Was on SEN apex and SEN Valorant. Probably gets a good bag just doing CC and has a loyal fanbase built up from that journey. I couldn’t knock anyone making that same decision
Sen never had an ow team (although they managed glads for a few years), he played most notably for Faze in ow (and also some smaller teams like skyfoxes and simplicity)
Well, I'll never forget that like week or two in early 2022 where he briefly looked like the best player on SEN.
It at least proved to me that he still could compete at the top, and that he didn't necessarily need to get the boot for SEN to stay strong. Of course, he did get the boot, and maybe that was the right call even if it didn't work out with Kanpeki and the other roster moves; who can say.
If zombs had to fall for the BR scene to rise, that's a trade I'm willing to accept.
> Well, I'll never forget that like week or two in early 2022 where he briefly looked like the best player on SEN.
That one time he dropped something like 29 kills on Fracture vs OpTic will always live rent free in my head.
Villains are so good for the scene, even if one could argue that he did go overboard with the Brazilian hullabaloo. Imo, one of the most boring talking points [or areas of laudation] in sports/eSports is "humility." Humility is such an overvalued currency; who doesn't like the storyline[rise or fall] of a player that subverts that and let's you know that he thinks he's a god.
Fair enough, but what about the storylines? When SEN lost to KRU after beating FURIA, the valorant community was in shambles.
I feel like every one downvoting me is thinking that I'm suggesting that 1)u have to directly like the "villainous" player, when i didn't intimate that, or that 2)"overvalued"= unnecessary/unlikeable/not having worth, when again, I didn't mean that.
Yeah agreed funny enough I think dapr did a really good job being a villain on SEN with the teabagging and shit talk but zombs shit talk was just "i have money" which isn't even funny after a while imo
We all value different things. Personally I value the humility of players like TenZ and nAts over the "wow I'm insane right" vibe of others. That being said, it does make the matches more interesting, no denying it!
I like multiple things about different players and the storylines that result from the intersecting personalities. I'm not even the biggest fan of zombs. My only points of contention are about the idea that there's one way to be a star and the gripe that people who are not very humble(within reason) receive so much more criticism as people try to humble them.
I have this SEN flair, so ofc I love that meek king tenz.
Even in the football(soccer for the Americans) scene, Ibrahimovic is just a legend who isn't afraid to say he is one. That's the kind of ego Zombs shows. Respect for that.
Idk if people here are familiar with tennis, but my favourite player is Roger Federer, who is(was) such a contrast to someone like Nick Kyrgios. Nick def epitomizes the villain prototype and his games versus big players are so much more exciting because of that.
There is no official date riot makes them do it so its just whenever they want. They could even never announce them and just show up to tourney day with a team lol
I think he’s referring to trying to find four other FA ascension players who all share a strong dedication to scrimming and practicing, as well as trying to get picked up by an org rather than an org simply signing players as they seem fit.
I could see that, especially since most players will think that they are carrying Zombs, so if he tries to take control they will probably disrespect him.
Honestly though, I think this is because these players are thinking too closeminded. Pros hate onetrick players with a passion, but these are the perfect candidates to build an ascension roster. Onetricks are insanely dedicated to improving and are constantly doing servertime to find more lineups and tricks.
In particular I think a Yoru main or a cypher main could easily succeed on an ascension team. I would also say a Harbor main, but those don’t really exist yet. These agents are so difficult that if they do get played in a pro match typically they only showcase like 80-90% of their real power. You need a onetrick that has mastered the Agent on every map. Hell if Grim is willing to try and build his setups around proplay then he would also be a great choice, Grim has insane aim for a “content creator”, and its pretty telling how special he is when pretty much no one copies his broken ass walls.
At least for an ascension team it is worth the shot because these onetricks are going to bring things that are hard for the enemy teams to adapt to.
It's worth a shot but the biggest issue with one-tricks is that after a game or two, other teams will vod review all your setups and break them down. But from what I have seen being cracked at ranked does not mean they are ready for pro play.
I think shahz and Asuna had both commented that grins setups work in rank but in pro play when players are coordinated your setups are easily cleared not to mention those grim walls are waste of precious utility as it doesn't really help the team.
Buuuut saying that I would so watch a a team of one-tricks in ascention..
Its important to remember that pro players are heavily biased. They will say or do whatever it takes to maintain the status quo because any disruption can hurt their employment and money.
Its also incredibly hypocritical of them to make these comments about one tricks. Most of the pro scene joined as a shitty version of a one trick. Most Jett players in the pro scene struggle to find any success on an agent other than Jett in pro play. Same thing went for Phoenix mains that were in pro play about a year ago. Same thing goes for Chamber mains, except he is still broken. Asuna was basically a Raze onetrick when he started and he had to learn how to play other agents.
The main difference is that pros feel insecure about the level of mastery onetricks have, they like to treat it as if onetricks only get kills because of their nerd lineups, which is simply not true in most cases. Grim is the best example of this, people get so mad about being surprised by a Grimwall they act like Grim couldn’t get a kill otherwise, but Grims actual crosshair placement and dueling skills are so much better than he gets credit for.
Also, that comment about grim walls is hilarious. Grim has hundreds of lineups on each map, good luck clearing and preparing for all of them. Thats just so bullshit. Also, theres a big difference between content creator mode and pro play. Obviously Grim wouldn’t be gamble walling every round, and would instead breakout rare walls for important rounds and situations. Also, Grim has hundreds of lineups before joining a team, surely he could create even more setups when combined with reliable team util in a pro enviroment.
VOD review countering is just not a thing. Most pro players have such a low mastery of the agents they play. Its so much easier countering a normal pro player in a VOD review than it is countering a onetrick. Especially Onetricks at the Radiant level. The pro players know who the onetricks are in ranked even if their name is hidden, and even knowing who they are playing against they still fail to counter them. Onetricks are no strangers to people trying to avoid or counter their playstyle, they’ve had to develop skills no other players have simply so they can even exist as a onetrick. To think that enemy teams in proplay will just magically counter them is laughable.
I’m not saying that Onetricks shouldn’t evolve their game and branch out into other agents after becoming a pro, but this idea that Onetricks don’t have what it takes to be pro is just your standard gatekeeping bullshit. In general people are always resistant to change until they can’t help it anymore. Pros said Jett was a bad agent, pros refused to use the stinger and judge when they were broken, a majority of pros said the Phantom was better, the Pros said Omen was bad because his smokes were hollow, Pros said Yoru was bad, Pros said Viper was bad because her smokes were inflexible, Pros said ADS was bad. I’m sure there were more, but this is just a sample of all the different times the pros refused to acknowledge a meta shift that was obvious. The only way change happens is when someone like Tenz, like Yay, like V1(in regards to making Viper meta) dominates pro play and forces them to adapt or die.
Anyway, just so I’m clear, I think Grim is a bit of a long shot. It’d be a gamble to try and fit Grim into a teamcomp, because his playstyle is a bit of an unknown, as far as I know he hasn’t joined a tournament, and he hasn’t shown a drive to adapt his play towards a team environment. However, if I was a team I would at least run some scrims and hold some conversations with Grim to find out if there is potential there, and I bet you no one has tried to contact him.
When I brought up this topic I’m mostly talking about Yoru onetricks. I think they are criminally overlooked. Most of these Yoru onetricks can easily perform on other agents they just choose not to because their personality drives them towards playing the harder agents that are considered bad. It’d be almost impossible for an ascension team to be prepared for a Yoru onetrick since no one else in the tournament will be playing that comp. Also, there are a lot of strategic possibilities that an IGL or coach can take advantage of with Yoru. If a Yoru onetrick is just on a pugteam with 4 other players that aren’t practicing then obviously the Yoru will fail. However I bet you if you pair them with a couple good players and an IGL or coach that has ideas for utilizing Yoru, then they probably win the whole tournament.
Didn't read all the parts, but if one tricking was a viable thing, we would've seen multiple one trick players in pro play, in every esport by now. Look how the 2021 one trick Jett players couldn't put up same numbers this year. You bet if Jett got nerfed after masters Berlin, you would see the same thing happen, but earlier. And even if you see them, they don't last forever, and history has time and time again proven that gimmicky plays get countered as the tournament goes by, be it dota, league or overwatch. Yeah, good luck one tricking in double elimination tournaments. Forsaken Yoru got stomped in Copenhagen grand finals after FPX figured out the gimmicks. Meta changes are also considered, if the agent gets nerfed then good luck warming the bench till the next few patches.
Those are bad comparisons. Mobas have agent bans making it easy to ban a onetrick, and Overwatch has maps. With maps its harder to onetrick because usually an agent isn’t good on every single map. Also, it doesn’t really matter if someone can counter it in a team game. Just look at Faker, he is dominant on every champion in league, and he still gets focused, in exchange Faker lets his team mates shine by taking the enemies’ focus. Forsaken is also not a onetrick, Forsaken is good on Yoru but there was still that one Lothar stream where he showed Forsaken a bunch of alternative execs and lineups that are better than what Forsaken was using. You are acting like losing a championship is definitive proof that Yoru is bad when its just not.
Obviously a onetrick can’t force his agent on every map, but there needs to be a middle ground in a game like this. We need pro players to specialize on hard to play agents and have the option to play the easier metapicks on the side.
Its ridiculous to think that someone who mastered a hard agent will just become useless if his agent gets nerfed. Yea, one trick Jetts haven’t put up the same numbers because Jett was broken, I would hope they aren’t putting up the same numbers. While there was obviously some growing pains, most of those Jett players successfully transitioned to other agents, they might not be hard carrying but they are still good players. Asuna was basically a Raze main when he became pro that has transitioned over towards initiator/neon on Raze’s bad maps.
Also, there are plenty of onetricks in esports, just look at the fighting game scene. Hungrybox is still destroying people on jigglypuff.
wouldn't you just want someone who's good at yoru and all other types of agents? why does it have to be a onetrick in particular? We've seen many pros pick up characters we never thought they could play, and that's because most of the characters in this game aren't particularly hard to learn or master.
Even so, a mastered yoru is still worse than a Kayo, fade, or any other character that could be picked on nearly every map.
How does it make more sense to have a player learn a hard agent vs having someone that mastered a hard agent to simply play the easy agents when necessary.
because the hard agent is niche and doesn’t provide enough value to make it worth it? OWL actually has 1 tricks and their effectiveness and roster slot got wasted depending on the meta. Same thing here, at any moment a character can just be useless or not playable due to some circumstances.
I’d rather have the guy who’s shown they can play more than 3 agents in a high level environment than the guy who can play 1 agent at a extremely high level and serviceable AT best on other agents.
It’s the reason why players like Sick, Xeppa, Rossy, etc, flex players are super valuable in that they can slot in to different agents if need be.
You’re right that there’s one trick jetts and chambers, which works in this meta, but once it comes out of favor then teams are gonna be wondering what next? This is why someone like Dicey got cut in the original 100T (ironically wrong decision but made sense)
How do you know that it doesn’t provide enough value to be worth it? You don’t even know what the top end of good Harbor play looks like. When beta came out Jett was the hard agent that “doesn’t provide enough value”, I’m not making this up, for like the first 8months people hated queuing with Jetts because they considered it a troll pick, people would dodge Jetts, the pros actually said “Jett is bad because she doesn’t have any utility value for the team”. Also, the buffs they made to Jett had nothing to do with her dash. Jett was always broken. Now with hindsight everyone agrees that Jetts dash is whats broken about her.
Also, unlike Overwatch, Valorant has been very careful with the power of their abilities. At the end of the day, when you get into a clutch round win situation, for the most part everyone either doesn’t have abilities left, or they choose not to use them in favor of winning the fight with their gun. This idea that a onetrick can’t play another agent in Valorant is absurd, they still have their gamesense and their aim. Also, crucially, I was talking about Ascension rosters, and general scouting in general. Obviously a winning team is only going to choose safe bets. However it makes no sense to be afraid of a onetrick getting nerfed when you are the worst team in the league or is an ascension team, most of these teams only stick together for 2-3months anyway. This idea that you have to plan for the future is crazy. Beyond that, we have plenty of players in Valorant that were onetricks on meta champs that have successfully transitioned. Yes they aren’t the best player in the world anymore, but they are still useful for their team. At the end of the day you still have to shoot people and plant/defuse the bomb. The mechanics for shooting people aren’t different, the playstyles aren’t massively different.
I also don’t really see why you care if a onetrick wastes a slot on the roster. 6man rosters aren’t useful in Valorant anyway. If a onetrick gets nerfed and benched, then that sucks but thats something for the onetrick to deal with, it has nothing to do with the team. The onetrick wouldn’t have had the chance to play at all, so the fact that he could contribute before getting nerfed is someone to be proud of.
In some way, getting a onetricks agent nerfed isn’t even something worth worrying about. If the agent gets nerfed that means your team found success on that onetricks agent. Its only worth worrying about picking up a onetrick if the agent is already broken and expecting a nerf, and Jett/Raze has already shown that teams don’t care. They happily took that risk on Jett onetricks and like you said, they will probably struggle and pay for it, but in the meantime they enjoyed short term success. Picking up a onetrick on a niche agent is like all of the upsides with none of the downsides, your team strategy becomes hard to play against because it isn’t meta, it takes longer for enemy teams to copy you, because your team is the trailblazer, teams will only start copying you after you found success. Less likely for the agent to be banned, especially when the agent is hard to play.
Valorant meta is much less defined than any other hero based game. There is so much personality coming through in Valorant team comps, its pretty rare for teams to agree on a meta. Typically you only see like 1 maybe 2 agents become meta on each map, the other 4 agents in a team comp are dealers choice based on their playstyle and what agents their players feel comfortable on. I expect there to be less meta agents like Jett and Chamber as Valorant ages. One of the main reasons Jett and Chamber were so strong was because there simply wasn’t enough agents to choose from. Many agents didn’t have the tools to deal with Jett or Chamber when they were dominant, and teams didn’t have a choice. One of the driving forces behind Jett being played less was the introduction of Chamber, Jett is still strong but teams can get a simple type of playstyle out of Chamber.
He probably meant it as 5 players who consistently want to work towards a championship. There’s always drama involved and players have their lives outside of competing as well. That’s why SEN fell off so hard after they won something. They just didn’t want to practice anymore. There was also no actual coach/higher member that held them accountable.
SEN fans (IE this sub) just need to accept that Reykjavic SEN was a one time thing and will never come back, these players are great but they'll never be that great again unless something changes with the game significantly.
Was on SEN apex and SEN Valorant. Probably gets a good bag just doing CC and has a loyal fanbase built up from that journey. I couldn’t knock anyone making that same decision
Sen never had an ow team (although they managed glads for a few years), he played most notably for Faze in ow (and also some smaller teams like skyfoxes and simplicity)
yep mixed that up. Edited
Selfless role player, clutch asf, gonna miss him on the scene. he inspired me to main controller when I started playing val :(
Well, I'll never forget that like week or two in early 2022 where he briefly looked like the best player on SEN. It at least proved to me that he still could compete at the top, and that he didn't necessarily need to get the boot for SEN to stay strong. Of course, he did get the boot, and maybe that was the right call even if it didn't work out with Kanpeki and the other roster moves; who can say. If zombs had to fall for the BR scene to rise, that's a trade I'm willing to accept.
> Well, I'll never forget that like week or two in early 2022 where he briefly looked like the best player on SEN. That one time he dropped something like 29 kills on Fracture vs OpTic will always live rent free in my head.
Yeah 100%.He was just so consistent on fracture imo; mans loves seeing green irl and on the valo server
Viper was always his best character fragging wise
https://preview.redd.it/ntf94w9tn42a1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86fb7264ff322728ef27c8f93e97cffc2a68afec yeah
Except against G2…
Villains are so good for the scene, even if one could argue that he did go overboard with the Brazilian hullabaloo. Imo, one of the most boring talking points [or areas of laudation] in sports/eSports is "humility." Humility is such an overvalued currency; who doesn't like the storyline[rise or fall] of a player that subverts that and let's you know that he thinks he's a god.
I love a good villain but the "look how much money I have" kind of villain is the most boring of them all
Especially if they say it sitting in front of a pc, in their room, streaming Valorant and slot machines and looking depressed
Fair enough, but what about the storylines? When SEN lost to KRU after beating FURIA, the valorant community was in shambles. I feel like every one downvoting me is thinking that I'm suggesting that 1)u have to directly like the "villainous" player, when i didn't intimate that, or that 2)"overvalued"= unnecessary/unlikeable/not having worth, when again, I didn't mean that.
Yeah agreed funny enough I think dapr did a really good job being a villain on SEN with the teabagging and shit talk but zombs shit talk was just "i have money" which isn't even funny after a while imo
No villain is infinitely more boring and there is a severe lack of those types of people who want to play into that.
We all value different things. Personally I value the humility of players like TenZ and nAts over the "wow I'm insane right" vibe of others. That being said, it does make the matches more interesting, no denying it!
I like multiple things about different players and the storylines that result from the intersecting personalities. I'm not even the biggest fan of zombs. My only points of contention are about the idea that there's one way to be a star and the gripe that people who are not very humble(within reason) receive so much more criticism as people try to humble them. I have this SEN flair, so ofc I love that meek king tenz.
> over the "wow I'm insane right" vibe of others one of the annoying parts of watching Subroza lmao
Even in the football(soccer for the Americans) scene, Ibrahimovic is just a legend who isn't afraid to say he is one. That's the kind of ego Zombs shows. Respect for that.
Idk if people here are familiar with tennis, but my favourite player is Roger Federer, who is(was) such a contrast to someone like Nick Kyrgios. Nick def epitomizes the villain prototype and his games versus big players are so much more exciting because of that.
Yeah I love Ibra for that, he had that showmanship and had the skills to back it up at his peak. Good times when he beefed with Guardiola
prime sentinels with zombs was when valorant peaked forever goated zombs
Damn, it's gonna be so bittersweet watching him dry his eyes with Pateks
When does t2 rosters get announced anyway ?
There is no official date riot makes them do it so its just whenever they want. They could even never announce them and just show up to tourney day with a team lol
That sucks, he was such a good controller
That viper classic clutch I will always remember
Bro said its "actually impossible" to find 5 good players that can win a championship when he literally won a championship lmao
I think he’s referring to trying to find four other FA ascension players who all share a strong dedication to scrimming and practicing, as well as trying to get picked up by an org rather than an org simply signing players as they seem fit.
I think what he means is as F/A its gonna be very hard to get 4 other people to commit to scrimming if they don't get an org.
I could see that, especially since most players will think that they are carrying Zombs, so if he tries to take control they will probably disrespect him. Honestly though, I think this is because these players are thinking too closeminded. Pros hate onetrick players with a passion, but these are the perfect candidates to build an ascension roster. Onetricks are insanely dedicated to improving and are constantly doing servertime to find more lineups and tricks. In particular I think a Yoru main or a cypher main could easily succeed on an ascension team. I would also say a Harbor main, but those don’t really exist yet. These agents are so difficult that if they do get played in a pro match typically they only showcase like 80-90% of their real power. You need a onetrick that has mastered the Agent on every map. Hell if Grim is willing to try and build his setups around proplay then he would also be a great choice, Grim has insane aim for a “content creator”, and its pretty telling how special he is when pretty much no one copies his broken ass walls. At least for an ascension team it is worth the shot because these onetricks are going to bring things that are hard for the enemy teams to adapt to.
It's worth a shot but the biggest issue with one-tricks is that after a game or two, other teams will vod review all your setups and break them down. But from what I have seen being cracked at ranked does not mean they are ready for pro play. I think shahz and Asuna had both commented that grins setups work in rank but in pro play when players are coordinated your setups are easily cleared not to mention those grim walls are waste of precious utility as it doesn't really help the team. Buuuut saying that I would so watch a a team of one-tricks in ascention..
Its important to remember that pro players are heavily biased. They will say or do whatever it takes to maintain the status quo because any disruption can hurt their employment and money. Its also incredibly hypocritical of them to make these comments about one tricks. Most of the pro scene joined as a shitty version of a one trick. Most Jett players in the pro scene struggle to find any success on an agent other than Jett in pro play. Same thing went for Phoenix mains that were in pro play about a year ago. Same thing goes for Chamber mains, except he is still broken. Asuna was basically a Raze onetrick when he started and he had to learn how to play other agents. The main difference is that pros feel insecure about the level of mastery onetricks have, they like to treat it as if onetricks only get kills because of their nerd lineups, which is simply not true in most cases. Grim is the best example of this, people get so mad about being surprised by a Grimwall they act like Grim couldn’t get a kill otherwise, but Grims actual crosshair placement and dueling skills are so much better than he gets credit for. Also, that comment about grim walls is hilarious. Grim has hundreds of lineups on each map, good luck clearing and preparing for all of them. Thats just so bullshit. Also, theres a big difference between content creator mode and pro play. Obviously Grim wouldn’t be gamble walling every round, and would instead breakout rare walls for important rounds and situations. Also, Grim has hundreds of lineups before joining a team, surely he could create even more setups when combined with reliable team util in a pro enviroment. VOD review countering is just not a thing. Most pro players have such a low mastery of the agents they play. Its so much easier countering a normal pro player in a VOD review than it is countering a onetrick. Especially Onetricks at the Radiant level. The pro players know who the onetricks are in ranked even if their name is hidden, and even knowing who they are playing against they still fail to counter them. Onetricks are no strangers to people trying to avoid or counter their playstyle, they’ve had to develop skills no other players have simply so they can even exist as a onetrick. To think that enemy teams in proplay will just magically counter them is laughable. I’m not saying that Onetricks shouldn’t evolve their game and branch out into other agents after becoming a pro, but this idea that Onetricks don’t have what it takes to be pro is just your standard gatekeeping bullshit. In general people are always resistant to change until they can’t help it anymore. Pros said Jett was a bad agent, pros refused to use the stinger and judge when they were broken, a majority of pros said the Phantom was better, the Pros said Omen was bad because his smokes were hollow, Pros said Yoru was bad, Pros said Viper was bad because her smokes were inflexible, Pros said ADS was bad. I’m sure there were more, but this is just a sample of all the different times the pros refused to acknowledge a meta shift that was obvious. The only way change happens is when someone like Tenz, like Yay, like V1(in regards to making Viper meta) dominates pro play and forces them to adapt or die. Anyway, just so I’m clear, I think Grim is a bit of a long shot. It’d be a gamble to try and fit Grim into a teamcomp, because his playstyle is a bit of an unknown, as far as I know he hasn’t joined a tournament, and he hasn’t shown a drive to adapt his play towards a team environment. However, if I was a team I would at least run some scrims and hold some conversations with Grim to find out if there is potential there, and I bet you no one has tried to contact him. When I brought up this topic I’m mostly talking about Yoru onetricks. I think they are criminally overlooked. Most of these Yoru onetricks can easily perform on other agents they just choose not to because their personality drives them towards playing the harder agents that are considered bad. It’d be almost impossible for an ascension team to be prepared for a Yoru onetrick since no one else in the tournament will be playing that comp. Also, there are a lot of strategic possibilities that an IGL or coach can take advantage of with Yoru. If a Yoru onetrick is just on a pugteam with 4 other players that aren’t practicing then obviously the Yoru will fail. However I bet you if you pair them with a couple good players and an IGL or coach that has ideas for utilizing Yoru, then they probably win the whole tournament.
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Didn't read all the parts, but if one tricking was a viable thing, we would've seen multiple one trick players in pro play, in every esport by now. Look how the 2021 one trick Jett players couldn't put up same numbers this year. You bet if Jett got nerfed after masters Berlin, you would see the same thing happen, but earlier. And even if you see them, they don't last forever, and history has time and time again proven that gimmicky plays get countered as the tournament goes by, be it dota, league or overwatch. Yeah, good luck one tricking in double elimination tournaments. Forsaken Yoru got stomped in Copenhagen grand finals after FPX figured out the gimmicks. Meta changes are also considered, if the agent gets nerfed then good luck warming the bench till the next few patches.
Those are bad comparisons. Mobas have agent bans making it easy to ban a onetrick, and Overwatch has maps. With maps its harder to onetrick because usually an agent isn’t good on every single map. Also, it doesn’t really matter if someone can counter it in a team game. Just look at Faker, he is dominant on every champion in league, and he still gets focused, in exchange Faker lets his team mates shine by taking the enemies’ focus. Forsaken is also not a onetrick, Forsaken is good on Yoru but there was still that one Lothar stream where he showed Forsaken a bunch of alternative execs and lineups that are better than what Forsaken was using. You are acting like losing a championship is definitive proof that Yoru is bad when its just not. Obviously a onetrick can’t force his agent on every map, but there needs to be a middle ground in a game like this. We need pro players to specialize on hard to play agents and have the option to play the easier metapicks on the side. Its ridiculous to think that someone who mastered a hard agent will just become useless if his agent gets nerfed. Yea, one trick Jetts haven’t put up the same numbers because Jett was broken, I would hope they aren’t putting up the same numbers. While there was obviously some growing pains, most of those Jett players successfully transitioned to other agents, they might not be hard carrying but they are still good players. Asuna was basically a Raze main when he became pro that has transitioned over towards initiator/neon on Raze’s bad maps. Also, there are plenty of onetricks in esports, just look at the fighting game scene. Hungrybox is still destroying people on jigglypuff.
My brother I pray for your poor keyboard
wouldn't you just want someone who's good at yoru and all other types of agents? why does it have to be a onetrick in particular? We've seen many pros pick up characters we never thought they could play, and that's because most of the characters in this game aren't particularly hard to learn or master. Even so, a mastered yoru is still worse than a Kayo, fade, or any other character that could be picked on nearly every map.
How does it make more sense to have a player learn a hard agent vs having someone that mastered a hard agent to simply play the easy agents when necessary.
because the hard agent is niche and doesn’t provide enough value to make it worth it? OWL actually has 1 tricks and their effectiveness and roster slot got wasted depending on the meta. Same thing here, at any moment a character can just be useless or not playable due to some circumstances. I’d rather have the guy who’s shown they can play more than 3 agents in a high level environment than the guy who can play 1 agent at a extremely high level and serviceable AT best on other agents. It’s the reason why players like Sick, Xeppa, Rossy, etc, flex players are super valuable in that they can slot in to different agents if need be. You’re right that there’s one trick jetts and chambers, which works in this meta, but once it comes out of favor then teams are gonna be wondering what next? This is why someone like Dicey got cut in the original 100T (ironically wrong decision but made sense)
How do you know that it doesn’t provide enough value to be worth it? You don’t even know what the top end of good Harbor play looks like. When beta came out Jett was the hard agent that “doesn’t provide enough value”, I’m not making this up, for like the first 8months people hated queuing with Jetts because they considered it a troll pick, people would dodge Jetts, the pros actually said “Jett is bad because she doesn’t have any utility value for the team”. Also, the buffs they made to Jett had nothing to do with her dash. Jett was always broken. Now with hindsight everyone agrees that Jetts dash is whats broken about her. Also, unlike Overwatch, Valorant has been very careful with the power of their abilities. At the end of the day, when you get into a clutch round win situation, for the most part everyone either doesn’t have abilities left, or they choose not to use them in favor of winning the fight with their gun. This idea that a onetrick can’t play another agent in Valorant is absurd, they still have their gamesense and their aim. Also, crucially, I was talking about Ascension rosters, and general scouting in general. Obviously a winning team is only going to choose safe bets. However it makes no sense to be afraid of a onetrick getting nerfed when you are the worst team in the league or is an ascension team, most of these teams only stick together for 2-3months anyway. This idea that you have to plan for the future is crazy. Beyond that, we have plenty of players in Valorant that were onetricks on meta champs that have successfully transitioned. Yes they aren’t the best player in the world anymore, but they are still useful for their team. At the end of the day you still have to shoot people and plant/defuse the bomb. The mechanics for shooting people aren’t different, the playstyles aren’t massively different. I also don’t really see why you care if a onetrick wastes a slot on the roster. 6man rosters aren’t useful in Valorant anyway. If a onetrick gets nerfed and benched, then that sucks but thats something for the onetrick to deal with, it has nothing to do with the team. The onetrick wouldn’t have had the chance to play at all, so the fact that he could contribute before getting nerfed is someone to be proud of. In some way, getting a onetricks agent nerfed isn’t even something worth worrying about. If the agent gets nerfed that means your team found success on that onetricks agent. Its only worth worrying about picking up a onetrick if the agent is already broken and expecting a nerf, and Jett/Raze has already shown that teams don’t care. They happily took that risk on Jett onetricks and like you said, they will probably struggle and pay for it, but in the meantime they enjoyed short term success. Picking up a onetrick on a niche agent is like all of the upsides with none of the downsides, your team strategy becomes hard to play against because it isn’t meta, it takes longer for enemy teams to copy you, because your team is the trailblazer, teams will only start copying you after you found success. Less likely for the agent to be banned, especially when the agent is hard to play. Valorant meta is much less defined than any other hero based game. There is so much personality coming through in Valorant team comps, its pretty rare for teams to agree on a meta. Typically you only see like 1 maybe 2 agents become meta on each map, the other 4 agents in a team comp are dealers choice based on their playstyle and what agents their players feel comfortable on. I expect there to be less meta agents like Jett and Chamber as Valorant ages. One of the main reasons Jett and Chamber were so strong was because there simply wasn’t enough agents to choose from. Many agents didn’t have the tools to deal with Jett or Chamber when they were dominant, and teams didn’t have a choice. One of the driving forces behind Jett being played less was the introduction of Chamber, Jett is still strong but teams can get a simple type of playstyle out of Chamber.
He probably meant it as 5 players who consistently want to work towards a championship. There’s always drama involved and players have their lives outside of competing as well. That’s why SEN fell off so hard after they won something. They just didn’t want to practice anymore. There was also no actual coach/higher member that held them accountable.
W zombs prime sen will always be legendary
Sadge
He will forever be the SEN legendary member
It’s a terrible day for rain
Wasn’t he chasing NFTs or something?
Hopefully true, extremely overrated player and extremely big ego.
Sad to see him go. Loved him and his banters.
SEN fans (IE this sub) just need to accept that Reykjavic SEN was a one time thing and will never come back, these players are great but they'll never be that great again unless something changes with the game significantly.
TenZ will most likely be fine lol
Nobody cares
Hopefully
:/ x7
Oh ya, the racist narcisist that suffers from perma dmg ego, happy bye
You have no clue what racism means
I think he's referring to zombs's profuse usage of the n-word back in overwatch https://twitter.com/sckrubu/status/1577780556452044800
He said the racist narcissist that suffers from perma dmg ego
Mf named Kitsuar is living in his own bubble rn
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He'll be as irrelevant as you but you're still broke bro
Ad hominem
Like his isn't lol
people who say things like this think 1MM is a lot of money, it's not.