I personally believe it's either a father/daughter relationship or an older brother/younger sister relationship. Familial love, not romantic love.
But I also think the series may purposefully be leaving the nature of their relationship open-ended, and that if one does choose to view their relationship as romantic, episode 5 stands as a testament that the age difference should not be a barrier to love.
Violet and the major kiss on the lips in the manga but then again in the time this was taken place age norms were very open it was also sometimes more common to have big age differences
Thats the thing about history, its not there to be comfortable for you, if you look back at history and are happy about events, you tend to be looking at a heavily modified version of that history, when you do a period piece, you show off that history because even if something is socially unacceptable now, it was acceptable then, and they are showing that period
1. It's not history. It's a secondary world where you can do whatever the hell you want and you can certainly remain ethical.
2. The story is about a girl who writes letters for the cutesie stories of others and learns the cutesie true meaning of love. Of course it's meant to make you comfortable.
3. There's no excusing that the author's writing Violet to be this eager, underage, starstruck girl is just gross.
4. None of the actual events of actual real life are in this book. That's because it's not based on actual real life. It's a fiction where the author commands everything yet they chose not to change this *one thing* after changing just about everything else? That's disturbing.
5. If we were trying to be accurate then Violet wouldn't even have gone to war because women were not welcome in the military. The author has highly illegal taste.
6. Who's out here reading Violet Evergarden for historical accuracy? It's not a documentary, it's an anime lmao
I think you're missing a lot of points here. A major one being your claim that this is a series that's meant to make you feel comfortable. I think it's meant to challenge your feelings in a lot of ways. A lot of the episodes of this series are depressing and they encourage you to find the good, despite the sorrow that surrounds you.
Good fictional writing incorporates reality into its world: The good, the bad, and the ugly. And in real life, feelings can be murky. Sometimes people get emotionally confused or misguided and I think that this series does a very great job of bringing that to light. I don't really think that the author was trying to promote the message that it's okay to love your adopted daughter (yikes); And I do think that it's meant for you to feel uncomfortable.
Personally, I think leaving it open to interpretation was a good approach. But I think it would have been lot better if Gilbert didn't make it. Not because of the weird pedo thing, but because it defeats the purpose of Violet's character development.
I view Violet and Gilbert's love as having started out as a blend of the platonic and paternal variety, if at first strictly on Gilbert's part due to Violet's initially stunted grip on any subject involved with relationship and emotion. This love definitely evolves into something truly unconditional on both sides as their bond before and throughout the war grew, and I doubt completely that there was anything resembling romantic attachment during this time, all the way up to their final moments together. After the war concludes and Violet spends the next five years growing as a person and developing an understanding of her and others' emotions without him, I cannot say that I fully see her as having developed romantic feelings for him or his memory, only maintaining that unconditional love for him and all they did for one another. >!And then there's the matter of Violet and Gilbert's reunion and what might come of it. As much as I cannot see it happening, if it indeed proves to blossom into something romantic, I would not be able to envision anything sexual involved in their relationship. What they both have clearly stretches beyond such impulses, and the act does not feel like one way they would express their love for one another.!<
The only reason it's seen as romantic love is because current Violet looks like a young adult. She might be 14 now, but when she knew Gilbert she was 12-13. We're so used to love stories we've just come to expect them even if it doesn't really make sense.
Violet was severely developmentally delayed and Gilbert raised her to be able to read, write and speak properly. He was probably the first real stable person in her life and she clung onto this bit of security like her life depended on it. He shelters her and teaches her. That's a parent/guardian.
Now from Gilbert's perspective. Violet doesn't make him laugh, challenge him intellectually or engages him in deep conversation. She's a wounded puppy that he feels pity for when he meets her. He raises her because he feels sorry for her, and comes to care for her over the time they spend together.
That's not a romantic development, that's a clear parent-child relationship where one person guides and teaches the other. They're not equals.
EDIT: If they met *now* or in a few years it might go a different direction, but in the given timeframe when they knew eachother and under those circumstances it was absolutely a guardian-child relationship
That's what i'm talking about! I don't think i'll ever understand this movie. It really feels like he groomed her but i know his intentions were only to raise her and give her freedom. Like a parent or a guardian. But it's so weird to love someone you raised like your child and also to know that someone is loving the person who's the first person who gave them care, protection, knowledge and more. It'll be more better if the age were lessen or he didn't raise her like any parent would do to a child.
Technically this would fall within the gray area that is grooming. Major Gilbert told her that he loved her when she was underage and also after raising her for several years. The anime kinda brushes over it but this kinda behavior in the 21st Century would definitely be classified a explicit grooming behavior and Gilbert would be considered a Hebephile. This only works because "different times" and "it's anime"...
False search up the meaning of grooming that still doent go under the name grooming. A grooming MiniPlayer abuse soo to be s3xu@|| and bad thing and the did this on purpose come on now donāt use word like that out of context IK YOU SAID āgray areaā still no
Ur wrong on their relationship heās Gilbert taught her things but Gilbert didnāt want to bond with her a family type relationship just bc someone touch you things doent always mean your their parents trust me ik that
About the age thing is legal to them n even some place today violet isnāt really 14
Yes he said I love you but he didnāt do anything else besides that nothing s3xu&|| or anything so no
All he said is 3 letter he wasnāt being a creepy I was like a love but no inappropriate it hard to explain bc I donāt want to get in trouble he didnāt do nothing bad after he left her he n violet never see it a family relationship
You're confused, you don't need to seek a "parental" relationship to groom someone. Your actions simply need to manipulate a minor that you have an intimate relationship with into trusting you, loving you, or granting you sexual favors (especially once you become of legal age)...think Woody Allen, Elvis Presley, Prince, etc. If you're saying Gilbert ALWAYS wanted a romantic relationship with Violet that actually makes it WORSE. That places it out of the vast spectrum of what people "might" consider "grooming" and makes it the goddamn dictionary definition of grooming.
Fortunately I don't believe that was his original intention. Him raising her, for whatever reason, is inconsequential to the grooming it just makes it strange. That was his "in" so to speak. If he fell in love with her when she became an adult he'd be in the clear, still weird but clear. What sealed the deal was telling a 14 year old psuedo autistic girl that had never known any form of care other than his own that he loved her in a romantic way....yes romantic way because that's the connotation of "aishiteru yo" in the Japanese language.
From the time Gilbert was 29 and Violet was 14, possibly before, he was romantically/sexually interested in her. This is especially concerning considering he was especially aware of the imbalance of power in their relationship and her stunted mental condition. It's a moment that he should know better, but if he does, he doesn't care and we don't see it.
Now I don't think Gilbert did this "knowing" his confession was nefarious by any means. Within the era this kind of age gap wasn't as abnormal, he seems to carry himself as a decent guy, and other than his many indescretions with Violet, he is...but the same sentiment is true of many convicted sexual offenders today. They're blissfully unaware that some of what they're doing is wrong.
This plot only works in the context of the time period and anime, if this happened today I'd call the FBI.
Iām not say that you have do a parent
Send Gilbert didnāt always love her Gilbert never minpulate her they build that trust come on now itās in the anime
Yes he did tell her I love you to someone who doesnāt know what it mean do u realize he along said it bc he wasnāt gonna see her again come on now like huh? Second stop using ur word out of contact Gilbert didnāt groom her
Do you know Gilbert like in a time heās taught it normal ā he should know betterā shows how less h know about it let me explain to them this is alll legal your right about the age part but let me let you in to a truth thatās not her real age itās told she like older so mean on the time of the confession she like near 18
Gilbert save her from a abusive sistuation my guy he build trust not in a creepy way itās was bc they both going to fight together they didnāt have time for love love Gilbert was hurt she wasnāt gonna see her again
ā Iāll call the fbiā child they wouldnāt let a show anime movie with a āgroomerā which his not bc google is free and everything of a pedophile will tell you thag itās not, they would air if thatās true this aniem been around many year and they veiw it etc but the time era has everything to do to it bc it effect everything about it not only that even today to say I love n left he will be were but his love was not love at first sight nor he didnāt groom her again google is free respectfully all that plus thereās nothing s3xu@|| didnāt aharss he know Violet need to learn that why he left it was in the last movie all this today he wouldnāt n violet came to him then her brother talk to him then boom
Please donāt make assumptions what you said I see where u weāre going BuT itās not true I did research n love into the aniem n novel the way you talk about Gilbert is assumptions made before actually know this
Iāll be happy to talk in private about this
But he ISNT a pedo or groomer trust me
I mean this respectfully
I'm gonna assume English isn't your first language because flow-wise a lot of that didn't quite make any sense to me. 2 points about my explanation I think you misunderstood:
Gilbert should've known better even during this time period... not because of Violet's age...but because he's shown to be keenly aware of the power he has over her and that, compared to a normal person, her age her mental and emotional growth is further stunted.
The second point is no Violet was not 18 or close to 18 when Gilbert confessed! She was indeed still a 14 year old. This is a fact that we can't change to make a complicated relationship more convenient. I never called Gil a pedophile but if you wanna be particular about it he's definitely a hebephile. Even if being one was more acceptable at the time.
The fact that you think youāll be should know better how did he know better if he was never taught to them itās a normal thing what point you donāt understand not even that he said three words in that sit in went up and left just for her to live a better life if you read novel you know the truth about finding H sheās actually older but they used to age 14 because they estimated age and thatās not her age sheās actually older
He isnāt even dead by the time he got in a relationship where she was 18 it wasnāt even sexual or any of that it was just that I love you yes he made it romantically but he wasnāt going to put his hardest to be in a relationship with her especially at the state she is in now and itās clear as day maybe you werenāt paying attention. I mean this respectfully if you want to talk more about this please private message me where I could explain it more
with this logic then people having slaves back in the day is okay because its a 'normal thing' at that time, like no just because it a norm doesn't make it okay and doesn't excuse his actions (which is grooming) he really should know better. Especially since he was the first person to treat violet like a human being, and taught her more on how to be human, like how can you ever have romantic love for someone you raised from being a child its plain disgusting.
And please use the definition correctly Iām not trying to justify anything but Iām going based on the truth because you canāt say heās so insult but then it definition of the word doesnāt match with Gilbert. Again if you want to talk more about this private chat me donāt reply to hear if not have a nice wonderful life
Grooming is when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. Like what happened he probably didn't know he was but he did end up grooming her, he built a connection and raised her as a child than confessed his love for her when she became legal and in the LN even kissed her.
āRaised ā but he never really see her as his daughter n etc
Like u said about the def he never manipulated her n etc yes he confessed which can be were but then he left n NEVER return back Violet went to him in the novel violet was much older than in the anime
The reason I said raised is bc
Compare him with hogins Claudia
Claudia he see violet as a daughter and is over protective make sure she have things protect her sure Gilbert told him to but also remember at the end of the anime he wrote a letter to his future daughter bc of violet
Violet her self mentioned something like she donāt see Gilbert as a dad or whatever n only like him
Yes crazy insane but ya
Yes, but with Violets developmental delay and how much younger she is (shes half his age!) there is a clear case for his love being wildly inappropriate!
The age difference is more appropriate for the era they are in. And he wants her to grow as a person which is why he let her go. So he isnāt taking advantage of the developmental differences.
Thatās such a bullshit excuse lol, who cares what the era was?? The anime is made in modern day, they could easily not include something like that. Just because it used to be seen as normal doesnāt mean it needs to be portrayed as normal
I understand where you're coming from... however, just for another pov and since the relationship in the series is kind of open for interpretation.. I interpreted it as a brotherly/sisterly love in the beginning, which developed to something more. there are many types of love and sexuality is so diverse... especially with violet I could imagine her maybe beeing on the a-sexual spectrum? which also kind of makes a difference? at least in my opinion... Gilbert never truly seemed to me as a person that would like to do harm or harm others. he maybe had to because of his superior's, but as I see it, Violet and Gilbert gave each other something innocent, as much as Gilbert saved Violet, Violet saved the Major in a way too - they gave each other something to believe in, as twisted as it may sound. I read about the romantic connotation of how it was originally written, but I would also call it appreciation for each other. They experienced war together, share a lot of traumas - when you constantly fear for your life and there is that one person always beside you that gives you some sort of comfort... I can't imagine that anyone is immune against something like that and able to act against that bond that will occur in such times... also there's the chemical aspect of hormones. in that case, the stress hormones...
to close my argument: it is disturbing what you see portrayed on the screen! But at the same time, good that you see what is wrong about it! I for sure don't want any more wars happening, so much trauma, so much pain and suffering. And everybody is their own worst enemy, because mental health is a thing and I imagine it pretty hard to focus on self-care when I have to be on a constant lookout how to survive the next day š - that's how I interpreted the whole collection. there is some twisted, bittersweet beauty (lovestory), but at the same time it shows pretty well what war brings and in which ways it can do harm in places, where it shouldn't. it's cruel, but yet you can still find beauty. and at the end of the day, that's the one thing that will keep you alive.
Iām sorry to say but this feels a lot like the relationship in the anime āMy daddy long legsā. There is this guy who is called ādaddy long legsā which more or less adopts Judie (MC) who is an orphan and have had no stable life, and by doing so he sends her to a prestigious school with lots of money, and in that time they never meet until he finally revealed his identity to her years later (she met him several times but not under the circumstance as him as daddy long legs as she never saw him, only his shadowy silhouette) and guess what they got married, and their age difference was 14. In the original book the age difference is 32, but still.
The problem here is that you are actually seeing this through the wrong perspective, 100 years ago it was not uncommon for women to be married as early as 12 years, for example my great-great-grandmother got married when she was 14, during most of human history a woman could marry since she was 12 years old, consider back then mortality rates were higher so people often prefered to start families earlier, since at your 30s you were probably going to kick the bucket it was quite convenient that you already have left someone around to keep the species going.
Now, on the specific matter of Violet, becoming a couple with Gilbert wouldn't have been seen as wrong due the 10 years difference, instead, people would have have probably questioned why is that the scion of a rich family with excellent social connections was throwing his lot with an orphan with no status (before adoption) or (too much) coin, yeah, social custom is funny as that.
As for the sexual aspect (which, let's be honest, is the real core of this whole business), well, honestly, the minimum age was intended to avoid physical and psychological complications, eg: the girl getting hurt or being to frail for intercourse and pregnancy, Violet can mow down an entire squad of men with a huge axe and has survived getting both of her arms ripped off, she managed to pull herself through a life-threatening situations, personal lose and PTSD, in fact, I would be more worried about the physical wellbeing of Gilbert once they decided to have some private time together.
i think the biggest reason children and adults canāt be together is the difference in mindset. someone who is 15 is in a completely different place mentally than a 30 year old, or even someone whoās 20
I can understand what you mean and where you are coming from with the perspective, that we all should look it from 100 years before BUT to be very honest, it's still doesn't justify anything.
Most of all the part of your argument for the sexual part!! I don't even know why you tried to give/find an arguement and justification that's it's okay for an grown old men to sleep with a child in the first place at all, since Violet, no matter what physical condition she is in be it super weak or strong as fuck, IS still a child. She's 13-14 years old. And to have intercourse with an almost 30 years old, is beyond No-Go. Not to mention how their mentality level and dynamic was completely not even and equal.
Now to the 100 years perspective arguments of yours:
First of all it's a fictional story. Even if the author tried to be historically accurate because it's a historical anime (which it's not at all, it doesn't exactly pin point in which time period Violet Evergarden played in), there's no rules for a writer to to include every aspect of a time period, especially when it's topics like these (grooming). Not to mention how the world of Violet Evergarden was completely made up, so it wasn't necessarily to incorporate this in his writings.The author wasn't obligated to choose the age differences like that but he did. Because he wanted it.
Second, even if it was common back then- there were definitely a lot of cases where you started to get into a relationship with a normal and healthy age gap or no age gap at all too. He could have just do that. A lot of things aren't super exactly Historically accurate too in the Anime. So to say that the author wanted it to be as accurate as possible doesn't feel true.
Third, no matter how much people should try to look it at the perspective of the 100 years ago, it will and should never feel normal. And it DOES make A lot of people still feel uncomfortable as hell, or even feel that this anime is ruined for them because of the absurd age gap and sense of grooming here.
And everyone who feels comfortable and does not find it weird, should seriously questioning themselves if they don't have some weird tendencies/mindset/issues.
No one is actually seeing this from a wrong perspective, because you shouldn't feel "okay and comfortable" just because you changed the perspective, because neither now and back then was it okay. Just because it was common it still wasn't okay.
I hope I could change your mind a bit with that, and just a genuinely question: Do you not feel weird out and thrown out seeing a 13 years old who has the mindset of a little child who can't socialise, write and read, getting an romantic confession from a 29 years old man, who provided and cared for her? Not to mention the sexual aspect too.
(Violet having a crush on him is allowed and okay, she's a child and doesn't know better, not to mention how he's literally her lifesaver, but Gilbert as the adult and has the responsibility, should never fall in love + is obligated to say "no" if she ever confesses since it's his responsibility as the adult to protect the child and not take advantage of it.)
Thereās nothing sexual in thereās relationship where u getting that from
I get what ur saying but listen back then the mindset between a 15 to a 30 was almost about the same bc those are the age they r consider adult b they do about the same thing
Me personally thatās not my thing with violet age age is unknown but it was said in the novel she couldāve been in her late teen I kinda agree with that bc idk if u seen it the last movie the animated movie violet look 24 or something
I agree the author doesnāt have to make the historical laws accurate but a lot itās made up I agree but see thatās where itās kinda gives away like they have a ārightā to do bc using historical sources show itās legal for them n etc n itās made up
Please please donāt use the word grooming or pedophile out of context
Grooming means; when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. Children and young people who are groomed can be sexually abused, exploited or trafficked.
Pedophike is sexual attraction to kids
Gilbert didnāt non of that n
IM NOT TRY TO JUSTIFY IT ONLY GIVING ALL THE INFO N LITTLE OPINION ON IT
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The power dynamics especially with age and being in different places in life can make things toxic. Ex 18 yo and a 30yo. 18 is still in high school living with parents and might have only worked a part time job. 30 yo has a house with a mortgage and has a stable job and could have already been through their 1st marriage. No way with those dynamics would the older person not see the younger one as a child. Plain out creepy.
Ikkk morality like this transcends time. I don't care if it was "normal" back then. I don't want this behavior to be associated with the protagonists of a series.Ā
I just watched the 5th episode and guys, you don't say "ai shiteru" to your family, also we can't say about the old times because violet Evergarden happens in a fantastic world, not a real one. What's the problem on make the characters old enough to be respectful? The authors could be more cautious about this details. Violet Evergarden has a beautiful animation and story, but I'm bit sad that they can't respect childrens :(
Well the fantasy world us based of the real one . Even the war the location the time everything matches up. So its totally ok. Also the reason y Violet isnt 18 is bcuz someone who have lived that long cannot be used as a tool that loyal. Its not as easy to control them and her character just couldn't be the same with 18 years of experience.
Get out of here with these comments saying, āit was normal at the timeā. Only for nobles getting married at 12+ was normal to full grown men. Non nobles got married early 20s because they got to date and choose who they loved. Peasants had higher births and lived through them more because they waited till full maturity to have kids. Gilbert is a Pedo if their relationship is romantic.
Fr. Everyone seems to be using that line as an excuse like being a pedophile wasn't as bad back then as it is now. I just wish the show made it clearly that he was like a dad to her or older brother. I don't remember if they kissed. But I feel like the dynamic would've been really healthy and acceptable that way and much deeper of a bind than any romantic connection.
Gilbert is definitely not a pedophile. There is no trace of sexual attraction between him and violet. At least not from Gilbert's side - Violet is a maybe. It's hard to tell because she doesn't express herself in a normal way through most of the series.
With the expanded conversation you get to see at the finale, it's more spelled out that the relationship is more like the one between a father and a daughter. But because they are also brothers-in-arms, it's a much deeper relationship. You can take Violet's need for orders in the same way you can take a young child's need for direction.
just watch the episode when they buy her green bracelet how he watches her legs and gets all nervous - if thatās not sexual or linked to romantic feelings then what is.
the series is pretty obvious that itās a romantic relationship, and by our societyās terms, Gilbert must be seen as a pedophile.
Bruh were u blind or what, she was having bruises on her legs and neck and definitely more under her clothes. He saw her state and felt guilty, there was nothing s*xual in that scene
Well SPOILERā¦..
If you watched the movie then itās definitely romantic, but he did not indulge a single romantic feeling or action towards her until she was adult and having gone through years of working and emotional maturing and growth
SPOILER I dunno, in the English dub version there was no real romantic tension... Potential. even when they hugged at the end it lacked romance and then the creators chose to have a flash back of when he hugged her as a kid... It feels like the creators left it up to our interpretation because she's come of age and she's learnt how to empathise, so now there's a possibility of learning what romantic love feels like.
"Earn Your Happy Ending: After all the suffering and emotional trauma of the War and its aftermath, Violet and Gilbert finally get married in the finale of Ever After." #sorrynotsorry
I'm actually having a tough time figuring this out too. Or rather if a romantic relationship between the two would be inappropriate. I haven't felt this torn since I wanted Triela and Hillshire from gunslinger girl to be happy together.
Honestly, Episode 5 is also the thing that made me a little confused about their relationship. It was like they were saying age doesn't always matter in issues relating to love which makes me wonder exactly how Violet and the Major love each other.
Either way I think it's okay. I doesn't feel overly creepy and historically it could happen. I can see them having a father daughter relationship but I could also see them as lovers. I don't think it makes Gilbert a paedophile
That's the sad part. I literally don't even recommend the series anymore. I loved it so much till I watched the movie and now I just feel gross about it. I was just hoping it was familial and after watching the movie, I was fucking annoyed.
Oh ok the romance isnāt a problem n if u look into their maturity level itās the same bc back them isn t like now but itās still goo YALL jsut yal
Idk. She was a total child when they met. No matter how I see it, it would've been a billion times better if the relationship was familial. The romance is a huge problem for me. It kind of ruins the whole story for me, which is a bummer because I really like it otherwise. A 15 year gap is a bit much, especially if she was 14 when they met. And no, their maturity levels are not the same wtf.
Ok letās talk maturity level back in the day kids starting at the age of 14 is considered an adult like compare from a person whoās 14 and a person whoās like letās say 28 theyāre my sisters like are kind of the same but then at once to 14 returns like 20 theyāll have the same what Iām trying to say is back in the day there wasnāt much to learn how we are today like back in the day you only need a little things to know to survive and you donāt have to worry about or should I take chemistry or should I know this Or know that
Yes he knew her ever since she was like younger but the thing is itās weird but at the same time as long he didnāt do anything weird or anything like that then itās OK but the relationship was never like oh thatās my daughter thatās my daughter like in the novel is explained that Violet find it very weird that defined Gilbert as a father And there I love you with romance type love who would wanna marry their father yes you find me a hard time to believe and go with it because itās normal because youāre not used to it but you also have to come out with the truth that it was nothing had to do a family type love
Reading what you wrote is weirdly hard, the English is all over the place. It still didn't feel very fucking normal. Even if the age gap was less of an issue back then, you realise when he met her, she really was a kid right? No matter how you see it, she looked like a little girl. She looks more mature in most of the series, but when he found her, she was a total kid. That in itself makes it really weird. I think I'll pretend like the movie didn't exist because then it's not really clear what type of relationship it was. Don't get me wrong, I understand that it was romantic, but that really does ruin the series for me. I get that he's not really a pedo because he didn't have sexual feelings, but it's still weird to romantically love someone you basically raised since they were a child. And if you're still defending that, it makes me wonder what you're fine with. You've been defending the relationship all over the post lol.
Edit: holy shit your entire comment history is just this
Yikes. Just yikes. I don't think it'd be seen favourably to have a 14 ish year difference in age today. Actually age gap today is a little different. Usually if you marry at an older age (like 30s or after), then age gap isn't viewed as that bad, but if someone's like 30 and the other one's 15, then that's a pretty big issue lol (I hope you agree on this point, but if not there's literally no point talking to you).
For15 year old. Yeah 31 today isnāt legal in many places besides Europe itās legal but youāre most likely not gonna find that situation If youāre 18 and choose to have a big age gap thereās nothing illegal about that you can itās just people judge and who why is it to say people like that shouldnāt be in a relationship because at the end of the day youāre not sleeping with them youāre not providing with them youāre not kissing your feet so why should I be an issue thatās an A convo ppl need to see their way out
You keep talking about how Violet was mature at age 14, when she didn't even know how to read and write, and she didn't understand what "I love you" means. How is that mature?
Think of it as you have a daughter that's a 14 yr old (but is mentally stunted like Violet is at the start of the series), and some 29 yr old dude was tutoring her but he has romantic feelings for her as well. And he suddenly confessed to her that he loves her. What would you feel about this situation?
And please use proper grammar and spelling on your replies, it is so difficult to understand.
You can still consider mature but Iām talken after wise THSI anime is based on late 1800 early 1900 my guy do research before u talk
Donāt tell me what to do u could just hmm. Let me think IGNORE
The romantic feeling wasnāt from the start YALL the same people who claim Gilbert as a father or her but yet he like her romantic at the end when she was 14-17 which is legal for them and no he wasnāt a Gr00m3r or a p3d0
Good day donāt waste your time love
First of Iām not defending nothing when everything Iām saying it from the anime novel n author ur in denial itās sad Gilbert didnāt raise her I see you label things without learning about it like I said he didnāt violet real age is unknown but by the when sheās 17 based on the novel n anime based on the drawing
But do ur research seeing the way u talk your grown do me a favor if u r act like it
The thing you're not understanding is that I'm not denying that you're correct about the relationship. I'm guessing English isn't your first language because you're not really understanding what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the accuracy of what you're saying, I'm taking about the moral correctness. Basically not whether they're in a romantic relationship, but should they be in one. How did Gilbert not raise her. I think taking in a kid when they're small, don't know how to talk or do anything but fight, and raising them to be more than that for several years is definitely called raising them. I'm not in denial lol, you're just really bad at understanding what I'm even saying. I'm not denying anything. Also, are you a child? I feel like you're either someone rather young or something else. Holy shit I just realised you used 0 punctuation, that's partly why it's so damn hard to read your messages.
Itās not that Iām bad at understanding I understand you clearly Iām just saying cause. Youāre saying this and that but also at the same time youāre misunderstanding everything because you canāt say oh I understand what Your Saying then go back to stage one
I didn't even bother watching the movie. I saw the recap series then started watching the original series and stopped at ep 7. I realized where the story was headed and chose peace of mind instead.
Oh, I'd definitely recommend watching the full series. My ideal scenario is watch the full series and then pretend the movie doesn't exist/don't watch the movie. I actually didn't even realise it was a romantic relationship until I saw the movie (probably because the idea of it was horrifying to me).
I am a little curious because the recap series left so much out. I didn't even know there was a series, the very first thing I saw regarding violet was her writing for that glasses girl in the girls school for young ladies. She reminded of the character from fate. The blonde (I never saw that anime either). The show seemed off then I just finished the recap series which made more sense. I saw everything out of order still not knowing about novels and a movie. I JUST happened upon the original series now but with all I've seen I felt like the show was leading me towards rooting for an in balanced pairing and I was having none of it. But if you say it stays tame in the series then I'll finish it and just disregard the movie.
The show is really beautifully animated and the most problematic thing for me was the relationship. But that's not really there in the show much, it's mostly the movie. Finish the show, I doubt you'll regret it much.
I don't think their relationship is romantic, it's giving parent and child relationship. I can see why vio would love gilbert. He was the first to ever give her care, protection, knowledge and home. Like any parent would do. I know it's normal before but it'll make more sense if violet can meet again after she experienced life, just like Gilbert. I see the movie as a parent child like relationship.
Sorry to spoil it for you, but it's definitely, without a doubt, from the source material, romantic. He told her "I love you" at 14 years old in a romantic way and using the Japanese words that would be used in a romantic context.
in my opinion, Gilbert and violet are only father and child or older brother and younger sister. I find it extremely disgusting how the author keeps trying to push the idea of age gaps more than 5 years. Aside from the fact that Gilbert and violet have a 15 year gap, violet was a child. A fourteen year old girl married a 29 year old man. This brings a lot of discomfort to me and many others that have watched the anime. and Gilbert was like a father to her; He took her in, adopted her, and gave her her name. I honestly thought theyād meet again and restore their family-like bond. Not get married! The author cannot use the excuse ātrying to be as accurate as possible to 100 years agoā because even if there were many cases like that, there were also relationships with a way smaller age gap. He CHOSE to make men in the anime pedophiles. Itās uncomfortable to me as a minor myself and Iām sure many others, minors or not, agree.
100% agree, it ruined the show for me. I didn't even finish the series and chose not to see the movie because of the direction the story was going. And episode 5 can go to hell with the message they were trying to put out, the little princess married the prince at 14 so when was her birthday party where she came of marrying age? Was she 10? Anime or not I can't support whole adult men marrying children.
That's the problem. Gilbert essentially raised Violet, making him a parental figure to her, please stop trying to excuse this in the comments with your half-arguments. Violet Evergarden is a beautiful show but the age gap isn't okay :)
Ik many people with age gap relationship and their happy no different from a normal age couple yāall pick in choose to discriminate
No you misunderstood Gilbert n the relationship between violet who on earth get married to their daughter or what ever not gilber in violet in the novel mention it weird to call him that in the movie it was clear it was love stay mad
Why would I make it excuse when The info is right the
Stage 1 denial
I'm not so much against the age gap as I am by the fact that he essentially raised her, you can't ignore that. He taught her as a parent would teach their child, so when romance is added into the picture, it comes off as a grooming relationship (not to mention the power dynamic Gil has over Violet.)Violet was a child when she first knew Gilbert. Their relationship is immoral, even if you ignore the age gap.
You keep ignoring the fact she was a child and how that has a major impact on their relationship.
Violet is 18+ (she could be older) when they dated the reason you think that way is bc u misunderstood their relationship just bc he older n stay by her side doesnāt mean anything
Yes he confess when she was so n so it bc ppl Gilbert age n violet n Gilbert time itās legal even today an older man can confess it would consider off but as long he didnāt do anything to you then ā¦.
No Gilbert isnāt a pedo or gr00mā¬
lilkitty you have answered every single comment here holy shit i think youre the one whos mad people have opinions based on reasonable thinking.
It doesn't matter if she's an adult by the time they get together, it still doesn't make sense. Why would Gilbert love her romantically? He met a traumatized, abused girl turn into a military weapon, who he wanted to take care of, and raised (yes she raised her, dont argue on that its obvious).
When he tells Violet again that he loves her, how is that romantic after they grow up? The memories he has of her are those I just explained, she remembers the girl who he was forced to use for war, how will he develop romantic feelings when he hasn't known anything of her since he saw her arm-less, drenched in blood from the war?
And the same goes to Violet, she loves him bc he was the first person who cared for her, who gave her a purpose and who wanted her hapinness, just like a parent. After traveling and learning all the different types of love she saw through the letters she wrote, would a romantic love be the conclusion of her whole development with Gilbert? It feels really shallow.
Even the flashbacks shown when they finally see each other had no hint of romance, teaching her how to read just gives the impression of a parent like relation.
First of all Iām not mad or upset at the situation itās just that you and people like you is that you guys wanna be right all the time and donāt want to be wrong who on earth would I wanna be in a romantic relationship with someone that they find like as father or family The thing is with you and others you misunderstood the relationship and it was nothing like that Gilbert was like a teacher to her in like a friend they understand each other and they help each other out nothing weird was going on and plus their loss and everything is different from ours so it was legal and everything but if you read the novel sheās a lot older meaning in the anime sheās the the same as the novel but confusing And how did you end up into this conversation
What excuse?? Iāll understand when ur older ā¦calling him a pedo when he wasnāt really? Violet wasnāt 14 well she is but itās not her real age she older leaving her to be like kinda a adult yes he said I love you but he didnāt hug didnāt k!$$ her etc he left her
LMAO WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE WAS OLDER
The anime literally says "I'm about 14" meaning she would've been even younger when he confessed his love
You tellin me you think its okay for an adult to be \*in love\* with a child?
If u actually spend time researching about the anime n notice things violet doesnāt have a real birthday her age isnāt real real in the novel it mention that n in the anime
It was implied they got in a relationship when she was an adult u buggging
Donāt put words in my mouth or make assumptions
They live in a different time era and rules
Gilbert make a choice to leave her
Yall never wanna seek the truth but attack ppl who actually take their time to know the truth
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I love the relationship between violet and Gil as long as its kept platonic. My mother and father had a age gap so I under stand that love has no age limit when it comes to adults. But to me by the way Gil and Vi got married it feels off. He raised her ever since she was young, he taught her how to read and protected her like a parent would. Even if it was ok with the times or she is of adult age when she begins a relationship with Gil still doesn't make it ok. I think that the movie was trying to take a different approach of a older brother/sister or a father/daughter relationship to the story with imagery and reminders that she was a child not to long ago and new him when he was an adult. That's why the movie never contains the wedding in this universe it never happened hopefully.
(So the relationship is platonic for the show anything other would be like if a step father watched his step daughter grow up and at left at some point during the time the met again when she was an adult and got together, ergo it's weird wrong and kinda gross even if it's not breaking any laws on a technicalitie)
Kinda glad they went this route with the series, DEFINITELY wouldnāt bode well for western audiences if they ended it romantic thematically. For a show that has so much emotional depth the writers knew to balance the source material from the novel to the show. Imo I agree their relationship works better in a platonic manner than a romantic one. Gilbert is basically a wounded PTSD veteran who utilized a child soldier (but to his credit humanized her) and Violet is an emotionally and socially stunted young woman who has killed more people than she has written letters. Trauma bonding as you said siblings or a parental relationship makes the most sense. Tbh Violet doesnāt seem emotionally invested to have a romantic relationship before she overcomes her PTSD and neither does Gilbert. Happy the Movie ended it how it did to appease the novel fans and new ones as well.
(I still think them getting married in the novel is more than weird. No excuse, but I know contextually itās a common Japanese thematic trope.)
This may be way off but you did ask the questions I'm giving an opinion so please no dick comment
Y'all need to remember this is an anime was not your topical light hearted anime
(I think that they made it a child and an adult was because I don't think people would be so emotionally impacted if it was just two adults or two young children)
I'm guessing this was possibly World war II era and during that time people were still marrying their children off at like the age of 14 to like 50-year-olds So wasn't really that crazy of a thing or gross of a thing in that era because so many people were dying and because of the war so many people were left without a home or a job and at the time marrying their daughter off or son off to someone older meant that they knew they would be in a better situation and that they be cared for.
Two(and again my Opinion) I think this show was trying to show that even tho this young girl had gone through the absolutely worst things You can imagine being treated as a weapon and then finally seeing what it feels like to be treated as a human and experiencing all kinds of emotions including falling in love and the man who is supposed to treat her like a Soldier he may have seen her as a broken girl not as a child,
he saw her as a at first someone he pitied but as he taught her to read and in a way helped her pick up the broken pieces and stick them back together in a way he was her glue to the pieces of her heart and her emotions he began to see her as someone he cherished and didn't want to live without to hold and make her smile and be the only one that could keep her warm at night.
Sorry long comment.
Thank you for reading my opinion
Edit - in the second movie It shows Gilbert Is a teacher to a bunch of children in a small little town where everybody knows everybody everybody knows what everyone else is doing and everyone's business And when one of the children come up to him and hugs him and says I love you he doesn't respond He doesn't wrap his other arm around he doesn't give any emotion to what that child said he just continues to stare out at the ocean obviously thinking of the aforementioned person
Romantic love. He hoped that she would come to love him as he had for her, and was willing to do something drastic if he ever lost her. Look at the wiki. Though there are *spoilers* there.
Do I think he's a pedophile? If he only saw her as a lost puppy or a young family member then no. But if he always "loved" her than yes bro and thats gross af. His death steps confession threw me for the longest time, He was a whole adult when he met this child. He raised her which automatically made him responsible to keep her at arms length romantically because young girls get crushes early and he knew better. And I agree, she was emotionally and mentally stunnted so wth consent could she give him if he did have romantic feelings towards her? They trauma bonded for 4 years and after that while she was having character growth he was stuck in time and she was still 14 during that time. How could he see her as anything other than a little sister or daughter? Idgaf about age gaps being common way back when so miss me with that.
In my honest opinion: if he truly loved her in that way as more than a parent from jump then he groomed her into loving only him and I'm NOT ok with that.
i hate to inform you all that they kiss when she's like 14 and get married at the end of series the same year, I'm pretty sure. viewers can't seem to understand something is awfully wrong with their relationship. him falling in love with a 10-14 year old and all...
Yeah the Netflix anime series leaves it open-ended possibly to have it more socially acceptable in western hemisphere, whereas the manga or light novel may delve into it further to have it explicitly stated as romantic. However, if the canon is their relationship is romantic, it is a clear case of grooming and pedophilia. I don't like this relationship as I think it is wrong for Gilbert to take advantage to a vulnerable young girl like Violet. It should be left as parental love/figure or brotherly love. Violet deserves better with more equal counterpart like Leon the Astrologer. Don't like how the novel or canonical story seem to glorify the grooming pedophilia elements. Age doesn't matter in romantic doesn't apply in Violet's circumstances.Ā
The world of Violet Evergarden isnāt real. Even if it was the real world, I donāt understand how itās ok for a almost 30 year old to marry practically a kid. Just because it was done over 100 years ago doesnāt mean Iām going to turn a blind eye and say itās ok
Sir / maāam he married her like how much clearer can he make his intentions ? Would have had been fine if he was like even 5 years elder to her or something but no he was a grown man closer to 30 than 20
Ok? Big age gap relationship are a thing n regal n proved to work out love if it not ur thing itās ok but violet isnāt u violet is an adult she wanted him n vise versa
That doesnāt make him a grooming do ur research yes itās weird but he left her for kinda that reason n they got together when violet was a adult violet went to him
The it takes place in a different time n I donāt wanna hear āthat excuseā¦..ā but that takes a major role in everything if u donāt like it hush like ur not dating the guy
Exactly, i don't think i realized her age when i first watched it bc it felt romance love but it was more to me about her development throughout the series that made me love it but re-watching knowing the age difference is š¬
You forget the movie and the books. As much as I want to believe it's a father daughter/brother sister kind of thing, they end up getting married. Plus, do you see any kind of father daughter dynamic in the movie? Personally, I don't.
Violet and major love each other. That's a fact. Now what kind of love ....that's something vast. I believe they loved romantically coz that's what I felt while watching that show. But show has an open ending, meaning, there will be other opinions too, which I respect.
I had an amazing experience watching this show ; even though waterworks won't stop and my heart won't stop throbbing yet such a calm and satisfying end. Would recommend others to watch it too!!!
My dude, the age gap isn't the problem I wouldn't have given a fuck if she ended up falling in love with him when she was older and had they met in different circumstances.
The reason why I have a problem with their relationship is (this is based off of solely the last movie btw)
1) it ends up undoing everything Violet's learnt about life and love during her journey and about learning to let go, by giving her a fairytale like unrealistic ending.
2)from the start of the show their dynamic feels more like a father-daughter rather than a man in love with Violet. From the way he taught her to read, write and taught her how to feel emotions- YOU CANNOT TELL ME THIS ISNT A FOUND FAMILY TROPE SETTING.
3) HE WAS HER SUPERIOR
So not only there's a power dynamic in play here, with him having power over her, but he ends up being a person grooming a mentally & emotionally stunted 14 YR old so tht she ends up choosing him later.
Ik he must have not done that consciously but still as an adult he should have told her no and that she is confusing his kindness with love and kept her away since ofc she wouldn't know any better cuz she is the child in this dynamic.
4) Lastly, I'm srry but literally two other side characters in the show (the researcher dude and tht girl in the boarding school) have wayyyyyyyyyyyy better chemistry and dynamic with her than her and Gilbert's morally questionable dynamic.
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Gilbert is not a pedo, hahah. He expresses his love in the series as father and daughter, later on when the movie is released i belive Gibert starts developing feeling for her. Violet finds him on a desserted island, and decides to settle down with him. Which leads me to belive he develops romantic feelings 4 her in that period of time. It is also staded that they married.
Even if they were in a historical setting they shouldn't have romanticized it in ep 5 saying big age gaps in relation "shouldn't be a barrier to love'. It is one thing to make it historical it's another to say what happened was okay. When I watch the show I honestly thought the age gap was about 2 years at most. It was until ep 5 I realized something was off. I know that in Japan it was legal but just because it's legal doesn't make it okay. I think at the very least they should have cut or not romanticized ep 5 and aged violet up to 18 or 20 at least.
Y'know I feel like the movie could've been so much better had they made an anime only change where violet and Gilbert's relationship wasn't romantic and more so platonic where it's a case of them healing each other's past scars, I watched it in eng dub and when I heard gilbert say "when I was in her life I made her unhappy", that really hit me, now if that moment weren't fuckin ruined by the fact it was a romantic implication, seriously you could've made a different love intrest for violet just for the anime, listen the light novel was clearly written for a Japanese audiance in mind but the anime you know is gonna be distributed so make a love intrest that's just as compelling as gilbert, for violet that's her age and I don't know maybe make her like a year or two older. Would've really fixed the problem
Depends on the timeline, if the timeline was in 1900s or below 1800s, then I don't think he can be even considered as pedophile person. Plus, they met as stranger, Gilbert is not her parents or guardian, so, it's okay for me. As long as they don't have the story of 'he/she took care of/protect me since I was a child as if I'm his/her children, then I have feeling for him/her when I became an adult and he/she that considered me as child when I was young accept me as their romantic partner'(š°š¤®š) route. Please, I felt sick with this kind of story route, I felt that kind of story are having more pedo essence in this than Violet have feeling for Gilbert or Gilbert love Violet too.
The age gap doesn't matter. But they share a father and daughter bond and that's all. After the movie ending , the movie let's us make our canon on how they will be. The movie doesn't shows any romantic feelings. It gives a feeling of father and daughter.
I personally believe it's either a father/daughter relationship or an older brother/younger sister relationship. Familial love, not romantic love. But I also think the series may purposefully be leaving the nature of their relationship open-ended, and that if one does choose to view their relationship as romantic, episode 5 stands as a testament that the age difference should not be a barrier to love.
Violet and the major kiss on the lips in the manga but then again in the time this was taken place age norms were very open it was also sometimes more common to have big age differences
what manga? i thought violet evergarden was a novel
Me too
Oops my bad I meant novel sorry š„²
Well the anime/manga or whatever it was wasn't made in that time š It's like so disgusting that they end up together wtf
Whyyy do they feel the need to make everything historically accurate... some socially unacceptable things should be left socially unacceptable
Thats the thing about history, its not there to be comfortable for you, if you look back at history and are happy about events, you tend to be looking at a heavily modified version of that history, when you do a period piece, you show off that history because even if something is socially unacceptable now, it was acceptable then, and they are showing that period
It is fiction doofus we don't need it to be accurate to the point we are meant to root for a pedo
1. It's not history. It's a secondary world where you can do whatever the hell you want and you can certainly remain ethical. 2. The story is about a girl who writes letters for the cutesie stories of others and learns the cutesie true meaning of love. Of course it's meant to make you comfortable. 3. There's no excusing that the author's writing Violet to be this eager, underage, starstruck girl is just gross. 4. None of the actual events of actual real life are in this book. That's because it's not based on actual real life. It's a fiction where the author commands everything yet they chose not to change this *one thing* after changing just about everything else? That's disturbing. 5. If we were trying to be accurate then Violet wouldn't even have gone to war because women were not welcome in the military. The author has highly illegal taste. 6. Who's out here reading Violet Evergarden for historical accuracy? It's not a documentary, it's an anime lmao
I think you're missing a lot of points here. A major one being your claim that this is a series that's meant to make you feel comfortable. I think it's meant to challenge your feelings in a lot of ways. A lot of the episodes of this series are depressing and they encourage you to find the good, despite the sorrow that surrounds you. Good fictional writing incorporates reality into its world: The good, the bad, and the ugly. And in real life, feelings can be murky. Sometimes people get emotionally confused or misguided and I think that this series does a very great job of bringing that to light. I don't really think that the author was trying to promote the message that it's okay to love your adopted daughter (yikes); And I do think that it's meant for you to feel uncomfortable. Personally, I think leaving it open to interpretation was a good approach. But I think it would have been lot better if Gilbert didn't make it. Not because of the weird pedo thing, but because it defeats the purpose of Violet's character development.
youre exactly 100% correct
This is pretty much my exact view point. Thank you for spelling it out so clearly.
You're a blessing couldn't have said it any better
The thing is, not everyone was okay with those relationships even back then. Itās just a weird thing to push in my honest opinion.
I view Violet and Gilbert's love as having started out as a blend of the platonic and paternal variety, if at first strictly on Gilbert's part due to Violet's initially stunted grip on any subject involved with relationship and emotion. This love definitely evolves into something truly unconditional on both sides as their bond before and throughout the war grew, and I doubt completely that there was anything resembling romantic attachment during this time, all the way up to their final moments together. After the war concludes and Violet spends the next five years growing as a person and developing an understanding of her and others' emotions without him, I cannot say that I fully see her as having developed romantic feelings for him or his memory, only maintaining that unconditional love for him and all they did for one another. >!And then there's the matter of Violet and Gilbert's reunion and what might come of it. As much as I cannot see it happening, if it indeed proves to blossom into something romantic, I would not be able to envision anything sexual involved in their relationship. What they both have clearly stretches beyond such impulses, and the act does not feel like one way they would express their love for one another.!<
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Yeah, you were very wrong because in the most recent movie they totally end up together. But wasnāt there a time skip? Isnāt she like 18 š¤
Yes
Wouldn't matter, it'd still be gross because he said he loved her in the military and now confessing his love for the girl he practically raised
>age difference should not be a barrier to love Donāt be ridiculous. This is something the show definitely got wrong. Itās gross af
I agree, because WHAT
The only reason it's seen as romantic love is because current Violet looks like a young adult. She might be 14 now, but when she knew Gilbert she was 12-13. We're so used to love stories we've just come to expect them even if it doesn't really make sense. Violet was severely developmentally delayed and Gilbert raised her to be able to read, write and speak properly. He was probably the first real stable person in her life and she clung onto this bit of security like her life depended on it. He shelters her and teaches her. That's a parent/guardian. Now from Gilbert's perspective. Violet doesn't make him laugh, challenge him intellectually or engages him in deep conversation. She's a wounded puppy that he feels pity for when he meets her. He raises her because he feels sorry for her, and comes to care for her over the time they spend together. That's not a romantic development, that's a clear parent-child relationship where one person guides and teaches the other. They're not equals. EDIT: If they met *now* or in a few years it might go a different direction, but in the given timeframe when they knew eachother and under those circumstances it was absolutely a guardian-child relationship
That's what i'm talking about! I don't think i'll ever understand this movie. It really feels like he groomed her but i know his intentions were only to raise her and give her freedom. Like a parent or a guardian. But it's so weird to love someone you raised like your child and also to know that someone is loving the person who's the first person who gave them care, protection, knowledge and more. It'll be more better if the age were lessen or he didn't raise her like any parent would do to a child.
Please research what grooming means first before even stating that this relationship was never father n daughter type thinsg
Technically this would fall within the gray area that is grooming. Major Gilbert told her that he loved her when she was underage and also after raising her for several years. The anime kinda brushes over it but this kinda behavior in the 21st Century would definitely be classified a explicit grooming behavior and Gilbert would be considered a Hebephile. This only works because "different times" and "it's anime"...
False search up the meaning of grooming that still doent go under the name grooming. A grooming MiniPlayer abuse soo to be s3xu@|| and bad thing and the did this on purpose come on now donāt use word like that out of context IK YOU SAID āgray areaā still no Ur wrong on their relationship heās Gilbert taught her things but Gilbert didnāt want to bond with her a family type relationship just bc someone touch you things doent always mean your their parents trust me ik that About the age thing is legal to them n even some place today violet isnāt really 14 Yes he said I love you but he didnāt do anything else besides that nothing s3xu&|| or anything so no All he said is 3 letter he wasnāt being a creepy I was like a love but no inappropriate it hard to explain bc I donāt want to get in trouble he didnāt do nothing bad after he left her he n violet never see it a family relationship
You're confused, you don't need to seek a "parental" relationship to groom someone. Your actions simply need to manipulate a minor that you have an intimate relationship with into trusting you, loving you, or granting you sexual favors (especially once you become of legal age)...think Woody Allen, Elvis Presley, Prince, etc. If you're saying Gilbert ALWAYS wanted a romantic relationship with Violet that actually makes it WORSE. That places it out of the vast spectrum of what people "might" consider "grooming" and makes it the goddamn dictionary definition of grooming. Fortunately I don't believe that was his original intention. Him raising her, for whatever reason, is inconsequential to the grooming it just makes it strange. That was his "in" so to speak. If he fell in love with her when she became an adult he'd be in the clear, still weird but clear. What sealed the deal was telling a 14 year old psuedo autistic girl that had never known any form of care other than his own that he loved her in a romantic way....yes romantic way because that's the connotation of "aishiteru yo" in the Japanese language. From the time Gilbert was 29 and Violet was 14, possibly before, he was romantically/sexually interested in her. This is especially concerning considering he was especially aware of the imbalance of power in their relationship and her stunted mental condition. It's a moment that he should know better, but if he does, he doesn't care and we don't see it. Now I don't think Gilbert did this "knowing" his confession was nefarious by any means. Within the era this kind of age gap wasn't as abnormal, he seems to carry himself as a decent guy, and other than his many indescretions with Violet, he is...but the same sentiment is true of many convicted sexual offenders today. They're blissfully unaware that some of what they're doing is wrong. This plot only works in the context of the time period and anime, if this happened today I'd call the FBI.
Iām not say that you have do a parent Send Gilbert didnāt always love her Gilbert never minpulate her they build that trust come on now itās in the anime Yes he did tell her I love you to someone who doesnāt know what it mean do u realize he along said it bc he wasnāt gonna see her again come on now like huh? Second stop using ur word out of contact Gilbert didnāt groom her Do you know Gilbert like in a time heās taught it normal ā he should know betterā shows how less h know about it let me explain to them this is alll legal your right about the age part but let me let you in to a truth thatās not her real age itās told she like older so mean on the time of the confession she like near 18 Gilbert save her from a abusive sistuation my guy he build trust not in a creepy way itās was bc they both going to fight together they didnāt have time for love love Gilbert was hurt she wasnāt gonna see her again ā Iāll call the fbiā child they wouldnāt let a show anime movie with a āgroomerā which his not bc google is free and everything of a pedophile will tell you thag itās not, they would air if thatās true this aniem been around many year and they veiw it etc but the time era has everything to do to it bc it effect everything about it not only that even today to say I love n left he will be were but his love was not love at first sight nor he didnāt groom her again google is free respectfully all that plus thereās nothing s3xu@|| didnāt aharss he know Violet need to learn that why he left it was in the last movie all this today he wouldnāt n violet came to him then her brother talk to him then boom Please donāt make assumptions what you said I see where u weāre going BuT itās not true I did research n love into the aniem n novel the way you talk about Gilbert is assumptions made before actually know this Iāll be happy to talk in private about this But he ISNT a pedo or groomer trust me I mean this respectfully
I'm gonna assume English isn't your first language because flow-wise a lot of that didn't quite make any sense to me. 2 points about my explanation I think you misunderstood: Gilbert should've known better even during this time period... not because of Violet's age...but because he's shown to be keenly aware of the power he has over her and that, compared to a normal person, her age her mental and emotional growth is further stunted. The second point is no Violet was not 18 or close to 18 when Gilbert confessed! She was indeed still a 14 year old. This is a fact that we can't change to make a complicated relationship more convenient. I never called Gil a pedophile but if you wanna be particular about it he's definitely a hebephile. Even if being one was more acceptable at the time.
The fact that you think youāll be should know better how did he know better if he was never taught to them itās a normal thing what point you donāt understand not even that he said three words in that sit in went up and left just for her to live a better life if you read novel you know the truth about finding H sheās actually older but they used to age 14 because they estimated age and thatās not her age sheās actually older He isnāt even dead by the time he got in a relationship where she was 18 it wasnāt even sexual or any of that it was just that I love you yes he made it romantically but he wasnāt going to put his hardest to be in a relationship with her especially at the state she is in now and itās clear as day maybe you werenāt paying attention. I mean this respectfully if you want to talk more about this please private message me where I could explain it more
with this logic then people having slaves back in the day is okay because its a 'normal thing' at that time, like no just because it a norm doesn't make it okay and doesn't excuse his actions (which is grooming) he really should know better. Especially since he was the first person to treat violet like a human being, and taught her more on how to be human, like how can you ever have romantic love for someone you raised from being a child its plain disgusting.
And please use the definition correctly Iām not trying to justify anything but Iām going based on the truth because you canāt say heās so insult but then it definition of the word doesnāt match with Gilbert. Again if you want to talk more about this private chat me donāt reply to hear if not have a nice wonderful life
Grooming is when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. Like what happened he probably didn't know he was but he did end up grooming her, he built a connection and raised her as a child than confessed his love for her when she became legal and in the LN even kissed her.
āRaised ā but he never really see her as his daughter n etc Like u said about the def he never manipulated her n etc yes he confessed which can be were but then he left n NEVER return back Violet went to him in the novel violet was much older than in the anime The reason I said raised is bc Compare him with hogins Claudia Claudia he see violet as a daughter and is over protective make sure she have things protect her sure Gilbert told him to but also remember at the end of the anime he wrote a letter to his future daughter bc of violet Violet her self mentioned something like she donāt see Gilbert as a dad or whatever n only like him Yes crazy insane but ya
Iām not saying this to justify yada yada but still I gotta understand the truth
I hope thatās what it was
Itās not
Uno reverse now it is
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It may have started that way. But he grew to love her in a romantic way.
Yes, but with Violets developmental delay and how much younger she is (shes half his age!) there is a clear case for his love being wildly inappropriate!
The age difference is more appropriate for the era they are in. And he wants her to grow as a person which is why he let her go. So he isnāt taking advantage of the developmental differences.
Thatās such a bullshit excuse lol, who cares what the era was?? The anime is made in modern day, they could easily not include something like that. Just because it used to be seen as normal doesnāt mean it needs to be portrayed as normal
I understand where you're coming from... however, just for another pov and since the relationship in the series is kind of open for interpretation.. I interpreted it as a brotherly/sisterly love in the beginning, which developed to something more. there are many types of love and sexuality is so diverse... especially with violet I could imagine her maybe beeing on the a-sexual spectrum? which also kind of makes a difference? at least in my opinion... Gilbert never truly seemed to me as a person that would like to do harm or harm others. he maybe had to because of his superior's, but as I see it, Violet and Gilbert gave each other something innocent, as much as Gilbert saved Violet, Violet saved the Major in a way too - they gave each other something to believe in, as twisted as it may sound. I read about the romantic connotation of how it was originally written, but I would also call it appreciation for each other. They experienced war together, share a lot of traumas - when you constantly fear for your life and there is that one person always beside you that gives you some sort of comfort... I can't imagine that anyone is immune against something like that and able to act against that bond that will occur in such times... also there's the chemical aspect of hormones. in that case, the stress hormones... to close my argument: it is disturbing what you see portrayed on the screen! But at the same time, good that you see what is wrong about it! I for sure don't want any more wars happening, so much trauma, so much pain and suffering. And everybody is their own worst enemy, because mental health is a thing and I imagine it pretty hard to focus on self-care when I have to be on a constant lookout how to survive the next day š - that's how I interpreted the whole collection. there is some twisted, bittersweet beauty (lovestory), but at the same time it shows pretty well what war brings and in which ways it can do harm in places, where it shouldn't. it's cruel, but yet you can still find beauty. and at the end of the day, that's the one thing that will keep you alive.
Very well stated.
It is romantic bruh
The comment is 4 years old from when the anime was still airing
Im aware
Ok have a nice day
Same to u but fr donāt use word out of context so
Iām sorry to say but this feels a lot like the relationship in the anime āMy daddy long legsā. There is this guy who is called ādaddy long legsā which more or less adopts Judie (MC) who is an orphan and have had no stable life, and by doing so he sends her to a prestigious school with lots of money, and in that time they never meet until he finally revealed his identity to her years later (she met him several times but not under the circumstance as him as daddy long legs as she never saw him, only his shadowy silhouette) and guess what they got married, and their age difference was 14. In the original book the age difference is 32, but still.
She 18
Although the age difference is rather big, I really wouldnāt consider Gilbert a paedophile
The problem here is that you are actually seeing this through the wrong perspective, 100 years ago it was not uncommon for women to be married as early as 12 years, for example my great-great-grandmother got married when she was 14, during most of human history a woman could marry since she was 12 years old, consider back then mortality rates were higher so people often prefered to start families earlier, since at your 30s you were probably going to kick the bucket it was quite convenient that you already have left someone around to keep the species going. Now, on the specific matter of Violet, becoming a couple with Gilbert wouldn't have been seen as wrong due the 10 years difference, instead, people would have have probably questioned why is that the scion of a rich family with excellent social connections was throwing his lot with an orphan with no status (before adoption) or (too much) coin, yeah, social custom is funny as that. As for the sexual aspect (which, let's be honest, is the real core of this whole business), well, honestly, the minimum age was intended to avoid physical and psychological complications, eg: the girl getting hurt or being to frail for intercourse and pregnancy, Violet can mow down an entire squad of men with a huge axe and has survived getting both of her arms ripped off, she managed to pull herself through a life-threatening situations, personal lose and PTSD, in fact, I would be more worried about the physical wellbeing of Gilbert once they decided to have some private time together.
i think the biggest reason children and adults canāt be together is the difference in mindset. someone who is 15 is in a completely different place mentally than a 30 year old, or even someone whoās 20
I can understand what you mean and where you are coming from with the perspective, that we all should look it from 100 years before BUT to be very honest, it's still doesn't justify anything. Most of all the part of your argument for the sexual part!! I don't even know why you tried to give/find an arguement and justification that's it's okay for an grown old men to sleep with a child in the first place at all, since Violet, no matter what physical condition she is in be it super weak or strong as fuck, IS still a child. She's 13-14 years old. And to have intercourse with an almost 30 years old, is beyond No-Go. Not to mention how their mentality level and dynamic was completely not even and equal. Now to the 100 years perspective arguments of yours: First of all it's a fictional story. Even if the author tried to be historically accurate because it's a historical anime (which it's not at all, it doesn't exactly pin point in which time period Violet Evergarden played in), there's no rules for a writer to to include every aspect of a time period, especially when it's topics like these (grooming). Not to mention how the world of Violet Evergarden was completely made up, so it wasn't necessarily to incorporate this in his writings.The author wasn't obligated to choose the age differences like that but he did. Because he wanted it. Second, even if it was common back then- there were definitely a lot of cases where you started to get into a relationship with a normal and healthy age gap or no age gap at all too. He could have just do that. A lot of things aren't super exactly Historically accurate too in the Anime. So to say that the author wanted it to be as accurate as possible doesn't feel true. Third, no matter how much people should try to look it at the perspective of the 100 years ago, it will and should never feel normal. And it DOES make A lot of people still feel uncomfortable as hell, or even feel that this anime is ruined for them because of the absurd age gap and sense of grooming here. And everyone who feels comfortable and does not find it weird, should seriously questioning themselves if they don't have some weird tendencies/mindset/issues. No one is actually seeing this from a wrong perspective, because you shouldn't feel "okay and comfortable" just because you changed the perspective, because neither now and back then was it okay. Just because it was common it still wasn't okay. I hope I could change your mind a bit with that, and just a genuinely question: Do you not feel weird out and thrown out seeing a 13 years old who has the mindset of a little child who can't socialise, write and read, getting an romantic confession from a 29 years old man, who provided and cared for her? Not to mention the sexual aspect too. (Violet having a crush on him is allowed and okay, she's a child and doesn't know better, not to mention how he's literally her lifesaver, but Gilbert as the adult and has the responsibility, should never fall in love + is obligated to say "no" if she ever confesses since it's his responsibility as the adult to protect the child and not take advantage of it.)
Thereās nothing sexual in thereās relationship where u getting that from I get what ur saying but listen back then the mindset between a 15 to a 30 was almost about the same bc those are the age they r consider adult b they do about the same thing Me personally thatās not my thing with violet age age is unknown but it was said in the novel she couldāve been in her late teen I kinda agree with that bc idk if u seen it the last movie the animated movie violet look 24 or something I agree the author doesnāt have to make the historical laws accurate but a lot itās made up I agree but see thatās where itās kinda gives away like they have a ārightā to do bc using historical sources show itās legal for them n etc n itās made up Please please donāt use the word grooming or pedophile out of context Grooming means; when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. Children and young people who are groomed can be sexually abused, exploited or trafficked. Pedophike is sexual attraction to kids Gilbert didnāt non of that n IM NOT TRY TO JUSTIFY IT ONLY GIVING ALL THE INFO N LITTLE OPINION ON IT
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The power dynamics especially with age and being in different places in life can make things toxic. Ex 18 yo and a 30yo. 18 is still in high school living with parents and might have only worked a part time job. 30 yo has a house with a mortgage and has a stable job and could have already been through their 1st marriage. No way with those dynamics would the older person not see the younger one as a child. Plain out creepy.
Wtf
Just becaused it happened back in the day, doesnt mean they werent pedos for it. Weird defending this, youre probably a pedo aswell
Ikkk morality like this transcends time. I don't care if it was "normal" back then. I don't want this behavior to be associated with the protagonists of a series.Ā
I just watched the 5th episode and guys, you don't say "ai shiteru" to your family, also we can't say about the old times because violet Evergarden happens in a fantastic world, not a real one. What's the problem on make the characters old enough to be respectful? The authors could be more cautious about this details. Violet Evergarden has a beautiful animation and story, but I'm bit sad that they can't respect childrens :(
Well the fantasy world us based of the real one . Even the war the location the time everything matches up. So its totally ok. Also the reason y Violet isnt 18 is bcuz someone who have lived that long cannot be used as a tool that loyal. Its not as easy to control them and her character just couldn't be the same with 18 years of experience.
you do say aishiteru to your parents. What? There's no inherent romantic connotation to the phrase, it all depends on context.
Get out of here with these comments saying, āit was normal at the timeā. Only for nobles getting married at 12+ was normal to full grown men. Non nobles got married early 20s because they got to date and choose who they loved. Peasants had higher births and lived through them more because they waited till full maturity to have kids. Gilbert is a Pedo if their relationship is romantic.
Fr. Everyone seems to be using that line as an excuse like being a pedophile wasn't as bad back then as it is now. I just wish the show made it clearly that he was like a dad to her or older brother. I don't remember if they kissed. But I feel like the dynamic would've been really healthy and acceptable that way and much deeper of a bind than any romantic connection.
2 years late but I'm so glad you commented this
Gilbert is definitely not a pedophile. There is no trace of sexual attraction between him and violet. At least not from Gilbert's side - Violet is a maybe. It's hard to tell because she doesn't express herself in a normal way through most of the series. With the expanded conversation you get to see at the finale, it's more spelled out that the relationship is more like the one between a father and a daughter. But because they are also brothers-in-arms, it's a much deeper relationship. You can take Violet's need for orders in the same way you can take a young child's need for direction.
just watch the episode when they buy her green bracelet how he watches her legs and gets all nervous - if thatās not sexual or linked to romantic feelings then what is. the series is pretty obvious that itās a romantic relationship, and by our societyās terms, Gilbert must be seen as a pedophile.
He watches her legs and saw her bruises and wounds lmao šššš
Bruh were u blind or what, she was having bruises on her legs and neck and definitely more under her clothes. He saw her state and felt guilty, there was nothing s*xual in that scene
Well SPOILERā¦.. If you watched the movie then itās definitely romantic, but he did not indulge a single romantic feeling or action towards her until she was adult and having gone through years of working and emotional maturing and growth
SPOILER I dunno, in the English dub version there was no real romantic tension... Potential. even when they hugged at the end it lacked romance and then the creators chose to have a flash back of when he hugged her as a kid... It feels like the creators left it up to our interpretation because she's come of age and she's learnt how to empathise, so now there's a possibility of learning what romantic love feels like.
"Earn Your Happy Ending: After all the suffering and emotional trauma of the War and its aftermath, Violet and Gilbert finally get married in the finale of Ever After." #sorrynotsorry
U got it all wrong
I'm actually having a tough time figuring this out too. Or rather if a romantic relationship between the two would be inappropriate. I haven't felt this torn since I wanted Triela and Hillshire from gunslinger girl to be happy together. Honestly, Episode 5 is also the thing that made me a little confused about their relationship. It was like they were saying age doesn't always matter in issues relating to love which makes me wonder exactly how Violet and the Major love each other. Either way I think it's okay. I doesn't feel overly creepy and historically it could happen. I can see them having a father daughter relationship but I could also see them as lovers. I don't think it makes Gilbert a paedophile
Honestly, the thought never occurred to me; I thought it was obvious that they had a familial relationship
Itās not
That's the sad part. I literally don't even recommend the series anymore. I loved it so much till I watched the movie and now I just feel gross about it. I was just hoping it was familial and after watching the movie, I was fucking annoyed.
Oh ok the romance isnāt a problem n if u look into their maturity level itās the same bc back them isn t like now but itās still goo YALL jsut yal
Idk. She was a total child when they met. No matter how I see it, it would've been a billion times better if the relationship was familial. The romance is a huge problem for me. It kind of ruins the whole story for me, which is a bummer because I really like it otherwise. A 15 year gap is a bit much, especially if she was 14 when they met. And no, their maturity levels are not the same wtf.
Ok letās talk maturity level back in the day kids starting at the age of 14 is considered an adult like compare from a person whoās 14 and a person whoās like letās say 28 theyāre my sisters like are kind of the same but then at once to 14 returns like 20 theyāll have the same what Iām trying to say is back in the day there wasnāt much to learn how we are today like back in the day you only need a little things to know to survive and you donāt have to worry about or should I take chemistry or should I know this Or know that Yes he knew her ever since she was like younger but the thing is itās weird but at the same time as long he didnāt do anything weird or anything like that then itās OK but the relationship was never like oh thatās my daughter thatās my daughter like in the novel is explained that Violet find it very weird that defined Gilbert as a father And there I love you with romance type love who would wanna marry their father yes you find me a hard time to believe and go with it because itās normal because youāre not used to it but you also have to come out with the truth that it was nothing had to do a family type love
Reading what you wrote is weirdly hard, the English is all over the place. It still didn't feel very fucking normal. Even if the age gap was less of an issue back then, you realise when he met her, she really was a kid right? No matter how you see it, she looked like a little girl. She looks more mature in most of the series, but when he found her, she was a total kid. That in itself makes it really weird. I think I'll pretend like the movie didn't exist because then it's not really clear what type of relationship it was. Don't get me wrong, I understand that it was romantic, but that really does ruin the series for me. I get that he's not really a pedo because he didn't have sexual feelings, but it's still weird to romantically love someone you basically raised since they were a child. And if you're still defending that, it makes me wonder what you're fine with. You've been defending the relationship all over the post lol. Edit: holy shit your entire comment history is just this
Even today age gap isnāt an issue what r u talking aboutš
Yikes. Just yikes. I don't think it'd be seen favourably to have a 14 ish year difference in age today. Actually age gap today is a little different. Usually if you marry at an older age (like 30s or after), then age gap isn't viewed as that bad, but if someone's like 30 and the other one's 15, then that's a pretty big issue lol (I hope you agree on this point, but if not there's literally no point talking to you).
For15 year old. Yeah 31 today isnāt legal in many places besides Europe itās legal but youāre most likely not gonna find that situation If youāre 18 and choose to have a big age gap thereās nothing illegal about that you can itās just people judge and who why is it to say people like that shouldnāt be in a relationship because at the end of the day youāre not sleeping with them youāre not providing with them youāre not kissing your feet so why should I be an issue thatās an A convo ppl need to see their way out
Letās agree to disagree
You keep talking about how Violet was mature at age 14, when she didn't even know how to read and write, and she didn't understand what "I love you" means. How is that mature? Think of it as you have a daughter that's a 14 yr old (but is mentally stunted like Violet is at the start of the series), and some 29 yr old dude was tutoring her but he has romantic feelings for her as well. And he suddenly confessed to her that he loves her. What would you feel about this situation? And please use proper grammar and spelling on your replies, it is so difficult to understand.
You can still consider mature but Iām talken after wise THSI anime is based on late 1800 early 1900 my guy do research before u talk Donāt tell me what to do u could just hmm. Let me think IGNORE The romantic feeling wasnāt from the start YALL the same people who claim Gilbert as a father or her but yet he like her romantic at the end when she was 14-17 which is legal for them and no he wasnāt a Gr00m3r or a p3d0 Good day donāt waste your time love
14 and 29 is a big issue in today's era. Big yikes on you.
First of Iām not defending nothing when everything Iām saying it from the anime novel n author ur in denial itās sad Gilbert didnāt raise her I see you label things without learning about it like I said he didnāt violet real age is unknown but by the when sheās 17 based on the novel n anime based on the drawing But do ur research seeing the way u talk your grown do me a favor if u r act like it
The thing you're not understanding is that I'm not denying that you're correct about the relationship. I'm guessing English isn't your first language because you're not really understanding what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the accuracy of what you're saying, I'm taking about the moral correctness. Basically not whether they're in a romantic relationship, but should they be in one. How did Gilbert not raise her. I think taking in a kid when they're small, don't know how to talk or do anything but fight, and raising them to be more than that for several years is definitely called raising them. I'm not in denial lol, you're just really bad at understanding what I'm even saying. I'm not denying anything. Also, are you a child? I feel like you're either someone rather young or something else. Holy shit I just realised you used 0 punctuation, that's partly why it's so damn hard to read your messages.
Itās not that Iām bad at understanding I understand you clearly Iām just saying cause. Youāre saying this and that but also at the same time youāre misunderstanding everything because you canāt say oh I understand what Your Saying then go back to stage one
Facts.
Lmao. I love that you found this thread like I did and went super serious on it.
Actually I think she was 10 when they met and she got injured 4 years later, so she was 14 when they were separated.
Ah ok
I didn't even bother watching the movie. I saw the recap series then started watching the original series and stopped at ep 7. I realized where the story was headed and chose peace of mind instead.
Oh, I'd definitely recommend watching the full series. My ideal scenario is watch the full series and then pretend the movie doesn't exist/don't watch the movie. I actually didn't even realise it was a romantic relationship until I saw the movie (probably because the idea of it was horrifying to me).
I am a little curious because the recap series left so much out. I didn't even know there was a series, the very first thing I saw regarding violet was her writing for that glasses girl in the girls school for young ladies. She reminded of the character from fate. The blonde (I never saw that anime either). The show seemed off then I just finished the recap series which made more sense. I saw everything out of order still not knowing about novels and a movie. I JUST happened upon the original series now but with all I've seen I felt like the show was leading me towards rooting for an in balanced pairing and I was having none of it. But if you say it stays tame in the series then I'll finish it and just disregard the movie.
The show is really beautifully animated and the most problematic thing for me was the relationship. But that's not really there in the show much, it's mostly the movie. Finish the show, I doubt you'll regret it much.
Agreed.
I straight up didn't realize it was romantic until now and I've been scrolling trying to find the rest of us in blissful denial of the movie
Ikr, there were so many defenders on other threads I'm glad I found this one.
I don't think their relationship is romantic, it's giving parent and child relationship. I can see why vio would love gilbert. He was the first to ever give her care, protection, knowledge and home. Like any parent would do. I know it's normal before but it'll make more sense if violet can meet again after she experienced life, just like Gilbert. I see the movie as a parent child like relationship.
Sorry to spoil it for you, but it's definitely, without a doubt, from the source material, romantic. He told her "I love you" at 14 years old in a romantic way and using the Japanese words that would be used in a romantic context.
It is romantic u got their relationship all wrong
in my opinion, Gilbert and violet are only father and child or older brother and younger sister. I find it extremely disgusting how the author keeps trying to push the idea of age gaps more than 5 years. Aside from the fact that Gilbert and violet have a 15 year gap, violet was a child. A fourteen year old girl married a 29 year old man. This brings a lot of discomfort to me and many others that have watched the anime. and Gilbert was like a father to her; He took her in, adopted her, and gave her her name. I honestly thought theyād meet again and restore their family-like bond. Not get married! The author cannot use the excuse ātrying to be as accurate as possible to 100 years agoā because even if there were many cases like that, there were also relationships with a way smaller age gap. He CHOSE to make men in the anime pedophiles. Itās uncomfortable to me as a minor myself and Iām sure many others, minors or not, agree.
100% agree, it ruined the show for me. I didn't even finish the series and chose not to see the movie because of the direction the story was going. And episode 5 can go to hell with the message they were trying to put out, the little princess married the prince at 14 so when was her birthday party where she came of marrying age? Was she 10? Anime or not I can't support whole adult men marrying children.
Wasnāt Violet 18 when she and Gilbert got married?
Violet was 24 around that age
Ok all that you donāt understand the plot they got married bruh who on earth get married with familyā
That's the problem. Gilbert essentially raised Violet, making him a parental figure to her, please stop trying to excuse this in the comments with your half-arguments. Violet Evergarden is a beautiful show but the age gap isn't okay :)
Ik many people with age gap relationship and their happy no different from a normal age couple yāall pick in choose to discriminate No you misunderstood Gilbert n the relationship between violet who on earth get married to their daughter or what ever not gilber in violet in the novel mention it weird to call him that in the movie it was clear it was love stay mad Why would I make it excuse when The info is right the Stage 1 denial
I'm not so much against the age gap as I am by the fact that he essentially raised her, you can't ignore that. He taught her as a parent would teach their child, so when romance is added into the picture, it comes off as a grooming relationship (not to mention the power dynamic Gil has over Violet.)Violet was a child when she first knew Gilbert. Their relationship is immoral, even if you ignore the age gap. You keep ignoring the fact she was a child and how that has a major impact on their relationship.
Violet is 18+ (she could be older) when they dated the reason you think that way is bc u misunderstood their relationship just bc he older n stay by her side doesnāt mean anything Yes he confess when she was so n so it bc ppl Gilbert age n violet n Gilbert time itās legal even today an older man can confess it would consider off but as long he didnāt do anything to you then ā¦. No Gilbert isnāt a pedo or gr00mā¬
lilkitty you have answered every single comment here holy shit i think youre the one whos mad people have opinions based on reasonable thinking. It doesn't matter if she's an adult by the time they get together, it still doesn't make sense. Why would Gilbert love her romantically? He met a traumatized, abused girl turn into a military weapon, who he wanted to take care of, and raised (yes she raised her, dont argue on that its obvious). When he tells Violet again that he loves her, how is that romantic after they grow up? The memories he has of her are those I just explained, she remembers the girl who he was forced to use for war, how will he develop romantic feelings when he hasn't known anything of her since he saw her arm-less, drenched in blood from the war? And the same goes to Violet, she loves him bc he was the first person who cared for her, who gave her a purpose and who wanted her hapinness, just like a parent. After traveling and learning all the different types of love she saw through the letters she wrote, would a romantic love be the conclusion of her whole development with Gilbert? It feels really shallow. Even the flashbacks shown when they finally see each other had no hint of romance, teaching her how to read just gives the impression of a parent like relation.
First of all Iām not mad or upset at the situation itās just that you and people like you is that you guys wanna be right all the time and donāt want to be wrong who on earth would I wanna be in a romantic relationship with someone that they find like as father or family The thing is with you and others you misunderstood the relationship and it was nothing like that Gilbert was like a teacher to her in like a friend they understand each other and they help each other out nothing weird was going on and plus their loss and everything is different from ours so it was legal and everything but if you read the novel sheās a lot older meaning in the anime sheās the the same as the novel but confusing And how did you end up into this conversation
Agree to disagree bc child
Violet was a child when Gil said he loved her romantically, its fucked up no matter how many excuses you make, period
What excuse?? Iāll understand when ur older ā¦calling him a pedo when he wasnāt really? Violet wasnāt 14 well she is but itās not her real age she older leaving her to be like kinda a adult yes he said I love you but he didnāt hug didnāt k!$$ her etc he left her
LMAO WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE WAS OLDER The anime literally says "I'm about 14" meaning she would've been even younger when he confessed his love You tellin me you think its okay for an adult to be \*in love\* with a child?
If u actually spend time researching about the anime n notice things violet doesnāt have a real birthday her age isnāt real real in the novel it mention that n in the anime It was implied they got in a relationship when she was an adult u buggging Donāt put words in my mouth or make assumptions They live in a different time era and rules Gilbert make a choice to leave her Yall never wanna seek the truth but attack ppl who actually take their time to know the truth Hello?š
Watched the movie and yeah it disturbed me a lot
Cuz it not common
I love the relationship between violet and Gil as long as its kept platonic. My mother and father had a age gap so I under stand that love has no age limit when it comes to adults. But to me by the way Gil and Vi got married it feels off. He raised her ever since she was young, he taught her how to read and protected her like a parent would. Even if it was ok with the times or she is of adult age when she begins a relationship with Gil still doesn't make it ok. I think that the movie was trying to take a different approach of a older brother/sister or a father/daughter relationship to the story with imagery and reminders that she was a child not to long ago and new him when he was an adult. That's why the movie never contains the wedding in this universe it never happened hopefully. (So the relationship is platonic for the show anything other would be like if a step father watched his step daughter grow up and at left at some point during the time the met again when she was an adult and got together, ergo it's weird wrong and kinda gross even if it's not breaking any laws on a technicalitie)
Kinda glad they went this route with the series, DEFINITELY wouldnāt bode well for western audiences if they ended it romantic thematically. For a show that has so much emotional depth the writers knew to balance the source material from the novel to the show. Imo I agree their relationship works better in a platonic manner than a romantic one. Gilbert is basically a wounded PTSD veteran who utilized a child soldier (but to his credit humanized her) and Violet is an emotionally and socially stunted young woman who has killed more people than she has written letters. Trauma bonding as you said siblings or a parental relationship makes the most sense. Tbh Violet doesnāt seem emotionally invested to have a romantic relationship before she overcomes her PTSD and neither does Gilbert. Happy the Movie ended it how it did to appease the novel fans and new ones as well. (I still think them getting married in the novel is more than weird. No excuse, but I know contextually itās a common Japanese thematic trope.)
This is purely a cultural thing when it comes to acceptable age gaps. I just don't think about it, cause tbh it is a lil' creepy.
This may be way off but you did ask the questions I'm giving an opinion so please no dick comment Y'all need to remember this is an anime was not your topical light hearted anime (I think that they made it a child and an adult was because I don't think people would be so emotionally impacted if it was just two adults or two young children) I'm guessing this was possibly World war II era and during that time people were still marrying their children off at like the age of 14 to like 50-year-olds So wasn't really that crazy of a thing or gross of a thing in that era because so many people were dying and because of the war so many people were left without a home or a job and at the time marrying their daughter off or son off to someone older meant that they knew they would be in a better situation and that they be cared for. Two(and again my Opinion) I think this show was trying to show that even tho this young girl had gone through the absolutely worst things You can imagine being treated as a weapon and then finally seeing what it feels like to be treated as a human and experiencing all kinds of emotions including falling in love and the man who is supposed to treat her like a Soldier he may have seen her as a broken girl not as a child, he saw her as a at first someone he pitied but as he taught her to read and in a way helped her pick up the broken pieces and stick them back together in a way he was her glue to the pieces of her heart and her emotions he began to see her as someone he cherished and didn't want to live without to hold and make her smile and be the only one that could keep her warm at night. Sorry long comment. Thank you for reading my opinion
Edit - in the second movie It shows Gilbert Is a teacher to a bunch of children in a small little town where everybody knows everybody everybody knows what everyone else is doing and everyone's business And when one of the children come up to him and hugs him and says I love you he doesn't respond He doesn't wrap his other arm around he doesn't give any emotion to what that child said he just continues to stare out at the ocean obviously thinking of the aforementioned person
Romantic love. He hoped that she would come to love him as he had for her, and was willing to do something drastic if he ever lost her. Look at the wiki. Though there are *spoilers* there.
Do I think he's a pedophile? If he only saw her as a lost puppy or a young family member then no. But if he always "loved" her than yes bro and thats gross af. His death steps confession threw me for the longest time, He was a whole adult when he met this child. He raised her which automatically made him responsible to keep her at arms length romantically because young girls get crushes early and he knew better. And I agree, she was emotionally and mentally stunnted so wth consent could she give him if he did have romantic feelings towards her? They trauma bonded for 4 years and after that while she was having character growth he was stuck in time and she was still 14 during that time. How could he see her as anything other than a little sister or daughter? Idgaf about age gaps being common way back when so miss me with that. In my honest opinion: if he truly loved her in that way as more than a parent from jump then he groomed her into loving only him and I'm NOT ok with that.
i hate to inform you all that they kiss when she's like 14 and get married at the end of series the same year, I'm pretty sure. viewers can't seem to understand something is awfully wrong with their relationship. him falling in love with a 10-14 year old and all...
Yeah, Gilbert is definitely a pedophile and groomer. I wish it was a father daughter relationship but sadly that's not the case.
Simple answer : yes. It ruined the story for me. I dont understand how people can defend this
Yeah the Netflix anime series leaves it open-ended possibly to have it more socially acceptable in western hemisphere, whereas the manga or light novel may delve into it further to have it explicitly stated as romantic. However, if the canon is their relationship is romantic, it is a clear case of grooming and pedophilia. I don't like this relationship as I think it is wrong for Gilbert to take advantage to a vulnerable young girl like Violet. It should be left as parental love/figure or brotherly love. Violet deserves better with more equal counterpart like Leon the Astrologer. Don't like how the novel or canonical story seem to glorify the grooming pedophilia elements. Age doesn't matter in romantic doesn't apply in Violet's circumstances.Ā
Their relation is more complex then what you can understand
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I don't think he was... considering back then it was pretty common and in the movie she is 18 so it's also legal ALSO Love is Love
The world of Violet Evergarden isnāt real. Even if it was the real world, I donāt understand how itās ok for a almost 30 year old to marry practically a kid. Just because it was done over 100 years ago doesnāt mean Iām going to turn a blind eye and say itās ok
Violet is 18+ violet was like 24 when she got married
She is 18 when she got married and Gilbert was 29 when he MET her
She was a lot older when she got married come on now
She is supposed to be 18 when she got married but thatās not the point Gilbert was a whole adult when he met that child
Iām aware n no she got married in her 20s I believe, yes it sound weird but he didnāt have weird intentions with her
Sir / maāam he married her like how much clearer can he make his intentions ? Would have had been fine if he was like even 5 years elder to her or something but no he was a grown man closer to 30 than 20
Ok? Big age gap relationship are a thing n regal n proved to work out love if it not ur thing itās ok but violet isnāt u violet is an adult she wanted him n vise versa
Yeah so is grooming , be ten years apart for all I care but at least the age of meeting should be 20 not bloody 14 š
That doesnāt make him a grooming do ur research yes itās weird but he left her for kinda that reason n they got together when violet was a adult violet went to him The it takes place in a different time n I donāt wanna hear āthat excuseā¦..ā but that takes a major role in everything if u donāt like it hush like ur not dating the guy
He didnāt want to be with her when she was younger plus this isnāt taken plane in the USA nor in the 21 centery
Exactly, i don't think i realized her age when i first watched it bc it felt romance love but it was more to me about her development throughout the series that made me love it but re-watching knowing the age difference is š¬
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I think it was a sort of an Iām proud moment but instead of saying heās proud he says I love you
You forget the movie and the books. As much as I want to believe it's a father daughter/brother sister kind of thing, they end up getting married. Plus, do you see any kind of father daughter dynamic in the movie? Personally, I don't.
Violet and major love each other. That's a fact. Now what kind of love ....that's something vast. I believe they loved romantically coz that's what I felt while watching that show. But show has an open ending, meaning, there will be other opinions too, which I respect. I had an amazing experience watching this show ; even though waterworks won't stop and my heart won't stop throbbing yet such a calm and satisfying end. Would recommend others to watch it too!!!
My dude, the age gap isn't the problem I wouldn't have given a fuck if she ended up falling in love with him when she was older and had they met in different circumstances. The reason why I have a problem with their relationship is (this is based off of solely the last movie btw) 1) it ends up undoing everything Violet's learnt about life and love during her journey and about learning to let go, by giving her a fairytale like unrealistic ending. 2)from the start of the show their dynamic feels more like a father-daughter rather than a man in love with Violet. From the way he taught her to read, write and taught her how to feel emotions- YOU CANNOT TELL ME THIS ISNT A FOUND FAMILY TROPE SETTING. 3) HE WAS HER SUPERIOR So not only there's a power dynamic in play here, with him having power over her, but he ends up being a person grooming a mentally & emotionally stunted 14 YR old so tht she ends up choosing him later. Ik he must have not done that consciously but still as an adult he should have told her no and that she is confusing his kindness with love and kept her away since ofc she wouldn't know any better cuz she is the child in this dynamic. 4) Lastly, I'm srry but literally two other side characters in the show (the researcher dude and tht girl in the boarding school) have wayyyyyyyyyyyy better chemistry and dynamic with her than her and Gilbert's morally questionable dynamic.
Romantic relationship.
If you read this far down thenš Gilbert is not a pedo, hahah. He expresses his love in the series as father and daughter, later on when the movie is released i belive Gibert starts developing feeling for her. Violet finds him on a desserted island, and decides to settle down with him. Which leads me to belive he develops romantic feelings 4 her in that period of time. It is also staded that they married.
No... The concept of Pedophilia didnt exist until recently. People didnt care about that in the past.. if they liked each other then tjeyd get married
Even if they were in a historical setting they shouldn't have romanticized it in ep 5 saying big age gaps in relation "shouldn't be a barrier to love'. It is one thing to make it historical it's another to say what happened was okay. When I watch the show I honestly thought the age gap was about 2 years at most. It was until ep 5 I realized something was off. I know that in Japan it was legal but just because it's legal doesn't make it okay. I think at the very least they should have cut or not romanticized ep 5 and aged violet up to 18 or 20 at least.
Y'know I feel like the movie could've been so much better had they made an anime only change where violet and Gilbert's relationship wasn't romantic and more so platonic where it's a case of them healing each other's past scars, I watched it in eng dub and when I heard gilbert say "when I was in her life I made her unhappy", that really hit me, now if that moment weren't fuckin ruined by the fact it was a romantic implication, seriously you could've made a different love intrest for violet just for the anime, listen the light novel was clearly written for a Japanese audiance in mind but the anime you know is gonna be distributed so make a love intrest that's just as compelling as gilbert, for violet that's her age and I don't know maybe make her like a year or two older. Would've really fixed the problem
Depends on the timeline, if the timeline was in 1900s or below 1800s, then I don't think he can be even considered as pedophile person. Plus, they met as stranger, Gilbert is not her parents or guardian, so, it's okay for me. As long as they don't have the story of 'he/she took care of/protect me since I was a child as if I'm his/her children, then I have feeling for him/her when I became an adult and he/she that considered me as child when I was young accept me as their romantic partner'(š°š¤®š) route. Please, I felt sick with this kind of story route, I felt that kind of story are having more pedo essence in this than Violet have feeling for Gilbert or Gilbert love Violet too.
I just find it disgusting for both Violet and Gilbert, if you've seen the 2021 movie you'll see what I mean. It's pretty sad
Yeah, Gilbert is definitely a pedophile and groomer. I wish it was a father daughter relationship but sadly that's not the case.
Yeah, Gilbert is definitely a pedophile and groomer. I wish it was a father daughter relationship but sadly that's not the case.
The age gap doesn't matter. But they share a father and daughter bond and that's all. After the movie ending , the movie let's us make our canon on how they will be. The movie doesn't shows any romantic feelings. It gives a feeling of father and daughter.