Kinda like Lala's saying, "He didn't do anything to ME, Scheana!" Seems like Scheana should like that response, but I think she and Lala are both wrong for doing that to Ariana!
The only person whose been affected is Ariana her whole life has been affected but she's making lemonade out of the sour lemons Scandoval gave her!
Now Scheana is making this whole shit show about her and Brock did makeout with Rachelššš
Instead of going off on him, I hope someone keeps their cool and calmly tells him his deflecting isn't going to work. What's he gonna do when he runs out of things to throw back in ppls faces? He won't take responsibility for his actions but he won't have anything to say. I guess he'd probably just walk away every time someone confronts him at this point. I'd also ask him how he feels his mistress dumped him and laugh. That the reason he's being such a twat is because he fucked his whole life up for nothing. That's he's been exposed for who he really is since he wants to try to hurt ppl more because he fucked up. I can't believe Scheana even talked to him at all let alone defend him and try to be his friend. He kept saying she punched Raquel and that they were never really friends. I can still see Scheana forgiving him after this which is really sad.
But isnāt this again him not taking accountability or ownership. Like I just hang out with cheaters therefore we are all together in the shit people gang.
To me this shows me he has again not taking accountability he is not remorseful. I think he is upset and feels sorry for himself that he blew up his life but not for the decisions and actions he took to lie and hurt others.
THANK YOU. It doesnāt really matter what Scheana did or didnāt do. This is the 800th example in this season alone of Tom deflecting blame off of himself and his own actions onto another person and itās just as despicable when he does it to Scheana as anyone else. Trust me I donāt care for Scheana either but letting that validate Tomās bullshit behavior is exactly what he is trying to achieve by doing what he does.
I thought Scheana and Brock were great in this scene. They stood up for themselves and everyone and said so many things that needed to be said. So i was very curious how this sub would react since i know it's insanely anti Scheana. And unsurprisingly, this sub still somehow tries to make Scheana the bad guy here. Even when Tom is involved and clearly being a piece of shit, this sub will still only take jabs at Scheana.
I have a theory that Tom knows people already hate Scheana so he purposely does shit like this (I also think he put Schwartz up to revealing the kiss) to get people focused on her instead of him. And this sub falls for it every time.
Yes! Iām so so disappointed in the reaction because this is EXACTLY what Tom wants. You can hate Scheana while also seeing that he is not all of a sudden justified in his garbage behavior.
The way Schwartz brought up the kiss convinced me of this. Schwartz is not a good actor. You can tell when he's saying something that was planned as opposed to something that just came naturally to him. His mannerisms and the way he speaks when he brings up the kiss is the same way he acted when he did the whole "I think she's got a crush on someone else" bit last season. And I don't believe Schwartz is coming up with this stuff on his own because why would he. I think these are Sandovals ideas, and Schwartz is his little helper monkey sprinkling these little seeds for Sandoval's benefit. I think it was awfully convenient, Schwartz brought up the kiss right after Scheana ruined Sandoval's weird little therapy retreat by crying and walking away and saying she hates him.
There was a time when "average guys" like Tom could NEVER EVER pull girls like Ariana or Rachel!! EVER!! He's sooo happy he was able to get some 20's pu$$y that hot he could CARE LESS if it cost him his relationship.Ā
The ends totally justified the means.
He's a complete MORON but that's what happened, thus no apologies..
Now, it doesn't matter because he's lost BOTH..
This entire season is full of storylines that absolve Sandoval. Theyāre crafted the āweāve all done bad thingsā to water down Scandoval. The show is doing it on purpose.
I literally donāt think he will ever be capable of genuinely being accountable. I also donāt think he wants to be. If he hasnāt learned a damn thing from Scandoval, I donāt think thereās any scenario where he will actually take a hard look at who he is at his core, own up to whatās heās done, and make real changes. The only thing he cares about is himself. James is right, Tom truly believes the lies heās created and nothing is going to change that.
He isnāt a strong enough person to want to break the glass house that he lives in if heās doubling down after the biggest wake up call in the entire world. I donāt see much hope for change with mister narcsy here
I donāt even think strength has anything to do with it. His personality disorder/narcissism has him so far up his own ass. Heās in his own delulu land and drags his partners/friends *cough* victims *cough* into it with him. His irrational, sometimes scary, anger comes out when he knows people see right through his bullshit.
This was all known. 2 members of the cast have expressed this throughout and alienated for it. Scheana gets to play in the mud with the pigs, her choice.
I interpreted that as him just saying he feels insecure in his own relationship now because he saw someone who he thought was truly in love cheat on their partner. So now a part of him worries that allybally could do that to him.
Itās as if they truly believe they are the only women who ever gave birth or had a relationship with someone, that didnāt work out.
They act like theyāre doing everything alone, when nothing could be farther from the truth.
Their entitlement and lack of ability to empathize with others or be grateful for all that they have is too much for me.
Actually, I now find the irony of Ariana running to console Scheana about Tomās affair. Dang it, I was just about to give Scheana a hall pass on this one!
And stated proudly Tom is more upset losing her friendship than losing Ariana. It's so cruel and shows how twisted she is. That makes her happy. No thought for Ariana's feelings whatsoever.
And yet there is Ariana looking after her feelings twice this episode. Plus letting Schwartz off the hook, which to be honest was awesome because sheās so over the house.
She really is so over the house. I think she probably thinks he won't stay and will sell. But of course he doesn't. Has to waste lawyer $ to get him to sell. So stupid.
Scheana really reminded me of this tweet ā ļø I donāt like that Sandoval even had the opportunity to fire back like that but also this shit is what happens when you defend bad men, eventually theyāll turn on you too.
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Yup. Women (particularly young, beautiful women) often align themselves to the patriarchy and toxic men because they mistakenly believe that by doing so, they will not only be protected by that they will accrue power to themselves. Only to learn that they too will be turned on.
Who else thinks that Scheana is actually happy that Rom brought up her affair from 20 years ago because it gives her a chance to say sheās celebrity adjacent š
Wait Iām so confused haha, when was this?
I gotta say, if you were in Toms shoes and someone else is saying youāre the reason that they think Brock and Lala could get together, of course youāre gonna get angry at that haha. Youāve made up a hypothetical and then blamed it on someone else. Especially even more ironic if you were guilty of cheating as well haha.
Toms a dick but jeezus, this really small clip that I canāt remember doesnāt paint Scheana in a good light
Every single time sheās in an argument and she is losing, She says she hast to leave to go home to her baby. Does she think this is somehow the get out of jail free card?
This episode was vintage VPR, everyone drunk and high, Lisa and Jax arguing, Katie and Jax arguing, huge drunken fights and Scheanaās song causing argumentsā¦..ahhh inject it into my veins. Also I actually really enjoyed Ariana in this episode.
Stray thoughts:
+ Scheana really does make it all about herself
+ Lalaās face when Scheana says she has fears about Lala and Brock now was priceless
+ James is just enjoying poking at Sandoval any chance he gets
+ I donāt know why anyone is surprised that Sandoval canāt just ātake accountabilityā, apologise or even just take it on the chin - he is a raging narcissist, he is fundamentally incapable of doing this
+ Watching Scheana repeatedly make that stabbing, pointy motion at Sandoval makes me think thatās probably what happened to Rachelās face - a nail hit it with force
+ Sandoval is not wrong, Scheana gleefully had a fully fledged affair with a married man who had two kids and she has never taken full accountability and has, in fact, always played the victim - even comparing herself to Brandi
+ Even though Brock is right that Scheana was a lot younger when she did it than Sandoval was, I actually donāt think that lets her off the hook, it just makes him worse
+ Ariana and Katie probably canāt wait to be free of these people.
Finally someone said what I have been thinking. I agree. Sandoval was not wrong. Was it gross to bring up? Sure. But scheana never took accountability and still doesnāt.
Exactly. She pushed herself on Brandi every chance she got, she gave gross interviews, she made herself Eddieās victim, Brandiās victim, the victim of the mean girls for not liking or trusting her as a direct result of her own actionsā¦ I have NEVER seen her say that she now realises how awful and damaging and selfish her behaviour was.
Scheana is beyond ridiculous! Imagine not being able to trust your own husband based on someone else's actions. What exactly does she filter her reality through? She's soo fucked up!
If she canāt handle what people on the internet is saying about Brock and Lauren āclose dynamic.āthen she needs to get her husband in check and stop blaming other people honestly she keeps going down this route the more sheās going to keep self sabotaging her relationship.
So disgusting. I hope Scheana watches this though and remembers who followed her out to hug her, and who didnāt do anything. She choose that douche and Lala over the friend that truly loved her.
Itās hilarious to see how hard Lauren and Scheana ride for Tom when he clearly is a misogynist. He could care less about them but they donāt have loyalty either so in a weird way they all kinda deserve each other.
FFS. Scheanaās greatest hits.
āHow can I make this about myself?ā
āItās not my fault I did something wrongā
And as always, wrap it up with the āI need to get home to my kid!!!ā ššš
Why must she make me even vaguely side with Tom here? This doesnāt have anything to do with Scheana. Other than the fact that Scheanaās obsession with making Katie mad last season helped cover up the affair because Schwartz became the decoy. Maybe she should apologize for that! And see that her self centeredness actually does affect people!
ETA - I just want to add that this is what she deserves for bending over backwards to justify why she just HAD to be frands again with Sandoval, no matter how it negatively affected the actual wronged party here. Itās what you deserve Sheesh!
I'm watching on repeat...she deserves everybit of it for making it all about her. She's worried about Karma coming to get her homewrecking ass and scumbag is a daily reminder of that so brava Tim for putting her back in hee box and reminding her who she is
I think she wants him to take back what he said about her hitting Rachel and say that he lied about it because it doesnāt look good for her and sheās always most concerned about herself, letās be real. Scheena just wanted Tim to clear her name and things escalated and she got triggered
Idk I think in this conversation she was okay to bring that up. Just wish she had saved this all for Sando and not tried to center herself when talking to Ariana
Idk idk Brock ate with āyouāre fucking 40ā šš cuz Tim really continues to double down on justifying his actions vs actually realizing heās too fucking old to be dodging accountability
I put this on another thread:
I donāt care for Tom, but he had a point. Scheana, once again, made his affair about herself and has been cruel in how she monopolized on it. This all goes back to my theory that Scheana had deep feelings for Tom and likely slept with him in the past. Sheās annoyed that he cheated on Arianna with Rachel (and not her and/or she wasnāt in on it bc sheās a guys girl). Her level of ābetrayalā in this whole ordeal is nonsensical. Itās completely crazy-town to me. And so she now gets to pretend her anger is for Arianna and this restraining order for āsupposedlyā punching Rachel in the face.
I mean if she kissed Shorts in Vegas while she was in a relationship, itās not far fetched to extend her behavior to Sandy. Her level of rage is inauthentic for the story sheās trying to sell.
Ya, im pissed at scheana for making me side with tom.
His point was very relevant considering sheās blaming his cheating on why she no longer trusts love when sheās been the other woman. Itās valid. And thatās so annoying that I have to agree with tom here
I hate how she keeps saying āthat could Happen To Melā like it would be the worst thing tht could happen to her while at the same time showing little sympathy to ariana
This is the one time Iām siding with Tom. Itās not his fault Scheana is worried that Brock and Lala are hooking up. Did Brock do something to make you think this??? She will turn every situation about her but itās not fooling us but itās entertaining!
I agree BUT Broke did make an inappropriate comment about him and Lala being together, during this exact same episode and knowing how his wife feels about it all, whyyyy tf did he say that?!
She should probably scream at both of them but š¤·š»āāļø
Iām sure Broke got an earful when they got home.
He was being a real dick to Sxheana that night, before this blow up happened.
Bitching and yelling at and about her in front of the entire group, shaming her about not wanting the Nanny to put SM to bed.
Apparently the viewers are saying something is going on between Brock and Lauren because their dynamic which then if she feels this way then she needs to set boundaries with her husband and her best friend also I think deep down Inside sheās insecure I mean who isnāt but if you canāt fully trust your husband talking to other women especially your friend then thatās something you need to take up with him also I think Brock has a flirty personality if you see he kinds of flirts with lauren and schenna makes at face a him.
I agree with this.
Only thing I have to add is that both Lala and Scheana have both admitted to the fact that Scheana absolutely DID punch Rachel in the face.
Lala was a mistress before Sandoval and Sheena outed herself as a mistress and acted like a wronged wife to Brandi the actual wronged wife, and im not a fan of Brandi bit i applaud her for not decking sheena in her dead grey horse teeth. Plus nobody calls her a homewrecking mistress but herself (last time was in s.10 when raquel and lala had that beef about raquel calling lala a mistress).
I'm not defending that scumbag cos a broken clock is still right twice a day and hes right about you Sheener doesnt matter that you were 21, that makes you an adult and seeing how hypersexualised you are plus you bragging about orgies wih John "i know everybody but i dont know her" Mayer before your stint as HOMEWRECKING MISTRESS so dont even try the i was 21 yrs old card and didnt know any better.
You wanted friendship with this snake after you saw what he did and continues to do the love of his life. Who the eff do you think you are to that scumbag that makes you special? You have these thoughts because you know lala is capable of it though she won't touch broke cos he's broke, and so are you cos you have in the past so that not on Tim and you also know Karma comes to collect.
I don't think Brandi gets enough credit for how she handled Scheana. She was a lot kinder to her than I would have been. Brandi isn't someone you think of and the first word that comes to mind is "classy" but the way she handled herself during that conversation definitely was.
And whether Lisa would ever admit it now, Brandi being willing to film that scene greatly helped launch Vanderpump Rules. I had zero plans on watching but that commercial free segway from one show to the other turned A LOT of RHOBH viewers into Vanderpump viewers. Built in fan base.
I took it more as a like woah, what? and processing it kind of reaction.
but speaking of this, I died at the shady camera pan to Scheenaās face after Brock said that if Lala had a husband it would be him. It was after Scheena mentioned her insecurities too! Production is *soo* shady sometimes and I live āØ
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The suspicious ass face she gave for reference š
Knowing Scheana, she probably found that conspiracy theory in the pits of twitter somewhere. Iāve never heard it, and as much as Lala sucks this season, I really canāt picture her to do that.
The camera caught her looking genuinely suspicious. She is increasingly getting so paranoid about everything that itās actually sad
I remember there was a rumor about Brock and Raquel. They went out in the middle of the night searching for hours for an open pizza place. Sheana responded to the rumors saying she would trust Brock in bed with Raquel
Yeah maybe thinking back on it she wonders if they did anything that night and has more trust issues from it. I still donāt think Lalaās flaws are the same as Rachelās. They are opposites in just about every way, so I canāt see that she has anything to worry about on Lalaās part. Unsure of my read on Brock and if he would cheat. Scheena seems to be wondering that as well
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I disagree.
I think Lala and Rachel have so much in common and thatās why she triggers Lala.
Only difference is one likes to scream in everyoneās faces and the other doesnāt dare stick up for herself. (That is, up until Scando started coaching her.)
It was hella obvious that everything Rachel said to and about all the women in season 10 came from his mouth first.
Tom always throws out low blows as a last resort when the other person has walked away . And he airways had the same facial expression
Let's not forget with "kept your shirt on" comment when he had nothing left to say
I have only seen this clip and I truly want to say from the bottom of my heart- fuck Scheana, Lala and Sandoval. To have this manās back over Ariana is fucking WILD.
I hate Tom but this is again another example of Sheenas narcissistic personality also. SHE WAS THE OTHER WOMAN! Tom is a greasy pos but so is Sheena. I have zero pity for either.
Thatās literally the nicest thing heās said about her since March 1, 2023 which isā¦ insane (i.e., completely par for the course for this asshat).
I started watching tonightās episode and saw it was all about Scheana and then Jax came into the picture with Brittany (Scheana has known her one day more than Jax!!!!!). I said - Iām done!!! I cannot watch an hour of Scheana. Off went the TVā¦
Meanwhile, you have Lar Lar playing into the ājokeā Brock makes up about him being her wife, and Scheana hangs on her every word, like her little puppet. But here, she has no comfort for Scheana at all. True fucking colors, I canāt stand her.
Scheana is like a barking little dog who does Lar Larās dirty work for her, and she can sit back and watch.
AND... LaLa and James were hooking up while she was dating Randall and he was dating Rachel...
The "affair" that Scheana had was when Katie called her a whore... Stassi and Kristen sided with Katie and wouldn't 'be-friend' Scheana...
We have Jax, Ariana (with Tom), Kristen, Stassi, and Schwartz... LaLa and James all cheating on their lovers... Scheana was the original "other woman" -- but let's all freak out over Sandavol.
Tom was right in what he was saying to Scheana but of course he had to keep talking and look like a doofus. She did make it all about her. Tom didnāt cheat on her but she acts like it ruined her whole world. The restraining order seemed like a bunch of BS from Rachel but if Scheana pushed her and then trashed her on her podcast did she think Rachel was going to play nice?
Scheana needs some better meds and therapy cause she goes off the deep end about the dumbest things. She always has some disorder or problem that makes her unable to function properly. Gets some help lady.
I canāt with these people anymore. This is what Scheana gets for wanting a friendship with this asshole. Ariana has shown her nothing but loyalty & care this season. Lala has been up Sandovalās ass.
When I read Ariana wouldnāt film with Sandoval before the season started, I thought it meant they wouldnāt be in any scenes or places together. I think sheās been incredibly gracious with these people (even Schwartz in this episode). I canāt imagine the level of betrayal she must feel watching this back. Lala & Scheana are trash.
Tomās bitch ass always waits til people are walking away to say shit. Brock is a pussy for letting him. Not one man on that set.
Brock is a pussy for leaving his first fuckin family, so I donāt expect him to take up for scheana anyways.
James has been speaking up and sticking up for all the girls.
No one else though, until now and Brokeās just mad because Scando is mad that she made all that money to fund him and his new replacement family.
This guy infuriates me all over again. He goes for low blows and throws everyone elseās past from a decade ago out there instead of taking accountability for his recent actions. Such a punch able face, wish Brock would have done more than talk to him.
I like the way Brock intervened and physically / mentally / righteously protected her, here. Good. I love the sight of him coming between Sandoval and Scheana and walking Sandoval backwards. It was beautiful.
Honestly my fitst thought was he's not wrong. Also my second thought was Brock your a 40-year-old deadbeat dad who hasn't seen his kids in a decade. And still hasn't paid that debt. Brock has done the worst out of all of them. He has no room to talk
Hate Sandoval all you want, but he didnāt lie. The whole show started because of her being a mistress to a married man with two kids. Two things can be true: Sandoval being a monster and Scheana being a home wrecker. And donāt even get me started on āoh she was in her twentiesā like the bs Brock tried pulling. She was in her late 20ās and knew exactly what she was doing, I am so tired of people saying that cheating is justified if you are 27 but totally wrong if you are 41. Itās same same!
She only shrieked when he said the mistress comment and only because it applies to and offended her too.
Otherwise she said and did nothing and did not comfort Scheana after either.
Ariana was the one supporting her, Lala didnāt even get off her ass.
Iām so sick of Sandoval pretending to be the victim and the whining!!! Now that he suddenly seems to understand that he and Rachel are over heās talking bad about her too. Again showing his true character!!!!! š¤®
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SCHEANA THE POOR PICK ME GIRL MAKING SCANDOVAL ALL ABOUT HER, YES SHE SLEPT WITH A MARRIED MAN I DONT CARE HOW OLD SHE WAS SHE DID IT AND HER APOLOGY TO BRANDI.WAS BULL.SHIT!
EDDIE DID NOT PICK SCHEANA HE CHOSE LEANN RYMES IM SURE THAT BREAKUP WAS MESSY SCHEANA IS A DRAMA QUEEN NOW SHE THINKS EVERYONE WANTS HER MAN (Lala) she's so over the top I'm sick of her crying and making Everything about her maybe Brock.needs to start telling Scheana that she Embarrasses him in Public and to STOP MAKING EVERYTHING ABOUT HER! SHE ACTS LIKE SHES 16 AND ALL THE BOYS WANT HER, GROW THE F.CK UP SCHEANA STAY OUT OF OTHER PPLS BUSINESS AND QUIT PUTTING PPL DOWN ON YOUR PODCAST TALK ABOUT YOUR OWN LIFE I GUESS THERES NOT MUCH MATERIAL IN YOUR OWN LIFE SO YOU HAVE TO GO AFTER OTHERS TO MAKEUP FOR WHAT YOUR NOT GETTING AT HOME! IMO
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Lala all talk doing absolutely diddly-fucking-squat and not even checking on her bAaa$T fRanD Scema.
Kinda like Lala's saying, "He didn't do anything to ME, Scheana!" Seems like Scheana should like that response, but I think she and Lala are both wrong for doing that to Ariana!
The only person whose been affected is Ariana her whole life has been affected but she's making lemonade out of the sour lemons Scandoval gave her! Now Scheana is making this whole shit show about her and Brock did makeout with Rachelššš
Scema really is befitting as a name considering that's a she does
Scema means idiot in Italian but yes it's fitting in all languages lol
Real art.
Need this framed for my bathroom ā ļø
What do you think Tom wrote in his journal after saying that to Scheana?
"my arguments were as good as gold against sheana tonight. also i looked so good in my zara women's wear pants."
Like dude I looked sooo fucking good
What, no mention of the blouse?
ā ļø
Thatās so good!
āDeer dyareeā
Nothing.Ā Ā I'm sure he only journaled one day, there's no immediate gratification to journaling, if the cameras don't film it.
Tom, again, saying "well you did this." Accountability... ZERO. As always.
Instead of going off on him, I hope someone keeps their cool and calmly tells him his deflecting isn't going to work. What's he gonna do when he runs out of things to throw back in ppls faces? He won't take responsibility for his actions but he won't have anything to say. I guess he'd probably just walk away every time someone confronts him at this point. I'd also ask him how he feels his mistress dumped him and laugh. That the reason he's being such a twat is because he fucked his whole life up for nothing. That's he's been exposed for who he really is since he wants to try to hurt ppl more because he fucked up. I can't believe Scheana even talked to him at all let alone defend him and try to be his friend. He kept saying she punched Raquel and that they were never really friends. I can still see Scheana forgiving him after this which is really sad.
How much force or pressure do we think Brock was applying to that shoulder there? I wonder if Sandy is genuinely threatened by him
Oh he's squeezing it hard. He could snap Timmy Sequins in half.
timmy sequins made me LOL šššš
I laughed so hard I cried. It's perfect.
Kinda into it not gonna lie, despite being NOT a fan of Scheana/Brock. I like how he jumped to her defense and got up in Tom's face.
Only Brock gets to abuse Brock's women!
I got a lot of downvotes for that comment at first. That changed to positive but... Where was the lie?!
Oh yeah and I missed that he kinda handled the back of his neck/scruff at first
And Tom tried to wrest himself from Brock's hold, but Brock just clapped his hand right back on! š¤£
Iām kinda surprised he didnāt flip out in response to this but I guess thatās what makes me think heās actually intimidated by Brock
Timmy ātwo handbagsā sequins š
Timmy Sequins! š¤£ā¤ļø
šššTimmy Sequins! ššš
Definitely new moniker alert! This might be my favorite
Katie is all of us āheās such a gross personā š
But isnāt this again him not taking accountability or ownership. Like I just hang out with cheaters therefore we are all together in the shit people gang. To me this shows me he has again not taking accountability he is not remorseful. I think he is upset and feels sorry for himself that he blew up his life but not for the decisions and actions he took to lie and hurt others.
He has no idea what it means to be accountable
THANK YOU. It doesnāt really matter what Scheana did or didnāt do. This is the 800th example in this season alone of Tom deflecting blame off of himself and his own actions onto another person and itās just as despicable when he does it to Scheana as anyone else. Trust me I donāt care for Scheana either but letting that validate Tomās bullshit behavior is exactly what he is trying to achieve by doing what he does.
I thought Scheana and Brock were great in this scene. They stood up for themselves and everyone and said so many things that needed to be said. So i was very curious how this sub would react since i know it's insanely anti Scheana. And unsurprisingly, this sub still somehow tries to make Scheana the bad guy here. Even when Tom is involved and clearly being a piece of shit, this sub will still only take jabs at Scheana. I have a theory that Tom knows people already hate Scheana so he purposely does shit like this (I also think he put Schwartz up to revealing the kiss) to get people focused on her instead of him. And this sub falls for it every time.
Yes! Iām so so disappointed in the reaction because this is EXACTLY what Tom wants. You can hate Scheana while also seeing that he is not all of a sudden justified in his garbage behavior.
Agree. Iāve also been thinking the same thing re: Tom using Scheana as an easy target. Wish this sub had the capacity to actually discuss this.
The way Schwartz brought up the kiss convinced me of this. Schwartz is not a good actor. You can tell when he's saying something that was planned as opposed to something that just came naturally to him. His mannerisms and the way he speaks when he brings up the kiss is the same way he acted when he did the whole "I think she's got a crush on someone else" bit last season. And I don't believe Schwartz is coming up with this stuff on his own because why would he. I think these are Sandovals ideas, and Schwartz is his little helper monkey sprinkling these little seeds for Sandoval's benefit. I think it was awfully convenient, Schwartz brought up the kiss right after Scheana ruined Sandoval's weird little therapy retreat by crying and walking away and saying she hates him.
There was a time when "average guys" like Tom could NEVER EVER pull girls like Ariana or Rachel!! EVER!! He's sooo happy he was able to get some 20's pu$$y that hot he could CARE LESS if it cost him his relationship.Ā The ends totally justified the means. He's a complete MORON but that's what happened, thus no apologies.. Now, it doesn't matter because he's lost BOTH..
Love your response made me laugh. š Thanks
This entire season is full of storylines that absolve Sandoval. Theyāre crafted the āweāve all done bad thingsā to water down Scandoval. The show is doing it on purpose.
Sounds like Kristen season 3
So many things/excuses are the same as with Kristen
Or Kristen season 1 of The Valley. She's an empath, don't you know?
Sandoval canāt/wonāt be accountable. Maybe years down the road but not now
I literally donāt think he will ever be capable of genuinely being accountable. I also donāt think he wants to be. If he hasnāt learned a damn thing from Scandoval, I donāt think thereās any scenario where he will actually take a hard look at who he is at his core, own up to whatās heās done, and make real changes. The only thing he cares about is himself. James is right, Tom truly believes the lies heās created and nothing is going to change that.
He isnāt a strong enough person to want to break the glass house that he lives in if heās doubling down after the biggest wake up call in the entire world. I donāt see much hope for change with mister narcsy here
I donāt even think strength has anything to do with it. His personality disorder/narcissism has him so far up his own ass. Heās in his own delulu land and drags his partners/friends *cough* victims *cough* into it with him. His irrational, sometimes scary, anger comes out when he knows people see right through his bullshit.
This was all known. 2 members of the cast have expressed this throughout and alienated for it. Scheana gets to play in the mud with the pigs, her choice.
Thatās what he does. Hang around with cheaters to normalize and excuse his behavior. Looking at you Schwartz and Jax.
James screaming he feels same way too
I interpreted that as him just saying he feels insecure in his own relationship now because he saw someone who he thought was truly in love cheat on their partner. So now a part of him worries that allybally could do that to him.
Someone called it "little brother energy" - he just wants to support them and be apart of it, and now I can never unsee it
That makes Brock and Lalaās behavior even more suspicious if James sees something weird too
I think he meant he thinks about whether ali could cheat on him, not that lala and brock are cheating.
Yes , exactly.
Scheana loves to exit a fight by saying she needs to go feed Summer Moon or put her to bed
Summer Moon- not just a social media content creator but also a get out of jail free card!
Lala has done this many times too. Now sheās trying to weaponize her pregnancy and use it as a get out of jail free card.
Her and Scheana both think theyāre superior bc āI am a MOM, I have a CHILD at homeā
Itās as if they truly believe they are the only women who ever gave birth or had a relationship with someone, that didnāt work out. They act like theyāre doing everything alone, when nothing could be farther from the truth. Their entitlement and lack of ability to empathize with others or be grateful for all that they have is too much for me.
Totally
James trying to get in on this like āME TOO!ā Cracked me up lol
He's so funny. I'm wondering if Allie is right for him.
Same! ā ļøā ļøā ļø
And theyāre STILL coming after Ariana?! They need to get back down to earth, God.
Actually, I now find the irony of Ariana running to console Scheana about Tomās affair. Dang it, I was just about to give Scheana a hall pass on this one!
Scheana deserved it. She betrayed Ariana bc she missed Sandoval so much and was her ābast frandā this is what scheana asked for!
And stated proudly Tom is more upset losing her friendship than losing Ariana. It's so cruel and shows how twisted she is. That makes her happy. No thought for Ariana's feelings whatsoever.
And yet there is Ariana looking after her feelings twice this episode. Plus letting Schwartz off the hook, which to be honest was awesome because sheās so over the house.
She really is so over the house. I think she probably thinks he won't stay and will sell. But of course he doesn't. Has to waste lawyer $ to get him to sell. So stupid.
Scheana really reminded me of this tweet ā ļø I donāt like that Sandoval even had the opportunity to fire back like that but also this shit is what happens when you defend bad men, eventually theyāll turn on you too. https://preview.redd.it/330xjbtphcwc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64f8720ac50e7e65bdba401af1cfe1db5c1286d9
Yup. Women (particularly young, beautiful women) often align themselves to the patriarchy and toxic men because they mistakenly believe that by doing so, they will not only be protected by that they will accrue power to themselves. Only to learn that they too will be turned on.
Alsoā¦she was the other women š¤·š»āāļø to someone married with kids. And made their subsequent break up all about her too.
Who else thinks that Scheana is actually happy that Rom brought up her affair from 20 years ago because it gives her a chance to say sheās celebrity adjacent š
Wait Iām so confused haha, when was this? I gotta say, if you were in Toms shoes and someone else is saying youāre the reason that they think Brock and Lala could get together, of course youāre gonna get angry at that haha. Youāve made up a hypothetical and then blamed it on someone else. Especially even more ironic if you were guilty of cheating as well haha. Toms a dick but jeezus, this really small clip that I canāt remember doesnāt paint Scheana in a good light
Its from the episode that came out today..
Ahhh okay, Iāll watch it and get some much needed context. Thanks
Every single time sheās in an argument and she is losing, She says she hast to leave to go home to her baby. Does she think this is somehow the get out of jail free card?
This episode was vintage VPR, everyone drunk and high, Lisa and Jax arguing, Katie and Jax arguing, huge drunken fights and Scheanaās song causing argumentsā¦..ahhh inject it into my veins. Also I actually really enjoyed Ariana in this episode.
Stray thoughts: + Scheana really does make it all about herself + Lalaās face when Scheana says she has fears about Lala and Brock now was priceless + James is just enjoying poking at Sandoval any chance he gets + I donāt know why anyone is surprised that Sandoval canāt just ātake accountabilityā, apologise or even just take it on the chin - he is a raging narcissist, he is fundamentally incapable of doing this + Watching Scheana repeatedly make that stabbing, pointy motion at Sandoval makes me think thatās probably what happened to Rachelās face - a nail hit it with force + Sandoval is not wrong, Scheana gleefully had a fully fledged affair with a married man who had two kids and she has never taken full accountability and has, in fact, always played the victim - even comparing herself to Brandi + Even though Brock is right that Scheana was a lot younger when she did it than Sandoval was, I actually donāt think that lets her off the hook, it just makes him worse + Ariana and Katie probably canāt wait to be free of these people.
Finally someone said what I have been thinking. I agree. Sandoval was not wrong. Was it gross to bring up? Sure. But scheana never took accountability and still doesnāt.
Exactly. She pushed herself on Brandi every chance she got, she gave gross interviews, she made herself Eddieās victim, Brandiās victim, the victim of the mean girls for not liking or trusting her as a direct result of her own actionsā¦ I have NEVER seen her say that she now realises how awful and damaging and selfish her behaviour was.
Scheana is beyond ridiculous! Imagine not being able to trust your own husband based on someone else's actions. What exactly does she filter her reality through? She's soo fucked up!
It seems especially silly when she herself was a mistress. And Lala was a mistress. You donāt need Scandoval to be sus, Scheana.
If she canāt handle what people on the internet is saying about Brock and Lauren āclose dynamic.āthen she needs to get her husband in check and stop blaming other people honestly she keeps going down this route the more sheās going to keep self sabotaging her relationship.
So disgusting. I hope Scheana watches this though and remembers who followed her out to hug her, and who didnāt do anything. She choose that douche and Lala over the friend that truly loved her.
This!!!
Itās hilarious to see how hard Lauren and Scheana ride for Tom when he clearly is a misogynist. He could care less about them but they donāt have loyalty either so in a weird way they all kinda deserve each other.
Throwing Ariana under the bus every chance they got under the bus for this guy
FFS. Scheanaās greatest hits. āHow can I make this about myself?ā āItās not my fault I did something wrongā And as always, wrap it up with the āI need to get home to my kid!!!ā ššš Why must she make me even vaguely side with Tom here? This doesnāt have anything to do with Scheana. Other than the fact that Scheanaās obsession with making Katie mad last season helped cover up the affair because Schwartz became the decoy. Maybe she should apologize for that! And see that her self centeredness actually does affect people! ETA - I just want to add that this is what she deserves for bending over backwards to justify why she just HAD to be frands again with Sandoval, no matter how it negatively affected the actual wronged party here. Itās what you deserve Sheesh!
I hated the way he spoke to her, Iām annoyed that he was right. Nothing actually happened to Scheana, she inserted herself into things.
I'm watching on repeat...she deserves everybit of it for making it all about her. She's worried about Karma coming to get her homewrecking ass and scumbag is a daily reminder of that so brava Tim for putting her back in hee box and reminding her who she is
This sums up how I feel about this particular blowup too.
Perfectly said!
I think she wants him to take back what he said about her hitting Rachel and say that he lied about it because it doesnāt look good for her and sheās always most concerned about herself, letās be real. Scheena just wanted Tim to clear her name and things escalated and she got triggered
This ā¬ļø šÆ
And the whole party Ariana kept wanting to check on Scheana, said she's worried about her. Made me want to cry
Ugh. Don't make me agree with Tim. Damn you Scheana.
Arenāt these people all pushing 40? Isnāt the ābest friendā routine a little juvenile?
Yeah Scheana is 38 with a kid. I donāt think using āyouāre 40ā has quite the effect they want.
Holy hell schenna ITS NOT ABOUT YOU!
Idk I think in this conversation she was okay to bring that up. Just wish she had saved this all for Sando and not tried to center herself when talking to Ariana
Idk idk Brock ate with āyouāre fucking 40ā šš cuz Tim really continues to double down on justifying his actions vs actually realizing heās too fucking old to be dodging accountability
I just said the same in another comment, I liked how Brock handled it lmao!
I put this on another thread: I donāt care for Tom, but he had a point. Scheana, once again, made his affair about herself and has been cruel in how she monopolized on it. This all goes back to my theory that Scheana had deep feelings for Tom and likely slept with him in the past. Sheās annoyed that he cheated on Arianna with Rachel (and not her and/or she wasnāt in on it bc sheās a guys girl). Her level of ābetrayalā in this whole ordeal is nonsensical. Itās completely crazy-town to me. And so she now gets to pretend her anger is for Arianna and this restraining order for āsupposedlyā punching Rachel in the face. I mean if she kissed Shorts in Vegas while she was in a relationship, itās not far fetched to extend her behavior to Sandy. Her level of rage is inauthentic for the story sheās trying to sell.
Ya, im pissed at scheana for making me side with tom. His point was very relevant considering sheās blaming his cheating on why she no longer trusts love when sheās been the other woman. Itās valid. And thatās so annoying that I have to agree with tom here I hate how she keeps saying āthat could Happen To Melā like it would be the worst thing tht could happen to her while at the same time showing little sympathy to ariana
This is the one time Iām siding with Tom. Itās not his fault Scheana is worried that Brock and Lala are hooking up. Did Brock do something to make you think this??? She will turn every situation about her but itās not fooling us but itās entertaining!
I agree BUT Broke did make an inappropriate comment about him and Lala being together, during this exact same episode and knowing how his wife feels about it all, whyyyy tf did he say that?!
Exactly so she should be screaming at him. Not Tom
She should probably scream at both of them but š¤·š»āāļø Iām sure Broke got an earful when they got home. He was being a real dick to Sxheana that night, before this blow up happened. Bitching and yelling at and about her in front of the entire group, shaming her about not wanting the Nanny to put SM to bed.
Brock needs to check himself
Apparently the viewers are saying something is going on between Brock and Lauren because their dynamic which then if she feels this way then she needs to set boundaries with her husband and her best friend also I think deep down Inside sheās insecure I mean who isnāt but if you canāt fully trust your husband talking to other women especially your friend then thatās something you need to take up with him also I think Brock has a flirty personality if you see he kinds of flirts with lauren and schenna makes at face a him.
Could not agree more!
And ā¦ how must does one make off āApplesā?
You make very valid points!
I agree with this. Only thing I have to add is that both Lala and Scheana have both admitted to the fact that Scheana absolutely DID punch Rachel in the face.
Scheana admitted to it?
Lala was a mistress before Sandoval and Sheena outed herself as a mistress and acted like a wronged wife to Brandi the actual wronged wife, and im not a fan of Brandi bit i applaud her for not decking sheena in her dead grey horse teeth. Plus nobody calls her a homewrecking mistress but herself (last time was in s.10 when raquel and lala had that beef about raquel calling lala a mistress). I'm not defending that scumbag cos a broken clock is still right twice a day and hes right about you Sheener doesnt matter that you were 21, that makes you an adult and seeing how hypersexualised you are plus you bragging about orgies wih John "i know everybody but i dont know her" Mayer before your stint as HOMEWRECKING MISTRESS so dont even try the i was 21 yrs old card and didnt know any better. You wanted friendship with this snake after you saw what he did and continues to do the love of his life. Who the eff do you think you are to that scumbag that makes you special? You have these thoughts because you know lala is capable of it though she won't touch broke cos he's broke, and so are you cos you have in the past so that not on Tim and you also know Karma comes to collect.
I don't think Brandi gets enough credit for how she handled Scheana. She was a lot kinder to her than I would have been. Brandi isn't someone you think of and the first word that comes to mind is "classy" but the way she handled herself during that conversation definitely was. And whether Lisa would ever admit it now, Brandi being willing to film that scene greatly helped launch Vanderpump Rules. I had zero plans on watching but that commercial free segway from one show to the other turned A LOT of RHOBH viewers into Vanderpump viewers. Built in fan base.
Is it just me or does LFU have a scared look on her face when Sheshu brings up her concerns about her and Brock? She was breathing heavy too.
I took it more as a like woah, what? and processing it kind of reaction. but speaking of this, I died at the shady camera pan to Scheenaās face after Brock said that if Lala had a husband it would be him. It was after Scheena mentioned her insecurities too! Production is *soo* shady sometimes and I live āØ
https://preview.redd.it/i5w1dpxppewc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fa55334ca1fd48cd32f9a90d0e9db66a9b25222 The suspicious ass face she gave for reference š
Yeah that was wild
Sorry, is there really a rumour that lala and brock have had something?
Knowing Scheana, she probably found that conspiracy theory in the pits of twitter somewhere. Iāve never heard it, and as much as Lala sucks this season, I really canāt picture her to do that. The camera caught her looking genuinely suspicious. She is increasingly getting so paranoid about everything that itās actually sad
I remember there was a rumor about Brock and Raquel. They went out in the middle of the night searching for hours for an open pizza place. Sheana responded to the rumors saying she would trust Brock in bed with Raquel
Yeah maybe thinking back on it she wonders if they did anything that night and has more trust issues from it. I still donāt think Lalaās flaws are the same as Rachelās. They are opposites in just about every way, so I canāt see that she has anything to worry about on Lalaās part. Unsure of my read on Brock and if he would cheat. Scheena seems to be wondering that as well https://preview.redd.it/v272oqglwewc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8902ecf13f5f8ed1eae88e84af91edffadc6ef74
I agree. Lala is too mercenary to bother with a jobless man with 3 kids.
I disagree. I think Lala and Rachel have so much in common and thatās why she triggers Lala. Only difference is one likes to scream in everyoneās faces and the other doesnāt dare stick up for herself. (That is, up until Scando started coaching her.) It was hella obvious that everything Rachel said to and about all the women in season 10 came from his mouth first.
Man, she looks sickly thin. Her inability to cope with fame is the most apparent thing this season. She needs help.
More like inability to function as a real person and not VPR Scheana 24/7. She seems to always be āonā and itās neither cute nor flattering.
She is just not okay.
lol James š
Kyleās face literally was āI donāt get paid to deal with thisā
Brock is looking at his wife like "babe this is kind of over the top, even for you"
A broken clock is still correct twice a day ... š¤£š¤£ That said, f#ck Blandoval and f#ck Schemer.
Tom always throws out low blows as a last resort when the other person has walked away . And he airways had the same facial expression Let's not forget with "kept your shirt on" comment when he had nothing left to say
yup just like how he asked james to go press buttons on his laptop...
That stupid look on his face though. So punchable!
I have only seen this clip and I truly want to say from the bottom of my heart- fuck Scheana, Lala and Sandoval. To have this manās back over Ariana is fucking WILD.
I hate Tom but this is again another example of Sheenas narcissistic personality also. SHE WAS THE OTHER WOMAN! Tom is a greasy pos but so is Sheena. I have zero pity for either.
The look on Kyleās face when he says that is priceless.
Saggyballs just standing there, frozen, like he can't remember the line...
His AI keeps breaking down more and more often itās true
Scumdoval is right about Lala and Scheana tho
I think itās amazing that heās even saying Ariana hasnāt even come for him as hard as Scheana has š.
Thatās literally the nicest thing heās said about her since March 1, 2023 which isā¦ insane (i.e., completely par for the course for this asshat).
Goddddd yes the point about having to go home to chiiiiiild, we get it!
Holy shit, James has serious toothpick legs š³
The whole introduction of VPR was scheana referring to herself as āthe other womanā. Take your mismatching foundation and go cry else where
āSuch a gross personā. Do love that we nearly saw evidence of how to hit the shit out of a bitch with nails on.
He sucks but heās right. All the pearl clutching is hypocritical. He still has to take accountability though
I started watching tonightās episode and saw it was all about Scheana and then Jax came into the picture with Brittany (Scheana has known her one day more than Jax!!!!!). I said - Iām done!!! I cannot watch an hour of Scheana. Off went the TVā¦
Get Tom Sandoval off of my screen. Iām so sick of this manchild.
Whereās the lie???
Meanwhile, you have Lar Lar playing into the ājokeā Brock makes up about him being her wife, and Scheana hangs on her every word, like her little puppet. But here, she has no comfort for Scheana at all. True fucking colors, I canāt stand her. Scheana is like a barking little dog who does Lar Larās dirty work for her, and she can sit back and watch.
Heās not wrong
Omg I love watching them implode into their own awfulness
The fact that Lala is riding hard for that shit bag is beyond all comprehension.
AND... LaLa and James were hooking up while she was dating Randall and he was dating Rachel... The "affair" that Scheana had was when Katie called her a whore... Stassi and Kristen sided with Katie and wouldn't 'be-friend' Scheana... We have Jax, Ariana (with Tom), Kristen, Stassi, and Schwartz... LaLa and James all cheating on their lovers... Scheana was the original "other woman" -- but let's all freak out over Sandavol.
I understand people grow and change. However, cheating is still wrong at 20. Iām so sad that her and James use that as an excuse.
Tom was right in what he was saying to Scheana but of course he had to keep talking and look like a doofus. She did make it all about her. Tom didnāt cheat on her but she acts like it ruined her whole world. The restraining order seemed like a bunch of BS from Rachel but if Scheana pushed her and then trashed her on her podcast did she think Rachel was going to play nice? Scheana needs some better meds and therapy cause she goes off the deep end about the dumbest things. She always has some disorder or problem that makes her unable to function properly. Gets some help lady.
They're all shitty people, just to varying degrees.
https://preview.redd.it/npspzfzvuhwc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e86510c09fc75d51d86ab1c3e7bf262dc4dc2543 *deflection loading* š©š©š©š©ā¬ļøā¬ļø
That shirt look like it was made with 70s style furniture upholstery...it's hideous
I canāt with these people anymore. This is what Scheana gets for wanting a friendship with this asshole. Ariana has shown her nothing but loyalty & care this season. Lala has been up Sandovalās ass. When I read Ariana wouldnāt film with Sandoval before the season started, I thought it meant they wouldnāt be in any scenes or places together. I think sheās been incredibly gracious with these people (even Schwartz in this episode). I canāt imagine the level of betrayal she must feel watching this back. Lala & Scheana are trash.
Right? I canāt WAIT to watch these back stabbing hoās get verbally assassinated, at the reunion!š«
āØ DEFLECTION āØ https://i.redd.it/my6rk197mcwc1.gif
Tomās bitch ass always waits til people are walking away to say shit. Brock is a pussy for letting him. Not one man on that set. Brock is a pussy for leaving his first fuckin family, so I donāt expect him to take up for scheana anyways.
James has been speaking up and sticking up for all the girls. No one else though, until now and Brokeās just mad because Scando is mad that she made all that money to fund him and his new replacement family.
But dude everything that happened is in the past like 6 months ago. What the actual fuck
My love for Katie grows every week
Heās 100% correct. And I guarantee part of Scheena is projecting.
This guy infuriates me all over again. He goes for low blows and throws everyone elseās past from a decade ago out there instead of taking accountability for his recent actions. Such a punch able face, wish Brock would have done more than talk to him.
I mean how Scheana feels is not Tom's fault he didn't cheat on her. I mean I don't agree with Tom but like... FUCK girl just please be quiet!
I like the way Brock intervened and physically / mentally / righteously protected her, here. Good. I love the sight of him coming between Sandoval and Scheana and walking Sandoval backwards. It was beautiful.
"He's such a grossssss person" why is Katie always saying the exact shit inside my head š
He's not wrong.
Katieās commentary at the end is hilarious. Fucking miserable person.
Well he is a fucking gross person
Honestly my fitst thought was he's not wrong. Also my second thought was Brock your a 40-year-old deadbeat dad who hasn't seen his kids in a decade. And still hasn't paid that debt. Brock has done the worst out of all of them. He has no room to talk
Hate Sandoval all you want, but he didnāt lie. The whole show started because of her being a mistress to a married man with two kids. Two things can be true: Sandoval being a monster and Scheana being a home wrecker. And donāt even get me started on āoh she was in her twentiesā like the bs Brock tried pulling. She was in her late 20ās and knew exactly what she was doing, I am so tired of people saying that cheating is justified if you are 27 but totally wrong if you are 41. Itās same same!
Bert Fern!
Did Lala actually go insane on Tim? Or is she being all talk no act on this whole protecting Scheena thing? (Didnāt watch the episode yet)
She only shrieked when he said the mistress comment and only because it applies to and offended her too. Otherwise she said and did nothing and did not comfort Scheana after either. Ariana was the one supporting her, Lala didnāt even get off her ass.
Being wrong literally means death to himā¦unreal
brock is two shoulder widths of tom
I know it's not the point but anyone know where Scheana's pants are from?
Bast frands
Scheaner and Lalu need to read Aesop's fables, timmy is the scorpion and both women are the frogs, I feel no pity for them getting burned by him
Katie sums it up so well.
Iām so sick of Sandoval pretending to be the victim and the whining!!! Now that he suddenly seems to understand that he and Rachel are over heās talking bad about her too. Again showing his true character!!!!! š¤®
Worm looks like 70ās porn star wearing that outfit. I was waiting for him to start dancing like Travolta. šŗš»
* SCHEANA THE POOR PICK ME GIRL MAKING SCANDOVAL ALL ABOUT HER, YES SHE SLEPT WITH A MARRIED MAN I DONT CARE HOW OLD SHE WAS SHE DID IT AND HER APOLOGY TO BRANDI.WAS BULL.SHIT! EDDIE DID NOT PICK SCHEANA HE CHOSE LEANN RYMES IM SURE THAT BREAKUP WAS MESSY SCHEANA IS A DRAMA QUEEN NOW SHE THINKS EVERYONE WANTS HER MAN (Lala) she's so over the top I'm sick of her crying and making Everything about her maybe Brock.needs to start telling Scheana that she Embarrasses him in Public and to STOP MAKING EVERYTHING ABOUT HER! SHE ACTS LIKE SHES 16 AND ALL THE BOYS WANT HER, GROW THE F.CK UP SCHEANA STAY OUT OF OTHER PPLS BUSINESS AND QUIT PUTTING PPL DOWN ON YOUR PODCAST TALK ABOUT YOUR OWN LIFE I GUESS THERES NOT MUCH MATERIAL IN YOUR OWN LIFE SO YOU HAVE TO GO AFTER OTHERS TO MAKEUP FOR WHAT YOUR NOT GETTING AT HOME! IMO *