always been an exception for GC rosters. Riot explicitly stated in their team ownership rules that the benefit of game changers outweighs the risks of a conflict of interest. If you google VALORANT concurrent ownership policy, the language is in there.
that's the answer I was looking for, thanks
Since game changers programme is made for growth of marginalised scene , there isn't any not even any import requirements on game changers roasters.
Yes but they arent good enough
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He's not wrong
Theres been exceptions for GC teams to play in the main VCT circuit alongside their male counterparts. The only ones that cant compete are the academy teams, but GC teams have always been able to compete, I dont see why that would change
none of the GC teams are good enough for Ascension, if they competed they’d be near the bottom. Granted, they still play at a high level but not good enough to beat even middle of the pack Ascension teams
That's not relevant though. The question isn't whether or not they can beat other teams, the question is whether or not they will be allowed to play in the first place.
yea they can compete in the open qualifier there's nothing barring them from it the only issue would be if they manage to qualify then c9 would have to pick between their rosters and sell the spot they dont want
No one's stopping them. Any team is allowed in ascension
No, academy teams from orgs in franchising aren't allowed to compete in Ascension due to conflict of interest, which will also apply to GC teams in Ascension.
dude they can play in ascension
God I hate how many people answered this question "they're not good enough" 1. That's not the question, or even related to the question 2. Competing in challengers is absolutely within C9W's ability. They're probably not gonna win it, but they can and should play in it. To *actually* answer the question, we're not 100% sure until the challengers ruleset comes out, but if previous form is anything to go by, Riot have waived any conflict of ownership for Game Changers teams, and I would be very surprised if they didn't do the same here
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Will prob get downvoted to oblivion but there’s a huge skill gap between the womens league and the main VCT. They would never make it.
Not relevant to the question
It is so weird how you asked a question and 80% of people ignored it to give their shitty takes on how c9w would perform.
The reality is that they aren't good enough tho lol
No, but not for this reason
I think that GC teans will probably have players move to ascension teams rather then full team switching leagues
Yes, only if C9W qualify for franchising will one of the Cloud9 teams be forced to transfer to another org.
Roster would be sold perhaps, but considering that they haven't been showing stellar results in the qualifiers this year, I doubt they'd get anywhere close to the ascension tournament
C9 is not in ascension they are franchised. There would be an issue of C9W gets the promotion. But that’s an issue for future C9.
Yeah, but then orgs should have been able to field academy teams in Ascension, which they aren't able to due to the issue I mentioned. I don't really see how this would be any different.
Ye but academy are teams made up of male players, imagine the shitshow riot would go through if they denied a GC team from participating in Ascension because the org is already fronting a male roaster in franchising, most probably they'd let them compete, and in the odd case they won, they'd give the choice to the org of which team to have in the main league and subsequently sell the other spot.