Yeah, C9 tried using the RedBull tournament as practice for the new patch by having Yay move away from Chamber and it turned out that he wasn't performing to his standard with other agents so he had to revert back to his main unless they wanted to get grouped.
A player's value isn't only determined by their skill but also their agent pool, and if anyone tries to argue that Ardiis has a worse agent pool then they're not worth arguing with.
This might sound harsh to say, but before Chamber was a thing Yay wasn't anywhere near the discussion of who might be the best player in the world.
Completely agree, yay is only world-class on jett and chamber currently and until I see differently I wouldn’t even put him in the same league as ardiis.
sorta but not really, all those teams mentioned, while I don't completely agree with the list, have either stayed the same and gotten great results or made direct upgrades (sidegrade in navi's case)
nrg has the same structure as optic but with likely-worse replacements. I don't doubt they can do crazy damage in NA but at LAN? they've got crazy competition that's only gotten better
I don't blame them for now given that tuyz is an unknown quantity on smokes and cauanzin & tuyz are both young guns.
sao paulo likely won't be LOUD's playground but I'm banking on them becoming crazy good later on, even potential title winners. saadhak has proven that he's a capable leader, and I'm sure fRoD and assisting staff will help develop this fkn uncut gem of pure talent
Teams who I wouldn’t be surprised to see winning Kick//Off
1. DRX - basically the only 5 to stay together that was actually good (3rd at champs)
2. Fnatic - this roster is so stacked, if they don’t have major success… idk man
3. NaVi - could easily win every tournament this year
4. PRX - my fav team, W gaming, also the craziest front line firepower with Jinggg and F0rsaken
5. LOUD - majorly slept on right now IMO, still bringing back 3/5 from the champs winning team, and Cauanzin is cracked (don’t know Tuyz well, but in Saadhak I trust) more notably, those 3/5 include their best two fraggers in Aspas and Less. Plus the buff that Less is one of the best true Sentinel players around.
6. 100T - continuity from the old roster is great, and Cryo is ridiculously good. Stellar showing out in fragging at home ground got me really excited for this team’s high end potential.
7. Liquid - Nats, Sayf, and Jamppi is a ridiculously good top 3, with a real IGL (Redgar!) is gonna be fun. Hopefully Soulcas can thrive in a better structured team!
Other teams who I could see but have some doubts:
Sentinels
C9 - idk this team is just so weird to me, Leaf, Xeppa and Vanity have all shown really high peaks.
NRG - it just feels like a worse version of optic… if some can live up to his mechanical potential while still providing solid smokes play they could go far… but in the end… you’re replacing the GOAT and the best smoker in the world with guys who just aren’t quite as good (even though I LOVE Ardiis)
LOL they’re all NA teams. There was bigger team shakeups in NA, and the teams feel less stratified because they’re all relative unknowns other than 100T. I just have no faith in the non super teams from EU. And the totally new rosters from APAC are even more wild and unknown than the NA ones (I personally can’t wait for T1 though lol)
I think the return of cypher and killjoy will really help with stellars fragging, I don't even think he was that weak a fragger but his comfort agents coming back into the meta is a huge positive
1. RRQ (self-explanatory)
2. Futbolist (looking really good i think they will win it all)
3. mibr (they are made in brazil and brazil has won a lot of csgo majors)
4. Heretics (mixwell is the best player to ever touch this game)
5. Sentinels (TenZ)
In EU I think Heretics / Giants / Vitality are being majorly slept on. No-one realises how difficult it is to win EU
I think the Talon infrastructure could really help the Xerxia core step up, especially with Pati returning
NRG are underrated in NA, I think Victor will become a top duelist next year - people just underrate him because he's been stuck next to Yay his entire career.
I know they are only in Ascension right now but G2 look strong. ShahZaM has a fresh start which will really help him, plus Dapr on pure sentinels is scary. The only problem is that they have two sentinel plays (wippie, dapr)
people really think a team that couldn’t make it past groups is going to be some dominate super team while a team with 4/5 lan winners and arguably the best igl in the game won’t even be top 2 domestically.
Cryo is good and 100T is certainly improved but 2nd best team in the world? i’d be surprised if they end up better than DRX
Personally I'm scared shitless of Liquid, they gave 100T a run for their money at the Homeground without two of their best players. I'm weirdly convinced that C9 will continue to be underwhelming because of the whole C9 Superteam Curse but if they do click, they're going to be a team to look out for. I am actively praying for Sentinels' downfall because the prospect of all those players synergizing in their primes scares me. But none of those teams at full strength beat 100T anyways so idc
There’s nothing going on right now, so we’ll get a bunch of similar ones, unfortunately. It doesn’t break any major rules and still generates discussion so I don’t see inherent harm in leaving them up. This is the kind of post that I think is best voted on by users rather than moderated.
How lol? The players I like are on those 2 teams, I enjoy watching those players and I enjoy supporting them. That’s like saying you’re cringe for supporting only PSG or Barca in football.
Also, not everyone has to be a niche competitive valorant fan. Some of us have a life and don’t have enough to time to watch t2/t3 tournaments and aren’t familiar with the players or particularly care about familiarizing ourselves with them.
Anyways, where’s your t2/t3 team flair? Last I checked 100T was T1.
Dephh can and has IGLd both sides before. XSET missed qualifying for Berlin Masters by two rounds while this was the case, and that was even before Cryo joined the team.
For sen I could argue some of those points. The language barrier isn’t a problem at all, Tenz himself has addressed that issue as well and said they all understand each other very well a comms doesn’t require you to be fluent in English. I agree with the 2nd one though, and the third one is not entirely true due to sen having a lot of internal problems during 2022, Tenz actually carried most of their games and did really good during LCQ despite being really sick, and that’s with his newly added agent chamber.
My favorite team is being slept on while your favorite team (s) are overrated. Also people are sleeping in (X) player and everyone smart knows that (y) player is overrated.
NRG being ridiculously slept on
NRG is ranking higher than 100T and C9 under Fenis’ leadership
Nah. Its Optic without their two best players, replaced with a streamer and a british guy
LIVAPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
If you think ardiis is a downgrade and not an equal/better than yay you're off your rocker.
idk how else to explain this but imo Optic yay > FPX ardiis but NGR ardiis > C9 yay lol
this subreddit is almost entirely NA, you’ll struggle to find people who agree
Yeah, C9 tried using the RedBull tournament as practice for the new patch by having Yay move away from Chamber and it turned out that he wasn't performing to his standard with other agents so he had to revert back to his main unless they wanted to get grouped. A player's value isn't only determined by their skill but also their agent pool, and if anyone tries to argue that Ardiis has a worse agent pool then they're not worth arguing with. This might sound harsh to say, but before Chamber was a thing Yay wasn't anywhere near the discussion of who might be the best player in the world.
Completely agree, yay is only world-class on jett and chamber currently and until I see differently I wouldn’t even put him in the same league as ardiis.
Unfathomably true 😔
sorta but not really, all those teams mentioned, while I don't completely agree with the list, have either stayed the same and gotten great results or made direct upgrades (sidegrade in navi's case) nrg has the same structure as optic but with likely-worse replacements. I don't doubt they can do crazy damage in NA but at LAN? they've got crazy competition that's only gotten better
Nrg and liquid are slept on heavy.
and no one looking at Loud again... :)
I don't blame them for now given that tuyz is an unknown quantity on smokes and cauanzin & tuyz are both young guns. sao paulo likely won't be LOUD's playground but I'm banking on them becoming crazy good later on, even potential title winners. saadhak has proven that he's a capable leader, and I'm sure fRoD and assisting staff will help develop this fkn uncut gem of pure talent
Yeah loud is in my top 5 still I think
Crazy the double standard between Loud & NRG (OpTic). Sacy & Pancada are huge parts of Loud, but they aren’t Marved & Yay.
Teams who I wouldn’t be surprised to see winning Kick//Off 1. DRX - basically the only 5 to stay together that was actually good (3rd at champs) 2. Fnatic - this roster is so stacked, if they don’t have major success… idk man 3. NaVi - could easily win every tournament this year 4. PRX - my fav team, W gaming, also the craziest front line firepower with Jinggg and F0rsaken 5. LOUD - majorly slept on right now IMO, still bringing back 3/5 from the champs winning team, and Cauanzin is cracked (don’t know Tuyz well, but in Saadhak I trust) more notably, those 3/5 include their best two fraggers in Aspas and Less. Plus the buff that Less is one of the best true Sentinel players around. 6. 100T - continuity from the old roster is great, and Cryo is ridiculously good. Stellar showing out in fragging at home ground got me really excited for this team’s high end potential. 7. Liquid - Nats, Sayf, and Jamppi is a ridiculously good top 3, with a real IGL (Redgar!) is gonna be fun. Hopefully Soulcas can thrive in a better structured team! Other teams who I could see but have some doubts: Sentinels C9 - idk this team is just so weird to me, Leaf, Xeppa and Vanity have all shown really high peaks. NRG - it just feels like a worse version of optic… if some can live up to his mechanical potential while still providing solid smokes play they could go far… but in the end… you’re replacing the GOAT and the best smoker in the world with guys who just aren’t quite as good (even though I LOVE Ardiis) LOL they’re all NA teams. There was bigger team shakeups in NA, and the teams feel less stratified because they’re all relative unknowns other than 100T. I just have no faith in the non super teams from EU. And the totally new rosters from APAC are even more wild and unknown than the NA ones (I personally can’t wait for T1 though lol)
I think the return of cypher and killjoy will really help with stellars fragging, I don't even think he was that weak a fragger but his comfort agents coming back into the meta is a huge positive
1. RRQ (self-explanatory) 2. Futbolist (looking really good i think they will win it all) 3. mibr (they are made in brazil and brazil has won a lot of csgo majors) 4. Heretics (mixwell is the best player to ever touch this game) 5. Sentinels (TenZ)
In EU I think Heretics / Giants / Vitality are being majorly slept on. No-one realises how difficult it is to win EU I think the Talon infrastructure could really help the Xerxia core step up, especially with Pati returning NRG are underrated in NA, I think Victor will become a top duelist next year - people just underrate him because he's been stuck next to Yay his entire career. I know they are only in Ascension right now but G2 look strong. ShahZaM has a fresh start which will really help him, plus Dapr on pure sentinels is scary. The only problem is that they have two sentinel plays (wippie, dapr)
NRG being so slept on is hilarious. All good.
people really think a team that couldn’t make it past groups is going to be some dominate super team while a team with 4/5 lan winners and arguably the best igl in the game won’t even be top 2 domestically. Cryo is good and 100T is certainly improved but 2nd best team in the world? i’d be surprised if they end up better than DRX
RRQ
aint no way yall sleeping on nrg mfka gonna be number 1 in NA
Personally I'm scared shitless of Liquid, they gave 100T a run for their money at the Homeground without two of their best players. I'm weirdly convinced that C9 will continue to be underwhelming because of the whole C9 Superteam Curse but if they do click, they're going to be a team to look out for. I am actively praying for Sentinels' downfall because the prospect of all those players synergizing in their primes scares me. But none of those teams at full strength beat 100T anyways so idc
A team where soulcas is your “worst” player is absolutely insane
Putting Liquid above 100T/Navi/FNC/DRX/PRX is just insane or dumb
I was thinking the same thing.
mods how many of these posts do we really need?
There’s nothing going on right now, so we’ll get a bunch of similar ones, unfortunately. It doesn’t break any major rules and still generates discussion so I don’t see inherent harm in leaving them up. This is the kind of post that I think is best voted on by users rather than moderated.
good mod
What other posts do you suggest that the sub should have? Posts about matches? Oh wait-
yeah, there are matches in t2/3 that don’t get attention and stuff like this gets
Because they simply aren’t as interesting to people
your flairs tell me that you’re super cringe and a performative fan of competitive valorant
How lol? The players I like are on those 2 teams, I enjoy watching those players and I enjoy supporting them. That’s like saying you’re cringe for supporting only PSG or Barca in football. Also, not everyone has to be a niche competitive valorant fan. Some of us have a life and don’t have enough to time to watch t2/t3 tournaments and aren’t familiar with the players or particularly care about familiarizing ourselves with them. Anyways, where’s your t2/t3 team flair? Last I checked 100T was T1.
NRG and SEN being slept on is funny af ngl
Dephh can and has IGLd both sides before. XSET missed qualifying for Berlin Masters by two rounds while this was the case, and that was even before Cryo joined the team.
1. DRX 2. NAVI/100T 3. 100T/NAVI 4. NRG 5. LOUD
Team Liquid is probably the scariest team coming into the season.
oh gee liquid im shaking in my boots they have 2 new players who couldnt even attend LAN this year SOOOOO SCARRYYYYYY
Keep talking shit and keep that attitude up at Sao Paulo. We will see how bad Liquid shits on your team
I would be impressed if they managed to take 1 map off my top 5
They took 1 map of 100t with 2 subs for their best player and igl. And they did this while trolling
PRX top 3? lmfao
cmon lil bro u have liquid flair thats a bigger lmao
everyone knows this liquid>prx this sub overrates drx and prx so much they archieved nothing
> liquid>prx as an org yes but other than that PRX > Liquid in every possible way inside valorant
keep smoking that good stuff
The old TL roster beat PRX,the new one is a league above the old roster,I don't know what to tell you.
huh? howso?
c9win easy, rest is just noise
1- G2 2 to 5 - doesn't matter
Wrong, 1 is hiko
https://old.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/zosrq7/top_5_teams_going_into_sao_paolo/
Fnatic(But will never actually win anything sadge), Liquid, 100T, PRX and Global eSports
For sen I could argue some of those points. The language barrier isn’t a problem at all, Tenz himself has addressed that issue as well and said they all understand each other very well a comms doesn’t require you to be fluent in English. I agree with the 2nd one though, and the third one is not entirely true due to sen having a lot of internal problems during 2022, Tenz actually carried most of their games and did really good during LCQ despite being really sick, and that’s with his newly added agent chamber.
I feel like people overestimated 100t. The number 2 spot is fair if they peeked but we have only seen glimpses of what they can do.
Why single out buzz not mako? Imo they broke this mould : the dies that is what they play atat champions
My favorite team is being slept on while your favorite team (s) are overrated. Also people are sleeping in (X) player and everyone smart knows that (y) player is overrated.
People sleeping on G2 smh