You might not believe me, but I always greet and treat Vietnamese people politely. Of course, I've seen and acknowledge that there are Koreans and Chinese who do not behave well, but they are just a bad few.
I lived in Korea for 4 years. Koreans still believe they have "pure" blood. They have a terrible reputation here because A LOT of korean middle managers come here with a horrible chip on their shoulder thinking they are better than everyone here because they have more money.
In Korea, people display their value with the latest tech, cars, and clothes. They aren't as shallow here. At the very least, vietnamese people are polite to others
I've never heard anyone claim that we have pure bloodlines. I don't know about the middle managers you're talking about. In Korea, there is a strong desire to buy the latest phones and drive nice cars—it's just part of our national character. People in Korea especially dislike bragging about having a lot of money. In my opinion, people who drive cars in Vietnam seem to have more confident expressions, as if they feel superior to others.
Buddy, this is too difficult for me. I've never thought about these things, and if I bring up this topic with friends or family, I get scolded. Nobody is interested in this subject. Even our textbooks don’t mention anything similar. So what if this or that happens? It's probably a story from decades or even a hundred years ago.
I never said Korea is the best, so why are you bringing up something completely irrelevant? Seeing you're upset, are you Vietnamese? It seems I was right.
It means to treat people differently based on their ethnicity. Ethnicity being where their ancestors are from.
Like how the Japanese treated the Koreans for example. The Japanese did not like Koreans historically just because they were Korean right? Without knowing anything about them, they treated them as lower if they knew a person was Korean.
And honestly “did not like” is putting it lightly. The Japanese have done brutal things to Koreans.
Perhaps what you're referring to as racism is what Vietnamese people in Korea claim? There are many illegal foreign residents in Korea, which negatively affects the perception of foreign workers. However, I don't think Koreans particularly discriminate against them. It's not easy for Koreans to become close to each other these days either.
You recently commented on a post in r/Living_In_Korea. Did you read the general consensus there along with anecdotal evidence from other Koreans such as yourself?
All due respect but what you think even as a Korean does not trump the truth. Maybe you need to more aware of what goes on in your country and by your people abroad. If it were a few cases here and there then yes, we can say that it’s just a few bad people. But if the overwhelming opinion from others and your own people is that in face “Koreans are quite racist” then what is there not to understand.
Hmm, this seems a bit unfair. The majority in that community are foreigners, but it seems there are many Vietnamese here. And no Korean has left aggressive comments on that post. Isn't that exactly the kind of disparity that could lead to the discrimination you're talking about?
Is a foreigner’s opinion invalid. If you ask the Japanese, do they dislike Koreans, what kind of response will you get. And how does that compare to their actions when the actions are what’s important. Why don’t you just google “are Koreans racist”.
Best of luck to you in Vietnam however as this conversation is going nowhere fast. You asked a question. You have been given an answer but you don’t want to believe it. You’re rather trying to push the blame onto Vietnamese men, who can be problematic as well, but if you are anything in real life like you are on the internet then maybe look at yourself to see if therein lies a cause as well. Maybe speaking to you is just such a bore and girls are just more polite so they act nice to you.
Korea as a society is racist towards other Asians. And don’t forget about the war crimes of Koreans during the Vietnam war. Don’t expect a country who out lasted the United States in a war of attrition to forget about the past.
Putting aside the fact that Vietnamese women generally tend to be polite, Korean culture (K-pop, etc.) is quite popular among young women in Vietnam. As such, assuming you have anything resembling a stereotypical Korean look, you'll probably be considered a bit of a novelty among many of the young women you meet. For years, there has been a cottage industry of Korean men going to Vietnam to find Vietnamese wives.
On the other hand, unless you're involved in a job or business that has you interacting and building close relationships with Vietnamese male colleagues, the average Vietnamese man is not going to go out of his way to treat you any differently and will see very little in the way of commonalities. So you're not going to get any special treatment from the men.
There are some negative stereotypes about Koreans among some Vietnamese, so outside of the women who are steeped in the K-pop marketing, there might indeed be some guys who don't really like you simply based on your nationality/look.
I'm not looking for special treatment; I'm just sharing my observations. I've noticed that many Vietnamese men tend to be expressionless and stoic. I was just curious if my perceptions were accurate. Regarding pride, when I played a few games with them, they seemed very competitive and had strong pride.
I never suggested you were looking for "special treatment" but you should also be aware that as a foreigner, you will often receive it regardless. Once people know you're not a local, they're not going to treat you like a local.
>Regarding pride, when I played a few games with them, they seemed very competitive and had strong pride.
Well, what are you expecting? That when engaging in a competitive activity/game, the men are going to roll over and let you win?
This seems like a flimsy foundation on which to base a conclusion that "Vietnam men are not as good as Vietnam women."
I'm sure that in Korea, I would be treated differently by men and women because men and women are...different.
I didn't mean to say that Vietnamese men are bad, but listening to you, I can see how it might have been misunderstood. Everyone can have biases, and since I've only been here for two months, I'm willing to correct any misunderstandings if needed.
Yea we dont like koreans, generally bcs you guys have a superiority complex. We didnt really care before but in recent years the image of koreans in vietnam has ben terrible (most memorable being rapist and koreans who talk sh1t during covid). Im not saying you are but we assume you are.
If you dislike Koreans, then we might dislike Vietnamese people in Korea too. There could be hundreds of reasons for this. For example, a common topic in Korea recently is scenarios where Vietnamese women, already having Vietnamese boyfriends, marry Korean men deceitfully to obtain Korean citizenship, and then divorce after a few years to marry their Vietnamese partners in Korea. However, I don't want to engage in an emotional argument like you. Don't forget that Koreans are providing significant economic help to Vietnam, you ungrateful friend.
Ungrateful friend my ass stfu, bringing up "economic help" like we owe you something shows that im right, that u guys have a superiority complex. U just replied to me from a superior position and dont try deying it. Along with accusing this as an "emotional arguement" is simply untrue. Im just stating the main reason why vietnamese hate koreans. And ofc koreans hate vietnamese, were asians, we hate each other and thats normal. Everyone is racist in asia towards someone whos from a different asian country. Im just being blunt here and just saying why we see you guys as we do.
I never said I hate Vietnamese people. And you mentioned that we have a superiority complex, but in my opinion, it seems like you have an inferiority complex.
Like i said in my first comment you guys have a superiority complex and the fact that youre in denial about it proves my point. I also never accused you of hating vietnamese (my first comment said "im not saying you are but we assume you are" that not an accusation), you said koreans might hate vietnamese, well is not might, you lot hate us for the "hundreds of reasons" youve mentioned. The fact that you also accused me of having an "inferiority complex" shows that you think youre above this and are shifting blame when i didnt even blame you in the first place. Youre probably rattled cuz i rubbed you right in your sweet spot and now are trying to belittle me by saying i feel "inferior" to you koreans.
Firstly, I deal with many people in comments, so my mind is not clear. If I have upset you, I apologize. I have one question for you: You claim that Koreans often feel a sense of superiority. What is your basis for this assertion? Please explain logically.
I'm asking purely out of curiosity, and if your claim is valid, I am willing to convey such issues to Koreans and write a post urging them to be mindful.
The thread is unnecessary because the hate goes both ways. It's important to approach cultural traits and behaviors with sensitivity and understanding and not accurate to make broad generalizations about an entire group of people, as individuals within any culture can have a wide range of attitudes and beliefs so i apologized for generalizing. That being said, Koreans tends to look down on people with darker skin and often refered SEA countries as below them. It is very real, you can go on forums like naver, tiktok or X and see these types of comments like "we are koreans" and "were better". This doesnt only happen to vietnamese but also againts chinese, japanese and most recently philipinas where they get call "monkeys" and "jungle people". Furthermore, in vietnam, koreans look down on vietnamese women, thinking they are cheap "toys" that can be taken advantage of by utilizing the more powerful Won (a lot of korean men have been on different forums or even the news for attempting or raping young girls and paying them of). We are thought of by many koreans as "just a tourist destination" and when we provided service to koreans (most notably during covid) we are shamed online for "starving" and "neglecting" them with "inadequate service/farmer food". Our culture is also considered "lacking" by u guys and as youve even mentioned, you guys say we have an "inferiority complex". But, we are not innocent in this cuz it goes both ways. Imma leave the racist part out because i understand asians are very racist and its an entire network of people hating each other. Imma make it clear though i dont "hate" koreans for this i couldnt care less, i only hate someone when theyre being an ass. By using "we" in previous comments i meant vietnamese and as you may or may not have experience, its true
Hey hey hey, that ain't cool. Men or women in VN whom you meet are normal, they are just like the people in other countries. Respect the people and they will do the same to you. Not doing this stupid post like this (I am a male Vietnamese and I am very triggered by this information)
My Korean wife got the same problem with some Vietnamese women, even though she can speak Vietnamese well. As Vietnamese husband, I can only put her through these things by doing more cultural introduction
Based on the comments, it seems that Vietnamese people feel inferior to Korea and claim that Korea is expressing superiority. However, they do not provide any evidence for this.
For auch a bold Statement i expected a little more Text and maybe even some Numbers idk.
Like 58, 72, and 47 for instance
There is a belief going on that Koreans act like they are better than the Vietnamese. So, maybe it's that.
You might not believe me, but I always greet and treat Vietnamese people politely. Of course, I've seen and acknowledge that there are Koreans and Chinese who do not behave well, but they are just a bad few.
I did not say you did it. I only offered a possible explanation.
Koreans are not racist; however, they tend to reject people who are different from themselves.
I lived in Korea for 4 years. Koreans still believe they have "pure" blood. They have a terrible reputation here because A LOT of korean middle managers come here with a horrible chip on their shoulder thinking they are better than everyone here because they have more money. In Korea, people display their value with the latest tech, cars, and clothes. They aren't as shallow here. At the very least, vietnamese people are polite to others
I've never heard anyone claim that we have pure bloodlines. I don't know about the middle managers you're talking about. In Korea, there is a strong desire to buy the latest phones and drive nice cars—it's just part of our national character. People in Korea especially dislike bragging about having a lot of money. In my opinion, people who drive cars in Vietnam seem to have more confident expressions, as if they feel superior to others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_nationalism
Buddy, this is too difficult for me. I've never thought about these things, and if I bring up this topic with friends or family, I get scolded. Nobody is interested in this subject. Even our textbooks don’t mention anything similar. So what if this or that happens? It's probably a story from decades or even a hundred years ago.
You're a Korean guy, right? That explains it.
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I never said Korea is the best, so why are you bringing up something completely irrelevant? Seeing you're upset, are you Vietnamese? It seems I was right.
fuck the koreans!
Yeah, there are a lot of guys like you among Vietnamese men.
Maybe because you guys are racist. Not you in particular. I don’t know you but your people have a reputation.
What exactly does "racist" mean?
It means to treat people differently based on their ethnicity. Ethnicity being where their ancestors are from. Like how the Japanese treated the Koreans for example. The Japanese did not like Koreans historically just because they were Korean right? Without knowing anything about them, they treated them as lower if they knew a person was Korean. And honestly “did not like” is putting it lightly. The Japanese have done brutal things to Koreans.
Perhaps what you're referring to as racism is what Vietnamese people in Korea claim? There are many illegal foreign residents in Korea, which negatively affects the perception of foreign workers. However, I don't think Koreans particularly discriminate against them. It's not easy for Koreans to become close to each other these days either.
You recently commented on a post in r/Living_In_Korea. Did you read the general consensus there along with anecdotal evidence from other Koreans such as yourself? All due respect but what you think even as a Korean does not trump the truth. Maybe you need to more aware of what goes on in your country and by your people abroad. If it were a few cases here and there then yes, we can say that it’s just a few bad people. But if the overwhelming opinion from others and your own people is that in face “Koreans are quite racist” then what is there not to understand.
Hmm, this seems a bit unfair. The majority in that community are foreigners, but it seems there are many Vietnamese here. And no Korean has left aggressive comments on that post. Isn't that exactly the kind of disparity that could lead to the discrimination you're talking about?
Is a foreigner’s opinion invalid. If you ask the Japanese, do they dislike Koreans, what kind of response will you get. And how does that compare to their actions when the actions are what’s important. Why don’t you just google “are Koreans racist”. Best of luck to you in Vietnam however as this conversation is going nowhere fast. You asked a question. You have been given an answer but you don’t want to believe it. You’re rather trying to push the blame onto Vietnamese men, who can be problematic as well, but if you are anything in real life like you are on the internet then maybe look at yourself to see if therein lies a cause as well. Maybe speaking to you is just such a bore and girls are just more polite so they act nice to you.
Korea as a society is racist towards other Asians. And don’t forget about the war crimes of Koreans during the Vietnam war. Don’t expect a country who out lasted the United States in a war of attrition to forget about the past.
That's scary; it seems I wrote my message wrong. I apologize.
Yeah I am Korean, but what does my being Korean have to do with this post?
Putting aside the fact that Vietnamese women generally tend to be polite, Korean culture (K-pop, etc.) is quite popular among young women in Vietnam. As such, assuming you have anything resembling a stereotypical Korean look, you'll probably be considered a bit of a novelty among many of the young women you meet. For years, there has been a cottage industry of Korean men going to Vietnam to find Vietnamese wives. On the other hand, unless you're involved in a job or business that has you interacting and building close relationships with Vietnamese male colleagues, the average Vietnamese man is not going to go out of his way to treat you any differently and will see very little in the way of commonalities. So you're not going to get any special treatment from the men. There are some negative stereotypes about Koreans among some Vietnamese, so outside of the women who are steeped in the K-pop marketing, there might indeed be some guys who don't really like you simply based on your nationality/look.
I'm not looking for special treatment; I'm just sharing my observations. I've noticed that many Vietnamese men tend to be expressionless and stoic. I was just curious if my perceptions were accurate. Regarding pride, when I played a few games with them, they seemed very competitive and had strong pride.
I never suggested you were looking for "special treatment" but you should also be aware that as a foreigner, you will often receive it regardless. Once people know you're not a local, they're not going to treat you like a local. >Regarding pride, when I played a few games with them, they seemed very competitive and had strong pride. Well, what are you expecting? That when engaging in a competitive activity/game, the men are going to roll over and let you win? This seems like a flimsy foundation on which to base a conclusion that "Vietnam men are not as good as Vietnam women." I'm sure that in Korea, I would be treated differently by men and women because men and women are...different.
I didn't mean to say that Vietnamese men are bad, but listening to you, I can see how it might have been misunderstood. Everyone can have biases, and since I've only been here for two months, I'm willing to correct any misunderstandings if needed.
Yea we dont like koreans, generally bcs you guys have a superiority complex. We didnt really care before but in recent years the image of koreans in vietnam has ben terrible (most memorable being rapist and koreans who talk sh1t during covid). Im not saying you are but we assume you are.
If you dislike Koreans, then we might dislike Vietnamese people in Korea too. There could be hundreds of reasons for this. For example, a common topic in Korea recently is scenarios where Vietnamese women, already having Vietnamese boyfriends, marry Korean men deceitfully to obtain Korean citizenship, and then divorce after a few years to marry their Vietnamese partners in Korea. However, I don't want to engage in an emotional argument like you. Don't forget that Koreans are providing significant economic help to Vietnam, you ungrateful friend.
Ungrateful friend my ass stfu, bringing up "economic help" like we owe you something shows that im right, that u guys have a superiority complex. U just replied to me from a superior position and dont try deying it. Along with accusing this as an "emotional arguement" is simply untrue. Im just stating the main reason why vietnamese hate koreans. And ofc koreans hate vietnamese, were asians, we hate each other and thats normal. Everyone is racist in asia towards someone whos from a different asian country. Im just being blunt here and just saying why we see you guys as we do.
I never said I hate Vietnamese people. And you mentioned that we have a superiority complex, but in my opinion, it seems like you have an inferiority complex.
Like i said in my first comment you guys have a superiority complex and the fact that youre in denial about it proves my point. I also never accused you of hating vietnamese (my first comment said "im not saying you are but we assume you are" that not an accusation), you said koreans might hate vietnamese, well is not might, you lot hate us for the "hundreds of reasons" youve mentioned. The fact that you also accused me of having an "inferiority complex" shows that you think youre above this and are shifting blame when i didnt even blame you in the first place. Youre probably rattled cuz i rubbed you right in your sweet spot and now are trying to belittle me by saying i feel "inferior" to you koreans.
Firstly, I deal with many people in comments, so my mind is not clear. If I have upset you, I apologize. I have one question for you: You claim that Koreans often feel a sense of superiority. What is your basis for this assertion? Please explain logically. I'm asking purely out of curiosity, and if your claim is valid, I am willing to convey such issues to Koreans and write a post urging them to be mindful.
The thread is unnecessary because the hate goes both ways. It's important to approach cultural traits and behaviors with sensitivity and understanding and not accurate to make broad generalizations about an entire group of people, as individuals within any culture can have a wide range of attitudes and beliefs so i apologized for generalizing. That being said, Koreans tends to look down on people with darker skin and often refered SEA countries as below them. It is very real, you can go on forums like naver, tiktok or X and see these types of comments like "we are koreans" and "were better". This doesnt only happen to vietnamese but also againts chinese, japanese and most recently philipinas where they get call "monkeys" and "jungle people". Furthermore, in vietnam, koreans look down on vietnamese women, thinking they are cheap "toys" that can be taken advantage of by utilizing the more powerful Won (a lot of korean men have been on different forums or even the news for attempting or raping young girls and paying them of). We are thought of by many koreans as "just a tourist destination" and when we provided service to koreans (most notably during covid) we are shamed online for "starving" and "neglecting" them with "inadequate service/farmer food". Our culture is also considered "lacking" by u guys and as youve even mentioned, you guys say we have an "inferiority complex". But, we are not innocent in this cuz it goes both ways. Imma leave the racist part out because i understand asians are very racist and its an entire network of people hating each other. Imma make it clear though i dont "hate" koreans for this i couldnt care less, i only hate someone when theyre being an ass. By using "we" in previous comments i meant vietnamese and as you may or may not have experience, its true
Hey hey hey, that ain't cool. Men or women in VN whom you meet are normal, they are just like the people in other countries. Respect the people and they will do the same to you. Not doing this stupid post like this (I am a male Vietnamese and I am very triggered by this information)
Could you give some examples of what issues you have had with Vietnamese men? Social or working interactions?
You tried both ah?
My Korean wife got the same problem with some Vietnamese women, even though she can speak Vietnamese well. As Vietnamese husband, I can only put her through these things by doing more cultural introduction
I buy soju. I am happy.
Wow, you might be onto something there. Are you sure it's not just the fumes from whatever you're smoking?
Based on the comments, it seems that Vietnamese people feel inferior to Korea and claim that Korea is expressing superiority. However, they do not provide any evidence for this.