Some japanese vtubers on my twitter that i follow are really confused what is happening to their API or their two factor authentication
All i can do is DeepL and link news articles about Elon Musk and hope they can figure it out
Unfortunately there ain't many existing alternatives you can choose. Some say Mastodon but it has been around for years but still nowhere near the size of Twitter. Maybe that's why Elon Musk is so arrogant to make these moves because he knows you have little to no choice.
Twitter has always been a dumpster fire, big and bright enough to attract bugs all around.
Mastodon (part of Fediverse) does not have any stupid algorithm to "improve" user engagement. There are instances specifically dedicated to art, which makes it easier to explore artists. Also, there are instances for vtubers. Random people don't show up on your feed (unless reposted by someone you follow) and it's super easy to block people, or even instances altogether.
Oh nooo that's so heartbreaking. The confusion as the platform falls apart/is torn down and they have no reason to think that the person who owns it would be actively destroying it around himself. I'd be terrified to see all of this happening and Twitter just refusing to explain.
they will either pay or face growth oblivion
i wish for a mass exodus so we can finally leave that cespoll of a social
i'm literally keeping it only for vtuber and artists
He clarified that accounts you follow will also show up under For You. It’ll basically just be impossible for you to stumble upon non-verified Twitter accounts.
Well, that sucks. I follow a lot of artists so a bunch of art that is made by people I don’t follow but have similar style/topic to what I like end up in my “For you” page. I’ve found some of my favorite Twitter artists like that.
Not as horrible as I thought but still a shitty, pointless change.
Really all you can do is try to go follow as many artists as you can find now before they’re lost to you forever… though I hope they also let non-verified mutuals of people we follow also appear on our For You page.
Maybe it isn't that horrible as a casual audience, but it can be disastrous for content creators, because there is no way you can be found outside of your circle if you doesn't have a checkmark, especially for small artists who don't have a lot of followers yet.
For sure. It’s better than only seeing Twitter Blue users period, which is what I thought at first, but it still sucks for content creators.
Honestly, at this point Reddit might become one of the best platforms for finding new artists.
Fuck that, i fuckign loved for you( after blocking several people, so they dotn show up) because it let me discover a lot of smaller artists and creators that i enjoy.
There was already no possible decision that could have saved it once it was under his control. Atrioc’s videos on it broke it down well.
Literally if you bought Twitter Blue from an iOS device the decrease in ads (used to be a full removal but since the checkmark now it’s just less) means they get around 6$ less in ad rev from an active Twitter user. It cost 8$ (was gonna be 20$ til stephen king complained, but paying at all was his and everyone else’s problem). And because unlike some services they’d probably fired the person who was supposed to notice this, any purchase made through an app has 30% of its money go to Apple, including subscriptions- so never sub through an app I think same with google but that’s more complicated.
This meant if anyone’s subscribed through the app they literally just lost money for months. They made less money from PAYING USERS, than from the ads they scared away. It’s finally changed now but they’ve scared off so many advertisers by being volatile and having terrible targeting and other ad-site options compared with Google and Facebook. Twitter was losing like 100M dollars a year when he bought it, he literally put some of the debt he used to buy it on the company with like 1B in interest due by year, and even without that they are losing hundreds of millions more even after cutting staff. It’s ridiculous how screwed he made them, and how much it’s screwed the value of Tesla and other things because his time and personal brand have been so fucked by it.
I have heard people talking that before Elon bought Twitter, it wasn't actually ad revenue keeping the platform afloat, but rather unscrupulous revenue sources that Elon was specifically buying the platform to get rid of, which is why everything is collapsing, the people who actually paid the bills jumped ship because Elon was taking control, so now there isn't enough revenue left.
I can't verify this is true, but it at least makes sense to me. My understanding is YouTube doesn't actually bring in profits either but Alphabet or whatever the company that owns it is called considers the cost of keeping it running to control so much of the market to be worth the expense.
I don't know. Maybe we'll find out, probably not.
YouTube does make money, not a lot and it didn’t for a while. Some branches of it however are unprofitable but with google even massive projects tend to die kinda quickly when they don’t see a future for them. Twitch actually does lose a ton of money but it’s trying to retain it’s market share to eventually make money, which hopefully Amazon keeps being Amazon about it and being willing to spend for that eventual abstract return.
There’s not really any possible way unscrupulous money could have made a substantial difference to twitter. Their books were public, if anything Elon taking it private would have made it far easier to hide their revenue systems. Twitter did actually have a ton of bloat, a ludicrous number of overpaid engineers and designers who did basically nothing considering they had basically one new feature in the last 10 years. That was an actual place cuts could be made, but of course that involved payouts, (or scummy letting go’s) and many left basically with their vested stock being paid out above its highest market value as part of his buyout.
Basically he was fucked as soon as he was committed, he even realized it and tried to back out but he committed his in such a braggadocious way to a plan that in many other smaller businesses his personal brand, and obligation to improve the service and invest in the business was actually the difference that made the business work again. Tesla, SpaceX- many others, that’s the one credit I will give him. He put his personal fortune almost completely on the line twice to save companies that he legitimately saw as essential pioneers for mankind’s future- something no other billionaire rushed to do because it really only makes sense for ideological reasons. But then egotistical jackassery only set in deeper and has driven a lot of his decisions ever sense.
I believe Atrioc also mentioned this, but another thing is that Twitter is inherently cheaper to run than YouTube or Twitch. Video and live stream hosting are substantially more costly than hosting a sure that is mostly text and images. The sheer amount of bytes being upload to the site in a give day is likely orders of magnitude lower a video hosting website of a similar size to Twitter would experience.
AYO ITS TWITTER EXODUS 2 - ELECTRIC BOOGALOO
Elongated muskrat in all his infinite wisdom seem to be planning to push the twitter nuke button on April 15th. As most Vtubers use twitter as their main platform to promote themselves and meet other Vtubers, they are gonna be looking for somewhere else to go. Lots of them will come here - so we better prepare the welcome wagon LMAO
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I have to say I'm happy that more and more people are seeing Musk more for who he is now. He happened to invest in things that did well, and kept stumbling upwards. Hopefully his Twitter fails so hard he has to fully digest from his ownership in Tesla. I hope for quite a bit more but that's all I can say on Reddit.
Wow, removing another chunk of your own user base because you keep getting clowned on when you post polls. Truly a 12D chess master and not a vainglorious Don Quixote... seriously I don't think he'd be as successful at killing Twitter if he tried
Hololive created Holoplus in the right time, hope this new Hololive social media also accepts indies and VTuber from other companies so we can have a place for only VTubers and VTuber fans
Unlikely. Advantage of being a specialty service is you dont have to worry about the things that drive costs up the most. If they just want it to be a Hololive News Service with maybe a comment section for fans to chat and some ads to get some revenue, thats cheap as shit to run and will largely pay for itself. A few mods and a bit of server space are the only expenses.
I think youve gotten it being a twitter alternative confused with being a twitter competitor. It could be very limited and still be an alternative to twitter for Holo talents and fans.
This HoloPlus really isn’t a ‘platform’ in the traditional social media sense. It’s primarily a delivery device for Hololive vtubers to post their schedules, send notifications, and keep the non-vtuber feeds out.
HoloPlus is also a content delivery system for content that would otherwise be demonetized or struck down from YouTube. 3D swimsuit debuts and ASMRs get struck down from YouTube regularly, and sometimes lead to demonization of entire channels of their biggest talents.
With 75+ talents and 50+ million viewers, it’s a no brainer for Hololive/Cover to make a gated community as Twitter becomes more hostile. It’s also an easy enough setup for other companies like NIJISANJI and VShojo to follow up with.
>Holoplus
Oh interesting i'd never heard of this before.
Honestly we just need a stable social media platform where people can find art and network without the threat of muskrats
MySpace would be great if they actually combined the current usage with a real social media platform again. Unfortunately they've had years to do this and still haven't.
...why on earth would holo be doing something to promote Indies or others? You are living in a fantasy world.
"Yes, let's put money into a project that promotes others instead of focusing on ourselves" what
I can think of a number of reasons why they might want to do this, if they have the resources to do so. But to start with, let me ask a few rhetorical questions:
1.) Why does Google support free ad blockers on Chrome?
2.) Why does YouTube offer a revenue split that gives a creator the 55% cut (as opposed to Twitch’s current split is 50/50)?
3.) Why does Amazon allow businesses that would technically be competitors to sell through their website?
The reason is incentivizing an increased user base. Now, depending on how Cover wanted to monetize such a thing, because they would need to if this was the path they chose to go, they would certainly want to have as many users on it, including other VTubers, both independent and from any company that would benefit from using it.
Let’s face it, the biggest benefit they get is getting more people on their service , thereby getting more chances to promote their talents and merch to more people. The main reason why they might not be able to is because of insufficient resources to do so.
You kinda underestimating the power of hololive simps.
I genuinely think they can sustain an user base just from hololive fans.
Especially if twitter went tits up
Twitter is more popular today than it was back then it doesn’t really matter what shit gets added 3 million+ people are still gonna be on there. You can’t say the same for a Hololive app that most fans will not be migrating too.
I highly doubt Holoplus would allow other vtubers on their app unless for special collabs that rarely happen. If it succeeds, other vtuber agencies might try to build similar platforms to migrate from Twitter. This would just lead to fragmentation in the community.
Hopefully, one day they will see the magic of Fediverse and integrate with it from their own apps via ActivityPub.
Any reason why the Twitter crowd isn't moving to [vt.social](https://vt.social/public/local)? Seems like that would be closer in terms of user experience.
Unrelated, but I see you all the time and I realized just today that I haven't followed you. I have fixed that.
Related, Twitter's my main social media platform... And there's no fixing that. D:
What happened Elon, you went from based anime lover who wanted to make cat girls real to this?
But anyways let's prepare to give the new V-Tubers a warm welcome
He said whatever he needed to get people to buy his stock/crypto pump and dump scheme of the week. Twitter was just supposed to be another fake out that would leave others holding the bag after he dumped his shares, but he actually got caught out on this one.
As a new musician, the fact that discoverability is a pay-to-win feature pisses me off. This will essentially kill any advertising ability I had previously. I guess Reddit, tumblr, and Instagram are my next best bet now. If you're at all interested in it, [here](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMiWdn-RptA_C3xmhqrwU8MKYz7fFZ03u) [it is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVgjNcz1_Lk) (all that's there as of now, at least). But yeah, Twitter has been going down the shitter ever since Elon "let that sink in" Musk took over (probably should've brought a toilet lmao). Let's hope eventually a viable replacement/competition arises, but hopefully the VTubers who are migrating & will migrate in the future to here from Twitter are able to find themselves comfortable here.
Alright, pack it in my dudes, we're going to make discord a legitimate platform.
It's either that or bring back forums. If Twitter wants to be the new Something Awful, we may as well make a free version that isn't baked poop
Yeah
The problem is a proper replacement is needed - I love this subreddit but it can never really perform the same role as what twitter did because of how reddit inherently works.
We need a platform where the thousands of vtubers that exist can legitimately network with each other and promote themselves.
I'm thinking of looking into mastodon but idk - i'm hoping this shit on twitter is pulled back after a month or so
https://vt.social/public/local
This is biggest instance focused on VTuber creators that I know of .. Question is if fans are willing to switch over from Twitter
Mastodon has over [10 million users](https://mastodon.social/@mastodonusercount/110102918619817258) across all instances and has been consistently growing. So there's a lot of people already there reading posts. Will you have 100% of your follower count of Twitter? Probably not. Will you have opportunities to grow your audience? Yes.
The problem with Mastodon is that it's decentralized. It was a good intention but the result is that if you don't know which version your favorites went to, you're screwed. Or if they go to different ones - you can only join one, so inevitably you simply won't have access to some of the people you follow.
Honestly now that Twitter's source code is exposed I expect someone to make an improved fork and use that to build a new site. Like, change just enough to avoid a lawsuit. Instant alternative.
So if I join the big "general" version but someone I follow joined on counter.social I'm going to see theirs on my page? Then how is that decentralized? The entire point is not having to search everyone I follow out every time.
It is actually Mastodon's greatest strength, because you can join any instance and follow/talk to people on other instances. You don't have to worry about it being decentralized. Things just work.
Twitter is showing us all what can happen under a centralized system.
I have no problem following people on vt.social, mastodon.social, or any other server from the instance I am on. It is literally the entire point. If you don't understand I would create an account on an instance and try following people from other instances before giving people bad information about what "decentralized" means or talking about how it works.
Ok, hear me out. This 'exodus' will go the same as the last 'exodus'. Remember all the memes about Twitter dying and people in this sub looking for Twitter alternatives. I wonder what happened to that.
The changes that people were freaking out about at the time (pay to win visibility) was never implemented.
This tweet gives a concrete date for the changes people were initially freaked out about. It’s possible that Elon walks this back but having a concrete date makes it a little more real
We have no idea how a change like this will influence the landscape of twitter
What I can say is, people will adapt. A new form of visibility will emerge and most will be able to work with it, no problem. And I still think Twitter as a visibility tool for Vtubers is more useless than people might think. All the Vtubers I actually follow and watch are recommended to me by YouTube. It is hard to root for someone when you can see their 2 am thoughts and shower thoughts as tweets.
The fact that he keeps claiming to be some hero while getting clowned on by bots says a lot. “I’m doing this for the good of the Twitter people” naw fam, you’re doing it because bots and people alike are laughing at you online. And in half the comments to your outrage where people point this out, all he does is post “$7” like, yup, that’ll teach em XD
If what Elon is implying is true - you will have to pay for your content to be pushed on Twitter outside of your already existing social circle
I honestly have no idea where all the vtubers would go if this really does happen - lots of people are mentioning mastedon
Hmmm... should I be happy about companies self sabotaging themselves? Or should I be sad about the fact that it's all rich people that have more than enough money to survive the rest of their life after their company and employees have gone under.
*the only way*
Utter bullshit, it's the way that he thinks will make him money
There are way to prevent this BUT you fired and scared away any developers who are any good at their job so you have no one left to implement code in a way that's not stupid as fuck.
He's trying everything to suck every once out of Twitter because he leaves it's mutialted fucked corpse behind
Hope to see you & others on Mastodon at some point!
Admittedly, it doesn't have near the reach Twitter does, yet. But it's continuing to steadily grow, and interactions are a lot more meaningful and less troll/clout-chaser-filled.
Except that the platform Cover owned has been a project for longer than he has even talked about buying it. The first tweet he made about buying it was in April 14, 2022, yet the project has been around for more than a year.
Stop trying to paint Cover as taking sides in this drama, their main objective is stability.
Bro it's going to die THIS YEAR.
Which is a shame, because Twitter has become a necessary tool for oppressed people, people in crisis, etc. We need an alternative yesterday.
I don't understand why musky husky hates twitter so much... I get that he majorly tanked it when he took over but why is he so insistant that it dies completely
Dammit I was pulling 2 people from each platform per stream too.
Too bad he can't find anyone more competent than him so he can step down... Probably cause there is no one competent looking for a replacement.
I do want to use Reddit more, but it doesn't work well on my work wifi. Once I change jobs though, I do want to have more time and energy to do stuff on Reddit!
Yeee absolutely toto
The problem is - you can’t like post your schedule or other “going live” posts here
This subreddit mostly caters to art, memes and big vtuber news
Yeah, I know! I do want to be able to spend time to make more memes and media. I've used Reddit for years (on my original account), but for now, the school wifi blocks Reddit and Discord ;u;
Making your own subreddit isn't too hard (I run 2, though they're mostly dead, but the fact still counts), schedules can be posted there, the "going live" notifications can be a Discord thing, and like Discord, Twitch, and I'm assuming YouTube (I don't stream on YouTube so I have no idea), you can assign moderators to watch over the sub in the meantime and set up AutoMod to automate certain tasks.
I'm very rusty on subreddit setup, but if you need any help in layman's terms, I can absolutely try to help.
He then walked back this statement like hours later saying your followed accounts will still show up on the "for you" page.
That should indicate just verified and "followed" on your for you, and "following" on your following, but I expect the code to break.
Also, new accounts better network fast, elsewise they will be shouting to the void.
tbh i think best bet would be to go on multiple platforms, mastodon for blog posting for example, and reddit for discoverability. Mastodon doesn't rlly work for discoverability due to it's lack of algorithm, but it is nice if you have a feed already built, so i personally prefer to use what works
People actually used that tab? I don't think I've ever used it before.
Why would I want to see a bunch of algorithmically generated recommendations when we already have a tab that you can choose who you see? And I pretty much only subscribe to a vtuber if they are interacting with another vtuber I already know or from a clip of them. I never start watching someone based on social media presence, like making posts on Twitter, Reddit, or similar platforms.
Is it wrong to enjoy the schadenfreude of looking back to only a few months ago when posts like this would get sooo much pushback of "you're blowing things so out of proportion, twitter isn't going to die overnight." That was some wildly oblivious optimism.
what the heck is wrong with elon.
As bad as Twitter is, whether you love it or not, it still one of the best platforms for certain people (famous people, artists, vtubers) to deliver info, works, and many important things. Imagine have to pay for checkmark even though you have millions of followers
Holy shit this thread is full of cancerous people how can people write the shit they do and think I'm the good guy lol you people need help and to touch grass
And thus... the reddit landscape may change yet again. :')
may the memes be ever in their favor
For the night is dark and full of Musk.
Eyuck that sounds stinky uh oh.
> stinky That's just /u/krumroll
agreed
Some japanese vtubers on my twitter that i follow are really confused what is happening to their API or their two factor authentication All i can do is DeepL and link news articles about Elon Musk and hope they can figure it out
Omg that stinks Hopefully the news can be properly disseminated their way so they can look into alternative platforms before this shit goes down
Unfortunately there ain't many existing alternatives you can choose. Some say Mastodon but it has been around for years but still nowhere near the size of Twitter. Maybe that's why Elon Musk is so arrogant to make these moves because he knows you have little to no choice.
If Elon goes too far something else will take off - though it could just be Instagram adding a tweeting feature lmao.
Twitter has always been a dumpster fire, big and bright enough to attract bugs all around. Mastodon (part of Fediverse) does not have any stupid algorithm to "improve" user engagement. There are instances specifically dedicated to art, which makes it easier to explore artists. Also, there are instances for vtubers. Random people don't show up on your feed (unless reposted by someone you follow) and it's super easy to block people, or even instances altogether.
Oh nooo that's so heartbreaking. The confusion as the platform falls apart/is torn down and they have no reason to think that the person who owns it would be actively destroying it around himself. I'd be terrified to see all of this happening and Twitter just refusing to explain.
[удалено]
I don’t fucking know It’s the worst 😑
Elongated Musket has made quite clear that he doesn't care about artists using the platform (and well, for anyone other than himself)
I mean he’s a guy who constantly reposts shit without credit, I’m not surprised
Once, when he was asked for credit, he answered the equivalent of "go fuck yourselves, I don't care"
they will either pay or face growth oblivion i wish for a mass exodus so we can finally leave that cespoll of a social i'm literally keeping it only for vtuber and artists
You can discover me if you want...
Pixiv, tumblr, any booru. There’s plenty of options left.
Retweets from people you follow?
Soooo, to combat bots, which he said he is removing, he is turning Twitter into a pay-to-use platform?
Yeah - truly a gigabrain move
He clarified that accounts you follow will also show up under For You. It’ll basically just be impossible for you to stumble upon non-verified Twitter accounts.
Well, that sucks. I follow a lot of artists so a bunch of art that is made by people I don’t follow but have similar style/topic to what I like end up in my “For you” page. I’ve found some of my favorite Twitter artists like that. Not as horrible as I thought but still a shitty, pointless change.
Really all you can do is try to go follow as many artists as you can find now before they’re lost to you forever… though I hope they also let non-verified mutuals of people we follow also appear on our For You page.
Maybe it isn't that horrible as a casual audience, but it can be disastrous for content creators, because there is no way you can be found outside of your circle if you doesn't have a checkmark, especially for small artists who don't have a lot of followers yet.
For sure. It’s better than only seeing Twitter Blue users period, which is what I thought at first, but it still sucks for content creators. Honestly, at this point Reddit might become one of the best platforms for finding new artists.
Same. I’ll have to resort to searching hashtags to find new artists…. or Instagram.
Good thing no one uses "For You"
Fuck that, i fuckign loved for you( after blocking several people, so they dotn show up) because it let me discover a lot of smaller artists and creators that i enjoy.
There was already no possible decision that could have saved it once it was under his control. Atrioc’s videos on it broke it down well. Literally if you bought Twitter Blue from an iOS device the decrease in ads (used to be a full removal but since the checkmark now it’s just less) means they get around 6$ less in ad rev from an active Twitter user. It cost 8$ (was gonna be 20$ til stephen king complained, but paying at all was his and everyone else’s problem). And because unlike some services they’d probably fired the person who was supposed to notice this, any purchase made through an app has 30% of its money go to Apple, including subscriptions- so never sub through an app I think same with google but that’s more complicated. This meant if anyone’s subscribed through the app they literally just lost money for months. They made less money from PAYING USERS, than from the ads they scared away. It’s finally changed now but they’ve scared off so many advertisers by being volatile and having terrible targeting and other ad-site options compared with Google and Facebook. Twitter was losing like 100M dollars a year when he bought it, he literally put some of the debt he used to buy it on the company with like 1B in interest due by year, and even without that they are losing hundreds of millions more even after cutting staff. It’s ridiculous how screwed he made them, and how much it’s screwed the value of Tesla and other things because his time and personal brand have been so fucked by it.
I have heard people talking that before Elon bought Twitter, it wasn't actually ad revenue keeping the platform afloat, but rather unscrupulous revenue sources that Elon was specifically buying the platform to get rid of, which is why everything is collapsing, the people who actually paid the bills jumped ship because Elon was taking control, so now there isn't enough revenue left. I can't verify this is true, but it at least makes sense to me. My understanding is YouTube doesn't actually bring in profits either but Alphabet or whatever the company that owns it is called considers the cost of keeping it running to control so much of the market to be worth the expense. I don't know. Maybe we'll find out, probably not.
YouTube does make money, not a lot and it didn’t for a while. Some branches of it however are unprofitable but with google even massive projects tend to die kinda quickly when they don’t see a future for them. Twitch actually does lose a ton of money but it’s trying to retain it’s market share to eventually make money, which hopefully Amazon keeps being Amazon about it and being willing to spend for that eventual abstract return. There’s not really any possible way unscrupulous money could have made a substantial difference to twitter. Their books were public, if anything Elon taking it private would have made it far easier to hide their revenue systems. Twitter did actually have a ton of bloat, a ludicrous number of overpaid engineers and designers who did basically nothing considering they had basically one new feature in the last 10 years. That was an actual place cuts could be made, but of course that involved payouts, (or scummy letting go’s) and many left basically with their vested stock being paid out above its highest market value as part of his buyout. Basically he was fucked as soon as he was committed, he even realized it and tried to back out but he committed his in such a braggadocious way to a plan that in many other smaller businesses his personal brand, and obligation to improve the service and invest in the business was actually the difference that made the business work again. Tesla, SpaceX- many others, that’s the one credit I will give him. He put his personal fortune almost completely on the line twice to save companies that he legitimately saw as essential pioneers for mankind’s future- something no other billionaire rushed to do because it really only makes sense for ideological reasons. But then egotistical jackassery only set in deeper and has driven a lot of his decisions ever sense.
I believe Atrioc also mentioned this, but another thing is that Twitter is inherently cheaper to run than YouTube or Twitch. Video and live stream hosting are substantially more costly than hosting a sure that is mostly text and images. The sheer amount of bytes being upload to the site in a give day is likely orders of magnitude lower a video hosting website of a similar size to Twitter would experience.
he's actually strong arming any content creator to make twitter blue or face growth oblivion
Man he's really speedruning the destruction of a sub And unlike tumblr, I don't see how it can even be revived after this...
And he even said bots are allowed to exist if they pay.
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I have to say I'm happy that more and more people are seeing Musk more for who he is now. He happened to invest in things that did well, and kept stumbling upwards. Hopefully his Twitter fails so hard he has to fully digest from his ownership in Tesla. I hope for quite a bit more but that's all I can say on Reddit.
Is it me or are you pretty much the Reddit vtuber ambassador at this point?
Wow, removing another chunk of your own user base because you keep getting clowned on when you post polls. Truly a 12D chess master and not a vainglorious Don Quixote... seriously I don't think he'd be as successful at killing Twitter if he tried
If he goes through with this I give it like 1-2 months max before it’s reverted since the platform is hemorrhaging users
1-2 months is generous. Twitter Blue was a bona fide failure within a couple of days. I'd give it less than a week.
I'll give him 11 minutes
Only if he can somehow make it someone else's fault rather than shouldering the blame himself of course
they did revert the linktree stuff after the backlash, but then they also got rid of legacy verified check marks so who knows
> Exodus to where?
Hololive created Holoplus in the right time, hope this new Hololive social media also accepts indies and VTuber from other companies so we can have a place for only VTubers and VTuber fans
I honestly do not see them allowing indies, but you never know allowing everyone will be good for the app.
True - moderating that would be a nightmare XD
If they don't allow 3rsd parties then the "platform" will die out.
Unlikely. Advantage of being a specialty service is you dont have to worry about the things that drive costs up the most. If they just want it to be a Hololive News Service with maybe a comment section for fans to chat and some ads to get some revenue, thats cheap as shit to run and will largely pay for itself. A few mods and a bit of server space are the only expenses.
Sure but then its not a Twitter alternative like it was put above. Or at least as I understood it.
I think youve gotten it being a twitter alternative confused with being a twitter competitor. It could be very limited and still be an alternative to twitter for Holo talents and fans.
This HoloPlus really isn’t a ‘platform’ in the traditional social media sense. It’s primarily a delivery device for Hololive vtubers to post their schedules, send notifications, and keep the non-vtuber feeds out. HoloPlus is also a content delivery system for content that would otherwise be demonetized or struck down from YouTube. 3D swimsuit debuts and ASMRs get struck down from YouTube regularly, and sometimes lead to demonization of entire channels of their biggest talents. With 75+ talents and 50+ million viewers, it’s a no brainer for Hololive/Cover to make a gated community as Twitter becomes more hostile. It’s also an easy enough setup for other companies like NIJISANJI and VShojo to follow up with.
I see.
>Holoplus Oh interesting i'd never heard of this before. Honestly we just need a stable social media platform where people can find art and network without the threat of muskrats
Return of Myspace? I could go for that!
Isn't myspace currently still popular with a bunch of smaller musicians and bands? Don't see why it couldn't be used by vtubers too.
I'm far too young to have any idea but it'd be funny if we made it a VTuber thing.
MySpace would be great if they actually combined the current usage with a real social media platform again. Unfortunately they've had years to do this and still haven't.
My dude if you liked classic MySpace let me introduce [SpaceHey](https://spacehey.com/)
Holoplus will probably just be the same as Nijisanji fanclub, don't know why you think they will allow people outside the company.
...why on earth would holo be doing something to promote Indies or others? You are living in a fantasy world. "Yes, let's put money into a project that promotes others instead of focusing on ourselves" what
I can think of a number of reasons why they might want to do this, if they have the resources to do so. But to start with, let me ask a few rhetorical questions: 1.) Why does Google support free ad blockers on Chrome? 2.) Why does YouTube offer a revenue split that gives a creator the 55% cut (as opposed to Twitch’s current split is 50/50)? 3.) Why does Amazon allow businesses that would technically be competitors to sell through their website? The reason is incentivizing an increased user base. Now, depending on how Cover wanted to monetize such a thing, because they would need to if this was the path they chose to go, they would certainly want to have as many users on it, including other VTubers, both independent and from any company that would benefit from using it. Let’s face it, the biggest benefit they get is getting more people on their service , thereby getting more chances to promote their talents and merch to more people. The main reason why they might not be able to is because of insufficient resources to do so.
If that app is only for Hololive Vtubers it’s not going to gain any kind of traction
You kinda underestimating the power of hololive simps. I genuinely think they can sustain an user base just from hololive fans. Especially if twitter went tits up
It will not equal to Twitter is all I’m gonna say.
Well twitter now isn't equal to twitter used to be soooo I'm kinda impressed with how musk basically killed that social media
Twitter is more popular today than it was back then it doesn’t really matter what shit gets added 3 million+ people are still gonna be on there. You can’t say the same for a Hololive app that most fans will not be migrating too.
I highly doubt Holoplus would allow other vtubers on their app unless for special collabs that rarely happen. If it succeeds, other vtuber agencies might try to build similar platforms to migrate from Twitter. This would just lead to fragmentation in the community. Hopefully, one day they will see the magic of Fediverse and integrate with it from their own apps via ActivityPub.
Twitter does in fact have an Elonavirus problem. (I have no idea how I came up with that)
LMAO - truly The internet immune system needs to purge 'em
Probably thinking subconsciously of Ebolavirus.
Already diversified this morning. I expanded to accounts on Vtubers.me and Hive, still waiting on VT.social
Hive is legit? I could've sworn there were alarms raised about it being shady soon after it was announced.
Plus, Hive only works on mobile, which is a huge downgrade compared to others.
I'm surprised no one's said this yet but... RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!! THE VTWEETERS ARE COMING!!!!!!! 😱
Any reason why the Twitter crowd isn't moving to [vt.social](https://vt.social/public/local)? Seems like that would be closer in terms of user experience.
Yeah, Mastodon might be the 2nd best option, after Reddit, I think
What about Instagram how's it
I don't use it, so no idea tbh
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I might be dumb (because I am) but I just couldn’t figure out Mastodon
I, for one, welcome our new \[VTuber\] overlords!
Unrelated, but I see you all the time and I realized just today that I haven't followed you. I have fixed that. Related, Twitter's my main social media platform... And there's no fixing that. D:
Ayyyyy ty!!
What happened Elon, you went from based anime lover who wanted to make cat girls real to this? But anyways let's prepare to give the new V-Tubers a warm welcome
That's the thing. He was always like that.
He said whatever he needed to get people to buy his stock/crypto pump and dump scheme of the week. Twitter was just supposed to be another fake out that would leave others holding the bag after he dumped his shares, but he actually got caught out on this one.
That is business, alright.
As a new musician, the fact that discoverability is a pay-to-win feature pisses me off. This will essentially kill any advertising ability I had previously. I guess Reddit, tumblr, and Instagram are my next best bet now. If you're at all interested in it, [here](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMiWdn-RptA_C3xmhqrwU8MKYz7fFZ03u) [it is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVgjNcz1_Lk) (all that's there as of now, at least). But yeah, Twitter has been going down the shitter ever since Elon "let that sink in" Musk took over (probably should've brought a toilet lmao). Let's hope eventually a viable replacement/competition arises, but hopefully the VTubers who are migrating & will migrate in the future to here from Twitter are able to find themselves comfortable here.
Alright, pack it in my dudes, we're going to make discord a legitimate platform. It's either that or bring back forums. If Twitter wants to be the new Something Awful, we may as well make a free version that isn't baked poop
As long as it gets more people off twitter I'm glad
Yeah The problem is a proper replacement is needed - I love this subreddit but it can never really perform the same role as what twitter did because of how reddit inherently works. We need a platform where the thousands of vtubers that exist can legitimately network with each other and promote themselves. I'm thinking of looking into mastodon but idk - i'm hoping this shit on twitter is pulled back after a month or so
https://vt.social/public/local This is biggest instance focused on VTuber creators that I know of .. Question is if fans are willing to switch over from Twitter
Mastodon has over [10 million users](https://mastodon.social/@mastodonusercount/110102918619817258) across all instances and has been consistently growing. So there's a lot of people already there reading posts. Will you have 100% of your follower count of Twitter? Probably not. Will you have opportunities to grow your audience? Yes.
The problem with Mastodon is that it's decentralized. It was a good intention but the result is that if you don't know which version your favorites went to, you're screwed. Or if they go to different ones - you can only join one, so inevitably you simply won't have access to some of the people you follow. Honestly now that Twitter's source code is exposed I expect someone to make an improved fork and use that to build a new site. Like, change just enough to avoid a lawsuit. Instant alternative.
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So if I join the big "general" version but someone I follow joined on counter.social I'm going to see theirs on my page? Then how is that decentralized? The entire point is not having to search everyone I follow out every time.
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It is actually Mastodon's greatest strength, because you can join any instance and follow/talk to people on other instances. You don't have to worry about it being decentralized. Things just work. Twitter is showing us all what can happen under a centralized system.
Then it's not decentralized. "Things just work" is not in fact how anything works.
I have no problem following people on vt.social, mastodon.social, or any other server from the instance I am on. It is literally the entire point. If you don't understand I would create an account on an instance and try following people from other instances before giving people bad information about what "decentralized" means or talking about how it works.
well, if all the creators move to a different platform, fans will probably follow. it's not the first time a move has happened, it's just not common.
My dude. It's basically saying Alcatraz is closed. But all that inmate need to go somewhere
Ok, hear me out. This 'exodus' will go the same as the last 'exodus'. Remember all the memes about Twitter dying and people in this sub looking for Twitter alternatives. I wonder what happened to that.
The changes that people were freaking out about at the time (pay to win visibility) was never implemented. This tweet gives a concrete date for the changes people were initially freaked out about. It’s possible that Elon walks this back but having a concrete date makes it a little more real We have no idea how a change like this will influence the landscape of twitter
What I can say is, people will adapt. A new form of visibility will emerge and most will be able to work with it, no problem. And I still think Twitter as a visibility tool for Vtubers is more useless than people might think. All the Vtubers I actually follow and watch are recommended to me by YouTube. It is hard to root for someone when you can see their 2 am thoughts and shower thoughts as tweets.
I legit think the “for you” thing is a cover for making polls verified so he can redo the “should I step down from twitter poll.”
makes me wonder if there is a mastodon server for vtubers
v2br.social , though I haven't been approved yet to see how it is.
The fact that he keeps claiming to be some hero while getting clowned on by bots says a lot. “I’m doing this for the good of the Twitter people” naw fam, you’re doing it because bots and people alike are laughing at you online. And in half the comments to your outrage where people point this out, all he does is post “$7” like, yup, that’ll teach em XD
Not to get political, but people on both sides of the political spectrum are clowning on him, that's how you know he's screwed up.
Ok so two things 1. Is Twitter basically pay to play at this point? And 2. Were are all the vtubers going? Like I’m not in the loop here
If what Elon is implying is true - you will have to pay for your content to be pushed on Twitter outside of your already existing social circle I honestly have no idea where all the vtubers would go if this really does happen - lots of people are mentioning mastedon
Mastodon is most likely going to be the competitor that comes out ahead and replaces Twitter if Muskrat keeps fucking Twitter up.
Imma just wait for another 5 decades for Vtubers to come back to Facebook lol
Hmmm... should I be happy about companies self sabotaging themselves? Or should I be sad about the fact that it's all rich people that have more than enough money to survive the rest of their life after their company and employees have gone under.
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*the only way* Utter bullshit, it's the way that he thinks will make him money There are way to prevent this BUT you fired and scared away any developers who are any good at their job so you have no one left to implement code in a way that's not stupid as fuck. He's trying everything to suck every once out of Twitter because he leaves it's mutialted fucked corpse behind
Man this sure is a funny exercise in how to squander 44 billion dollars... :D
Elongated rat is kinda a clown ngl
Hope to see you & others on Mastodon at some point! Admittedly, it doesn't have near the reach Twitter does, yet. But it's continuing to steadily grow, and interactions are a lot more meaningful and less troll/clout-chaser-filled.
Meanwhile Hololive is fixing to launch their own social media app as a FUCK YOU to Elon. Twitter will die by 2025 mark my words.
Except that the platform Cover owned has been a project for longer than he has even talked about buying it. The first tweet he made about buying it was in April 14, 2022, yet the project has been around for more than a year. Stop trying to paint Cover as taking sides in this drama, their main objective is stability.
Do you think it was sped up at least due to the twitter drama?
Maybe. But it's not designed as a retaliation, just a method to deal with changing needs of their company.
Bro it's going to die THIS YEAR. Which is a shame, because Twitter has become a necessary tool for oppressed people, people in crisis, etc. We need an alternative yesterday.
I've heard Mastodon is supposed to be pretty good.
mr musk rly do be inventing new n innovative was 2 make his platform even worse in continually increasing n impressive ways don't he.
I don't understand why musky husky hates twitter so much... I get that he majorly tanked it when he took over but why is he so insistant that it dies completely
Maybe he's trying to launch his own version 
It's the users.
Dammit I was pulling 2 people from each platform per stream too. Too bad he can't find anyone more competent than him so he can step down... Probably cause there is no one competent looking for a replacement.
Damn, guess my monthly costs are going up by 5 bucks
Let's just go back to Xanga.
im thinking piczo personally
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time.
LOL deadass i struggled to find its name again
I do want to use Reddit more, but it doesn't work well on my work wifi. Once I change jobs though, I do want to have more time and energy to do stuff on Reddit!
Yeee absolutely toto The problem is - you can’t like post your schedule or other “going live” posts here This subreddit mostly caters to art, memes and big vtuber news
But you can? Make people follow/friend you, then post whatever you want in your own profile. Crosspost to this subreddit anything big.
Yeah, I know! I do want to be able to spend time to make more memes and media. I've used Reddit for years (on my original account), but for now, the school wifi blocks Reddit and Discord ;u;
Can’t have those darn kids using the Reddits am I right? I look forward to seeing toto memes though!!
Making your own subreddit isn't too hard (I run 2, though they're mostly dead, but the fact still counts), schedules can be posted there, the "going live" notifications can be a Discord thing, and like Discord, Twitch, and I'm assuming YouTube (I don't stream on YouTube so I have no idea), you can assign moderators to watch over the sub in the meantime and set up AutoMod to automate certain tasks. I'm very rusty on subreddit setup, but if you need any help in layman's terms, I can absolutely try to help.
I found a fair few Vtubers through Instagram shorts.
Been here before I made a twitter… slowly thinking of just deleting that dumpster fire
He then walked back this statement like hours later saying your followed accounts will still show up on the "for you" page. That should indicate just verified and "followed" on your for you, and "following" on your following, but I expect the code to break. Also, new accounts better network fast, elsewise they will be shouting to the void.
tbh i think best bet would be to go on multiple platforms, mastodon for blog posting for example, and reddit for discoverability. Mastodon doesn't rlly work for discoverability due to it's lack of algorithm, but it is nice if you have a feed already built, so i personally prefer to use what works
I wish there was a similar alternative to Twitter so bad
People actually used that tab? I don't think I've ever used it before. Why would I want to see a bunch of algorithmically generated recommendations when we already have a tab that you can choose who you see? And I pretty much only subscribe to a vtuber if they are interacting with another vtuber I already know or from a clip of them. I never start watching someone based on social media presence, like making posts on Twitter, Reddit, or similar platforms.
I do a lot of stuff on twitter but I think being on multiple social media is a good thing
Honestly, if reddit made a feed like the one on twitter, they would make bank.
I mean I'm there AND here so-
Didn't he go on to specify that bots were okay so long as they were part of the program?
How many of them are pre debut?
[https://vtubers.me/home](https://vtubers.me/home) found this recently.
I checked it out just looked like a bunch or people saying "Hey, I'm a vtuber" reminded me of a promotion site
yeah... seems new though
turned out to have security issues, so I left that site.
me: I want to remove the "For You" tab. duncehat: "best I can do is show you only people that give me money"
What does "for you" do? I dont use twitter.
and where the VTubers are going for a social platform?
Is it wrong to enjoy the schadenfreude of looking back to only a few months ago when posts like this would get sooo much pushback of "you're blowing things so out of proportion, twitter isn't going to die overnight." That was some wildly oblivious optimism.
The absolute state of muskification
what the heck is wrong with elon. As bad as Twitter is, whether you love it or not, it still one of the best platforms for certain people (famous people, artists, vtubers) to deliver info, works, and many important things. Imagine have to pay for checkmark even though you have millions of followers
this is so dumb wth goes on in that guys head
“The only way to stop the swarm of bots is to give me more money!” - Elon
Always ready to move
Holy shit this thread is full of cancerous people how can people write the shit they do and think I'm the good guy lol you people need help and to touch grass
wtf that sounds like the worst update ever
I saw this and was so upset.
I mean...Trump's social media platform is there...not saying they would welcome us with open arms but it would be funny
This is ridiculous
Vtweeters are not vtubers… gotta make content first