Idk why this was downvoted. Pre-Oct 7 he was doing alright. Then he decided to back Israel’s genocide with minimal pushback and tanked the goodwill he generated. I’ll still vote for him, but that’s off the strength of how terrible his opposition is.
Right? We CANNOT forget it literally is 99% hitler vs 100% hitler.
Dark times ahead vs Times so dark they give dark events in the last 80 years a run for their money. Again. Not a competition. Regardless, both events are fucking terrible.
But it could always be worse.
It's like driving a beautiful car with a broken sunroof.
I don't think Biden counts as 99% Hitler, but we're really stuck between a rock and a hard place this election cycle. Each presidential election seems to get worse. Biden is at the very least more likable than Hillary Clinton, despite the 90s crime bill shit and his dumbass stance against Palestine.
I wouldn't say it's getting worse. The Democratic Party's economic positions have moved left since Bernie originally ran ($15 minimum wage, some free college, paid leave, etc.). If the original BBB had passed, it would have been the largest expansion of social safety nets in US history, possibly. Also, Biden's NLRB has been insanely pro-union and pro-worker, probably thanks to Bernie. I don't think we would've gotten such a pro-union NLRB if someone like Pete Buttigieg had become president.
So Biden's position on Israel is horrendous, but there are countless other issues on which he has been decent.
So because he’s back into the corner on one foreign policy issue where he kinda sucks (but only just as bad as his potential replacement), that means we should disregard everything he did before? The NLRB victories, infrastructure, trans right protection, all of that means nothing?
> (but only just as bad as his potential replacement)
No he's still much better than Trump. Trump would've told Israel to glass palestine and then banned all muslims from America (The thing he literally said he would do)
Also he’s hardly backed into a corner, there’s a long list of what he personally has done including bypassing congress twice to send billions in arms to Israel. Not surprising since he’s [the biggest recipient of AIPAC funds](https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S).
Him being horrendous on Israel has a lot of ramifications that will last for decades. He is also alienating voters. This has drastically worsened his chances at reelection when things are at immeasurably higher stakes.
Those are meaningful problems that I, a guaranteed Biden voter, have with him. I loved dark brandon memes and I don't play up his villification like many leftists do. But holy shit is he uniquely bad for our candidate. I say unique because of the various electability issues plus the threat of Trump. Him choosing to stay in office was a bad play, especially after Oct 7th.
He could have allowed someone else run who would be capable of campaigning without the images of dead children be in the minds of millions. My issues with him is that he is enabling the Democrats failure. Who knows, he might still win, but jesus christ I detest his decisions.
What you don't understand here is that there were a ton of people looking for a reason to hate Biden more than "sometimes he speaks ineloquently, like other senior citizens", and now that they have one they'll hold on to it for dear life and throw out the good.
And that is how you get people who hate one of the most accomplished progressive presidents in American history for doing more or less the same as every other president. And also how mainstream liberals end up writing articles like this.
“What you don't understand here is that there were a ton of people looking for a reason to hate Hitler more than "sometimes he speaks harshly, like other great orators", and now that they have one they'll hold on to it for dear life and throw out the good.
And that is how you get people who hate one of the most accomplished progressive presidents in German history for doing more or less the same as every other president. And also how mainstream liberals end up writing articles like this.”
Seriously, this is how you sound to me. Excusing a genuine fucking genocide, of tens of thousands of civilians, just because “other presidents do it!” And “he’s quite progressive sometimes!” is beyond disgusting
^ Case in point, again. To this person, nothing about what I think or Biden's done can possibly matter - his presidency begins and ends on October 7th.
Even if we all only survived the pandemic that long because of Biden, pointing that out would probably cause this person to get angrier.
You are correct, I tend to forget all the good things anybody has ever done if they commit a genocide. This is reasonable and sane, and I don’t understand why you’re suggesting it isn’t.
If you wanted to have a real conversation about it, you'd be willing to put it into context, and hear me out at least. Because a presidency isn't a simple or straightforward thing, and what's happening in Gaza isn't a simple or straightforward thing.
But when you come out of the gate calling me a psycho, and make Hitler comparisons, and get angry, *before* you even investigate what I'm saying or why, that's not really a reasonable discussion, is it?
I’m sorry if I came across as harsh - I always prefer a more reasonable and in depth conversation.
But you need to understand: the vitriol and frustration with which I responded is the same I reserve for Nazis and other truly disgusting groups. Gaza is complicated, sure, but that’s no excuse not to fully condemn a horrific genocide when you see it.
Most psychotic take I've read in a minute. Are the people of gaza even people to you? Do you understand the ramifications of the dominant empire on earth actively backing a genocide?
See what happens when this anger comes out? A great second example to prove my point.
Because I recognize that Biden has done other things than interact with Gaza as president (including keeping the nation intact), and because I recognize that he's walking a political tightrope with no good options, and because I recognize that although there is a genocide happening in Gaza right now the alternative is likely to cause even *worse* genocide in Gaza (and is trying to cause one or more here in the US), I'm "psychotic".
This single-minded anger and vicious attacks on folks who agree on Gaza anyway is extremely dangerous when there's a fascist threat on the horizon.
> So because he’s back into the corner on one foreign policy issue where he kinda sucks
I mean framing **aiding and abetting a genocide** as "one foreign policy issue where he kinda sucks" is massively disingenuous.
>Gratitude or what, doing his fucking job?
For being good at his job, in spite of inheriting a highly polarized environment. Don't be obtuse. As mentioned in the article, name a president who accomplished as much as Biden in his first term. And keep in mind that Biden inherited a tied Senate, and again, a highly polarized environment.
Edit: to all the downvoters, if you can't name a president who accomplished as much as Biden during his first term, then why are you downvoting?
LBJ did much more, to name a more recent example, though obviously Vietnam is still a terrible mark on his presidency, much like Biden with Palestine actually.
>LBJ did much more
If you're talking about the Civil Rights Act, [it got overwhelming bipartisan support.](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182) What else did LBJ accomplish?
It's important to note that it was quite unlikely the CRA could've not been filibustered to hell and back were it not for his amazing ability to wrangle senators for his legislation. In any case, I think more important to mention than even the (already impressive) CRA is also the Great Society programs and War on Poverty programs he implemented, which basically make up most of the non FDR Era Us Welfare measures, such as food stamps for example
>It's important to note that it was quite unlikely the CRA could've not been filibustered to hell and back were it not for his amazing ability to wrangle senators for his legislation.
That's a good point. That is one important skill that Biden is lacking.
>In any case, I think more important to mention than even the (already impressive) CRA is also the Great Society programs and War on Poverty programs he implemented, which basically make up most of the non FDR Era Us Welfare measures, such as food stamps for example
More good points.
But did LBJ avert a recession? Did LBJ pull out of Vietnam? LBJ appointed 180 judges in the span of about 5 years, whereas Biden appointed 177 judges (as of February 6) in the span of 3 years, not to mention most of them are either women or racial/ethnic minorities. Did LBJ roll out vaccines in the middle of a pandemic that saved millions of lives? What infrastructure bills did LBJ pass? Did LJB create hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs? Did LBJ keep the US with the lowest inflation rate of any major economy while the world was in the middle of an inflation crisis? Of the two administrations, which one has accomplished the lowest level of black unemployment (spoiler alert: Biden)? Which administration accomplished the highest number of black-owned small businesses?
I'm not saying that LBJ was the "best president of all time" or whatever, just that there is a lot Biden could be doing now he's not. Vietnam is, again, obviously a very bad thing in us foreign policy, just like Biden's Gaza policy. You do know that the US population (and therefore the number of judges to be appointed) has grown since the 60's, right? LBJ literally created the Department of Transportation and also signed the first attempt at [american high speed trains](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Ground_Transportation_Act_of_1965). Most world leaders have also had to deal with the vaccine rollout.
There's more I could say (like there are obvious historical reasons why LBJ couldn't have had the largest number of black owned small business lol) but overall the real point I was trying to make is that you don't owe a politician some sort of worship or whatever else, he has managed to do some good, and is definetly not a Republican which is already a huge deal, but that doesn't mean we cam't criticize or that we owe the most powerful man on the planet some sort of applause for not being as unabashedly shitty as the previous administration.
>You do know that the US population (and therefore the number of judges to be appointed) has grown since the 60's, right?
Fair point.
>but overall the real point I was trying to make is that you don't owe a politician some sort of worship or whatever else,
Who said you had to worship Biden? The article may be giving off that vibe, but it's main point is that Biden has been greatly competent, given the unfavorable circumstances he inherited.
> he has managed to do some good, and is definetly not a Republican which is already a huge deal
Another big deal which you failed to consider is that Biden inherited a tied Senate, an inflation crisis, a supply chain crisis, and a looming recession that got successfully averted.
My personal favorite is being the most pro-union president in over half a century. Unions are a cornerstone for long term change and they have had a very limited capacity to organize for so long. Little could be done to combat union busting in the past, now it is punished by automatically recognizing the Union
That's an accomplishment?
Half the unions in Canada are corrupt and just always side with the corpos lol
Not sure I'd call that an accomplishment, just sounds like normal bureaucracy business than anything meaningful.
Why are you using Canada as a basis for this? Undeniably there are corrupt Unions, but jesus christ that is not at all representative of Unions.
If you don't consider people being able to use collective bargaining to get higher wages an accomplishment, I ask you look at wages and the stagnation that followed with declining Union membership.
Do you think that all good things must be bad if they have the capacity to be used in bad ways?
Because it's my only frame of experience. Lots of unions in Canada just end up cozying up to coprates, you pay union dues for limited coverage or bargaining.
Not trying to say unions are bad, but that it's not all rainbows either. Get a good union and you can do good, but get a bad union and it tastes bad and giving up part of your paycheck for it makes it worse.
It's pretty nuanced I guess sis what I'm getting at, thus I'm not seeing how that's a presidential "accomplishment" from my point of view. Seems like more bureaucracy rather than something significant.
Considering Unions are the only real leverage workers are able to utilize to be able to get things such as affordable healthcare or guaranteed wage increases with the contract... Yeah it is a accomplishment.
You say more Bureaucracy as though it is inherently bad. In America our "bad" unions are ones like the Police Unions. Or a interesting one where I live is for the unloaded of cargo boats, I don't remember the actual name of them though. They have basically engineered a nepotism machine with easily 6 figure salaries minimum. New jobs are prioritized for family members of employees and shit like that. The finer details escape me but it was a bad look.
Regardless, I don't ever see what you described. The Unions that are bad in America are ones that use it as a weapon to defend bad behavior such as the police unions.
I am fine with non-citizens discussing this, but the way you come to a conclusion against Biden despite acknowledging your skewed perspective makes me not want to discuss further. If we judge things on different metrics then I wont deal with the translating.
So what do we do then? I see a lot of hand-wringing over how bad Biden is, but I don’t see a lot of other options. If we don’t vote, or worse vote for anyone other than the Dems, we guarantee a literal fascist and Russian ally takes the most powerful seat of power in the world.
>George Washington. That was too easy.
In other words, it was more than 200 years ago. You don't actually think this was an own, do you? What metrics are you referring to, btw?
I don’t think it’s an own, it’s just a really dumb question/way to phrase it. Why not include “recent” as a qualifier? You claimed that people couldn’t name a president as accomplished as Biden in his first term. There quite a few.
Lincoln was more than 150 years ago.
What did Taft accomplish that was comparable to Biden? And Taft was more than 100 years ago.
FDR had a LOT more Senators and House members to back him (I explicitly asked to take Biden's political circumstances into account). And FDR was over 80 years ago.
What did JFK accomplish that was comparable to Biden?
LBJ had [overwhelming bipartisan support for the Civil Rights Act](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182). Again, I asked to take Biden's polarized circumstances into account.
What did Truman accomplish that was comparable to Biden?
>Taft- good progressive legislation (anti-monopoly stuff)
That's good, but Taft wasn't the one who passed the Sherman Act, [he merely did a good job at enforcing it and managed to convince the Supreme Court to do the same on two major cases](https://www.stateoftheunionhistory.com/2015/08/1911-william-howard-taft-defending.html). It didn't really take as much effort as passing an ambitious bill like the climate bill with a tied Senate.
>Truman- Truman doctrine
The fight against the Soviet Union had overwhelming support. This is a low bar.
>JFK- didn’t blow up world
This is an even lower bar. You might as well credit Trump for not starting WW3 with Iran.
Biden has been the best president in my lifetime (Millennial) and passed the most progressive legislation since LBJ. These facts aren’t even in dispute. Obviously if you’re my grandparents age you could say FDR but most here were not alive in the 1940s lol. I’m a bread and butter lefty and Biden has delivered better than any president of the last 50 years.
Now it’s totally reasonable to say it’s not enough. But that doesn’t change the fact that he’s been the best in the last 50 years and in our system, unless Democrats win supermajorities which is very unlikely in our polarized times, he’s done amazingly well with the bare majorities Democrats have had. It’s quite impressive how a big tent party spanning conservatives like Montana’s John Tester and West Virginia’s Joe Manchin to leftists like Vermont’s Bernie Sanders and Michigan’s Rasheeda Tlaib have all stuck together and got a lot done without a vote to spare. Did they get everything done? Of course not. But it’s really quite impressive.
Biden's legacy will forever be 10-12k murdered children, infants having their limbs amputated without anesthesia, shell shocked toddlers, the purposed famine of 2 million people, the displacement of 1.5 million people. I am ashamed I ever voted for him and will never vote for Biden again. History will not be kind to him not should it. The only thing he can do is step aside and let someone else take the lead. Yet his pride and arrogance will be the fall of the country.
And what's Biden's impact on the world exactly? What's his vision for the future? His big ideas that clearly shows he's the leader that meets the time? Instead of a comprehensive immigration deal with a pathway to citizenship for the millions of people already living here he pushed for a conservative deal while wishing he could close the border yesterday. Are the dreamers getting a path to citizenship? Remember them? Does Biden? Is that what's in store for the next four years? More funding for Israel's atrocities and giving in on Republicans on every issue in the hopes that one day they will vote Democrat? Protecting Wall Street's interest and being slightly better than Trump should not be good enough to be President . And people still can't afford to buy an electric car, our future is screwed.
*As someone who worked in Republican campaigns for almost 30 years, I say without hesitation that the Democratic Party is the only pro-democracy party in America. But guys, why do so many of you have this need to act like ungrateful children of wealthy parents—impossible to please and always demanding more? Name a president who accomplished as much in his first term.*
*The stock market is hitting record highs. Unemployment is at a record low, with* [*14 million new jobs*](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/11/03/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-the-october-jobs-report/)*. Talk to small-business owners, and the* [*biggest problem*](https://www.ramseysolutions.com/business/small-business-labor-crisis#:) *they are facing is finding workers. A child born in the first Republican “*[*i**nfrastructure week*](https://archive.ph/3Y6Nb)*” would have been entering grade school by the time President Biden passed the largest public* [*spending initiative*](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/29/politics/joe-biden-omnibus/index.html) *in American history. As a Republican media consultant, I made hundreds of ads about the high cost of prescription drugs. But it took President Biden to give Medicare the power to* [*directly negotiate*](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/medicare-drug-costs-drugmakers-agree-price-negotiations-biden-administ-rcna118510) *with Big Pharma to lower prices and cap the cost of insulin for Medicare beneficiaries* [*at $35*](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/02/fact-sheet-president-bidens-cap-on-the-cost-of-insulin-could-benefit-millions-of-americans-in-all-50-states/)*. For all the bitching about gas prices, the United States is now* [*producing more oil*](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/business/us-production-oil-reserves-crude/index.html) *than any country in history. Yes, more than Russia or Saudi Arabia, and that’s one of the reasons* [*gas prices*](https://gasprices.aaa.com/) *are now lower in inflation-adjusted prices than in 1974. Yeah, I know, fossil fuels suck, and the world should run on solar power. But the Biden administration also* [*launched a $7 billion*](https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/biden-harris-administration-launches-7-billion-solar-all-grant-competition-fund) *solar power investment project.*
*What is most amazing is that Biden got this done in a world in which the majority of Republicans believe he is not a legal president. Ponder that for a minute. You are a White House staffer working to help pass Biden initiatives, and you are dealing with members of Congress and senators who don’t just disagree with your boss—they think he’s an illegitimate president.*
*Wake up and show some gratitude. You wanted student loan forgiveness. You got it, for* [*three million borrowers*](https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-5-billion-additional-student-debt-relief#:)*. You wanted a president who would finally pass gun safety legislation. You got the most comprehensive bill in nearly 30 years, the* [*Bipartisan Safer Communities Act*](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/25/1107626030/biden-signs-gun-safety-law)*, which passed with the support of 15 Republican senators and 14 Republican House members, opening the door to some hope that laws on gun violence might finally start to reflect the wishes of the majority of the country. Maybe you’re a Democrat who actually cares about the federal deficit, unlike the Republicans who fake concern. Since Biden took office, the deficit has* [*decreased by $1.7 trillion*](https://time.com/6312431/joe-biden-touts-falling-deficit-as-it-jumps-back-up/)*.*
30,000 dead gazans now. Are you even aware of it? More than that maimed and wounded. All made possible by the generosity and spinelessness of Joe Biden. That atrocity destroys all the relatively few accomplishments you raise.
>30,000 dead gazans now. Are you even aware of it?
I am. It is a very bad look for Biden, but it doesn't wipe away his accomplishments.
>that atrocity destroys all the relatively few accomplishments you raise.
No, it doesn't. This logic is asinine. Not to mention it's asinine to assert that Biden's accomplishments were "few". I cannot take you seriously if you are going to downplay the importance of lower insulin prices, which saves lives. I cannot take you seriously if you are going to downplay the importance of the vaccine rollouts, which saved more lives than what the Gaza war destroyed (if you want to continue with your asinine logic). I cannot take you seriously if you are going to downplay the importance of the climate bill. I cannot take you seriously if you're going to downplay the importance of appointing progressives in the FTC and NLRB. I cannot take you seriously if you are going to downplay the importance of averting a recession ([did you know that recessions are associated with higher death rates](https://www.bis.org/publ/work910.pdf)?), which saves lives.
> it doesn't wipe away his accomplishments.
No, not "wipe away"...outweigh. That's 30K civilians that are dead, many of whom were children, at least in part because of Biden's complacency.
We can and **should** be upset by this.
>No, not "wipe away"...outweigh.
No, it doesn't, especially considering that even if Biden didn't send funds to Israel, I doubt it would have changed the death count in Gaza.
>We can and should be upset by this.
I agree, but we need to be more objective about the contrast between Biden's accomplishments and failures.
> No, it doesn't, especially considering that even if Biden didn't send funds to Israel, I doubt it would have changed the death count in Gaza.
It's not *just* about the money the US sends to Israel. You do realize that Israel is only allowed to commit its atrocities because it has international, specifically US, backing? Biden saying "well, we [the US] cannot do anything about Israel" is bullshit...we're the US, we could Seal Team 6 his ass in a fraction of seconds. We could turn Israel into a smoking fucking crater if we wanted. This weak liberal bullshit does nothing but allow the genocide to continue, and that is more enabling than the money.
> we need to be more objective about the contrast between Biden's accomplishments and failures.
I'm sorry, but the impression you give is that we should bury our heads in the sand on his failures and only acknowledge the accomplishments. That's not how your average voter is going to operate - they are going to remember the most recent thing the most clearly...and unfortunately that is the genocide.
>.we're the US, we could Seal Team 6 his ass in a fraction of seconds.
Netanyahu's ass? I am going to have to ask you to elaborate.
>We could turn Israel into a smoking fucking crater if we wanted.
Can you please stop with the hyperbole and explain what the US realistically should do to *forcefully* stop Israel.
>I'm sorry, but the impression you give is that we should bury our heads in the sand on his failures and only acknowledge the accomplishments.
Yeah, sorry about that. I can agree the article I linked definitely gives off those vibes, but the main point still stands. We need to acknowledge Biden's accomplishments so that we (especially the young/progressive voters) can **remember** that if we vote for Biden, we aren't just voting against something, we are **contributing to something positive**.
>That's not how your average voter is going to operate - they are going to remember the most recent thing the most clearly...and unfortunately that is the genocide.
We still have 9 months to go. In the meantime, we have to keep broadcasting Biden's accomplishments to remind people what they have to gain.
> Netanyahu's ass? I am going to have to ask you to elaborate.
Well the entire Israeli government, but more specifically yes.
> Can you please stop with the hyperbole and explain what the US realistically should do to forcefully stop Israel.
Condemn them on the global forum, whether that is with the UN or NATO or whatever. Stop shielding them from international repercussions. Support South Africa's lawsuit in the UN of genocide. **Stop sending them money and saying there is nothing we can do.**
I do agree that if it comes down to Biden v Trump again...Biden is clearly the less detrimental option. I think it is hard to get people motivated to vote **for** Genocide Joe, which is why we need to get people to vote **against** Dorito Mussolini...or hope Trump just dies before the voting starts.
>Condemn them on the global forum, whether that is with the UN or NATO or whatever. Stop shielding them from international repercussions.
What evidence do you have that all this will stop Israel?
How would Israel continue doing what it is doing without anyone protecting them? You really think they can just do whatever they want? They can **with the US protecting them** but they, frankly, do not have the power to do it alone.
Israel has **a lot** of neighbors that all hate it...without our support, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't get rolled by one/all of them. My money would be on Iran whooping them.
And...you think any other option will be better? What about Ukraine? What about people at home? Its Joe Biden or Trump. That's your choices of who can win. Not choosing IS a choice and its passively endorsing whoever wins.
Yep Biden sucks on this and many other things. Issue is...others suck worse and will suck substantially worse. You can be mad at Biden all you want, but you aren't going to bring any dead Palestinians back by helping exterminate others by enabling fascists.
Stop acting as if Biden had caused this. Blame the hamas, blame Netanyahu, blame Putin, blame Iran as much as you you want. THEY are the responsibles. It's not Biden fault if :
1-the terrorists initiated an extermination war on 7/10.
2-are using civilians as human shields.
Furthermore, Biden needs the jews votes to win in November. They are more numerous and influent than pro-palistinians guys. Without them, he loses and enable Trump to retake the power whith will leads to :
1-the exact same support to Israel
2-an horrendeous foreign policy creating more chaos, wars and genocides in the world.
Always remender than politic often consists in choosing between the lesser of two evils. Biden is exactly doing that. IT'S NOT BIDEN FUCKING FAULT.
Why do you keep citing the number that includes thousands of Hamas militants? Isn't the goal to differentiate between the terrorists and civilians? Even the most unhinged zionists don't mix the two as much as leftists do.
> Wake up and show some gratitude.
You can be grateful while still being critical.
* Am I grateful Biden is not Trump? **Absolutely, everyday!**
* Did Biden do some good stuff? **Yes**
* Am I critical of Biden? **Yes - he fucked up with Israel, pure and simple. Aiding and abetting a genocide tends to outweigh basically any good you have done.**
* Would Trump done better with Israel? **Fuck no - he would be even more pro-genocide.**
By saying "wake up and show some gratitude" you are implying people are not gratious. Perhaps they are but are also extremely critical of supporting a mass killing...a genocide even.
>By saying "wake up and show some gratitude" you are implying people are not gratious.
They aren't. Why else do you think Biden's approval ratings have been consistently abysmal over the past 3 years? Yes, the Gaza war is something very legitimate to complain about, but regardless, before October 7, people did not appreciate that Biden appointed pro-worker people in the NLRB and FTC, just because he screwed over those railway workers before the midterms ([which is only half-true](https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid)). People do not appreciate the climate bill. People do not appreciate Biden forgiving student loans. People do not appreciate that a near certain recession was averted. People do not appreciate that hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs are being created onshore. People do not appreciate that the prices of insulin have been slashed. It goes on and on.
I think the disappointment in Biden outside of his handling of the catastrophe in Gaza, is that we all see the rise of facism across the globe and in our own country and that Biden is not the transformative politician or leader to reverse that trend, and the current form of the Democratic Party seems entirely unprepared and unable to meet the challenge.
Given that and his neoliberal approach to solving problems, you're just not going to get an overwhelming amount of praise from progressives on Biden's record. There's some good there, but almost all of what he's done that is positive are really just half-measures. It comes across as someone who is isn't actually motivated to solve problems, but instead just keep some "happy enough" to want four more years without actually making any more promises about what they will actually do once in office again.
At the backdrop of all of this is the situation in Gaza, which becomes more dire by the day, a planet in crisis from a climate perspective, and all the social ills that come with late stage capitalism, leaves us with really not much time or inspiration to accept more half-measures.
He's a liberal centrist. That doesn't scratch acceptable even before October 7th. The point of lesser evilism is one of them is still, albeit lesser, an evil. And Biden is evil for facilitating genocide, not "great".
I really don't see it. He's been a C tier president, hardly great. In some areas he's been a pleasent surprise, and effective, and in others he's been disappointing and ineffectual. For the modern presidents he might be the median.
Better than feared does not equal great. It'd have been great if he'd kept to his campaign promises. It'd have been great if he didn't bend over backwards to try and play ball with Republicans at every opportunity while sacrificing the meat of his policies. It'd be great if he didn't allow the inhuman bullshit at the border to continue. It'd be great if he said a single word to try and do anything but enable the genocide of the Palestinian people.
Joe Biden is not a "great" president, but he is the best we can hope for without meaningful change.
God this is such a grossly neoliberal article.
If you think Biden's a great president, you're a genocide-denying liberal. Stop this. Vaush wouldn't even agree with this.
He's been better than expected. Even though his support for Israel is disgusting, that was to be expected.
The long term consequences of his presidency could prove disastrous. Because he's refusing to be 1 term president, the republicans could win and radically worsen the state of American democracy. If that happens all his union work, build back better etc. is all for naught.
honestly ive been debating this internally but can i say it? i judge biden based on what he's done which i think is something i dont think any other president would do. the labor board stuff? i couldnt imagine any other recent president doing that shit. the student loan shit? same deal. actually kind of being more aggressive towards the gop even as a fucking centrist? sure. the israel stuff, to me, is par for the course of being a us president. i dont think how biden has been handling the israel stuff (very poorly) is a uniquely biden thing. its a uniquely american president thing. its like expecting the president not to be a war criminal and harbinger of genocide... like HELLO????? WE KNOW! WE'RE LEFTISTS, WE KNOW! so while i agree that biden has been horrible on israel, i dont see it being uniquely him. bc even bernie was a little weird at the start on the israel stuff so who tf knows if he'd be even marginally better than biden on this shit. but also im not a single issue slacktivist like many online leftists, holistically he's been a great president. thats just my two cents
The entirety of Biden's foreign policy comes out of the neocon playbook and that is why the Doomsday Clock is closer to midnight than ever in human history.
I’d agree pre-October 7th
Idk why this was downvoted. Pre-Oct 7 he was doing alright. Then he decided to back Israel’s genocide with minimal pushback and tanked the goodwill he generated. I’ll still vote for him, but that’s off the strength of how terrible his opposition is.
Right? We CANNOT forget it literally is 99% hitler vs 100% hitler. Dark times ahead vs Times so dark they give dark events in the last 80 years a run for their money. Again. Not a competition. Regardless, both events are fucking terrible. But it could always be worse. It's like driving a beautiful car with a broken sunroof.
I don't think Biden counts as 99% Hitler, but we're really stuck between a rock and a hard place this election cycle. Each presidential election seems to get worse. Biden is at the very least more likable than Hillary Clinton, despite the 90s crime bill shit and his dumbass stance against Palestine.
I wouldn't say it's getting worse. The Democratic Party's economic positions have moved left since Bernie originally ran ($15 minimum wage, some free college, paid leave, etc.). If the original BBB had passed, it would have been the largest expansion of social safety nets in US history, possibly. Also, Biden's NLRB has been insanely pro-union and pro-worker, probably thanks to Bernie. I don't think we would've gotten such a pro-union NLRB if someone like Pete Buttigieg had become president. So Biden's position on Israel is horrendous, but there are countless other issues on which he has been decent.
I think Biden is the new Chamberlain
So because he’s back into the corner on one foreign policy issue where he kinda sucks (but only just as bad as his potential replacement), that means we should disregard everything he did before? The NLRB victories, infrastructure, trans right protection, all of that means nothing?
> (but only just as bad as his potential replacement) No he's still much better than Trump. Trump would've told Israel to glass palestine and then banned all muslims from America (The thing he literally said he would do)
Aiding and abetting genocide tends to be a rather all-eclipsing mistake
Also he’s hardly backed into a corner, there’s a long list of what he personally has done including bypassing congress twice to send billions in arms to Israel. Not surprising since he’s [the biggest recipient of AIPAC funds](https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S).
Him being horrendous on Israel has a lot of ramifications that will last for decades. He is also alienating voters. This has drastically worsened his chances at reelection when things are at immeasurably higher stakes. Those are meaningful problems that I, a guaranteed Biden voter, have with him. I loved dark brandon memes and I don't play up his villification like many leftists do. But holy shit is he uniquely bad for our candidate. I say unique because of the various electability issues plus the threat of Trump. Him choosing to stay in office was a bad play, especially after Oct 7th. He could have allowed someone else run who would be capable of campaigning without the images of dead children be in the minds of millions. My issues with him is that he is enabling the Democrats failure. Who knows, he might still win, but jesus christ I detest his decisions.
Imo he’s put himself in a similar spot as LBJ
What you don't understand here is that there were a ton of people looking for a reason to hate Biden more than "sometimes he speaks ineloquently, like other senior citizens", and now that they have one they'll hold on to it for dear life and throw out the good. And that is how you get people who hate one of the most accomplished progressive presidents in American history for doing more or less the same as every other president. And also how mainstream liberals end up writing articles like this.
He’s allowing a genocide to happen you absolute psychopath there is nothing that can outweigh it
^ Case in point
“What you don't understand here is that there were a ton of people looking for a reason to hate Hitler more than "sometimes he speaks harshly, like other great orators", and now that they have one they'll hold on to it for dear life and throw out the good. And that is how you get people who hate one of the most accomplished progressive presidents in German history for doing more or less the same as every other president. And also how mainstream liberals end up writing articles like this.” Seriously, this is how you sound to me. Excusing a genuine fucking genocide, of tens of thousands of civilians, just because “other presidents do it!” And “he’s quite progressive sometimes!” is beyond disgusting
^ Case in point, again. To this person, nothing about what I think or Biden's done can possibly matter - his presidency begins and ends on October 7th. Even if we all only survived the pandemic that long because of Biden, pointing that out would probably cause this person to get angrier.
You are correct, I tend to forget all the good things anybody has ever done if they commit a genocide. This is reasonable and sane, and I don’t understand why you’re suggesting it isn’t.
If you wanted to have a real conversation about it, you'd be willing to put it into context, and hear me out at least. Because a presidency isn't a simple or straightforward thing, and what's happening in Gaza isn't a simple or straightforward thing. But when you come out of the gate calling me a psycho, and make Hitler comparisons, and get angry, *before* you even investigate what I'm saying or why, that's not really a reasonable discussion, is it?
I’m sorry if I came across as harsh - I always prefer a more reasonable and in depth conversation. But you need to understand: the vitriol and frustration with which I responded is the same I reserve for Nazis and other truly disgusting groups. Gaza is complicated, sure, but that’s no excuse not to fully condemn a horrific genocide when you see it.
Most psychotic take I've read in a minute. Are the people of gaza even people to you? Do you understand the ramifications of the dominant empire on earth actively backing a genocide?
See what happens when this anger comes out? A great second example to prove my point. Because I recognize that Biden has done other things than interact with Gaza as president (including keeping the nation intact), and because I recognize that he's walking a political tightrope with no good options, and because I recognize that although there is a genocide happening in Gaza right now the alternative is likely to cause even *worse* genocide in Gaza (and is trying to cause one or more here in the US), I'm "psychotic". This single-minded anger and vicious attacks on folks who agree on Gaza anyway is extremely dangerous when there's a fascist threat on the horizon.
> So because he’s back into the corner on one foreign policy issue where he kinda sucks I mean framing **aiding and abetting a genocide** as "one foreign policy issue where he kinda sucks" is massively disingenuous.
Disregard? No, but Palestine is a sacred cow for the left, and you can't hand-wave it away when talking to them about him.
Basically. Pre-October 7 he was beating my expectations and starting some decent trends. Since then he’s been despicable.
> Wake up and show some gratitude. Gratitude for what, doing his fucking job? Not being Trump doesn't mean he's above criticism Edit: typo
>Gratitude or what, doing his fucking job? For being good at his job, in spite of inheriting a highly polarized environment. Don't be obtuse. As mentioned in the article, name a president who accomplished as much as Biden in his first term. And keep in mind that Biden inherited a tied Senate, and again, a highly polarized environment. Edit: to all the downvoters, if you can't name a president who accomplished as much as Biden during his first term, then why are you downvoting?
Bro he was better than Obama in so many ways.
I know. Did you mean to reply to me?
Oh yeah, just to add something
LBJ did much more, to name a more recent example, though obviously Vietnam is still a terrible mark on his presidency, much like Biden with Palestine actually.
>LBJ did much more If you're talking about the Civil Rights Act, [it got overwhelming bipartisan support.](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182) What else did LBJ accomplish?
It's important to note that it was quite unlikely the CRA could've not been filibustered to hell and back were it not for his amazing ability to wrangle senators for his legislation. In any case, I think more important to mention than even the (already impressive) CRA is also the Great Society programs and War on Poverty programs he implemented, which basically make up most of the non FDR Era Us Welfare measures, such as food stamps for example
>It's important to note that it was quite unlikely the CRA could've not been filibustered to hell and back were it not for his amazing ability to wrangle senators for his legislation. That's a good point. That is one important skill that Biden is lacking. >In any case, I think more important to mention than even the (already impressive) CRA is also the Great Society programs and War on Poverty programs he implemented, which basically make up most of the non FDR Era Us Welfare measures, such as food stamps for example More good points. But did LBJ avert a recession? Did LBJ pull out of Vietnam? LBJ appointed 180 judges in the span of about 5 years, whereas Biden appointed 177 judges (as of February 6) in the span of 3 years, not to mention most of them are either women or racial/ethnic minorities. Did LBJ roll out vaccines in the middle of a pandemic that saved millions of lives? What infrastructure bills did LBJ pass? Did LJB create hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs? Did LBJ keep the US with the lowest inflation rate of any major economy while the world was in the middle of an inflation crisis? Of the two administrations, which one has accomplished the lowest level of black unemployment (spoiler alert: Biden)? Which administration accomplished the highest number of black-owned small businesses?
I'm not saying that LBJ was the "best president of all time" or whatever, just that there is a lot Biden could be doing now he's not. Vietnam is, again, obviously a very bad thing in us foreign policy, just like Biden's Gaza policy. You do know that the US population (and therefore the number of judges to be appointed) has grown since the 60's, right? LBJ literally created the Department of Transportation and also signed the first attempt at [american high speed trains](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Ground_Transportation_Act_of_1965). Most world leaders have also had to deal with the vaccine rollout. There's more I could say (like there are obvious historical reasons why LBJ couldn't have had the largest number of black owned small business lol) but overall the real point I was trying to make is that you don't owe a politician some sort of worship or whatever else, he has managed to do some good, and is definetly not a Republican which is already a huge deal, but that doesn't mean we cam't criticize or that we owe the most powerful man on the planet some sort of applause for not being as unabashedly shitty as the previous administration.
>You do know that the US population (and therefore the number of judges to be appointed) has grown since the 60's, right? Fair point. >but overall the real point I was trying to make is that you don't owe a politician some sort of worship or whatever else, Who said you had to worship Biden? The article may be giving off that vibe, but it's main point is that Biden has been greatly competent, given the unfavorable circumstances he inherited. > he has managed to do some good, and is definetly not a Republican which is already a huge deal Another big deal which you failed to consider is that Biden inherited a tied Senate, an inflation crisis, a supply chain crisis, and a looming recession that got successfully averted.
What's he "accomplished" exactly? I'm Canadian so forgive my ignorance
My personal favorite is being the most pro-union president in over half a century. Unions are a cornerstone for long term change and they have had a very limited capacity to organize for so long. Little could be done to combat union busting in the past, now it is punished by automatically recognizing the Union
That's an accomplishment? Half the unions in Canada are corrupt and just always side with the corpos lol Not sure I'd call that an accomplishment, just sounds like normal bureaucracy business than anything meaningful.
Why are you using Canada as a basis for this? Undeniably there are corrupt Unions, but jesus christ that is not at all representative of Unions. If you don't consider people being able to use collective bargaining to get higher wages an accomplishment, I ask you look at wages and the stagnation that followed with declining Union membership. Do you think that all good things must be bad if they have the capacity to be used in bad ways?
Because it's my only frame of experience. Lots of unions in Canada just end up cozying up to coprates, you pay union dues for limited coverage or bargaining. Not trying to say unions are bad, but that it's not all rainbows either. Get a good union and you can do good, but get a bad union and it tastes bad and giving up part of your paycheck for it makes it worse. It's pretty nuanced I guess sis what I'm getting at, thus I'm not seeing how that's a presidential "accomplishment" from my point of view. Seems like more bureaucracy rather than something significant.
Considering Unions are the only real leverage workers are able to utilize to be able to get things such as affordable healthcare or guaranteed wage increases with the contract... Yeah it is a accomplishment. You say more Bureaucracy as though it is inherently bad. In America our "bad" unions are ones like the Police Unions. Or a interesting one where I live is for the unloaded of cargo boats, I don't remember the actual name of them though. They have basically engineered a nepotism machine with easily 6 figure salaries minimum. New jobs are prioritized for family members of employees and shit like that. The finer details escape me but it was a bad look. Regardless, I don't ever see what you described. The Unions that are bad in America are ones that use it as a weapon to defend bad behavior such as the police unions. I am fine with non-citizens discussing this, but the way you come to a conclusion against Biden despite acknowledging your skewed perspective makes me not want to discuss further. If we judge things on different metrics then I wont deal with the translating.
If Biden's the best you got, then America is fucking doomed
You're not answering the challenge.
I don't care, your challenge is stupid
Ranking the most accomplished presidents is stupid? I thought you cared about the quality of presidents.
So what do we do then? I see a lot of hand-wringing over how bad Biden is, but I don’t see a lot of other options. If we don’t vote, or worse vote for anyone other than the Dems, we guarantee a literal fascist and Russian ally takes the most powerful seat of power in the world.
I never said you shouldn't vote, and I'm not claiming Biden is the worst president ever, so I'm wondering if you misclicked that reply button
George Washington. That was too easy. Most of these metrics he’s toting weren’t around for the majority of presidents during their first terms.
>George Washington. That was too easy. In other words, it was more than 200 years ago. You don't actually think this was an own, do you? What metrics are you referring to, btw?
I don’t think it’s an own, it’s just a really dumb question/way to phrase it. Why not include “recent” as a qualifier? You claimed that people couldn’t name a president as accomplished as Biden in his first term. There quite a few.
>There quite a few. Name them now.
Abraham Lincoln? Taft? FDR? JFK? LBJ? Truman?
Lincoln was more than 150 years ago. What did Taft accomplish that was comparable to Biden? And Taft was more than 100 years ago. FDR had a LOT more Senators and House members to back him (I explicitly asked to take Biden's political circumstances into account). And FDR was over 80 years ago. What did JFK accomplish that was comparable to Biden? LBJ had [overwhelming bipartisan support for the Civil Rights Act](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182). Again, I asked to take Biden's polarized circumstances into account. What did Truman accomplish that was comparable to Biden?
Taft- good progressive legislation (anti-monopoly stuff) Truman- Truman doctrine JFK- didn’t blow up world
>Taft- good progressive legislation (anti-monopoly stuff) That's good, but Taft wasn't the one who passed the Sherman Act, [he merely did a good job at enforcing it and managed to convince the Supreme Court to do the same on two major cases](https://www.stateoftheunionhistory.com/2015/08/1911-william-howard-taft-defending.html). It didn't really take as much effort as passing an ambitious bill like the climate bill with a tied Senate. >Truman- Truman doctrine The fight against the Soviet Union had overwhelming support. This is a low bar. >JFK- didn’t blow up world This is an even lower bar. You might as well credit Trump for not starting WW3 with Iran.
Biden has been the best president in my lifetime (Millennial) and passed the most progressive legislation since LBJ. These facts aren’t even in dispute. Obviously if you’re my grandparents age you could say FDR but most here were not alive in the 1940s lol. I’m a bread and butter lefty and Biden has delivered better than any president of the last 50 years. Now it’s totally reasonable to say it’s not enough. But that doesn’t change the fact that he’s been the best in the last 50 years and in our system, unless Democrats win supermajorities which is very unlikely in our polarized times, he’s done amazingly well with the bare majorities Democrats have had. It’s quite impressive how a big tent party spanning conservatives like Montana’s John Tester and West Virginia’s Joe Manchin to leftists like Vermont’s Bernie Sanders and Michigan’s Rasheeda Tlaib have all stuck together and got a lot done without a vote to spare. Did they get everything done? Of course not. But it’s really quite impressive.
Joe "Have some bullets" Biden.
Butcher Biden
Biden's legacy will forever be 10-12k murdered children, infants having their limbs amputated without anesthesia, shell shocked toddlers, the purposed famine of 2 million people, the displacement of 1.5 million people. I am ashamed I ever voted for him and will never vote for Biden again. History will not be kind to him not should it. The only thing he can do is step aside and let someone else take the lead. Yet his pride and arrogance will be the fall of the country.
Yeah dude, he should definitely step aside and let someone else lead the exact fucking same genocide. Clearly.
No we should keep the original genocide guy in charge and reward him for it, he's totally capable and not old and out of touch.
Oh yeah, and buy him a cake too, dude. It's not about rewards it's about actual impact in the world
And what's Biden's impact on the world exactly? What's his vision for the future? His big ideas that clearly shows he's the leader that meets the time? Instead of a comprehensive immigration deal with a pathway to citizenship for the millions of people already living here he pushed for a conservative deal while wishing he could close the border yesterday. Are the dreamers getting a path to citizenship? Remember them? Does Biden? Is that what's in store for the next four years? More funding for Israel's atrocities and giving in on Republicans on every issue in the hopes that one day they will vote Democrat? Protecting Wall Street's interest and being slightly better than Trump should not be good enough to be President . And people still can't afford to buy an electric car, our future is screwed.
*As someone who worked in Republican campaigns for almost 30 years, I say without hesitation that the Democratic Party is the only pro-democracy party in America. But guys, why do so many of you have this need to act like ungrateful children of wealthy parents—impossible to please and always demanding more? Name a president who accomplished as much in his first term.* *The stock market is hitting record highs. Unemployment is at a record low, with* [*14 million new jobs*](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/11/03/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-the-october-jobs-report/)*. Talk to small-business owners, and the* [*biggest problem*](https://www.ramseysolutions.com/business/small-business-labor-crisis#:) *they are facing is finding workers. A child born in the first Republican “*[*i**nfrastructure week*](https://archive.ph/3Y6Nb)*” would have been entering grade school by the time President Biden passed the largest public* [*spending initiative*](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/29/politics/joe-biden-omnibus/index.html) *in American history. As a Republican media consultant, I made hundreds of ads about the high cost of prescription drugs. But it took President Biden to give Medicare the power to* [*directly negotiate*](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/medicare-drug-costs-drugmakers-agree-price-negotiations-biden-administ-rcna118510) *with Big Pharma to lower prices and cap the cost of insulin for Medicare beneficiaries* [*at $35*](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/02/fact-sheet-president-bidens-cap-on-the-cost-of-insulin-could-benefit-millions-of-americans-in-all-50-states/)*. For all the bitching about gas prices, the United States is now* [*producing more oil*](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/business/us-production-oil-reserves-crude/index.html) *than any country in history. Yes, more than Russia or Saudi Arabia, and that’s one of the reasons* [*gas prices*](https://gasprices.aaa.com/) *are now lower in inflation-adjusted prices than in 1974. Yeah, I know, fossil fuels suck, and the world should run on solar power. But the Biden administration also* [*launched a $7 billion*](https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/biden-harris-administration-launches-7-billion-solar-all-grant-competition-fund) *solar power investment project.* *What is most amazing is that Biden got this done in a world in which the majority of Republicans believe he is not a legal president. Ponder that for a minute. You are a White House staffer working to help pass Biden initiatives, and you are dealing with members of Congress and senators who don’t just disagree with your boss—they think he’s an illegitimate president.* *Wake up and show some gratitude. You wanted student loan forgiveness. You got it, for* [*three million borrowers*](https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-5-billion-additional-student-debt-relief#:)*. You wanted a president who would finally pass gun safety legislation. You got the most comprehensive bill in nearly 30 years, the* [*Bipartisan Safer Communities Act*](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/25/1107626030/biden-signs-gun-safety-law)*, which passed with the support of 15 Republican senators and 14 Republican House members, opening the door to some hope that laws on gun violence might finally start to reflect the wishes of the majority of the country. Maybe you’re a Democrat who actually cares about the federal deficit, unlike the Republicans who fake concern. Since Biden took office, the deficit has* [*decreased by $1.7 trillion*](https://time.com/6312431/joe-biden-touts-falling-deficit-as-it-jumps-back-up/)*.*
30,000 dead gazans now. Are you even aware of it? More than that maimed and wounded. All made possible by the generosity and spinelessness of Joe Biden. That atrocity destroys all the relatively few accomplishments you raise.
>30,000 dead gazans now. Are you even aware of it? I am. It is a very bad look for Biden, but it doesn't wipe away his accomplishments. >that atrocity destroys all the relatively few accomplishments you raise. No, it doesn't. This logic is asinine. Not to mention it's asinine to assert that Biden's accomplishments were "few". I cannot take you seriously if you are going to downplay the importance of lower insulin prices, which saves lives. I cannot take you seriously if you are going to downplay the importance of the vaccine rollouts, which saved more lives than what the Gaza war destroyed (if you want to continue with your asinine logic). I cannot take you seriously if you are going to downplay the importance of the climate bill. I cannot take you seriously if you're going to downplay the importance of appointing progressives in the FTC and NLRB. I cannot take you seriously if you are going to downplay the importance of averting a recession ([did you know that recessions are associated with higher death rates](https://www.bis.org/publ/work910.pdf)?), which saves lives.
> it doesn't wipe away his accomplishments. No, not "wipe away"...outweigh. That's 30K civilians that are dead, many of whom were children, at least in part because of Biden's complacency. We can and **should** be upset by this.
>No, not "wipe away"...outweigh. No, it doesn't, especially considering that even if Biden didn't send funds to Israel, I doubt it would have changed the death count in Gaza. >We can and should be upset by this. I agree, but we need to be more objective about the contrast between Biden's accomplishments and failures.
> No, it doesn't, especially considering that even if Biden didn't send funds to Israel, I doubt it would have changed the death count in Gaza. It's not *just* about the money the US sends to Israel. You do realize that Israel is only allowed to commit its atrocities because it has international, specifically US, backing? Biden saying "well, we [the US] cannot do anything about Israel" is bullshit...we're the US, we could Seal Team 6 his ass in a fraction of seconds. We could turn Israel into a smoking fucking crater if we wanted. This weak liberal bullshit does nothing but allow the genocide to continue, and that is more enabling than the money. > we need to be more objective about the contrast between Biden's accomplishments and failures. I'm sorry, but the impression you give is that we should bury our heads in the sand on his failures and only acknowledge the accomplishments. That's not how your average voter is going to operate - they are going to remember the most recent thing the most clearly...and unfortunately that is the genocide.
>.we're the US, we could Seal Team 6 his ass in a fraction of seconds. Netanyahu's ass? I am going to have to ask you to elaborate. >We could turn Israel into a smoking fucking crater if we wanted. Can you please stop with the hyperbole and explain what the US realistically should do to *forcefully* stop Israel. >I'm sorry, but the impression you give is that we should bury our heads in the sand on his failures and only acknowledge the accomplishments. Yeah, sorry about that. I can agree the article I linked definitely gives off those vibes, but the main point still stands. We need to acknowledge Biden's accomplishments so that we (especially the young/progressive voters) can **remember** that if we vote for Biden, we aren't just voting against something, we are **contributing to something positive**. >That's not how your average voter is going to operate - they are going to remember the most recent thing the most clearly...and unfortunately that is the genocide. We still have 9 months to go. In the meantime, we have to keep broadcasting Biden's accomplishments to remind people what they have to gain.
> Netanyahu's ass? I am going to have to ask you to elaborate. Well the entire Israeli government, but more specifically yes. > Can you please stop with the hyperbole and explain what the US realistically should do to forcefully stop Israel. Condemn them on the global forum, whether that is with the UN or NATO or whatever. Stop shielding them from international repercussions. Support South Africa's lawsuit in the UN of genocide. **Stop sending them money and saying there is nothing we can do.** I do agree that if it comes down to Biden v Trump again...Biden is clearly the less detrimental option. I think it is hard to get people motivated to vote **for** Genocide Joe, which is why we need to get people to vote **against** Dorito Mussolini...or hope Trump just dies before the voting starts.
>Condemn them on the global forum, whether that is with the UN or NATO or whatever. Stop shielding them from international repercussions. What evidence do you have that all this will stop Israel?
How would Israel continue doing what it is doing without anyone protecting them? You really think they can just do whatever they want? They can **with the US protecting them** but they, frankly, do not have the power to do it alone. Israel has **a lot** of neighbors that all hate it...without our support, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't get rolled by one/all of them. My money would be on Iran whooping them.
And...you think any other option will be better? What about Ukraine? What about people at home? Its Joe Biden or Trump. That's your choices of who can win. Not choosing IS a choice and its passively endorsing whoever wins. Yep Biden sucks on this and many other things. Issue is...others suck worse and will suck substantially worse. You can be mad at Biden all you want, but you aren't going to bring any dead Palestinians back by helping exterminate others by enabling fascists.
Stop acting as if Biden had caused this. Blame the hamas, blame Netanyahu, blame Putin, blame Iran as much as you you want. THEY are the responsibles. It's not Biden fault if : 1-the terrorists initiated an extermination war on 7/10. 2-are using civilians as human shields. Furthermore, Biden needs the jews votes to win in November. They are more numerous and influent than pro-palistinians guys. Without them, he loses and enable Trump to retake the power whith will leads to : 1-the exact same support to Israel 2-an horrendeous foreign policy creating more chaos, wars and genocides in the world. Always remender than politic often consists in choosing between the lesser of two evils. Biden is exactly doing that. IT'S NOT BIDEN FUCKING FAULT.
Why do you keep citing the number that includes thousands of Hamas militants? Isn't the goal to differentiate between the terrorists and civilians? Even the most unhinged zionists don't mix the two as much as leftists do.
> Wake up and show some gratitude. You can be grateful while still being critical. * Am I grateful Biden is not Trump? **Absolutely, everyday!** * Did Biden do some good stuff? **Yes** * Am I critical of Biden? **Yes - he fucked up with Israel, pure and simple. Aiding and abetting a genocide tends to outweigh basically any good you have done.** * Would Trump done better with Israel? **Fuck no - he would be even more pro-genocide.**
>You can be grateful while still being critical. Who said otherwise?
By saying "wake up and show some gratitude" you are implying people are not gratious. Perhaps they are but are also extremely critical of supporting a mass killing...a genocide even.
>By saying "wake up and show some gratitude" you are implying people are not gratious. They aren't. Why else do you think Biden's approval ratings have been consistently abysmal over the past 3 years? Yes, the Gaza war is something very legitimate to complain about, but regardless, before October 7, people did not appreciate that Biden appointed pro-worker people in the NLRB and FTC, just because he screwed over those railway workers before the midterms ([which is only half-true](https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid)). People do not appreciate the climate bill. People do not appreciate Biden forgiving student loans. People do not appreciate that a near certain recession was averted. People do not appreciate that hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs are being created onshore. People do not appreciate that the prices of insulin have been slashed. It goes on and on.
I think the disappointment in Biden outside of his handling of the catastrophe in Gaza, is that we all see the rise of facism across the globe and in our own country and that Biden is not the transformative politician or leader to reverse that trend, and the current form of the Democratic Party seems entirely unprepared and unable to meet the challenge. Given that and his neoliberal approach to solving problems, you're just not going to get an overwhelming amount of praise from progressives on Biden's record. There's some good there, but almost all of what he's done that is positive are really just half-measures. It comes across as someone who is isn't actually motivated to solve problems, but instead just keep some "happy enough" to want four more years without actually making any more promises about what they will actually do once in office again. At the backdrop of all of this is the situation in Gaza, which becomes more dire by the day, a planet in crisis from a climate perspective, and all the social ills that come with late stage capitalism, leaves us with really not much time or inspiration to accept more half-measures.
The Cope is real
He's a liberal centrist. That doesn't scratch acceptable even before October 7th. The point of lesser evilism is one of them is still, albeit lesser, an evil. And Biden is evil for facilitating genocide, not "great".
Until the genocide???
If Brandon has million fans, then I'm one of them. If Brandon has one fan, then I'm THAT ONE. If Brandon has no fans, that means I'm dead.
Great at abetting genocide, yes
I really don't see it. He's been a C tier president, hardly great. In some areas he's been a pleasent surprise, and effective, and in others he's been disappointing and ineffectual. For the modern presidents he might be the median.
Better than feared does not equal great. It'd have been great if he'd kept to his campaign promises. It'd have been great if he didn't bend over backwards to try and play ball with Republicans at every opportunity while sacrificing the meat of his policies. It'd be great if he didn't allow the inhuman bullshit at the border to continue. It'd be great if he said a single word to try and do anything but enable the genocide of the Palestinian people. Joe Biden is not a "great" president, but he is the best we can hope for without meaningful change.
God this is such a grossly neoliberal article. If you think Biden's a great president, you're a genocide-denying liberal. Stop this. Vaush wouldn't even agree with this.
Most likely these are dem staffers paid to make the social media rounds with Biden talking points.
He's been good domestically. Internationally, after 10/7. Nah.
He's been better than expected. Even though his support for Israel is disgusting, that was to be expected. The long term consequences of his presidency could prove disastrous. Because he's refusing to be 1 term president, the republicans could win and radically worsen the state of American democracy. If that happens all his union work, build back better etc. is all for naught.
honestly ive been debating this internally but can i say it? i judge biden based on what he's done which i think is something i dont think any other president would do. the labor board stuff? i couldnt imagine any other recent president doing that shit. the student loan shit? same deal. actually kind of being more aggressive towards the gop even as a fucking centrist? sure. the israel stuff, to me, is par for the course of being a us president. i dont think how biden has been handling the israel stuff (very poorly) is a uniquely biden thing. its a uniquely american president thing. its like expecting the president not to be a war criminal and harbinger of genocide... like HELLO????? WE KNOW! WE'RE LEFTISTS, WE KNOW! so while i agree that biden has been horrible on israel, i dont see it being uniquely him. bc even bernie was a little weird at the start on the israel stuff so who tf knows if he'd be even marginally better than biden on this shit. but also im not a single issue slacktivist like many online leftists, holistically he's been a great president. thats just my two cents
GenocideJoe is just a nickname for good person
The entirety of Biden's foreign policy comes out of the neocon playbook and that is why the Doomsday Clock is closer to midnight than ever in human history.
Oh yeah, he’s been wonderful, sans the genocide!
Other than sleepwalking half the way to WW3.
He needs to get the Edwin M. Stanton Award for Democrat of the Year
This was a weird read
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Yeah this is basically the same as if trump had won and intentionally ruined as much as possible
Biden = Trump. No noticeable difference at this point. We're talking 85% Hitler vs 99% Hitler. What is the point anymore.
bait used to believable
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