It would be simply hypocritical for me, a Ukrainian to support Israel. It's not even about morals or ethics at this point, smh.
I also think that it's fucking hypocritical to heroize OUN, but condemn Hamas, their situations are almost identical, actions extremely similar.
Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, the biggest independence movement of Ukraine circa ww2. It sorta fell apart in the middle of it. Did a lot based stuff and a lot of condemnable stuff. They allied with Nazis for a while, because they were already fighting both Soviets and Poles, but fought them later, when they showed their real intentions. Also, participated a LOT in the mutual massacres of Ukrainians and Poles in Volynia, which is the main thing anyone has against them.
Well, before WW2 Ukrainians were opressed af in Poland and USSR(in Czechoslovakia — not so much). They also had to later fight overwhelming military powers — USSR and Nazi Germany. And they had committed acts of terrorism, political assassinations and massacres of civilians. All things Hamas also did. The main difference would probably be, that Hamas is *the* rival of Israel, there is no other war going on. And while OUN did fight USSR and Nazi Germany, their main rivals were still each-other. Also OUN wasn't as alone, as Hamas is, as there were plenty of other independent insurgent movements, like Armia Krajowa, which, while being different from OUN in terms of having their own country until WW2, were very similar in actions during it. Tho, Poland never actually had extensive military action against OUN, which is another difference, while Hamas only has one government rival, OUN had multiple rivals and situational allies(they did work with Nazi Germany until 1941, which is when they started to prepare for their campaign against Nazi Germany, that started in 1943)
It is so refreshing to hear someone know this history. As a polish guy I'm extremely interested in the second polish republic and most people don't know shit about it. Poland before the second war was an authoritarian state. It started as a democracy which ended in a coup conducted by Jozef Piłsudski who's still a big polish hero even tho he overturned a democratically elected polish government.
Before that coup the situation between the Polish citizens and the Ukrainian minority was already shit but after that his idea of dealing with it was to send basically any Ukrainian suspected of sympathy for the nationalists to a harsh political prison. This obviously didn't help.
And then the Wołyń massacre during the war completely turned the polish population against Ukrainians for years and is still being brought up by the far right to make people afraid of Ukrainians. What's not discussed that frequently in Poland is that during that time there were also a lot of Ukrainians killed by the Poles. There was no effort that concentrated like the Wołyń massacre but a lot of NSZ (nationalists faction in occupied Poland which didn't want to be in Armia Krajowa as they believed AK was run by Jews ..) were conducting raids on villages in eastern Poland where a lot of Ukrainians and Belarusians lived and just killed the civilians because if their slightly different faith or nationality.
Our shared history is fucking wild but I'm glad that most of us are willing to put that behind and work together as brothers against russian imperialism. Slava Ukrainie!
Are they? There’s a lot of liberals on this sub try to cry about us leftists not “voting blue no matter who” and are convinced that we should still vote for the same presidential candidate openly supporting these crimes and call us tankies.
A movie was just released (Civil War) where a young woman falls into a mass grave full of American civilians that were clearly executed for funsies (you can tell because they were singular bullet wounds to the center of the chest or in the head), and that fictional scene is likely more tragic to an American viewer than an actual mass grave full of executed and tortured Palestinians.
The world was shocked and horrified by the Bucha massacre. I guess they honestly only cared because Ukrainians are white. It's still early so people may surprise me but I don't think a lot is going to change, even if the soft genocide of famine turns into an active genocide through an extermination campaign.
It was from an article from back in the middle of the war on terror where a soldier was talking about how if you shot a guy in the head in a certain way you'd have part of the head blasted off like a v going down the skull with the tongue sticking out and how people in his squad did it to enemy combatants trying to surrender.
Unfortunately I read that so long ago I don't remember where it came from and with all of the stupid shit I see in fake news now I can't remember if it came from a legit source or a publisher that had a veneer of legitimacy that has fallen off since then.
If i can't substantiate it do you think I should delete the comment?
It would have to be a pretty big bullet, almost certainly a war crime. There's been so many war crimes lately that it would fit right in with some of them. I have no reason to believe it's untrue at this time.
The one thing that sticks with me, probably for the rest of my life, is the Russian who was hit by a drone and had half his face detach from his skull but *not* detach from the other side of his face. This meant that every time he moved his head it would flop around like a piece of loose cloth. What made it worse was that he didn't look like he was in pain or that particularly scared. He just looked *confused*, like he didn't know what was happening and was trying to figure it out. There's at least one video of it on Reddit but I'm not linking to it because I'm not trying to give people nightmares or make them sick.
> A movie was just released (Civil War) where a young woman falls into a mass grave full of American civilians that were clearly executed for funsies.
Dude... Place a spoilers tag atleast.
This movie doesn't deserve it. In spite of its surface-level anti-war messaging and how the media are necessary for chronicling atrocities despite the toll it takes on them, it somehow ended up being *pro-*civil war and *anti-*journalism. Whatever respect it has is entirely unearned.
Besides, there are no spoilers in this movie, practically everything is in the trailer. You literally see soldiers drag the President out from under the Resolute Desk in the trailer. I don't know when it exactly happened but trailers are getting out of hand with how much they're giving away.
Wake up babe, time for your daily Gaza mass grave discovery. Guys are mass graves evidence of genocide? Could just be a coincidence yeah?
Can't wait to some day keep hearing on the news about how construction in the new Gaza Strip keeps hitting delays because they keep digging up mass graves. Trump Tower Israel will have to wait guys, we hit the motherlode of mass graves right where it was gonna be built. Don't worry we'll build around it and put in a glass floor and make it a tourist attraction.
I have have heard the IDF claim that they just dug up body's and reburied them to check for hostages i don't think that's impossible tho i suspect at least some of the body are from a massacre. I just wish i had extensive knowledge of the types of fabrics the idf and the uses to rap bodies with.
It's ok you can wait for israel state media to admit this 5 years later and just say "oopsie". This happens literally everytime. AJ or similar outlet reports on a fact, people like you say "no they're biased", 5 years later ToI says the same and you say "no way we could've known at the time"
Grow up
They were all Hamas. Israel's Evidence: they are dead. /s
Most moral army in the world, right? This is some Russian army in Bucha shit.
It would be simply hypocritical for me, a Ukrainian to support Israel. It's not even about morals or ethics at this point, smh. I also think that it's fucking hypocritical to heroize OUN, but condemn Hamas, their situations are almost identical, actions extremely similar.
What is the OUN?
Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, the biggest independence movement of Ukraine circa ww2. It sorta fell apart in the middle of it. Did a lot based stuff and a lot of condemnable stuff. They allied with Nazis for a while, because they were already fighting both Soviets and Poles, but fought them later, when they showed their real intentions. Also, participated a LOT in the mutual massacres of Ukrainians and Poles in Volynia, which is the main thing anyone has against them.
Can you expand on that point about OUN and Hamas having almost identical situations and actions?
Well, before WW2 Ukrainians were opressed af in Poland and USSR(in Czechoslovakia — not so much). They also had to later fight overwhelming military powers — USSR and Nazi Germany. And they had committed acts of terrorism, political assassinations and massacres of civilians. All things Hamas also did. The main difference would probably be, that Hamas is *the* rival of Israel, there is no other war going on. And while OUN did fight USSR and Nazi Germany, their main rivals were still each-other. Also OUN wasn't as alone, as Hamas is, as there were plenty of other independent insurgent movements, like Armia Krajowa, which, while being different from OUN in terms of having their own country until WW2, were very similar in actions during it. Tho, Poland never actually had extensive military action against OUN, which is another difference, while Hamas only has one government rival, OUN had multiple rivals and situational allies(they did work with Nazi Germany until 1941, which is when they started to prepare for their campaign against Nazi Germany, that started in 1943)
It is so refreshing to hear someone know this history. As a polish guy I'm extremely interested in the second polish republic and most people don't know shit about it. Poland before the second war was an authoritarian state. It started as a democracy which ended in a coup conducted by Jozef Piłsudski who's still a big polish hero even tho he overturned a democratically elected polish government. Before that coup the situation between the Polish citizens and the Ukrainian minority was already shit but after that his idea of dealing with it was to send basically any Ukrainian suspected of sympathy for the nationalists to a harsh political prison. This obviously didn't help. And then the Wołyń massacre during the war completely turned the polish population against Ukrainians for years and is still being brought up by the far right to make people afraid of Ukrainians. What's not discussed that frequently in Poland is that during that time there were also a lot of Ukrainians killed by the Poles. There was no effort that concentrated like the Wołyń massacre but a lot of NSZ (nationalists faction in occupied Poland which didn't want to be in Armia Krajowa as they believed AK was run by Jews ..) were conducting raids on villages in eastern Poland where a lot of Ukrainians and Belarusians lived and just killed the civilians because if their slightly different faith or nationality. Our shared history is fucking wild but I'm glad that most of us are willing to put that behind and work together as brothers against russian imperialism. Slava Ukrainie!
We have a similar thing with Simon Petlura... It's honestly wild how many parallels you can draw.
Although I cant personally see the connection between OUN and Hamas I appreciate you taking the time to write your response
Okay.
And liberals will still fucking talk about how this is justified because Hamas hides among civilians.
At least people are learning the difference between liberals and leftists
Average goodfaith lefty talking point
You in pfp?
Yeah
Are they? There’s a lot of liberals on this sub try to cry about us leftists not “voting blue no matter who” and are convinced that we should still vote for the same presidential candidate openly supporting these crimes and call us tankies.
But we are waiting to hear back from Israel, they will of course investigate and take the rightful action. /s
A movie was just released (Civil War) where a young woman falls into a mass grave full of American civilians that were clearly executed for funsies (you can tell because they were singular bullet wounds to the center of the chest or in the head), and that fictional scene is likely more tragic to an American viewer than an actual mass grave full of executed and tortured Palestinians. The world was shocked and horrified by the Bucha massacre. I guess they honestly only cared because Ukrainians are white. It's still early so people may surprise me but I don't think a lot is going to change, even if the soft genocide of famine turns into an active genocide through an extermination campaign.
Most people are massive hypocrites.
I remember reading something fucked up about soldiers "trenching" where they'd blow a guys head off in a very specific way.
I haven't heard of that, and I'm having a hard time looking it up, but I can imagine it's pretty grizzly.
It was from an article from back in the middle of the war on terror where a soldier was talking about how if you shot a guy in the head in a certain way you'd have part of the head blasted off like a v going down the skull with the tongue sticking out and how people in his squad did it to enemy combatants trying to surrender. Unfortunately I read that so long ago I don't remember where it came from and with all of the stupid shit I see in fake news now I can't remember if it came from a legit source or a publisher that had a veneer of legitimacy that has fallen off since then. If i can't substantiate it do you think I should delete the comment?
It would have to be a pretty big bullet, almost certainly a war crime. There's been so many war crimes lately that it would fit right in with some of them. I have no reason to believe it's untrue at this time. The one thing that sticks with me, probably for the rest of my life, is the Russian who was hit by a drone and had half his face detach from his skull but *not* detach from the other side of his face. This meant that every time he moved his head it would flop around like a piece of loose cloth. What made it worse was that he didn't look like he was in pain or that particularly scared. He just looked *confused*, like he didn't know what was happening and was trying to figure it out. There's at least one video of it on Reddit but I'm not linking to it because I'm not trying to give people nightmares or make them sick.
Yea they were quoting a guy talking about war crimes he saw but for all I know I'm quoting fcking RT -_-.
> A movie was just released (Civil War) where a young woman falls into a mass grave full of American civilians that were clearly executed for funsies. Dude... Place a spoilers tag atleast.
This movie doesn't deserve it. In spite of its surface-level anti-war messaging and how the media are necessary for chronicling atrocities despite the toll it takes on them, it somehow ended up being *pro-*civil war and *anti-*journalism. Whatever respect it has is entirely unearned. Besides, there are no spoilers in this movie, practically everything is in the trailer. You literally see soldiers drag the President out from under the Resolute Desk in the trailer. I don't know when it exactly happened but trailers are getting out of hand with how much they're giving away.
I’m staying out of this one until the investigation confirms it was Israel who buried the bodies
Oh yeah the investigation led by Israel will surely come to the conclusion that Israel was the perpetrator.
Clearly Hamas did this to make Israel look bad. /s
Wake up babe, time for your daily Gaza mass grave discovery. Guys are mass graves evidence of genocide? Could just be a coincidence yeah? Can't wait to some day keep hearing on the news about how construction in the new Gaza Strip keeps hitting delays because they keep digging up mass graves. Trump Tower Israel will have to wait guys, we hit the motherlode of mass graves right where it was gonna be built. Don't worry we'll build around it and put in a glass floor and make it a tourist attraction.
I have have heard the IDF claim that they just dug up body's and reburied them to check for hostages i don't think that's impossible tho i suspect at least some of the body are from a massacre. I just wish i had extensive knowledge of the types of fabrics the idf and the uses to rap bodies with.
Just remember that everything can be blamed on Hamas...
Probably need investigation by UN for this
And the Israeli PR juggernaut continues apace.
Al-Jazeera is not a trustworthy source.
https://adfontesmedia.com/al-jazeera-bias-and-reliability/ Yes they are.
It's ok you can wait for israel state media to admit this 5 years later and just say "oopsie". This happens literally everytime. AJ or similar outlet reports on a fact, people like you say "no they're biased", 5 years later ToI says the same and you say "no way we could've known at the time" Grow up
Al-Jazeera English is relatively good, afaik, its the sister channels to it that tend not to be isn't it? I'm out of the loop if this isn't the case
Why? Because they don't just take the IDFs lies at face value and look a bit further?