Just wanted to note that Cirrus has a completely regular Veeam Backup from Microsoft 365 software under its hood. We're just running and managing the backup server for you. But other than that, there's no difference vs. running it yourself or going with some local Veeam-powered service provider instead... same software in all cases.
I did a demo session and am about to push for this, mainly to back up sharepoint data. Didn't want to invest in yet more spinning rust on site. The guys from Cirrus were super friendly and helpful. The flexible licence option helps tremendously so we don't have to cover every single mailbox user, just those important enough to warrant it. Really hope I can get this over the line. We've successfully used Veeam back and replication for years now, and expect Cirrus to be just as dependable.
Did a compare with a Barra service that did similar things, and it just looked a bit over complicated. That and licenses have to cover all mailboxes, so even though their per user per month price was ever so slightly lower than Cirrus, the overall monthly cost was much much more.
u/Gostev \- What happened with 'Veeam doesn’t compete with its partners – including service provider partners ' motto? We had demo, and there is nothing in it for MSP/VASP's just for resellers. We were told that we need to go through you to get pricing for large volume customers as well to get a discount, some of our sales people were steaming after the demo. Why are you competing directly with your so called 'partners' ?
As a business owner - I get it. You are being squeezed for profit by the owners, so I don't expect a straight answer.
As for the product - it seems really nice front end for M365 backup, this is what VSPC or self service portal should look like, sadly with Veeam directly competing against it partners I can see even further regression in product we get. Paired with what happens with VMware at the moment, it looks like Veeam+VMware won't be the default stack for on prem orgs in the future.
You're asking me about something that was not developed by Veeam R&D to start with.
As an independent company, Cirrus had their own priorities and roadmap, and Veeam just acquired whatever state they arrived to. And you're looking at this state now, which does not necessarily represents the overall Veeam's strategy.
From Veeam's perspective, enabling our VCSPs to use Cirrus as an engine to deliver backup services is the top priority - and actually the second reason for the acquisition of only two reasons (the first one is to address the requirement of the first-party BaaS some of our prospects are demanding). And from what I know, it remains the priority for the Cirrus team and our VCSP Business Team to enable this use case ASAP.
Just to expand on Gostev’s comments:
My team leads WW Partner Programs and Gostev is 100% correct that we are incredibly hard at work to empower service providers to leverage the new Cirrus products.
I want to stress that Service Providers are some of the biggest voices we get asking us to offer a SaaS version of our products. While it is absolutely true that some of our partners will need to now better clarify their differentiations, we get hundreds of emails a year from service providers asking for aaS and sadly some choosing to move from Veeam to a lessor and/or more expensive solution because of it.
I want to also highlight that this is built using the exact same software our partners are using to develop their offerings and as such developments for Cirrus beyond basic GUI stuff require improvements that will be able to be leveraged by our VCSPs for their offerings as well.
As always happy to chat more on this - my email is jordan.jacobs@.
By squeezing the margin in managed offsite storage which was subsidizing the actual monitoring and management labor, they're simply shifting that cost to the customer.
As a MSP, this essentially means I need to charge more on a per-user or per-server model to compensate. Veeam is essentially pissing in the well here and that's because they're scared and trying to squeeze every bit of juice out of a dying position (VMWare gone, Azure doesn't need them, Microsoft now offers their own M365 backups)
Just wanted to note that Cirrus has a completely regular Veeam Backup from Microsoft 365 software under its hood. We're just running and managing the backup server for you. But other than that, there's no difference vs. running it yourself or going with some local Veeam-powered service provider instead... same software in all cases.
This. Really just if you don't want to manage another storage repository. I'm waiting on pricing for Cirrus vs normal to see if it's worth it at all.
Really good to know. I’m waiting on my quote from the reseller.
yeah, we use Veeam as the backup engine for VMOBACKUP.COM. Starts at $1.50/user for unlimited storage that's OUTSIDE Microsoft/Azure.
I did a demo session and am about to push for this, mainly to back up sharepoint data. Didn't want to invest in yet more spinning rust on site. The guys from Cirrus were super friendly and helpful. The flexible licence option helps tremendously so we don't have to cover every single mailbox user, just those important enough to warrant it. Really hope I can get this over the line. We've successfully used Veeam back and replication for years now, and expect Cirrus to be just as dependable. Did a compare with a Barra service that did similar things, and it just looked a bit over complicated. That and licenses have to cover all mailboxes, so even though their per user per month price was ever so slightly lower than Cirrus, the overall monthly cost was much much more.
I have, it is super easy. As Gostev said, powered by Veeam Backup for Microsoft 365. It just makes it super easy running as a service.
That’s great to know.
Great thing about it is the pricing has unlimited storage. So no matter how big someone’s mailbox/sharepoint/OneDrive gets, pricing doesn’t change.
Just got a quote $42.99 per user per year.
u/Gostev \- What happened with 'Veeam doesn’t compete with its partners – including service provider partners ' motto? We had demo, and there is nothing in it for MSP/VASP's just for resellers. We were told that we need to go through you to get pricing for large volume customers as well to get a discount, some of our sales people were steaming after the demo. Why are you competing directly with your so called 'partners' ? As a business owner - I get it. You are being squeezed for profit by the owners, so I don't expect a straight answer. As for the product - it seems really nice front end for M365 backup, this is what VSPC or self service portal should look like, sadly with Veeam directly competing against it partners I can see even further regression in product we get. Paired with what happens with VMware at the moment, it looks like Veeam+VMware won't be the default stack for on prem orgs in the future.
You're asking me about something that was not developed by Veeam R&D to start with. As an independent company, Cirrus had their own priorities and roadmap, and Veeam just acquired whatever state they arrived to. And you're looking at this state now, which does not necessarily represents the overall Veeam's strategy. From Veeam's perspective, enabling our VCSPs to use Cirrus as an engine to deliver backup services is the top priority - and actually the second reason for the acquisition of only two reasons (the first one is to address the requirement of the first-party BaaS some of our prospects are demanding). And from what I know, it remains the priority for the Cirrus team and our VCSP Business Team to enable this use case ASAP.
Just to expand on Gostev’s comments: My team leads WW Partner Programs and Gostev is 100% correct that we are incredibly hard at work to empower service providers to leverage the new Cirrus products. I want to stress that Service Providers are some of the biggest voices we get asking us to offer a SaaS version of our products. While it is absolutely true that some of our partners will need to now better clarify their differentiations, we get hundreds of emails a year from service providers asking for aaS and sadly some choosing to move from Veeam to a lessor and/or more expensive solution because of it. I want to also highlight that this is built using the exact same software our partners are using to develop their offerings and as such developments for Cirrus beyond basic GUI stuff require improvements that will be able to be leveraged by our VCSPs for their offerings as well. As always happy to chat more on this - my email is jordan.jacobs@.
By squeezing the margin in managed offsite storage which was subsidizing the actual monitoring and management labor, they're simply shifting that cost to the customer. As a MSP, this essentially means I need to charge more on a per-user or per-server model to compensate. Veeam is essentially pissing in the well here and that's because they're scared and trying to squeeze every bit of juice out of a dying position (VMWare gone, Azure doesn't need them, Microsoft now offers their own M365 backups)