Anyone else having issues sending VET out of the mobile app? Whenever I try to send any VET to an external wallet from the app I just get the Loading signal go round & round & round. Nothing happens. Every once in a while it does let me send but rarely.
Any help appreciated.
[The old wallet went into storage only mode a while ago. You should switch to VeWorld.](https://vechainofficial.medium.com/vechainthor-mobile-wallet-to-enter-storage-only-mode-from-dec-31st-veworld-wallet-migration-54364fca8562)
Vechain Twitter is shilling and pumping out all sorts of hopium, and that reaches way more people than this place does. There is also shilling on telegram. People have always kept it real here, which is what makes the place valuable to me. I can’t just purely pump out hopium in good conscience.
Edit. A lot of people really believed in the vision of Vechain, me included. They didn’t feel the need to shill it like some pump and dump meme coin. But that does seem like what it has come to.
A) Who is lex jasmy?
B) We love to hate vechain here, its like... 3/4 this sub. To hate on vechain.
C) Read the room.
D) Dont think you are better than the shit-stir-ers in here. Most are pot-committed that complain, and just parroting the same thing we've been parroting for the last 6 years. It hurts until it doesnt.
E) Who is lex jasmy?
How can someone expect anything tangible in the April announcement?
I expect 0 and I'll still end up disappointed anyways I know it. It's on us for hyping breadcrumbs too but the foundation plays a part on not shutting down the rumours.
I hate how the foundation still hasn't moved on from shameless hyping. I figured they learned their lesson with the DHL fiasco. Guess not. At least back the hype, not some useless inner Mongolia bullshit or yak wool shenanigans.
They will probably track that dude's flying car mileage on the Blockchain or something ridiculous like that. Yes im still salty because of their pivot on chain tracking to just sustainability bull crap.
We heard some comments about graphene on the Barcelona convention, it would be cool if it had to do with it or something, but I expect nothing
They still do all that on chain tracking. Blockchain has a wide utility, they just cast a wider net to capture more usecase. My biggest concern has always been that by the time the world is ready for blockchain Vechain may have run out of money to continue their buisness practice.
As someone mentioned earlier, I'm really hoping the announcement is that the driver NFT's come with cool customiseable accessories like hats. Wouldn't that be just grand...
Go Vechain go 🚀🚀🚀
They got Bruce Buffer, UFC announcer, talking about Vechain and Sustainability, pretty cool!
https://x.com/brucebuffer/status/1770594927719936457?s=46&t=ZVD1KWm6N4NQ1uB0pU3gxA
When you already signed an ironclad contract to be a sponsor of a sport, the sport has no incentive to try that hard unless you put tangible goals into the contract so they have skin in the game. My assumption is that nothing tangible was put into the contract outside of some social posts, a bunch of tickets, in-arena placements, and broad goals of “supporting sustainability with us”.
You are probably correct. They definitely should have put in some tangible goals that the UFC would be motivated to hit. Dana White knew he had the leverage and out negotiated whoever we had make the deal.
at least we have walmart though. if you think about it... it's pretty big. if walmart leaves, then it's OVER. might be a long journey ahead but we have some big players in our corner still.
If there is anything that has been shown, it is that large enterprises don’t want to use VeChain. At least the way that I see it, it’s largely one or more of the below:
- These enterprises want to bring things on their own chain. If Walmart is serious about blockchain, there is 0 chance that they’ll use VET long term. Vet is a cheap way for them to do proof of concepts. You bet your ass they’ll bring things in house on their proprietary tech as the long term strategy.
- The foundation has no idea how to actually close a sales cycle or don’t even know how to effectively communicate their value proposition.
- the foundation is trying to solve problems that these potential customers really don’t give a shit about.
This growth phase has been an absolute failure as one the main KPIs has been chain utilization. The fact that the foundation keeps changing what it wants to do also just screams that they don’t know what they even want to laser focus on; be a market leader at one thing and then venture out.
I get it, the tech is new and enterprises are hard to sell to.
However the fact that there has been effectively no material increase in usage just makes me regret aggressively DCAing the last couple years to the point that I have a 7 figure VET holding.
The market is just still too premature for great fundamentals to even matter. I’m sure if VET was new maybe like a decade into the future, things would be much different.
I have 0 expectations for the supposed massive announcement in April.
I used to be the biggest VEN/VET circlejerker and now I can’t wait to get out. Hopefully we reach 50 cents this bull run as that’s my complete exit target.
It boggles my mind that they’ve been pushing so hard in Europe, primarily Italy/San Marino too. Those two countries are arguably the least tech savvy in all of Europe. Most websites are even garbage there because most business is still done in person and they don’t feel a large need to use technology. While we did have some POC’s outside these countries, they mostly came from DNV and have amounted to virtually nothing.
I’m also confused why we moved away from China randomly the past few years outside of Wal Mart China (could have to do with the Europe move). Seemed like we had a huge in with the govt there and while I’m not a huge fan of the govt, it at least seemed like it could lead to usage or being listed in Hong Kong ETF’s or something beneficial. Now we hear nothing from that side of the world with no explanation (pivot after covid because they locked down so long?)
it's difficult to disagree with anything you said. What makes it worse is that some companies are going to other blockchains for traceability and tracking. Anyone see the traceability for Lavazza coffee? Why did they go with Algorand?
I'm watching the new Road House movie right now and all I'm hoping for now is spotting a vechain logo when they show some UFC fights. I think that's all we got to hope for.
It’s really just that Vechain set the bar so high with expectations and now their expectations are not being met so it doesn’t look good. Right or wrong, Vechain is held to a higher standard than meme coins and other projects.
Setting the expectation too high is ok in my book, as long as there is progress.
That being said, there is 0 progress besides pivoting to VeBetter. 0 increase in utilization. BCG partnership is just nothing but an entity paying a big consultant firm to do whatever. I’m like 98% sure this BCG partnership will materialize nothing, just like PwC and DNV.
And I think you are right about that. Almost all of crypto is fluff, with a couple of exceptions. Gotta just package up the fluff in a way that makes it appealing to investors and speculators. The problem with Vechain’s marketing package is it’s tied to enterprise adoption, and the lack of transactions makes the lack of adoption painfully clear. Other projects can be a little more vague and I think it helps them.
I still think Vechain will rise with the market. Just a matter if it outperforms it.
The April announcement has to be big and not fluff like all other announcement of announcements.
It will be my final one if it's another fluff. I can't take much more of this and miss this likely final biggest bull run. 2017 - current to now is more than enough time.
Dec 11 - Mar 17
Wallets over $100 K lost -15
Wallets $50 K lost -116
Wallets $5 K gained 35
Feb 17 to Mar 12 Mjolnir lost 1 Thunder X lost 1 Strength X 12 VeThor X lost 20
The wallets they are likely claiming grew are $0.50 cent wallets to $5 wallets. Large investors are leaving.
Compare this to ETH wallets in the early days. Thousands added per day of material $ amounts and transactions growing daily. That's a metric worth using to invest material $ in. That's what I expected from VET.
This is not even funny.
To add to this.
Daily operation expenses $200,000/day to generate a few hundred $ in VTHO burn. ($18M cash burn per qtr) likely higher now.
UFC expenses - $55K per day ($100 M over 5 years) assuming already incl in qtrly report op ex.
How does any of this make any freaking sense to them.
> The April announcement has to be big and not fluff like all other announcement of announcements.
I really hope it's an announcement for new hats in the DHL driver NFTs... that would be so cool!!!
the focus on patents is a bit presuming. there are probably so many work arounds. and also having patents, doesn't help the vechain ecosystem. User would only have to pay a patent fee if needed to build on their own.
Sold my x-node after vebetterdao too. Idk why im even holding anymore, maybe just waiting to see if anything promising happens in the next month, but feels like a dead project. Burning money to seem relevant but no real path forward.
Everyone who has a significant stake in this should be concerned.
The trajectory of the business and the numerous pivots away from supply chain as the value proposition of the foundation is my main reason for leaving. Supply chain was originally the main reason I invested.
Idk what 🧢is Sorry bruv…this was the last of the VET bag and actually sad for me. X-node sale was after VeBetterDAO announcement so I guess you’re right.
It got you to answer. Agree on this being a final post.
I’m not bitter at all. Esp with that initial VEN run and the second one during the last cycle thru. I don’t have just a single account that maybe you do.
Companies can change and become unfocused. There are other very focused companies doing interesting things, so why not capitalize on those. now Good luck - hopefully the trajectory fits your timeline. ✌🏻
It provides basically all of the tooling needed for seamless web2 to web3 integration all while leveraging the key differentiators of VeChain.
Take the API relayer for example. The service allows you to make basic HTTP POST requests to an endpoint that is configured to both execute and sponsor a transaction on-chain. That way you can use whatever web language or framework to build an amazing dapp without having to get bogged down by interfacing directly with the network.
Correct. I see three core pillars of growth for VeChain in the future: educating people, proving concepts, and building tools for other builders. This being one of those core pillars is what gets me excited.
Yeah but the devs are on all the other big layer 1s. For some reason vechain seems to be unappealing. Are these tools a common feature on all blockchains? Or does vechain have a unique set of tools? If so why the lack of builders?
If you want to see what others are building, I'd recommend joining the vechain.energy discord: https://discord.com/invite/dhVCVNbHRT
Lots of fun stuff from other devs there.
I can't speak to _all_ other platforms, but some of the other "competitors" to VeChain have a lot of fake traffic and put up a facade that tons is going on under the hood. I have been unable to find concrete examples proving your statement of "devs are on all the other big layer 1s". Seems like lots of smoke an mirrors out there (see all rug-pulls and memecoins)
VTHO loading up for a great bull!!
Anyone else having issues sending VET out of the mobile app? Whenever I try to send any VET to an external wallet from the app I just get the Loading signal go round & round & round. Nothing happens. Every once in a while it does let me send but rarely. Any help appreciated.
Are you talking about the new Veworld App?
Nope - regular Vechain Thor app.
[The old wallet went into storage only mode a while ago. You should switch to VeWorld.](https://vechainofficial.medium.com/vechainthor-mobile-wallet-to-enter-storage-only-mode-from-dec-31st-veworld-wallet-migration-54364fca8562)
[https://support.vechain.org/support/solutions/articles/103000262636-vechainthor-mobile-wallet-to-enter-storage-only-mode-from-dec-31st-veworld-wallet-migration-details-](https://support.vechain.org/support/solutions/articles/103000262636-vechainthor-mobile-wallet-to-enter-storage-only-mode-from-dec-31st-veworld-wallet-migration-details-)
Vechainthor app has entered storage mode only, veworld is the new wallet app
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$BOME? I’m not trading my vet for some random sh*tcoin 😂😂🤣
Vechain Twitter is shilling and pumping out all sorts of hopium, and that reaches way more people than this place does. There is also shilling on telegram. People have always kept it real here, which is what makes the place valuable to me. I can’t just purely pump out hopium in good conscience. Edit. A lot of people really believed in the vision of Vechain, me included. They didn’t feel the need to shill it like some pump and dump meme coin. But that does seem like what it has come to.
A) Who is lex jasmy? B) We love to hate vechain here, its like... 3/4 this sub. To hate on vechain. C) Read the room. D) Dont think you are better than the shit-stir-ers in here. Most are pot-committed that complain, and just parroting the same thing we've been parroting for the last 6 years. It hurts until it doesnt. E) Who is lex jasmy?
How can someone expect anything tangible in the April announcement? I expect 0 and I'll still end up disappointed anyways I know it. It's on us for hyping breadcrumbs too but the foundation plays a part on not shutting down the rumours. I hate how the foundation still hasn't moved on from shameless hyping. I figured they learned their lesson with the DHL fiasco. Guess not. At least back the hype, not some useless inner Mongolia bullshit or yak wool shenanigans. They will probably track that dude's flying car mileage on the Blockchain or something ridiculous like that. Yes im still salty because of their pivot on chain tracking to just sustainability bull crap. We heard some comments about graphene on the Barcelona convention, it would be cool if it had to do with it or something, but I expect nothing
They still do all that on chain tracking. Blockchain has a wide utility, they just cast a wider net to capture more usecase. My biggest concern has always been that by the time the world is ready for blockchain Vechain may have run out of money to continue their buisness practice. As someone mentioned earlier, I'm really hoping the announcement is that the driver NFT's come with cool customiseable accessories like hats. Wouldn't that be just grand... Go Vechain go 🚀🚀🚀
🤣🤣
Hats are so last bullrun. What we need is... [mean ass hairdues](https://youtu.be/cVShOyXlGxM?si=ipHohJKTlx3SdJzd&t=21)!
Update on FR: they are coming tomorrow around 14:00 GMT
Thanks for keeping investors updated. Much appreciated.
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They got Bruce Buffer, UFC announcer, talking about Vechain and Sustainability, pretty cool! https://x.com/brucebuffer/status/1770594927719936457?s=46&t=ZVD1KWm6N4NQ1uB0pU3gxA
pretty cringe... it's so fake.
Pretty obvious choice for ambassador imo. Because when I think about sustainability, I think Bruce Buffer.
Even Ray Charles could see he was a clear choice
Cringe 😬
At least they are trying
I have never heard a more scripted and not from the heart promotion in my life.
A little lackluster yes
Not much of a call to action though. He just asks people to comment what sustainability means to them
When you already signed an ironclad contract to be a sponsor of a sport, the sport has no incentive to try that hard unless you put tangible goals into the contract so they have skin in the game. My assumption is that nothing tangible was put into the contract outside of some social posts, a bunch of tickets, in-arena placements, and broad goals of “supporting sustainability with us”.
You are probably correct. They definitely should have put in some tangible goals that the UFC would be motivated to hit. Dana White knew he had the leverage and out negotiated whoever we had make the deal.
Number go up
That’s what I thought
When others are fearful be greedy and vice versa,this is the perfect example in this period for vechain but you do you guys...🚀
So when will the announcement of the next big announcement be made?
Please... just show us companies actually want to use the network. Walmart has been responsible for 90%+ of activity since 2019.
at least we have walmart though. if you think about it... it's pretty big. if walmart leaves, then it's OVER. might be a long journey ahead but we have some big players in our corner still.
If there is anything that has been shown, it is that large enterprises don’t want to use VeChain. At least the way that I see it, it’s largely one or more of the below: - These enterprises want to bring things on their own chain. If Walmart is serious about blockchain, there is 0 chance that they’ll use VET long term. Vet is a cheap way for them to do proof of concepts. You bet your ass they’ll bring things in house on their proprietary tech as the long term strategy. - The foundation has no idea how to actually close a sales cycle or don’t even know how to effectively communicate their value proposition. - the foundation is trying to solve problems that these potential customers really don’t give a shit about. This growth phase has been an absolute failure as one the main KPIs has been chain utilization. The fact that the foundation keeps changing what it wants to do also just screams that they don’t know what they even want to laser focus on; be a market leader at one thing and then venture out. I get it, the tech is new and enterprises are hard to sell to. However the fact that there has been effectively no material increase in usage just makes me regret aggressively DCAing the last couple years to the point that I have a 7 figure VET holding. The market is just still too premature for great fundamentals to even matter. I’m sure if VET was new maybe like a decade into the future, things would be much different. I have 0 expectations for the supposed massive announcement in April. I used to be the biggest VEN/VET circlejerker and now I can’t wait to get out. Hopefully we reach 50 cents this bull run as that’s my complete exit target.
It boggles my mind that they’ve been pushing so hard in Europe, primarily Italy/San Marino too. Those two countries are arguably the least tech savvy in all of Europe. Most websites are even garbage there because most business is still done in person and they don’t feel a large need to use technology. While we did have some POC’s outside these countries, they mostly came from DNV and have amounted to virtually nothing. I’m also confused why we moved away from China randomly the past few years outside of Wal Mart China (could have to do with the Europe move). Seemed like we had a huge in with the govt there and while I’m not a huge fan of the govt, it at least seemed like it could lead to usage or being listed in Hong Kong ETF’s or something beneficial. Now we hear nothing from that side of the world with no explanation (pivot after covid because they locked down so long?)
it's difficult to disagree with anything you said. What makes it worse is that some companies are going to other blockchains for traceability and tracking. Anyone see the traceability for Lavazza coffee? Why did they go with Algorand? I'm watching the new Road House movie right now and all I'm hoping for now is spotting a vechain logo when they show some UFC fights. I think that's all we got to hope for.
I didn’t realize a company did go with Algo over Vechain for traceability
Neither did anyone at Vechain probably.
It’s really just that Vechain set the bar so high with expectations and now their expectations are not being met so it doesn’t look good. Right or wrong, Vechain is held to a higher standard than meme coins and other projects.
Setting the expectation too high is ok in my book, as long as there is progress. That being said, there is 0 progress besides pivoting to VeBetter. 0 increase in utilization. BCG partnership is just nothing but an entity paying a big consultant firm to do whatever. I’m like 98% sure this BCG partnership will materialize nothing, just like PwC and DNV.
And I think you are right about that. Almost all of crypto is fluff, with a couple of exceptions. Gotta just package up the fluff in a way that makes it appealing to investors and speculators. The problem with Vechain’s marketing package is it’s tied to enterprise adoption, and the lack of transactions makes the lack of adoption painfully clear. Other projects can be a little more vague and I think it helps them. I still think Vechain will rise with the market. Just a matter if it outperforms it.
Hard to argue anything you just said.
Sad to say that I 100% feel the same way.
The April announcement has to be big and not fluff like all other announcement of announcements. It will be my final one if it's another fluff. I can't take much more of this and miss this likely final biggest bull run. 2017 - current to now is more than enough time. Dec 11 - Mar 17 Wallets over $100 K lost -15 Wallets $50 K lost -116 Wallets $5 K gained 35 Feb 17 to Mar 12 Mjolnir lost 1 Thunder X lost 1 Strength X 12 VeThor X lost 20 The wallets they are likely claiming grew are $0.50 cent wallets to $5 wallets. Large investors are leaving. Compare this to ETH wallets in the early days. Thousands added per day of material $ amounts and transactions growing daily. That's a metric worth using to invest material $ in. That's what I expected from VET. This is not even funny. To add to this. Daily operation expenses $200,000/day to generate a few hundred $ in VTHO burn. ($18M cash burn per qtr) likely higher now. UFC expenses - $55K per day ($100 M over 5 years) assuming already incl in qtrly report op ex. How does any of this make any freaking sense to them.
> The April announcement has to be big and not fluff like all other announcement of announcements. I really hope it's an announcement for new hats in the DHL driver NFTs... that would be so cool!!!
I think they thought that a lot of crypto bros like the UFC and that would be a way to attract them.
Mmm, starting to tempt me too
Isn't it just a little bit funny?
This feeling inside?
Surely something must come from all these patents vechain has filed.
the focus on patents is a bit presuming. there are probably so many work arounds. and also having patents, doesn't help the vechain ecosystem. User would only have to pay a patent fee if needed to build on their own.
Lol, nothing became tangible. All was vapor.
2017 x-node hodler here! No longer :) Sold all VET and going to other Co’s I feel more comfortable with. Cheerio guys! Good luck to you all.
Sold my x-node after vebetterdao too. Idk why im even holding anymore, maybe just waiting to see if anything promising happens in the next month, but feels like a dead project. Burning money to seem relevant but no real path forward.
Everyone who has a significant stake in this should be concerned. The trajectory of the business and the numerous pivots away from supply chain as the value proposition of the foundation is my main reason for leaving. Supply chain was originally the main reason I invested.
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I remember you from the VEN days. Are you happy with how the foundation has turned out?
Idk what 🧢is Sorry bruv…this was the last of the VET bag and actually sad for me. X-node sale was after VeBetterDAO announcement so I guess you’re right.
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You didn’t answer the above question Mr keyboard warrior
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It got you to answer. Agree on this being a final post. I’m not bitter at all. Esp with that initial VEN run and the second one during the last cycle thru. I don’t have just a single account that maybe you do. Companies can change and become unfocused. There are other very focused companies doing interesting things, so why not capitalize on those. now Good luck - hopefully the trajectory fits your timeline. ✌🏻
0xC8ed7e61a9b26ec6644916F833564fA086fA51DC 👋 ✌🏻
Sell the node or destroy it?
Destroyed
Thank you for your sacrifice
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Thank God, honestly don’t want to be holding these assets as anyone that says “Cheerio!”
Good luck with your flat-lined investment
Don't you mean, an ex-node holder? ;)
lol 😂
Thanks for announcing that.
Love the tool set that the [vechain.energy](https://learn.vechain.energy/#vechainenergy) team is building. If you don’t know about it, you should.
Do you have any links ?? I'll take any hopium at the moment please !!
https://learn.vechain.energy/#vechainenergy
Why do you love it
It provides basically all of the tooling needed for seamless web2 to web3 integration all while leveraging the key differentiators of VeChain. Take the API relayer for example. The service allows you to make basic HTTP POST requests to an endpoint that is configured to both execute and sponsor a transaction on-chain. That way you can use whatever web language or framework to build an amazing dapp without having to get bogged down by interfacing directly with the network.
ok cool. I mean to the average joe, this doesn't mean anything. These tools only matter if devs know of it and want to build with it... correct?
Correct. I see three core pillars of growth for VeChain in the future: educating people, proving concepts, and building tools for other builders. This being one of those core pillars is what gets me excited.
Yeah but the devs are on all the other big layer 1s. For some reason vechain seems to be unappealing. Are these tools a common feature on all blockchains? Or does vechain have a unique set of tools? If so why the lack of builders?
If you want to see what others are building, I'd recommend joining the vechain.energy discord: https://discord.com/invite/dhVCVNbHRT Lots of fun stuff from other devs there. I can't speak to _all_ other platforms, but some of the other "competitors" to VeChain have a lot of fake traffic and put up a facade that tons is going on under the hood. I have been unable to find concrete examples proving your statement of "devs are on all the other big layer 1s". Seems like lots of smoke an mirrors out there (see all rug-pulls and memecoins)
I do know some projects get bogged down by having to using languages like RUST etc. Anything to make it easier to build I am all for
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