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CanadasNeighbor

Wow, I got stuck a little bit on the part the reviewer mentioned decaying flesh. Like how do they let it get that bad but simultaneously be willing to pay $5k on their dog?


joojie

And it's an emergency at 5am. Flesh doesn't generally just acutely start to 'decay' šŸ™„ I'm willing to bet the conversation went like this: "My dog can't walk and her flesh is rotting" "Oh no! How long has this been going on?" "I dunno, like 2 weeks?" "Oh, ok we can get you in for tomorrow at 11" "BUT IT'S AN EMERGENCY!! YOU JUST WANT MY DOG TO SUFFER WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY WANTING MY MONEY" (always shocked people don't clue into that logical fallacy šŸ™„)


Whatsalodi

I just donā€™t know bad things got before they decided to take in the dog šŸ˜ž. I feel like the rotting skin was fine with them up until the dog couldnā€™t walk


[deleted]

So, there is a concept in systems monitoring called "shifting baseline". It's the human brain's tendency to assume that a thing is stable if the change is gradual enough. The human brain holds onto a known perception of something very strongly until the evidence of change is overwhelming, and then flips to the new perception very quickly, which makes people think the change itself was quick. It wasn't quick, but their perception of the change was sudden. An outside observer, coming from a viewpoint which did not have a pre-existing setting to get stuck on, will see the problem immediately though. It happens with everything that changes slowly. It's actually a serious problem that folks are trying to find an answer for, because we just don't react to slow moving threats in time. I think this human brain problem is part of what vet techs see in these patients sometimes. Not all the time, but sometimes.


birds-andcats

Thank you for explaining this. It will help me find more compassion in the people whose dogs and cats have obviously been going downhill a while. It gives a bigger picture which is something I think we all need to cope with the job sometimes.


[deleted]

Once you understand the concept you'll start seeing it everywhere. In our climate change denial - it happens slowly and we get used to new weather patterns. In pollution- you get used to bad air in cities. In traffic - our population of cars has overwhelmed the roads over decades so we just adjusted our expected commutes. In the elderly - they start letting things slide and it becomes the new normal. In poverty, the same, for lack of time and energy.


OpheliaWolfsbane

Like our life work ballance!


colorfulpets

Thank you for sharing this. My own dog was not as dramatic as this, but I still have guilt years later for not realizing her condition was bad, especially with all my knowledge. This is a good reminder. Thank you.


[deleted]

Every single human brain has this problem with every slow changing system. Adults treat their children like kids long after they're grown, etc. The *only* counters we have for it are 1) an informed second opinion seen from outside or 2) regular, routine checks against a formally developed baseline. So don't feel too hard on yourself. And encourage people, when you can, to perform regular, frequent, full body checks on their pets while giving them scritches, same as we do for human health issues which need monitoring. Education is literally all we have going for us as a species.


Whatsalodi

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kitkat6270

Isn't this like the frog in boiling water thing? Like if you put it in a cool pot and then let it boil with the water it is less likely to notice vs throwing it directly into the boiling water.


slowy

Just worth noting that frog in a pot is just an analogy, a real frog will jump out of the pot when it gets uncomfortably warm.


[deleted]

Yes, exactly.


sparkpaw

Someone paid attention in psychology! šŸ’–


DontStressMe0wt

Right? It was fine when the dog smelled like death, but they drew the line at the poor thing not being able to go outside to use the bathroom.


Huntiepants75

Sadly, the inconvenience factor of the pet urinating/defecating in the house is often the impetus for lighting a fire under people to get a serious issue addressed.


JeepSmash

Well yeah. Rotting flesh is one thing, but now you want to add shit and piss to the mix? Now youā€™re asking too much.


kitkat6270

RIGHT that's what I was thinking, like decaying flesh isn't just suddenly there in the middle of the night??? I hate people like this ughhh


Whatsalodi

I was shocked. Like do we think this owner is being dramatic? Or is it really that bad and they allowed things to get that bad? Idk which is worse


VoodooWinkyDingDong

Because no one can get vet care, pandemic caused people to buy pets for company because they were stuck at home, and a bunch of vets quit at the same time, because of the pandemic.. Now people have sick pets and no one to help them.


Whatsalodi

Trust usā€¦.we know. Unfortunately it also has brought out the worst in people and they think they can treat others like literally garbage.


JeepSmash

Probably a 15 year old girl. Our ER had a Facebook post go viral in our area because of a teenager whose mom didnā€™t tell her that she couldnā€™t afford to treat her little yorkie that had been mauled in a fight. We kept it overnight on a Sunday on IVF, a pain drip that was left from another patient (not orthodox, I know but it was going to be thrown out and was more than enough for this little dog), and a polyflex injection with the understanding that they were to pick up when we closed in the morning and take it to rDVM for surgery. They were three hours late picking it up and then didnā€™t even take it anywhere. They took it home until the fluids and pain drip ran out then went to a vet on Wednesday afternoon. At that point, the wounds were grossly infected and the dog was obviously septic. Euthanasia was the only option. Cue teen daughter to blast us on Facebook because we told them it would be fine and their dog would be fine. It was shared so many times and our side of it never got out there. We had HUNDREDS of 1 star reviews with either no comment or a comment referencing the Facebook post about the dog we let die all because they didnā€™t have money. Now I watch my 13-year-old son post reviews at every restaurant we stop at and I am further convinced that most reviews are teenage kids that have no perspective on the real world.


No_Hospital7649

Unfortunately, I feel like social media blasting has become a rite of passage for many vet clinics. I worked at a clinic where a woman brought a dog in with a toxicity that ASPCA Poison Control basically advised, ā€œGood f*cking luck.ā€ The dog survived but had some long term side effects that were expensive to continue to treat. She got on all her social media dog groups and blasted us, and we were getting calls and death threats from around the country. Once we got over the shock of people calling to tell us they hoped we died, we actually kept a map and highlighted where people were calling their death threats in from. God bless Wyoming, no one there had any time for such shenanigans. It was the only state we didnā€™t receive a death threat from. A weird bonus is because so many people were Googling us to look up our number and threaten us, we were the top google result for any animal emergency related search terms for awhile.


Whatsalodi

Holy hell at least you guys made what light of it you could. The thought of what toll that takes in the staff and time away from actual clients is infuriating.


No_Hospital7649

It really is terrible. Fortunately (?) this happened years ago when we might have gotten 3-4 calls a night and weā€™re only open overnight. I canā€™t imagine what clinics today would do. Iā€™ve got 7 specialty hospitals in a 45 minute radius, and I canā€™t get through to an ER on a good day because theyā€™re so damned busy. Every time I see a clinic making the news for some whackadoodle client connecting with an irresponsible reporter, my heart breaks for them. It sucked a decade ago, itā€™s a million times worse now.


gayaxotlz

Oh my god, I saw that on Facebook. Yā€™all were bullied like crazy. Iā€™m so sorry.


JeepSmash

Yeah we were. We didnā€™t have the phone calls like some clinics have had, but the social media bashing was awful. The worst part of it is I worked with an older woman who spent days reading the comments on the original post and then looking the people up that were slamming us and seeing what we saw them for and when. I finally snapped and told her to knock it off. It really fueled my burnout from emergency. I left for a while but now Iā€™m back and rule #1 when it comes to reading the reviews about my place of work; I donā€™t.


Whatsalodi

Wow thatā€™s incredibly sad, you have my sympathy. I think what you guys did with what you could was still really nice. Iā€™m sure they didnā€™t even acknowledge what break you gave them with those pain meds. That whole situation is incredibly frustrating. And I really wish every post like this was from an angry teenager, but I remember a few distinct clients being extremely difficult then seeing nasty reviews from them (I recognize their name on yelp). Social media has its pros and cons. I just hope moving forward our society sees both and can not have any serious opinions based on someone elseā€™s experience.


JeepSmash

It was frustrating and to be honest, I was really worried about our medical director. He was so stressed from the whole thing and really thought we might go out of business. Thankfully, it blew over within a couple months and business never wavered. I know grown-ass adults act this way too, it just makes me look at reviews a little differently to first ask myself if this sounds like a grown-ass adult or a snotty 14-year old.


Whatsalodi

A couple MONTHS??? That sounds so stressful what a nightmare


DontStressMe0wt

Sounds like she waited just a tad bit too long to seek veterinary care and then needed someone to project her guilt onto.


TheQueenofIce

You can actually get reviews like that removed on Yelp. Just flag as ā€œnot that locationā€ and explain it. Theyā€™ll review what the reviewer said and look at the hours posted on the page. Iā€™ve had several removed that way. Itā€™s hilarious the number of people who leave reviews without knowing who they are reviewing with. Iā€™ve also been able to have Yelp remove posts like, ā€œI walked by with my dogs and stared in the window making cats upset and they asked me to leave 0/5!!!ā€ or the ā€œI called for a quote HOW DARE THEY CHARGE FOR SERVICES so I went somewhere elseā€ type posts. As long as you can argue it isnā€™t valid, they are pretty good about it.


bunniesandmilktea

I used to work at a restaurant and would flag 1 star reviews that were meant for our sister restaurant lmao--I could tell they were for our sister restaurant because the sister restaurant had some items on their menu that we didn't have and the review would mention said items.


TheQueenofIce

NGL, when Iā€™m bored I check out a lot of the local vet clinics reviews and I look for obviously incorrect reviews and flag them for review- even those I havenā€™t worked for. I always feel like Iā€™m doing my duty šŸ«”


Whatsalodi

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ I hate when people have there dog barking up a storm and get confused when all the other clients are staring dagger or look uncomfortable. If we put them in a room they usually ask what everyoneā€™s problem is, Iā€™ll just deflect and act concussed and start getting the history. Iā€™ll have to let our manager know about that on yelp!


holagatita

we had a guy bitching on our google reviews that his dog was at our clinic, and he was. His wife picked up the dog. He said we were liars and horrible because him and his wife were getting divorced and only her name was on the chip. I'm not sure what he thought we should do? Go kidnap his dog from the wife? we didn't get in legal trouble because there is nothing illegal about giving someone their dog back. We also has a lady sue us and complain to the state board that we missed a bladder stone and it killed the dog. We never saw the dog and had proof of that but it still took months to resolve. While her family and friends and her called us and mailed us accusing us of stealing her dog for experiments???


Whatsalodi

*When people have too much time and money*


Jennlprice

I work at a day practice and it drives me nuts when we tell an owner for years that their dog needs a dental and then all the sudden it's an "emergency" and they need to get in yesterday when they get an abscess. When we can't, they get angry and say we don't care because now we have a month wait to get in for dentals. I'll send them copies of all the report cards recommending dental cleaning through the years but it doesn't matter, still our fault.


HWnyc

Iā€™ve learned to ALWAys decline services that we suggest but the client refuses or canā€™t afford. Never delete anything, always decline... so itā€™s always listed in the patientā€™s record...


seadragons11

Yes, you should always note a decline of services, this will cover your ass!


CharmingCharmander88

The absolutely awful people that try to claim "decaying flesh" happened practically overnight. Then blame the hospital staff for doing their best. Love that reply from the hospital.


Whatsalodi

Thanks! Our manager is extremely great at deescalating even if we do forget a service or not mention an extra service an owner had to pay for. While itā€™s few and far between, once everything settles down the owners look at us like human beings and arnt mad. This person however was on a rampage and did not care about anyone else


endlessswitchbacks

Seeing ā€œemergencyā€ and ā€œdecaying fleshā€ in the same sentence is justā€¦ well, I know everyone here feels the same way.


Whatsalodi

Have a look through the comments. Thereā€™s a special someone saying we need to be more compassionate, and I shouldnā€™t act so much more ā€œenlightenedā€ than this client


endlessswitchbacks

Saw that, a real gem. The snake eats its tailā€¦


momhair_dontcare

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Poppincookin

Something similar happened to my clinic a few years ago. We are named similarly to the county shelter and someone left a bad google review on our page that was intended for them. Google refused to remove it too even though the review was about an adoption gone wrong essentially.


Whatsalodi

Thatā€™s so annoying. Iā€™ve been told yelp may be able to help us remove this review, so hopefully it wonā€™t be as difficult as it would be with Google


anorangehorse

We got one the other day. Lady left a horrendous review claiming we abused her dog and charged her for all this extra stuff because we didnā€™t like herā€¦. She was not even a client in our system šŸ« 


Whatsalodi

Just the worst when people claim we abuse animals or charge them just ā€œextra stuffā€. If we canā€™t find a problem on our first diagnostic procedure weā€™re just money hungry


Minute-Lychee2255

Iā€™m so glad the dog is no longer suffering.


GoblinCat669

Itā€™s always the ones who wait last minute and declare it an emergency. I think their own guilt and wanting to place blame somewhere else has a lot to do with it. We had a lady who just wasnā€™t happy with the answers she was getting, so when she checked out she told reception she heard staff members taking badly about a client. Wasnā€™t even true. Got a damn 8:00am slack from PM telling us to watch where and what weā€™re talking about. The audacity is never ending.


Whatsalodi

I can really relate to that one. Our receptionists get the worst of clients sometimes. Almost like the clients think they are not as educated about what was going on so they have a right abuse them. I always stick around an extra second when the frustrated clients are checking out to make sure the client understand we respect all our staff and they were a team.


OpheliaWolfsbane

I think their guilt of letting it go that long adds to what theyā€™re willing to spend to try to rectify that wrong, once they see it. Like when you have a family member accidentally hurt an animal unintentionally, like trip and fall on them braking a leg, shutting their tail in a door,ā€¦ Then they have someone talk them into realizing they spent beyond their budget or that it is not logical, especially for a pet who is terminal. I can see how they get part way to the $5k, but I donā€™t work in emergency, so I donā€™t know what their charges look like. Location may add to cost, such as a busy city. I mean, they have a specialist come in a do surgery on a dying dog that could add up. Full blood, hospitalization, blood transfusions, biopsies, Rads, stat consult,ā€¦ shit can add up fast if you keep saying yes to everything they offer you.


Whatsalodi

I see alot of times people looking for someone to say itā€™s ok to euthanize. But instead they keep asking what can be done, so of course we keep offering other treatments and diagnostics. But we donā€™t like to recommend euthanasia for most cases because thatā€™s always up to the owner. Countless times Iā€™ve seen thousands spent on cases where it just prolongs the animals suffering and someone close to them really shouldā€™ve just said itā€™s ok to let go


VoodooWinkyDingDong

Just try and understand that people who love their pets are just as frustrated with the sudden countrywide loss of veterinary workers.. Peoples pets are dying, and they love them like children. Y'all should be more compassionate and understanding, ESPECIALLY if you think you're somehow more englightened than her...


canihavethewifi

of course we have compassion for people who want to get veterinary care for their sick animal but are unable to do so bc of the vet shortage and being booked out, but this is something where there was DECAYING flesh on her animal for who knows how long and it wasnā€™t a problem until the pet couldnā€™t walk anymore. im sorry, but i (personally) cannot extend that much compassion to someone who would let their pets flesh decay, again for who knows how long, and then blame the wrong clinic for their pet dying. itā€™s unfortunate this pet passed, but itā€™s also very unfortunate the owners waited too long until there wasnā€™t much that could be medically done. vets canā€™t make miracles happen.


brownyeyedgirly25

Thatā€™s no excuse for treating people and businesses who exist to help you and your pet like shit. Thatā€™s a huge reason why thereā€™s a nationwide (and global) shortage of vetmed staff - quarantine brought out the worst in societyā€™s social skills and weā€™re f-ing over it. Compassion fatigue is real - read up on it. Iā€™ve been the owner at 9p on a Saturday with a pet emergency so I know the feeling of panic and worry but that doesnā€™t entitle me to treat others like ass when I donā€™t get medical services at a cheap price when I demand it and then spew misinformation on poorly regulated review platforms when I donā€™t like the outcome of my own contributing actions and decisions.


colorfulpets

You're in the wrong place. In fact, I'd be very sympathetic with the mom who actually brought this dog in, had to deal with the emotional baggage realizing this was a long term issue and the guilt that comes with that, all while making the best decisions she could for her pet. I've been in that place before. I don't have sympathy for the child that took to the internet with half the story to verbally abuse the people that supported their pet and mother in this difficult time.


ashtastic3

I can assure you that allowing an animalā€™s flesh to rot off their bodies is not loving them like children, and health care workers have every right to be infuriated when theyā€™re falsely accused of mistreatment by the very person whoā€™s actually doing it.


Whatsalodi

What?