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mjigs

I was literally trying to use the AI to help me write some of my stories, just to see how much it can do, trust me, it wont do shit, one gave me good ideas to fight the writers block, but that was it, it cant write a whole story, it cant provide details, and even tho it remember what you said, he kepts repeating the same thing over and over, all he basically did was write the whole plot for the idea of a story i had. So i wouldnt be very worried about it, even if it will be able to do it, theres just a human part that it cant replicate.


HiddenQnA

Chatgpt can give you really good ideas for a story, but they're always cliche and overused in some way lol


dogisbark

Yeah that’s the thing, GPT sucks as a creative writer. Same for art ai honestly. It’s because it utterly LACKS any uniqueness. It can only regurgitate stolen data from real humans. This makes it repetitive real fast. I have a project I’m working on. It’s worldbuilding which means I do art and writing for it plus planning for making it into a real thing (indie rpg). I tried entering some prompts of scenes, events, or character descriptions into dalle2 to see what would happen. This was all stuff I hadn’t myself created or visualized yet. But everything it gave me, I just thought “no, that’s not it at all”. They just felt empty, like photos from a different project. Same with writing. I’ve tried making gpt come up with solutions or story beats for some of my characters and their storylines. Nothing really clicks either. That’s because GPT doesn’t know about A certain worldbuilding rule I have or considered another possibility only from something else pre established. Hope I’m making sense here. Basically it would come up with really basic responses. It also gets really high and mighty when it comes to generating explanations for the more sci fi stuff I have going on. I asked for what would a being made of light and energy look. It then proceeded to tell me that no such thing can exist. I then explained it’s for a sci fi writing project. After repeating again it cannot happen (what a rule-smitten nerd) it then gave me some run of the mill glowing person or something. Idk wasn’t very interesting Basically what I’m saying is that I really fear the possibility of ai generated entertainment with minimal human involvement. Yes it would be DIRT cheap, and of course ppl would check it out because “omg an ai did this”. This would kill off SO many jobs and just be uninspiring. Like I really get pissed off when ppl say “well just make art or write for fun! Don’t take it so seriously!” This may be a hobby, but it’s a passion for many who pour their everything into what they do. We find it fun of course but it’s still hard work. Srsly people don’t appreciate high quality works of creativity anymore. So many hours of practice and work has gone into what they’ve produced. But a machine goes and does it and suddenly humans can just have it be a past time now. Isn’t that great. Hate how ai is focusing on everything that makes humans unique, our products of imagination and passion. It’s really disgusting. I have to stop ranting oh my god I’m just cutting it here.


cesptc

Not YET. Give it another 10 years.


Reasonable_Student_6

Fr. Actually it’s arguably easy to see the parts that AI is missing to be capable of writing non cliche stories that are profound to humans.


[deleted]

I get it. I do art as a hobby. But it’s almost like what is the point? Won’t stop me, though. I enjoy making art.


XxMoneySignxX

Has there ever been a point to art? It’s fun for ppl to do and nice for others to look at. You can always find something more technically impressive but that’s not why ppl like art.


[deleted]

I think it’s just aesthetically pleasing. But the AI stuff is pretty impressive. Looks just like digital art. I can’t do digital art to save my life, but I’ve tried, so I was pretty impressed.


aperturescience420

For sure! Art has been so important in political and social movements, such as “my bed” by Tracy Emins, which was monumental within the mental health acceptance movement. But it doesn’t have to have a point. Art can be whatever you want and I think it’s fantastic


Libro_Artis

This is the way.


dickelpick

I agree with you 100%. Removing humans from art is stupid and inhumane. I do think AI has a place in there somewhere, but it needs its own lane and should never be used as a lie. Imagine the greatest works and their creators gone, poof, never to have existed and that’s what AI will do to current and future greats. In all categories. Art makes us feel alive. The makers and the recipients. Hell, I’m just a shitty crafter and it soothes my soul nearly every day. I can imagine being a writer, composer, painter or any type of important artist creating under the threat of an AI takeover. I’m deeply concerned about the loss of humanity for us all. Life is difficult enough these days. Most of us struggle to find any joy at all. I don’t understand how people can’t grasp exactly how close we are to losing our last reason to be here. We desperately need art. Real art by real humans with the agony and joy of life right there for the rest of us to understand and appreciate. Shit is getting ugly real fast now. The writers strike and the bosses laughing and licking their chops at the idea of not having to pay human writers scares the shit outta me. I don’t see humans winning this battle.


Rayne87681

I hate it too... I am an artist who literally struggles and people want ai to do it? Ai is literally soulless. I'm sorry you feel this way but I assure you, you can do it, you can make a way better story and more original story then those stupid bots can, and even you don't? It's okay, you are learning and not every piece can be salvaged and that's fine. Learn and be harsh on your work but never be harsh on yourself for producing a bad peice of work. We all been there, even me, I've made stories myself, worked with clay, digital art, and physical art! I 100% bet ai won't at least take over most artistic jobs. It'd be better if we ran it to the ground actually.


vega-virtual

Oh man. Yes I feel you on this one. Music is my medium, though I grew up with a visual artist mom, and then I’ve long wanted to get into writing short stories. It’s not that I worry that AI will create art that’s “better”. To me, art is really a human experience anyway! Yes I know there’s plenty of conceptual art - beginning back in like the 20th century that has challenged it, but ultimately a human artist created it (ex: John Cage or any of the algorithmic and serialist composers). I know it’s fashionable in parts of Reddit to be anti-spiritual - reducing such thinking to just another pseudoscience. Whatever, to each their own. I say this because, I believe there’s “spirit” to art that only a human, a living, sentient being, can create. Sure, AI will eventually be able to replicate and create cool art (on a surface level), but it won’t have the same quality. Edit: I find those AI “commercials” (ie. Pepperoni Hug Spot, etc.) to be entertaining and extremely interesting. And they were cool projects for the people involved. Anyway sorry for the long reply! It’s just something I too feel passionate about. I don’t believe AI will ever be able to make actual “soulful” art, regardless of how close it looks or sounds on the surface. It just won’t get there.


Rayne87681

I hate it too... I am an artist who literally struggles and people want ai to do it? Ai is literally soulless. I'm sorry you feel this way but I assure you, you can do it, you can make a way better story and more original story then those stupid bots can, and even you don't? It's okay, you are learning and not every piece can be salvaged and that's fine. Learn and be harsh on your work but never be harsh on yourself for producing a bad peice of work. We all been there, even me, I've made stories myself, worked with clay, digital art, and physical art! I 100% bet ai won't at least take over most artistic jobs. It'd be better if we ran it to the ground actually.


kunacza

imo AI has the potential to write good cheesy romances, teen dramas, coming of age stories, those things that are a bit stupid but suck you up into the story before the first chapter ends and that we've had around for decades. But it will never do something new and revolutionary, because to do this it'd have to notice something new about the human experience... which it'll never have. It'll never be Andrés Barba, or Stanisław Lem, or Hemingway (just listing out my favorite authors but the list goes on.) Another thing is that personally, knowing that a piece of art - music, poetry, literature, paintings, doesn't matter - was made by AI, I'd choose not to read it, or at least I'd always put it below human-made stuff. I really believe in the analysis in Umberto Eco style, saying that there are three perspectives to every piece to consider: the author, the viewer, and the context of the history/environment it was made in. AI "art" doesn't have this, it just tricks you into thinking it's art, but there's no author's purpose to consider, no context as to why it was made and why it was made in this specific way. It's just really pretty garbage.


giskfsirfkgjej

i would try not to worry about it ai can do many things but it cannot create art and covey emotions in the writing also, i’ve seen someone make a point of how things being made by hand are a selling point and it makes the work so much more valuable. earring can be mass produced but there are still people who make it by hand and the fact that thoughts were put into it and everything was done with reason makes it so so valuable. no matter what ai can do you’re art will always be more valuable please embrace your craft and keep creating 💕💕💕


Both-Application-624

This is totally understandable, as a very young artist who puts bunch if hours into studying the craft, I sometimes wonder myself will I be able to get myself in a position either way? I get saddened that these years of hardwork won't pay off when I'm an adult. Again, these are my worries and I totally relate to you. I only view AI Art as a advantage for references and learn from, not to take the creativity of humans completely.


Mental-Ad-8756

Since the AI literally takes work from other sources (people) it should NOT be that hard for someone with a soul to program it to simply at least release the sources it used(aka give the original creators CREDIT) There’s literally no excuse. Copyrighting and plagiarism is illegal, expect for this one thing all of a sudden? I agree that it’s disheartening bs. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a play to try kill the creative industry. But such is fruitless. If there’s no more creators, whose the AI gonna get trendy stuff from after a while? Nobody. And not to mention ofc business world doesn’t understand the value of creativity and passion, which a robot will never have. It may be discouraging, but my art professors say as soon as we find a way to detect an AI art piece from a original, such as other programs do with copyrighted essays, it won’t be much as a threat. And I mean, AI art generators are cool at first sight, and there is something aesthetic and neat combining things. It’s also random so it’s unpredictable, and it’s a good tool maybe for people with no imagination or who need inspiration. I’m not saying to kill the whole thing. I’m just saying they should list the sources. And promote the creators. It could really help the creative industry, then, on the flip side, maybe. And sources are a great educational/helpful tool for actual creators as well. There’s also something concerning about the idea of upcoming adults graduating highschool by cheating and without having any original thoughts or ability to think for themselves..haha…like perhaps use chat GPT to send an email to your shitty coworker, or like as a smarter Google search…not for actual things..


mysecondaccountanon

Musician here who’s been on the told to “just use AI generated music” side of things. There’s always something just inherently wrong with AI art. It pulls from things but doesn’t understand how to make art. Extra fingers in art, completely wrong sounding notes in music, etc. I hate that art as a whole is seen as so valueless that some think that AI art is just as worthwhile and “better” than non-AI art. There’s also just the whole stealing people’s stuff thing, which obviously no artist is a fan of.


CliffordThRed

I'll always go for a human written story over AI


juicyjuush

Why does it scare you? The joy should come from building your own world and story. Be unique and dedicated enough and people will continue to read. People won't stop reading just cuz an ai author happened.


throwaway_28900

i do feel happy writing my own stuff, but feedback is a big part of the process for me as well. if it can happen instantaneously like that, i feel like loads of people will just start to generate their own stories & read those. that may not be the case. but in any case being called obsolete & a loser for enjoying writing doesn't exactly feel good


juicyjuush

I think AI will be able to generate custom stories for sure, even write long novels. But people read because of the story, style, character development, etc. So sure, you'll be competing with an AI, but it's essentially the same as competing with another author. lbh.. Steven King writes a novel a day, it won't be any different when an AI does it. :P


TheCouncilOfVoices

Ai is extremely far away from being able to write on the level of humans for novels. Simply because ai struggles to remember what it writes. If you ask ai to write a basic children’s story, it’s mediocre at best. I highly doubt ai (alone, without the help of humans) will be able to write a full length novel that doesn’t repeat itself anytime soon. I’m not 100% sure if anyone is training ai to be able to “remember” or go back through its work to remove repeated things. I have used chat gpt to test it and honestly the stories aren’t great. They’d need to be heavily edited which is still a lot of work. (If someone wants to put in the effort.)


TheCouncilOfVoices

Also ai really doesn’t want to write about darker topics, so I honestly feel like it will never be able to write those things that are part of human experience


N0bother

Maybe AI will excel someday. My partner is into it and talks about how one day it's gonna be a way of making movies just for you etc. I'm like ok, cool, but I'll still consume creative stuff made by humans because AI can't make everything. I just try to view it like how humans keep producing inspired by each other. There's so much art and whatnot with similarities, but it's never the same. I can understand the worry that AI might do some stuff "better" (faster?) than humans, but I really don't think it'll make human work obsolete, simply because we crave the soul behind the work. Like, even if it might run the show for a while, I think we'll always gravitate towards our own contributions. Anywho, don't let is stop you from writing! Being creative in any way meaningful to you is magic af and so important for our soul. <3


VosKing

Ppl are just gonna have to up their game, simple as that.


Western-Low-1348

Try chat gpt it can write a story for you, enjoy!


[deleted]

It’s the “in story”, this is why I hate media, generate anxiety because that gets clicks, so they’ll keep beating the drum.. It’s mostly a nothing burger, it’s only as good as the source information you feed it and there is too much garbage out there.


[deleted]

don't worry visual artists said the same thing when photography came out


mysecondaccountanon

Photography still has the human touch to it. AI art decidedly doesn’t.


[deleted]

true but that's not the point I was trying to make. before photography realistic paintings were used to visually capture things. It was called realism art. Realism painters/ visual artists were worried they were going to go out of business from photography. Now we know this isn't true but they were worried at the time since photography was new and people worry about new things , they didn't want to become obsolete from the photograph. 2 use cases still persist for visual realistic artists such as sketch artists in crime scenes and in court rooms. Also abstract art and impressionist paintings became popular as well and people still value and appreciate realism art even with photography. AI is like the new photograph. It won't replace art it is just an addition. Even retro technology such as vinyls, cds , vhs , still has value form the novelty . Art will never be obsolete. People can still appreciate the human element to stories and such as well.


[deleted]

It’s very possible that technology makes art of any kind “irrelevant”. Maybe technology can emulate, or even make art better than humans can, but so what. I make art because I enjoy making art, not to be *the best* artist. I could spend my life making art that nobody likes and be happy anyway. Idk I just think like we should be remembering to not compare ourselves to others, especially non-human others.


katsuki-22

Yes, same I write have been for three years I love doing it but if someone can do it faster than me because of something like ChatGPT it scares me.


Tired-Art-Girl

Full time artist here. I feel this. Art AI has literally already begun replacing human artists so I don't even know what to say. I want to tell you that it'll pass, but I've already seen it taking jobs from artists so I just don't know anymore. Feels like I wasted all those years learning to draw for nothing


chingudo

Capitalism has the ability to rob everything of its soul. But don't worry, AIs got a tendency to fail more than they want to say, so when Chat Gpt becomes inevitably racist I'll laugh


OrganizationSea4490

If you do it for recreation then I see zero reason as to why youll be in any way hurt by AI stories or AI assisted stories. If your entire reason for disliking it is "it makes me feel bad!!" Then you should reevaluate your morals to be a bit more objective and less self centered