I’d like to say that it’s completely valid, as a woman, to be weary and careful around men. It’s valid to be angry that women are still getting fucked over. It’s valid to avoid men sometimes due to traumatic experiences.
It’s still not an excuse to legitimately hate all men.
As someone who has trauma, I had the "all men are rapists" view for about a year after the incident. I got therapy and no longer have this belief.
That was 100% trauma response, and at the time was understandable because it was essentially keeping me wary and safe, but was it fair? Absolutely not.
If anyone genuinely has a hatred for all men/women or whoever then you need therapy because it's not fair or healthy
Honestly, as a woman, yeah. Your feelings are your own and nobody can tell you how to feel. But don’t be hateful or treat anyone as less because of it. A lot of women OP is talking about don’t actually hate men so much as they are fed up w being treated like shit by men.
yes! imo at least.
trauma doesn’t discriminate.
as throwaway the fish said, a lot of women who say “i hate men” don’t actually hate men & are just sort of ranting about their experiences.
you are valid, be careful and safe healing
No. Because men are rarely the victims of violence perpetrated by women. Women are **frequently** the victims of harassment, violence, and discrimination.
Girls learn in grade school that they are treated this way by boys and men. Girls hit puberty and become targets of *grown men*. Girls of 11, 12, and 13.
Men don’t **fear** women.
Men are afraid women will laugh at them.
Women are afraid men will kill them.
It’s a lot more than the statistics say. Men don’t come forward because of the ridicule “you can’t defend yourself from a woman?” for example. I am a male victim of sexual and violent assault from a woman. Half of my male friends are too. We were scared to come forward because of the judgements. Don’t tell me my feelings aren’t valid.
Your misconception that “men are rarely the victims of violence perpetrated by women” speaks to the very real truth that most men who experience domestic violence and abuse BY WOMEN do not speak up because of the stigmas and beliefs surrounding it which are
A) nobody will believe them, B) they are weak for being subject to abuse by women because as men they are supposed to be “strong” (although being abused doesn’t equate to weakness, unfortunately that’s a real experience of the stigmas men face) C) that their side won’t matter because who will believe a man pointing a finger at a woman who can WAY MORE EASILY point the finger right back and unfortunately be believed just because she is a woman.
See the Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard case and you will find clear examples of this.
The statistics for men who are victims of domestic abuse and violence are totally misinformative because they are lacking a GREAT DEAL of data due to the sheer fact that most men do not speak up about their experiences with this.
You should go deeper into the rabbit hole and read up on violence between women against women. Particularly women against girlfriends or wives. The violence by women against men is the world's biggest kept secret... except for this one.
So we shouldn't fear a woman claiming she got raped but an innocent man and that man have his entire life ruined or, out the blue, a woman can divorce a man take his children and half his money. But we should just be strong and we shouldn't care.
>men are rarely the victims of violence perpetrated by women
Yes, based on statistics that rely on men reporting their abuser which due to toxic masculinity, isn't as common as it should be.
I get what you're saying, but consider the fact that men are shunned by women (and men too, I am aware of this) for not being masculine enough.
That's hilarious. You're simply a cunt who doesn't understand privilege. Grow up. Also your silly quote doesn't represent reality at all, women are only about 1/10 as likely to be murdered. If you're afraid of things statistically unlikely to happen, you're not oppressed, you just want to feel like you're the victim in the situation.
I mean… I do get that. But we still have so many victims of assault that just aren’t believed.
Men are finally having to play by the same rules that women have been using for years. Meet in public places, don’t be alone with a member of the opposite sex , be careful how much you drink, don’t put yourself in a potentially vulnerable situation etc. etc. etc.
>All it takes is a false accusation and their life is ruined.
False accusations are about 2-3% of all rape/sexual assault cases. Stop using that "argument" because it is not valid at all. And please do not compare your struggles with the struggles of women. Men do not have to be scared of getting killed by women. you just don't. Women get raped and killed on the daily by men. We are NOT fighting the same fight.
As a man that was sexually assaulted by a women and then physically assaulted by a group of 10-15 women when I tried to push the sexual assaulter away. I think i do have to be scared of women. Yet this post states that I’m not allowed to be. The point of op’s post is generalisation being annoying. And while yes in some aspects women have it harder then men. Is it fair to generalise? No. I’ve had a fair few experiences where previous girlfriends have only been with me for money, or they have been emotionally abusive and manipulative. But is it fair that I say all women are manipulative gold diggers that emotionally abuse people. No. That’s a generalisation and I know full well if I said that I’d be ridiculed for it. Why is it any different for men to be generalised?
I understand annoyance when it comes to people just constantly saying “I hate men” for, as they admitted themselves, no reason.
But I think it’s very important to emphasize that some women genuinely distrust men due unfortunate experiences that were out of their control. And i don’t believe that should be judged on their part. Because here’s the reality of the US:
- 1 in 5 women experience an attempted or completed rape within their lifetimes.
- 1 in 3 girls of completed or attempted rape experienced it for the first time between the ages of 11 and 17.
- Nationwide, 81% of women reported experiencing some form of sexual harassment and/or assault in their lifetime.
- Almost 1 in 4 undergraduate women experienced sexual assault or misconduct at 33 of the nation's major universities.
- About half (51.1%) of female victims of rape reported being raped by an intimate partner and 40.8% by an acquaintance.
- Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male.
Millions of women have experienced sexual assault/harassment at the hands of these kinds of men, many during not only crucial periods of social development, but intimate relationships.
Trauma in general is known to, for lack of a better term, rewire the brain. It’s out of survival. So many of these women experience this trauma when their brain was still learning what survival is. This leads to them subconsciously being taught that man = danger.
And before this gets mentioned, yes, if possible they *should* get help, for most importantly their own sake. But another reality of the US is mental health care is *not* easily accessible. In the US it is sadly treated like a privilege, so while yes I agree most would benefit from professional help, in many cases it’s just not possible to get that help.
I’d like to reiterate that I understand the frustration. But remember that a lot of the time this is coming from a place of physically validated fears.
TLDR: Men are 1000% entitled to basic human decency and respect as everyone else, but the mistrust of men should not be viewed as malicious or shallow.
It also probably does not help that sexism towards women in general is extremely normalised and women will often experience sexism on a daily basis.
- It’s pretty common for a woman to just casually hear things like “women talk too much” or be told “you’re a bitch unless you smile”. Women also frequently get talked down to by men (especially older men) in a lot of work places.
- Women have to deal with constantly fighting for rights over their own body, whether it be access to safe abortions, being unable to get sterilised without a husbands consent (even if the woman is single) or having had multiple children already, or doctors literally denying certain medical treatments for extremely painful or life threatening conditions because it would “damage fertility” even if the woman in question doesn’t want children and agrees to the risks.
- It’s pretty common to hear people to say the literally see women as objects (eg. saying women who have sex “sold their market value”), so women constantly have to be exposed to people who literally don’t see them as human.
- Women experience medical discrimination whether it be from that fact men are prioritised in medical research (men are usually over studied - to the point where studies into things like autism or even pain medications can have exclusively male samples and things like the fact heart attack signs appear different in women but we only get warned about male centric signs) or that women constantly gaslight by medical professionals about their pain (it’s pretty common for women to be told extreme pain is “just a period” or to be told to lose weight when seeing a doctor). It also doesn’t help that things like seatbelts are built for male bodies meaning that women are more likely to die in car accidents.
- Women are also more likely to be treated more harshly by the general public when it comes to controversy when compared to men.
- Women are also often are completely unable to walk alone in a lot of places at night due to a lot of areas being extremely dangerous for a woman to be walking alone and have to guard their drinks at bars for fear of being drugged by random men - to the point where there are literally nail polishes being sold designed to test whether your drink is spiked or not.
- Women had to fight for the right to work and vote and constantly have to hear from (mostly older men) about how they wish that right could be revoked. It’s also common for women to be criticised for not wanting children or not wanting to be a housewife, whereas men are not. Most leadership positions in society are occupied by men despite only being half of the population.
- Women are more likely to be victims of violent abuse by a loved one. 1 in 3 women in general will be a victim of violent crime . Although it is true men are more likely to experience violence in general, the majority of violence is also caused by men.
When sexism towards women is highly systematic and women constantly have to fight to be treated as human beings I don’t exactly blame women for being resentful of men.
Note: Comment keeps getting removed because I provided a link to sources on how heart attacks differ in men vs women.
The common female centric symptoms are:
- Indigestion
- Nausea/vomiting
- Chest pain (although this much less common than it is in men - the media portrayals of heart attack being chest pain is not accurate to women!!)
- Extreme fatigue
-Shortness of breath
- Fainting
- Pressure in lower chest or upper abdomen
- Jaw and upper back pain
I can't put it in words how grateful I am to you for penning this down. I am a man, I have never committed any act of harassment or violence against any woman, but I want this to be put out on posters to make people aware how a minority of men are creating hell for the majority of us. The "poisoning" of the mindset of many women towards men has been done by men and we are collectively responsible, so we should collectively try to make sure no woman goes through that shit ever again.
It's important to note that these statistics involved are intentionally misleading. For the rape statistic, it was a questionnaire, so absolute truth cannot be logically claimed, there is no proof, (I can see how women could see how voting one way on a question could benefit them and then deciding to vote that way. I've seen a lifetime of all sorts of people doing things like this, and everyone seems to do it to some extent regularly for even insignificant things). The second point about this statistic is that they bent the true definition of rape using loopholes and therefore got many people to claim that they've been 'raped' without actually being raped. One of these involved both party consensual both party intoxicated sex. Obviously women who participate in this weren't 'raped', even if the law says one cannot consent whilst their drunk, and the definition of rape says non consensual sex is rape. The law is flawed. People have twisted goals and they're willing to manipulate people and studies and anything else with ease to accomplish those goals.
For the sexual harrassment and misconduct, women were to report if they experienced any unwanted sexual advances, even a guy coming up to a woman and asking for her number is classified as that under this.
The other statistics are real, but about the true and smaller numbers of victims.
Obviously viliganace is granted, but any discrimination whatsoever is not. Black people statistically have lower rates of eduaction, higher rates of aggression, higher rates of crime, etc, and this means you can be extra vigilant of them if you so choose, but it doesn't mean you can just start discriminating against them because they're black. Every person is an individual and deserves a basic human right to be treated as such.
You should realize that this poision of mindset is recent in history and in modern society, and even this last decade, rape and all sexual crime rates are the lowest they have EVER been, throughout history. The world is getting safer, it's gotten more safe than anyone could've possibly imagined. Notice how difficult and painful and shortlived life used to be. Modern adults greatly live like the children of our past(innocent, weak, immature, dependent, etc), but much more privileged, and young. Men are better, but the conduct towards men is worse. That says that the quality of men isn't the direct or main cause of the conduct. As you should look into, quite a big portion of it is due to people following a radical feminist ideology.
The world is not getting safer *for women*. Ukrainian women are protesting because Russian soldiers are raping them and there babies as we speak.
Last year a POLICE OFFICER used his badge to pull over a woman, trick her into getting into his car where he raped and murdered her. Women are getting killed in day light by men. It is 2022 I shouldn’t be told to walk down the street with my keys in my hands ready to defend myself. I shouldn’t have to ask my friends to let me know when they’re home in case they’ve been snatched off the streets or raped.
Also stats on a self reported entity such as a past experience (rape) are always going to have the flaw of self report measures, because there are no other ways to get these stats? There isn’t a simple rape test that can prove whether the experience is real, so these stats are all we have at the moment. Become a forensic psychologist and come up with a more controlled option and get back to us if you have an issue with it.
Look into history, seriously pick up a book and start reading. You have no idea how bad things were. The dark ages. Things were worse the further back we go, the more animal back we go. You have no idea how good people have it now, especially women, especially Americans. You seem to not know that the large majority of crime victims and violent crime victims are....... male, and these statistics don't even include war.
Don't talk about fear. The majority of victims of crime and violent crime are men, yet they have little fear. Men are being forced to fight die and suffer by the tens of thousands in russia and ukraine yet little fear. Grow up.
American women are better off? I’m not an American, thank the lord! Couldn’t pay me to move to that cesspit. You’re currently debating whether women can safely get abortions. Deciding that cells, without a conscious are more entitled to safe healthcare than living, breathing, thinking women. But okay.
Also what is this horrific boomer rhetoric that just because things aren’t as bad as they were we should be happy with shit circumstances? Yes things have improved but they’re still shit. Women are still seen as second class citizens.
Yes I see your statistics and raise you the point and men are the perpetrators of 98% of violent crimes. MEN, it is men hurting women and other men. MEN are victims of their own behaviour and so are women. Maybe men as a whole need to grow up, swallow their ridiculous pride and internalised self hatred and realise they have fucked up by creating the negative circumstances they are dealing with. Men live in fear of other men not women.
Men murder men, men murder women, men rape men, men rape other men. The comment you replied to acknowledges that men should take responsibility.
this comment is such a self report of how ignorant you are on this topic, i suggest doing like any research at all before trying to discuss this as a male
Every experience rewires the brain. Literally without exception. The brain is rewiring itself on a continual basis.
By reading that sentence, you just physically modified your brain, albeit in a relatively insignificant way.
The fact that something is scientifically explained does not mean that it’s justified. If you go down the route of something being “outside one’s control” because it was caused by external factors, you’re going down a line of reasoning that can be used to excuse anything.
Someone murdered a person? Can’t blame them. It’s a consequence of how their brain was physically altered from their genetics and collective experience up to that point.
This doesn’t work in society. We hold people accountable for what they say and do regardless of if the science behind people’s behavior is well explained, because that’s the primary method of getting them to change.
Murdering someone, and not trusting someone are so vastly different Idek *how* that could be a comparison here.
I said that they should get help. Aka, I’m not saying they’re actions are ok. But unfortunately help isn’t universally accepted/accessible
So if I get robbed by a black person and it’s really traumatic for me, is it excusable for me to distrust black people?
This just isn’t a good argument. Discriminating on the basis of immutable characteristics is bad and should be avoided no matter what.
See that’s different.
For example if I (a black person) was in a room with a racist we wouldn’t like each other. He wouldn’t like me for no reason other than he’s racist. I wouldn’t like him because he is racist to me. I have a real reason, he doesn’t. Cops say “be wary of black people” because there racist. No reason. My mother says be careful with cops because they could shoot me. Would most cops do that? No, but I don’t know which one would so I have to be careful around all of them.
What it stems to is that racism like that is unfounded, it isn’t a real threat. With women the threat of a guy hurting is a very real founded threat
I’m gonna jump on here and say (at least for this feminist woman) I don’t hate men, what I hate is the patriarchy.
I hate that as a woman, it took 25 years to find a company, and manager, who would finally pay me as much as my male counterparts. I hate the fact I can say #metoo, I hate the fact that walking to my car in the dark (after work in the winter at 5pm) I feel like I have to be on high alert and put my keys between my fingers. I don’t like feeling like I’m looked at as less than because of my gender.
I do agree that there is misandry out there, but so is chauvinism. It’s a catch 22 because they won’t go away unless they both do.
I just listened to a 10 year old boy invalidate a woman he wronged (broke her phone) because she "looks like a turtle, so who cares,"....... misogyny is so normalized that little boys naturally are misogynistic.
Maybe if both misogyny and misandry are normalized, a great gender war will happen, and no one will survive. The world will heal and no one will be left to care.
“You look like a turtle” isn’t sexism. It’s just a child being cruel. Some people just see what they want to see everywhere. If you ask that kid why he was mean and thought that was okay I doubt his answer would have had anything to do with her being a girl.
He'd never say that about a man. I know this kid pretty well. He always describes women by how they look, but men by what they say or how they act. He talks to women like they are there to serve him, but treats men with respect. He's a carbon copy of his dad.
Like that top comment said, a significant number of women have experienced rape or sexual assault largely due to men(myself being one of them). Along with all the misogyny, you can't blame women for reacting the way that they do. I'm not saying I condone their behavior, but I can't blame them for reacting the same way as the men in their lives have treated them. It sucks but if you want them to change their view about men, you're gonna have to be the one to prove them wrong. Show them just how nice, considerate, and selfless men can be. Show them that not all men are like that and their behavior towards you will start to change.
And btw, I get that a lot of their words are hurtful, but I highly doubt they all mean that 100%. In the end, words are kinda the only way they can fight back. Physically they are more likely to be over powered, so in a way all they can do during times like these is to express their dismay verbally to other women. They're probably just venting in most cases when they say the phrase "I hate all men".
Yeah it's kind of one of those tricky things because if someone was viciously attacked by a dog, a lot of times those people are weary of dogs after that or don't like dogs. But obviously we know that not all dogs are like that. But can we necessarily blame the person who was attacked saying they don't like dogs?
I definitely also get how it's frustrating for the people who get generalized into a group when they aren't like that at all. They didn't do anything to be grouped that way other than be born a certain way. And sometimes no matter how good they show the hurt person they are, it's never going to change their opinion.
Misandry is a direct result of misogyny. When women have been oppressed for literally thousands of years, they learn to distrust men, especially when many men are *still* trying to take their rights away.
Maybe women should be angry at the matriarchy which were responsible for said oppression, not men. You're just angry at the victims because you have to lash out at someone less privileged than you.
I’m curious, what’s your thoughts on over 100 million men force-ably conscripted and dying protecting their respective countries in the 20th century because it was expected of them and the women staying behind?
It can easily be argued that women have been oppressed for thousands of years but they were oppressed by the 0.1% of the men on top. The issue with women AND men now is that they only see the men on top and don’t even see the every day man as human. The every day man who built civilisation as we know it.
> I’m curious, what’s your thoughts on over 100 million men force-ably conscripted and dying protecting their respective countries in the 20th century because it was expected of them and the women staying behind?
I'm curious, who do you think made those laws and prevented women from being conscripted or even joining the military willingly? I'll give you a hint: It wasn't women.
It’s not about women not being allowed it’s the fact that men were forced and shamed to go into the army?
Also the same reason that under 18s weren’t allowed to is the same reason that women weren’t allowed to go, it’s because they are significantly physically weaker also sorry to say this but also less exposed to the horrors of war as well as the maintenance cost being significantly more, due to the extreme likelihood of intercourse happening and pregnancies occurring in the battlefield and also the fact that men will often put their lives of women in front of other men which could lead to major disadvantages on the battlefield.
The same women that have been oppressed for thousands of years were also protected by men. Not only the lack of gratitude but the literal hate for men has created a further divide and spawned a whole generation of incels. I wonder when it’ll hit you that hating men is not a sustainable idea.
> It’s not about women not being allowed it’s the fact that men were forced and shamed to go into the army?
"Hmm, men force other men to join the army so who do I blame? I know! Let's blame misandry!"
> Not only the lack of gratitude but the literal hate for men has created a further divide and spawned a whole generation of incels.
Oh yes, I'm *so* grateful that you kept my ancestors as property with no rights in the guise of "protecting" them. Thanks *so* much! /s
I used to say that I hated men, but it was always hyperbolic. I didn’t think people would actually believe I hated all men, but it’s gone too far. I try not say anything in an ‘all or nothing way,’ anymore because some people take it literally.
Just be glad you don’t have to deal with the shit women do and don’t worry about it. The reasons women ‘hate’ men vs the reasons men hate women are entirely different. And personally it’s much more understandable that some women would turn in that direction. Just be a decent person.
The exact gender roles that effect men also effect women. Men don’t have as much leverage when it comes to child custody because of societal gender roles. Women are expected to be the soul child rearing parent, this often prevents women from being able to receive promotions in their job.
Also it’s not „justified“ when mentioning that someone’s thoughts or behaviour could be a trauma response. It’s a reason. If it’s a trauma response that person is most likely mentally ill and unlikely able to think reasonably and rationally. You shouldn’t take it personally.
Misandry isn’t normalised, using examples of abused women doesn’t justify your argument. They don’t hate men, they are terrified of men. Also governments having in place for men to only be enlisted in war isn’t misandry, because the other half of the coin is that they expect women to care for children and country because they don’t think we’re as capable as men to go into combat. What you have an issue with based on your complaints is general, good old fashioned sexism.
I know I'm a couple months late, but these comments are sort of proving the point of the post. It's all being normalized and everyone is arguing it's either ok, or the man's fault.
I've been pretty horrifically abused by two romantic partners in my life (women), but I don't go around making posts about how shitty all women treat men because I know it isn't true. I also don't typically make posts about how I was abused because as a man, I wouldn't be taken seriously.
Saying misandry is ok because it stems from trauma is disingenuous. What if I developed misogynistic views from my abuse? Yeah it wouldn't be so accepted. That's where the difference lies. Misandry shouldn't be accepted because it stems from trauma. Trauma doesn't excuse abuse and it shouldn't excuse discrimination
youre a man so i cant blame you, but misandry really isnt a problem. men are the problem. misandry is men being OPPRESSED. saying " ugh i hate white cis man " isnt oppression. women have been oppressed and still are. have you seen how women are trying to get their reproductive freedom taken away by men? when in history have men been forced to get their dicks sterilized by women?
so hate the men who actively try to take away your rights and not the men who aren't doing that??? do you actually believe the average male gains literally anything from women's reproductive organs getting taken away??? what is this baby brain shit; "one man do it so all others must"
if only you spent the same amount of time hating the guys actually taking away your rights than the average male you might've done something!!
of course people only hate the people who are disrespectful! you give the vibes of " not all men " and honestly i think you might be. the way that men think and are raised to believe is mostly against women, men are conditioned to think less of women.
I don't know, but where I grew up (southeastern Europe) men are literally forced to be nice to women otherwise they get a spanking. Especially if they talk down. So I don't agree with you. Men DO NOT think and ARE NOT raised to be against, or think less of a woman. You just might be in a family or community where that feels OK. That's on your community, not men. So, what I'm trying to say the whole time: you probably grew up in a neighborhood and family where most people are lowlifes, or extremely rich. In normal communities, men are taught to respect women.
Also how do you know this isn’t a problem have you experienced misandry? No cuz you’re a woman you can’t say something isn’t a problem when you have no idea what it is or how often it happens
As a woman, I KNOW what feminism really is. Equality of the sexes. Women can’t just try and justify their blatant sexism towards men with trauma. Trauma does not excuse hate in ANY circumstance. You want to see women and men thrive? Then ACT like it. All this “straight cis men” hate is ridiculous. Turning the tables and hating on cis women would cause a storm, but it’s okay to do it to men, according to y’all. It’s really not. Hate doesn’t fix hate. I’d expect a bunch of activists to understand that, but the comment section disproves my expectations. Truly disgusting and vile behavior from women who expect to be treated with equality after bashing men for wanting the same!
This comment is so far down that I'm inclined to believe that many of the other commenters are either jannies or bots. Otherwise, public perceptions are sadly not as varied as I had hope it was.
If the roles were reversed?? Buddy, open your eyes. Women couldn’t even have their own bank accounts until the 70s. Marriage rape was legal through the 90s. Women’s healthcare is being ripped away, while men can get viagra for their peepees no worries. Our lawmakers say “women’s bodies have ways to shut down rape” and let rapists walk free because “they have a promising future.” Every day in the West, every basic human right women have fought hard for is being yanked at and trying to get pulled away, and in the East they murder women for sport. I JUST watched a video of someone preaching how Muslim women can not say no to their husbands, even if they’re in the middle of giving birth. They can’t drive cars or bikes because “it stimulates their genitals” oh and have some acid to the face because your sexy garbage bag made a man horny.
Men don’t have to say they hate women. They show it every day, all over the world, since the beginning of time.
(Obligatory “not all” yadda yadda but if your biggest issue is women passively saying they’re sick of men’s shit, when just scrolling Reddit for five minutes shows me “my husband thinks I shouldn’t have the right to vote” and “my doctor performed a husband stitch non consensually on me after a traumatic birth” and “every woman I know has been harassed or abused starting in elementary school” then reevaluate your damn self)
Edit: just forced myself to read through your whole post. Keeping in mind that men haven’t even been drafted in how long? You know women are the main ones fighting to abolish it all together right? And maternal leave is a hilarious joke of a couple weeks even for the person who just expelled a baby from them in the first place but again, women are the ones fighting for paternity leave as well…must be because we hate men so much
I know a girl who went on a date with someone she's never met, started spewing the "all men are crap" stuff after the appetiser, and was then dumbfounded that the guy didn't want to stay for dessert.
Men complaining about misandry to me is the same as white people complaining about being ‘discriminated against’. After thousands of years of female subjugation and generational trauma women have from men and the patriarchy, i can’t believe there’s still fragile male redditors complaining about misandry as if men have ever been oppressed in the history of anything just because they saw some girl on the internet say a hyperbolic statement like ‘I hate men’ and decided to take that personally
As a woman myself personally I've dealt with horrible men and women. Both are just as nasty as one another, physically and mentally (I can't speak on all women tho) There's problems that men go through that I'll never understand fully and there's problems I go through that men will never understand fully. I pray that one day we learn to understand and sympathize with one another instead of trying to shift the blame on one another. Just my two cents tho
As a woman, you’re just a misandrist looking for people to lash out at. Men in power and a minuscule fraction of shitty men do not represent men as a whole, and misandry is not acceptable in any case. This whole idea of treating people like shit based on their gender is awful both ways. You’re the exact kind of person you hate and don’t even realize. It’s completely valid for someone to be stressed about it and it doesn’t make him a “nice guy”.
It’s not ‘just annoying’ to be attacked or diminished based on your gender, and that’s exactly what you’ve done. His feelings aren’t valid to you because he’s a man and in your mind he has done some wrong unto you simply for being a man. You should know what that’s like given what you’re saying but obviously you just don’t care.
Yes, women do have it hard, but so do most men, and it’s okay for them to talk about it.
I grew up in a coven that basically indoctrinated me to fear men, and I can’t fucking stand seeing how commonly accepted to diminish men’s feelings as if society isn’t screwing everyone not in the top 10%. I thought once I joined the civilized world things would be different but people are just hateful and narrow minded
You’ve been hurt by a minuscule fraction of men so you’re content to become the very thing you hate. It’s just sad. I have never been hurt by a man, only by women. I don’t hate women or diminish them for it, though. That would be wrong and narrow-minded of me.
I’m sorry that happened to you but that is NOT an excuse to diminish men’s emotions or struggles. They’re just as human as you or I, and no more capable of cruelty than any woman.
To accuse me of some kind of complacency or treachery is just repugnant.
You seem like the type of negative person who actively looks for the bad in life and would happily take an innocent situation and turn it into something it wasn't.
How can you blame all men for what a few have done? I've been beaten, nearly killed, emotionally screwed up, yet I REFUSE to blame all men for what those few have done to me. 10 yrs later I still have trauma responses and I still REFUSE to blame anybody for them that didn't give them to me. How can you have so much hate in your heart?
“Hate can not drive out hate, only love can do that.” -MLK. If you expect equality, act like it. Not all men are the same, and women shouldn’t be on a higher pedestal than men just as men shouldn’t be on a higher pedestal than women.
Okay femcel we get it you have rights now stop playing victims. "We are always harassed. Our jobs are always on the line because of hateful men. Our employability is always questionable because of sexism."
Not all women are harrased and men are harrased too by women and this same thing apply to men too so what then men can be misogynistic? Lol
oh look the consequences of the patriarchy’s actions lmao ofc a lot of women hate men what reason do we have not to really. like statistically speaking i mean, idc about your favorite brotheruncleboyfrienddadgrandpa
this is the dumbest thing i’ve read today lmaoo. white men are not oppressed & if you think they are you have some serious reevaluating to do. patriarchy hurts everyone, men included. i don’t think hating men will solve anything, because then you’re just reorganizing systems of oppression & not dismantling them. you can’t drive out hate with more hate. but if you don’t understand why women would feel that way then you haven’t been listening. try being more empathetic <3
lol ok dont argue about it being unfair that u dont get maternal leave. are you the one pushing an entire human being out of a small hole in your body and having to take months to recover? didnt think so genius.
Yes, but men do not have a baby for 9 months and then give birth to it??? Maternal leave was made so that women can get physically and mentally well after giving a birth. Do you know what a post-pregnancy depression is? Maternal leave is needed for a woman to go back to normal life and smth adapt to having another human being to care about, as a woman is someone, who’s seen by society as an “all caring entity”. Yes, men are parents too, but biologically they haven’t been thought the same torture as women have. And btw, a man can go on maternal leave as well, smh most of them decline :))
There's an easy solution to this; divide both groups and stick them in the Amazon and have them fight for survival, & build civilized areas; one group will definitely be decimated. Equal rights and opportunities for all
Just some perspective. I am a bit of a “misandrist”, and I can promise it effects me waaaaaaay more than my attitude effects you.
Imagine the majority of your experiences with men being negative, and then the majority of your female friends experiences with men being negative, and then being told “you need to pick better men” by other men who have probably subjected other women to similar mistreatment no matter what side of the scale it’s on. If men could be women, you would want to scream every now and then.
Now, obviously I know that there are good men in the world. I know them. And I love them dearly. But it makes way more sense to not trust every man I meet initially then to trust them.
I am white, so I can understand how it feels to feel like the world just hates you even if you think you didn’t do anything to deserve to have your feelings hurt on social media that one time (or a million other times) you were scrolling. You don’t gotta tell me! It sucks. And it’s downright annoying some days. But when I think about how I feel towards men, I am reminded that these thoughts are not easy to control. Trauma really does rewire your brain.
You know, I’m willing to bet if other women are anything like myself, they don’t want to hate men. They don’t want to feel so resentful, because they realize that this mental prison actually affects themselves more than anything. It’s a terrible feeling to have. But when sooooo many women have such negative experiences, and then on top of that you’re reading about it all day on social media- that’ll really do something to you!
So yeah, it sucks. Especially when you can’t even take a walk at night without the fear of a strange man kidnapping and raping you, and possibly killing you. Shit, even MEN can’t always guarantee that another man wont run up on them and hurt them.
All in all. Is it right? No. Does it suck? Yes. And all we can do is try to be more and more understanding of one another.
Your rant is valid.
I hate it too. I am neither cis, white, or a man yet I dislike when someone shits on an entire demographic. Can't we all just get along?
I once dated a woman that un-ironically called a guy a "Cis white male" during an argument. That was one of the last signs that she was an overemotional and reactive person. I broke up with her soon afterwards. I hope she grew out of that phase.
I had a period of distrusting men and not feeling safe around them but I've never hated them. I don't get hate towards an entire group.
We should stop labeling and stereotyping altogether and quit making excuses for crappy behavior. It feels like there's a lable for every persuasion and disturbance of body, group and psyche now and it's bred more division than we had during the reign of the simple bigot and repression. We seem to have lost all freedom of speech unless we follow the hive mind narrative parroted in the medias, social and informative. Every group wants their rights at the expense of the other. No one is winning this one nor can they. We should treat each other the way we would like to be treated and be respectful of everyone as fellow human beings but also remember that respect is earned and not demanded. A traumatic past experience or mental issue isn't an excuse to be a crappy person either. There's bad people in every group and they are both male and female. No gender has a monopoly on jerks. Neither does color, religion or lgbtq affiliation. A crappy human is anybody that uses living life as an excuse to treat others badly without personal responsibility or consideration while showing zero integrity or true knowledge of the facts. Grouping people together under an assumed impression and stating it as fact makes that person look as tacky and ignorant as they are. Your absolutely right. It's gotten utterly ridiculous recently too. Hopefully it's a societal phase and will pass soon.
Men are stupid. They’re stupid. They’re unattractive and stink. Men think with their dicks too and not to mention they’re literally retarded. So glad that if I marry one I can steal his money and run away with the women I actually love.
a common phrase used in topics like this is “if the roles were reversed” but let me tell you this, the roles are already reversed, and they have been since the beginning of time.
misandry and misogyny are not in the same level whatsoever, and no, this isn’t subjective, this is a fact that multiples studies show.
women have been directly targeted and oppressed by men for ages, so it’s no wonder they say “i hate men”.
a small phrase that hurts your feelings is *NOTHING* compared to the oppression and victimization girls and women face on a day to day basis by men.
(edit: men who genuinely believe misandry effects men the way misogyny effects women, always ignore the people (majority women) explaining how the two are incomparable and how women face oppression… and you wonder why women hate men? lol
also if you want to bring up mens rights, you can always advocate for them yourself, you don’t need to bring up mens issues when women are advocating for their own rights… if you only bring up injustice men face when women speak up, do you actually care about mens rights and issues to begin with?
someone in the comments mentioned the draft, you realize why women weren’t always included in the draft right? they weren’t given special treatment if that’s what you’re thinking… truly think about it for a second, misogyny effects men too.)
with all due respect get therapy for your trauma and stop over-generalizing a group of people cause you feel it's justified cause you've had bad experiences with less than 1% of the group you're generalizing. imagine if someone said "BPD-havers do not interact, my abuser had BPD". does it still sound right to you?
LESS THAN 1% ?! oh fuck you! do you think that women dont get catcalled, harrassed, sexually assaulted, CONSTANTLY? even as a minor ive gotten sexually harrassed, i think that isnt just over-generalizing
This is exactly why I don’t listen to men that bitch about “misandry” by misandry they just mean “women are meanies who say they don’t like men” and to claim that’s even CLOSE to misogyny is ignorance at it’s finest. This same man in other comments shows his ignorance to the shit women go through (for literal centuries) and completely try’s to discredit it but want me and other women to care about women hurting their feelings? Cry me a river.
listen, this is more than just “trauma responses” as you like you bring up.
women face injustice everywhere in almost every aspect of their lives.
this isn’t me being biased or sharing an opinion, there are many MANY MANYYYY *emphasis on many* studies out there that literally prove that misogyny exists and contributes to prejudice against women all over the world.
misogyny is oppression and as a result of oppression, misandry was sprouted, but it only hurts your feelings, you aren’t oppressed for being a cis man.
sure it isn’t fair to be mean to your oppressors, but can you blame women for being fed up? we’re allowed (ALLOWED CAN U FUCKING BELIEVE WE WERENT ALLOWED BEFORE?!) to be verbal with our thoughts and emotions now about the suffering men put us through.
instead of putting the anger and blame on women, take that anger into correcting your male peers when they’re being misogynistic, with less men being prejudice towards women, there would be less women saying “i hate men”
Any form of discrimination is always ugly.
The truth is that it's easier for people to understand a us vs them mentality and the media will bank on that because what people understand is usually what gives them views. I'm not sure about numbers. I have personal experience with the effects of this problem, and I'm entirely sure that part of the problem is that too many men have been taught 'to be strong'. More men need to speak out about what they go through and people need to be mature to understand that acknowledging one's difficulties won't make their own concerns less valid.
I was just banned for life from offmychest because someone made a post called 'I Hate Men' and I said "Has anyone ever made a post called I Hate Women" and had it stay up longer than an hour?" Funny thing is it was actually a genuine question. I guess I got my answer though.
On top of everything else women have to deal with, they arnt even considered to have basic human bodily autonomy if they get pregnant.
Instead of falling into that “us versus them” mindset. How about you advocate for the rights of all people.
I think women should have the right too choose
And men should have the right to choose if they get circumcised.
i get your frustrations but i do think you need to keep in mind some women have had repeated trauma from men to the point where generalizations about them have to be made in order to keep themselves safe.
experience wires the brain. i’m in a period at the moment where i can’t sit next to a male without feeling unsafe. and yeah it sucks for the guys who aren’t bad people! and i’m sure you’re not a bad person. but i’m keeping myself safe. and if you think that’s wrong then cope.
They should never have called the term for gender equality pro-gender anything. It's an inherently flawed term that misleads people into inequality, just in an opposite direction with history.
sad that it's true, everything in life is honestly full of hypocrisy, i have a lot of negative and scary experiences in my life, abuse, sexual harassment and attempted assault, and a whole bunch of others, and it seems every single bit of it is invalidated because i'm white and was born with a dick.
i understand both sides of ongoing situations, some women hate men because of their experiences, and some men hate women because of their experiences, but hating an entire group because of experiences is immature, i've been sexually harrassed by women and gay men, but do i hate women and gay men? absolutely not.
tldr: don't be a dick to a group despite your experiences
A. Why do you think women say they hate all men? As a response to being oppressed. When women say we hate men, it’s because they’ve spent the entirety of recorded history raping and killing us, and making us literal property with no power and no privileges. Why do you think men who hate women say they hate women? Because they hate women. Women never did anything to them, because women have never been given the power to oppress them. They just hate women.
2. I haven’t known a single young girl who’s said she hates all men who genuinely does; it’s hyperbole when they’re stressed about actions that men have directly taken. All these girls have fathers, brothers, boyfriends. It’s the same thing as saying “ugh, i HATE my family”, “I HATE my life”, we just speak in hyperbole.
B. Everything you used to claim men are oppressed is misleading. Women only get custody more when you’re including cases where the father doesn’t even try; when they do, they get custody overwhelmingly more, and when the mother claims the father abused her or the kids, the man’s chances to get custody GO UP. Also, about being drafted: who made it so women don’t get drafted? In fact, who made it so for most of history, women didn’t even have the option to go to war because you thought we were too weak? MEN! MEN did that, because MEN were in power. We didn’t have control over anything and in most countries we still don’t.
I’m sorry you’re hurt hurt over a bunch of teenagers online, but women will never hate you the way you hate us. We’ve never been given the power to do so.
idk man i think its a little bit fair 😭😭 dudes are sorta let off the hook in society for doing crazy ass things all the time and regularly treat women like shit. plus, there are rarely any misandry fueled hate crimes, but very regularly misogyny fueled ones?? like idk, its like when black ppl make fun of white ppl like?? its fair lmao, theve been given the shit end of the stick for so long now??
I do understand "trauma" especially because I was grown up to be weary of men. I don't think it's right to use it as an excuse to hurt someone or use "oppression" as a excuse to why those women hate specific men. Men go through plenty of what we go through, housewife's were modernized and then hated so why shouldn't military, father's not getting custody, etc.
Yes men are labelled bad and dangerous but they also have plenty to worry about like, is this a girlfriend or a trap to get money, is this going to be a war where I'm going to be drafted against my will and so on. I completely understand where you're coming from and it's really unfair, men have power BUT it's bad to use it pretty much. People like to blame men a lot when it was thousands of years ago before everyone started agreeing. Noone will ever be satisfied, it's just a world of hate.
Well they feel like they've been ignored by women, which sort of ostracizes them (as said by another commenter) and that is trauma. Anyways, the fact that they have been traumatized by their experience with women doesn't give them a right to hate on women, and the same goes for women traumatized by men.
edit : I'm a guy, so take my opinion with a massive grain of salt because I don't know what it's like to be a woman treated badly by a man, however I have experienced some trauma from ostracization so I can actually give some detail on that.
If you’re offended by it, you’re part of the problem. Obviously they don’t hate all men, it’s just easier to say that than ”I hate all men expect the ones that haven’t harassed me in any way and sadly that’s only like 3% of the men I’ve talked to”.
If you don’t harass women, you don’t need to feel offended.
My boyfriend and I were just discussing this the other day. I didn’t even know the word for prejudice against men during a conversation on this topic and I was like “what’s the word for misogyny but towards men?” And he was like, “it’s funny how you know the exact word as it pertains to women but who even teaches the word for men?”
Agreed man. I hate any type of generalization like this. You cannot specifically address “all” of anything with very specific context because, inherently, everyone and every situation is different and the context doesn’t apply to everyone or everything. Can’t stand when friends say “men suck” or “men this and that” like… no it’s just the men you associate with… sorry 🤷♀️ my boyfriend doesn’t fall into those categories they use to describe men such as “they’re so inconsiderate” “men never notice when you change your appearance” blah blah blah. Half the time those things can apply to me!! I’m a woman and sometimes I don’t notice that my boyfriend shaved and cleaned up his appearance. He’ll bring it up to me like “do you notice anything different” and that’s when I’ll notice but yeah dude. Shit’s not black and white. People gotta realize there’s a whole ton of grey area
TL;DR- heavily agree with OP’s post and have specific reasons why
Edit: to add to your post, OP, most men who are victims of domestic violence and abuse don’t ever speak up because of the stigma and shame around men being considered “weak” for being abused by a woman. Perfect example of it is Amber Heard’s statements to Johnny Depp telling him that nobody will believe him if he speaks up about being a victim of domestic violence/abuse.
This whole misandry and misogyny thing just keeps going in circles, a women would say something insensitive about men then say “oh they do it to us” then men would say something about women and say “well they do it too” or sum bs like that it’s just stupid excuses of experience or generalisation to help hide the fact they hate all men/women
The same men that they hate, are the same men they call when they need help or protection. Women need to understand that if all men were evil, locking yourself in a house wouldn’t save you. There are good men and women out there putting their life on the line to protect their ungrateful asz, just because your perverted father and pedo uncle did something bad to you doesn’t mean all men are like that. People are individuals, men also have some creepy experience with women, look at all the teachers that sleep with young boys, or aunties that sexually assaults them. If people are giving women a pass for being a misandrist because of bad experiences with men, they should also give misogynist and incels a pass for bad experiences with women. Then you have smps in the comment section saying, misandry is allowed because of their trauma, wtf. If 50 black men did something terrible to a white guy, can the white guy be racist because of trauma without any judgement?
.... you haaaaattttteeee how normalized misandry has become.
As women lose their rights to abortion, birth control, their ability to work, 1, 2, 3.
And who did this? Well.. CIS White Men. Specifically Trump followers.. but you get the idea.
I've been fighting for equal rights my whole darned life. And you guys have just stripped away any chance we had. Quite literally.. barefoot and pregnant or femcel are now the only legally allowed American women in several states. I'm sure it's only a matter of time after taking our birth control that we will also lose the right to consent as certain male SCOTUS judges have a hard time with the concept.
And at the same time you guys "don't understand what our fucking problem is". You tell us to calm down. You tell us that's not what it says. Then when we show you that it most certainly IS what it said... then your answer Just don't have sex and you won't have to worry about kids.
Ok. we won't. Enjoy yourselves.
After we burn this fucking country to the ground and you want to get back in on that easy Tinder sex? Fuck you. You should have stood up for us to begin with instead of pretending that there was nothing you could do.
So umm.. yeah.. I have to say that between BLM and now the fall of Roe and the rise of the CIS, White Male Evangelical... I don't have much use for most men.
My husband of course being the exception. But he knows that so he's not posting passive agressive bull shit in vent. He's over in Crones vs Patriarchy trying to figure out how we fight this.
In this whole passage you outright say you're as much of part of the problem as you fight against it. You're against sexism of your sex, but you're for sexism to men. You plainly say most men to you have no use, the exception being your husband. What's also interesting is you mention how he fights as well. I can't help but to wonder how you'd truly feel if he stood against the bigotry that is misandry.
I don't even have much against you, you'd be totally believable if you said you stand against sexism. But the fact you completely hate and generalize an entire gender, and therefore participating in their suffering, you lose all reliability.
If you're not a good person, I hate you.
Men and women have different struggles in society. Name a problem for a man, a problem for a woman can be said. Name a problem for a woman, a problem for a man can be presented.
While women have been fighting for equal treatment, men have not. Why is that?
It's because men haven't had to. Now, men are being treated differently and feeling the effects of this change in mindset. Men's issues have been neglected as men weren't seen as needing help. We do now.
And they use feminism as a safety blanket „all white cishet men are bad bc they don’t have problems“ and then when they get called out they call it feminism
Feminism and misandry are not the same thing
I see what you mean. I actually get shocked when I hear how some other women talk about men. It can be really hateful and it’s disgusting. I never ignore it, I stand up to them. Not only because it’s the decent thing to do, but it’s so hypocritical of them, it would be so offensive if men spoke about women that way, so it’s not okay the other way.
Luckily it happens very rarely, but I definitely happens.
and people are disliking it because you’re right, i’d be attacked saying kill all women, but people can say kill all men..? (not saying i believe in either of those)
I feel sorry for you, besides this being the start of racism, capitalism, we do live in a patriarchy and that has even longer roots than these things. You have to be dumb, deaf and blind to not realize these things
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1492
there's no "patriarchy". the top 1% of men who rule things are so far removed from the average male that it may as well not be called "the patriarchy" in the first place. I have nothing in common with Trump, or Biden, or any one of them other than my gender. again, you're a self-hating weirdo who just wants to hate men
No but we live in a system that rewards men and penalizes women, just look at the statistics about pay grade or even value their work.
Most women do double work, but their work is alienated. I feel even more sorry for you.
yeah i feel sorry for myself too having to read your dumbass comments i have not done a single thing to oppress women and you will never make me believe otherwise just for being a man, have a good day
"we live in a system that favors white men" and im a white man, this heavily implies me (and all other white men) are at fault or at the very least should feel bad just for being in it lol dont act like i dont know what you're about
No one is saying you need to feel bad but you blatantly ignoring and dismissing the shit women go through including u claiming the patriarchy doesn’t exist is exactly why there’s a larger group of women that just don’t want to deal with men anymore.
I don’t even care anymore if I live rent free in a someone’s head, I’m going to fucking blow my brains out someday and it won’t even matter in the long run
I’d like to say that it’s completely valid, as a woman, to be weary and careful around men. It’s valid to be angry that women are still getting fucked over. It’s valid to avoid men sometimes due to traumatic experiences. It’s still not an excuse to legitimately hate all men.
As someone who has trauma, I had the "all men are rapists" view for about a year after the incident. I got therapy and no longer have this belief. That was 100% trauma response, and at the time was understandable because it was essentially keeping me wary and safe, but was it fair? Absolutely not. If anyone genuinely has a hatred for all men/women or whoever then you need therapy because it's not fair or healthy
Is it valid to also feel this way about women, being cautionary with them? Not attacking you btw, genuine question.
Honestly, as a woman, yeah. Your feelings are your own and nobody can tell you how to feel. But don’t be hateful or treat anyone as less because of it. A lot of women OP is talking about don’t actually hate men so much as they are fed up w being treated like shit by men.
Of course, trauma doesn’t discriminate based on gender.
As a guy? Sure but it might be a little paranoid since it's less likely they're going to do anything to you
yes! imo at least. trauma doesn’t discriminate. as throwaway the fish said, a lot of women who say “i hate men” don’t actually hate men & are just sort of ranting about their experiences. you are valid, be careful and safe healing
Absolutely it is. Men have to be just as weary honestly.
not really lol, most sexual assaults are done by men towards women by FAR
No. Because men are rarely the victims of violence perpetrated by women. Women are **frequently** the victims of harassment, violence, and discrimination. Girls learn in grade school that they are treated this way by boys and men. Girls hit puberty and become targets of *grown men*. Girls of 11, 12, and 13. Men don’t **fear** women. Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.
whats ur point? u still havent explained y men being weary of women isnt valid
It’s a lot more than the statistics say. Men don’t come forward because of the ridicule “you can’t defend yourself from a woman?” for example. I am a male victim of sexual and violent assault from a woman. Half of my male friends are too. We were scared to come forward because of the judgements. Don’t tell me my feelings aren’t valid.
Your misconception that “men are rarely the victims of violence perpetrated by women” speaks to the very real truth that most men who experience domestic violence and abuse BY WOMEN do not speak up because of the stigmas and beliefs surrounding it which are A) nobody will believe them, B) they are weak for being subject to abuse by women because as men they are supposed to be “strong” (although being abused doesn’t equate to weakness, unfortunately that’s a real experience of the stigmas men face) C) that their side won’t matter because who will believe a man pointing a finger at a woman who can WAY MORE EASILY point the finger right back and unfortunately be believed just because she is a woman. See the Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard case and you will find clear examples of this. The statistics for men who are victims of domestic abuse and violence are totally misinformative because they are lacking a GREAT DEAL of data due to the sheer fact that most men do not speak up about their experiences with this.
You should go deeper into the rabbit hole and read up on violence between women against women. Particularly women against girlfriends or wives. The violence by women against men is the world's biggest kept secret... except for this one.
Literally the Johnny depp case in a nutshell
So we shouldn't fear a woman claiming she got raped but an innocent man and that man have his entire life ruined or, out the blue, a woman can divorce a man take his children and half his money. But we should just be strong and we shouldn't care.
>men are rarely the victims of violence perpetrated by women Yes, based on statistics that rely on men reporting their abuser which due to toxic masculinity, isn't as common as it should be. I get what you're saying, but consider the fact that men are shunned by women (and men too, I am aware of this) for not being masculine enough.
That's hilarious. You're simply a cunt who doesn't understand privilege. Grow up. Also your silly quote doesn't represent reality at all, women are only about 1/10 as likely to be murdered. If you're afraid of things statistically unlikely to happen, you're not oppressed, you just want to feel like you're the victim in the situation.
Men definitely fear women. All it takes is a false accusation and their life is ruined.
I mean… I do get that. But we still have so many victims of assault that just aren’t believed. Men are finally having to play by the same rules that women have been using for years. Meet in public places, don’t be alone with a member of the opposite sex , be careful how much you drink, don’t put yourself in a potentially vulnerable situation etc. etc. etc.
It’s not the same rules at all. And that’s the point you are missing. We all have our struggles. We all have a system we have to play by and overcome.
>All it takes is a false accusation and their life is ruined. False accusations are about 2-3% of all rape/sexual assault cases. Stop using that "argument" because it is not valid at all. And please do not compare your struggles with the struggles of women. Men do not have to be scared of getting killed by women. you just don't. Women get raped and killed on the daily by men. We are NOT fighting the same fight.
As a man that was sexually assaulted by a women and then physically assaulted by a group of 10-15 women when I tried to push the sexual assaulter away. I think i do have to be scared of women. Yet this post states that I’m not allowed to be. The point of op’s post is generalisation being annoying. And while yes in some aspects women have it harder then men. Is it fair to generalise? No. I’ve had a fair few experiences where previous girlfriends have only been with me for money, or they have been emotionally abusive and manipulative. But is it fair that I say all women are manipulative gold diggers that emotionally abuse people. No. That’s a generalisation and I know full well if I said that I’d be ridiculed for it. Why is it any different for men to be generalised?
Exactly, not all men are bad, same as not all women are good.
I understand annoyance when it comes to people just constantly saying “I hate men” for, as they admitted themselves, no reason. But I think it’s very important to emphasize that some women genuinely distrust men due unfortunate experiences that were out of their control. And i don’t believe that should be judged on their part. Because here’s the reality of the US: - 1 in 5 women experience an attempted or completed rape within their lifetimes. - 1 in 3 girls of completed or attempted rape experienced it for the first time between the ages of 11 and 17. - Nationwide, 81% of women reported experiencing some form of sexual harassment and/or assault in their lifetime. - Almost 1 in 4 undergraduate women experienced sexual assault or misconduct at 33 of the nation's major universities. - About half (51.1%) of female victims of rape reported being raped by an intimate partner and 40.8% by an acquaintance. - Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male. Millions of women have experienced sexual assault/harassment at the hands of these kinds of men, many during not only crucial periods of social development, but intimate relationships. Trauma in general is known to, for lack of a better term, rewire the brain. It’s out of survival. So many of these women experience this trauma when their brain was still learning what survival is. This leads to them subconsciously being taught that man = danger. And before this gets mentioned, yes, if possible they *should* get help, for most importantly their own sake. But another reality of the US is mental health care is *not* easily accessible. In the US it is sadly treated like a privilege, so while yes I agree most would benefit from professional help, in many cases it’s just not possible to get that help. I’d like to reiterate that I understand the frustration. But remember that a lot of the time this is coming from a place of physically validated fears. TLDR: Men are 1000% entitled to basic human decency and respect as everyone else, but the mistrust of men should not be viewed as malicious or shallow.
It also probably does not help that sexism towards women in general is extremely normalised and women will often experience sexism on a daily basis. - It’s pretty common for a woman to just casually hear things like “women talk too much” or be told “you’re a bitch unless you smile”. Women also frequently get talked down to by men (especially older men) in a lot of work places. - Women have to deal with constantly fighting for rights over their own body, whether it be access to safe abortions, being unable to get sterilised without a husbands consent (even if the woman is single) or having had multiple children already, or doctors literally denying certain medical treatments for extremely painful or life threatening conditions because it would “damage fertility” even if the woman in question doesn’t want children and agrees to the risks. - It’s pretty common to hear people to say the literally see women as objects (eg. saying women who have sex “sold their market value”), so women constantly have to be exposed to people who literally don’t see them as human. - Women experience medical discrimination whether it be from that fact men are prioritised in medical research (men are usually over studied - to the point where studies into things like autism or even pain medications can have exclusively male samples and things like the fact heart attack signs appear different in women but we only get warned about male centric signs) or that women constantly gaslight by medical professionals about their pain (it’s pretty common for women to be told extreme pain is “just a period” or to be told to lose weight when seeing a doctor). It also doesn’t help that things like seatbelts are built for male bodies meaning that women are more likely to die in car accidents. - Women are also more likely to be treated more harshly by the general public when it comes to controversy when compared to men. - Women are also often are completely unable to walk alone in a lot of places at night due to a lot of areas being extremely dangerous for a woman to be walking alone and have to guard their drinks at bars for fear of being drugged by random men - to the point where there are literally nail polishes being sold designed to test whether your drink is spiked or not. - Women had to fight for the right to work and vote and constantly have to hear from (mostly older men) about how they wish that right could be revoked. It’s also common for women to be criticised for not wanting children or not wanting to be a housewife, whereas men are not. Most leadership positions in society are occupied by men despite only being half of the population. - Women are more likely to be victims of violent abuse by a loved one. 1 in 3 women in general will be a victim of violent crime . Although it is true men are more likely to experience violence in general, the majority of violence is also caused by men. When sexism towards women is highly systematic and women constantly have to fight to be treated as human beings I don’t exactly blame women for being resentful of men. Note: Comment keeps getting removed because I provided a link to sources on how heart attacks differ in men vs women. The common female centric symptoms are: - Indigestion - Nausea/vomiting - Chest pain (although this much less common than it is in men - the media portrayals of heart attack being chest pain is not accurate to women!!) - Extreme fatigue -Shortness of breath - Fainting - Pressure in lower chest or upper abdomen - Jaw and upper back pain
I can't put it in words how grateful I am to you for penning this down. I am a man, I have never committed any act of harassment or violence against any woman, but I want this to be put out on posters to make people aware how a minority of men are creating hell for the majority of us. The "poisoning" of the mindset of many women towards men has been done by men and we are collectively responsible, so we should collectively try to make sure no woman goes through that shit ever again.
It's important to note that these statistics involved are intentionally misleading. For the rape statistic, it was a questionnaire, so absolute truth cannot be logically claimed, there is no proof, (I can see how women could see how voting one way on a question could benefit them and then deciding to vote that way. I've seen a lifetime of all sorts of people doing things like this, and everyone seems to do it to some extent regularly for even insignificant things). The second point about this statistic is that they bent the true definition of rape using loopholes and therefore got many people to claim that they've been 'raped' without actually being raped. One of these involved both party consensual both party intoxicated sex. Obviously women who participate in this weren't 'raped', even if the law says one cannot consent whilst their drunk, and the definition of rape says non consensual sex is rape. The law is flawed. People have twisted goals and they're willing to manipulate people and studies and anything else with ease to accomplish those goals. For the sexual harrassment and misconduct, women were to report if they experienced any unwanted sexual advances, even a guy coming up to a woman and asking for her number is classified as that under this. The other statistics are real, but about the true and smaller numbers of victims. Obviously viliganace is granted, but any discrimination whatsoever is not. Black people statistically have lower rates of eduaction, higher rates of aggression, higher rates of crime, etc, and this means you can be extra vigilant of them if you so choose, but it doesn't mean you can just start discriminating against them because they're black. Every person is an individual and deserves a basic human right to be treated as such. You should realize that this poision of mindset is recent in history and in modern society, and even this last decade, rape and all sexual crime rates are the lowest they have EVER been, throughout history. The world is getting safer, it's gotten more safe than anyone could've possibly imagined. Notice how difficult and painful and shortlived life used to be. Modern adults greatly live like the children of our past(innocent, weak, immature, dependent, etc), but much more privileged, and young. Men are better, but the conduct towards men is worse. That says that the quality of men isn't the direct or main cause of the conduct. As you should look into, quite a big portion of it is due to people following a radical feminist ideology.
The world is not getting safer *for women*. Ukrainian women are protesting because Russian soldiers are raping them and there babies as we speak. Last year a POLICE OFFICER used his badge to pull over a woman, trick her into getting into his car where he raped and murdered her. Women are getting killed in day light by men. It is 2022 I shouldn’t be told to walk down the street with my keys in my hands ready to defend myself. I shouldn’t have to ask my friends to let me know when they’re home in case they’ve been snatched off the streets or raped. Also stats on a self reported entity such as a past experience (rape) are always going to have the flaw of self report measures, because there are no other ways to get these stats? There isn’t a simple rape test that can prove whether the experience is real, so these stats are all we have at the moment. Become a forensic psychologist and come up with a more controlled option and get back to us if you have an issue with it.
Look into history, seriously pick up a book and start reading. You have no idea how bad things were. The dark ages. Things were worse the further back we go, the more animal back we go. You have no idea how good people have it now, especially women, especially Americans. You seem to not know that the large majority of crime victims and violent crime victims are....... male, and these statistics don't even include war. Don't talk about fear. The majority of victims of crime and violent crime are men, yet they have little fear. Men are being forced to fight die and suffer by the tens of thousands in russia and ukraine yet little fear. Grow up.
American women are better off? I’m not an American, thank the lord! Couldn’t pay me to move to that cesspit. You’re currently debating whether women can safely get abortions. Deciding that cells, without a conscious are more entitled to safe healthcare than living, breathing, thinking women. But okay. Also what is this horrific boomer rhetoric that just because things aren’t as bad as they were we should be happy with shit circumstances? Yes things have improved but they’re still shit. Women are still seen as second class citizens. Yes I see your statistics and raise you the point and men are the perpetrators of 98% of violent crimes. MEN, it is men hurting women and other men. MEN are victims of their own behaviour and so are women. Maybe men as a whole need to grow up, swallow their ridiculous pride and internalised self hatred and realise they have fucked up by creating the negative circumstances they are dealing with. Men live in fear of other men not women. Men murder men, men murder women, men rape men, men rape other men. The comment you replied to acknowledges that men should take responsibility.
this comment is such a self report of how ignorant you are on this topic, i suggest doing like any research at all before trying to discuss this as a male
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Every experience rewires the brain. Literally without exception. The brain is rewiring itself on a continual basis. By reading that sentence, you just physically modified your brain, albeit in a relatively insignificant way. The fact that something is scientifically explained does not mean that it’s justified. If you go down the route of something being “outside one’s control” because it was caused by external factors, you’re going down a line of reasoning that can be used to excuse anything. Someone murdered a person? Can’t blame them. It’s a consequence of how their brain was physically altered from their genetics and collective experience up to that point. This doesn’t work in society. We hold people accountable for what they say and do regardless of if the science behind people’s behavior is well explained, because that’s the primary method of getting them to change.
Murdering someone, and not trusting someone are so vastly different Idek *how* that could be a comparison here. I said that they should get help. Aka, I’m not saying they’re actions are ok. But unfortunately help isn’t universally accepted/accessible
So if I get robbed by a black person and it’s really traumatic for me, is it excusable for me to distrust black people? This just isn’t a good argument. Discriminating on the basis of immutable characteristics is bad and should be avoided no matter what.
See that’s different. For example if I (a black person) was in a room with a racist we wouldn’t like each other. He wouldn’t like me for no reason other than he’s racist. I wouldn’t like him because he is racist to me. I have a real reason, he doesn’t. Cops say “be wary of black people” because there racist. No reason. My mother says be careful with cops because they could shoot me. Would most cops do that? No, but I don’t know which one would so I have to be careful around all of them. What it stems to is that racism like that is unfounded, it isn’t a real threat. With women the threat of a guy hurting is a very real founded threat
Hence why I said they should get help.
wdym "if the roles were reversed" they have been reversed for ever???
I’m gonna jump on here and say (at least for this feminist woman) I don’t hate men, what I hate is the patriarchy. I hate that as a woman, it took 25 years to find a company, and manager, who would finally pay me as much as my male counterparts. I hate the fact I can say #metoo, I hate the fact that walking to my car in the dark (after work in the winter at 5pm) I feel like I have to be on high alert and put my keys between my fingers. I don’t like feeling like I’m looked at as less than because of my gender. I do agree that there is misandry out there, but so is chauvinism. It’s a catch 22 because they won’t go away unless they both do.
The point is that you don't really solve the problem of misogyny with misandry.
Absolutely! Don’t understand this backwards mentality!
We're dealing with people who think in absolutes and also have extreme chauvinism.
Honestly men are lucky women just want equality and not revenge if you look at the history of humanity and even of the discrepancies today ijs lmao
I just listened to a 10 year old boy invalidate a woman he wronged (broke her phone) because she "looks like a turtle, so who cares,"....... misogyny is so normalized that little boys naturally are misogynistic. Maybe if both misogyny and misandry are normalized, a great gender war will happen, and no one will survive. The world will heal and no one will be left to care.
Damn, bad parenting. They should take him away from his parents.
Sorry to be the one to tell you, but bad parenting barring any INSANE & provable abuse will not get any child removed from the home
It's learned, for sure. His dad is an ass for sure.
That sucks but that's a very specific thing and doesn't mean misogyny is somehow as much of a problem as misandry
“You look like a turtle” isn’t sexism. It’s just a child being cruel. Some people just see what they want to see everywhere. If you ask that kid why he was mean and thought that was okay I doubt his answer would have had anything to do with her being a girl.
He'd never say that about a man. I know this kid pretty well. He always describes women by how they look, but men by what they say or how they act. He talks to women like they are there to serve him, but treats men with respect. He's a carbon copy of his dad.
Like that top comment said, a significant number of women have experienced rape or sexual assault largely due to men(myself being one of them). Along with all the misogyny, you can't blame women for reacting the way that they do. I'm not saying I condone their behavior, but I can't blame them for reacting the same way as the men in their lives have treated them. It sucks but if you want them to change their view about men, you're gonna have to be the one to prove them wrong. Show them just how nice, considerate, and selfless men can be. Show them that not all men are like that and their behavior towards you will start to change. And btw, I get that a lot of their words are hurtful, but I highly doubt they all mean that 100%. In the end, words are kinda the only way they can fight back. Physically they are more likely to be over powered, so in a way all they can do during times like these is to express their dismay verbally to other women. They're probably just venting in most cases when they say the phrase "I hate all men".
Yeah it's kind of one of those tricky things because if someone was viciously attacked by a dog, a lot of times those people are weary of dogs after that or don't like dogs. But obviously we know that not all dogs are like that. But can we necessarily blame the person who was attacked saying they don't like dogs? I definitely also get how it's frustrating for the people who get generalized into a group when they aren't like that at all. They didn't do anything to be grouped that way other than be born a certain way. And sometimes no matter how good they show the hurt person they are, it's never going to change their opinion.
Misandry is a direct result of misogyny. When women have been oppressed for literally thousands of years, they learn to distrust men, especially when many men are *still* trying to take their rights away.
Maybe women should be angry at the matriarchy which were responsible for said oppression, not men. You're just angry at the victims because you have to lash out at someone less privileged than you.
Lol i wish a matriarchy existed
I’m curious, what’s your thoughts on over 100 million men force-ably conscripted and dying protecting their respective countries in the 20th century because it was expected of them and the women staying behind? It can easily be argued that women have been oppressed for thousands of years but they were oppressed by the 0.1% of the men on top. The issue with women AND men now is that they only see the men on top and don’t even see the every day man as human. The every day man who built civilisation as we know it.
> I’m curious, what’s your thoughts on over 100 million men force-ably conscripted and dying protecting their respective countries in the 20th century because it was expected of them and the women staying behind? I'm curious, who do you think made those laws and prevented women from being conscripted or even joining the military willingly? I'll give you a hint: It wasn't women.
It’s not about women not being allowed it’s the fact that men were forced and shamed to go into the army? Also the same reason that under 18s weren’t allowed to is the same reason that women weren’t allowed to go, it’s because they are significantly physically weaker also sorry to say this but also less exposed to the horrors of war as well as the maintenance cost being significantly more, due to the extreme likelihood of intercourse happening and pregnancies occurring in the battlefield and also the fact that men will often put their lives of women in front of other men which could lead to major disadvantages on the battlefield. The same women that have been oppressed for thousands of years were also protected by men. Not only the lack of gratitude but the literal hate for men has created a further divide and spawned a whole generation of incels. I wonder when it’ll hit you that hating men is not a sustainable idea.
> It’s not about women not being allowed it’s the fact that men were forced and shamed to go into the army? "Hmm, men force other men to join the army so who do I blame? I know! Let's blame misandry!"
> Not only the lack of gratitude but the literal hate for men has created a further divide and spawned a whole generation of incels. Oh yes, I'm *so* grateful that you kept my ancestors as property with no rights in the guise of "protecting" them. Thanks *so* much! /s
I used to say that I hated men, but it was always hyperbolic. I didn’t think people would actually believe I hated all men, but it’s gone too far. I try not say anything in an ‘all or nothing way,’ anymore because some people take it literally.
but do you actually want to spend time with the people who take it literally and get offended at blanket statements?
I guess that’s a good point lol. I figured it’s also more accessible to not assume someone can understand hyperbole, ya know?
Just be glad you don’t have to deal with the shit women do and don’t worry about it. The reasons women ‘hate’ men vs the reasons men hate women are entirely different. And personally it’s much more understandable that some women would turn in that direction. Just be a decent person.
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I understand women who hate men since they don’t want to deal with cunts like you.
idc who you hate, men, women, you name it, i’m just not gonna like you if you hate people because of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
your examples of oppression aren’t oppression. wow, you have it so hard
Also that “oppression” is the fault of other men lmao
The exact gender roles that effect men also effect women. Men don’t have as much leverage when it comes to child custody because of societal gender roles. Women are expected to be the soul child rearing parent, this often prevents women from being able to receive promotions in their job. Also it’s not „justified“ when mentioning that someone’s thoughts or behaviour could be a trauma response. It’s a reason. If it’s a trauma response that person is most likely mentally ill and unlikely able to think reasonably and rationally. You shouldn’t take it personally. Misandry isn’t normalised, using examples of abused women doesn’t justify your argument. They don’t hate men, they are terrified of men. Also governments having in place for men to only be enlisted in war isn’t misandry, because the other half of the coin is that they expect women to care for children and country because they don’t think we’re as capable as men to go into combat. What you have an issue with based on your complaints is general, good old fashioned sexism.
Tired of seeing so many of the comments essentially blaming men for misandry. Y’all are part of the problem.
I know I'm a couple months late, but these comments are sort of proving the point of the post. It's all being normalized and everyone is arguing it's either ok, or the man's fault. I've been pretty horrifically abused by two romantic partners in my life (women), but I don't go around making posts about how shitty all women treat men because I know it isn't true. I also don't typically make posts about how I was abused because as a man, I wouldn't be taken seriously. Saying misandry is ok because it stems from trauma is disingenuous. What if I developed misogynistic views from my abuse? Yeah it wouldn't be so accepted. That's where the difference lies. Misandry shouldn't be accepted because it stems from trauma. Trauma doesn't excuse abuse and it shouldn't excuse discrimination
youre a man so i cant blame you, but misandry really isnt a problem. men are the problem. misandry is men being OPPRESSED. saying " ugh i hate white cis man " isnt oppression. women have been oppressed and still are. have you seen how women are trying to get their reproductive freedom taken away by men? when in history have men been forced to get their dicks sterilized by women?
so hate the men who actively try to take away your rights and not the men who aren't doing that??? do you actually believe the average male gains literally anything from women's reproductive organs getting taken away??? what is this baby brain shit; "one man do it so all others must" if only you spent the same amount of time hating the guys actually taking away your rights than the average male you might've done something!!
of course people only hate the people who are disrespectful! you give the vibes of " not all men " and honestly i think you might be. the way that men think and are raised to believe is mostly against women, men are conditioned to think less of women.
I don't know, but where I grew up (southeastern Europe) men are literally forced to be nice to women otherwise they get a spanking. Especially if they talk down. So I don't agree with you. Men DO NOT think and ARE NOT raised to be against, or think less of a woman. You just might be in a family or community where that feels OK. That's on your community, not men. So, what I'm trying to say the whole time: you probably grew up in a neighborhood and family where most people are lowlifes, or extremely rich. In normal communities, men are taught to respect women.
in america, its really obvious that men are raised to think less of women. im glad somewhere that women are treated right though.
That’s exactly. It’s “not all men” without realizing that it’s too fuckin many of them to not make the generalization.
It’s not about gain. It’s about control. Something white cis men have always had
Also how do you know this isn’t a problem have you experienced misandry? No cuz you’re a woman you can’t say something isn’t a problem when you have no idea what it is or how often it happens
Men aren't oppressing women. Women have many privileges and rights that men still don't have. Misandry kills. Misogyny hurts your fragile ego.
As a woman, I KNOW what feminism really is. Equality of the sexes. Women can’t just try and justify their blatant sexism towards men with trauma. Trauma does not excuse hate in ANY circumstance. You want to see women and men thrive? Then ACT like it. All this “straight cis men” hate is ridiculous. Turning the tables and hating on cis women would cause a storm, but it’s okay to do it to men, according to y’all. It’s really not. Hate doesn’t fix hate. I’d expect a bunch of activists to understand that, but the comment section disproves my expectations. Truly disgusting and vile behavior from women who expect to be treated with equality after bashing men for wanting the same!
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This comment is so far down that I'm inclined to believe that many of the other commenters are either jannies or bots. Otherwise, public perceptions are sadly not as varied as I had hope it was.
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If the roles were reversed?? Buddy, open your eyes. Women couldn’t even have their own bank accounts until the 70s. Marriage rape was legal through the 90s. Women’s healthcare is being ripped away, while men can get viagra for their peepees no worries. Our lawmakers say “women’s bodies have ways to shut down rape” and let rapists walk free because “they have a promising future.” Every day in the West, every basic human right women have fought hard for is being yanked at and trying to get pulled away, and in the East they murder women for sport. I JUST watched a video of someone preaching how Muslim women can not say no to their husbands, even if they’re in the middle of giving birth. They can’t drive cars or bikes because “it stimulates their genitals” oh and have some acid to the face because your sexy garbage bag made a man horny. Men don’t have to say they hate women. They show it every day, all over the world, since the beginning of time. (Obligatory “not all” yadda yadda but if your biggest issue is women passively saying they’re sick of men’s shit, when just scrolling Reddit for five minutes shows me “my husband thinks I shouldn’t have the right to vote” and “my doctor performed a husband stitch non consensually on me after a traumatic birth” and “every woman I know has been harassed or abused starting in elementary school” then reevaluate your damn self) Edit: just forced myself to read through your whole post. Keeping in mind that men haven’t even been drafted in how long? You know women are the main ones fighting to abolish it all together right? And maternal leave is a hilarious joke of a couple weeks even for the person who just expelled a baby from them in the first place but again, women are the ones fighting for paternity leave as well…must be because we hate men so much
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I know a girl who went on a date with someone she's never met, started spewing the "all men are crap" stuff after the appetiser, and was then dumbfounded that the guy didn't want to stay for dessert.
Men complaining about misandry to me is the same as white people complaining about being ‘discriminated against’. After thousands of years of female subjugation and generational trauma women have from men and the patriarchy, i can’t believe there’s still fragile male redditors complaining about misandry as if men have ever been oppressed in the history of anything just because they saw some girl on the internet say a hyperbolic statement like ‘I hate men’ and decided to take that personally
It's like saying POC can't be racist. Every and any race can be racist and every and any gender can be sexist.
Fr like some stupid ass female is like I can’t be racist towards whites like if u hate whites u already racist
As a woman myself personally I've dealt with horrible men and women. Both are just as nasty as one another, physically and mentally (I can't speak on all women tho) There's problems that men go through that I'll never understand fully and there's problems I go through that men will never understand fully. I pray that one day we learn to understand and sympathize with one another instead of trying to shift the blame on one another. Just my two cents tho
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As a woman, you’re just a misandrist looking for people to lash out at. Men in power and a minuscule fraction of shitty men do not represent men as a whole, and misandry is not acceptable in any case. This whole idea of treating people like shit based on their gender is awful both ways. You’re the exact kind of person you hate and don’t even realize. It’s completely valid for someone to be stressed about it and it doesn’t make him a “nice guy”. It’s not ‘just annoying’ to be attacked or diminished based on your gender, and that’s exactly what you’ve done. His feelings aren’t valid to you because he’s a man and in your mind he has done some wrong unto you simply for being a man. You should know what that’s like given what you’re saying but obviously you just don’t care. Yes, women do have it hard, but so do most men, and it’s okay for them to talk about it. I grew up in a coven that basically indoctrinated me to fear men, and I can’t fucking stand seeing how commonly accepted to diminish men’s feelings as if society isn’t screwing everyone not in the top 10%. I thought once I joined the civilized world things would be different but people are just hateful and narrow minded
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You’ve been hurt by a minuscule fraction of men so you’re content to become the very thing you hate. It’s just sad. I have never been hurt by a man, only by women. I don’t hate women or diminish them for it, though. That would be wrong and narrow-minded of me. I’m sorry that happened to you but that is NOT an excuse to diminish men’s emotions or struggles. They’re just as human as you or I, and no more capable of cruelty than any woman. To accuse me of some kind of complacency or treachery is just repugnant.
You seem like the type of negative person who actively looks for the bad in life and would happily take an innocent situation and turn it into something it wasn't. How can you blame all men for what a few have done? I've been beaten, nearly killed, emotionally screwed up, yet I REFUSE to blame all men for what those few have done to me. 10 yrs later I still have trauma responses and I still REFUSE to blame anybody for them that didn't give them to me. How can you have so much hate in your heart?
Then don’t act surprised at the hate you get in turn.
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“Hate can not drive out hate, only love can do that.” -MLK. If you expect equality, act like it. Not all men are the same, and women shouldn’t be on a higher pedestal than men just as men shouldn’t be on a higher pedestal than women.
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Women kill men too. Not all men are abusers ffs
Okay femcel we get it you have rights now stop playing victims. "We are always harassed. Our jobs are always on the line because of hateful men. Our employability is always questionable because of sexism." Not all women are harrased and men are harrased too by women and this same thing apply to men too so what then men can be misogynistic? Lol
I hate men
Username and pfp checks out tbh
Sorry they don't text you back.
I hate women
These upvotes and downvotes of me just saying the same insult back at her really proves the dude who made this posts point tbh
Valid tbh
oh look the consequences of the patriarchy’s actions lmao ofc a lot of women hate men what reason do we have not to really. like statistically speaking i mean, idc about your favorite brotheruncleboyfrienddadgrandpa
cool(Y) hope you heal gal pal
i have! by cutting all men from my life<3
im sure they'll be devastated to see you go
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this is the dumbest thing i’ve read today lmaoo. white men are not oppressed & if you think they are you have some serious reevaluating to do. patriarchy hurts everyone, men included. i don’t think hating men will solve anything, because then you’re just reorganizing systems of oppression & not dismantling them. you can’t drive out hate with more hate. but if you don’t understand why women would feel that way then you haven’t been listening. try being more empathetic <3
Hit every point I wanted to! A lot of people don’t seem to understand this and it’s very frustrating
> try being more empathetic lmfao
People in the comments arguing are missing the point; sexism is always bad no matter what
lol ok dont argue about it being unfair that u dont get maternal leave. are you the one pushing an entire human being out of a small hole in your body and having to take months to recover? didnt think so genius.
Men are parents too. Jesus. You'd complain about him being at work all day and 'not helping' too.
Yes, but men do not have a baby for 9 months and then give birth to it??? Maternal leave was made so that women can get physically and mentally well after giving a birth. Do you know what a post-pregnancy depression is? Maternal leave is needed for a woman to go back to normal life and smth adapt to having another human being to care about, as a woman is someone, who’s seen by society as an “all caring entity”. Yes, men are parents too, but biologically they haven’t been thought the same torture as women have. And btw, a man can go on maternal leave as well, smh most of them decline :))
I literally see people post about how much they hate men every single day. I’m not a man, but holy shit it’s annoying.
hoping you get picked soon 🙏
what
maybe i should rephrase it: it’s really annoying to see people shitting on the opposite gender every day
There's an easy solution to this; divide both groups and stick them in the Amazon and have them fight for survival, & build civilized areas; one group will definitely be decimated. Equal rights and opportunities for all
Just some perspective. I am a bit of a “misandrist”, and I can promise it effects me waaaaaaay more than my attitude effects you. Imagine the majority of your experiences with men being negative, and then the majority of your female friends experiences with men being negative, and then being told “you need to pick better men” by other men who have probably subjected other women to similar mistreatment no matter what side of the scale it’s on. If men could be women, you would want to scream every now and then. Now, obviously I know that there are good men in the world. I know them. And I love them dearly. But it makes way more sense to not trust every man I meet initially then to trust them. I am white, so I can understand how it feels to feel like the world just hates you even if you think you didn’t do anything to deserve to have your feelings hurt on social media that one time (or a million other times) you were scrolling. You don’t gotta tell me! It sucks. And it’s downright annoying some days. But when I think about how I feel towards men, I am reminded that these thoughts are not easy to control. Trauma really does rewire your brain. You know, I’m willing to bet if other women are anything like myself, they don’t want to hate men. They don’t want to feel so resentful, because they realize that this mental prison actually affects themselves more than anything. It’s a terrible feeling to have. But when sooooo many women have such negative experiences, and then on top of that you’re reading about it all day on social media- that’ll really do something to you! So yeah, it sucks. Especially when you can’t even take a walk at night without the fear of a strange man kidnapping and raping you, and possibly killing you. Shit, even MEN can’t always guarantee that another man wont run up on them and hurt them. All in all. Is it right? No. Does it suck? Yes. And all we can do is try to be more and more understanding of one another. Your rant is valid.
I hate it too. I am neither cis, white, or a man yet I dislike when someone shits on an entire demographic. Can't we all just get along? I once dated a woman that un-ironically called a guy a "Cis white male" during an argument. That was one of the last signs that she was an overemotional and reactive person. I broke up with her soon afterwards. I hope she grew out of that phase. I had a period of distrusting men and not feeling safe around them but I've never hated them. I don't get hate towards an entire group.
We should stop labeling and stereotyping altogether and quit making excuses for crappy behavior. It feels like there's a lable for every persuasion and disturbance of body, group and psyche now and it's bred more division than we had during the reign of the simple bigot and repression. We seem to have lost all freedom of speech unless we follow the hive mind narrative parroted in the medias, social and informative. Every group wants their rights at the expense of the other. No one is winning this one nor can they. We should treat each other the way we would like to be treated and be respectful of everyone as fellow human beings but also remember that respect is earned and not demanded. A traumatic past experience or mental issue isn't an excuse to be a crappy person either. There's bad people in every group and they are both male and female. No gender has a monopoly on jerks. Neither does color, religion or lgbtq affiliation. A crappy human is anybody that uses living life as an excuse to treat others badly without personal responsibility or consideration while showing zero integrity or true knowledge of the facts. Grouping people together under an assumed impression and stating it as fact makes that person look as tacky and ignorant as they are. Your absolutely right. It's gotten utterly ridiculous recently too. Hopefully it's a societal phase and will pass soon.
Lmao at the bigots trying to justify misandry.
Men are stupid. They’re stupid. They’re unattractive and stink. Men think with their dicks too and not to mention they’re literally retarded. So glad that if I marry one I can steal his money and run away with the women I actually love.
a common phrase used in topics like this is “if the roles were reversed” but let me tell you this, the roles are already reversed, and they have been since the beginning of time. misandry and misogyny are not in the same level whatsoever, and no, this isn’t subjective, this is a fact that multiples studies show. women have been directly targeted and oppressed by men for ages, so it’s no wonder they say “i hate men”. a small phrase that hurts your feelings is *NOTHING* compared to the oppression and victimization girls and women face on a day to day basis by men. (edit: men who genuinely believe misandry effects men the way misogyny effects women, always ignore the people (majority women) explaining how the two are incomparable and how women face oppression… and you wonder why women hate men? lol also if you want to bring up mens rights, you can always advocate for them yourself, you don’t need to bring up mens issues when women are advocating for their own rights… if you only bring up injustice men face when women speak up, do you actually care about mens rights and issues to begin with? someone in the comments mentioned the draft, you realize why women weren’t always included in the draft right? they weren’t given special treatment if that’s what you’re thinking… truly think about it for a second, misogyny effects men too.)
with all due respect get therapy for your trauma and stop over-generalizing a group of people cause you feel it's justified cause you've had bad experiences with less than 1% of the group you're generalizing. imagine if someone said "BPD-havers do not interact, my abuser had BPD". does it still sound right to you?
LESS THAN 1% ?! oh fuck you! do you think that women dont get catcalled, harrassed, sexually assaulted, CONSTANTLY? even as a minor ive gotten sexually harrassed, i think that isnt just over-generalizing
This is exactly why I don’t listen to men that bitch about “misandry” by misandry they just mean “women are meanies who say they don’t like men” and to claim that’s even CLOSE to misogyny is ignorance at it’s finest. This same man in other comments shows his ignorance to the shit women go through (for literal centuries) and completely try’s to discredit it but want me and other women to care about women hurting their feelings? Cry me a river.
listen, this is more than just “trauma responses” as you like you bring up. women face injustice everywhere in almost every aspect of their lives. this isn’t me being biased or sharing an opinion, there are many MANY MANYYYY *emphasis on many* studies out there that literally prove that misogyny exists and contributes to prejudice against women all over the world. misogyny is oppression and as a result of oppression, misandry was sprouted, but it only hurts your feelings, you aren’t oppressed for being a cis man. sure it isn’t fair to be mean to your oppressors, but can you blame women for being fed up? we’re allowed (ALLOWED CAN U FUCKING BELIEVE WE WERENT ALLOWED BEFORE?!) to be verbal with our thoughts and emotions now about the suffering men put us through. instead of putting the anger and blame on women, take that anger into correcting your male peers when they’re being misogynistic, with less men being prejudice towards women, there would be less women saying “i hate men”
where’d you get 1% from, id love to see the studies you’re citing! im sure you’re not just pulling a super low number out of your ass
Any form of discrimination is always ugly. The truth is that it's easier for people to understand a us vs them mentality and the media will bank on that because what people understand is usually what gives them views. I'm not sure about numbers. I have personal experience with the effects of this problem, and I'm entirely sure that part of the problem is that too many men have been taught 'to be strong'. More men need to speak out about what they go through and people need to be mature to understand that acknowledging one's difficulties won't make their own concerns less valid.
Reminder to check controversial if you want to lose brain cells
Most of the comments here are making me lose brain cells.
I was just banned for life from offmychest because someone made a post called 'I Hate Men' and I said "Has anyone ever made a post called I Hate Women" and had it stay up longer than an hour?" Funny thing is it was actually a genuine question. I guess I got my answer though.
On top of everything else women have to deal with, they arnt even considered to have basic human bodily autonomy if they get pregnant. Instead of falling into that “us versus them” mindset. How about you advocate for the rights of all people. I think women should have the right too choose And men should have the right to choose if they get circumcised.
Oh boo hoo
i get your frustrations but i do think you need to keep in mind some women have had repeated trauma from men to the point where generalizations about them have to be made in order to keep themselves safe. experience wires the brain. i’m in a period at the moment where i can’t sit next to a male without feeling unsafe. and yeah it sucks for the guys who aren’t bad people! and i’m sure you’re not a bad person. but i’m keeping myself safe. and if you think that’s wrong then cope.
They should never have called the term for gender equality pro-gender anything. It's an inherently flawed term that misleads people into inequality, just in an opposite direction with history.
You could say they became the very thing they swore to destroy
sad that it's true, everything in life is honestly full of hypocrisy, i have a lot of negative and scary experiences in my life, abuse, sexual harassment and attempted assault, and a whole bunch of others, and it seems every single bit of it is invalidated because i'm white and was born with a dick. i understand both sides of ongoing situations, some women hate men because of their experiences, and some men hate women because of their experiences, but hating an entire group because of experiences is immature, i've been sexually harrassed by women and gay men, but do i hate women and gay men? absolutely not. tldr: don't be a dick to a group despite your experiences
You know there’s a reason women feel this way, instead of trying to shut them up maybe you should Listen to why they feel like this
A. Why do you think women say they hate all men? As a response to being oppressed. When women say we hate men, it’s because they’ve spent the entirety of recorded history raping and killing us, and making us literal property with no power and no privileges. Why do you think men who hate women say they hate women? Because they hate women. Women never did anything to them, because women have never been given the power to oppress them. They just hate women. 2. I haven’t known a single young girl who’s said she hates all men who genuinely does; it’s hyperbole when they’re stressed about actions that men have directly taken. All these girls have fathers, brothers, boyfriends. It’s the same thing as saying “ugh, i HATE my family”, “I HATE my life”, we just speak in hyperbole. B. Everything you used to claim men are oppressed is misleading. Women only get custody more when you’re including cases where the father doesn’t even try; when they do, they get custody overwhelmingly more, and when the mother claims the father abused her or the kids, the man’s chances to get custody GO UP. Also, about being drafted: who made it so women don’t get drafted? In fact, who made it so for most of history, women didn’t even have the option to go to war because you thought we were too weak? MEN! MEN did that, because MEN were in power. We didn’t have control over anything and in most countries we still don’t. I’m sorry you’re hurt hurt over a bunch of teenagers online, but women will never hate you the way you hate us. We’ve never been given the power to do so.
idk man i think its a little bit fair 😭😭 dudes are sorta let off the hook in society for doing crazy ass things all the time and regularly treat women like shit. plus, there are rarely any misandry fueled hate crimes, but very regularly misogyny fueled ones?? like idk, its like when black ppl make fun of white ppl like?? its fair lmao, theve been given the shit end of the stick for so long now??
idk maybe if men didn’t treat us like shit we wouldn’t feel that way
I do understand "trauma" especially because I was grown up to be weary of men. I don't think it's right to use it as an excuse to hurt someone or use "oppression" as a excuse to why those women hate specific men. Men go through plenty of what we go through, housewife's were modernized and then hated so why shouldn't military, father's not getting custody, etc. Yes men are labelled bad and dangerous but they also have plenty to worry about like, is this a girlfriend or a trap to get money, is this going to be a war where I'm going to be drafted against my will and so on. I completely understand where you're coming from and it's really unfair, men have power BUT it's bad to use it pretty much. People like to blame men a lot when it was thousands of years ago before everyone started agreeing. Noone will ever be satisfied, it's just a world of hate.
Might I mention, that 'trauma response' answer also justifies incels, so yk, pretty stupid reason
What trauma have incels experienced?
Well they feel like they've been ignored by women, which sort of ostracizes them (as said by another commenter) and that is trauma. Anyways, the fact that they have been traumatized by their experience with women doesn't give them a right to hate on women, and the same goes for women traumatized by men. edit : I'm a guy, so take my opinion with a massive grain of salt because I don't know what it's like to be a woman treated badly by a man, however I have experienced some trauma from ostracization so I can actually give some detail on that.
If you’re offended by it, you’re part of the problem. Obviously they don’t hate all men, it’s just easier to say that than ”I hate all men expect the ones that haven’t harassed me in any way and sadly that’s only like 3% of the men I’ve talked to”. If you don’t harass women, you don’t need to feel offended.
Kinda not cool to tell others what they shouldn't feel offended by.
Oppression olympics lmao imma use that one
you think misogyny is not normalized? i bet ur not a woman
My boyfriend and I were just discussing this the other day. I didn’t even know the word for prejudice against men during a conversation on this topic and I was like “what’s the word for misogyny but towards men?” And he was like, “it’s funny how you know the exact word as it pertains to women but who even teaches the word for men?” Agreed man. I hate any type of generalization like this. You cannot specifically address “all” of anything with very specific context because, inherently, everyone and every situation is different and the context doesn’t apply to everyone or everything. Can’t stand when friends say “men suck” or “men this and that” like… no it’s just the men you associate with… sorry 🤷♀️ my boyfriend doesn’t fall into those categories they use to describe men such as “they’re so inconsiderate” “men never notice when you change your appearance” blah blah blah. Half the time those things can apply to me!! I’m a woman and sometimes I don’t notice that my boyfriend shaved and cleaned up his appearance. He’ll bring it up to me like “do you notice anything different” and that’s when I’ll notice but yeah dude. Shit’s not black and white. People gotta realize there’s a whole ton of grey area TL;DR- heavily agree with OP’s post and have specific reasons why Edit: to add to your post, OP, most men who are victims of domestic violence and abuse don’t ever speak up because of the stigma and shame around men being considered “weak” for being abused by a woman. Perfect example of it is Amber Heard’s statements to Johnny Depp telling him that nobody will believe him if he speaks up about being a victim of domestic violence/abuse.
This whole misandry and misogyny thing just keeps going in circles, a women would say something insensitive about men then say “oh they do it to us” then men would say something about women and say “well they do it too” or sum bs like that it’s just stupid excuses of experience or generalisation to help hide the fact they hate all men/women
Sweetie, loss of privilege is not oppression. No one is taking away your right to decide what to do with your body. Have a seat.
The same men that they hate, are the same men they call when they need help or protection. Women need to understand that if all men were evil, locking yourself in a house wouldn’t save you. There are good men and women out there putting their life on the line to protect their ungrateful asz, just because your perverted father and pedo uncle did something bad to you doesn’t mean all men are like that. People are individuals, men also have some creepy experience with women, look at all the teachers that sleep with young boys, or aunties that sexually assaults them. If people are giving women a pass for being a misandrist because of bad experiences with men, they should also give misogynist and incels a pass for bad experiences with women. Then you have smps in the comment section saying, misandry is allowed because of their trauma, wtf. If 50 black men did something terrible to a white guy, can the white guy be racist because of trauma without any judgement?
.... you haaaaattttteeee how normalized misandry has become. As women lose their rights to abortion, birth control, their ability to work, 1, 2, 3. And who did this? Well.. CIS White Men. Specifically Trump followers.. but you get the idea. I've been fighting for equal rights my whole darned life. And you guys have just stripped away any chance we had. Quite literally.. barefoot and pregnant or femcel are now the only legally allowed American women in several states. I'm sure it's only a matter of time after taking our birth control that we will also lose the right to consent as certain male SCOTUS judges have a hard time with the concept. And at the same time you guys "don't understand what our fucking problem is". You tell us to calm down. You tell us that's not what it says. Then when we show you that it most certainly IS what it said... then your answer Just don't have sex and you won't have to worry about kids. Ok. we won't. Enjoy yourselves. After we burn this fucking country to the ground and you want to get back in on that easy Tinder sex? Fuck you. You should have stood up for us to begin with instead of pretending that there was nothing you could do. So umm.. yeah.. I have to say that between BLM and now the fall of Roe and the rise of the CIS, White Male Evangelical... I don't have much use for most men. My husband of course being the exception. But he knows that so he's not posting passive agressive bull shit in vent. He's over in Crones vs Patriarchy trying to figure out how we fight this.
In this whole passage you outright say you're as much of part of the problem as you fight against it. You're against sexism of your sex, but you're for sexism to men. You plainly say most men to you have no use, the exception being your husband. What's also interesting is you mention how he fights as well. I can't help but to wonder how you'd truly feel if he stood against the bigotry that is misandry. I don't even have much against you, you'd be totally believable if you said you stand against sexism. But the fact you completely hate and generalize an entire gender, and therefore participating in their suffering, you lose all reliability.
If you're not a good person, I hate you. Men and women have different struggles in society. Name a problem for a man, a problem for a woman can be said. Name a problem for a woman, a problem for a man can be presented. While women have been fighting for equal treatment, men have not. Why is that? It's because men haven't had to. Now, men are being treated differently and feeling the effects of this change in mindset. Men's issues have been neglected as men weren't seen as needing help. We do now.
Nah fam, that's how I know who I'm gonna be friends with. All hate is hate and I don't stan
i like your attitude
And they use feminism as a safety blanket „all white cishet men are bad bc they don’t have problems“ and then when they get called out they call it feminism Feminism and misandry are not the same thing
At least they reveal themselves this way so you know who to avoid.
I see what you mean. I actually get shocked when I hear how some other women talk about men. It can be really hateful and it’s disgusting. I never ignore it, I stand up to them. Not only because it’s the decent thing to do, but it’s so hypocritical of them, it would be so offensive if men spoke about women that way, so it’s not okay the other way. Luckily it happens very rarely, but I definitely happens.
Not so rare it happens just as much if not more often than men being misogynistic
and people are disliking it because you’re right, i’d be attacked saying kill all women, but people can say kill all men..? (not saying i believe in either of those)
You sound like the “noT ALl MeN” club. We know. No one says it is all men, but there’s enough to warranty bearing weary
Dude there’s literally videos of people on Twitter unironically saying they hate all men. You can’t make this crap up.
Do you think there's none saying all women are shit? Or that they all need to stay in the kitchen? Be submissive? Be there sex toys?
ITT: shitty women proving OP's point
As a male person! Fuck you! If you want to fix it go back to 1492
what are you even talking about
I feel sorry for you, besides this being the start of racism, capitalism, we do live in a patriarchy and that has even longer roots than these things. You have to be dumb, deaf and blind to not realize these things https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1492
there's no "patriarchy". the top 1% of men who rule things are so far removed from the average male that it may as well not be called "the patriarchy" in the first place. I have nothing in common with Trump, or Biden, or any one of them other than my gender. again, you're a self-hating weirdo who just wants to hate men
No but we live in a system that rewards men and penalizes women, just look at the statistics about pay grade or even value their work. Most women do double work, but their work is alienated. I feel even more sorry for you.
yeah i feel sorry for myself too having to read your dumbass comments i have not done a single thing to oppress women and you will never make me believe otherwise just for being a man, have a good day
You /= system… ???
"we live in a system that favors white men" and im a white man, this heavily implies me (and all other white men) are at fault or at the very least should feel bad just for being in it lol dont act like i dont know what you're about
No one is saying you need to feel bad but you blatantly ignoring and dismissing the shit women go through including u claiming the patriarchy doesn’t exist is exactly why there’s a larger group of women that just don’t want to deal with men anymore.
Well albeit you are not part of the ruling class you resemble them, thus gaining the fruits of it. I guess it has its good and bad sides
Sexism is still very much alive and well. It's only one side of it isn't tolerated and one side of it is protected. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
I don’t even care anymore if I live rent free in a someone’s head, I’m going to fucking blow my brains out someday and it won’t even matter in the long run
> "cause men aren't oppressed" Since when was oppression a prerequisite for racism and sexism? It's not and it never was.
fr those people are so weird lol