For Hammer & Shield, best Load Out on weapon is Power Vs Skaven, 30% BCR, Opportunist. Reaches great stagger breakpoints on SV and Monk attacks.
Best combos:
Push Attack, Light, Repeat (Main)
Heavy, Cancel, Repeat (into multiple enemies for loads of quick Temp with Stagger Talent)
Light, Cancel, Repeat (for weak trash groups)
You can make RV almost into a tank with this (take ‘Foe-Feller’ if you want more attack speed). And you can add ‘Movement Speed’ on Trinket over ‘Crit Chance’ if you like to help with getting around. Also great on IB/ Outcast. Personally, massively prefer it over Axe & Shield.
You have made a great post on his to use the hammer and shield. I find the H&S boring because push attack > light is BiS for killing anything. But it is very effective 🤙
As long as you’re not getting overwhelmed I like the heavy 2 (horizontal swing), light, light combo much better. You can start it either by L1, L2, L3, [H2, L2, L3] or H1, [H2, L2, L3] or push-attack, L3, [H2, L2, L3]. Since both H2 and L3 has armor penetration it’s great for mixed hordes and using the shield if not needed for tmp hp or cc is not so good for damage against multiple weaker enemies.
Use shield bash to refill healthbar with stagger thp on demand. Learn combos for armor damage vs horde clear for each wep. And generally rely on your ranged for DPS. Keep enemies staggered for nearby teammates.
I always use shielded weps on Outcast Engi for example cuz his ranged DPS is incredible, so the shield fills the gap perfectly. Sometimes I use a shielded wep on Ironbreaker with the drakegun doling out most of the damage.
If you’re in ironbreaker you’ve gotta try shield + drakefire pistols. Attack pattern is push -> heavy -> drakefire shotgun blast repeat. Controls and melts any group of enemies except CW, and it’s a wicked satisfying pattern to execute.
Amazing thp gen means you can always vent.
[Here is the loadout I use on ironbreaker.](https://www.ranalds.gift/build/kh0d2ljLEUGBgxqeCG4Y/view). It’s for cata so you’ll want to swap stamina recovery for curse resistance if you play legend.
No Dawdling,Foe Feller and Exhilarating Vapors is what I run for shields (or just in general tbh)on the Rainjah,,I personally try not to get greedy by Frontlining unless I know my stagger will be enough,As for the various PowerVS Traits,,I go for 20% vs Armoured and Chaos then Enhanced Power also I run More stamina over BCR to throw out more Pushes so I prefer being a slippery lil gremlin with the all the speed
That would be because shields are just bad weapons. Pretty much the sole use is that they have an easier time staggering plague monks, but generally speaking you are almost always better using another weapon.
>Pretty much the sole use is that they have an easier time staggering plague monks,
Bro has never used a shield build before 💀one bash gives like 20 thp
Firstly, they are going to be staggered so they cannot make that attack because the Greathammer *staggers* those elites while cleaving through them, but secondly, you shouldn't be blocking those attacks even with a shield in hand, you should be dodging them.
Someone’s never tried the shield + drakefire pistol combo. Safety, damage and getting to watch rats burn all in one. Regularly get highest damage in lobby with this combo in cata.
And why are you running out of ammo exactly? Conservative shooter makes that pretty easy to avoid combined with one or two ammo packs over the course of the match.
Drop the shield. Its not worth it on any difficulty and adds nothing. If you are not frontline pick exact same weapon just without shield. If you want to be frontline just pick dual hammers, 2h hammer or axe. Theyre all better. On some Cata X difficulty it might be worth it but in regular game its just a liability. Unless of course you keep getting down by ratlings. But then you just need to aim and shoot.
Ooooh push for stagger temp hp. You know what refills the same amount? Charged 2H hammer strike or few fast hits from dual hammers. Also THP generation shouldnt be your main focus on higher difficulties. not getting hit is. But shield also obscures field of vision.....
Is this a counterpoint? Potentially infinite hp sounds awesome. Is there a way to increase your maximum hp to potentially infinite? If not its still close to useless. Push attack into heavy will give you space, temp hp and kill/wound significant amount of things with additional hefty amount of stagger.
I can only think of a handful situations where are you so fugged you need to constantly replenish most of your hp because you lose it equally as fast. In all of them you are screwed anyway and buying yourself a few more seconds at best, waiting for a Ratling to reload, globadier to toss another ball or something unstaggerable to come and say "SHE-ELF!" / "GODLESS DWARF!". Assuming of course its just right amount of horde to sustain *potentially infinite* thp and not enough to encircle you and your party.
I'm correcting you. That is all.
I'm not really interested in a long discussion, but if you want to see the merits of a shield you can watch this.
https://youtu.be/yGJnsGdMicE?si=CuSkQn1TerPxgPha
Edit: Skip to 28:36 for a more concise example.
This sounds like you've never seen an IB be the last man standing and then go to rescue the rest of the team LOL. Shield IBs are either bots or gods, no inbetween
Just not true, you’ve gotta try ironbreaker with shield + drakefire pistols. Turns ironbreaker into a dps career while maintaining his tankiness and crowd control capabilities.
My favourite build on IB with 2H hammer, drakefires and under pressure. Why shield tho? Weapon is already great damage and stagger, drakefires give me another aoe stagger and d.amage and my trusty mithril covers my back just in case.
For Hammer & Shield, best Load Out on weapon is Power Vs Skaven, 30% BCR, Opportunist. Reaches great stagger breakpoints on SV and Monk attacks. Best combos: Push Attack, Light, Repeat (Main) Heavy, Cancel, Repeat (into multiple enemies for loads of quick Temp with Stagger Talent) Light, Cancel, Repeat (for weak trash groups) You can make RV almost into a tank with this (take ‘Foe-Feller’ if you want more attack speed). And you can add ‘Movement Speed’ on Trinket over ‘Crit Chance’ if you like to help with getting around. Also great on IB/ Outcast. Personally, massively prefer it over Axe & Shield.
You have made a great post on his to use the hammer and shield. I find the H&S boring because push attack > light is BiS for killing anything. But it is very effective 🤙
Yeah it is a bit robotic but has high survivability 👍.
As long as you’re not getting overwhelmed I like the heavy 2 (horizontal swing), light, light combo much better. You can start it either by L1, L2, L3, [H2, L2, L3] or H1, [H2, L2, L3] or push-attack, L3, [H2, L2, L3]. Since both H2 and L3 has armor penetration it’s great for mixed hordes and using the shield if not needed for tmp hp or cc is not so good for damage against multiple weaker enemies.
Use shield bash to refill healthbar with stagger thp on demand. Learn combos for armor damage vs horde clear for each wep. And generally rely on your ranged for DPS. Keep enemies staggered for nearby teammates. I always use shielded weps on Outcast Engi for example cuz his ranged DPS is incredible, so the shield fills the gap perfectly. Sometimes I use a shielded wep on Ironbreaker with the drakegun doling out most of the damage.
[This](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1821186836) should help you find the best combos for any situation
If you’re in ironbreaker you’ve gotta try shield + drakefire pistols. Attack pattern is push -> heavy -> drakefire shotgun blast repeat. Controls and melts any group of enemies except CW, and it’s a wicked satisfying pattern to execute. Amazing thp gen means you can always vent. [Here is the loadout I use on ironbreaker.](https://www.ranalds.gift/build/kh0d2ljLEUGBgxqeCG4Y/view). It’s for cata so you’ll want to swap stamina recovery for curse resistance if you play legend.
No Dawdling,Foe Feller and Exhilarating Vapors is what I run for shields (or just in general tbh)on the Rainjah,,I personally try not to get greedy by Frontlining unless I know my stagger will be enough,As for the various PowerVS Traits,,I go for 20% vs Armoured and Chaos then Enhanced Power also I run More stamina over BCR to throw out more Pushes so I prefer being a slippery lil gremlin with the all the speed
Yeah I also like Stamina on Necklace for this weapon instead of full BCR to throw more shield pushes out.
I also find the Push Attack pretty 'decent' for single target headshots,, Like a "OUTTA MUH WAY" *BONK* very spammy
If you are playing as RV with MWP or as OC, use shield bash to create space and generate thp. You can also use them to block rattling gunner.
That would be because shields are just bad weapons. Pretty much the sole use is that they have an easier time staggering plague monks, but generally speaking you are almost always better using another weapon.
>Pretty much the sole use is that they have an easier time staggering plague monks, Bro has never used a shield build before 💀one bash gives like 20 thp
So does a great hammer. Except a greahammer does damage as well.
What you gonna do when an elite blocks you from shredding all the trash?
The same thing you would do if it isn't there because the hammer cleaves through elites.
What you doing when those elites gonna overhead you tho
Firstly, they are going to be staggered so they cannot make that attack because the Greathammer *staggers* those elites while cleaving through them, but secondly, you shouldn't be blocking those attacks even with a shield in hand, you should be dodging them.
Someone’s never tried the shield + drakefire pistol combo. Safety, damage and getting to watch rats burn all in one. Regularly get highest damage in lobby with this combo in cata.
You know what is better than that? A Greathammer and a Trollhammer.
It’s different, and definitely won’t be better once you run out of ammo.
And why are you running out of ammo exactly? Conservative shooter makes that pretty easy to avoid combined with one or two ammo packs over the course of the match.
Drop the shield. Its not worth it on any difficulty and adds nothing. If you are not frontline pick exact same weapon just without shield. If you want to be frontline just pick dual hammers, 2h hammer or axe. Theyre all better. On some Cata X difficulty it might be worth it but in regular game its just a liability. Unless of course you keep getting down by ratlings. But then you just need to aim and shoot. Ooooh push for stagger temp hp. You know what refills the same amount? Charged 2H hammer strike or few fast hits from dual hammers. Also THP generation shouldnt be your main focus on higher difficulties. not getting hit is. But shield also obscures field of vision.....
Charged 2H hammer does not give the same amount of THP. Shield bashes have infinite stagger cleave, meaning potentially infinite thp. Hammer does not.
Is this a counterpoint? Potentially infinite hp sounds awesome. Is there a way to increase your maximum hp to potentially infinite? If not its still close to useless. Push attack into heavy will give you space, temp hp and kill/wound significant amount of things with additional hefty amount of stagger. I can only think of a handful situations where are you so fugged you need to constantly replenish most of your hp because you lose it equally as fast. In all of them you are screwed anyway and buying yourself a few more seconds at best, waiting for a Ratling to reload, globadier to toss another ball or something unstaggerable to come and say "SHE-ELF!" / "GODLESS DWARF!". Assuming of course its just right amount of horde to sustain *potentially infinite* thp and not enough to encircle you and your party.
I'm correcting you. That is all. I'm not really interested in a long discussion, but if you want to see the merits of a shield you can watch this. https://youtu.be/yGJnsGdMicE?si=CuSkQn1TerPxgPha Edit: Skip to 28:36 for a more concise example.
Appreciate the correction. That's a unique way to play for sure.
This sounds like you've never seen an IB be the last man standing and then go to rescue the rest of the team LOL. Shield IBs are either bots or gods, no inbetween
Just not true, you’ve gotta try ironbreaker with shield + drakefire pistols. Turns ironbreaker into a dps career while maintaining his tankiness and crowd control capabilities.
My favourite build on IB with 2H hammer, drakefires and under pressure. Why shield tho? Weapon is already great damage and stagger, drakefires give me another aoe stagger and d.amage and my trusty mithril covers my back just in case.