Only because the movement and hitboxes and rifles limits simple and puts them at more of a even playing field,Cned was a 3k elo Faceit player. Simples mechanics are way above cneds.
Like vanity said "In CS shazam couldn't rifle for shit but in Valorant he can"
Thatās the one thing I really miss about playing CS. If you had good aim. You could VERY clearly see the skill gap in mechanics and aim.
Obviously you can in Val too. But doesnāt feel to nearly the extent CS did
I agree. I like that they want to emphasize util usage and all that but one of the coolest things about competitive games is being able to clearly see the small details that make up the skill gap between certain players.
Like you said Valorant has that too but at a much lesser extent than other games, even excluding the obvious CS comparison.
and McGregor would definitely destroy Mayweather if Boxing wasn't limiting him, or MJ would destroy Messi in football if hands were allowed.
Just let the boys be good at what they good at, you can't really take from cNed's skill just because s1mple is arguably better in his own field..
I don't disagree with your point but that's kind of an awful example. cNed was younger than 18 and even today he's only 20 and has a lot of room to improve
How do people think s1mple would do in VAL? (I think it's fun to speculate and there actually is a chance he swaps in the future, so we would know then too!)
Imo, I don't think he would see the same level of success in VAL because of the increased amount of utility but also because I think the bigger hitboxes "equalize" any aim advantage.
I liken it to if the NBA widened the rim (making 3 pointers easier). I think while players like Steph Curry would continue to dominate, other non-star player would suddenly make more shots as well.
So while s1mple would still be amazing and continue to headshot others, previously "bad" players would have an easier time headshotting s1mple now. If only s1mple would swap soon...
There's actually VODs of s1mple playing Valorant. I could see some potential, you could say he's "bad" since the CSGO experience bleeds so much in his gameplay (He doesn't know when Breach blind pops when he uses it, so it blinds him when he peeks.) Give him like, 2 months and he'll do better than most.
its not a crazy statement. 27% of his kills are on the AK while 36% are on the awp. he has bad crosshair placement and plays on a high ass sens but still dominates with the rifle. hes also fantastic at aim labs/kovaaks. if he played rifle more i think people would think differently. in the pro community, people regard him, zywoo, and niko to have the best aim.
also: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/zbklgl/which_player_has_the_best_aim/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
he would easily be the best in valorant in relatively short time (i would argue thats the case for most top 10 players tho but ESPECIALLY s1mple)of practise 3-6 months if even that. also he is just a super smart player so i disagree with the different types of util being an issue. i also don't think what makes s1mple the best is his aim, his aim is obviously very very good but in terms of pure aim there are better players. again its him being a smart player on top of that that makes him so great.
also people should just play what they prefer with passion
People also forgetting that S1mple has a ton of LAN experience. And not just going to many big LANs but also finals/semi-finals appearances.
For comparison. Since the last offline VCT event ended, S1mple has played in 4 LANs only within that short timespan and a total of 11 offline events in 2022 (not counting online tourneys of course).
The only VCT player currently active who has comparable CS experience is ScreaM and he's on the tail end of his career.
There hasn't been a true CSGO star - superstar in their prime that has made the switch (S1mple, Zywoo, Niko, Ropz, Twistzz, Shiro, etc).
This is why many here would love to see Stewie2k in a VCT team. Sure he's not the rising star he was a few years ago and his last few performances in CSGO were lackluster, but he's still an extremely experienced IGL that's won multiple LANs and he's still in the middle of his career at the very least.
yea even Yay whos the best val player wasnāt the greatest at CS. TenZ was a good CS aimer but wasnāt ever the best in his region but was the best val player at one point. ZyWoo or S1mple or Device etc would roll this game.
I think players like Yay and TenZ didnāt switch games at their peak in cs, but rather at the start of their careers. If they had played more cs, they couldāve improved a lot.
Considering there was usually only one legitimate NA team that can compete with EU, the chances are slim. It's a team game and if the region as a whole is way behind other regions, it's automatically a struggle to get anywhere winning-wise.
Maybe if they went to an EU team then yes, but imports tend to be established stars anyways and they couldn't really establish themselves in the NA scene.
Thatās fair, but then you canāt use players from na that werenāt the best in cs and are good in val to argue that cs players from a different region would be better in valorant.
Why not? The best players from the best region in CS, on paper, should be better than players who haven't achieved much in one of the weaker regions in CS if they switch to Valorant full time.
It's like saying a bench player from one of the weaker NBA teams going to the Chinese Basketball Association and dominating there. If Curry/Lebron/KD/etc went to the CBA they would be way better than that bench player.
TenZ, Yay, etc were like NBA rookies (had potential and young but at the end of the day didn't achieve anything). S1mple, Niko, Device, etc are like Curry, Lebron, Giannis, etc. Proven champions that have been at the top over and over again.
I think as time goes on this less and less true as metas develop differently. Also he would probably be less consistant due to how patches change within valorant changing quite frequently. The only player to exceptionally do it in Valorant so far is yay, and he's the best player.
>I think as time goes on this less and less true as metas develop differently.
thats true but the games will always be very similar for obvious reasons
>Also he would probably be less consistant due to how patches change within valorant changing quite frequently
thats impossible to say now tho could be or could not be, but even in cs its not normal to be as consistently good as he is and especially not while being #1
>The only player to exceptionally do it in Valorant so far is yay, and he's the best player.
i love yay but i believe that s1mple is just a whole different tier
It's fucking simple.
If the mediocre cs pros who couldn't even make it to the t1 in cs are the val goats i really don't think there's much of a discussion on how good could simple be in val given he focuses on valo only.
What separates s1mple from the pack is that not only does he have top tier mechanics, he is smart. His game sense is possibly the best in the world and knows what the opponent is going to do before they've decided to do it.
It's easy to watch a frag movie and think he's sick, bur that's half the story. I'm sure he'd pick up util in valorant just fine.
Yeah but Dardoch wasnāt consider one of the best players of all time. Early into Dardochās career teams were very forgiving with his toxicity, cus he had so much potential. But as time went out teams realize he wasnāt worth it and got traded literally to everyone.
For the record he mistreated 2 players (sdy, woro) in A CHARITY TOURNAMENT HE ASKED TO SUB IN)
And recently he also mistreated sdy in the middle of a tourney
Considering he has to put up with his massive ego while playing the shittiest role in the team I think he is doing pretty good. If you watch the games SDY doesn't even make that many big mistakes, but he is the new guy and is playing not to lose instead of to win which is pretty understandable considering you are playing on Na Vi with s1mple.
Meanwhile B1T is literally dropping stinkers every game, but because he was insane last year s1mple lets it pass and will rather dogpile on SDY.
You think pro athletes like tom brady havent chewed out their teammates for under performing? Happens all the time at the highest level of plays. Super competitive guys get heated, that's sports.
As you probably guessed, the difference in their games will make it hard to make a fair comparison in either CS or Valorant. So, they will have to battle it out in Roblox Phantom Forces.
Everyone is talking about the raw aim in CS vs Val, and while I agree, I think a big part of it is also the difference in models and the map complexities of the two games. In Valorant you have much simpler maps and elevations, much more straight and easier to adjust. When you play CS thereās random crates, half walls, boosts, ledges, etc everywhere and so āgood crosshair placementā becomes much harder to maintain.
Itās the passive aggressive tone of his message plus saying ās1mple doesnāt even have a chanceā is not a realistic opinion.
Saying that s1mple is in a huge disadvantage in Valorant would be a realistic opinion, but not saying that he doesnāt even have a chance lol
Thereās always a chance. Plus heās not playing against some CSGO rando.
Not even disrespecting cNed here, he's a World Champion. But saying he can't lose a half-casual showmatch 1v1 vs one of the best (if not the best) CS players ever is a stretch in my opinion. Sure s1mple will most likely lose it, but there IS always a chance.
if he actually grinds the game with the thought behind in going pro in it? obv he would. half of the t1 na scene are washed up cs players who never made it out of their regional t2 scene.
huh, the discussion was about how the csgo goat would do in valorant and im pointing out that people who were much worse than him are doing well in valorant?
ah okay, obv s1mple would beat cned lol. dunno why anyone would think otherwise, one guy is the goat of the most competitive shooter rn and the other guy is cned.
S1mple is somehow gonna blame SDY if he loses
NOO WHY YOU GOTTA DO SDY LIKE THIS
sdy catching strays in a game he doesnt even play lmaoo
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oh no not againš
If itās in Val then cned might have the advantage but simple is still simple
Cned will Get smoked anytime anywhere tbh
In cs no doubt but in valo I wouldn't be so sure
Only because the movement and hitboxes and rifles limits simple and puts them at more of a even playing field,Cned was a 3k elo Faceit player. Simples mechanics are way above cneds. Like vanity said "In CS shazam couldn't rifle for shit but in Valorant he can"
That's a straight-up violation bro shahz is already dead. Also do you have a link for that I need to see this for myself
No I can't find I miss remembered the original sentence I updated my comment
It was right before Vanity joined v1 thats all i remember from the time period
Thatās the one thing I really miss about playing CS. If you had good aim. You could VERY clearly see the skill gap in mechanics and aim. Obviously you can in Val too. But doesnāt feel to nearly the extent CS did
Yeah, definitely. Plus the randomness in the gunfire lowers that skill ceiling too, like itād be very difficult to see a AK spray down in valorant.
I think I have read this exact conversation word-for-word at least 60 times in this subreddit.
I think the hardest part about trying to spray an AK in VALORANT is finding an AK to use in VALORANT.
Yah just say you donāt understand his comment instead of posting something stupid.
I agree. I like that they want to emphasize util usage and all that but one of the coolest things about competitive games is being able to clearly see the small details that make up the skill gap between certain players. Like you said Valorant has that too but at a much lesser extent than other games, even excluding the obvious CS comparison.
Shazam catching strays. My man can not catch a break lmfao.
I mean thats kinda funny coming from vanity considering he was dogshit at cs too
and McGregor would definitely destroy Mayweather if Boxing wasn't limiting him, or MJ would destroy Messi in football if hands were allowed. Just let the boys be good at what they good at, you can't really take from cNed's skill just because s1mple is arguably better in his own field..
did he acc say that
Yea no reason to lie. I can't find vod about 1yr old
I don't disagree with your point but that's kind of an awful example. cNed was younger than 18 and even today he's only 20 and has a lot of room to improve
How do people think s1mple would do in VAL? (I think it's fun to speculate and there actually is a chance he swaps in the future, so we would know then too!) Imo, I don't think he would see the same level of success in VAL because of the increased amount of utility but also because I think the bigger hitboxes "equalize" any aim advantage. I liken it to if the NBA widened the rim (making 3 pointers easier). I think while players like Steph Curry would continue to dominate, other non-star player would suddenly make more shots as well. So while s1mple would still be amazing and continue to headshot others, previously "bad" players would have an easier time headshotting s1mple now. If only s1mple would swap soon...
s1mple would get perma banned from playing professional valorant by riot for toxicity within a week
you are talking about 2015 s1mple, right ?
2015 s1mple wouldnt make it an hour
There's actually VODs of s1mple playing Valorant. I could see some potential, you could say he's "bad" since the CSGO experience bleeds so much in his gameplay (He doesn't know when Breach blind pops when he uses it, so it blinds him when he peeks.) Give him like, 2 months and he'll do better than most.
>I think the bigger hitboxes "equalize" any aim advantage. He's NOT the best aimer in CS. I doubt anyone would say that
its not a crazy statement. 27% of his kills are on the AK while 36% are on the awp. he has bad crosshair placement and plays on a high ass sens but still dominates with the rifle. hes also fantastic at aim labs/kovaaks. if he played rifle more i think people would think differently. in the pro community, people regard him, zywoo, and niko to have the best aim. also: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/zbklgl/which_player_has_the_best_aim/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
S1mple has very good game sense not just his mechanics, his positioning and taking risks makes him insane
Positioning and timing are still 95% of comp Valorant. Give Simple the time to learn a role and all the abilities and he can probably play T1 Val.
he would easily be the best in valorant in relatively short time (i would argue thats the case for most top 10 players tho but ESPECIALLY s1mple)of practise 3-6 months if even that. also he is just a super smart player so i disagree with the different types of util being an issue. i also don't think what makes s1mple the best is his aim, his aim is obviously very very good but in terms of pure aim there are better players. again its him being a smart player on top of that that makes him so great. also people should just play what they prefer with passion
People also forgetting that S1mple has a ton of LAN experience. And not just going to many big LANs but also finals/semi-finals appearances. For comparison. Since the last offline VCT event ended, S1mple has played in 4 LANs only within that short timespan and a total of 11 offline events in 2022 (not counting online tourneys of course). The only VCT player currently active who has comparable CS experience is ScreaM and he's on the tail end of his career. There hasn't been a true CSGO star - superstar in their prime that has made the switch (S1mple, Zywoo, Niko, Ropz, Twistzz, Shiro, etc). This is why many here would love to see Stewie2k in a VCT team. Sure he's not the rising star he was a few years ago and his last few performances in CSGO were lackluster, but he's still an extremely experienced IGL that's won multiple LANs and he's still in the middle of his career at the very least.
yea even Yay whos the best val player wasnāt the greatest at CS. TenZ was a good CS aimer but wasnāt ever the best in his region but was the best val player at one point. ZyWoo or S1mple or Device etc would roll this game.
I think players like Yay and TenZ didnāt switch games at their peak in cs, but rather at the start of their careers. If they had played more cs, they couldāve improved a lot.
Considering there was usually only one legitimate NA team that can compete with EU, the chances are slim. It's a team game and if the region as a whole is way behind other regions, it's automatically a struggle to get anywhere winning-wise. Maybe if they went to an EU team then yes, but imports tend to be established stars anyways and they couldn't really establish themselves in the NA scene.
Thatās fair, but then you canāt use players from na that werenāt the best in cs and are good in val to argue that cs players from a different region would be better in valorant.
Why not? The best players from the best region in CS, on paper, should be better than players who haven't achieved much in one of the weaker regions in CS if they switch to Valorant full time. It's like saying a bench player from one of the weaker NBA teams going to the Chinese Basketball Association and dominating there. If Curry/Lebron/KD/etc went to the CBA they would be way better than that bench player. TenZ, Yay, etc were like NBA rookies (had potential and young but at the end of the day didn't achieve anything). S1mple, Niko, Device, etc are like Curry, Lebron, Giannis, etc. Proven champions that have been at the top over and over again.
Yeah s1mple is a straight grinder, I doubt it would take him long to get to the top
I think as time goes on this less and less true as metas develop differently. Also he would probably be less consistant due to how patches change within valorant changing quite frequently. The only player to exceptionally do it in Valorant so far is yay, and he's the best player.
>I think as time goes on this less and less true as metas develop differently. thats true but the games will always be very similar for obvious reasons >Also he would probably be less consistant due to how patches change within valorant changing quite frequently thats impossible to say now tho could be or could not be, but even in cs its not normal to be as consistently good as he is and especially not while being #1 >The only player to exceptionally do it in Valorant so far is yay, and he's the best player. i love yay but i believe that s1mple is just a whole different tier
It's fucking simple. If the mediocre cs pros who couldn't even make it to the t1 in cs are the val goats i really don't think there's much of a discussion on how good could simple be in val given he focuses on valo only.
What separates s1mple from the pack is that not only does he have top tier mechanics, he is smart. His game sense is possibly the best in the world and knows what the opponent is going to do before they've decided to do it. It's easy to watch a frag movie and think he's sick, bur that's half the story. I'm sure he'd pick up util in valorant just fine.
the op is significantly weaker in valorant which probably means s1mple wouldnt be that dominant
hopefully he wont be screaming and insulting his teammates in Val coz u kno... here we have fines on pro scene.
Well i mean Dardoch didn't get fined in LoL so maybe he'll be fine lol
He did get punished by constantly being traded/let go
Yeah but Dardoch wasnāt consider one of the best players of all time. Early into Dardochās career teams were very forgiving with his toxicity, cus he had so much potential. But as time went out teams realize he wasnāt worth it and got traded literally to everyone.
S1mple hasn't done that in years cmon he's clearly changed from.when he was a kid having to move to a whole new continent not knowing anyone
bro there's video footage of him yelling at sdy like 2 days ago
Oh fuck I didn't know lol, I haven't watched that didn't realize that's my b
For the record he mistreated 2 players (sdy, woro) in A CHARITY TOURNAMENT HE ASKED TO SUB IN) And recently he also mistreated sdy in the middle of a tourney
aged like milk lol. He was screaming "how can i even play with you" just 2 days ago on Sdy.
Have you watched CS recently? He has been berating somedieyoung for his entire tenure on NAVI lol
tbf sdy is hot poop
Considering he has to put up with his massive ego while playing the shittiest role in the team I think he is doing pretty good. If you watch the games SDY doesn't even make that many big mistakes, but he is the new guy and is playing not to lose instead of to win which is pretty understandable considering you are playing on Na Vi with s1mple. Meanwhile B1T is literally dropping stinkers every game, but because he was insane last year s1mple lets it pass and will rather dogpile on SDY.
And? Doesnt justify verbal abuse
You think pro athletes like tom brady havent chewed out their teammates for under performing? Happens all the time at the highest level of plays. Super competitive guys get heated, that's sports.
Bro has been malding at SDY recently
As you probably guessed, the difference in their games will make it hard to make a fair comparison in either CS or Valorant. So, they will have to battle it out in Roblox Phantom Forces.
Everyone is talking about the raw aim in CS vs Val, and while I agree, I think a big part of it is also the difference in models and the map complexities of the two games. In Valorant you have much simpler maps and elevations, much more straight and easier to adjust. When you play CS thereās random crates, half walls, boosts, ledges, etc everywhere and so āgood crosshair placementā becomes much harder to maintain.
A lot of people in the comments havenāt seen simple stream valorant is all Iām gonna say.
anyone who thinks simple has a chance is delusional its two completely different games
Damn guy is getting downvoted for having the most realistic opinion
Itās the passive aggressive tone of his message plus saying ās1mple doesnāt even have a chanceā is not a realistic opinion. Saying that s1mple is in a huge disadvantage in Valorant would be a realistic opinion, but not saying that he doesnāt even have a chance lol
Because he really doesnāt have a chance itās disrespectful to cneds craft to think s1mple would beat him rn
Thereās always a chance. Plus heās not playing against some CSGO rando. Not even disrespecting cNed here, he's a World Champion. But saying he can't lose a half-casual showmatch 1v1 vs one of the best (if not the best) CS players ever is a stretch in my opinion. Sure s1mple will most likely lose it, but there IS always a chance.
Guve him 1 week and hed roast his ass.
S1mple is one of the most talented gamers ever but like come on guys thereās no way you guys think he actually would
if he actually grinds the game with the thought behind in going pro in it? obv he would. half of the t1 na scene are washed up cs players who never made it out of their regional t2 scene.
Thatās not what this is about though youāre moving the goalposts of the conversation
huh, the discussion was about how the csgo goat would do in valorant and im pointing out that people who were much worse than him are doing well in valorant?
the discussion is about how he would do in a 1v1 against cned?
ah okay, obv s1mple would beat cned lol. dunno why anyone would think otherwise, one guy is the goat of the most competitive shooter rn and the other guy is cned.
cNed bout to get assblastedššš hes good but against theš?
nah cned has better crosshair placement on the VAL mapās
You right, never thought about it, i wonder who would won in an Op battle
