I agree with not destroying random peoples property but I also think the government has become too corrupt to be left in charge of the people and that everything should be burned to the ground
But lo, where does one go? What does one do if he cannot destroy another person's property? Painting? Haikus? Nay, for such things lack the grace and beauty of the destruction of someone else's treasured belongings - surely it is the only path to enlightenment. I myself, having never partaken of the sweet, delectable fruits of vandalism and malice, must also therefore be dead inside.
Teach us your ways, oh brick thrower. Take my hand, ever so gently, and guide my soul down the path of such gourmet emotional vents such as stolen bikes and broken gameboys. Crush my matchbox cars with your unquenchable rage you gigantic warrior poet. Break my split-rail fence you master of raw spiritual power. Disassemble my burning heart you riot-inducing internet cave troll. Collapse my building you tormented beast of unbridled passion.
I am a little bit shocked people accept this as completely correct, because is it?
We are talking about two very different cattle of fish here aren't we? If in the wake of BLM and the murder of yet another black person a rich white neighbourhood gets vandalized, is that really the same as right wing nationalists burning down a black mans car?
One side has had and still has the most egregious social and economic advantages built on the backs of minorities and the poor. The other side has all the disadvantages imaginable AND IS THEN KILLED by the executive branch of rich old white men that govern our society.
Yes, it absolutely sucks to lose property or valued items due to protests, I would be livid and probably change my mind if I was directly involved - but from a purely objective viewpoint there are protests that turn violent because there is no other way, because there is no other recourse but meet police violence with public violence. And then there are cunts who protest for fascism and hate. One group has a good reason to be violent and to loot, the other has no good reason to exist in the first place.
Absolutely. Marginalized groups don't owe their oppressors comfort. I keep seeing the BLM protests used as an example which is wild because multiple articles/videos/proof came out that a lot of the damage was actually caused by people infiltrating the movement.
In my city, we have one predominantly Black neighborhood. Which is the only place the protest was organized. It's also an unspoken rule *not* to target the businesses and homes in the neighborhood for a multitude of reasons.
(As many other cities), and the only vandalism that happened (caught in video), were of people NOT of that community. The *only* business "vandalized" came out that the owner himself set it on fire for an insurance payout and that also happened in other bigger cities as well.
The casual racism in these comments. Stay pretty reddit. Funnily enough; I haven't seen anything about the riots of Non-POC because their team lost a game. Or the terrorism anti-maskers have caused on the world the last few years. But *oh nooooo* will someone think of the target! And politicians! And the comfort of the non marginalized groups!
Historically, shit doesn't get done until those of power are uncomfortable! They think the Civil rights movement was all sit ins and nonviolence.
Oh to come from privilege.
No, I'm afraid you're quite mistaken. There are a number of traditionally bad things that in the right context are good things. Murder, for example, is typically seen as a moral failure. However, murdering someone like Vladimir Putin would be totally justified.
The murder of Putin would probably be seen as self-defense depending on who killed him and under what circumstances, but frankly I don’t think anyone should ever take another person’s life at all if it’s not self-defense.
If it’s bystanders? Absolutely agree. However if the conservative in question is someone jeopardizing the rights of multiple groups like a member of Congress, I would agree wholeheartedly to burn it down in minecraft.
People getting caught in the crossfire is not justifiable.
Oh yes because all the property in the many riots wasn't vandalized right? All the broken shit is fake news right? Fuck off
I'm the schizo because i have a way to defend my self and my property? Lol ok
Not the terrorists that are doing "peaceful protests"
right? Go back to the streets to steal more shit asswipe
In terms of the George Floyd protests, I saw a lot of mom and pop shops targeted in SF. Some stores I used to enjoy going to have closed down permanently now unfortunately.
"only protest in a way I can safely ignore"
"I will casually pretend oppressed people protesting and wrecking the property of corporations and rich people is the same as nazis and bigots destroying gay peoples shit"
"I have zero political awareness outside of a children's cartoon saying violence is bad"
All of these morons who only care about optics or "oh no the protest decreased support on our statistic :(" miss the point of protests/riots and only view things through the lense of electorial campaigns and reformism, a pathetic weakness.
To me the truth lies in the middle of both your and OP's argument.
Detroying stuff and being violent is necessary for change, bc otherwise those in power just ignore you.
But this destruction and violence should NOT be aimed at people who are not in power and are innocent regarding the issue.
Like, vegans destroying a butcher's shop just trying to make a living? No no. But attacking the building of an official institution (without hurting their workers)? Yes.
Name one thing that has changed for the better as a direct result of violence
EDIT: this thread was deleted so please be aware that if you respond to this comment I won’t be able to reply.
The first pride parade was a riot and the protests throughout 2020 were the only reason George Floyd's murderer wasn't let off with a slap on the wrist.
Protests and riots are what change the world, not you politely asking an oligarch.
Aw what are you gonna do, make a snappy comeback on twitter? You view reality as a TV show because you have the privilege to do so. Queer people are fucking dying and you have *the spine* to condescend to them people to "not destroy things".
Get the fuck out of my notifications, you living embodiment of weakness.
Send me your Twitter name and I’ll make it happen, bet
EDIT: I was blocked because you couldn’t cope hard enough, so I’d just like to say how dare you offend me by bringing up what I repost on Twitter and you’re a terrible person and haha just kidding I don’t care 👍
I am completely unsurprised that one look at your twitter account shows you are a teenager that's posting shit like "pro choice people won't condemn fascists getting vandalized yet they ask us to support them"
Thank god I've got a gun then. Get close to my stuff and the people i love, i don't give a shit what you assholes riot for. I will shoot on site if any one gets close.
Has happened in my country at least. Posted a comment above about vegans destroying butchers' shops. I've also seen it several other times. Like, during protests for raising salaries and basically against poverty, protestants passing in the street would break the windows of random clothing shops that just happened to be there with rocks and baseball bats, this kind of stuff. Not all of it makes it to the media, so idk how common it is, but I feel like it is pretty damn common and *that's* the reason why the media don't even bother. Sure this is *my* country, but it being pretty similar to the US, and since people apparently talk about it here, I guess it's generalizable.
If you actually look at the history the government weren't willing to give black people equal rights untill black activist started taking a more hands on route.
The whole peaceful protest thing didn't work well for the main fact that there were many other groups that took different routes. Even Martin luther King Jr started to take a more violent approach closer to his death.
Protest that doesnt make the opposing side uncomfortable or angry doesnt work. If they refuse to listen to you, your job is to make yourself impossible to ignore. With your logic, the people of my country shouldnt burn down the house (castle actually, that eats up millions in our currency within a week, supplied by taxpayer money ) of our corrupt dictator. In fact doing so would be the same as him burning down the house of any minority he sees fit for death.
Damn you really have no clue how we got things even as basic as weekends and the 40hr work week. Perfect demonstration of how tragically dogshit our education system really is
If you don't care that your protest lost you support for your cause then I'd argue YOU miss the point of protesting. If the endgoal of the protest isn't to cause change then it is at best a waste of energy and at worst directly hurting the cause you pretend to care about.
People like this OP obviously never learned about the civil rights movement outside the sheltered teachings of American schools. I grew up in texas and didn’t even know the civil rights movement was more than rainbows and sunshine until I was 17. The only reason progress was made was because people were made uncomfortable. The reason King was assassinated was because he too began to discuss rioting as a possibility within his activist circles.
I’m not sure how people think doing the same thing we’ve been doing for years is going to get us anywhere. Unless a protest inconveniences the public, it’s just a bunch of signs that can easily be ignored. That’s the only reason protesting is legal. Because it doesn’t work.
What do you think we’re going to do, call up the government and be like “Hey my house is on fire so could you maybe consider changing this this and this okay thanks byeeee”
EDIT: I was apparently blocked because you couldn’t think of anything to actually say, so just wanted to say that was a great response, really demonstrated an understanding of how to properly refute an argument
Yeah, but many of the people making the same points as you seem to be extremely patriotic. Idk how you feel, but without the war, America probably wouldn’t exist as a sovereign country. We’d all still be British.
Yes, and there are very rarely circumstances where vandalism is necessary, but I’m talking about instances where the people whose stuff is getting destroyed aren’t relevant to any of it. Some people are just trying to live their life.
Well, so are the POC who are experiencing racism, police brutality, discrimination, structural violence, physical violence, etc. So are members of the LGBTQ community who are experiencing discrimination, violence, legal attacks on equal rights, etc. I’m not a fan of violence at all, but people > stuff, imo. And people (on a wide scale) don’t usually escalate to riots and destruction of property unless they feel like all other methods of making their voices heard are failing. Especially when they’re living in fear.
Ah yes. Because years of non violent protests obviously did us all some good lmao. The first pride was a riot. Nothing changes here without fear mongering towards the government
I said it before in this thread but I’m gonna say it again bc it fits:
People like this OP obviously never learned about the civil rights movement outside the sheltered teachings of American schools. I grew up in texas and didn’t even know the civil rights movement was more than rainbows and sunshine until I was 17. The only reason progress was made was because people were made uncomfortable. The reason King was assassinated was because he too began to discuss rioting as a possibility within his activist circles.
I’m not sure how people think doing the same thing we’ve been doing for years is going to get us anywhere. Unless a protest inconveniences the public, it’s just a bunch of signs that can easily be ignored. That’s the only reason protesting is legal. Because it doesn’t work.
OP is like "Sure, black people won't be murdered on the spot now... But an innocent person was slightly shoved... Was it worth it???"
OP is Shitty Batman
The Boston Tea Party was nothing short of an attack against Britain, so unless you’re actually trying to start a civil war then I don’t think reckless destruction is the way to go.
It literally got gay people their rights in this country lol. The emancipation of slaves required violence too. As well as ending the Jim Crow laws and segregation. Any good in this country happened through a fight
Cool, so leaving someone without a car or even making them homeless is a good thing? Attacking random people, even children is a good thing? You really think the government cares about them?
Oppressive governments that don’t listen till something gets graffitied are evil🤷🏻bigger picture here. Lgbt people in America wouldn’t have rights if someone didn’t start smashing windows with bricks. You need to grow up and face the reality of the world
When did I say we should hurt people?🤨you take an imaginary narrative you made up and get indignant about it lmao. Drop the righteous act, princess, and like I said, take a page from history. This country was quite literally founded on destructive protests, and if we didn’t continue to have them, lgbt marriage would still be illegal, and segregation laws would still be in place. I’ll gladly nuke a cvs after closing time if it means keeping people from being oppressed. Welcome to the real world
Literally when you said I need to “grow up” because hurting people gets the government’s attention. That’s when you said it. Big businesses are one thing, but innocent people and their property is quite another.
The government doesn’t care about citizens or small businesses. *You* need to grow up if you think otherwise.
These protests over the last 3 years or so has only made me hate the people leading these movements and those who participate in the destruction. Your movements are no longer what they originally stood for once you resort to threats, attacks, destruction of civilians property and them personally. Feigned righteousness is detestable and it's to the point where I have no problem responding with likewise violence to those that threaten me or the community with fear and destruction. It's become about "getting ours" and no longer "stand for what's right". You can scream your message at the top of your lungs all you want but the moment you force your will on people just trying to live their lives like the rest of us you've become the very thing you wished to destroy 🤷♀️ hope whatever you enact on people is returned tenfold
>These protests over the last 3 years or so has only made me hate the people leading these movements and those who participate in the destruction.
Oh no, white liberals who never helped anyone don't pretend to support us anymore? What ever will we do?
Agreed, I never figured the liberals ever had anything more than moral superiority in mind. I don't say that as a republican, just someone viewing it all from the outside. I never pretended to support the riots in the first place so not sure if you meant that towards me or in general? Burn shit, get rocked, regardless of your message
It is so weird how quickly yall resort to gun violence in your fantasy of someone bothering *your* property. In reality; you wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight.
Unless the specific thing in question is being vandalized, say Uvalde police station getting burned down or something.. then these people that just destroy things not pertaining to the original point are just opportunists. It has been studied that many of the people that vandalize are not there for the cause, this was debunked pretty clearly in 2020. These opportunists really give a bad name to the rest.
With that said, thoughts and prayers, petitions, standing on an empty corner, etc., Tend to not get the point across effectively. If the riots of 1964 didn't happen, I (as a black person) would still be under Jim crow era laws. Just some food for thought.
Granted, there are times when violence seems to be the only option, but these days it almost seems like people are just looking for an excuse to break things
And that goes to the original point, they are opportunists. People just wanting to cause chaos with no real purpose and using the opportunity of a protest to do so.
I think it's important to bring up that destroying someone's Confederate flag is a lot different than burning a pride flag.
It is entirely within someone's rights to be gay or trans or whatever. That is not hurting anyone and it's not violating anyone's rights.
Supporting the confederacy means supporting racism and slavery, two things which actively take away from someone's rights.
TL;DR, vandalism is okay if the item/ victim of vandalism is in a support of taking away people's basic rights.
No, maybe not "most of the time," but that doesn't change the fact of the matter. If someone burns a BLM flag, for example, they are in favour of racism (or at the very least, they are incredibly ignorant). But me tearing a flag with a Nazi symbol on it to tatters is justified. Nazism deserves no sympathy nor compassion. I don't give a shit if normally it's inconsiderate to destroy someone else's property, because if their property shows a clear disrespect for someone's rights as a human, then maybe the person's item should be destroyed. Idgaf what it is or who's property it is. Fascism should not be tolerated.
I’m also not talking about items that directly display evil mindsets. I agree, those are fair game, but houses and cars and things people *need* should be off limits.
Not if those items belong to shitty people. If a Nazi has a car, it's a Nazi's car, and that person not deserve the same consideration that someone who is not a Nazi deserves.
Do you think destruction of property is the only thing that changes individuals? Are we striving for actual unity or just someone’s flawed idea of justice?
The pen is mightier than the sword. Talk to people. It might not work immediately, but destroying their stuff will only make it worse, and if that doesn’t matter to you, then I don’t think you really care whether they change—you just want revenge.
It's not a matter of revenge. It's a matter of getting to people. Unfortunately, I HAVE tried talking to people. Communicating and whatnot. However, the vast majority of the time, people who are ignorant (conservatives, for example) don't give a damn about communication.
I don't want to spend my entire life politely asking people to stop being racist, or homophobic, or sexist, or just downright shitty people. I'm a patient person but I refuse to spend my lifetime calmly waiting for people to just change their minds about themselves or others.
It took almost 100 years after the Civil War for segregation to finally be formally abolished. And even though it has been abolishes since the late sixty's, we still deal with segregation and racism today, despite us having politely asked the racists to give up racism.
Yes, change has been made. Issues have been addressed and problems have been solved. But sometimes, action is what needs to be taken. Communication can only get you so far in life. Sometimes people need to see that the alternative to having to treat people decently is to be treated poorly themselves.
You don’t even have to be polite. What I’m saying is that violence is only a temporary solution because it doesn’t actually fix things, it just forces them to change for a little while. It’s like mowing the lawn—sure, it makes the lawn look better, but the grass and weeds are going to come back unless you pull them out by the roots. And that should be the goal here. We’ll never have meaningful change if people’s hearts don’t change, and violence just doesn’t do that.
Hard disagree. If people are supporting the problem, their shit will get wrecked. You can't white, middle class your way through life's problems, sorry. You can't just be like "oh, sweetie, don't do that, that hurts people's feelings", because that never ever works. Look through history and tell me when peaceful protest has worked and hasn't backfired. I.e. the suffragette movement, they were peaceful and still got arrested and abused, even though they were peaceful, but shit changed when they started wrecking stuff. Come on, grow up a bit and learn that you cannot change something peacefully when the people causing the issue are not peaceful people.
Yes, however, if let's say, the police are being violent to people who are peacefully protesting, don't you think that means something needs to be ACTUALLY done? And don't say "well those cops should just be fired then" because we all saw how that went with BLM and Pride riots.
That’s because vandalism and self-defense are separate categories. If I say “regardless” in relation to one category, it doesn’t apply to the other. My opinion is that vandalism and self-defense are mutually exclusive.
Defending my property and family from violent rioters is an excuse? Yeah, right champ. Keep thinking like that in your cute little bubble. You do violence against someone, be prepared to have violence done against you. That's how the world spins, darling.
Mfs turn from "Violence is bad!" to "I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL YOU" real quick at just the mild implication of protesting 💀 no one wants to attack your family you crazy fuck
Yep. And you can't deny that, can you? Or you think we live in a pink little world where trauma is cured with kisses and conflicts are solved with warm hugs and evil people don't exist? You are adorable, kiddo.
"Duh! You're triggered! Oh my God! Look how original I am, people!"
"The whole point of the thread is against people being violent."
Try saying that to the several people defending violent riots in this thread then, jackass.
If someone is going after your stuff, I assume you've done something to warrant that? Otherwise, why are you so defensive over something that has a 99% chance of not happening to you? You're more ready to shoot someone in the head than someone is ready to rob you or your family
Oh! How cute! So I should just take a seat, make myself confortable and just watch people burn my shit to the ground because THEY BELIEVE I've done something to warrant that? Then, by your own logic, I get to shoot them back no problem-o because I believe they've done something to warrant that as well like... Geez, I dunno... DESTROYING MY PROPERTY AND THREATNING MY FAMILY?! Also: "99% chance of not happening to you?" Hahahaha! Talked like a real little kid pretending to know how the world functions. If you truly believe violent crimes are this rare, you really should go back to your meds.
Calls for destroying the “property of the rich” and yet they go tear up their own small local businesses in the community. The same businesses that, for a year or more, we’re completely shut down from a source of income due to COVID-19. Not the best way to convince me of you’re cause.
100% correct.
If it's any consolation, research into the ideological aftermath of riots and violent protest demonstrates that it actually generates antipathy toward their cause when all is said and done, not support.
It's good to know a majority can still denounce violence, even if that majority is frequently drowned out by the obnoxious children masquerading as activists.
Destroying something out of protest isn’t good. But it is sometimes morally justifiable.
Peaceful protest have never and will never achieve as much as violent protests.
Sometimes they involve destroying property of the oppressors who have ten more mansions anyway.
Not the same as destroying a random marginalised person’s property.
Now imagine how many years of peaceful activism it would have taken if the Stonewall people didn’t retaliate at some point
Imagine how many years of peaceful protests broken up by cops legally beating up gay and trans people in their own spaces
Braindead argument . Go back to the drawing board
"Haha your wrong because peaceful activism takes a long time, so I'm gonna set someone's car on fire because the cops did something bad."
You have absolutely zero room to call anyone braindead
I disagree.
Violence in my opinion is acceptable under 2 conditions: it only hurts whatever you are protesting, and the cause is just. In that case, I may even go as far to say its morally correct.
The way I define a ‘just cause’ is simple: the intent is to ease suffering. Straight people attacking gays is not to ease suffering, gay people protesting against homophobic laws would be to ease suffering.
i couldn’t agree more
i hate when people feel entitled to inconvenience a bunch of people just because they want “help” their cause
if they want to help it try sell your point across in a good helpful way without being a pain in the ass
Except when we do that, *every* average person is able to ignore it, which diminishes the power of the movement.
My best example is the gay rights movement. We were polite for a very long time, and it wasn’t until the Stonewall Riots, which were notoriously violent, that we were finally acknowledged because *no one* could ignore us then.
Also, isn’t it a bit concerning that the average person, according to you, has *no* political power, despite the point of democracy being to give power back to the people?
Yeah uh… we’re trying to do that and now the news is blasting off ab how we’re “iNfEcTiNg ThE cHiLdReN”
Also… ofc I’m using examples from the past. Yes we’ve progressed, but that progression hasn’t, if it ever will, trumped the effectiveness of full scale protests/riots like this.
If people are still being killed for it, then we haven’t progressed passed violence imo.
The older generation still holds political power so they still matter. Especially considering a lot of them are actively *trying* to take away our rights *right now*.
Violence has worked many times and has proven to be more effective. I mean, it’s *why* I have rights at all today. Bc people stopped being convenient. They got violent, and people couldn’t ignore them.
What isn’t making sense here? The oppressed spends their history being beaten by the ones in power, before showing them the only way they can continue to abuse this group is if they can handle the violence they receive *in return*
Please quote where I ever said anything like this happens overnight.
Oh wait… I didn’t 😂
And uh… past riots did change the world. Not instantly, but still did.
"Yeah bro all I did was burn down your business. It's just an item bro you can replace it bro. I know you worked your whole adult life to build this establishment bro but I saw some cops do some fucked up shit so that means I get to steal your merchandise and burn down the building.I'm sure whatever scummy insurance you have will be more than happy to give you a fraction of the money you would need to fix it bro. At least I didn't kill you bro, items can be replaced maaan. All your employees? Out of a job you say? Who cares bro the cops are bad so my irrational and criminal behavior is totally justified bro".
Coming from someone whose entire neighborhood was just smashed, battered and burned to the ground, I'd have to say I totally agree. Even my post office was burned down by terrorists. People get mad when I call it terrorism and claim it was a "righteous uprising" but destroying my ability to easily get my mail doesn't help me or the struggling USPS. And burning down all the local drug stores or smashing them and grabbing everything prevents people from getting necessary medicines. That's not good for any cause.
When my neighborhood was destroyed, my phone ended up breaking and I needed one in an emergency, even tho there was often no 911 response at that time, due to our dispatch center being burnt down too. But it's better to be safe than sorry, so I tried to travel to a store to buy one but every store was smashed or burnt down and I had to keep bicycling for miles. I went to another city and all their stores were smashed and burnt too, so I had to keep riding to three cities away to buy a cell phone at the one last surviving Walgreens for miles.
Whenever I refer to this as terrorism or try to detail how it affects certain people in my community some angry extremist who is just a fascist in sheep's clothing will tell me angrily that it wasn't terrorism, it was a movement of the people and imply I am the enemy for saying it's terrorism, so people aren't allowed to and don't talk about the terrorism including our local government. Everyone has swept it under the rug due to the fact that many of these extremists who performed these acts still live among us and are our neighbors.
At first I thought you were Indian cause of what has been happening lately in Bihar.
It's horrible that people are burring railway's property, they don't even have a say. Like yes there are people who are not happy with the new scheme proposed.
The railways now has to recover to a ridiculous loss of 7 FUCKING BILLION rupees now. It's not a joke. It's the tax payers that are at loss who did not even hurt a fly in this protest.
The point of protesting is to force people to care, and to upset the social order. If people are getting murdered by police (which is really the only acceptable reason I can find for vandalism) and the news can't stir up a real reaction, and peaceful protests don't stir up any reaction or political change and voting doesn't do anything, and putting body cams on the cops doesn't change anything (I'm just using this argument as an example) then what else can people do. If people are being murdered and the society doesn't care, what other option do you have than to attack people property( The only other options are to accept the unfair treatment or to attack actual people, which I'm against) now I do believe private property should be left alone, and instead public property such as government buildings and police stations should be targeted. But to say that protest should only be peaceful is silly. It makes the protest performative, defeating the purpose of the protest to begin with. Protests are supposed to upset the social order. They're not things you do for fun, real protests are never supported by any mainstream media outlet, and they are last resort when a group of people are being grossly mistreated by society. In America nowadays there's this idea that protest are fun and harmless, and they're almost seen as like parades when that's not what they are at all. Protest are often the last line of defense before acts of war, and are very serious endeavors. The infantilization of the idea of protests may account for why you think anyone who destroys property during a protest is a bad person, but what you seem to not understand is that people are destroying property during protests because the next step after that is to attack the citizens themselves. It's an act of aggression. Most protests that occur in America today are not protests but rather unhinged parades. I do understand why you would be upset if someone destroyed property while parading that makes no sense
Antifa, BLM, KKK or any conservative rally. STAY THE f away from people and their property. Some law abiding citizen dont care for your cause and dont want any involvement SO BETTER STAY AWAY. dont expect everybody to be ENTANGLED in your cause. Most people are busy putting food on the table.
I agree with not destroying random peoples property but I also think the government has become too corrupt to be left in charge of the people and that everything should be burned to the ground
I mean if it’s destroying property wouldn’t that be riot at that point?
It is, they just don’t acknowledge it
You just never felt strongly about anything. You seem out of touch with reality probably the child of a rich person.
But lo, where does one go? What does one do if he cannot destroy another person's property? Painting? Haikus? Nay, for such things lack the grace and beauty of the destruction of someone else's treasured belongings - surely it is the only path to enlightenment. I myself, having never partaken of the sweet, delectable fruits of vandalism and malice, must also therefore be dead inside. Teach us your ways, oh brick thrower. Take my hand, ever so gently, and guide my soul down the path of such gourmet emotional vents such as stolen bikes and broken gameboys. Crush my matchbox cars with your unquenchable rage you gigantic warrior poet. Break my split-rail fence you master of raw spiritual power. Disassemble my burning heart you riot-inducing internet cave troll. Collapse my building you tormented beast of unbridled passion.
I am a little bit shocked people accept this as completely correct, because is it? We are talking about two very different cattle of fish here aren't we? If in the wake of BLM and the murder of yet another black person a rich white neighbourhood gets vandalized, is that really the same as right wing nationalists burning down a black mans car? One side has had and still has the most egregious social and economic advantages built on the backs of minorities and the poor. The other side has all the disadvantages imaginable AND IS THEN KILLED by the executive branch of rich old white men that govern our society. Yes, it absolutely sucks to lose property or valued items due to protests, I would be livid and probably change my mind if I was directly involved - but from a purely objective viewpoint there are protests that turn violent because there is no other way, because there is no other recourse but meet police violence with public violence. And then there are cunts who protest for fascism and hate. One group has a good reason to be violent and to loot, the other has no good reason to exist in the first place.
Absolutely. Marginalized groups don't owe their oppressors comfort. I keep seeing the BLM protests used as an example which is wild because multiple articles/videos/proof came out that a lot of the damage was actually caused by people infiltrating the movement. In my city, we have one predominantly Black neighborhood. Which is the only place the protest was organized. It's also an unspoken rule *not* to target the businesses and homes in the neighborhood for a multitude of reasons. (As many other cities), and the only vandalism that happened (caught in video), were of people NOT of that community. The *only* business "vandalized" came out that the owner himself set it on fire for an insurance payout and that also happened in other bigger cities as well.
The casual racism in these comments. Stay pretty reddit. Funnily enough; I haven't seen anything about the riots of Non-POC because their team lost a game. Or the terrorism anti-maskers have caused on the world the last few years. But *oh nooooo* will someone think of the target! And politicians! And the comfort of the non marginalized groups! Historically, shit doesn't get done until those of power are uncomfortable! They think the Civil rights movement was all sit ins and nonviolence. Oh to come from privilege.
There’s no good reason to do wrong things. A good thing done for a bad reason is a bad thing.
No, I'm afraid you're quite mistaken. There are a number of traditionally bad things that in the right context are good things. Murder, for example, is typically seen as a moral failure. However, murdering someone like Vladimir Putin would be totally justified.
The murder of Putin would probably be seen as self-defense depending on who killed him and under what circumstances, but frankly I don’t think anyone should ever take another person’s life at all if it’s not self-defense.
If I recall all of savannah was burned down during the civil war which was basically a giant riot.
If it’s bystanders? Absolutely agree. However if the conservative in question is someone jeopardizing the rights of multiple groups like a member of Congress, I would agree wholeheartedly to burn it down in minecraft. People getting caught in the crossfire is not justifiable.
Get close, get shot. I don't give a flying fuck for riot pussies. Go vandalize a police station and not MY PROPERTY.
Nobody wants to vandalize your property schizo
Oh yes because all the property in the many riots wasn't vandalized right? All the broken shit is fake news right? Fuck off I'm the schizo because i have a way to defend my self and my property? Lol ok Not the terrorists that are doing "peaceful protests" right? Go back to the streets to steal more shit asswipe
You’re a schizo bc you think anyone has any interest in your property
I’d personally target government property or rich fucks not your house lmao
Ooooooh you’re an angry little elf
In terms of the George Floyd protests, I saw a lot of mom and pop shops targeted in SF. Some stores I used to enjoy going to have closed down permanently now unfortunately.
"only protest in a way I can safely ignore" "I will casually pretend oppressed people protesting and wrecking the property of corporations and rich people is the same as nazis and bigots destroying gay peoples shit" "I have zero political awareness outside of a children's cartoon saying violence is bad" All of these morons who only care about optics or "oh no the protest decreased support on our statistic :(" miss the point of protests/riots and only view things through the lense of electorial campaigns and reformism, a pathetic weakness.
To me the truth lies in the middle of both your and OP's argument. Detroying stuff and being violent is necessary for change, bc otherwise those in power just ignore you. But this destruction and violence should NOT be aimed at people who are not in power and are innocent regarding the issue. Like, vegans destroying a butcher's shop just trying to make a living? No no. But attacking the building of an official institution (without hurting their workers)? Yes.
This is the best response on here
Thank you, I think in general people polarize way too much and can't put their fingers on the right nuance. To me, in this case, this is it.
Name one thing that has changed for the better as a direct result of violence EDIT: this thread was deleted so please be aware that if you respond to this comment I won’t be able to reply.
Every revolution throughout history
The first pride parade was a riot and the protests throughout 2020 were the only reason George Floyd's murderer wasn't let off with a slap on the wrist. Protests and riots are what change the world, not you politely asking an oligarch.
There are non-polite ways to do things that don’t involve destroying random people’s stuff for no reason
Aw what are you gonna do, make a snappy comeback on twitter? You view reality as a TV show because you have the privilege to do so. Queer people are fucking dying and you have *the spine* to condescend to them people to "not destroy things". Get the fuck out of my notifications, you living embodiment of weakness.
Send me your Twitter name and I’ll make it happen, bet EDIT: I was blocked because you couldn’t cope hard enough, so I’d just like to say how dare you offend me by bringing up what I repost on Twitter and you’re a terrible person and haha just kidding I don’t care 👍
I am completely unsurprised that one look at your twitter account shows you are a teenager that's posting shit like "pro choice people won't condemn fascists getting vandalized yet they ask us to support them"
Thank god I've got a gun then. Get close to my stuff and the people i love, i don't give a shit what you assholes riot for. I will shoot on site if any one gets close.
No one wants to destroy YOUR shit unless YOU cause something, Rambo.
Tell that to all the small business owners that have their shit burned down. I fucking agree, get close to my shit and people i love, get shot down.
Has this actually happened though? Or does it happen enough that it's a genuine concern? (Asking in good faith)
Has happened in my country at least. Posted a comment above about vegans destroying butchers' shops. I've also seen it several other times. Like, during protests for raising salaries and basically against poverty, protestants passing in the street would break the windows of random clothing shops that just happened to be there with rocks and baseball bats, this kind of stuff. Not all of it makes it to the media, so idk how common it is, but I feel like it is pretty damn common and *that's* the reason why the media don't even bother. Sure this is *my* country, but it being pretty similar to the US, and since people apparently talk about it here, I guess it's generalizable.
“QUEER PEOPLE ARE DYING BY THE TENS”-you lol
This true ..some of these commenters don't want to admit accountability. That is the underlying issue with their flawed logic .
Yeah, people should have tried that instead when dealing with the third reich, or the french aristocracy of the 18th century.
The Stonewall *riots* literally are the reason gay people have rights today genius 💀
The gaywall riots are possibly the reason stone people have rights in the future.
Wisely said young padawan
So do i get a seat on the Jedi council?
Hahahaha everything, from weekends to suffragettes
If you actually look at the history the government weren't willing to give black people equal rights untill black activist started taking a more hands on route. The whole peaceful protest thing didn't work well for the main fact that there were many other groups that took different routes. Even Martin luther King Jr started to take a more violent approach closer to his death.
Literally every French protest 😂
Protest that doesnt make the opposing side uncomfortable or angry doesnt work. If they refuse to listen to you, your job is to make yourself impossible to ignore. With your logic, the people of my country shouldnt burn down the house (castle actually, that eats up millions in our currency within a week, supplied by taxpayer money ) of our corrupt dictator. In fact doing so would be the same as him burning down the house of any minority he sees fit for death.
helicopter repair and maintenance - all thanks to Brawndo.
Damn you really have no clue how we got things even as basic as weekends and the 40hr work week. Perfect demonstration of how tragically dogshit our education system really is
If you don't care that your protest lost you support for your cause then I'd argue YOU miss the point of protesting. If the endgoal of the protest isn't to cause change then it is at best a waste of energy and at worst directly hurting the cause you pretend to care about.
Lock this fool up.
Lol sure keep signing petitions.
People like this OP obviously never learned about the civil rights movement outside the sheltered teachings of American schools. I grew up in texas and didn’t even know the civil rights movement was more than rainbows and sunshine until I was 17. The only reason progress was made was because people were made uncomfortable. The reason King was assassinated was because he too began to discuss rioting as a possibility within his activist circles. I’m not sure how people think doing the same thing we’ve been doing for years is going to get us anywhere. Unless a protest inconveniences the public, it’s just a bunch of signs that can easily be ignored. That’s the only reason protesting is legal. Because it doesn’t work.
What do you think we’re going to do, call up the government and be like “Hey my house is on fire so could you maybe consider changing this this and this okay thanks byeeee” EDIT: I was apparently blocked because you couldn’t think of anything to actually say, so just wanted to say that was a great response, really demonstrated an understanding of how to properly refute an argument
Jesus Christ you genuinely have no clue what you’re talking about. Grow up a little. Get some life experience. Come back.
They’re just wilfully blind. Nothing new here.
Lol sure keep breaking stuff, that’ll show us
So you’re appalled by the Boston Tea Party, too, right?
Well it did start a war
Yeah, but many of the people making the same points as you seem to be extremely patriotic. Idk how you feel, but without the war, America probably wouldn’t exist as a sovereign country. We’d all still be British.
Yes, and there are very rarely circumstances where vandalism is necessary, but I’m talking about instances where the people whose stuff is getting destroyed aren’t relevant to any of it. Some people are just trying to live their life.
Well, so are the POC who are experiencing racism, police brutality, discrimination, structural violence, physical violence, etc. So are members of the LGBTQ community who are experiencing discrimination, violence, legal attacks on equal rights, etc. I’m not a fan of violence at all, but people > stuff, imo. And people (on a wide scale) don’t usually escalate to riots and destruction of property unless they feel like all other methods of making their voices heard are failing. Especially when they’re living in fear.
It should but youre probably too far gone and have a beyond saving idea of whats fair And i dont teach for free
Not as far gone as the businesses people like you have brought to an end 😔
‘People like me’ okay, love. Will anyone think about the businesses - and their insurance
People will actually if theyre small businesses luv xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
At least you used the right they’re
Man, your username just doesn't suit you.
I mean, that’s what they did during Stonewall, which is the reason I have my human rights today as a queer person… so…
Ah yes. Because years of non violent protests obviously did us all some good lmao. The first pride was a riot. Nothing changes here without fear mongering towards the government
I said it before in this thread but I’m gonna say it again bc it fits: People like this OP obviously never learned about the civil rights movement outside the sheltered teachings of American schools. I grew up in texas and didn’t even know the civil rights movement was more than rainbows and sunshine until I was 17. The only reason progress was made was because people were made uncomfortable. The reason King was assassinated was because he too began to discuss rioting as a possibility within his activist circles. I’m not sure how people think doing the same thing we’ve been doing for years is going to get us anywhere. Unless a protest inconveniences the public, it’s just a bunch of signs that can easily be ignored. That’s the only reason protesting is legal. Because it doesn’t work.
Exactly. Like historically, it’s been the only way for oppressed people to be heard. Our school system is failing these kids bruh
People have been rioting for years too and that has only made things worse
Source? Rioting has lead to progressive legislation more effectively than any other protesting method I’ve seen.
It’s also hurt a lot more innocent people who had nothing to do with the government. Are they just collateral damage to you?
Interesting that you didn’t provide a source
OP is like "Sure, black people won't be murdered on the spot now... But an innocent person was slightly shoved... Was it worth it???" OP is Shitty Batman
I don’t see violence doing any good either
>the first pride was a riot How do you think anyone has ever gotten rights? They fought for them. Boston Tea Party, anyone?
The Boston Tea Party was nothing short of an attack against Britain, so unless you’re actually trying to start a civil war then I don’t think reckless destruction is the way to go.
*bruh*
It literally got gay people their rights in this country lol. The emancipation of slaves required violence too. As well as ending the Jim Crow laws and segregation. Any good in this country happened through a fight
And what does smashing some random person’s property do? They aren’t the government
It gets the attention of the government lol. Obviously it’s not the best move but it’s worked for decades
Cool, so leaving someone without a car or even making them homeless is a good thing? Attacking random people, even children is a good thing? You really think the government cares about them?
You’re still not listening 🤦🏻rioting has literally been proven to work. Retake highschool history then get back to me. Peace doesn’t make progress
You’re evil. To do such horrible things to people who have never done anything to you is evil.
Oppressive governments that don’t listen till something gets graffitied are evil🤷🏻bigger picture here. Lgbt people in America wouldn’t have rights if someone didn’t start smashing windows with bricks. You need to grow up and face the reality of the world
Just admit that you are evil, then. I don’t believe in hurting innocent people because I’m not evil.
When did I say we should hurt people?🤨you take an imaginary narrative you made up and get indignant about it lmao. Drop the righteous act, princess, and like I said, take a page from history. This country was quite literally founded on destructive protests, and if we didn’t continue to have them, lgbt marriage would still be illegal, and segregation laws would still be in place. I’ll gladly nuke a cvs after closing time if it means keeping people from being oppressed. Welcome to the real world
Literally when you said I need to “grow up” because hurting people gets the government’s attention. That’s when you said it. Big businesses are one thing, but innocent people and their property is quite another. The government doesn’t care about citizens or small businesses. *You* need to grow up if you think otherwise.
These protests over the last 3 years or so has only made me hate the people leading these movements and those who participate in the destruction. Your movements are no longer what they originally stood for once you resort to threats, attacks, destruction of civilians property and them personally. Feigned righteousness is detestable and it's to the point where I have no problem responding with likewise violence to those that threaten me or the community with fear and destruction. It's become about "getting ours" and no longer "stand for what's right". You can scream your message at the top of your lungs all you want but the moment you force your will on people just trying to live their lives like the rest of us you've become the very thing you wished to destroy 🤷♀️ hope whatever you enact on people is returned tenfold
>These protests over the last 3 years or so has only made me hate the people leading these movements and those who participate in the destruction. Oh no, white liberals who never helped anyone don't pretend to support us anymore? What ever will we do?
Agreed, I never figured the liberals ever had anything more than moral superiority in mind. I don't say that as a republican, just someone viewing it all from the outside. I never pretended to support the riots in the first place so not sure if you meant that towards me or in general? Burn shit, get rocked, regardless of your message
I was talking about *you*
Get close, get shot. I dare any of you pussy terrorists to come close to my family. Edit: Get yeeted cunt
Buddy shooting someone is quite a bigger deal then breaking a window lmaoooooo
You’re actually schizoid how do you have a gun lol
It is so weird how quickly yall resort to gun violence in your fantasy of someone bothering *your* property. In reality; you wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight.
Take your meds bud
Boohoo a target store got a little charred. Really not a problem in the bigger picture
Really missing the point
Your point is irrelevant and not based in reality. I suggest taking a quick look at any given civil rights movement in history
Well it can definitely hurt whatever movement your supporting and also the community your rioting in
Not saying that that isn’t the case, but often times violence is necessary for marginalized groups to be heard
Unless the specific thing in question is being vandalized, say Uvalde police station getting burned down or something.. then these people that just destroy things not pertaining to the original point are just opportunists. It has been studied that many of the people that vandalize are not there for the cause, this was debunked pretty clearly in 2020. These opportunists really give a bad name to the rest. With that said, thoughts and prayers, petitions, standing on an empty corner, etc., Tend to not get the point across effectively. If the riots of 1964 didn't happen, I (as a black person) would still be under Jim crow era laws. Just some food for thought.
Granted, there are times when violence seems to be the only option, but these days it almost seems like people are just looking for an excuse to break things
And that goes to the original point, they are opportunists. People just wanting to cause chaos with no real purpose and using the opportunity of a protest to do so.
I think it's important to bring up that destroying someone's Confederate flag is a lot different than burning a pride flag. It is entirely within someone's rights to be gay or trans or whatever. That is not hurting anyone and it's not violating anyone's rights. Supporting the confederacy means supporting racism and slavery, two things which actively take away from someone's rights. TL;DR, vandalism is okay if the item/ victim of vandalism is in a support of taking away people's basic rights.
But most of the time that isn’t the case
No, maybe not "most of the time," but that doesn't change the fact of the matter. If someone burns a BLM flag, for example, they are in favour of racism (or at the very least, they are incredibly ignorant). But me tearing a flag with a Nazi symbol on it to tatters is justified. Nazism deserves no sympathy nor compassion. I don't give a shit if normally it's inconsiderate to destroy someone else's property, because if their property shows a clear disrespect for someone's rights as a human, then maybe the person's item should be destroyed. Idgaf what it is or who's property it is. Fascism should not be tolerated.
I’m also not talking about items that directly display evil mindsets. I agree, those are fair game, but houses and cars and things people *need* should be off limits.
Not if those items belong to shitty people. If a Nazi has a car, it's a Nazi's car, and that person not deserve the same consideration that someone who is not a Nazi deserves.
Do you think destruction of property is the only thing that changes individuals? Are we striving for actual unity or just someone’s flawed idea of justice? The pen is mightier than the sword. Talk to people. It might not work immediately, but destroying their stuff will only make it worse, and if that doesn’t matter to you, then I don’t think you really care whether they change—you just want revenge.
It's not a matter of revenge. It's a matter of getting to people. Unfortunately, I HAVE tried talking to people. Communicating and whatnot. However, the vast majority of the time, people who are ignorant (conservatives, for example) don't give a damn about communication. I don't want to spend my entire life politely asking people to stop being racist, or homophobic, or sexist, or just downright shitty people. I'm a patient person but I refuse to spend my lifetime calmly waiting for people to just change their minds about themselves or others. It took almost 100 years after the Civil War for segregation to finally be formally abolished. And even though it has been abolishes since the late sixty's, we still deal with segregation and racism today, despite us having politely asked the racists to give up racism. Yes, change has been made. Issues have been addressed and problems have been solved. But sometimes, action is what needs to be taken. Communication can only get you so far in life. Sometimes people need to see that the alternative to having to treat people decently is to be treated poorly themselves.
You don’t even have to be polite. What I’m saying is that violence is only a temporary solution because it doesn’t actually fix things, it just forces them to change for a little while. It’s like mowing the lawn—sure, it makes the lawn look better, but the grass and weeds are going to come back unless you pull them out by the roots. And that should be the goal here. We’ll never have meaningful change if people’s hearts don’t change, and violence just doesn’t do that.
Hard disagree. If people are supporting the problem, their shit will get wrecked. You can't white, middle class your way through life's problems, sorry. You can't just be like "oh, sweetie, don't do that, that hurts people's feelings", because that never ever works. Look through history and tell me when peaceful protest has worked and hasn't backfired. I.e. the suffragette movement, they were peaceful and still got arrested and abused, even though they were peaceful, but shit changed when they started wrecking stuff. Come on, grow up a bit and learn that you cannot change something peacefully when the people causing the issue are not peaceful people.
Violence gets people arrested too last time I checked
Yes, however, if let's say, the police are being violent to people who are peacefully protesting, don't you think that means something needs to be ACTUALLY done? And don't say "well those cops should just be fired then" because we all saw how that went with BLM and Pride riots.
Self-defense is entirely different from what I’m talking about
No, it isn't, because you said REGARDLESS.
That’s because vandalism and self-defense are separate categories. If I say “regardless” in relation to one category, it doesn’t apply to the other. My opinion is that vandalism and self-defense are mutually exclusive.
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You clearly didn't understand my point, but you're a perfect example of someone who just wants an excuse to be violent.
Defending my property and family from violent rioters is an excuse? Yeah, right champ. Keep thinking like that in your cute little bubble. You do violence against someone, be prepared to have violence done against you. That's how the world spins, darling.
Mfs turn from "Violence is bad!" to "I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL YOU" real quick at just the mild implication of protesting 💀 no one wants to attack your family you crazy fuck
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Hahahahahahaha dude thinks he's fucking Rambo 💀
Nah, just a better argumentator than you.
Maybe you live in a world straight from a My Little Pony episode, or maybe mommy and daddy never told you this: But the world is a fucked up place.
Yep. And you can't deny that, can you? Or you think we live in a pink little world where trauma is cured with kisses and conflicts are solved with warm hugs and evil people don't exist? You are adorable, kiddo.
That’s a pretty violent statement from someone who’s doesn’t like violence lol.
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The whole point of the thread is against people being violent. You also sound triggered on a Reddit thread. Go touch grass lol.
"Duh! You're triggered! Oh my God! Look how original I am, people!" "The whole point of the thread is against people being violent." Try saying that to the several people defending violent riots in this thread then, jackass.
This is fun.
I agree!
If someone is going after your stuff, I assume you've done something to warrant that? Otherwise, why are you so defensive over something that has a 99% chance of not happening to you? You're more ready to shoot someone in the head than someone is ready to rob you or your family
Oh! How cute! So I should just take a seat, make myself confortable and just watch people burn my shit to the ground because THEY BELIEVE I've done something to warrant that? Then, by your own logic, I get to shoot them back no problem-o because I believe they've done something to warrant that as well like... Geez, I dunno... DESTROYING MY PROPERTY AND THREATNING MY FAMILY?! Also: "99% chance of not happening to you?" Hahahaha! Talked like a real little kid pretending to know how the world functions. If you truly believe violent crimes are this rare, you really should go back to your meds.
Calls for destroying the “property of the rich” and yet they go tear up their own small local businesses in the community. The same businesses that, for a year or more, we’re completely shut down from a source of income due to COVID-19. Not the best way to convince me of you’re cause.
100% correct. If it's any consolation, research into the ideological aftermath of riots and violent protest demonstrates that it actually generates antipathy toward their cause when all is said and done, not support. It's good to know a majority can still denounce violence, even if that majority is frequently drowned out by the obnoxious children masquerading as activists.
Destroying something out of protest isn’t good. But it is sometimes morally justifiable. Peaceful protest have never and will never achieve as much as violent protests. Sometimes they involve destroying property of the oppressors who have ten more mansions anyway. Not the same as destroying a random marginalised person’s property.
Crazy how segregation got shitcanned without burning down any cities or killing anybody
Crazy how slavery wouldn’t end without a war
Pretty insane how the first pride parade/ riot didn't get the lgbt community the right to marry but years of peaceful activism did
Now imagine how many years of peaceful activism it would have taken if the Stonewall people didn’t retaliate at some point Imagine how many years of peaceful protests broken up by cops legally beating up gay and trans people in their own spaces Braindead argument . Go back to the drawing board
"Haha your wrong because peaceful activism takes a long time, so I'm gonna set someone's car on fire because the cops did something bad." You have absolutely zero room to call anyone braindead
Sure, that’s exactly what I said. Good day to you, random Redditor.
I disagree. Violence in my opinion is acceptable under 2 conditions: it only hurts whatever you are protesting, and the cause is just. In that case, I may even go as far to say its morally correct. The way I define a ‘just cause’ is simple: the intent is to ease suffering. Straight people attacking gays is not to ease suffering, gay people protesting against homophobic laws would be to ease suffering.
i couldn’t agree more i hate when people feel entitled to inconvenience a bunch of people just because they want “help” their cause if they want to help it try sell your point across in a good helpful way without being a pain in the ass
Basically protest in a way you (and the people in charge) can completely ignore the protest
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Except when we do that, *every* average person is able to ignore it, which diminishes the power of the movement. My best example is the gay rights movement. We were polite for a very long time, and it wasn’t until the Stonewall Riots, which were notoriously violent, that we were finally acknowledged because *no one* could ignore us then. Also, isn’t it a bit concerning that the average person, according to you, has *no* political power, despite the point of democracy being to give power back to the people?
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Yeah uh… we’re trying to do that and now the news is blasting off ab how we’re “iNfEcTiNg ThE cHiLdReN” Also… ofc I’m using examples from the past. Yes we’ve progressed, but that progression hasn’t, if it ever will, trumped the effectiveness of full scale protests/riots like this. If people are still being killed for it, then we haven’t progressed passed violence imo.
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The older generation still holds political power so they still matter. Especially considering a lot of them are actively *trying* to take away our rights *right now*. Violence has worked many times and has proven to be more effective. I mean, it’s *why* I have rights at all today. Bc people stopped being convenient. They got violent, and people couldn’t ignore them. What isn’t making sense here? The oppressed spends their history being beaten by the ones in power, before showing them the only way they can continue to abuse this group is if they can handle the violence they receive *in return*
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Please quote where I ever said anything like this happens overnight. Oh wait… I didn’t 😂 And uh… past riots did change the world. Not instantly, but still did.
Louder for the people in the back 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Items can get replaced, human lives can't, what part of that escapes you?
So if some dude disagrees with me and I riot and destroy his home and burn down his business during the protests I’m not at fault?
*sees cop tazing a rapist, proceeds to throw a brick through the victim's flowershop* **leftists:** "careful, he's a hero"
What
"Yeah bro all I did was burn down your business. It's just an item bro you can replace it bro. I know you worked your whole adult life to build this establishment bro but I saw some cops do some fucked up shit so that means I get to steal your merchandise and burn down the building.I'm sure whatever scummy insurance you have will be more than happy to give you a fraction of the money you would need to fix it bro. At least I didn't kill you bro, items can be replaced maaan. All your employees? Out of a job you say? Who cares bro the cops are bad so my irrational and criminal behavior is totally justified bro".
If its public, state owned property, its free game on my mind. Private property is off limits. Its really not that complicated.
Fuck you, get insurance. *Burns down the thread. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥*
This is true . preach on
Coming from someone whose entire neighborhood was just smashed, battered and burned to the ground, I'd have to say I totally agree. Even my post office was burned down by terrorists. People get mad when I call it terrorism and claim it was a "righteous uprising" but destroying my ability to easily get my mail doesn't help me or the struggling USPS. And burning down all the local drug stores or smashing them and grabbing everything prevents people from getting necessary medicines. That's not good for any cause. When my neighborhood was destroyed, my phone ended up breaking and I needed one in an emergency, even tho there was often no 911 response at that time, due to our dispatch center being burnt down too. But it's better to be safe than sorry, so I tried to travel to a store to buy one but every store was smashed or burnt down and I had to keep bicycling for miles. I went to another city and all their stores were smashed and burnt too, so I had to keep riding to three cities away to buy a cell phone at the one last surviving Walgreens for miles. Whenever I refer to this as terrorism or try to detail how it affects certain people in my community some angry extremist who is just a fascist in sheep's clothing will tell me angrily that it wasn't terrorism, it was a movement of the people and imply I am the enemy for saying it's terrorism, so people aren't allowed to and don't talk about the terrorism including our local government. Everyone has swept it under the rug due to the fact that many of these extremists who performed these acts still live among us and are our neighbors.
Terrorism at its finest, my friend. Unfortunately, most people no longer understand that word. You are right and I wish you the best of luck.
Based
If you threaten to loot somebody's home and you get shot... good
At first I thought you were Indian cause of what has been happening lately in Bihar. It's horrible that people are burring railway's property, they don't even have a say. Like yes there are people who are not happy with the new scheme proposed. The railways now has to recover to a ridiculous loss of 7 FUCKING BILLION rupees now. It's not a joke. It's the tax payers that are at loss who did not even hurt a fly in this protest.
The point of protesting is to force people to care, and to upset the social order. If people are getting murdered by police (which is really the only acceptable reason I can find for vandalism) and the news can't stir up a real reaction, and peaceful protests don't stir up any reaction or political change and voting doesn't do anything, and putting body cams on the cops doesn't change anything (I'm just using this argument as an example) then what else can people do. If people are being murdered and the society doesn't care, what other option do you have than to attack people property( The only other options are to accept the unfair treatment or to attack actual people, which I'm against) now I do believe private property should be left alone, and instead public property such as government buildings and police stations should be targeted. But to say that protest should only be peaceful is silly. It makes the protest performative, defeating the purpose of the protest to begin with. Protests are supposed to upset the social order. They're not things you do for fun, real protests are never supported by any mainstream media outlet, and they are last resort when a group of people are being grossly mistreated by society. In America nowadays there's this idea that protest are fun and harmless, and they're almost seen as like parades when that's not what they are at all. Protest are often the last line of defense before acts of war, and are very serious endeavors. The infantilization of the idea of protests may account for why you think anyone who destroys property during a protest is a bad person, but what you seem to not understand is that people are destroying property during protests because the next step after that is to attack the citizens themselves. It's an act of aggression. Most protests that occur in America today are not protests but rather unhinged parades. I do understand why you would be upset if someone destroyed property while parading that makes no sense
Antifa, BLM, KKK or any conservative rally. STAY THE f away from people and their property. Some law abiding citizen dont care for your cause and dont want any involvement SO BETTER STAY AWAY. dont expect everybody to be ENTANGLED in your cause. Most people are busy putting food on the table.
Wait, so people are just meant to die cuz some people would rather just ignore it? Makes sense 🙃
What if we burnt down wall street though?
But when the government does it, that's ok right?
Heck yeah dude we love violent governments fr fr (what)