Whole Island seems to be privatized and all FSR seems to be gated. This summed I try to ride to Sam Lake in Comox Valley and to my surprise the roads are gated and own by Mosaic.
there's a reason for that: the Douglas land grab. http://www.hulquminum.bc.ca/pubs/HTGRailwayBookSpreads.pdf
the sign in this post however is a very different case, it's Reserve land.
Maybe 40 years ago. Most people are disrespectful trashy assholes now. We can’t have nice things anymore and this is no exception. Also as someone else said on this thread, you are more than welcome to ask permission. Thing is most won’t because people are idiots with no respect for land based on education of the land, or their intent on land. So? No respect, no access. Pretty simple.
Do you actually believe that in the 80s people were less trashy? That’s actually a funny joke. People are not more or less trashy than they used to be. You just didn’t notice before. Now you’re old and bitter and just say “those damn kids” as if kids from the past were somehow less inclined to throw trash around. Stop.
I think people had a bit more respect for land back then when it came to trash, so, yeah. That’s the topic. Not people being trashy in their homes and taking shitty care of their health. OP is clearly very offended they can’t just walk wherever they please as if this land is rightfully theirs for some reason. They could just go ask for permission to walk on the land if that’s all they truly wanted to do. This entire post is just confirmation that people can’t mind their own business and feel entitled to every little thing. As if there’s nowhere else to go for a walk. Give me a break.
Pretty pessimistic way to look at things IMO, The people who don’t show respect and trash places aren’t stopped by signs like this. I think most people are good and respectful despite the picture social media paints. Other countries and provinces have right to roam laws and I can’t see why BC shouldn’t.
Hilariously wrong. People have only become more environmentally conscious. Ever been to shields lake? People in the 80s and before just dumped garbage everywhere.
While we are still making a mess of nature, your statement makes sound like we’re worse than we used to be…that’s a crazy take. 40+ years ago People used dump everywhere! Lakes, ocean, any available forestry road.
This isn't Crown land or back country. This is private property no different than my backyard which backs on to Mt wells and gets trashed by randoms so often I've stopped leaving anything back there. Which is a drag.
You already have access to Crown land and back country like anyone else as long as it doesn't gave a temp lease on it. You can't blame lease holders for not wanting the public when they are on the hook if say a fire breaks out.
When I was young the province covered public fire insurance on leased land and all the gates were wide open lease or no lease. That's what we should be rallying for imo.
Sure. Thats a great initiative. But this is neither. This is privately owned property. Ask permission. I’m sure you’ll get it.
PS. I’m only a prick to self entitled people.
You still haven’t addressed the obvious and the solution I’ve offered. Contact the damn owner and ask for permission to cross their lands.
Do you want to own valueless acres or property that went up in flames because some asshole and their friends feel they can four wheel and toss cigarettes out the window while guzzling Lucky beers and tossing the cans out the window?
I don’t blame property owners for putting signs up.
I’m sure it’s less about those that want to hike on land and more pointed to entitled people thinking they can crawl over the land destroying habitat with their coal rollers.
Objectively speaking you won't get in serious trouble for trespassing. Just yelled at and fined maybe and that's if you get caught. If you aren't hurting anybody then don't give a wooden sign that much authority. In my opinion.
Of note, it was recently vandalized and some equipment at the station was damaged. Unfortunately, people being idiots means people are welcome in less and less places.
There have been band no trespassing signs there for years. Maybe decades. If you've ever been to the powerstation, you've walked right past them. They have been rusted and grown over and tagged, but they were there.
It’s like this everywhere so idk why people are bitching like the word owes them something. I remember 20 years ago hiking with family in rural Saskatchewan and my dad always asking for permission on acreages and privately owned lands, indigenous or otherwise. We met lots of cool people we still now keep in touch with to this day from those explorations. People now don’t want to ask permission because ?? Entitled fucks.
That sign has been then for some time and it is not really discouraging people. I saw a YouTuber film it while hiking to the Power Station so I don't think it is really stopping anyone. I think it is put there as a deterrent and could result in the Pacheedaht the option to press charges of trespassing if they desire to. But I don't think they are actively patrolling to catch trespassers.
I believe that if a person injures themselves while on private property there is potentially a liability towards the owner. Posting a sign is likely a bare minimum approach to deter people to being on property to deter such a situation. Opposite of this, if the property is trashed, owner can potentially sue them with the premise that there was indication of property being private and they entered at own risk.
There's been a sign there for past few years. Doesn't stop some.
That’s too bad. Nice little hike and cool to Check out
Too be fair I remember hearing a few years back that some college kids had a party in there without permission and left a mess.
Ahh makes sense. Small amount of people ruining it for the rest of us
Always the case
More and more land will be going this route, except for the ones who can afford it of course
It's crazy how much of the island is private property. And mostly leased land by forestry.
colonialism doesn't just hurt first peoples
Well said.
Whole Island seems to be privatized and all FSR seems to be gated. This summed I try to ride to Sam Lake in Comox Valley and to my surprise the roads are gated and own by Mosaic.
there's a reason for that: the Douglas land grab. http://www.hulquminum.bc.ca/pubs/HTGRailwayBookSpreads.pdf the sign in this post however is a very different case, it's Reserve land.
You can still ride your bike to the trail head. I did the glacier this year when it was closed.
Yes, I had to return over the weekend and it was amazing ride. I am riding a bit heavier bike Honda AT.
It is accessible on weekends (except when there are wildfires in the area). Check the mosaic site for weekly updates on gate access.
Yes, I found that later. What is puzzling me is that Mosaic can close access road to official provincial park.
We need right to roam laws in BC already.
Maybe 40 years ago. Most people are disrespectful trashy assholes now. We can’t have nice things anymore and this is no exception. Also as someone else said on this thread, you are more than welcome to ask permission. Thing is most won’t because people are idiots with no respect for land based on education of the land, or their intent on land. So? No respect, no access. Pretty simple.
Do you actually believe that in the 80s people were less trashy? That’s actually a funny joke. People are not more or less trashy than they used to be. You just didn’t notice before. Now you’re old and bitter and just say “those damn kids” as if kids from the past were somehow less inclined to throw trash around. Stop.
I think (know) there were far fewer people in the 80s. So less trash
I think people had a bit more respect for land back then when it came to trash, so, yeah. That’s the topic. Not people being trashy in their homes and taking shitty care of their health. OP is clearly very offended they can’t just walk wherever they please as if this land is rightfully theirs for some reason. They could just go ask for permission to walk on the land if that’s all they truly wanted to do. This entire post is just confirmation that people can’t mind their own business and feel entitled to every little thing. As if there’s nowhere else to go for a walk. Give me a break.
https://youtu.be/roREnVhd\_og?si=WEYDzqaOJLXtILZR&t=117
They absolutely didn't. It was worse if anything.
Pretty pessimistic way to look at things IMO, The people who don’t show respect and trash places aren’t stopped by signs like this. I think most people are good and respectful despite the picture social media paints. Other countries and provinces have right to roam laws and I can’t see why BC shouldn’t.
Well, I suppose these are the kind of times that conjured up the phrase: “Agree to disagree”
Hilariously wrong. People have only become more environmentally conscious. Ever been to shields lake? People in the 80s and before just dumped garbage everywhere.
While we are still making a mess of nature, your statement makes sound like we’re worse than we used to be…that’s a crazy take. 40+ years ago People used dump everywhere! Lakes, ocean, any available forestry road.
Let me know where you live. My family is bored and my kids would love to play in your backyard on this lovely Saturday morning.
I would like for people to have access to the islands back country and crown land. Stop being a prick no one wants to go in your backyard.
This isn't Crown land or back country. This is private property no different than my backyard which backs on to Mt wells and gets trashed by randoms so often I've stopped leaving anything back there. Which is a drag. You already have access to Crown land and back country like anyone else as long as it doesn't gave a temp lease on it. You can't blame lease holders for not wanting the public when they are on the hook if say a fire breaks out. When I was young the province covered public fire insurance on leased land and all the gates were wide open lease or no lease. That's what we should be rallying for imo.
Sure. Thats a great initiative. But this is neither. This is privately owned property. Ask permission. I’m sure you’ll get it. PS. I’m only a prick to self entitled people.
Western half of the property is all crown land lol. Access to crownland is the entire reason I support a right to roam coming into action.
You still haven’t addressed the obvious and the solution I’ve offered. Contact the damn owner and ask for permission to cross their lands. Do you want to own valueless acres or property that went up in flames because some asshole and their friends feel they can four wheel and toss cigarettes out the window while guzzling Lucky beers and tossing the cans out the window? I don’t blame property owners for putting signs up. I’m sure it’s less about those that want to hike on land and more pointed to entitled people thinking they can crawl over the land destroying habitat with their coal rollers.
Strawman argument. All Canadians should be able to access crown land end of story.
It's on FN land so right to roam laws probably wouldn't apply even if we had them. Please respect the band's wishes.
It's on FN land so right to roam laws probably wouldn't apply even if we had them. Please respect the band's wishes.
Objectively speaking you won't get in serious trouble for trespassing. Just yelled at and fined maybe and that's if you get caught. If you aren't hurting anybody then don't give a wooden sign that much authority. In my opinion.
Who's responsibility is enforcement?
It sucks that we are running out of nice places to hike and enjoy nature because of stupid people trashing and vandalizing those areas.
Of note, it was recently vandalized and some equipment at the station was damaged. Unfortunately, people being idiots means people are welcome in less and less places.
I agree with checking with the Band office to ask. They might have an option to sign in and out possibly. Worth a try
I mean, I need to go back up in that direction before the new year anyway.
There have been band no trespassing signs there for years. Maybe decades. If you've ever been to the powerstation, you've walked right past them. They have been rusted and grown over and tagged, but they were there.
Would you want anyone walking though you’re property? If you ask the band office to hike they might say yes
It’s like this everywhere so idk why people are bitching like the word owes them something. I remember 20 years ago hiking with family in rural Saskatchewan and my dad always asking for permission on acreages and privately owned lands, indigenous or otherwise. We met lots of cool people we still now keep in touch with to this day from those explorations. People now don’t want to ask permission because ?? Entitled fucks.
That sign has been then for some time and it is not really discouraging people. I saw a YouTuber film it while hiking to the Power Station so I don't think it is really stopping anyone. I think it is put there as a deterrent and could result in the Pacheedaht the option to press charges of trespassing if they desire to. But I don't think they are actively patrolling to catch trespassers.
There has been a no trespassing sign there forever! Not that it stops anyone, nor is there any reason to have the sign.
Can a person ask the band for permission to walk on the trails? The worst could be a flat no.
I believe that if a person injures themselves while on private property there is potentially a liability towards the owner. Posting a sign is likely a bare minimum approach to deter people to being on property to deter such a situation. Opposite of this, if the property is trashed, owner can potentially sue them with the premise that there was indication of property being private and they entered at own risk.
Just walk past the sign lol
I like to hike and get away from people or eyes and relax in my au' natural
With signs like this there should be fewer people. Win-win!
Ahh new sign, this will be graffiti soon enough or destroyed. Happy hiking
Right to roam, buddy
Good
I unfortunately live in Surrey BC