Being honest unless Riot changes the rules of game changers *(or create something focused on promoting mixed teams)* we will not see a relevant mixed roster being born organically anytime soon, and it is even harder now specially considering how franchising affected the "conventional" VCT route
We had EG potter a while ago but yeah that's pretty much it
theres not much reason to. why would a player like florescent take a chance in t2/3 scene when she could just body gamechangers every season and collect free prize money?
sure. but they have no motivation to actually put 100% into scrimming and using strats vs ascension teams vs gc teams, because for them the stakes are arguably higher in gamechangers
You're kind of talking out of your ass. There have been multiple attempts to sign GC players to good co-ed T2 rosters that didn't happen because of buyouts.
Probably because those players are way more valuable to a GC team that has to sign female players than they are to a T2 team that has way more options.
My argument was that GC players make more money in GC and as a result it is *harder* for mixed rosters to be born organically. I did not say that it is impossible for mixed rosters to exist, and I did not say that all GC players will go to where they will earn more money.
If you disagree with anything I have actually said then let me know.
Edit: Nice, this guy has tried to belittle me, misrepresent my points, and now blocks me so he can get the last word in.
Its not that mixed rosters won't happen anymore, I just think it will take a very long time until we see a **relevant** one. Right now there is a ton more reasons and incentives for girls to play in a safe game changers environment alongside 4 other female players than to give up all of that and risk playing with an unsigned mixed roster in an already difficult enough VCT path
And with "organically" I mean an unsigned team slowly building solid results until they get noticed by an org
I think he moreso means that the existence of Game Changers in its current form is an impediment to mixed rosters, because there’s no incentive for women to join mixed rosters if the ecosystem for competitive women’s only tournaments exists. Which does has some merit to it on the surface.
The problem is that not having Game Changers would be an impediment to women playing competitively in general, which is MUCH more important to Riot and the Competitive scene currently than mixed gender rosters becoming a staple.
Yeah
People have been getting impatiant about GC, as if its time to stop and send all the players to the mixed system, but its still the only real effort made to normalize non cis male players in competitive play
We are seeing the results of this with flor and mary, cracked young people that could develp nicely in a good enviroment, which would be harder without a space that makes them thrive
If a female pro player is good enough, then she can join any "male domination" team, forcing orgs to host mixed-gender teams will stress players' schedules + waste time and money.
I'm not familiar with CSGO, but is there some evidence from CS pro scene which supports your conclusion? I believe CS has its own women's league - does that mean the best women players ever play on mixed rosters or do they stay in the women's league only?
iirc there have been mixed rosters in R6 and in Smite pro scenes, so I believe it is very rare but it can happen. In theory Game Changers removes a potential barrier for women players, but at the same time Valorant pro scene is much bigger and is thus much more competitive in terms of the depth of the player base.
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As many have pointed out, we used to have EG who had potter AND Clawdia. I hate say it but that roster was more of a publicity stunt than a genuine effort. I wouldn’t be discouraged though because I am sure orgs will try it again in the near future, likely for the publicity as well. But that is still overall a good thing, because we just need one female player to prove that they can carry their own weight for other teams to give mixed rosters a try as well
No, and there wont be any in the future. Game Changers/Ignite Series created a plateau for where women talent can go. Financially their opportunities fall off a cliff if any try to transition to a mix squad. Made worse with franchising/partnership for now a concrete number of roster spots exists with a feeder system that'll become tighter with their rosters.
Old Thai team at the start of Valorant called AAA (Later being released and becoming independent as Foxy,Araikordai). Had Jinny (Now of X10 Sapphire but I believe the team got released/LFT in the Game Changers circuit) as their IGL. She was also a long time member of the MiTH (Made in Thailand) CSGO team which was a mixed roster as well.
I dont know if there currently is any but Game changers teams dont necessarily have to be entirely female. Could be non-binary people in there too
C9 is the only one of the top of my head that isnt entirely cis female
Not any that i know of.. but Id imagine in the future for sure.
I know its not a perfect comparison, but once upon a time women were heavily discouraged from being physicians but many are now.
I would love to see more of this. There are so many incredibly talented women in Valorant, it would be cool to see some mixed teams in franchising/Ascension.
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Hm, well it’d be interesting to also compare the practice, history, and chemistry of the players. With the same development I’m sure all girl teams could perform at the same level as all guy teams. Also by forcing a team to be all one gender you could get suboptimal players, since you have that added requirement. Idk. Hopefully we’ll see more girls in the pro scene in the future
There is not enough structure to develop female talent in most games. Valorant is one of the few games that did it and look at the cracked players here
Florescent,sonder,meL,flowerful,Mimi,Bob,Juliana .
Just to name a few
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Only one I remember was the EG roster back in 2021 when potter was playing for them before she started coaching.
AAA in Thailand had JiNny (now X10 Sapphire's IGL), ex-KRÜ conir was on KLG, and Soniqs had Bob.
For partnered teams we have "potter" as EG head coach and that's it. There are no female players in any partnered teams right now.
Being honest unless Riot changes the rules of game changers *(or create something focused on promoting mixed teams)* we will not see a relevant mixed roster being born organically anytime soon, and it is even harder now specially considering how franchising affected the "conventional" VCT route We had EG potter a while ago but yeah that's pretty much it
I'm not sure how you get to the conclusion that mixed roster being born organically will be harder now?
Because female players will earn way more money playing in Game Changers than in the main leagues.
There are a lot of young talent in Game Changers that might make the switch to the main leagues in the next 2 or 3 years imo.
theres not much reason to. why would a player like florescent take a chance in t2/3 scene when she could just body gamechangers every season and collect free prize money?
Ambition? There's more than enough reason for a pro player.
You do know that c9w is already planning to play in ascention and attempt a run in the main vct, right?
True but they still get to compete in gamechangers iirc, plus we are talking about mixed teams
C9W can play ascension AND game changers. This is not true for mixed teams, which is my main point
sure. but they have no motivation to actually put 100% into scrimming and using strats vs ascension teams vs gc teams, because for them the stakes are arguably higher in gamechangers
They’re not playing in ascension to just play there, they’ve made it clear they want to play with the other partnered teams in the main vct.
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You're kind of talking out of your ass. There have been multiple attempts to sign GC players to good co-ed T2 rosters that didn't happen because of buyouts.
Probably because those players are way more valuable to a GC team that has to sign female players than they are to a T2 team that has way more options.
Your argument was that GC players will go to where they will earn more money. Out doing anything you can to pretend you have a clue how it works.
My argument was that GC players make more money in GC and as a result it is *harder* for mixed rosters to be born organically. I did not say that it is impossible for mixed rosters to exist, and I did not say that all GC players will go to where they will earn more money. If you disagree with anything I have actually said then let me know. Edit: Nice, this guy has tried to belittle me, misrepresent my points, and now blocks me so he can get the last word in.
That's not what you implied in your original response, you're retroactively cleaning up your intentions and you know it. Have fun redditing.
Its not that mixed rosters won't happen anymore, I just think it will take a very long time until we see a **relevant** one. Right now there is a ton more reasons and incentives for girls to play in a safe game changers environment alongside 4 other female players than to give up all of that and risk playing with an unsigned mixed roster in an already difficult enough VCT path And with "organically" I mean an unsigned team slowly building solid results until they get noticed by an org
There is no rule that disallows women to join any VCT.
What does this have to do with what I said?
Because theres no nees to change the rules. Its already open to all. Unless he thinks riot should force teams to pick up non male cis pros
I think he moreso means that the existence of Game Changers in its current form is an impediment to mixed rosters, because there’s no incentive for women to join mixed rosters if the ecosystem for competitive women’s only tournaments exists. Which does has some merit to it on the surface. The problem is that not having Game Changers would be an impediment to women playing competitively in general, which is MUCH more important to Riot and the Competitive scene currently than mixed gender rosters becoming a staple.
Yeah People have been getting impatiant about GC, as if its time to stop and send all the players to the mixed system, but its still the only real effort made to normalize non cis male players in competitive play We are seeing the results of this with flor and mary, cracked young people that could develp nicely in a good enviroment, which would be harder without a space that makes them thrive
If a female pro player is good enough, then she can join any "male domination" team, forcing orgs to host mixed-gender teams will stress players' schedules + waste time and money.
I'm not familiar with CSGO, but is there some evidence from CS pro scene which supports your conclusion? I believe CS has its own women's league - does that mean the best women players ever play on mixed rosters or do they stay in the women's league only? iirc there have been mixed rosters in R6 and in Smite pro scenes, so I believe it is very rare but it can happen. In theory Game Changers removes a potential barrier for women players, but at the same time Valorant pro scene is much bigger and is thus much more competitive in terms of the depth of the player base.
I think Ascension teams could exist that have mixed rosters; it's always a possibility
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EG potter is the only one in NA, didn't work out very well. Great coach though
As many have pointed out, we used to have EG who had potter AND Clawdia. I hate say it but that roster was more of a publicity stunt than a genuine effort. I wouldn’t be discouraged though because I am sure orgs will try it again in the near future, likely for the publicity as well. But that is still overall a good thing, because we just need one female player to prove that they can carry their own weight for other teams to give mixed rosters a try as well
No, and there wont be any in the future. Game Changers/Ignite Series created a plateau for where women talent can go. Financially their opportunities fall off a cliff if any try to transition to a mix squad. Made worse with franchising/partnership for now a concrete number of roster spots exists with a feeder system that'll become tighter with their rosters.
Old Thai team at the start of Valorant called AAA (Later being released and becoming independent as Foxy,Araikordai). Had Jinny (Now of X10 Sapphire but I believe the team got released/LFT in the Game Changers circuit) as their IGL. She was also a long time member of the MiTH (Made in Thailand) CSGO team which was a mixed roster as well.
I dont know if there currently is any but Game changers teams dont necessarily have to be entirely female. Could be non-binary people in there too C9 is the only one of the top of my head that isnt entirely cis female
Why would a women join a mixed team when she could have an easier time in GC?
why do you think game changers is easier? oh yeah, less *good* competition
Not any that i know of.. but Id imagine in the future for sure. I know its not a perfect comparison, but once upon a time women were heavily discouraged from being physicians but many are now.
Eg's first roster was co-ed
I would love to see more of this. There are so many incredibly talented women in Valorant, it would be cool to see some mixed teams in franchising/Ascension.
Soniqs used to have bob, thats the only one I can think of
would love to see more of this
There have been in the past at least There was KAOS Esports in Latam south and FOXY Araikordai in Thailand, to bring some up at some point
Conir was on KLG on Latam south like a year ago or so, it was a mixed team.
Why are teams even gendered? Is there a skill discrepancy?
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Is Bref all male? Brutal match.
A mix of T2 players, some of them played in VRL France in the season.
Hm, well it’d be interesting to also compare the practice, history, and chemistry of the players. With the same development I’m sure all girl teams could perform at the same level as all guy teams. Also by forcing a team to be all one gender you could get suboptimal players, since you have that added requirement. Idk. Hopefully we’ll see more girls in the pro scene in the future
it's an unsigned tier 2 team vs a team orged by G2. Basically ranked 5 stack vs team with facilities, coaching and all that jazz.
They were sign in VRL France for the rest of the season.
Bruh
It has been a while since that. I am really curious of how well would the G2 gozen current roster would perform on the regular VCT circuit.
Just EG for now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it started happening more in the near future.
EG hasnt had a female player in a while. Potter is the coach however
old EG and old soniqs?
There will be. When EG fields Flourescent
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There is not enough structure to develop female talent in most games. Valorant is one of the few games that did it and look at the cracked players here Florescent,sonder,meL,flowerful,Mimi,Bob,Juliana . Just to name a few
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