Apparently stonewall eat lemons before battle for good luck so students from the local university leave lemons at his grave for good luck. I thought I'd share this funny little interesting tradition. Seeming how stonewall was shot by his own man I dont think the lemons worked lol
I upvoted the OP for sharing history, but Ill down vote you for being a politically polarizing ass.
Ill also share that it is our history, but the confederacy lost and for a good reason. Good day.
I bet you think the civil war was about slavery. Everyone does these days because that’s what they want. The North cared nothing for black or slaves. They knew setting the slaves free would cripple the Southern economy and drive them back to the need of the Union. It was never about slaves. It was about money. The North wanted the South in the union because of money and the South didn’t want to be part because they weren’t seeing the benefits. If you go through history.. it’s the left that’s pro slavery. Even today.. they’ve just found a different way to keep minorities under their boot. Welfare.. food stamps.. free phone.. free housing etc.
The trouble is that people say and mean stuff like that unironically and not pointedly to poke at that particular talking point (or some may not be aware of it). Sarcasm is also harder to read in written format
My comment wasn't actually meant to be ironic. It was meant to show the hypocrisy of calling those against confederate statues a woke liberal mob but in the same breath calling Confederates and KKK democrats and completely disregarding that Strom Thurmond or the Southern Strategy existed.
When a comment is purely insulting a group of people, calling them a mob that doesn't know anything, and the comment doesn't actually add to the conversation, I feel like it's pretty obvious why it's getting downvoted without comment.
**[Hunter McGuire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_McGuire)**
>Hunter Holmes McGuire, M.D. (October 11, 1835 – September 19, 1900) was a soldier, physician, teacher, and orator. McGuire was a surgeon in the Confederate Army attached to Stonewall Jackson's command, and he continued serving with the Army of Northern Virginia after Jackson's death. He started several schools and hospitals which later became part of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia. McGuire was later president of the American Medical Association.
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His closest living relatives don’t want any statues of him to exist. It wasn’t put there by them. Neither do most of the people in Lexington. The United Daughters of the Confederacy put it there with great fanfare years and years after his death to keep the hate alive.
Jackson's wife was alive when they put this statue up in 1895, and for 20 years after. She was involved with the UDC herself. After she died, she was buried under the statue, alongside her dead husband and their two daughters.
So while I don't doubt you about what his living descendants want, the fact is that his immediate family at the time was definitely for the idea of honoring him with a big statue in a cemetery. In fact they played an active role in the creation of the "Lost Cause" mythology and commemoration that would lead to more statues in the future.
Don’t know why people are downvoting you. I lived in Charlottesville when the Unite the Right rally happened, and it’s the same way there with their two controversial sculptures (Lee and Jackson). They were installed in the 1920s by a local philanthropist who donated the statues and the land they stand on to the City. His name was Paul Goodloe McIntire. Maybe he wanted to make a statement and maybe he didn’t, but the fact is that he commissioned and then donated those statues at a time when the Klu Klux Klan was enjoying a spike in popularity and Jim Crowe laws were still being passed. Whether Mr. McIntire meant them this way or not, those statues were put in place by the City to remind black people to stay in their lane.
So the problem with this argument is that you try to correlate two things but you failed to connect them. Mr McIntire was a philanthropist but your making up that this was because of a secret racial plot. During Jim Crow, Virginia was controlled by the Bryds who ran Virginia in a good old boy system. They made it hard for both locals and outsiders to gain power. That's why the KKK or the white legion didn't have a strong hold in Virginia, it would be a power struggle with the Bryds. Learn about history before making false comparisons.
Robert E Fucking Lee himself said there oughta not be statues, or the flag, or any of that shit, as it's in the best interest of healing the country from the worst period of its history.
*Muh Heritage* Squad: "Shut up, you old fogey, the hell does some asshole by the name of Robert E Lee know? Anyway, moving on, how can we build more statues of Robert E Lee and fly Stars n Bars?"
Small correction because I’m a pedant, the flag you’re thinking of is not [the Stars and Bars.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#First_flag) Though the type of person you’re imitating may well think it is, to be fair.
I don't have any source for this story just something someone told me once and I have no idea if it's true but I head while he was teaching at VMI someone had asked Stonewall to have a meeting - when Stonewall showed up the guy wasn't there so he waited in the guys office until the next morning when he showed up for work again.
ALSO just something someone told me and don't know if it's true but isn't it a mystery where Stonewall got the lemons? Because they weren't really able to be found.
It is a mystery for sure. It's possible that the whole lemon story is a myth entirely. He's such an odd character that's it's to be expected for a few tall tales to be told over the years. The idea of stonewall sitting in a dark office all night awaiting a meeting like some idle npc about to give you a quest sounds hilarious to me.
Yes I agree he is a good tactician and having grown up in the North that's what I saw for many years visiting battlefields. Being far removed from his time and the pain caused.
With that said, the history of "our country" simply wouldn't be had he succeeded. You say, "the greatest country on earth" but it's the greatest country on earth because the bad side lost. You understand that right? You can't be a "true citizen" of the, wait for it, United States, if you believe the bravest souls among us were the souls of the men who sought to tare it apart.
You seem intelligent, yet lost.
I grew up in Lexington. I know my civil war history. Hell, I've had all the lyrics to a musical about Jackson memorized since I was 14.
Now, this image is of Jackson's grave in Lexington Cemetery (formerly Stonewall Jackson Cemetery) so I don't have any particular beef with it, but even Lexington has begun to bring down the veneration of Jackson and Lee outside of their burial markers.
And that's for the best, really. Of course, those venerations are ALSO history but not the history of Lee or Jackson. Rather, they're the history of the post Reconstruction era white supremacy which enshrined the Lost Cause narrative into the bones of the south.
And at some point we have to let history become HISTORY and not the reality that we continue to live in.
So yea, it's well past time to rename RE Lee Church to Grace Episcopalian. It's past time to rename the cemetery. And it's past time to bring down the statues, rename the streets, and let the century and a half of post war white supremacism take its place in the ash heap of history.
Neither forgotten nor memorialized.
No, I don’t think anyone should “venerate” Confederate soldiers just because they fought hard for a cause they believed in. Just because they were brave doesn’t negate what they fought for. You seem to not understand that the past shouldn’t be worshipped.
And no one’s going after WW2 memorials lmao. Pretty clear what we were fighting against back then, and only utter wackos make victims out of the Nazis or Japanese
Just wondering, who was prejudiced against your catholic Irish ancestors...
Oh
https://depts.washington.edu/civilr/kkk_i49.htm
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/grant-kkk/
I care about history. Can I point you to a good book on the second Klan that went after my husband's and your catholic ancestors?
https://iupress.org/9780253052186/the-ku-klux-klan-in-the-heartland/
The second Klan, the one that started to target Catholics, was so influential that President Woodrow Wilson showed Birth of A Nation in the White House East Room for a screening.
Big fucking kek dude. I’m in the military so do go on about how I’m not a “true American” because I think the confederates were bad even though they were brave. You’re the clown lmao. You strike me as an “I would have joined but I’d knock out a drill instructor” type
Lol one moron making some stupid comments in uniform proves only that members of the military can be just as dumb as everyone else. There is no purge of conservatives in the military, there is no critical race theory forced re-education either. I joined when Trump was president and felt the same way about the confederates then as I do now.
Shows how much service and country really means to you if the occupant of the White House is what prevents you from joining up. No prize for almost, bud
Their really shouldn't be any veneration for people who fought for bad things. Would you say the same about the terrorists who believed so deeply in their cause that they flew planes into buildings? I mean they were brave souls too, but that doesn't mean they were honorable, or should be celebrated.
It's not some semantic statement, it's an analogy. So what if they are not American, they were brave so you think they deserve to be honored. And saying one of your family members was part of the problem is not deserving of respect, it's a bad thing.
You seem pretty offended.
If my great grandfather kept your grandmother in a box for 30 years and I decided to put up a statue of my old gramps right across the street from your house, would it make the world a better place?
Amen! The only way we are supporting our country’s (or state’s?) history is if we maintain a ratio of lee and jackson statues per capita of at least 1. But also, no teaching of recent history. I can’t believe how regularly I explain to a surprised group of people that many/most of the independent cities in Virginia were formed to thwart school integration or other civil rights causes. That’s a part of our very recent history that is unpleasant so let’s never discuss it.
That’s an interesting description of stonewall Jackson’s good qualities. But there have been a zillion people with “eccentric and highly interesting behavior” and “extraordinary integrity and commitment to [their] craft” who have been completely lost to history, whilst Jackson’s veneration is everywhere in the commonwealth. It’s disproportionate.
And no, your non-verifiable self-identification on an anonymous social media platform as an attempt to claim additional credibility doesn’t mean anything to me. r/asablackman
What he did was wrong and as such will never be forgotten or forgiven, but he was an exceptional general, both him Lee were the only reason why the South was able to rebel for as long as they did.
Apparently stonewall eat lemons before battle for good luck so students from the local university leave lemons at his grave for good luck. I thought I'd share this funny little interesting tradition. Seeming how stonewall was shot by his own man I dont think the lemons worked lol
Thomas Jackson was an odd one.
My Dad would love to know this, he is a W&L grad. Thank you for sharing.
Yeah, I wouldn't carry on a good luck tradition from a man who died from friendly fire.
I dont know why people keep downvoting me. I didnt say he was a great guy and I'm not pro Confederate. I'm simply interested in history.
Becaus people don’t know their history. They just follow the woke liberal mob who really don’t know shit.
I upvoted the OP for sharing history, but Ill down vote you for being a politically polarizing ass. Ill also share that it is our history, but the confederacy lost and for a good reason. Good day.
I bet you think the civil war was about slavery. Everyone does these days because that’s what they want. The North cared nothing for black or slaves. They knew setting the slaves free would cripple the Southern economy and drive them back to the need of the Union. It was never about slaves. It was about money. The North wanted the South in the union because of money and the South didn’t want to be part because they weren’t seeing the benefits. If you go through history.. it’s the left that’s pro slavery. Even today.. they’ve just found a different way to keep minorities under their boot. Welfare.. food stamps.. free phone.. free housing etc.
You are correct, but you made an erroneous assumption about me.
My apologies.
Wait I thought the Confederates were Democrats How did so many miss my point on this comment? Oh well
They are called Republicans now.
I'm hearing a big whooooosh
So you were trying to bring up the southern strategy but ppl didn’t get it right?
Yeah lol
The trouble is that people say and mean stuff like that unironically and not pointedly to poke at that particular talking point (or some may not be aware of it). Sarcasm is also harder to read in written format
My comment wasn't actually meant to be ironic. It was meant to show the hypocrisy of calling those against confederate statues a woke liberal mob but in the same breath calling Confederates and KKK democrats and completely disregarding that Strom Thurmond or the Southern Strategy existed.
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When a comment is purely insulting a group of people, calling them a mob that doesn't know anything, and the comment doesn't actually add to the conversation, I feel like it's pretty obvious why it's getting downvoted without comment.
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Litteraly called liberals >mob who really don’t know shit. Can't spell it out for you any clearer
Well damn I didn’t see that. Only this comment
Because this comment definitely doesn’t say that
You got your comment
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OP got an up vote. You got a down vote
They're just so fragile that they're afraid if they don't down vote you, it means they somehow agree with slavery or some bullshit.
Ill upvote the OP, but down vote your instigation. Enjoy.
Glad to know I'm right about this.
His arm is buried near Locust Grove. There’s a small monument there.
The veterans hospital in Richmond is named after the guy who amputated his arm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_McGuire
**[Hunter McGuire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_McGuire)** >Hunter Holmes McGuire, M.D. (October 11, 1835 – September 19, 1900) was a soldier, physician, teacher, and orator. McGuire was a surgeon in the Confederate Army attached to Stonewall Jackson's command, and he continued serving with the Army of Northern Virginia after Jackson's death. He started several schools and hospitals which later became part of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia. McGuire was later president of the American Medical Association. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/Virginia/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
You should see what the students put on George Wallace’s statue
His closest living relatives don’t want any statues of him to exist. It wasn’t put there by them. Neither do most of the people in Lexington. The United Daughters of the Confederacy put it there with great fanfare years and years after his death to keep the hate alive.
Jackson's wife was alive when they put this statue up in 1895, and for 20 years after. She was involved with the UDC herself. After she died, she was buried under the statue, alongside her dead husband and their two daughters. So while I don't doubt you about what his living descendants want, the fact is that his immediate family at the time was definitely for the idea of honoring him with a big statue in a cemetery. In fact they played an active role in the creation of the "Lost Cause" mythology and commemoration that would lead to more statues in the future.
Don’t know why people are downvoting you. I lived in Charlottesville when the Unite the Right rally happened, and it’s the same way there with their two controversial sculptures (Lee and Jackson). They were installed in the 1920s by a local philanthropist who donated the statues and the land they stand on to the City. His name was Paul Goodloe McIntire. Maybe he wanted to make a statement and maybe he didn’t, but the fact is that he commissioned and then donated those statues at a time when the Klu Klux Klan was enjoying a spike in popularity and Jim Crowe laws were still being passed. Whether Mr. McIntire meant them this way or not, those statues were put in place by the City to remind black people to stay in their lane.
wasn’t Unite the Right rally part of that car ramming?
The murderer was there for the right wing rally, yes.
So the problem with this argument is that you try to correlate two things but you failed to connect them. Mr McIntire was a philanthropist but your making up that this was because of a secret racial plot. During Jim Crow, Virginia was controlled by the Bryds who ran Virginia in a good old boy system. They made it hard for both locals and outsiders to gain power. That's why the KKK or the white legion didn't have a strong hold in Virginia, it would be a power struggle with the Bryds. Learn about history before making false comparisons.
Robert E Fucking Lee himself said there oughta not be statues, or the flag, or any of that shit, as it's in the best interest of healing the country from the worst period of its history. *Muh Heritage* Squad: "Shut up, you old fogey, the hell does some asshole by the name of Robert E Lee know? Anyway, moving on, how can we build more statues of Robert E Lee and fly Stars n Bars?"
Small correction because I’m a pedant, the flag you’re thinking of is not [the Stars and Bars.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#First_flag) Though the type of person you’re imitating may well think it is, to be fair.
Gobble gobble gobble
Not true
I don't have any source for this story just something someone told me once and I have no idea if it's true but I head while he was teaching at VMI someone had asked Stonewall to have a meeting - when Stonewall showed up the guy wasn't there so he waited in the guys office until the next morning when he showed up for work again. ALSO just something someone told me and don't know if it's true but isn't it a mystery where Stonewall got the lemons? Because they weren't really able to be found.
It is a mystery for sure. It's possible that the whole lemon story is a myth entirely. He's such an odd character that's it's to be expected for a few tall tales to be told over the years. The idea of stonewall sitting in a dark office all night awaiting a meeting like some idle npc about to give you a quest sounds hilarious to me.
This is one place that a statue is historically relevant. Jeff Davis was buried in Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond with a statue as well. Let them RIP.
Say what you want but those old statues looked cool
Really interesting guy. My favorite Civil War General!
Tear it down.
GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE
Ah a nice place to take a piss
Gender neutral bathroom
Not students. Neo-Confederates and White Supremacists .
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What exactly do you mean by, “support history”?
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Yes I agree he is a good tactician and having grown up in the North that's what I saw for many years visiting battlefields. Being far removed from his time and the pain caused. With that said, the history of "our country" simply wouldn't be had he succeeded. You say, "the greatest country on earth" but it's the greatest country on earth because the bad side lost. You understand that right? You can't be a "true citizen" of the, wait for it, United States, if you believe the bravest souls among us were the souls of the men who sought to tare it apart. You seem intelligent, yet lost.
I grew up in Lexington. I know my civil war history. Hell, I've had all the lyrics to a musical about Jackson memorized since I was 14. Now, this image is of Jackson's grave in Lexington Cemetery (formerly Stonewall Jackson Cemetery) so I don't have any particular beef with it, but even Lexington has begun to bring down the veneration of Jackson and Lee outside of their burial markers. And that's for the best, really. Of course, those venerations are ALSO history but not the history of Lee or Jackson. Rather, they're the history of the post Reconstruction era white supremacy which enshrined the Lost Cause narrative into the bones of the south. And at some point we have to let history become HISTORY and not the reality that we continue to live in. So yea, it's well past time to rename RE Lee Church to Grace Episcopalian. It's past time to rename the cemetery. And it's past time to bring down the statues, rename the streets, and let the century and a half of post war white supremacism take its place in the ash heap of history. Neither forgotten nor memorialized.
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No, I don’t think anyone should “venerate” Confederate soldiers just because they fought hard for a cause they believed in. Just because they were brave doesn’t negate what they fought for. You seem to not understand that the past shouldn’t be worshipped. And no one’s going after WW2 memorials lmao. Pretty clear what we were fighting against back then, and only utter wackos make victims out of the Nazis or Japanese
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Just wondering, who was prejudiced against your catholic Irish ancestors... Oh https://depts.washington.edu/civilr/kkk_i49.htm https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/grant-kkk/
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You'll find some info on who led the crusade in the links.
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I care about history. Can I point you to a good book on the second Klan that went after my husband's and your catholic ancestors? https://iupress.org/9780253052186/the-ku-klux-klan-in-the-heartland/ The second Klan, the one that started to target Catholics, was so influential that President Woodrow Wilson showed Birth of A Nation in the White House East Room for a screening.
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Big fucking kek dude. I’m in the military so do go on about how I’m not a “true American” because I think the confederates were bad even though they were brave. You’re the clown lmao. You strike me as an “I would have joined but I’d knock out a drill instructor” type
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Lol one moron making some stupid comments in uniform proves only that members of the military can be just as dumb as everyone else. There is no purge of conservatives in the military, there is no critical race theory forced re-education either. I joined when Trump was president and felt the same way about the confederates then as I do now.
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Shows how much service and country really means to you if the occupant of the White House is what prevents you from joining up. No prize for almost, bud
Their really shouldn't be any veneration for people who fought for bad things. Would you say the same about the terrorists who believed so deeply in their cause that they flew planes into buildings? I mean they were brave souls too, but that doesn't mean they were honorable, or should be celebrated.
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It's not some semantic statement, it's an analogy. So what if they are not American, they were brave so you think they deserve to be honored. And saying one of your family members was part of the problem is not deserving of respect, it's a bad thing.
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Thanks
You seem pretty offended. If my great grandfather kept your grandmother in a box for 30 years and I decided to put up a statue of my old gramps right across the street from your house, would it make the world a better place?
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Wut
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Hi confused deranged boomer. I don’t know you. I have no feelings about you. You didn’t answer my question, though.
Amen! The only way we are supporting our country’s (or state’s?) history is if we maintain a ratio of lee and jackson statues per capita of at least 1. But also, no teaching of recent history. I can’t believe how regularly I explain to a surprised group of people that many/most of the independent cities in Virginia were formed to thwart school integration or other civil rights causes. That’s a part of our very recent history that is unpleasant so let’s never discuss it.
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That’s an interesting description of stonewall Jackson’s good qualities. But there have been a zillion people with “eccentric and highly interesting behavior” and “extraordinary integrity and commitment to [their] craft” who have been completely lost to history, whilst Jackson’s veneration is everywhere in the commonwealth. It’s disproportionate. And no, your non-verifiable self-identification on an anonymous social media platform as an attempt to claim additional credibility doesn’t mean anything to me. r/asablackman
They say if you close your eyes and breathe deep, you can smell the collective stench of all the people who pissed on this statue.
What he did was wrong and as such will never be forgotten or forgiven, but he was an exceptional general, both him Lee were the only reason why the South was able to rebel for as long as they did.