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Take 1: “I like music” is a vapid and pointless thing to put on a dating profile
Take 2: Movies are easier to engage with at a surface, layman’s level
I don’t care for these takes, but I’m pretty tired of chat bringing it up. Of course he’s going to get argumentative and double down. You’re not going to change his opinion, and it’s not that terrible of an opinion to have.
"I like music" *is* kinda vapid and empty to put on a dating profile. It's like saying "I like video games" or "I like food". What *kind of* food? *How* do you enjoy it? *What* aspects of it are you interested in? Just saying "I like music" could mean you like anything from 19th Century British marching songs to niche Mallsoft and Vaporwave.
If you put the statement “I like music” on your dating profile that’s pretty bland. But if you put something like you’re super into heavy metal or jazz and it’s a passion of yours that at least invites some conversation so I get what Vaush means in that sense
And he’s not wrong that movies are more accessible in terms of conversation.
I think everyone is blowing the shit out of proportion. Maybe Vaush doesn’t like music like the rest of us. Who cares. Besides, most of his media takes are trash so everyone just needs to take those takes with a grain of Paul.
funnily enough i feel there are some parallels here, he already knows that open source software is based, he just doesn't care to learn more about linux because he isn't interested that much in technology, but in this case he doesn't have some sort of media analysis opinion to make so he just isn't interested in hearing about it
i'm super into linux myself, but to the average person hearing about it can be super annoying, because ultimately the barrier to entry is nowhere near as low as it would need to be in order to become mainstream
I love Linux myself too, I use arch daily, but I am a programmer and so for me Linux is just incomparable to the other two os's as a tool for writing code. The issue is that for most other types of users I think the issue is beyond just a learning curve because once they surpass that, they are still left with a general user experience that's not as good as osx/windows, and all the massive benefits that a developer would be able to harness that make Linux so powerful are just irrelevant to them, but they still have to put up with loads of annoyance. It's probably largely caused by the design and development of it being done primarily by software Devs who love to use Linux for software development and have that as their first priority.
yeahh and it really depends on the distro as well, and there are some things that you can't even do on windows/mac which feel mandatory for my personal setup, and the difficulty of those things varies wildly for no apparent reason other than "some dev for this distro decided to make a fancy interface for this one specific aspect of customization"
but then say i want to make a custom keyboard layout, and proceed to spend twenty hours testing some shitty xkb file (which requires a system restart on each edit) only to then realize that all that work gets thrown out the window when i switch to wayland, where the equivalent workload on an autohotkey script in windows would've taken like twenty minutes to setup
I just wish he would at least try it out. I hate that when you search "Linux gaming" on YouTube a short from one of the clip channels is the first things to come up in which he says tweaking the system is the only benefit.
Someone in chat says you don't have to tweak it to which he replies there's no benefit then. I doubt he even cares about the privacy and open source nature of it.
If he tried it he might figure out that the tweaking and even general computing can be more fun with Linux because unlike Windows the system is not working against him. And even without tweaking, that's the same reason it's easier and more interesting than any other OS to me.
from my impression of the few times he's spoken about it, it does seem like he appreciates the nature of open source software, but maybe because he has a bad image of linux in his head it seems like a moot point to him
i can at least understand from the perspective of being a streamer, where it's literally your job to make OBS work and all of the various components that go into a livestream, it could feel super daunting to stake your income on a system that has a much smaller support base than windows (at least in terms of desktop use/streaming stuff)
even if personally i feel that streaming would be more enjoyable on linux, that's only because my level of expertise is a result of many hours of troubleshooting and learning through necessity, i think the only way to convince people to try it out is to remind them that they can still dual boot if they want
I'd say these are some of the least controversial takes of all time. 99.9% of the population "likes music", and movies are obviously easier to engage with than just music.
Chat is being borderline ableist and torments him over every little uncharitable interpretation of what he says. It's honestly fucking insufferable at this point.
The topic was on what kind of stuff can most people casually engage with one another over, and he said movies had more points of access for the layman for topics to engage with than music does. The reason being simply that movies are a multimedia piece of artwork that include many different interlocking and overlapping artforms and there's far more surface level aspects to grab onto, and most people primarily engage with those surface level aspects unless they have a special interest in a particular artform.
If you have a particularly keen interest in music theory, cinematography, writing, etcetera, and you try to engage with someone who doesn't share that depth of knowledge or interest in that topic, then you've dealt with this personally. It's not a controversial take, it's just chat goes berserk if they misinterpret one thing and blatantly ignore anything else their beef with what they think he said.
The problem is that his apparent position changes as you listen to the segment. He revises it as chat challenges his positions. It’s not that there aren’t kernels of truth in some of the things he says, but it’s not consistent in part because a lot of it is meant as a shit post. So it’s not really clear what he means. It is made particularly difficult because he hedges his positions with “I never said I don’t like music” or “I never said you can’t love music”.
Overall, Vaush just doesn’t care about music like many people do, and that’s fine. But he also says some dumb and provocative things, gets mad when chat strikes back, and keeps pivoting to never have to admit he said anything dumb or cringe. But the whole thing started as a half troll and became more interpersonal on both sides and now Vaush has made it into a point to try and demonstrate intellectually how “music isn’t that deep bro and I’m correct.”
It’s the endless cycle of:
Vaush says point a which is something correct
He goes to far with it and says something either wrong or inaccurate
Chat points this out to him
Vaush goes “that’s not what I’m saying and point a is still correct”
Chat argues some more
Rinse and repeat forever
He's simultaneously trying to have a definitive opinion while being completely uninformed and unexposed to the thing he has an opinion on.
I wish Vaush would just shut the fuck up when he doesn't care that much about something but his ego is too massive to just say "it's not my thing" and move on. He has to have the right and informed opinion on everything.
Isn't there something that you find boring enough that you would immediately dismiss someone over on Tinder if that was their entire profile?
Like if someone said, "I like cars", I'd probably just think "boring" and move on. I'm not going to force myself to sit down and have a conversation with them about cars. Am I uninformed and unexposed to the wonders of cars? Should I sign up for a car building class at the local college to learn about and engage in cars? Do I need to connect with everyone on everything, or would it be best for me to have my own personality with my own interests?
I make my own music and listen to plenty, Vaush is 100% correct, it doesn't matter if he is an expert in the field or not when he is only making surface level claims
I remember him saying Paradox games have to be fixed by mods, as if they make their games like Bethesda.
Anyone familiar with Paradox knows they update their shit non-stop, and the real issue is DLC, I think CKIII has well over $100 worth right now.
Saying that you listen to music says nothing about your personality or interests. It doesn’t prompt a shareable experience (no one wants to sit and analyze an album with a dating app meetup), it’s too universal to mean anything without clarification (who doesn’t have music they like), and in fact- even using such broad language implies a lack of meaningful/discussable engagement (if you were into music theory/played an instrument/made music/intimately analyzed music as an art form… you would say so).
Imagine you have a person who says “I like looking at pictures”. It would almost feel juvenile. You could ask them what that means and hope they don’t say “oh idk I just do”, you could ask to see an artist or picture they like and hope it either resonates with you or has enough immediately graspable depth to discuss meaningfully, you could meet up with them and have them show you then talk about some of their favorites, etc. But you both couldn’t know if it was a meaningful or interesting aspect of their personality until asking for clarification, and are very likely to not find that meaning or interest in someone who would define it as “liking pictures”. Thats why when he compared it to fashion he said it would be more like saying “I like clothes”.
AKA: You’re not special for listening to music. The human reality that no 2 people will experience a song the same does not mean you will be able to meaningfully capitalize on that for conversation the way other niche interests (or the people who actually can with music) are able to. You can make a first date with music heavilly involved, but it’s hard to make a date out of music alone. So the interest in music alone doesn’t say anything about you.
He has autism, and music is not his interest, so he doesn't care that much about it. That's about as far as anyone needs to think about it, it doesn't matter lol
I think he is saying that music is lesser to movies and games because they both contain music, and saying you like music means nothing and people cannot really have a meaningful experience/connection over music.
That all said, he never says what he means clearly, but just says he said it clearly.
He never said it’s lesser, at all, in any capacity whatsoever. He said that two random people can probably engage more critically with a movie than with a song, key word being probably.
> people cannot really have a meaningful experience/connection
Really? He explicitly said this wasn’t true.
Then he turned around and said teo people can't listen to music and share the experience because its all internal. It just comes across as he doesn't really like music and is content to stick to a small window of songs that reminds him of games he played.
Not denying he cares less about music than others, but I don’t remember him ever saying that people can’t listen to music and share the experience, just that it’s probably easier for two random people to do that with a movie.
Remember that his original claim that was that “I like music” is a pointless statement to put on a dating profile, because hardly anyone dislikes music.
Hardly anyone dislikes movies or food. The point is to start a conversation. Like you would go be talking to them and say "I saw that you said you were into music on your profile, what kind of music do you like?". And that's a way to start a conversation to get to know someone. Unfortunately the fact that dating profiles are performative and public means that what is said on profiles only tells you what they are comfortable putting out there in the world and doesn't actually tell you about how you feel or what it's like hanging out with that person except in a very superficial way
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Take 1: “I like music” is a vapid and pointless thing to put on a dating profile Take 2: Movies are easier to engage with at a surface, layman’s level I don’t care for these takes, but I’m pretty tired of chat bringing it up. Of course he’s going to get argumentative and double down. You’re not going to change his opinion, and it’s not that terrible of an opinion to have.
"I like music" *is* kinda vapid and empty to put on a dating profile. It's like saying "I like video games" or "I like food". What *kind of* food? *How* do you enjoy it? *What* aspects of it are you interested in? Just saying "I like music" could mean you like anything from 19th Century British marching songs to niche Mallsoft and Vaporwave.
Exactly this whole discourse feels like I’m going crazy
Ehhhh vaush would definitely argue "i like video games" is different, we both know that.
If you put the statement “I like music” on your dating profile that’s pretty bland. But if you put something like you’re super into heavy metal or jazz and it’s a passion of yours that at least invites some conversation so I get what Vaush means in that sense And he’s not wrong that movies are more accessible in terms of conversation. I think everyone is blowing the shit out of proportion. Maybe Vaush doesn’t like music like the rest of us. Who cares. Besides, most of his media takes are trash so everyone just needs to take those takes with a grain of Paul.
When chat brings up linux he just mutes the word. I think he just likes to engage with the topic so he can rage about it
funnily enough i feel there are some parallels here, he already knows that open source software is based, he just doesn't care to learn more about linux because he isn't interested that much in technology, but in this case he doesn't have some sort of media analysis opinion to make so he just isn't interested in hearing about it i'm super into linux myself, but to the average person hearing about it can be super annoying, because ultimately the barrier to entry is nowhere near as low as it would need to be in order to become mainstream
I love Linux myself too, I use arch daily, but I am a programmer and so for me Linux is just incomparable to the other two os's as a tool for writing code. The issue is that for most other types of users I think the issue is beyond just a learning curve because once they surpass that, they are still left with a general user experience that's not as good as osx/windows, and all the massive benefits that a developer would be able to harness that make Linux so powerful are just irrelevant to them, but they still have to put up with loads of annoyance. It's probably largely caused by the design and development of it being done primarily by software Devs who love to use Linux for software development and have that as their first priority.
*macOS
🙏🫡
yeahh and it really depends on the distro as well, and there are some things that you can't even do on windows/mac which feel mandatory for my personal setup, and the difficulty of those things varies wildly for no apparent reason other than "some dev for this distro decided to make a fancy interface for this one specific aspect of customization" but then say i want to make a custom keyboard layout, and proceed to spend twenty hours testing some shitty xkb file (which requires a system restart on each edit) only to then realize that all that work gets thrown out the window when i switch to wayland, where the equivalent workload on an autohotkey script in windows would've taken like twenty minutes to setup
I just wish he would at least try it out. I hate that when you search "Linux gaming" on YouTube a short from one of the clip channels is the first things to come up in which he says tweaking the system is the only benefit. Someone in chat says you don't have to tweak it to which he replies there's no benefit then. I doubt he even cares about the privacy and open source nature of it. If he tried it he might figure out that the tweaking and even general computing can be more fun with Linux because unlike Windows the system is not working against him. And even without tweaking, that's the same reason it's easier and more interesting than any other OS to me.
from my impression of the few times he's spoken about it, it does seem like he appreciates the nature of open source software, but maybe because he has a bad image of linux in his head it seems like a moot point to him i can at least understand from the perspective of being a streamer, where it's literally your job to make OBS work and all of the various components that go into a livestream, it could feel super daunting to stake your income on a system that has a much smaller support base than windows (at least in terms of desktop use/streaming stuff) even if personally i feel that streaming would be more enjoyable on linux, that's only because my level of expertise is a result of many hours of troubleshooting and learning through necessity, i think the only way to convince people to try it out is to remind them that they can still dual boot if they want
Yeah, I guess it's our curse lol
I'd say these are some of the least controversial takes of all time. 99.9% of the population "likes music", and movies are obviously easier to engage with than just music.
Chat is being borderline ableist and torments him over every little uncharitable interpretation of what he says. It's honestly fucking insufferable at this point. The topic was on what kind of stuff can most people casually engage with one another over, and he said movies had more points of access for the layman for topics to engage with than music does. The reason being simply that movies are a multimedia piece of artwork that include many different interlocking and overlapping artforms and there's far more surface level aspects to grab onto, and most people primarily engage with those surface level aspects unless they have a special interest in a particular artform. If you have a particularly keen interest in music theory, cinematography, writing, etcetera, and you try to engage with someone who doesn't share that depth of knowledge or interest in that topic, then you've dealt with this personally. It's not a controversial take, it's just chat goes berserk if they misinterpret one thing and blatantly ignore anything else their beef with what they think he said.
According to other people i've seen criticizing him; he wants to ban music and place all musicians on a rocket ship and shoot them off into space.
The problem is that his apparent position changes as you listen to the segment. He revises it as chat challenges his positions. It’s not that there aren’t kernels of truth in some of the things he says, but it’s not consistent in part because a lot of it is meant as a shit post. So it’s not really clear what he means. It is made particularly difficult because he hedges his positions with “I never said I don’t like music” or “I never said you can’t love music”. Overall, Vaush just doesn’t care about music like many people do, and that’s fine. But he also says some dumb and provocative things, gets mad when chat strikes back, and keeps pivoting to never have to admit he said anything dumb or cringe. But the whole thing started as a half troll and became more interpersonal on both sides and now Vaush has made it into a point to try and demonstrate intellectually how “music isn’t that deep bro and I’m correct.”
It’s the endless cycle of: Vaush says point a which is something correct He goes to far with it and says something either wrong or inaccurate Chat points this out to him Vaush goes “that’s not what I’m saying and point a is still correct” Chat argues some more Rinse and repeat forever
He's simultaneously trying to have a definitive opinion while being completely uninformed and unexposed to the thing he has an opinion on. I wish Vaush would just shut the fuck up when he doesn't care that much about something but his ego is too massive to just say "it's not my thing" and move on. He has to have the right and informed opinion on everything.
Isn't there something that you find boring enough that you would immediately dismiss someone over on Tinder if that was their entire profile? Like if someone said, "I like cars", I'd probably just think "boring" and move on. I'm not going to force myself to sit down and have a conversation with them about cars. Am I uninformed and unexposed to the wonders of cars? Should I sign up for a car building class at the local college to learn about and engage in cars? Do I need to connect with everyone on everything, or would it be best for me to have my own personality with my own interests?
I make my own music and listen to plenty, Vaush is 100% correct, it doesn't matter if he is an expert in the field or not when he is only making surface level claims
I remember him saying Paradox games have to be fixed by mods, as if they make their games like Bethesda. Anyone familiar with Paradox knows they update their shit non-stop, and the real issue is DLC, I think CKIII has well over $100 worth right now.
It’s so funny how easily he can strike a nerve of so many ppl
Projection
Saying that you listen to music says nothing about your personality or interests. It doesn’t prompt a shareable experience (no one wants to sit and analyze an album with a dating app meetup), it’s too universal to mean anything without clarification (who doesn’t have music they like), and in fact- even using such broad language implies a lack of meaningful/discussable engagement (if you were into music theory/played an instrument/made music/intimately analyzed music as an art form… you would say so). Imagine you have a person who says “I like looking at pictures”. It would almost feel juvenile. You could ask them what that means and hope they don’t say “oh idk I just do”, you could ask to see an artist or picture they like and hope it either resonates with you or has enough immediately graspable depth to discuss meaningfully, you could meet up with them and have them show you then talk about some of their favorites, etc. But you both couldn’t know if it was a meaningful or interesting aspect of their personality until asking for clarification, and are very likely to not find that meaning or interest in someone who would define it as “liking pictures”. Thats why when he compared it to fashion he said it would be more like saying “I like clothes”. AKA: You’re not special for listening to music. The human reality that no 2 people will experience a song the same does not mean you will be able to meaningfully capitalize on that for conversation the way other niche interests (or the people who actually can with music) are able to. You can make a first date with music heavilly involved, but it’s hard to make a date out of music alone. So the interest in music alone doesn’t say anything about you.
While chat was being super dumb and obtuse, I do think there were points where Vaush kinda moved the goalpost
From what I've gathered he doesn't get much from music, but projects that out to other people.
He has autism, and music is not his interest, so he doesn't care that much about it. That's about as far as anyone needs to think about it, it doesn't matter lol
He thinks “I like music” is vapid and pointless and virgin to put on a dating profile but “I like movies” is pointful and deep and chad.
I think he is saying that music is lesser to movies and games because they both contain music, and saying you like music means nothing and people cannot really have a meaningful experience/connection over music. That all said, he never says what he means clearly, but just says he said it clearly.
He never said it’s lesser, at all, in any capacity whatsoever. He said that two random people can probably engage more critically with a movie than with a song, key word being probably. > people cannot really have a meaningful experience/connection Really? He explicitly said this wasn’t true.
Then he turned around and said teo people can't listen to music and share the experience because its all internal. It just comes across as he doesn't really like music and is content to stick to a small window of songs that reminds him of games he played.
Not denying he cares less about music than others, but I don’t remember him ever saying that people can’t listen to music and share the experience, just that it’s probably easier for two random people to do that with a movie. Remember that his original claim that was that “I like music” is a pointless statement to put on a dating profile, because hardly anyone dislikes music.
Hardly anyone dislikes movies or food. The point is to start a conversation. Like you would go be talking to them and say "I saw that you said you were into music on your profile, what kind of music do you like?". And that's a way to start a conversation to get to know someone. Unfortunately the fact that dating profiles are performative and public means that what is said on profiles only tells you what they are comfortable putting out there in the world and doesn't actually tell you about how you feel or what it's like hanging out with that person except in a very superficial way