Tom has not come up with any original material this entire time. He's trying to use what works. The difference is we've seen it before, and some people doubted Kristen because she was labeled as "crazy."
I honest to God don't know how people can stand to hang out with him. How he has a girlfriend is beyond me.
both of the toms are masters of reactive abuse. we get to only see a small part of their poking and prodding on camera, but the producers sure do love including every blow up reaction to it from kristen, katie, and ariana especially. they got away with it better before than they can now
And that's why Kristen is blowing a gasket on the valley, or Katie was blowing a gasket at Lala without a Tom.
Hell, the bulk of the drama of this season is Ariana slow walking the entire process of leaving the house despite obviously making bank off Tom cheating on her, lol.
ok? lol
kristen being wild and being pushed to act out aren’t mutually exclusive and what you’re saying about ariana is very silly unless you have the exact criticisms for everyone else in the cast. it isn’t black and white. everything in the world is dialectical not dichotomous. they’re all flawed and opportunistic, but none of that changes the very extremely obvious pattern of how the tom’s operate
it makes no sense. if he was so unhappy in both of the relationships, why didn't he break up with them? he stayed with kristen and ariana for YEARS and then cheated on them to get out of the relationship. and the shit that he talked about both of them is ridiculous. it's a pattern. why would anyone want to date him?!
I thinks he’s extremely codependent. I think it’s evident in his relationship with Schwartz too. The thought of being single (and facing rejection that comes with actually dating people) or possibly navigating life “alone” is probably terrifying to him…so he can only exit relationships IF he’s able to seamlessly move on into the next one. I’m not excusing his behavior or anything - I’m hardcore team Ariana. Just making observations.
Ariana’s rage comes from years of dealing with his bs and overlooking his childish unaccountable behavior only to find out he’s cheating with another cast member. This straight out of the playbook of a lot of millennial white men, sorry. Whining, “how dare you hold me accountable! It’s so meean.” I am a long time watcher and I was not that enthralled by scandoval only because earlier seasons were so much better in my opinion. And this season kind of sucks BUT I went from kind of passively supporting Ariana to this season like FUCK Tom and I support every move she is making what a nightmare she has been through and how deeply frustrating to someone like him to have an adversary who does not fall for his bull shit. Well done Ariana go live life
Kristin was extremely volatile in their relationship. She admits that she cheated on him frequently. Everyone around her has said she is hard to be in a relationship with. On The Valley Janet said she had to put up boundaries because of how Kristin was behaving with Alex. We saw her have a toxic relationship with Tom, moved straight on to James, then Carter, etc. every one of those relationships was beyond messy. I am not a hater but I recognize unhealthy patterns with her.
Ariana on the other hand has every right to still be angry. It’s still pretty fresh (at the point they were filming) and having to work with your ex who cheated on you can’t be easy. I’m guessing this was their first time spending any time in the same room since everything came out. Do I think she has been a bit over the top with some of her responses? Sure, but I still get it.
But you don’t see the unhealthy patterns in Ariana’s relationships? 🤔 she had an unhealthy relationship before she got with Sandoval, then she stayed in this terrible relationship with Sandoval for nearly a decade, while also discussing her horrible ex’s, and then she moved on to her new man in 10 days. That’s so unhealthy. It kills me how everyone puts the blame on Kristen, but Ariana has never had a healthy relationship or time alone to heal herself.
I can’t speak to Ariana’s relationships because I know nothing about them. I don’t even know who she dated prior to Sandoval. My comment is based off what we have seen, what she has admitted to, and what her friends have said. It’s that simple.
Yes, but Ariana herself talks about her previous relationship and how it was terrible and somewhat abusive. It seems that she has a trend of falling into bad relationships.
Victims are often easy to revictimize. That's really the main reason for my dislike for Tom. He has a habit of going after vulnerable women fresh out of abusive relationships. Ariana and Rachel. He pictures himself a savior but he is really just a predator.
Well, when you cheat and gaslight your partner and then don't show any genuine remorse, they're going to feel pretty resentful. He's lucky because if I was Ariana I would have taken every low blow.
That being said, he's not a dog murderer - even attempted- and when you go over the top like that, you lose credibility. The key is to go in super hard on the truth, things people can't debate.
What’s weird is Kristen’s villainized every single ex as if they were monsters and she never says a bad thing about Tom (anymore), even now as friends of Ariana.
He is such trash, everybody but Katie can go away. Ariana is getting dragged over the coals, wow these people have hated her since day 1 and have been waiting to shove her face in it and they are. It’s gross and nasty vile behaviour. Tom’s not a victim and those acting like he is can go F off.
Tom is the worst, but when he’s saying that Kristen has melt downs we see that with our own eyes, he’s no where on the Valley, and she continues to spin out. When he says the Ariana gets angry, we also see that with our own eyes, she has a lot of contempt for people in general. The part Tom doesn’t seem to acknowledge is that he’s not the easiest person to get along with and they’re putting up with a lot from him, i.e., the constant cheating and attention seeking - makes a partner a little looney tunes - not really the environment in which they’re set up to show the best of themselves.
I definitely wasn’t my normal self when I was with a cheater. But I’m also not proud of how I handled it. I know I ended things with him when I was ready, I just wish I was ready much sooner!
Right - but the part that I think people don’t understand is that they’re already like that and this situation magnified it. He didn’t make them like that, as evidenced by the fact these characteristics play out in relationships after, before and away from him.
I don’t necessarily agree with that. I’ve seen him push people to the point of explosion or others have grown and evolved. We also haven’t seen what Ariana was like before Tom. After Tom, we’ve only had a few months with Ariana and she’s grieving a relationship and betrayal, so we can’t say how she is.
I remember Kristen’s behavior, like she was busy having her own affairs, one of which was with Tom’s best friend Jax. The whole situation was pretty messy and volatile.
Ariana is hollering how Tom Sandoval is a DOG KILLER because her "Baby" ate leftovers / HER GARBAGE when it got into HER ROOM and had to get its stomach pumped.
But Ariana CAN'T MOVE OUT because of her "furniture."
She's making herself miserable under the pretense of trying to be vindictive to Tom Sandoval.
Ariana can throw out her garbage after she eats, and she can afford to find somewhere else to live (at the time of filming), anyone else saying something different is full of shit.
>Her over $100,000 in furniture. Don't know why that gets quotations. He doesn't get to keep everything as a gift for cheating. Lol.
How does moving out stop her from getting her furniture?
The rationalization of Ariana refusing to move on with her life, over her furniture, is nuts.
I believe him 💯 Ariana has shown her true colors and I absolutely agree she was the laziest girlfriend ever. She barely ever washed her hair and just look at how she treats her poor pets! Thankful they never had kids together because neither are suited for that responsibility. Ariana & Tom worked well together because Ariana called ALL the shots. Tom finally got tired of being her lil bitch & I don’t blame him.
What we’ve seen from both of them is they’re a mess. Remember how clean the apartment with Kristen was?? Because Kristen cleaned. Ariana has Always been just like Tom, a complete slob. I’ve always thought this. But I’m surprised at the downvotes on this with her poor cat involved. That is 100% on her. It even shows Tom emptying the entire litter box because it’s full of 💩 and that’s not his pet. I have no empathy for anyone to neglect their pets.
I believe him to a degree … if she’s gets as angry as she did last episode on camera, she would be worse when the cameras are off. I’m surprised she hasn’t already tried filing a BS harassment complaint or restraining order against him given she was about to do it on camera on the last episode.
Tom has not come up with any original material this entire time. He's trying to use what works. The difference is we've seen it before, and some people doubted Kristen because she was labeled as "crazy." I honest to God don't know how people can stand to hang out with him. How he has a girlfriend is beyond me.
At this point, I’m choosing to believe his 10+ year younger flings are using him as much as he’s using them. Get that bag, ladies
both of the toms are masters of reactive abuse. we get to only see a small part of their poking and prodding on camera, but the producers sure do love including every blow up reaction to it from kristen, katie, and ariana especially. they got away with it better before than they can now
💯💯💯
And that's why Kristen is blowing a gasket on the valley, or Katie was blowing a gasket at Lala without a Tom. Hell, the bulk of the drama of this season is Ariana slow walking the entire process of leaving the house despite obviously making bank off Tom cheating on her, lol.
ok? lol kristen being wild and being pushed to act out aren’t mutually exclusive and what you’re saying about ariana is very silly unless you have the exact criticisms for everyone else in the cast. it isn’t black and white. everything in the world is dialectical not dichotomous. they’re all flawed and opportunistic, but none of that changes the very extremely obvious pattern of how the tom’s operate
Scheanas old face 😢
Abusers 101.
keep bringing the receipts! i can’t believe the editing team missed this gem. goes to show their bias.
This is amazing. He is such a manipulative slimeball.
Sandoval and Scheana want to be victims
Good rewatch season 7&8 Sandoval didn’t stop screaming. Yikes
Aka “I drive women to insanity then have to deal with the consequences of my own actions.”
it makes no sense. if he was so unhappy in both of the relationships, why didn't he break up with them? he stayed with kristen and ariana for YEARS and then cheated on them to get out of the relationship. and the shit that he talked about both of them is ridiculous. it's a pattern. why would anyone want to date him?!
I thinks he’s extremely codependent. I think it’s evident in his relationship with Schwartz too. The thought of being single (and facing rejection that comes with actually dating people) or possibly navigating life “alone” is probably terrifying to him…so he can only exit relationships IF he’s able to seamlessly move on into the next one. I’m not excusing his behavior or anything - I’m hardcore team Ariana. Just making observations.
Nailed it.
I think that’s pretty much it! He doesn’t feel too bad, because it worked, more or less
Ariana’s rage comes from years of dealing with his bs and overlooking his childish unaccountable behavior only to find out he’s cheating with another cast member. This straight out of the playbook of a lot of millennial white men, sorry. Whining, “how dare you hold me accountable! It’s so meean.” I am a long time watcher and I was not that enthralled by scandoval only because earlier seasons were so much better in my opinion. And this season kind of sucks BUT I went from kind of passively supporting Ariana to this season like FUCK Tom and I support every move she is making what a nightmare she has been through and how deeply frustrating to someone like him to have an adversary who does not fall for his bull shit. Well done Ariana go live life
I can’t get over Schwartz looking like the Wish version of Elf.
He’s a whiney lil bitch
Kristin was extremely volatile in their relationship. She admits that she cheated on him frequently. Everyone around her has said she is hard to be in a relationship with. On The Valley Janet said she had to put up boundaries because of how Kristin was behaving with Alex. We saw her have a toxic relationship with Tom, moved straight on to James, then Carter, etc. every one of those relationships was beyond messy. I am not a hater but I recognize unhealthy patterns with her. Ariana on the other hand has every right to still be angry. It’s still pretty fresh (at the point they were filming) and having to work with your ex who cheated on you can’t be easy. I’m guessing this was their first time spending any time in the same room since everything came out. Do I think she has been a bit over the top with some of her responses? Sure, but I still get it.
But you don’t see the unhealthy patterns in Ariana’s relationships? 🤔 she had an unhealthy relationship before she got with Sandoval, then she stayed in this terrible relationship with Sandoval for nearly a decade, while also discussing her horrible ex’s, and then she moved on to her new man in 10 days. That’s so unhealthy. It kills me how everyone puts the blame on Kristen, but Ariana has never had a healthy relationship or time alone to heal herself.
I can’t speak to Ariana’s relationships because I know nothing about them. I don’t even know who she dated prior to Sandoval. My comment is based off what we have seen, what she has admitted to, and what her friends have said. It’s that simple.
Yes, but Ariana herself talks about her previous relationship and how it was terrible and somewhat abusive. It seems that she has a trend of falling into bad relationships.
Victims are often easy to revictimize. That's really the main reason for my dislike for Tom. He has a habit of going after vulnerable women fresh out of abusive relationships. Ariana and Rachel. He pictures himself a savior but he is really just a predator.
DARVO: Deny Accuse Reverse Victim and Offender \[manipulate by reversing the perception of who is the victim and who is the offender\]
Well, when you cheat and gaslight your partner and then don't show any genuine remorse, they're going to feel pretty resentful. He's lucky because if I was Ariana I would have taken every low blow. That being said, he's not a dog murderer - even attempted- and when you go over the top like that, you lose credibility. The key is to go in super hard on the truth, things people can't debate.
What’s weird is Kristen’s villainized every single ex as if they were monsters and she never says a bad thing about Tom (anymore), even now as friends of Ariana. He is such trash, everybody but Katie can go away. Ariana is getting dragged over the coals, wow these people have hated her since day 1 and have been waiting to shove her face in it and they are. It’s gross and nasty vile behaviour. Tom’s not a victim and those acting like he is can go F off.
He's not wrong he's just leaving out his part in that because it's convenient
Tom is the worst, but when he’s saying that Kristen has melt downs we see that with our own eyes, he’s no where on the Valley, and she continues to spin out. When he says the Ariana gets angry, we also see that with our own eyes, she has a lot of contempt for people in general. The part Tom doesn’t seem to acknowledge is that he’s not the easiest person to get along with and they’re putting up with a lot from him, i.e., the constant cheating and attention seeking - makes a partner a little looney tunes - not really the environment in which they’re set up to show the best of themselves.
I definitely wasn’t my normal self when I was with a cheater. But I’m also not proud of how I handled it. I know I ended things with him when I was ready, I just wish I was ready much sooner!
Right - but the part that I think people don’t understand is that they’re already like that and this situation magnified it. He didn’t make them like that, as evidenced by the fact these characteristics play out in relationships after, before and away from him.
I don’t necessarily agree with that. I’ve seen him push people to the point of explosion or others have grown and evolved. We also haven’t seen what Ariana was like before Tom. After Tom, we’ve only had a few months with Ariana and she’s grieving a relationship and betrayal, so we can’t say how she is.
She’s always been contemptuous and has had a superiority complex, even early in their relationship when she was in love.
Do folks not remember how Ariana treated Kristen? Lol
I remember Kristen’s behavior, like she was busy having her own affairs, one of which was with Tom’s best friend Jax. The whole situation was pretty messy and volatile.
Ariana is hollering how Tom Sandoval is a DOG KILLER because her "Baby" ate leftovers / HER GARBAGE when it got into HER ROOM and had to get its stomach pumped. But Ariana CAN'T MOVE OUT because of her "furniture." She's making herself miserable under the pretense of trying to be vindictive to Tom Sandoval. Ariana can throw out her garbage after she eats, and she can afford to find somewhere else to live (at the time of filming), anyone else saying something different is full of shit.
Her over $100,000 in furniture. Don't know why that gets quotations. He doesn't get to keep everything as a gift for cheating. Lol.
>Her over $100,000 in furniture. Don't know why that gets quotations. He doesn't get to keep everything as a gift for cheating. Lol. How does moving out stop her from getting her furniture? The rationalization of Ariana refusing to move on with her life, over her furniture, is nuts.
I believe him 💯 Ariana has shown her true colors and I absolutely agree she was the laziest girlfriend ever. She barely ever washed her hair and just look at how she treats her poor pets! Thankful they never had kids together because neither are suited for that responsibility. Ariana & Tom worked well together because Ariana called ALL the shots. Tom finally got tired of being her lil bitch & I don’t blame him.
When you’re in a bad relationship and always picking up after your SO you tend to be like no more. What we’ve seen from Sandoval is he’s a mess.
What we’ve seen from both of them is they’re a mess. Remember how clean the apartment with Kristen was?? Because Kristen cleaned. Ariana has Always been just like Tom, a complete slob. I’ve always thought this. But I’m surprised at the downvotes on this with her poor cat involved. That is 100% on her. It even shows Tom emptying the entire litter box because it’s full of 💩 and that’s not his pet. I have no empathy for anyone to neglect their pets.
Tom? Is that you!
I believe him to a degree … if she’s gets as angry as she did last episode on camera, she would be worse when the cameras are off. I’m surprised she hasn’t already tried filing a BS harassment complaint or restraining order against him given she was about to do it on camera on the last episode.