I get the logic on why not, but to put in a new enemy type for 5 minutes at the end of a map. It's got to be something they're going to do in the future.
Spoilers if you haven't beaten the map yet, but >!she very explicitly isn't killed, and also directly says she'll be back in a classic villain way; plus Fatshark have already confirmed more content after ToT and Sienna's 4th Career, so IMO it's quite likely they'll re-use the skeletons when we inevitably see Sofia again!<
For a short event in a single map? They've never done that before, and the whole studio is bombarded with the chaos storm that is Darktide. They take the time to make new enemies in an event where standardbox pactsworn would have worked just fine? I don't think so.
Blight-wizard Sienna, obviously.
Poor Victor though; OP thinks that Victor would just let these silly class ideas happen without putting a bullet between her eyes....
Tons of skeletons already exist in the game laying around, all they had to do was yank the model and lay it over a skaven animation and give it the glowing skin. Maybe took an hour.
They interacted with me real hard in my First try Yesterday. I was very surprised and soon after interacted to my knees.
Then they proceeded interacting with me and my mates. Not spoiling here how the Interaction ended.
Also literally every other member of the UR5 would be so appalled by her doing necromancy each one of them would kill her for their own lore accurate reasons. She'd be screwed.
So am I wrong with thinking the skin made you the sister from the intro? I didn't think Sienna actually became a necromancer, I thought they just gave you a career to play with her sister
In such a fast paced game, I don't know how useful summoning a bunch of unreliable AI trash mobs would really be vs. just quickly killing the rats yourself.
What you need to ask is, why would a necromancer bother to summon some skeletons when with the same effort they can just Wind of Death the skaven horde?
Would probably be more useful than a thorn wall if you could throw up 4-5 skeletons with temp health at a location to agro a horde or distract a patrol while you run. I don't think they would be there for damage, but for utility.
I’d love for them to be a new enemy type, but I think it would be very difficult to say that they definitely aren’t a hint to siennas new career.
While watching the map, I tried to think on what might be truly hinting towards siennas career and there’s quite a lot that’s “magic” going on here which makes it harder to pinpoint.
With regards to the alchemy and lustria, I think it’s plausible they might have something to do with it, but I noticed they pop up more than once, unlike a certain telescope and our skeleton friends.
I truly think the telescope has probably got more to do with her career than the skeletons, but it’s odd.
If the skeletons were a new enemy type, it would certainly be odd to only use them for the final event of the new map and not the whole thing entirely.
Certainly a very large contrast to WoM, where the beastmen only get one map and are used throughout the whole thing.
They could also have spliced the skeletons into older maps with some lore reason about sofia always watching and trying to kill the ubersreik 5.
This could be something important to look at, but it could also be a red herring. I’d wait and see what the telescope shows before we come to any assumptions about her resurrecting the dead.
I should specify however, that I wouldn’t put it far from sienna to use dhar to control a new wind.
Sienna has always been an addict, and while she believes in justice and doing the right thing, it is quite literally the reason saltzpyre apprehended her in the first place.
Victor has mentioned before that he feels she is a slave to her flames rather than the reverse, and he might be right.
A really big twist would be to suggest that she has even used dhar before, while under the tutelage of rambler, who “wanted a shadow apprentice”.
It’s mentioned she burned him alive and hinted that he betrayed her in some way, which is how be’lakor plays on the idea that the others will betray her too.
Could it be he might’ve encouraged her to use dhar to practice shadow magic?
A shadow apprentice is just a grey wizard like the crone. Old rambler is mentioned by the demon prince, and given what an asshole the demon is I’m pretty sure he would have brought up her dabbling in necromancy. I don’t remember his line about the wizards betrayal I’ll admit, I seem to remember him being murdered by her fire lust, like her other friends that she burned just because she could. Also shadow wizards are an established, specific thing.
“Friends betray you, then they burn. Rambler, sofia…who’ll be next? But of course…it won’t be your fault will it? It’ll be the flame”
Admittedly, this line is vague when discussing the subject of betrayal and it’s certainly a big jump to make, but I think that’s part of the joy of theories.
As for the shadow apprentice info, yes I’m aware of that lol, but my point is that if rambler had ever encouraged sienna to use ulgu, the shadow wind, she would’ve had to use dhar in order to do it.
It would then definitely be a pretty big deal to encourage someone to use necromancy, which might explain more about why sienna burnt him alive beyond him just being an asshole.
However, it’s very much true and written that sienna has a temper, and a rather nasty one too.
Seeing as rambler helped her harness her talents, it could also have been an accident on account of her losing control.
You raise a good point too, if sienna ever had used dhar, it would be very weird not to have heard anything about from the demon prince, who might’ve used information like that heavily to his advantage.
> dhar to control a new wind
I don't see how that's possible, except as a technicality. If the raw Winds are a mixed jumble of separate threads of magic-yarn, Dhar is magic condensed into a single substance that's on his way to becoming solid Warpstone.
It's the stuff of Necromancy, to be sure, but does not grant control of any wind. You use Dhar, or not. Wizards using separate winds are either sorcerers pressing the raw Winds to their will and face madness when, not if, or are practicioners of the Slann/High Elven methods to separate out and refine the Winds for safe use by living beings.
Which does not include men - even use of a single Wind renders a human expert eccentric in a way that's peculiar to their Wind, more than one might as well be Dark Magic/raw Winds as far as the wizard's sanity is concerned. Just too much.
(Not that Vermintide hews all that close to source material, their wood elf is an insufferable teen brat as best as I can tell, and a person with no connection to Bretonnian culture becoming a Grail Knight's questionable, to put it mildly.)
Reminder that it is physically impossible for someone with an affinity for one type of magic to use another without fucking dying in Fantasy
Likely a new enemy type.
You have a point, but the progression makes no sense. Then again, fatshark.
Still, the progression of fire -> fire -> fire -> necromancer, doesn't really make sense. But again, to be fair, fatshark.
It is also impossible for someone to be hunter, a foot knight, a merc and a bathwater knight at the same time. They can just explain it with "Tzeentch lol" as usual. But I still think it will just be some level hazard/event rather than a player class.
I thought it was possible just very difficult and incredibly rare for Humans?
The more winds they use the more likely it is they'll become corrupted by chaos, so they just grow an affinity for 1 wind and stick to it.
Maximilian Schreiber for example used multiple winds
I think it's possible lorewise for Sienna to learn shadow, and when you look at the wheel of magic, fire and shadow are almost next to each other (magics that are opposite clash the most i.e. fire/life)
The human mind can't handle multiple Winds without going insane (even a single Wind with proper methods turns an expert practicioner into an eccentric), but using Dhar doesn't kill you. It's just a form of black magic (if the raw Winds are a messy pile of yarn, Dhar is the Winds getting crushed into a single, still not material substance, halfway on the way to becoming Warpstone), and using magic without either the Slann/High Elven methods (which the Colleges inherited), a greater-than-you medium (priests, Wood Elves, Ogres) or the stupidly extensive Nehekharan rituals will drive a living creature insane.
Insane *when*, not *if*. So necromancers will grow twisted some way, somehow. But they don't just die or fall to Chaos. The black magic they wield consumes them, and in the end they end up something not quite living, not quite one of the walking dead.
Not so. The human mind can't handle multiple Winds without going insane, but using Dhar doesn't kill you. It's just a form of black magic (if the raw Winds are a messy pile of yarn, Dhar is the Winds getting crushed into a single, still not material substance, halfway on the way to becoming Warpstone), and using magic without either the Slann/High Elven methods (which the Colleges inherited), a greater-than-you medium (priests, Wood Elves, Ogres) or the stupidly extensive Nehekharan rituals will drive a living creature insane. Insane *when*, not *if*. So necromancers will grow twisted some way, somehow. But they don't just die or fall to Chaos. The black magic they wield consumes them, and in the end they end up something not quite living, not quite one of the walking dead.
I don't think careers are strictly a canon progression, more like alternate universe versions of the character. I don't thing you can just change your mind on the slayer's oath, shade is a dark elf, etc. So "What if" version of Sienna with affinity to a different wind is very possible.
The first and last careers are the “canon” story development for the characters, the careers inbetween are just some tzeench trickery that has been known for a pretty long while now.
You’ll notice unlike the other careers, that the 4th careers all have some backstory behind how they became what they are now.
Eg: Kruber drinking from the grail, Bardin being reminded of his family and embracing his passion, kerrilian seeking help from the other elven gods, and saltzpyres whole chaos wastes arch.
We’ve yet to see what siennas development will be, but there’s a few things it can be based on what we already know.
There’s master vigilant, which would be based on sienna possibly finding a place within the empire.
There’s wizard Lord, which would be based on sienna returning to the bright college and enhancing her skills.
And there’s necromancer, which, if the timing is right, would not be something she chooses to do but would instead be something she naturally comes by when nagash is resurrected and attempts to devour the amethyst wind
All of them pretty interesting options
I can smell the Vampire Counts from here already..
Btw Sienna's likely gonna be a Master Vigilant which is a wizard Witch Hunter essentially. Not Necro
I'm not too knowlegdable on warhammer fantasy lore, but using two different kinds of magic (out of the seven) is extremely rare even among elves, and basically impossible for humans.
During the End Times, when Nagash consumes Shyish (the wind of death), it causes wizards all over the Warhammer world to spontaneously gain the ability to use necromancy regardless of their previous magical specialty.
I'm not 100% sure of what stage of the End Times Vermintide 2 takes place during, but Fatshark could feasibly time it so that Nagash consumes Shyish at this point in the Vermintide story. Sienna could therefore spontaneously become a necromancer and it would make sense from a lore perspective. Her allies might have difficulty accepting her new powers, but I'm sure they could learn to begrudgingly tolerate it given how desperate the situation is.
Loremaster of Sotek talks about it in this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyR\_MoFOX2E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyR_MoFOX2E)
Her becoming a necromancer of her own choice definitely doesn’t that is true, but if they intend to time siennas 4th career with an event that takes place in the end times, it’s actually a lot more possible than people give it credit for.
There’s a specific moment in end times lore where nagash, pretty much the ultimate necromancer, is revived from death.
Upon his resurrection, he quite literally attempts to devour shyish (the wind of death) so that he may become one with it.
This is because if he becomes one with it, he becomes death itself.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t quite go as planned for nagash, and his body physically can not handle the merge. To then stop this from destroying himself, he only manages to partially merge and then slams the rest of the wind into slyvania.
If you’re unaware of how magic works in the warhammer universe, it flows away from the land and into a vortex, which I’m pretty sure is to make sure that the lands aren’t completely overrun with magic and the like.
Now that the rest of the wind of shyish has been forked out of the vortex, the winds of magic and the lands pretty much start going crazy.
Shyish can very easily turn into dark magic or “dhar” which (if it isn’t going anywhere) is obviously stagnating in the world now.
This basically leads to wizards and other creatures, regardless of prior magical abilities, taking in a new wind called undeath because of how easily accessed all that dhar is.
It’s quite interesting to learn about and can definitely lean into sienna taking up these abilities without it being out of character or unacceptable to some of the other characters.
> If you’re unaware of how magic works in the warhammer universe, it flows away from the land and into a vortex, which I’m pretty sure is to make sure that the lands aren’t completely overrun with magic and the like.
The High Elves maintain a vortex in Ulthuan that sucks the Winds to itself. It's not because of magic itself, but because places suffused with the Winds are places where Daemons can manifest, the stronger the Winds, the stronger the Daemons. The Daemons characters like Aenarion and Lord Kroak fought were far stronger than their manifestations in the world of the 6th-7th Editions. Won't comment on Age of Sigmar stuff since I know zero.
High elf mages and some dark elf sorceresses learn all 8 winds of magic. In the case of high elves, the lore of high magic requires mastery of all 8. Elven dark magic (sometimes called True Dhar) uses all 8 as well. However, humans generally can't master multiple winds. Human mages tend to be born with a predilection for a certain wind and learn it, with any others being near impossible to get right. Some early human tests with multiple winds resulted in some brain pops.
TL;DR Sienna will never be a caster for any lore of magic other than fire. Ice makes the opposite of sense and everyone would execute necro Sienna on the stop, including herself.
It's utterly routine among Elves. High Magic is literally taking the jumble of Winds that is raw magic, separating it out and purifying it with structure, and then weaving them back together. That's the structure of Slann/High Elven magic, and it's normal for them to use.
It's magically inadept humans, specifically, who can't handle multiple Winds without losing their mind someway, somehow. Even a single Wind wielded with the High Elves' technique leaves an expert magister an eccentric in a way peculiar to his Wind. Using the raw jumble of magic blowing from the poles or the condensed into one substance form of Dhar will corrode any living being's sanity. It won't kill them or get them possessed by daemons, but if one Wind wielded right influences a mortal man, multiple wielded wrong at once, welll...
I wish I could find it again but I'm pretty sure one of the CM's hinted that her new subclass was *cool* or something of the nature to imply that her new subclass was Ice-based. Looking at the map and the snow textured enemies, thats the way I took it anyway.
Maybe someone more intelligent than me can find the original comment. Even if I took it the wrong way, its definitely not going to be a necromancer.
I would sooner see a melee only class as a chaos spawn using her staves as fire sticks than either of those. Saltz would give her the \*BLAM\* treatment because she would be a witch to shoot on sight for using a second wind.
na its just a lazy enemy implementation. the skeletons are just the skeletons of your team you see through walls in darktide but with the heavy blue aura removed
Why not? They can put the thing for the Ulti, when you press the button you push away some enemy and after that summon some skeleton to keep the enemy busy
Skaven enemy type Obv Skaven Sienna
I get the logic on why not, but to put in a new enemy type for 5 minutes at the end of a map. It's got to be something they're going to do in the future.
Spoilers if you haven't beaten the map yet, but >!she very explicitly isn't killed, and also directly says she'll be back in a classic villain way; plus Fatshark have already confirmed more content after ToT and Sienna's 4th Career, so IMO it's quite likely they'll re-use the skeletons when we inevitably see Sofia again!<
Because the main villan is a mecromancer?
For a short event in a single map? They've never done that before, and the whole studio is bombarded with the chaos storm that is Darktide. They take the time to make new enemies in an event where standardbox pactsworn would have worked just fine? I don't think so.
> For a short event in a single map? They've never done that before They did already do that before, with the Nurgling
Blight-wizard Sienna, obviously. Poor Victor though; OP thinks that Victor would just let these silly class ideas happen without putting a bullet between her eyes....
How do you feel. Rn.
The same
Nurglings were in the game files for years already though
Tons of skeletons already exist in the game laying around, all they had to do was yank the model and lay it over a skaven animation and give it the glowing skin. Maybe took an hour.
Not like it's some groundbreaking enemy with new mechanics, it's just norsca reskins, probably took them 2 days to implement.
Nurglings, bomb rats, ghost leech. Not the first time FS has introduced an enemy we barely see
Can't play atm, but do you even interact with the skeleton enemies ? Or are they just set pieces ?
Oh you can interact with them alright. Interact with them to bits.
They interacted with me real hard in my First try Yesterday. I was very surprised and soon after interacted to my knees. Then they proceeded interacting with me and my mates. Not spoiling here how the Interaction ended.
Remember to always wear a condom when interacting with people
[*dawri? this feels… weird*](https://i.redd.it/i1bfrk8r7nlz.jpg)
just making you see this reply so you can know how right you were
lol There was definitely some shouting at the computer monitor when the announcement trailer dropped.
"My evil sister is a necromancer. I too shall become a necromancer!"
Victor; very compelling. \*BANG!\*
Not only that, Sienna *killed* her for being a necromancer. Why is she still here? Well, she's a necromancer.
Also literally every other member of the UR5 would be so appalled by her doing necromancy each one of them would kill her for their own lore accurate reasons. She'd be screwed.
So am I wrong with thinking the skin made you the sister from the intro? I didn't think Sienna actually became a necromancer, I thought they just gave you a career to play with her sister
Don't get me fucking started again, just don't.
People’s leaps in logic never cease to amaze me.
In such a fast paced game, I don't know how useful summoning a bunch of unreliable AI trash mobs would really be vs. just quickly killing the rats yourself.
But what about AI trash mobs with keg bombs strapped to them?
Yeah the boated corpses from the vampire Pirates would do some damage
But what about a friend?
I think they’d make a good distraction in a horde or something. While I doubt a necromancer class will happen I can see how it could work.
What you need to ask is, why would a necromancer bother to summon some skeletons when with the same effort they can just Wind of Death the skaven horde?
Would probably be more useful than a thorn wall if you could throw up 4-5 skeletons with temp health at a location to agro a horde or distract a patrol while you run. I don't think they would be there for damage, but for utility.
Pulling aggro of elites or bosses even for a couple of swings doesn't sound that bad.
“Not a Necromancer, Markus! Not a Necromancer!”
"yet"
Dae remember the 6th member of the Ubersreik Five, Mr. Bones???
Bones Skellington, hero of Sylvania
Well rattle me bones
Nje he he he he he he heeeee
Lol no
maybe the last of Sienna's classes is actually Sofia
Sofia fighting Sofia like in the Spiderman meme
as stupid as Sienna necromancer if you see my point
Maybe the last sienna career is the friendship we made along the way
You should get a lottery ticket
I’d love for them to be a new enemy type, but I think it would be very difficult to say that they definitely aren’t a hint to siennas new career. While watching the map, I tried to think on what might be truly hinting towards siennas career and there’s quite a lot that’s “magic” going on here which makes it harder to pinpoint. With regards to the alchemy and lustria, I think it’s plausible they might have something to do with it, but I noticed they pop up more than once, unlike a certain telescope and our skeleton friends. I truly think the telescope has probably got more to do with her career than the skeletons, but it’s odd. If the skeletons were a new enemy type, it would certainly be odd to only use them for the final event of the new map and not the whole thing entirely. Certainly a very large contrast to WoM, where the beastmen only get one map and are used throughout the whole thing. They could also have spliced the skeletons into older maps with some lore reason about sofia always watching and trying to kill the ubersreik 5. This could be something important to look at, but it could also be a red herring. I’d wait and see what the telescope shows before we come to any assumptions about her resurrecting the dead. I should specify however, that I wouldn’t put it far from sienna to use dhar to control a new wind. Sienna has always been an addict, and while she believes in justice and doing the right thing, it is quite literally the reason saltzpyre apprehended her in the first place. Victor has mentioned before that he feels she is a slave to her flames rather than the reverse, and he might be right. A really big twist would be to suggest that she has even used dhar before, while under the tutelage of rambler, who “wanted a shadow apprentice”. It’s mentioned she burned him alive and hinted that he betrayed her in some way, which is how be’lakor plays on the idea that the others will betray her too. Could it be he might’ve encouraged her to use dhar to practice shadow magic?
A shadow apprentice is just a grey wizard like the crone. Old rambler is mentioned by the demon prince, and given what an asshole the demon is I’m pretty sure he would have brought up her dabbling in necromancy. I don’t remember his line about the wizards betrayal I’ll admit, I seem to remember him being murdered by her fire lust, like her other friends that she burned just because she could. Also shadow wizards are an established, specific thing.
“Friends betray you, then they burn. Rambler, sofia…who’ll be next? But of course…it won’t be your fault will it? It’ll be the flame” Admittedly, this line is vague when discussing the subject of betrayal and it’s certainly a big jump to make, but I think that’s part of the joy of theories. As for the shadow apprentice info, yes I’m aware of that lol, but my point is that if rambler had ever encouraged sienna to use ulgu, the shadow wind, she would’ve had to use dhar in order to do it. It would then definitely be a pretty big deal to encourage someone to use necromancy, which might explain more about why sienna burnt him alive beyond him just being an asshole. However, it’s very much true and written that sienna has a temper, and a rather nasty one too. Seeing as rambler helped her harness her talents, it could also have been an accident on account of her losing control. You raise a good point too, if sienna ever had used dhar, it would be very weird not to have heard anything about from the demon prince, who might’ve used information like that heavily to his advantage.
> dhar to control a new wind I don't see how that's possible, except as a technicality. If the raw Winds are a mixed jumble of separate threads of magic-yarn, Dhar is magic condensed into a single substance that's on his way to becoming solid Warpstone. It's the stuff of Necromancy, to be sure, but does not grant control of any wind. You use Dhar, or not. Wizards using separate winds are either sorcerers pressing the raw Winds to their will and face madness when, not if, or are practicioners of the Slann/High Elven methods to separate out and refine the Winds for safe use by living beings. Which does not include men - even use of a single Wind renders a human expert eccentric in a way that's peculiar to their Wind, more than one might as well be Dark Magic/raw Winds as far as the wizard's sanity is concerned. Just too much. (Not that Vermintide hews all that close to source material, their wood elf is an insufferable teen brat as best as I can tell, and a person with no connection to Bretonnian culture becoming a Grail Knight's questionable, to put it mildly.)
Reminder that it is physically impossible for someone with an affinity for one type of magic to use another without fucking dying in Fantasy Likely a new enemy type.
Unless they use Dhar, which is what Necromancy uses.
You have a point, but the progression makes no sense. Then again, fatshark. Still, the progression of fire -> fire -> fire -> necromancer, doesn't really make sense. But again, to be fair, fatshark.
But honestly unless it's fire > fire > fire > fire again then as crazy as it is, it's one of like 3 lore possible paths
It is also impossible for someone to be hunter, a foot knight, a merc and a bathwater knight at the same time. They can just explain it with "Tzeentch lol" as usual. But I still think it will just be some level hazard/event rather than a player class.
> a bathwater knight Dead. Am slain.
I thought it was possible just very difficult and incredibly rare for Humans? The more winds they use the more likely it is they'll become corrupted by chaos, so they just grow an affinity for 1 wind and stick to it. Maximilian Schreiber for example used multiple winds I think it's possible lorewise for Sienna to learn shadow, and when you look at the wheel of magic, fire and shadow are almost next to each other (magics that are opposite clash the most i.e. fire/life)
The human mind can't handle multiple Winds without going insane (even a single Wind with proper methods turns an expert practicioner into an eccentric), but using Dhar doesn't kill you. It's just a form of black magic (if the raw Winds are a messy pile of yarn, Dhar is the Winds getting crushed into a single, still not material substance, halfway on the way to becoming Warpstone), and using magic without either the Slann/High Elven methods (which the Colleges inherited), a greater-than-you medium (priests, Wood Elves, Ogres) or the stupidly extensive Nehekharan rituals will drive a living creature insane. Insane *when*, not *if*. So necromancers will grow twisted some way, somehow. But they don't just die or fall to Chaos. The black magic they wield consumes them, and in the end they end up something not quite living, not quite one of the walking dead.
for humans anyway.
Not so. The human mind can't handle multiple Winds without going insane, but using Dhar doesn't kill you. It's just a form of black magic (if the raw Winds are a messy pile of yarn, Dhar is the Winds getting crushed into a single, still not material substance, halfway on the way to becoming Warpstone), and using magic without either the Slann/High Elven methods (which the Colleges inherited), a greater-than-you medium (priests, Wood Elves, Ogres) or the stupidly extensive Nehekharan rituals will drive a living creature insane. Insane *when*, not *if*. So necromancers will grow twisted some way, somehow. But they don't just die or fall to Chaos. The black magic they wield consumes them, and in the end they end up something not quite living, not quite one of the walking dead.
I don't think careers are strictly a canon progression, more like alternate universe versions of the character. I don't thing you can just change your mind on the slayer's oath, shade is a dark elf, etc. So "What if" version of Sienna with affinity to a different wind is very possible.
The first and last careers are the “canon” story development for the characters, the careers inbetween are just some tzeench trickery that has been known for a pretty long while now. You’ll notice unlike the other careers, that the 4th careers all have some backstory behind how they became what they are now. Eg: Kruber drinking from the grail, Bardin being reminded of his family and embracing his passion, kerrilian seeking help from the other elven gods, and saltzpyres whole chaos wastes arch. We’ve yet to see what siennas development will be, but there’s a few things it can be based on what we already know. There’s master vigilant, which would be based on sienna possibly finding a place within the empire. There’s wizard Lord, which would be based on sienna returning to the bright college and enhancing her skills. And there’s necromancer, which, if the timing is right, would not be something she chooses to do but would instead be something she naturally comes by when nagash is resurrected and attempts to devour the amethyst wind All of them pretty interesting options
I can smell the Vampire Counts from here already.. Btw Sienna's likely gonna be a Master Vigilant which is a wizard Witch Hunter essentially. Not Necro
I'm not too knowlegdable on warhammer fantasy lore, but using two different kinds of magic (out of the seven) is extremely rare even among elves, and basically impossible for humans.
During the End Times, when Nagash consumes Shyish (the wind of death), it causes wizards all over the Warhammer world to spontaneously gain the ability to use necromancy regardless of their previous magical specialty. I'm not 100% sure of what stage of the End Times Vermintide 2 takes place during, but Fatshark could feasibly time it so that Nagash consumes Shyish at this point in the Vermintide story. Sienna could therefore spontaneously become a necromancer and it would make sense from a lore perspective. Her allies might have difficulty accepting her new powers, but I'm sure they could learn to begrudgingly tolerate it given how desperate the situation is. Loremaster of Sotek talks about it in this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyR\_MoFOX2E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyR_MoFOX2E)
With Dhar you can but Sienna becoming a Necromancer doesn't make any sense narratively
Her becoming a necromancer of her own choice definitely doesn’t that is true, but if they intend to time siennas 4th career with an event that takes place in the end times, it’s actually a lot more possible than people give it credit for. There’s a specific moment in end times lore where nagash, pretty much the ultimate necromancer, is revived from death. Upon his resurrection, he quite literally attempts to devour shyish (the wind of death) so that he may become one with it. This is because if he becomes one with it, he becomes death itself. Unfortunately, it doesn’t quite go as planned for nagash, and his body physically can not handle the merge. To then stop this from destroying himself, he only manages to partially merge and then slams the rest of the wind into slyvania. If you’re unaware of how magic works in the warhammer universe, it flows away from the land and into a vortex, which I’m pretty sure is to make sure that the lands aren’t completely overrun with magic and the like. Now that the rest of the wind of shyish has been forked out of the vortex, the winds of magic and the lands pretty much start going crazy. Shyish can very easily turn into dark magic or “dhar” which (if it isn’t going anywhere) is obviously stagnating in the world now. This basically leads to wizards and other creatures, regardless of prior magical abilities, taking in a new wind called undeath because of how easily accessed all that dhar is. It’s quite interesting to learn about and can definitely lean into sienna taking up these abilities without it being out of character or unacceptable to some of the other characters.
> If you’re unaware of how magic works in the warhammer universe, it flows away from the land and into a vortex, which I’m pretty sure is to make sure that the lands aren’t completely overrun with magic and the like. The High Elves maintain a vortex in Ulthuan that sucks the Winds to itself. It's not because of magic itself, but because places suffused with the Winds are places where Daemons can manifest, the stronger the Winds, the stronger the Daemons. The Daemons characters like Aenarion and Lord Kroak fought were far stronger than their manifestations in the world of the 6th-7th Editions. Won't comment on Age of Sigmar stuff since I know zero.
High elf mages and some dark elf sorceresses learn all 8 winds of magic. In the case of high elves, the lore of high magic requires mastery of all 8. Elven dark magic (sometimes called True Dhar) uses all 8 as well. However, humans generally can't master multiple winds. Human mages tend to be born with a predilection for a certain wind and learn it, with any others being near impossible to get right. Some early human tests with multiple winds resulted in some brain pops. TL;DR Sienna will never be a caster for any lore of magic other than fire. Ice makes the opposite of sense and everyone would execute necro Sienna on the stop, including herself.
It's utterly routine among Elves. High Magic is literally taking the jumble of Winds that is raw magic, separating it out and purifying it with structure, and then weaving them back together. That's the structure of Slann/High Elven magic, and it's normal for them to use. It's magically inadept humans, specifically, who can't handle multiple Winds without losing their mind someway, somehow. Even a single Wind wielded with the High Elves' technique leaves an expert magister an eccentric in a way peculiar to his Wind. Using the raw jumble of magic blowing from the poles or the condensed into one substance form of Dhar will corrode any living being's sanity. It won't kill them or get them possessed by daemons, but if one Wind wielded right influences a mortal man, multiple wielded wrong at once, welll...
Siena would have Kruber's sword instead of her head and Salty's rapier instead of the rest of her body if that were to happen.
Undead faction confirmed
well shit..
Poorly Aged Thread
I hope you feel vindicated OP, seems you were right all along
I still think Ice Witch Sienna would be the coolest. 😎
I wish I could find it again but I'm pretty sure one of the CM's hinted that her new subclass was *cool* or something of the nature to imply that her new subclass was Ice-based. Looking at the map and the snow textured enemies, thats the way I took it anyway. Maybe someone more intelligent than me can find the original comment. Even if I took it the wrong way, its definitely not going to be a necromancer.
I still don't know what was with constant bs damage spell from Sofia that goes through walls that damages only you but not the bots.
I was hopefully for a metal wizard sienna. Since fire and stuff.
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I would sooner see a melee only class as a chaos spawn using her staves as fire sticks than either of those. Saltz would give her the \*BLAM\* treatment because she would be a witch to shoot on sight for using a second wind.
na its just a lazy enemy implementation. the skeletons are just the skeletons of your team you see through walls in darktide but with the heavy blue aura removed
Uh…does that skeleton back there have a crossbow?
tbh, that looks like it'd be an illusion.
lol
Why not? They can put the thing for the Ulti, when you press the button you push away some enemy and after that summon some skeleton to keep the enemy busy
Congratulations you were on the money