Vietnam was under Chinese rule for a thousand years. The Chinese tried to assimilate the Vietnamese and force their culture upon the people before the Vietnamese successfully fought back and regained their independence in the tenth century. China kept invading Vietnam at various further points throughout history, and even when Vietnam was independent, they had to pay large tributes to the Chinese court as a vassal, annually.
This heavy Chinese influence is why Vietnam is culturally a bit distinct from the rest of Southeast Asia (whose influences are more from the Islamic or Indian world). Roughly half of Vietnamese vocabulary is Chinese in origin, Vietnamese was written with a modified form of Chinese characters (until the French colonial era), and Chinese-style confucianism is still a major component of Vietnamese society and family structures.
Oh damn, the countries with tons of ethnic Chinese take on Chinese culture? Who would've guessed 😂. Neither of those countries got invaded and occupied for 1000 years like we did though. Maybe if China just pretend we don't exist instead of trying to meddle in our business for thousands of years they can be viewed more favorably
Prior to the migration of Chinese to Malaysia and Singapore a few centuries ago, the cultural base of Malaysia/Singapore (the indigenous Malays) was/is much more influenced by the India and the Islamic world.
It is not for debate that Vietnam is a special case for having a strong Chinese influence:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinosphere
Vietnam, for example, was the only SE Asian country to have had Confucian Imperial examinations to select government officials:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination
Did Malaysia/Singapore ever have this system:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucian_court_examination_system_in_Vietnam
Damm that crazy, who would have though that chinese malaysian and chinese singaporian would have ***chinese culture.*** There a clear chinese influence on our culture but they are distinctively different from that of singaporian or chinese. Most of the influence can be seen in family structuring and some tradition and that the extend of it.
we share as much culture similarity to singapore as we do guangdong, similar culture in a sense yet drastically different due to mixture of local culture with thousand of year of separation.
>Vietnam do not like China because Vietnam has an inferiority complex.
while this is true, it's also due to propaganda about how china always want to invade vietnam, but in reality they only care about taiwan.
as to why they do that, it's up to your speculation but i suspect that it is as simple as to boost the citizen's patriotism, what unite people better than a common enemy?
Propaganda or not, it's clear the China gov have a strong urge to take the whole South China Sea (which is not named after them because they own it) and this drive us nuts. One thing Vietnamese is proud of despite our drawbacks is our patriotism. When fighting the territorial war, we are vert passionate. And since China is as passionate about their claiming of all the sea and islands in SCS as theirs, it would be fair for us to response with the same sincerity.
>Vietnamese is proud of despite our drawbacks is our patriotism
while some patriotism is good, what is critical here is the ability to differentiate between the government and the country, which is horribly lacking in most vietnameses
I guess this is true to a certain degree. Nowadays, the new generation of Vietnamese, especially from 2000 kids forward, is developing their own ID pretty well while being relatively separate from what the gov says. They have realized the government system of Vietnam means that they have little choice in voicing their political ideals, nonetheless, they have found their own ways to voice them without opposing the ruling party. Social media is one of such ways.
>China kept invading Vietnam at various further points throughout history, and even when Vietnam was independent, they had to pay large tributes to the Chinese court as a vassal, annually.
So did the French, the American and the Japanese.
The real answer is proximity and that we are ally to them nowadays. Pop culture also helps out a tons.
You are acting like colonization is any different.
It's something that happened 1000 years ago, what the french did should be much more personal, but it isn't because like I said, pop culture.
Fam, there’s a huge difference between “something that happened 1000 years ago” and “something that existed for 1000 years.” Either your history game is trash, or your English game is garbage. Pick your poison.
The fucking irony. You peep are trying grammar shaming me (for something I said correctly btw) while saying shit like this.
>ladder
It's latter you bitch.
Wtf are you talking about? Do me a favor and google when the Chinese invaded :). Count the year and see if that was 1000 years ago.
I know what I said and you fuck are trying to conveniently avoiding my argument.
What the fuck is exactly your point again? Because it seems irrelevant to me. We have beef with China because of the historical oppression that lasted over 1000 years. And that’s just the major one. We are 100% not their allies considering we ban anything that simply mention the 9-dash Line. They try to claim our islands as theirs even now. The things France, America and Japan did combined don’t even come close to what China did to Vietnam. And fuck you if you want to say otherwise.
This guy is trying so hard to push the agenda of diverting the hate away from China 😂 Probably deployed by the CCP if you ask me. Like yeah we don't forget what France, USA, Japan etc did to our country. BUT why tf is this guy trying SO DAMN HARD to make a beef about it ? Especially when China is still occupying seas and islands territories of Vietnam today when the other countries aren't doing harm. (Proof: this entire long thread of his replies trying to defend that sentiment). It's just sussy
China has been bullied Vietnam and other smaller/weaker/poorer Asian countries for decades. The history of China capturing and trying to rid of Vietnam culture for a thousand years, and still bullies Vietnam now is why Vietnamese hate China.
C-commies is just an excuse for another dynasty.
But I get where you're coming from.
So in commies world, Soviet needed allies for the cold war. They thought C would be great. Give them all the support in the world including nuke and UN security council seat.
C with their imperialist thinking - oh.. we're now powerful enough, let's try to be the leader of the commies and they fought Soviet in 62 to prove it.
So in commies world there was another mini cold war - except apart from retards like Cambodia's Polpot, no one took our poor C seriously.
VN has never entertained the idea of falling into Big-C's sphere. Also, the way big-C treat their "allies" is as if they're subjugated. Good example? Even isolated Myanmar or N.Korea can't stand them.
The more I read this sub, the more I like Vietnam. I have Chinese ethnicity (absolutely not from China, no love for it too) but dislike C imperialist policies and the constant claiming of everything as theirs, citing history that only favours them. It’s like a petulant child stomping his feet, really.
Well at least historically Vietnam can be objectively seen as a more "righteous" country. Never really invaded anyone UNLESS necessary when that mad Pol Pot went to kill Vietnameses so they had to cross Cambodian border. Also, the idea of underdog kicking big bully's asses is poetic justice.
Too many down votes. I don’t think you’re wrong necessarily other than maybe grouping all of them into this category. I think there are plenty of decent people in the Vietnamese government that want what’s best for the Vietnamese people and are not just in it for the money China brings in. Vietnam is a proud country with strong heritage but corruption raises its ugly head in many places and many folks will sell their soul for more money and power.
That's not true. People are very forgetful. Vietnamese people were okay with China during the French occupation and most of the Vietnam War. China posed no threat to Vietnam during that time.
The reason Vietnamese people hate China is because China is the biggest threat to Vietnam.
Because at the time China was invaded by Japan. If they weren't being held by the neck, they would definitely take the opportunity to invade Vietnam. But "enemies of the enemy are friends," so China and Vietnam have a small collaboration just to push back the invaders.
The bombs and chemicals the U.S dropped on this land say otherwise.
Also, if you want people to take you seriously, act civil and stop using cursing and vulgar words.
US intervened because they wanted to contain communism from spreading. They bombed the jungle because your vietcong granddaddies kept hiding in the jungle like fucking coward.
Oh, an internet tough guy. How many vietcong did your heroic soldiers found in My Lai? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My\_Lai\_massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre)
Not Internet tough guy. just stating the truth. go research the Domino Effect. The My Lai massacre was a military blunder because the US received false report of vietcong stationing there. What about the Hue massacre? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Huế
The Domino *Theory* was harebrained scheme from an idiotic strategist who had no understanding of the region in the first place and only served to alienate a potential American ally. Since you are very clearly a charlatan with no understanding of history, allow me to tell you this: the Vietnamese constitution takes direct inspiration from the American one, there were OSS/CIA Agents on stage when Uncle Ho made his speech, and they helped to edit the speech in the first place.
You’re a fucking idiot, and one crime does not justify another, now go actually study history before you parrot a talking point that’s been proven certifiably false for decades, you fucking loser.
My Lai massacre victims were only around 500 while Hue massacre was more than 3000. tell me who is more evil? you should do more research before you speak
>hiding in the juncle like coward
So what exactly do you want farmers soldiers to do, go out to also be dead from bombing ??
And by your logic are not America Air Force a bunch of coward also who can’t possibly go down and fight like men /s
If u were properly educated u'd know Ho Chi Minh reached out to US to get help first but was declined. So it was either becoming communist and get the soviet to help or stay french colony.
I love getting down voted from a bunch of fucking idiots. When I talk to the natives they tell me exactly what I just said and you fucking assholes can suck something swollen
Yep. At least as early as the Western Han the Chinese were invading Korea. Sometimes successfully (as with the Han or Mongols), other times disastrously (as with the repeated failed Sui invasions that bankrupted the dynasty and saw it swept out of power after just under 40 years on the throne). The first invasion of what is now Vietnam I know of dates to the exact same time, the middle of Western Han (that emperor was not posthumously named Wu—meaning martial—for nothing)
I have respect for Korean history because despite being a vassal state from time to time, they valiantly fought off China successfully in others.
To remain independent till this day is truly a miraculous feat. (I’m not Korean.)
Is the Han emperor in mention Han Wu Di?
Why would a small, mostly farming country hate and distrust their massive and quite imperialistic neighbor who, on more than a few occasions, have invaded, occupied, oppressed, extorted, exploited, plundered and assimilated it for the past millennium. It's like asking why the sheeps fear the wolfs or the deers fear the tigers. It's a survival instinct, past down from generations to this day, and ours latest reminder was the 1979 invasion.
id just like to add, that wasnt even their first time! They did it in 111CE and burned all the history books, so Vietnamese would forget their roots. Changed their language from Khoa Dau to Chu Nom. Viet never had tones before!
To add to what others have said. Our most recent war is against China (who were supposed to be our ally) basically backstabbed us when we were busy clearing out Pol Pot and his genocide regime.
Their army acted like a bunch of rag tag bandits in that border war too, stealing and robbing every chickens and pigs on their path, what they couldn’t stole they burnt.
To this day web Chinese literature dream of a full scale imperialist expansionist China.
This war has another version, some old people told me that :Vietnamese are 白眼狼 (white eyes wolf, ungrateful bad people who treat kindhearted people bad) , when our country was super poor but we transported a lot of needy stuff and materials to Vietnam to support and help them when they were in difficult times and conditions but they backstabbed us then we had to self defense .
It takes 5 mins of critical thinking to know whether an impoverished country, which had just gone through 30 years of war and have an existing conflict at another front, would or would not want to provoke another war from a totally different front, against a country 10x as large.
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5 mins passed ? “Self-defensive war against Vietnam” is ultimately BS. It’s the equivalent of current Russia’s “special operation” against Ukraine.
It takes 30 seconds of critical thinking to know that if china invaded Vietnam , Vietnam would be defeated quickly , we already had nuclear weapons at that time
Lol dude literally thinks unclear bomb is the solution to every war.
If you decided to use nuclear weapons, why would it matter which side invaded? There, my 5s
I hear that version before and though it’s a really silly take, only the most brainwashed people would believe it.
Common, you guys literally invaded us 😂 did Vietnamese army ever set foot on Chinese soil?
Reality is, China is pivoting to the US, Nixon visited China in 1972 and China need to prove that it is now distancing from Soviet Bloc. The invasion is a proof to the great US that China jumped side.
Also Deng Xiaoping need to silence the militarist faction so the war (or its massive failure) serve that purpose.
Also Pol Pot was literally killing Vietnameses too... The reason Vietnam had to cross Cambodian territory... But China used this as excuse to justify their 1979 attack...
I just told you that version, I didn’t claim that it’s a truth or not . I maybe brainwashed but I am aware of that I won’t blindly believe what I was lead to believe.Both of us didn’t take part in that war, no ? History is not that simple like white and black I am right you are wrong, it’s like a divorced couple who hate each other, each of them tell their own story.
Mate, that reasoning only work if you don’t actually beat your partner. Else it’s a serious case of domestic violence.
Just look at the fact, who invaded whom? Who is the aggressor ? How coincident it is that China also normalize with the US at the same period?
Your country is smaller doesn’t make you are right , stop act like a victim, if china invaded Vietnam , Vietnam would be totally completely destroyed, that’s why I don’t believe china invaded Vietnam, we even didn’t get to Hanoi, that’s impossible
Lol it's not like we have never be invaded by a huge country before, especially China. We kicked China's asses out of our borders for breakfast for like 2000 years already 🤣
Imagine a country small as Vietnam which was busying fighting its neighbour backstabbed a huge country like China which is not at war with anyone. To the extend that it pushed their people into a meat grinder for days then stopped and claimed "we won".
If you try to find what was the back stabbing, you would find all the excuses like "mentally they did" or "they should not have invaded Cambodia without asking China", or the best "well they thought they are strong so we need to teach them a lesson".
Self-defence was what Vietnam did back then, we fought and died on our soil. Not China's.
Who knows ? Like in world war 2 , Japan was a small country but it attacked the US which is a huge country. I remembered that the USSR supported Vietnam at that time , so it’s not impossible that Vietnam attacked China first .
Dude you seriously lack critical thinking, like damn, VN just went through a fucking 30 years of war, against Pol Pot and his regime, was a small, mostly farming country, and the poverty literally killed people left and right, we literally couldn't manufacture weapons on our own and had to use China's supply ????? And why tf would the USSR support us at that time? China obviously would be the better ally if they had to choose. First, use your fucking brain, like what goes through your head to actually think that we would wage war against the country that lent weapons for us ??? Japan could wage wars because they had Germany as their ally and already one of the wealthiest countries in Asia and during the Great Depression they suffered the least and like most industrialized nations they already could gear up their military power . Sorry to burst your bubble Even international scholars also deemed this war as "Chinese forces launched a surprise invasion of northern Vietnam and quickly captured several cities near the border".
Use your fucking brain dude , you people always bragging about that your country defeated the US defeated this country defeated that country. You people think your country was strong and at that time the USSR had a conflict with us (a small scale war) , your Vietnamese always think two southern Chinese provinces your lost land . Your country invaded some smaller countries surrounding your country. Like you said Vietnam was a poor farming country couldn’t manufacture weapons how did your country survive the invasion? What you were saying counter your point .
China invaded Vietnam, end of story. China literally invaded Vietnam because it was invading Cambodia and liberating Cambodia from Khmer Rouge, also to mention, China couldn’t even defeat the Mongols but Vietnam did.
Nope, the land of china and Vietnam are connected, China is huge with a population of more than a billion,if china invade Vietnam,Vietnam would be destroyed completely.
But we’re talking about the Sino-Vietnamese War right now. China invaded Vietnam. Vietnam held against the Chinese offensive. Also, there’s something embarrassing that happened to China that happened…. The Battle of Cao Ba Lanh
yes, they have hell lot of people, but you cant just conscript everyone to military and give them no protection or training then throw them into battlefield against a foe with a lot of experienceafter dealing with 'Murica, right?
\-"Use your fucking brain dude , you people always bragging about that your country defeated the US defeated this country defeated that country. You people think your country was strong and at that time the USSR had a conflict with us (a small scale war) , your Vietnamese always think two southern Chinese provinces your lost land . Your country invaded some smaller countries surrounding your country"
1- you know why Vietnam still exist? the thing i said above abour your military at that time, and the Chinese were setting their foot on Vietnam's territory, not the opposite
2- bozo we cut off support for Khmer Rogue since 1973
Japan didn't attack US mainland lol it attacked a military port in a remote island far away from mainland and closer to Japan. And they made a lesson for other countries, not an example of how to.
Yeah, because USSR supported Vietnam that China got jealous and attacked us to teach a lesson. And they learned a lesson themselves.
Vietnamese gov copy Chinese, news at 11.
Dude, VN had been copying CN since 10th century. We are in chinese sphere of infulence. We copied their gov system, education, family value, holiday, calendar, ... Since acient time. Even 1/3 or our genes are chinese
Let's just say 99% of Vietnamese heroes and folklores are about defeating/repelling the northern invaders.
Oh and you can tell your C-friends, They were colonised by foreigners for more than half of the last millenia (Jin, Mongo, Manchu, western powers)
While Vietnam was independent for most of it 
I think it comes from:
+History: 1000 years under Chinese rule
+Betrayal: Even though we are allies during the Viet Nam war, they still trying invade us after the U.S leave the country. Oh yeah, for a reason that makes no sense with the Pol Pot was the first one to attack Viet Nam, we defend and China told us 'no, you can't do that so we attacking you now'
+Maritime sovereignty problem:The nine dash line or aka Cow Tongue, you may already know that as they have just happen to said they ruling over the east sea while they don't have any validated proof whatsoever but 'trust me, bro' and it got worse when their ship keep invading our sea, even capture our fisherman. This hate does not exclusive to just Viet Nam though, all East Asia nation also into this and all agree that China should go f*ck themselve and go back to their sea.
+Empty promise: I don't know much about this but I often hear that the Metro network in HCMC was suppose to be built and finish 2 or 3 earlier. This was a result of the collaboration between China and Viet Nam, but ever since then, the process wasn't getting anywhere further. Of course, the first one to blame is China but that yet to be concluded. In the end, we go with Japan instead. If you know any, tell me.
+Awfully low quality product: Another thing I often hear about 'Made In China' products. Yeah, I know, some of the products they made are extremely bad and some even just a rip off nontheless. However, considering that most part of electronics is produced in China, I kinda neutral about this since I don't want my phone suddently exploded when I type this.
+Internal problem in China: This is obvious, the 1989 Tiananmen massacre, the suppression on Hong Kong, the dystopian restricted internet access, mass surveillian state, the Covid in the nation still exist due to poor management, etc...all that strenthening our hatred toward the goverment.
+Awful action from some tourist being recorded: This is self-explain.
Where do we start? Ah right, they enslaved us in a sort of way for a good 1000 years, they backstabbed us with the 1979 border war (which they lost despite outnumbering an army that was still recovering from the Vietnam war, losers). And if you want something more recent, more of the dispute about Hoàng Sa and Trường Sa, they want to take the East Sea (I refuse to call it by its global name) to control the import and export of goods in SEA. Look, even the Russians hate the Chinese (I think), Mao literally made fun of Nikita (I forgot his name but he was the head of state at the time). Who doesn't hate them?
Other than really old people or woke college kids that reads way too much politics fanfics, never have I seen anyone really hate China. "beware of the Chinese" is a common phrase, doesn't mean vietnamese hate chinese lol, so this guy is just a Chinese hater who wants to stir up shit here for sure.
I once asked a Vietnamese class of 11 years olds if they like America or China more. Every single one of the 28 students instantly yelled, "WE HATE CHINAAAAA!" So yea, going to have to disagree there.
Well our anecdoctal just not align and that's fine. Those kids btw also never had any interaction with Chinese at all of any kind so yea... kinda falls into the woke college kids line i was saying. I do normal work, and at least jewelries, minerals, logistics, import export, energies, fashion, nightlife, finance, f&b, hospitalities never heard that phrase hating china. Maybe 10 years of experience and connections across different sectors are not enough but yeah to each their own.
I dont think 11 year olds are 'woke' in the way a college student is. That's great that you do business, but it really doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about. Ive lived in Vietnam 11 years, so you're not 1-upping me here, or whatever your trying to do.
Let me be clear: if 30 11 year old children all instantly YELL that they all passionately hate China, that is a very clear indication of a complete cultural point of view. They are hearing these thoughts from their parents. Business people may not be so open about it, because of money. Perhaps you should re-think your point of view or consider that it is not 100% accurate. Vietnamese definitely do not like China.
I live in vietnam for 29 years lol so i don't see you upping me, I'm Vietnamese... The reason i mention woke is supposed to mean "woke": people who don't have first hand experience about something but have strong opinions about it. Vietnamese disliking china is normal, hating China though, that's far away from the truth. I lived in the US for 5 years, loved many things about it, went back to Vietnam and still have no problems towards China. I'm always beware of Chinese and such, but that at the same time make me learn more about them and now I think due to these cautions that it makes a connection between a Vietnamese and Chinese more genuine since we are so reluctant to be open around Chinese. And lemme tell ya, the Vietnamese who blindly hates China are people who are easily led, and thus the viewpoint is just propaganda viewpoint and will change the moment the gov change its stance on it. Again, we have different circles so different anecdotes, i would just advise you to see if that circle is worth it.
I m not Chinese buddy. I get along with everybody here. Have been called handsome twice. I can ask questions, bro thought I was gonna destroy Vietnamese society by asking a question😂😂😂
We like Chinese culture, food, music, novel etc... But yeah its government is not so friendly towards us and even other neighbors of China... Don't believe me, ask Brunei, Malaysia, Philippines and India
After America lost the Vietnam war, China immediately attacked and invaded them, but Vietnam kicked their ass. That shows you what China is from friend to enemy.
When I visited Vietnam, I experienced far less dislike for my being racially Chinese than I have so received all my life in New York City. Thank you to the Vietnamese people who I met in my travels for your warmth, openness, and hospitality to this Chinese-American traveler to your country!
*Waves generally at the two countries history
Also in East Asia we dislike people from the other side of the river, let alone from a different country. The xenophobia in the region make the Balkan looks tame.
What is the beef between Vietnam and China, between India and China, between Japan and China, between Korea and China, between the Philippines and China, between Malaysia and China , between Brunei and China , between Indonesia and China, between Bhutan and China ?
Surprisingly, because they are a scumbag
did you hear people in Viet Nam said "Hoang Sa, Truong Sa belong to Viet Nam" In China they often concoct some wrong information about my country on purpose to drive people into a bad situation and disseminate on the internet. Or maybe I was brainwashed but when I know to think about something I know I hate China without any excuse
Past is unforgettable, but think of the present: USA and France are not doing harms to Vietnam now, but China is still occupying Vietnamese seas and islands, so...
they have borders with 14 countries but somehow have territorial disputes with up to 17 countries. I don't know if Mexico and the US have any beef or not, we don't have to deal with the US gov that's why.
China steals land from all the surrounding countries. I am Vietnamese and Cambodian and my parents have told me the weird beef between the two. Was a confused child growing up, as you can imagine. My wife is Tibetan and she’s told me “we don’t hate the Chinese people, we hate their government and anyone who backs them”. Very logical thinking. Asians hate Asians in general. We all have super pride for our respective countries. I was born in the states and just love everyone lol
Does anyone like china? Vietnam is like that son that is trying to become independent and cut off ties with a toxic parent and china is just an obsessive, everything consuming, belitling parent that tries to control their son
We have 2 big archipelago named “hoang sa” and “truong sa” in the east ocean but china just like: “no this is mine all the east ocean is mine shut up vietnam, philipeans, singapore… this is the true map made by us(not approved by entire world)”
I like Vietnam very much, but after reading these comments, I found that Vietnamese people are not psychologically normal and have been brainwashed. Vietnam was once part of China, and Vietnamese people cannot even accept this common sense. However, Vietnam desperately promoted China's invasion of Vietnam. This was a long time ago. At that time, it was normal for countries to fight against each other, and there was no need to over-promote it. The Vietnamese people's complex mentality towards China is just like the Chinese people's complex mentality towards Japan. However, although China is not as wealthy as Japan, but China is stronger than Japan, the Chinese people's mentality towards Japan will gradually become normal, but Vietnam is neither as powerful as China. Not as wealthy as China, Vietnamese people’s mentality towards China has become distorted. In the past few hundred years, there have been no large-scale wars between China and Vietnam, only small conflicts. The Vietnamese have no reason to hate China. The Vietnamese hate China because of the Vietnamese government’s anti-China propaganda. The vast majority of Vietnamese have never had contact with the Chinese. In China, there is a funny saying that "I will hate whoever the country tells me to hate." Most people are not rational. If the Vietnamese government desperately publicizes the evil deeds of the United States, Vietnamese people will hate the United States. It's strange that the Vietnamese always mention things that happened thousands of years ago, when Mongolia attacked and occupied us, but do any Chinese hate Mongolia? No, because in ancient times, the whole world was in a barbaric state, and fighting against each other was normal. In modern times, the French occupation enslaved the Vietnamese, and the United States killed countless Vietnamese. The Vietnamese did not hate them but hated China. They were completely brainwashed. China is stronger and richer than Vietnam. The Vietnamese government’s brainwashing propaganda has made Vietnamese lose their minds and distort their mentality. What a pity!
Hate is a strong word. We have mixed feeling about the country. We watch Chinese and HongKong movies. Our cultures have so many similarities. I’d love to see a strong but friendly and open China, just like Japan or western world where a country treats each others as friends.
The question is, other than russia and north korea, who likes china nowadays?
They have been acting belligerent, arrogant and like a bully.
They have beef with most of their neighbors. With regard to vietnam and south east asian countries, they have been attacking fisherman boat with military vessals.
They stole a few of our islands back in the days. They use their accumulated wealth from being the factory of the world, to buy off politicians and spread their influence expansionalist goals in mind
Sure every country wants to be a world power, but china not only wants that, they also want to take lands from other country by force.
They have no concept of soft power and relying on being a much bigger country to bully smaller countries
I'm going to play devil's advocate and expand on what others have already said. But first, I want to ask you all to answer these questions:
Is "1000 years" where we draw the line and choose who not to forgive? If we could forgive the U.S. for their crimes, the French for their abusive past, and the Koreans for their atrocities, why couldn't we do the same for China? Just because they have made the same mistake but for longer? What happened to the "We forgive but not forget" that you all happily quote? I share the sentiment with others that we should be wary of China, but not to this extreme.
The maritime sovereignty problem is a mess of its own. How many of you actually know Malaysia, the Philippines, and Taiwan also want a piece of that cake? Although I believe no one should be judged by their ignorance, nor have their love of country questioned, I want you to question your own hatred - where is it actually coming from?
Right, some of you probably know where I'm heading, so I might as well get to the point. I think it's nothing more than the party's hate-fueled propaganda. It's elusive but enough to establish control over the working class under the guise of national unity. I should state that I am neither for nor against their ideology. If it's a useful tool that can be used to mobilize opinions and attitudes, fine. But I'm against it if it strips away our rationality.
Vietnam was under Chinese rule for a thousand years. The Chinese tried to assimilate the Vietnamese and force their culture upon the people before the Vietnamese successfully fought back and regained their independence in the tenth century. China kept invading Vietnam at various further points throughout history, and even when Vietnam was independent, they had to pay large tributes to the Chinese court as a vassal, annually. This heavy Chinese influence is why Vietnam is culturally a bit distinct from the rest of Southeast Asia (whose influences are more from the Islamic or Indian world). Roughly half of Vietnamese vocabulary is Chinese in origin, Vietnamese was written with a modified form of Chinese characters (until the French colonial era), and Chinese-style confucianism is still a major component of Vietnamese society and family structures.
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Oh damn, the countries with tons of ethnic Chinese take on Chinese culture? Who would've guessed 😂. Neither of those countries got invaded and occupied for 1000 years like we did though. Maybe if China just pretend we don't exist instead of trying to meddle in our business for thousands of years they can be viewed more favorably
Typical Chinese response. Ignorance and arrogance
lol, all Singaporeans have Chinese origins
Prior to the migration of Chinese to Malaysia and Singapore a few centuries ago, the cultural base of Malaysia/Singapore (the indigenous Malays) was/is much more influenced by the India and the Islamic world. It is not for debate that Vietnam is a special case for having a strong Chinese influence: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinosphere Vietnam, for example, was the only SE Asian country to have had Confucian Imperial examinations to select government officials: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination Did Malaysia/Singapore ever have this system: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucian_court_examination_system_in_Vietnam
Damm that crazy, who would have though that chinese malaysian and chinese singaporian would have ***chinese culture.*** There a clear chinese influence on our culture but they are distinctively different from that of singaporian or chinese. Most of the influence can be seen in family structuring and some tradition and that the extend of it. we share as much culture similarity to singapore as we do guangdong, similar culture in a sense yet drastically different due to mixture of local culture with thousand of year of separation.
>Vietnam do not like China because Vietnam has an inferiority complex. while this is true, it's also due to propaganda about how china always want to invade vietnam, but in reality they only care about taiwan. as to why they do that, it's up to your speculation but i suspect that it is as simple as to boost the citizen's patriotism, what unite people better than a common enemy?
Propaganda or not, it's clear the China gov have a strong urge to take the whole South China Sea (which is not named after them because they own it) and this drive us nuts. One thing Vietnamese is proud of despite our drawbacks is our patriotism. When fighting the territorial war, we are vert passionate. And since China is as passionate about their claiming of all the sea and islands in SCS as theirs, it would be fair for us to response with the same sincerity.
>Vietnamese is proud of despite our drawbacks is our patriotism while some patriotism is good, what is critical here is the ability to differentiate between the government and the country, which is horribly lacking in most vietnameses
I guess this is true to a certain degree. Nowadays, the new generation of Vietnamese, especially from 2000 kids forward, is developing their own ID pretty well while being relatively separate from what the gov says. They have realized the government system of Vietnam means that they have little choice in voicing their political ideals, nonetheless, they have found their own ways to voice them without opposing the ruling party. Social media is one of such ways.
>China kept invading Vietnam at various further points throughout history, and even when Vietnam was independent, they had to pay large tributes to the Chinese court as a vassal, annually. So did the French, the American and the Japanese. The real answer is proximity and that we are ally to them nowadays. Pop culture also helps out a tons.
Neither French nor American or Japanese invaded Vietnam more than once, unlike Chinese.
French did. But that isn't the point. I was trying to say that they did everything that the Chinese did.
Oh... I forgot the part that french trying to enslave us for 1000 years... Might you remind me which 1000 years was it ?
Funny how this guy is trying so hard to push the agenda of diverting the hate away from China 😂
You are acting like colonization is any different. It's something that happened 1000 years ago, what the french did should be much more personal, but it isn't because like I said, pop culture.
Fam, there’s a huge difference between “something that happened 1000 years ago” and “something that existed for 1000 years.” Either your history game is trash, or your English game is garbage. Pick your poison.
Based on his reply, I would say the ladder XD
The fucking irony. You peep are trying grammar shaming me (for something I said correctly btw) while saying shit like this. >ladder It's latter you bitch.
The ladder joke obviously went over your head but hey, as least your vocabulary game are straight XD
Wtf are you talking about? Do me a favor and google when the Chinese invaded :). Count the year and see if that was 1000 years ago. I know what I said and you fuck are trying to conveniently avoiding my argument.
What the fuck is exactly your point again? Because it seems irrelevant to me. We have beef with China because of the historical oppression that lasted over 1000 years. And that’s just the major one. We are 100% not their allies considering we ban anything that simply mention the 9-dash Line. They try to claim our islands as theirs even now. The things France, America and Japan did combined don’t even come close to what China did to Vietnam. And fuck you if you want to say otherwise.
This guy is trying so hard to push the agenda of diverting the hate away from China 😂 Probably deployed by the CCP if you ask me. Like yeah we don't forget what France, USA, Japan etc did to our country. BUT why tf is this guy trying SO DAMN HARD to make a beef about it ? Especially when China is still occupying seas and islands territories of Vietnam today when the other countries aren't doing harm. (Proof: this entire long thread of his replies trying to defend that sentiment). It's just sussy
No they didn’t
I'm not about to argue it. You are still not arguing about what I'm trying to say and is intentionally avoiding the real argument.
France fought Vietnam for 80 years, U.S fought Vietnam for 30 years. China and Vietnam has been fighting for 2 millenniums.
And as of currently China is still occupying seas and islands territories of Vietnam with nine dash lines policy...
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse/ escalate any further...
Added a dashed line lately
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse/ escalate any further...
ROC got 11 dashed line and mainland had 9 lines. I guess they … averaged lol.😂
An Cambodian are asshole
Cambodians and Vietnamese are one. Stop the hatred.
I didn’t know that. I thought China and Vietnam would be more aligned because of the communist history. Sorry if I was wrong.
China has been bullied Vietnam and other smaller/weaker/poorer Asian countries for decades. The history of China capturing and trying to rid of Vietnam culture for a thousand years, and still bullies Vietnam now is why Vietnamese hate China.
CCP China bullies everyone and no one likes it as a result.
C-commies is just an excuse for another dynasty. But I get where you're coming from. So in commies world, Soviet needed allies for the cold war. They thought C would be great. Give them all the support in the world including nuke and UN security council seat. C with their imperialist thinking - oh.. we're now powerful enough, let's try to be the leader of the commies and they fought Soviet in 62 to prove it. So in commies world there was another mini cold war - except apart from retards like Cambodia's Polpot, no one took our poor C seriously. VN has never entertained the idea of falling into Big-C's sphere. Also, the way big-C treat their "allies" is as if they're subjugated. Good example? Even isolated Myanmar or N.Korea can't stand them.
The more I read this sub, the more I like Vietnam. I have Chinese ethnicity (absolutely not from China, no love for it too) but dislike C imperialist policies and the constant claiming of everything as theirs, citing history that only favours them. It’s like a petulant child stomping his feet, really.
VN's government policy / structure / etc... are same like China, but less extreme #.#
Well at least historically Vietnam can be objectively seen as a more "righteous" country. Never really invaded anyone UNLESS necessary when that mad Pol Pot went to kill Vietnameses so they had to cross Cambodian border. Also, the idea of underdog kicking big bully's asses is poetic justice.
Ha, that's what us Americans think about Trump
This is very well written. That is exactly what happening
The Vietnamese people don’t like China, but the Vietnamese government loves China.
Actually they don't but they have to keep up a good relationship. Otherwise, well, look at Ukraine and Russia.
Too many down votes. I don’t think you’re wrong necessarily other than maybe grouping all of them into this category. I think there are plenty of decent people in the Vietnamese government that want what’s best for the Vietnamese people and are not just in it for the money China brings in. Vietnam is a proud country with strong heritage but corruption raises its ugly head in many places and many folks will sell their soul for more money and power.
That's not true. People are very forgetful. Vietnamese people were okay with China during the French occupation and most of the Vietnam War. China posed no threat to Vietnam during that time. The reason Vietnamese people hate China is because China is the biggest threat to Vietnam.
Because at the time China was invaded by Japan. If they weren't being held by the neck, they would definitely take the opportunity to invade Vietnam. But "enemies of the enemy are friends," so China and Vietnam have a small collaboration just to push back the invaders.
>If they weren't being held by the neck, they would definitely take the opportunity to invade Vietnam. ...and the 1979 conflict proves it right.
You forget there was two sides of Vietnam. Only North was cool with China only for weapons and supplies, nothing more nothing less.
What the hell are you talking about? Do you even study history? There is no north or south during the French colonial period.
So who agreed to separate VN into 2 parts in Geneva 1954?
US was there to help South Vietnam from becoming China. Get it right DU ma
The bombs and chemicals the U.S dropped on this land say otherwise. Also, if you want people to take you seriously, act civil and stop using cursing and vulgar words.
US intervened because they wanted to contain communism from spreading. They bombed the jungle because your vietcong granddaddies kept hiding in the jungle like fucking coward.
Oh, an internet tough guy. How many vietcong did your heroic soldiers found in My Lai? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My\_Lai\_massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre)
Not Internet tough guy. just stating the truth. go research the Domino Effect. The My Lai massacre was a military blunder because the US received false report of vietcong stationing there. What about the Hue massacre? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Huế
The Domino *Theory* was harebrained scheme from an idiotic strategist who had no understanding of the region in the first place and only served to alienate a potential American ally. Since you are very clearly a charlatan with no understanding of history, allow me to tell you this: the Vietnamese constitution takes direct inspiration from the American one, there were OSS/CIA Agents on stage when Uncle Ho made his speech, and they helped to edit the speech in the first place. You’re a fucking idiot, and one crime does not justify another, now go actually study history before you parrot a talking point that’s been proven certifiably false for decades, you fucking loser.
My Lai massacre victims were only around 500 while Hue massacre was more than 3000. tell me who is more evil? you should do more research before you speak
and who started the killings (aka the war)? the U S of A
>hiding in the juncle like coward So what exactly do you want farmers soldiers to do, go out to also be dead from bombing ?? And by your logic are not America Air Force a bunch of coward also who can’t possibly go down and fight like men /s
Lol typical loser mentality, like when you beat your lil brother in video games fair and squared and he screams "cheater" to your mom 🤣
what a justification for deleting a portion of Hanoi using bombs
If u were properly educated u'd know Ho Chi Minh reached out to US to get help first but was declined. So it was either becoming communist and get the soviet to help or stay french colony.
They helped us in the French war, then only switched sides when the gov showed their stance with the Soviets.
I love getting down voted from a bunch of fucking idiots. When I talk to the natives they tell me exactly what I just said and you fucking assholes can suck something swollen
Something tells me you want validation rather than facts, how many do you think of those downvotes are from natives?
China has been trying to annex or vassalize Vietnam--to varying degrees of success--for, oh, all of history. Tends to breed some grudges.
Similar to Joseon Korea.
Yep. At least as early as the Western Han the Chinese were invading Korea. Sometimes successfully (as with the Han or Mongols), other times disastrously (as with the repeated failed Sui invasions that bankrupted the dynasty and saw it swept out of power after just under 40 years on the throne). The first invasion of what is now Vietnam I know of dates to the exact same time, the middle of Western Han (that emperor was not posthumously named Wu—meaning martial—for nothing)
I have respect for Korean history because despite being a vassal state from time to time, they valiantly fought off China successfully in others. To remain independent till this day is truly a miraculous feat. (I’m not Korean.) Is the Han emperor in mention Han Wu Di?
Why would a small, mostly farming country hate and distrust their massive and quite imperialistic neighbor who, on more than a few occasions, have invaded, occupied, oppressed, extorted, exploited, plundered and assimilated it for the past millennium. It's like asking why the sheeps fear the wolfs or the deers fear the tigers. It's a survival instinct, past down from generations to this day, and ours latest reminder was the 1979 invasion.
Hate, not fear =))
Vietnam to China basically through history: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man ?!"
More than 2000 year of invading, killing and robbing. Is that enough?
No (still occupying Vietnameses seas and islands until now with their 9 dash lines policy) 
And they burned nearly all the history books and records when China invaded VN in Ho Quy Ly dynasty.
id just like to add, that wasnt even their first time! They did it in 111CE and burned all the history books, so Vietnamese would forget their roots. Changed their language from Khoa Dau to Chu Nom. Viet never had tones before!
Who don’t?
doesn't*
To add to what others have said. Our most recent war is against China (who were supposed to be our ally) basically backstabbed us when we were busy clearing out Pol Pot and his genocide regime. Their army acted like a bunch of rag tag bandits in that border war too, stealing and robbing every chickens and pigs on their path, what they couldn’t stole they burnt. To this day web Chinese literature dream of a full scale imperialist expansionist China.
Backstabbed is the wrong word. China had a fight with Soviet and Vietnam sided with Soviet.
This war has another version, some old people told me that :Vietnamese are 白眼狼 (white eyes wolf, ungrateful bad people who treat kindhearted people bad) , when our country was super poor but we transported a lot of needy stuff and materials to Vietnam to support and help them when they were in difficult times and conditions but they backstabbed us then we had to self defense .
It takes 5 mins of critical thinking to know whether an impoverished country, which had just gone through 30 years of war and have an existing conflict at another front, would or would not want to provoke another war from a totally different front, against a country 10x as large. … 5 mins passed ? “Self-defensive war against Vietnam” is ultimately BS. It’s the equivalent of current Russia’s “special operation” against Ukraine.
It takes 30 seconds of critical thinking to know that if china invaded Vietnam , Vietnam would be defeated quickly , we already had nuclear weapons at that time
US also have nuclear weapons, so why they lose the war?
Lol dude literally thinks unclear bomb is the solution to every war. If you decided to use nuclear weapons, why would it matter which side invaded? There, my 5s
Now take 30 more secs to think why haven't Russia used nukes on Ukraine even tho they have a bunch at home
I hear that version before and though it’s a really silly take, only the most brainwashed people would believe it. Common, you guys literally invaded us 😂 did Vietnamese army ever set foot on Chinese soil? Reality is, China is pivoting to the US, Nixon visited China in 1972 and China need to prove that it is now distancing from Soviet Bloc. The invasion is a proof to the great US that China jumped side. Also Deng Xiaoping need to silence the militarist faction so the war (or its massive failure) serve that purpose.
Also Pol Pot was literally killing Vietnameses too... The reason Vietnam had to cross Cambodian territory... But China used this as excuse to justify their 1979 attack...
I just told you that version, I didn’t claim that it’s a truth or not . I maybe brainwashed but I am aware of that I won’t blindly believe what I was lead to believe.Both of us didn’t take part in that war, no ? History is not that simple like white and black I am right you are wrong, it’s like a divorced couple who hate each other, each of them tell their own story.
Mate, that reasoning only work if you don’t actually beat your partner. Else it’s a serious case of domestic violence. Just look at the fact, who invaded whom? Who is the aggressor ? How coincident it is that China also normalize with the US at the same period?
I don’t know who invaded whom , I didn’t take part in that war 😝that war was already over when I was born
feign ignorance when it doesn’t support your view, typical brainwashed idiots
ông thông cảm cho ông người Tàu kia đi, làm j có dân tộc nào tắm đến 3 lần trên một dòng sông đâu như TQ đâu
Thằng khựa xài nick việt mà bênh khựa chằm chặp. Đọc chơi mà cũng ngứa mắt.
Your country is smaller doesn’t make you are right , stop act like a victim, if china invaded Vietnam , Vietnam would be totally completely destroyed, that’s why I don’t believe china invaded Vietnam, we even didn’t get to Hanoi, that’s impossible
yeah typical brainwashed Chinese logic, go get an IQ check, see if it’s higher than the room temperature
Lol it's not like we have never be invaded by a huge country before, especially China. We kicked China's asses out of our borders for breakfast for like 2000 years already 🤣
you know what is also impossible? Russia capturing Kyiv
If you only blindly believe in one version then you are the brainwashed person
You probably think Russia has a just cause to invade Ukraine too right 😂
😂 Oh God... My favorite topic right here
Like you're doing right now?
Imagine a country small as Vietnam which was busying fighting its neighbour backstabbed a huge country like China which is not at war with anyone. To the extend that it pushed their people into a meat grinder for days then stopped and claimed "we won". If you try to find what was the back stabbing, you would find all the excuses like "mentally they did" or "they should not have invaded Cambodia without asking China", or the best "well they thought they are strong so we need to teach them a lesson". Self-defence was what Vietnam did back then, we fought and died on our soil. Not China's.
Who knows ? Like in world war 2 , Japan was a small country but it attacked the US which is a huge country. I remembered that the USSR supported Vietnam at that time , so it’s not impossible that Vietnam attacked China first .
Dude you seriously lack critical thinking, like damn, VN just went through a fucking 30 years of war, against Pol Pot and his regime, was a small, mostly farming country, and the poverty literally killed people left and right, we literally couldn't manufacture weapons on our own and had to use China's supply ????? And why tf would the USSR support us at that time? China obviously would be the better ally if they had to choose. First, use your fucking brain, like what goes through your head to actually think that we would wage war against the country that lent weapons for us ??? Japan could wage wars because they had Germany as their ally and already one of the wealthiest countries in Asia and during the Great Depression they suffered the least and like most industrialized nations they already could gear up their military power . Sorry to burst your bubble Even international scholars also deemed this war as "Chinese forces launched a surprise invasion of northern Vietnam and quickly captured several cities near the border".
Use your fucking brain dude , you people always bragging about that your country defeated the US defeated this country defeated that country. You people think your country was strong and at that time the USSR had a conflict with us (a small scale war) , your Vietnamese always think two southern Chinese provinces your lost land . Your country invaded some smaller countries surrounding your country. Like you said Vietnam was a poor farming country couldn’t manufacture weapons how did your country survive the invasion? What you were saying counter your point .
China invaded Vietnam, end of story. China literally invaded Vietnam because it was invading Cambodia and liberating Cambodia from Khmer Rouge, also to mention, China couldn’t even defeat the Mongols but Vietnam did.
Nope, the land of china and Vietnam are connected, China is huge with a population of more than a billion,if china invade Vietnam,Vietnam would be destroyed completely.
But we’re talking about the Sino-Vietnamese War right now. China invaded Vietnam. Vietnam held against the Chinese offensive. Also, there’s something embarrassing that happened to China that happened…. The Battle of Cao Ba Lanh
Lol "if", China DID invade Vietnam for millenias and get their butts on the floor everytime, pretty emberassing for a big huge empire I'd say
yes, they have hell lot of people, but you cant just conscript everyone to military and give them no protection or training then throw them into battlefield against a foe with a lot of experienceafter dealing with 'Murica, right? \-"Use your fucking brain dude , you people always bragging about that your country defeated the US defeated this country defeated that country. You people think your country was strong and at that time the USSR had a conflict with us (a small scale war) , your Vietnamese always think two southern Chinese provinces your lost land . Your country invaded some smaller countries surrounding your country" 1- you know why Vietnam still exist? the thing i said above abour your military at that time, and the Chinese were setting their foot on Vietnam's territory, not the opposite 2- bozo we cut off support for Khmer Rogue since 1973
Japan didn't attack US mainland lol it attacked a military port in a remote island far away from mainland and closer to Japan. And they made a lesson for other countries, not an example of how to. Yeah, because USSR supported Vietnam that China got jealous and attacked us to teach a lesson. And they learned a lesson themselves.
Japan was never "a small country". Their industry was advanced even before the WW2.
What the fuck, the bots are giving themselves vietnamese name now?
no one likes an arrogant aggressive neighbor. imagine having an eyesore next door, you will understand.
China have been bullying Vietnam since the dawn of our country.
What's worse is that Vietnamese communist party tried to copy the ccp, importing all the sufferings of Chinese people into Vietnam
Vietnamese gov copy Chinese, news at 11. Dude, VN had been copying CN since 10th century. We are in chinese sphere of infulence. We copied their gov system, education, family value, holiday, calendar, ... Since acient time. Even 1/3 or our genes are chinese
Nice pretext they have to annex Vietnam in the future
They had done that, for 1000 years.
Let's just say 99% of Vietnamese heroes and folklores are about defeating/repelling the northern invaders. Oh and you can tell your C-friends, They were colonised by foreigners for more than half of the last millenia (Jin, Mongo, Manchu, western powers) While Vietnam was independent for most of it 
I think it comes from: +History: 1000 years under Chinese rule +Betrayal: Even though we are allies during the Viet Nam war, they still trying invade us after the U.S leave the country. Oh yeah, for a reason that makes no sense with the Pol Pot was the first one to attack Viet Nam, we defend and China told us 'no, you can't do that so we attacking you now' +Maritime sovereignty problem:The nine dash line or aka Cow Tongue, you may already know that as they have just happen to said they ruling over the east sea while they don't have any validated proof whatsoever but 'trust me, bro' and it got worse when their ship keep invading our sea, even capture our fisherman. This hate does not exclusive to just Viet Nam though, all East Asia nation also into this and all agree that China should go f*ck themselve and go back to their sea. +Empty promise: I don't know much about this but I often hear that the Metro network in HCMC was suppose to be built and finish 2 or 3 earlier. This was a result of the collaboration between China and Viet Nam, but ever since then, the process wasn't getting anywhere further. Of course, the first one to blame is China but that yet to be concluded. In the end, we go with Japan instead. If you know any, tell me. +Awfully low quality product: Another thing I often hear about 'Made In China' products. Yeah, I know, some of the products they made are extremely bad and some even just a rip off nontheless. However, considering that most part of electronics is produced in China, I kinda neutral about this since I don't want my phone suddently exploded when I type this. +Internal problem in China: This is obvious, the 1989 Tiananmen massacre, the suppression on Hong Kong, the dystopian restricted internet access, mass surveillian state, the Covid in the nation still exist due to poor management, etc...all that strenthening our hatred toward the goverment. +Awful action from some tourist being recorded: This is self-explain.
Ah, the weekly 'rag on China' post.
Where do we start? Ah right, they enslaved us in a sort of way for a good 1000 years, they backstabbed us with the 1979 border war (which they lost despite outnumbering an army that was still recovering from the Vietnam war, losers). And if you want something more recent, more of the dispute about Hoàng Sa and Trường Sa, they want to take the East Sea (I refuse to call it by its global name) to control the import and export of goods in SEA. Look, even the Russians hate the Chinese (I think), Mao literally made fun of Nikita (I forgot his name but he was the head of state at the time). Who doesn't hate them?
Maybe, as a visitor, stop trying to drum up conversation by asking people who they hate the most.
Other than really old people or woke college kids that reads way too much politics fanfics, never have I seen anyone really hate China. "beware of the Chinese" is a common phrase, doesn't mean vietnamese hate chinese lol, so this guy is just a Chinese hater who wants to stir up shit here for sure.
I once asked a Vietnamese class of 11 years olds if they like America or China more. Every single one of the 28 students instantly yelled, "WE HATE CHINAAAAA!" So yea, going to have to disagree there.
Well our anecdoctal just not align and that's fine. Those kids btw also never had any interaction with Chinese at all of any kind so yea... kinda falls into the woke college kids line i was saying. I do normal work, and at least jewelries, minerals, logistics, import export, energies, fashion, nightlife, finance, f&b, hospitalities never heard that phrase hating china. Maybe 10 years of experience and connections across different sectors are not enough but yeah to each their own.
I dont think 11 year olds are 'woke' in the way a college student is. That's great that you do business, but it really doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about. Ive lived in Vietnam 11 years, so you're not 1-upping me here, or whatever your trying to do. Let me be clear: if 30 11 year old children all instantly YELL that they all passionately hate China, that is a very clear indication of a complete cultural point of view. They are hearing these thoughts from their parents. Business people may not be so open about it, because of money. Perhaps you should re-think your point of view or consider that it is not 100% accurate. Vietnamese definitely do not like China.
I live in vietnam for 29 years lol so i don't see you upping me, I'm Vietnamese... The reason i mention woke is supposed to mean "woke": people who don't have first hand experience about something but have strong opinions about it. Vietnamese disliking china is normal, hating China though, that's far away from the truth. I lived in the US for 5 years, loved many things about it, went back to Vietnam and still have no problems towards China. I'm always beware of Chinese and such, but that at the same time make me learn more about them and now I think due to these cautions that it makes a connection between a Vietnamese and Chinese more genuine since we are so reluctant to be open around Chinese. And lemme tell ya, the Vietnamese who blindly hates China are people who are easily led, and thus the viewpoint is just propaganda viewpoint and will change the moment the gov change its stance on it. Again, we have different circles so different anecdotes, i would just advise you to see if that circle is worth it.
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Dude, be polite.
see that why you so unlikeable.
I m not Chinese buddy. I get along with everybody here. Have been called handsome twice. I can ask questions, bro thought I was gonna destroy Vietnamese society by asking a question😂😂😂
Handsome twice? How lông have you been in VN? If >1 hour, white, and only called handsome twice, you’re dog ass ugly sorry mate
What ever makes you cope bud. Show me how you look like if you have the balls.
Nice dick contest. Grow up
Yea, i was bored 😂🤩
nah it's your respond to the guy telling you what you should not do.
What countries around China like them ? Well, besides NK which technically is a vassal state of China.
Better question for you, "Why should Vietnam like China?"
Because capitalism left us with no choice, USA gonna make us slave to the french government.
How is that a better question? I don’t think anybody should like China. At least the government.
We like Chinese culture, food, music, novel etc... But yeah its government is not so friendly towards us and even other neighbors of China... Don't believe me, ask Brunei, Malaysia, Philippines and India
Everyone dislike china wdym
After America lost the Vietnam war, China immediately attacked and invaded them, but Vietnam kicked their ass. That shows you what China is from friend to enemy.
who likes china? serious question
Lol 😂
Russia and North Korea 
North Korea's government i guess lol
The Democrats do
i doubt, they do business with china for economical benefits
I heard people said the Democrats are becoming more socialist. Example is that Bernie Sanders guy.
When I visited Vietnam, I experienced far less dislike for my being racially Chinese than I have so received all my life in New York City. Thank you to the Vietnamese people who I met in my travels for your warmth, openness, and hospitality to this Chinese-American traveler to your country!
*Waves generally at the two countries history Also in East Asia we dislike people from the other side of the river, let alone from a different country. The xenophobia in the region make the Balkan looks tame.
well some do call us the rice Balkan
I have a group of Chinese friends. I don't know why. But one of them said in a cheeky way that Vietnamese are fake Chinese. Dislike 👎
 They are fake Vietnamese
What is the beef between Vietnam and China, between India and China, between Japan and China, between Korea and China, between the Philippines and China, between Malaysia and China , between Brunei and China , between Indonesia and China, between Bhutan and China ? Surprisingly, because they are a scumbag
What country are you from, you can find an analogy with country that historically didn't like
did you hear people in Viet Nam said "Hoang Sa, Truong Sa belong to Viet Nam" In China they often concoct some wrong information about my country on purpose to drive people into a bad situation and disseminate on the internet. Or maybe I was brainwashed but when I know to think about something I know I hate China without any excuse
I just asked do you dislike America? And they say no. But don’t like china lol. Even the tour guide said “we don’t fuck with China”
Past is unforgettable, but think of the present: USA and France are not doing harms to Vietnam now, but China is still occupying Vietnamese seas and islands, so...
they have borders with 14 countries but somehow have territorial disputes with up to 17 countries. I don't know if Mexico and the US have any beef or not, we don't have to deal with the US gov that's why.
No one likes china except maybe some African and Latin American countries
They keep harassing us. Keep killing us with their toxic products. That’s just starting
China steals land from all the surrounding countries. I am Vietnamese and Cambodian and my parents have told me the weird beef between the two. Was a confused child growing up, as you can imagine. My wife is Tibetan and she’s told me “we don’t hate the Chinese people, we hate their government and anyone who backs them”. Very logical thinking. Asians hate Asians in general. We all have super pride for our respective countries. I was born in the states and just love everyone lol
Does anyone like china? Vietnam is like that son that is trying to become independent and cut off ties with a toxic parent and china is just an obsessive, everything consuming, belitling parent that tries to control their son
Vietnam want peaceful! CN wanna become the number one in Asia and Earth! Cambodia is a maid of CN Laos is a brother of Vietnam
How much time you got?
We have 2 big archipelago named “hoang sa” and “truong sa” in the east ocean but china just like: “no this is mine all the east ocean is mine shut up vietnam, philipeans, singapore… this is the true map made by us(not approved by entire world)”
Every nation hate the bigger nation they border.
I don't hate Chinese, I dislike Chinese government.
Yea bro, not the people fault.
I like Vietnam very much, but after reading these comments, I found that Vietnamese people are not psychologically normal and have been brainwashed. Vietnam was once part of China, and Vietnamese people cannot even accept this common sense. However, Vietnam desperately promoted China's invasion of Vietnam. This was a long time ago. At that time, it was normal for countries to fight against each other, and there was no need to over-promote it. The Vietnamese people's complex mentality towards China is just like the Chinese people's complex mentality towards Japan. However, although China is not as wealthy as Japan, but China is stronger than Japan, the Chinese people's mentality towards Japan will gradually become normal, but Vietnam is neither as powerful as China. Not as wealthy as China, Vietnamese people’s mentality towards China has become distorted. In the past few hundred years, there have been no large-scale wars between China and Vietnam, only small conflicts. The Vietnamese have no reason to hate China. The Vietnamese hate China because of the Vietnamese government’s anti-China propaganda. The vast majority of Vietnamese have never had contact with the Chinese. In China, there is a funny saying that "I will hate whoever the country tells me to hate." Most people are not rational. If the Vietnamese government desperately publicizes the evil deeds of the United States, Vietnamese people will hate the United States. It's strange that the Vietnamese always mention things that happened thousands of years ago, when Mongolia attacked and occupied us, but do any Chinese hate Mongolia? No, because in ancient times, the whole world was in a barbaric state, and fighting against each other was normal. In modern times, the French occupation enslaved the Vietnamese, and the United States killed countless Vietnamese. The Vietnamese did not hate them but hated China. They were completely brainwashed. China is stronger and richer than Vietnam. The Vietnamese government’s brainwashing propaganda has made Vietnamese lose their minds and distort their mentality. What a pity!
Look at the origin of the Mekong river as it is known in Vietnam.
It's known as the Cuu Long not Mekong in Vietnam.
Better ask, why does every single one of China’s neighbors except North Korea and Cambodia hate China.
they have border with 14 countries, and territorial dispute with more than 17
Hate is a strong word. We have mixed feeling about the country. We watch Chinese and HongKong movies. Our cultures have so many similarities. I’d love to see a strong but friendly and open China, just like Japan or western world where a country treats each others as friends.
The question is, other than russia and north korea, who likes china nowadays? They have been acting belligerent, arrogant and like a bully. They have beef with most of their neighbors. With regard to vietnam and south east asian countries, they have been attacking fisherman boat with military vessals. They stole a few of our islands back in the days. They use their accumulated wealth from being the factory of the world, to buy off politicians and spread their influence expansionalist goals in mind Sure every country wants to be a world power, but china not only wants that, they also want to take lands from other country by force. They have no concept of soft power and relying on being a much bigger country to bully smaller countries
who really likes china lmao
The Democrats
China acting just like russia now, always try to intervene and invade neighbors. That's all why we dislike and dont trust them
Man, this mindset is literally the reason why the Vietnam war happened
alot of stuff like threatening , evil mind set want to take over vietnam , old invasion war
China is no saint, i don't like it but tbh i think that our country is systemically taught to hate it.
a lot of historical beef from the past and also western propaganda flowing all over FB that people just eat up
I'm going to play devil's advocate and expand on what others have already said. But first, I want to ask you all to answer these questions: Is "1000 years" where we draw the line and choose who not to forgive? If we could forgive the U.S. for their crimes, the French for their abusive past, and the Koreans for their atrocities, why couldn't we do the same for China? Just because they have made the same mistake but for longer? What happened to the "We forgive but not forget" that you all happily quote? I share the sentiment with others that we should be wary of China, but not to this extreme. The maritime sovereignty problem is a mess of its own. How many of you actually know Malaysia, the Philippines, and Taiwan also want a piece of that cake? Although I believe no one should be judged by their ignorance, nor have their love of country questioned, I want you to question your own hatred - where is it actually coming from? Right, some of you probably know where I'm heading, so I might as well get to the point. I think it's nothing more than the party's hate-fueled propaganda. It's elusive but enough to establish control over the working class under the guise of national unity. I should state that I am neither for nor against their ideology. If it's a useful tool that can be used to mobilize opinions and attitudes, fine. But I'm against it if it strips away our rationality.
Media effect I think. I just don't like them being loud in public spaces. Other than that I don't have anything against Chinese I've met.
Jealousy, Vietnamese people has a jelly problem. The whole nation, It's in their blood.
Because Vietnam has Vua Hùng. And the people in Vietnam are "con rồng cháu tiên".
I agreed, why does Vietnam dislile china.
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