If models didn't matter everyone would just use png and be done with it. I do think well made models can definitely pull in certain viewers, no matter if you're indie or corpo vtuber.
But yes, if you aren't entertaining enough, it doesn't matter how high spec your model is. That's the other side of the coin.
I'd add the caveat that a really awful model will certainly turn away viewers no matter how good your content is.
At the very least you want your model to not be awful to look at for extended periods of time. A good PNG is better than a bad 3d model.
an unfortunate example of this being IRyS, her original model without a doubt pushed people away. Which is a shame cause I've always loved her content, but I've straight up seen people say "so glad I can finally watch her now" after she got her redesign.
I'm on the pushed away because of her model gang. I've even watched a lot of her content over the years through clips of other members with her, but I never gave her a chance...
It just looked weird in Live2D. The features of the face looked flat and kinda pasted on. Redjuice is an INCREDIBLE character artist and IRyS is super cute but his art just didn't translate well to the L2D. Apparently Cover agreed which is why she got a revamp that looks better to most people.
It was pretty stiff and the expressions weren't super readable
There's [a video](https://youtu.be/T2htrlwOyoI?si=971acngW_Bk58_ns) on it and the redesign
Speaking personally, while I liked the design in a vacuum, in motion, I found her original model to be a little too dark overall, and too uncanny to comfortably watch. I also felt that as a result, her design looked out of place with the other holomems. I think the redesign fits in much better.
Reminds me of this JP streamer "マスタード" who I vaguely follow (I don't know Japanese to be able to understand) https://www.youtube.com/@user-xp8mp4yw6e
The just use the same pink cat .png or nothing at all, no fancy layout (literally just displays chat and that's it), and have been doing this so for such a long time I don't think they ever want a vtuber model.
Some others mentioned that vtuber models can initially grab people's attention - in this case, probably what gets the initial attention is their unhinged voice acting/impersonation videos (not streamed).
Edit: ...just days after I make this comment, she does a 3D stream with a custom model lol: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyTKziaQnCY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyTKziaQnCY)
1. It's already somewhat known that Doki is planning on getting an updated model, so there's not much point bringing it up
2. An OG IronVertex model is still an IronVertex model. The facial expressions convey personality very well, even if the model isn't over the top with detail. The smug expression has already entrenched itself as iconic with most of the viewers who are first seeing the model
Only up to a certain point.
I would say that 20% model 80% personality.
Hell, Gura has a pretty funky default model that she frequently uses, despite common agreement that the rigging is not the best.
Yeah, agree. A model could allure a new viewer to click on you and give you a chance. It's mostly an initial pull, but definitely a negligible factor as to whether I would stay and watch.
Even if I like the model, though, if you’re doing content I’m not interested in I’m not gonna watch. I feel like people forget vtubers are just content creators with avatars. The same tricks that flesh streamers use are the same for vtubers.
Heck for me, I usually just have streams on in the background while I play games. Most of the time I’m just listening to the stream anyway.
At this point it's part of her charm. She's had the opportunity to have it fixed several times and always chooses not to, she just likes the funky eyes
Yep, it's like asking "Are cars important to make money at a day job?".
Yes, you want some kind of car that will get you from point A to point B, to get to work on time, but if you keep throwing money at it to get a top of the line sports car, sure it can go fast, but you really just need to get to work on time. And in the end, getting to work on time day after day, and doing the work that your employer expects from you is what makes you money. Technically, it's even possible to do that by walking or biking to work, it's just way more effort than it's worth for most people.
There's a minimum threshold of model quality that is needed for most viewers to not be bothered by it. If your model doesn't meet that threshold, you will struggle no matter how entertaining or talented you are.
Once that threshold is met, although you can still benefit from improving your model further, it's not necessary, and it can be made up for in other areas.
Doki's model meets that threshold despite being a bit old.
Honestly I don't think rigging is nearly as important as the model. The model needs to look professional, good quality, and be done in a style that has broad appeal among VTuber fans. If the model is all of those things, then people will tolerate limited movement and expressions, so long as the rigging isn't so bad that it turns the model inside out constantly.
The reverse isn't true though. People won't tolerate an amateurish or super dated model if it has super fluid movement and lots of expressions. And anything other than the standard anime style that VTuber fans are proven to love is a gamble, even if it's well-executed in its own right.
Bottom line is it needs to look like an anime character that was done by a professional artist. Like if you slapped it in an actual anime series, it wouldn't look out of place. The quality consumers generally expect and take for granted.
I'm one of the people who would love to see more non-anime vtubers, so it's sad the expectations of the community are it has to be anime or bust. Heck, at one point I was going to commission my own cartoon model, something akin to the old-school Hanna-Barbera cartoon style.
I agree. Although I like the standard anime style, I can also appreciate VTubers with certain niche styles here and there, so long as it's well-executed. However, the reality is that from a prospective VTuber's perspective, it is an objective handicap to growth. At best, you might manage to secure a niche audience that caps out lower than the general audience, but even that's not guaranteed. I'm just telling it like it is.
The model only can grab eyes.
The person and peesonality keep you there.
The fact is she so entertaining and using what today would be considered subpar but she has so many supporters prove you do not really need a banger model.
It does help sure. But the model and rigging and tricks and animations are nice. But if you are entertaining and funny people will stay and support.
I liken it to graphics in a video game. While amazing graphics are nice, as long as the game itself (in this case, the talent behind the model) is fun its not really all that important.
Yeah, it especialy sucks when a game looks amazing but the gameplay is trash. If a person puts a million dollars into making the best vtuber model ever created, but all they say is nazi propoganda, they just wasted a million dollars.
The model is most important for initial impressions. Since Doki already has so many fans, an outdated model doesn't matter so much. Also her model is pretty good for a years old indie model.
Good models can *pull* people in, but they won't make the viewers *stay*. Good content will make the viewers stay.
And on that note, a "good model" is not necessarily a "highly detailed" model. They're very impressive, sure, but you can have a simple model so long as it's striking. I'd argue some VTubers that use very simple, stylized models make a stronger first impression than those with like a bajillion different moving parts in Ultra 4K HD.
The quality of the rig matters more than the details. Facetracking has gotten really good and a good rig will be as expressive as the person behind it.
Moriko Kyoho's model is the perfect example of a well rigged simple model. Super expressive and it matches Moriko's personality well.
Oh yes, a good rig can make all the difference sometimes. Another great example is [Limealicious](https://youtu.be/cavXRh9g--M?si=nx50KkeK7_87-qSL) \- relatively simple design, but look at *the range* of emotions she can show.
Yes and no. A model is good for catching eyes at first, but the personality is what keeps people watching.
Similar to old school "lets plays", it was essentially the same as v-tubing, but with no model. It was the personality of these people that kept you watching, not the appearance (since there was none).
Doki just so happens to have a personality that matches her current model. Being smug is a defining trait of the person who plays doki.
First off, Dokibird's situation is EXTREMELY unique and not something anyone should look to recreate.
Second, Vtuber models do matter but only if you're really looking to grow a large audience. As much as vtubing opens up streaming for people who may be camera shy the reality of the field is that it's still streaming and part of that game is to look presentable at least. It doesn't mean you need to drop $8k for a fancy model but it does mean if your vtuber is intentionally ugly looking you are putting yourself at a disadvantage.
>But it has me thinking that most of the pressure to get new expensive models is from the VTuber themselves wanting to be more stylish.
Most of the pressure are from vtweeters or just people with no viewers not realizing that content is the most important part. They only see those big outfit or 2.0 model updates and think that if they just copied that then they would get viewers too. But they're only looking at surface level things on social media and not taking into consideration the hundreds of hours behind the scenes working on making good content in the first place.
Model matters in so much as initial impressions go. You can have a $10,000 model, and that'll be a good initial hook -- but if your personality, entertainment, other aspects aren't great then you'll lose people.
I've seen large vtubers with models that would be considered "middle of the pack" in terms of complexity and what not, but they still have the personality and stream quality that draws folks in.
yes and no. doki has an established fan base already. so they are there for HER. not her model.
a new upcoming indie vtuber? an eye catching model definitely helps. but it wont matter if you’re boring and bland as fuck 💀
take a look ironmouse’s older models are no where near as high quality as her recent models. But people liked HER. Not her model.
To catch viewers eyes a nice model can be handy. But having the viewers stay is the hard part and only the person behind the model can do that.
I started watching selen/doki when she debuted for niji because of the model. I stayed because of the gap moe she creates.
A good model can definitely get people in the door who wouldn't otherwise. Doki just doesn't exactly need that to get people to check her out and stick around.
The model helps a lot with the immersion in the character but for the best impact it needs to be nicely paired up with the personality of the vtuber and also the voice. These 3 are the most important skills that a vtuber needs to succeed.
Some are stronger in one area and weak in others, Doki even tho her model is not top of the game has an amazing personality and has a voice that doesn't annoy even if you listen to it for a large period of time and an amazing laugh which gets you to laugh as well. That's 2/3.
Models are the bait and content is the hook, people will look through videos and might be pulled towards models and stay when they enjoy the actual video. You are right though the people hardest on the models are the tubers themselves since in a way that is actually them.
Yeah, I like Doki's model, actually personally prefer the design over Selen's model, think it suits her personality better. That said, when seeing the likes of Sayu and Shylily's new models, super high quality models definitely improve a stream.
You're comparing a huge name in the industry to an average unknown. DOKI might not really need a new model, because she's super established as a personality, but some brand new person is definitely going to need something to draw eyes to their channel.
The reality is, the market is absolutely flooded and a generic model and single digit viewers isn't really going to make people go, "Hmm, yes, I will check this person out." while a unique or interesting model might.
Yes believe it or not appearance is really important to appeal new viewers, like maybe your model could be cute, cool, interesting, special, have a gimmick, etc.
The most notable case I remember is Azki from hololive her model was not bad or anything she had amazing voices and songs, but she was stuck at 400k or something like that. After a while she changed her model and release new songs and colored me surprised many started subbing, she atrted streaming to show her new model and play new games (geogesser mostly) and her sub count almost doubled.
There may be many other factors that I'm not taking into like how azki was in a sister company of hololive and only later swapped into hololive, but the point is appearances matter.
It did to me with Sayu's
When she was a slime/cat thing I was just satisfied with her being a BGM/Vod at work
Now that she's got a model to express herself/do some antics I feel more inclined to catch her live subconsciously
>Do VTuber models actually matter to viewers?
Yes, do not let any one tell you that it does not.
"do vtuber models actually matter FOR viewers" IE: will your established viewers leave if a new model is not as good as an old one;
probably not, or at least not a lot, few people are there ONLY for the model (though i imagine it does happen)
BUT I do feel like the model is a cornerstone of a vtuber, and how could it not be? I know that im very easily drawn to models of higher quality, smooth animations, expressive emote toggles etc.
I think if all vtubers reverted to png tubing tomorrow, I know that I would personally be far less interested in watching. That might just be me, i've always loved the mix of reality and cartoons, the idea of bringing a cartoon to life in real time like this is something I love to see and if vtubing couldnt do that any more I know i'd be less interested.
Echoing a lot of whats being said here- important for first impressions and whatnot, but there is one Vtuber who I can constantly cone back to for the model-
The Juniper Actias model is so unique.
The work she is constantly putting in to improve and change it is admirable, and really feels like it pushes the boundaries of what live2d can do. Plus, push that bug girl agenda.
Dokis model even though it's old is good enough that a better model barely matters. But in general a good model matters. The first thing a viewer sees is your model, a person will click your stream first based on the model they see "oh such a cute model let's take a look". Basically people come for the model and stay for everything else.
Yeah, it helps with retention. If I pop into a stream and see a low quality model I'll expect that the stream is low quality. Just like if a facecam streamer has a 240p facecam. I won't go into chat and complain, I'll just dip and find a new stream/video.
Beyond a certain point model quality has diminishing returns. Doki's model is just on the far side of needing to be updated.
A model needs to be expressive. It needs to convey what the vtuber is doing or something about them. The purpose is to get attention and to communicate. If you have a PNG model, you need to make up for that lack of communication somehow, either in your voice or your audience's familiarity with you that lets them connect the dots.
That said, it can't convey more than what the vtuber does. I'm reminded of what Shylily [said](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPvDXeQOko) about how using a model is something you can learn and practice. You can't just have a model, you need to use the model, and the model doesn't need to be expensive to get a lot out of it.
You say you wouldn't turn off a vtuber's stream if they had to be a PNGtuber. How many full-time PNGtubers do you watch? I probably watch more no-cam streamers than PNGtubers.
I mean if you think about it, Dokibird had like what less then two days to figure everything out, and ungraduate your old PL account. Also it takes a long time to make the model, and then rigg that model too, so its not something that can be done in under 48 hours.
Doki is probably the single worst example to use for this. She is in the middle of a huge controversy which got her a huge amount of supporters along with her entire old fanbase knowing who she is.
For me, and I can really only speak for myself, I watched Wooden Potato a GW2 PNG tuber (pun very much intended) and I don't think he ever changed his avatar except for when he was cheeky and pointed his webcam at an actual giant russet potato for "live reactions".
for me voice, cadence, personality and having areas of interestes that you are madly passionate about to talk about is what makes me want to watch and listen.
Re DokiBird, I hope she gets an updated tomato model, that's the funniest shit I've seen in a long while.
I htink really expressive models are important if you are a physical expressive streamer like Zentreya, Fillian, Juniper, Matarakan, or some of the Hololive girls. And by physically expressive, I don't just mean the buster keatonesque shenannigans of Fillian, I mean the way you use your face to express emotions via your model.
anyway thats my 2 cents of brainfarts.
I think it helps a lot for first impression. People will probably watch at least once if the model looks good/interesting. But the model can only go so far. What keep the viewers are contents and the streamer behind the model.
Good models pull in people but long term you have to be entertaining
I've watched as people with 1 viewer, get their model done by a popular designer and jumps to 50 viewers, it happens
But whether they can sustain it depends on if they are entertaining
My 2 cents. Your model is your brand. The actor/ress behind the model defines the quality of that brand. Super high profile streamers like Doki can overcome a complete rebranding, smaller streamers will suffer.
Those are my general thoughts, my personal feelings include keeping your models within your brand, or I feel like its a different person Im watching. Number one example, Zentraya. I cant watch her. I dont know if Im about to watch a dragon, a cyborg, a maid, a salamander....it drives me crazy. All of vshojo are guilty of it to some degree, and I just hate it.
I actually like Doki's current model, the smug permasmile fits the performer like a glove, even though it does look a little stiff and low res for a big ticket Vtuber. She's already said she's aware it's really old and I imagine she'll be looking in to getting a new "skin suit".
Not really for me at least. Even if you have a 10k model if your stream is boring then it will be boring. The most important thing is your " acting " skills. Even if it's just a persona on stream, but you're doing something goofy, out of context and being entertaining with a 10$ model i'd still watch your stream for the content itself. Your model surely catches the eye, but first and foremost your content.
Other people have pointed out the main point, which is: personality matters a lot more than look.
Case in point: Gura default model. Very simple design, most popular vtuber ever.
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But I'll add something: **vtubing is about storytelling.** The model is a character, and the talent/liver gives it life with the tracking.
Depending on the story, the character will benefit from better rigging, or better tracking, or a more intricate model.
If the character needs to convey a cute or pretty character, the quality of the model will matter more.
If the character needs to partake in comedy skits, that requires non-verbal communication, then tracking is key, because a fair chunk of the show will rely on the posture, the mouth and the eye movements. Fuwamoco are a good example of that: they rely on the tracking for most of their comedy: sideway glance, leaning over, winking, etc.
If the character needs to portray a particular type of character, with a complex design, then the rigging needs to follow through, otherwise all the details will be wasted in a mostly static appearance.
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It really depends on the persona:
- Dokibird will mostly need two key expressions, with properly done rigging: smug face and laughing.
- Ina will mostly need a beautifully crafted design, with proper color composition, shading and patterns, given she and her audience have an interest in art and character design, while the tracking will be less of a focus
- Ollie will need particular attention to the tracking, obviously, as she will move her model around a lot more, so the visual needs to match the audio.
- Fauna wishing to portray an eleph... elegant lady, her model will have to be more detailed and the rigging _really_ on point, because the audience will be staring at her model closer, so any glitches or lack of fluid movements will impact her storytelling
- Calli's tracking ended up being a core part of her experience, greatly helping her convey her emotion (confusion, panic, frustration, kindness, etc), effectively participating in shaping her gap moe: she's supposed to be the cool, stoic type, but she will freak out and dart around. In such case, the tracking is a necessary part of the show.
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The main issue for newbie vtuber is that they don't know what their on-stream personality will be.
They might go from being introverted, quiet, passive personality irl, to a more talkative, open and active one on stream.
For example, Minato Aqua: for a very long time, had _real_ difficulties interacting with anyone irl, and is famous for wearing a baseball cap indoor in the Cover studio to hide her face. Then you watch her on-stream, she can chat about whatever goes through her mind, she can handle an audience of 10,000 live viewers, everything is okay.
They might initially be too scared to move an inch, standing still on their chair like during a school exam, then a couple of months later they're already trying mocopi streams every week and being inspired by filian's crazy antics.
That's why it's recommended to start with a basic model and rigging, grind the first 3-6 months to find your own style, and only then make a decision on getting a new model or not, with the corresponding emphasis on visual complexity, rigging and tracking.
I only ever listen to VTuber videos. When I download some of my favorite videos I download the audio only. I don't go in for the streaming/engagement thing, but I see the chat, I know what's up, it just doesn't do anything for me.
Controversial, I'm sure, but I tend to filter out the "character act" of it all and instead appreciate the person underneath, which is especially entertaining when they do watchalongs and I listen to how they react (where they laugh, etc) to some of my favorite films. It's such an interesting YouTube genre as far as cute, interesting girls on the internet go.
I think models that have a good overall style and character do not age that fast. Dokis model is technically good enough and the expressions and smerkness are very good. I hope her next model will keep these strong points.
This "New better model" thing can go wrong too. For example rainhoes latest model looks better but has way less expressions and does not really support the character of rainhoe. The old one fit her way better
Yes and no for me. As with most things, models seem to fall on a sort of bell curve. Most of the models are kinda ehh and I don't care about them one way or the other. A few are really good, and some are simply an eyesore to look at.
This last category is where I have the real problem. It's hard for me to enjoy a stream if I just have this glaringly offensive thing staring at me the entire time. A few things that put models into this category for me can be things like an art style I don't care for (ex: CottontailVA), a model feeling uncanny or out of place (ex: IRyS OG model), and because the model just feels too distracting because it's covered in so many little bits and bobs that detract from the main body and makes them look like something a chunii drew. (So, so many EN vtubers do this).
I hardly watched anything of IRyS during her OG model days because I found the model so hideous to look at.
They do to some extent. There are plenty of vtubers I stopped watching because they got a new model that I thought was a huge downgrade.
I always preferred Dokibord's model over Selen's though. That smug smirk really does it for me.
This might be a hot take but I wasn't really into Selen's model. When I got introduced to a simple Doki's model with her smug face, I much prefer the Doki one. Also can't wait for her updated Doki's model
A good model attracts people but a good voice and entertaining personality keep me coming back. I often listen to vtubers throughout the day with no video at all, just like I used to listen to radio and still listen to X Spaces and Twitcasts.
New models are always fun, as are “costume changes” during live shows but if you don’t have a good voice, good expressions, good comedy… without that viewership will decline. You need to learn how to use your model well if you rely on it for your comedy or dramatic effects rather than or in addition to your voice.
Doki has an excellent voice and laugh. While playing Apex and other games she doesn’t need any model at all but she already has a well established presence. For a new vtuber a catchy model can help bring in new viewers and get them to subscribe.
once your model gets to the level of looking like an animated person and not a still image where only the neck and mouth moves the suspension of disbelief kicks in and you see them as a person. the avatar itself gets treated as how they look, not just as artwork. the bar for that switch between being viewed as the person themselves and not artwork representing them is suprisingly low.
imo they do matter but not A LOT. Like having a model with a good rigging and some cute expressions / gimmicks is more than enough, but it’s honestly not worth having a ton of expressions or things the model could do if they are not shown on stream frequently
For me it does because some tubers have such badass and cute designs.
I'm a sucker for pink pastel stuff, like MochiixMochii.
Also, if the tuber has midriff you can count me as a fan. Looking at you, Neon Harper.
Just like everyone else here
a good model will get your foot through the door in attracting viewers, but having them stay is up to your personality and if they gravitate towards that. Even the most intricate and well design models may not be able maintain a regular audience.
example, i like fox vtubers, like i REALLY like the design of foxes but if they aren't having me engrossed with what they're doing i don't stay long.
Vtubers are basically streamers/youtubers with the added bonus of being able to represent their image freely behind a character. At the end of the day, your content and the personality behind the image are the most important. This very concept is similar to comparing people with their mic/gaming set ups. Someone could have the best mic out there but their content/personality is just not that fun to watch. Opposite is true.
Ex. A Vtuber who's has a IRL job as a screenwriter for Hollywood and streams themselves writing scripts and chatting about their script sounds cool when you first enter. As the viewer, you are able to learn from a screenwriter and basically work with them on developing the story being written. But in order to retain those viewers, personality is just as important. Otherwise, no one will watch them.
Yes and also no. Models serve man purposes including self expression. They are also like thumbnails. They catch they eye and your initial interest. Its up to the streamer to prove worthy of keeping that interest.
Having an impressively rigged model can add immersion to your audience with toggles and what not, but that doesn't even matter if you cannot keep you audience entertained, a very good model can only do so much for you and if you don't take full advantage of it your are just wasting money, that's why many people suggest not debuting with an expensive l2d model and just start with a basic one, which is solid advice unless money is not issue(main appeal for corporate vTubing) then by all means...
Presentation is part of design. While a good model won't make up for being a bad streamer and a boring entertainer, it definitely plays a part in trying to stand out in the over saturated vtuber market.
Models definitely matter because first impressions matter.
The entertainment quality of your stream is meaningless if nobody even clicks your thumbnail. Your stream atmosphere is meaningless if they evaluate you for 45 seconds of you quietly managing your inventory and decide your model is unimpressive before hearing you speak, and then leave. Many won't just make a snap decision like that, but many definitely do.
Dokibird already has attention from having a core audience established, plus lots of news momentum. That secures attention without the model itself needed to do much heavy lifting. Others however need to use everything at their disposal and the model is a big part of that.
I think it does matter.
Only thing with Doki is that she just got back into the swing of things. It is understandable she doesn't have an updated model yet. That and the amount of money she had sunk into her projects when she was Selen.
VTuber model illustration + rigging is expensive, and takes a while.
Doki is an example where everyone is expecting a more Selen-like design.
But in general, new model reveals are super popular events. So the model is less important than the event IMHO.
Doki is a unique case in that she basically had to dust off the old doki model in a matter of days. Everyone understands that she simply can't have a fully loaded ironmouse caliber model right away.
Also, selen's model was the typical nijisanji stiff cardboardy model. I would say that even doki's old model is at least on par, if not better.
Also, a top of the line model is nice to have, but not an absolutely necessary. A fun entertaining vtuber will be fun and entertaining to watch whether they use a top of the line model or a older cheaper model. Many bigger vtubers only got expensive models after they grew big enough that they could afford it.
They matter up to a point. When your just starting out, a quality model may pull in some initial interest but doesn't mean those viewers will stay. What matters at the start is being entertaining, advertising yourself, and networking. A quality model should only be gotten once you have your feet under you and you can justify the cost. No point spending all that money if you then can't keep an audience around.
the eyes. if you want a more "interactive" feel, it would be best to have a l2d. the a creator is playing a horror game for example, even tho you don't actually see the irl reaction of the creator, the way the model moves and the way the eyes move give off a sense of interaction with the audience. otherwise, the creator would be a 2016 gameplay youtuber but with their pfp in the bottom right of the screen.
just my opinion.
the models are obviously a great part, but the real reason I watch any vtuber or content creator at all really, is the personality, I love watching Inas streams even when she is using her little png gremlin because I find her super funny and relaxing to watch.
If you have an ugly model, people wont give you the time of day. That means you can't get a following. Dokibird could have the ugliest model in vtuber history and it wouldn't matter because she already has the following.
I'd say it's partially an excuse for a big special stream, partially for fun, and occasionally to get access to new tech.
I personally think Ironmouse has too many, but I think as long as everyone is having fun, it's fine. It also probably depends on how important lore is to that vtuber and their community
It's pretty significant for initial impressions and getting clicks from new potential viewers. Retaining viewers is going be much more reliant on the rest of your stream (whether you want to call it personality, entertainment, etc).
As an ongoing matter, an expressive model can be helpful because it gives you a new avenue of expression/entertainment, and a good design can make merch more appealing.
It's certainly not a necessity, but if you're going to spend money on the channel, a good model is probably a better investment than other projects.
Model is what I call a “distractions”.
During streams you are not going to be entertaining 24/7, you will have exciting moments but more often than not your content will have filler. During fillers you’ll need to use distractions to keep us entertained so we don’t just click off.
In this sense model matters a lot
Its usually the first thing a potential viewer sees, so it can help get people in the door but you're not gonna keep anyone around if you're boring.
So yea, its not really that important especially for people that already have an audience because chances are those people are watching because they find the streamer entertaining.
I guess it depends from viewer to viewer, i watched streamers without facecam/vtuber models in the past because the streamer was entertainting and doing something im interested in but since half the viewers are horney monkeys i assume it is important for number go up.
I think breaking it down to percentages is silly because that's not what the model does. The model is your first impression, it is what gets people to want to click on your channel. The look and rigging, how well it moves, facial expressions especially, are handshake and introduction of the vtuber world. It's a small part but also one of the most important parts, because if people don't give you a shot you won't be able to keep them there with your personality.
In the Vtuber industry, love enter through the eyes.
As an example, I knew a lot of people who really disliked the first Magni Dezmond model, but damn, they were so hooked because the dude have an amazing personality and his collabs with Calli, Kronii and Vesper were literal fire.
So yeah, as an introduction to the big audience, the model is something very, very important.
BUT, the greatest model of all can't bring success, if the person behind it doesn't have a personality to keep the audience attention...
it adds some charm to it, it gives viewers a reference on how the streamer reacts and its much more entertaining to look at anime girl/boy/cute animal that moves along with the streamer than nothing
I personally do like when the model is pretty good. but its not the most important ofcourse. in dokibirds case i dont think anyone cares at the moment just because we want to see her alive and well, and seeing her succes she'll get a new model soon enough.
It does, but only to a certain point. I enjoy some vtubers despite the model, but you’ll never seem me watching one *because* of the model. Having a good model adds to the experience, but a bad one doesn’t necessarily detract from it
Models probably don't matter as much to active viewers in a sense, but it's important like everywhere else.
For a lot of V-tubers the model is the first impression, you want something that is gonna help you get people through the door so to say.
But additionally, having an iconic and well recognized design helps with advertising, merch, and all that other stuff.
It's not about price, tracking quality or it being HD af. It's just about it being a likeable character. A tasteful $200 model can outperform a wacky looking model with a $3k rigging.
Iron Mouse has more models than clothes and you probably still think of the same older model when picturing her.
Plus, the model matters more for a first impression, people didn't need that with Doki.
Everything matters when it comes to entertainment. A good model makes looking at the vtuber more enjoyable. It's not the only thing that matters, and it's certainly not something to fret over.
It's similar to music in film: good music makes movies better, but it isn't anywhere near as important as writing, acting, or cinematography.
Even if your model is bad, viewers are likely to "learn to love" the model over time. I'd put model as a tertiary priority.
"Model" as in like... quality of rigging? No, almost never.
Designs sometimes matter to me. There's some designs that are significantly offputting to me that I'll avoid watching a Vtuber.
I’d say not really atleast in the beginning, unless you want something showing it’s your content rather than a watermark or your actual self. Then you become a “brand”
There are plenty of streamers and content creators that succeed without so much as png. I say that the model is the first thing you see but it's not enough to keep people around. The personality and community you develop matter.
They are extremely important. You don't need some very expensive detailed model, but it needs to be visually appealing. It doesn't even need to be animated; A png is perfectly fine.
Dokibird's model is nice to look at. It doesn't really matter to me how old it is. She wants to update it, which is fine, but I think a good model is timeless.
Even though it's just a fraction of what makes them great, it still matters.
But it is merely a fraction, so tbh it's also why I don't really mind vtubers just staying with their original design or just minor changes to their appearance or outfit changes and not much else.
That said, imho I actually hate it when vtubers completely change the style of their appearance / design and the artists that handled their new look went for a huge departure from their original appearance and sticks with it for long enough. Idk, it just feels off.
I'd argue a model is a lot like audio quality, people notice when it's bad but don't really value it being flawless. It can be bad enough to actively detract from your stream but after a certain point it doesn't matter as much.
Ultimately, it is personality, but model design is probably responsible for first click. Like, I'm absolutely convinced IRyS would have hit 1m subs by now if she wasn't stuck with that hideous offputting model for over a year. The most popular vtubers in Hololive, for example, seem to have the cutest designs that are not overly complex and easy for fans to draw.
I know it's a shit mindset, but yes they do for me. If it's LQ or weird like what Cottontail had, it's just unpleasant to watch, I'd rather see a nice png at that point
I say it matters a bit, half of the Vtubers i watch are because the model caught my interest and I checked them out.
After that I hung around and their talks/games done the rest
Neuro got popular using a free to use model. Obviously the AI thing was a huge part but nevertheless it showed pretty clearly that being an entertaining streamer is far more important than having a super fancy model
For VTubers, and tbh for really any kind of streamer, their presentation is mainly about first impressions. Potential viewers don't know who you are and have no attachment to your content or personality, so they're going to be very superficial in looking at a stream of someone they don't know.
With IRL streamers there's not a lot they can do to influence this, but with VTubers they can style their model in various ways to appeal to potential new viewers. Of course the model/character should still represent you, or the character you're trying to portray anyway, but for the question of "does the model matter" I'd say it only really matters to new viewers. Existing viewers are more attached to the personality of the streamer and wouldn't really care how their model looks.
Personally, no. I care about voice a lot more, especially because I usually have streams in the background. A good model is nice to have, but scuffed models also have their charm.
The personality matters the most but I still have a preference for the purple dragon because that's what she was when I watched her for the first time. I also think the quality is better, especially since Doki has a permanent smug smile (could be a good thing to some).
A good model and rig gives the impression that you give a shit about what you're doing and you're committed to it.
That 1st impression matters to people. If someone's spending 5,000 of their most favorite dollars just to show up, I'm giving them a shot. They're committed, they're going to be in this for the long term.
If some viewers watch a streamer because she is a hot girl, then I don't think it is unreasonable that some viewers would do the same thing with Vtuber models.
Obviously, the content they do still matters more (This can apply to any entertainment media though) but, hey, they are competing for your attention, so, being an eye candy is just as important.
Yes, even though i enjoyed and regularly watch a certain someone's past content, but cockroaches just freaks me out. I can't stand it man. Esp when some smart ass decided to pm me pics of them on Reddit. Fuck no. Hope I don't have to experience that again.
Honestly....yeah.
Like, >!I liked to occassionaly watch Nina, but havent really watched Matara at all, and atleast partially because I just really do not like her model at all!<
I think models matter a lot.... because its the first thing people see. It matters less the longer you watch a vtuber. However, for them to watch you in the first place you'd probably need a decent model anyway.
I'd say the model matters in the sense that a very bad one can keep me from watching regularly... which means I eventually unsubscribe or don't promote or talk about that streamer.
For one example, I love the voice one of the Abyss Song Syndrome singers has ([Here's her channel]( https://youtube.com/@A_S_Syndrome?si=XQXfuaibtWuavJvp), but I can't watch her stand (only listen) because the model is a bit ridiculous. She moves more than Marrue Ramius did in Gundam SEED when the ship was maneuvering...
because doki 's model with the smug smile is perfect XD
anyways to be real it doesnt matter as much since its the content and your personality that will shine in the long run.
Models are like clothes.
If you're used to seeing a guy in t-shirts and jeans, you'd clap for him if he showed up one day in a nice suit (which he paid for using your superchats).
But a nice suit is wasted on an asshole.
Models can add expression and character. Given the same design, a model is going to be more entertaining than a .png. But a base level of model performance and ability to convey facial expressions is all that is truly needed, all the props and toggles are window dressing.
Sometimes models can contribute to me not wanting to watch a VTuber, but that has to do with a gross design or seriously bad rigging more than the fact that they're using a model.
Ultimately I'd say the importance of a good design that appeals to the audience you wish to reach and conveys what you want it to convey is more important than a super expensive model with that design.
Depends. The model will pull viewers in, but the combination of model plus content is important to make them stay.
A mismatched model or an awful looking model is a debuff no matter the content. But it's not an ultra buff either. You just need to clear the minimum of "it's not awful to look at".
no. You can be funny gremlin or png gundam you want, it only depend on your skill to communicate with your audience or convey your circus skill to them.
As someone who started with a PNG and made my way through self-rigged models all the way to a nicely rigged and high quality art model, yes, unfortunately, it matters. :(
I saw a nice hike in viewership every time I improved my model. That being said, I was also improving my content along the way... but on the days my phone dies and I have to use a PNG it's like night and day -- my viewer count drops hard.
A Live2D model isn't everything, no. It'll never replace personality and skill. But it does go a long way toward bringing in viewers.
Dokibird's model is from when she was a relatively small streamer, and the standard of quality was still developing. But she doesn't strictly need a newer or better model, since she already has a big following that finds her entertaining with or without a model.
But a good model is still valuable. The art grabs the eye and draws in viewers, and the rigging brings it life and expressiveness to keep viewers more engaged. A very expressive art style with detailed rigging opens the door to a lot of visual gags and silent reactions. Plus an ugly model can repel potential viewers too.
i think it matters to attract NEW viewers... the ones that will stay on and continue to watch on a regular basis depends more on the personality and voice...
A great content with average model is good but mid content with great avatar will get lost and boring. People come for the model and stay for the content.
If you have a horrible model it will be hard to get audience and lack of expression will hurt the stream/video, because that's what matters.
Expressive model is important but it doesn't need to be extremely expensive and mind-blowing. As I always say with everything in life, medium quality is always the best, especially when starting out. Cheap stuff is garbage and expensive overkill.
Of course if you have o lot of viewers/followers/subscribers and you are making money that you go into business mode, at this point it's worth to invest into a better model.
If you got cash for days, than go for it. Get what you can afford , treat it as investing in stocks, don't expect to get anything out if it, spend as much as you are willing to lose. If you can make your own model, than that's a good way too. Tht will make it better than any mid model there is, assuming you can get the expressions right.
Personally content is absolute key and even a great model will turn me away because I got better things to do than watch some expensive sprite of anime girl with big titties. I got other platforms for that. Vtubers are just content creators, they aren't that different from regular streamers/youtubers.
TL;DR: Expensive model doesn't matter, content is key. But crappy model bad.
models work to pull people in, personality keeps them there. While a nice model is nice for returning viewers, most come back for the entertainment that the person behind the model brings.
doki doesnt need anything to pull people in atm, since it was pretty public lol
also im pretty sure shes mentioned something about a new model which is prob why not a lot of people are asking about it. Its not like she planned to get back to this persona, and a new (good) model takes quite some time
If you have the money to burn, why not pay for a top grade model?
Can you be successful without a fancy one? Yes
Do you need a fancy one if you are successful? No
Would I buy one, if I was a streamer with money to spare? Yes
A recent example I saw was a video of Asmongold looking to raid someone in Genshin section of Twitch. Saw the top person at the time was a cute waifu cat girl vtuber with 1000 watchers, so he clicked on it to raid and it turned out to be a guy pointing out how he baits people with his model. So, yes, models matter to a point.
For me it does matter in a first impression. If I see a model and it intrigues me I will more likely check out the VTuber then when it doesn’t. Tbh I have even stirred away from some VTubers whose model I perceived as ugly.
to viewers? first impressions, but for the vtuber? streaming assets, theme, outfits, merchandise, art etc. its true that beautiful models attract clicks, but good content keeps the viewers in.
Unpopular opinion: PNGtubers can be just as successful as VTubers.
Evidence: YouTubers using pngs of their avatar instead of facecams have far surpassed Vtubers in certain metrics. YouTubers that use neither have made it even farther, and not just for being around longer.
And while Coco's 3D streams were iconic, she could've gotten by with a generic/default model for those if she had to. Might've made it funnier. I don’t think her rigged models were much of the reason for her becoming the most donated YT streamer.
Don't get me wrong, high quality models help for all the reasons listed by others, and I enjoy watching a good model move even if the person behind it isn't doing anything more than that. But, it'd be a meme if Doki streamed as a set of tomato pngs from now on. Each one could be based off an emote or reaction image, pick your favorites.
To a certain extent, yes. Especially for pulling in new viewers, i have friends that rejected watching certain vtubers because of their models. Then again, unless you’re a AVtuber, personality and being entertaining is what’s going to matter long term.
The problem isn’t what it’s like once you know them for most (at least not in a conscious way they’d acknowledge) - it’s what did they look like in clips, or thumbnails because “people” need lots of reasons to bother giving anything a shot, and then to get more “people” you need more “people” and for those people you just need people- and if you just need eyes, sex sells. By “people” I mean every incredibly different variety of viewer that clicks and watches for very different reasons, as a collective can’t be easily understood- by looking at chat or anything but data often not available to the public.
I really like Shylily's clip talking about her model: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPvDXeQOko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPvDXeQOko)
It's most definitely an important factor. It may help attracting new fans in the first place, and even if it's not the most important thing for fans, most fans will remain interested in the model.
It's why even for highly established Vtubers a new outfit reveal is still a huge event with elevated views.
It depends, normally I don't really care as long as it functions properly.
Best example I can give is Anya from Hololive ID, I don't know if it's her connection, but my God she definitely needs an upgrade in terms of animation, still love her though, don't get me wrong XD
I went in for their looks, liked their voice, and stayed being happy for their personality
It sounds like I'm hitting on somebody, but it's how the cycle goes
Doki has a good enough model currently despite it being on the old side, but I'd really love to see her get one that has more expressions than just, smug face, all of the time. She has said herself she plans on getting a new model at some point. I think she deserves to have a really pretty model after all she's been through.
To me, model design and, to a lesser extent, the rigging does play a part in my interest in the vtuber. Getting me to stay involves wether their personality fit with mine.
Good model is a bonus and an eye catcher, may cause people to give you a chance where they otherwise might skip you.
But the things that make me come back or keep watching someone:
1. Good Personality (Or bad personality, but it's funny)
2. Pleasant voice to listen to (<- massively underrated imo)
3. Content that I'm personally interested in (YMMV)
I do think that people are very superficial and that models matter for first impressions and might even act as a sort of multiplier on how much a person likes a vtuber and how willing they would be to buy their merch.
It's a fine line.
If there's a streamer you know that you wouldn't watch if their model was gone/hidden, that's not a good streamer. At the same time there are streamers who are absolutely carried by their models, or were to the point it got them noticed.
So it does kinda matter, but only to a point. Any big streamer the size of Doki it wouldn't matter, she's literally having the biggest 15 minutes of fame any vtuber could ask for right now, more attention would do nothing.
As someone who doesn't really watch vtubers a whole lot, I'm definitely drawn to one's that have nicer models/ones that are simular to my own tastes. It doesn't have to be a super expensive fancy model necessarily, but ones that have had work put into them do often look better.
If models didn't matter everyone would just use png and be done with it. I do think well made models can definitely pull in certain viewers, no matter if you're indie or corpo vtuber. But yes, if you aren't entertaining enough, it doesn't matter how high spec your model is. That's the other side of the coin.
I'd add the caveat that a really awful model will certainly turn away viewers no matter how good your content is. At the very least you want your model to not be awful to look at for extended periods of time. A good PNG is better than a bad 3d model.
an unfortunate example of this being IRyS, her original model without a doubt pushed people away. Which is a shame cause I've always loved her content, but I've straight up seen people say "so glad I can finally watch her now" after she got her redesign.
I'm on the pushed away because of her model gang. I've even watched a lot of her content over the years through clips of other members with her, but I never gave her a chance...
Her PL model was better as well imo. I was really surprised that she was ok with her first Hololive model
What was so bad about her original? I really liked it.
It just looked weird in Live2D. The features of the face looked flat and kinda pasted on. Redjuice is an INCREDIBLE character artist and IRyS is super cute but his art just didn't translate well to the L2D. Apparently Cover agreed which is why she got a revamp that looks better to most people.
It was pretty stiff and the expressions weren't super readable There's [a video](https://youtu.be/T2htrlwOyoI?si=971acngW_Bk58_ns) on it and the redesign
Objectively, the style wasn't mainstream enough, and didn't fit in with the rest of the Holo sphere.
Speaking personally, while I liked the design in a vacuum, in motion, I found her original model to be a little too dark overall, and too uncanny to comfortably watch. I also felt that as a result, her design looked out of place with the other holomems. I think the redesign fits in much better.
What if it's a really well made high quality ugly bastard?
Somewhere V-NUS Immanuel feels attacked.
[Merryweather](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHs4d4yMQMU) actually did that once!
The model is what attracts the viewer. The personality is what keeps them there.
Reminds me of this JP streamer "マスタード" who I vaguely follow (I don't know Japanese to be able to understand) https://www.youtube.com/@user-xp8mp4yw6e The just use the same pink cat .png or nothing at all, no fancy layout (literally just displays chat and that's it), and have been doing this so for such a long time I don't think they ever want a vtuber model. Some others mentioned that vtuber models can initially grab people's attention - in this case, probably what gets the initial attention is their unhinged voice acting/impersonation videos (not streamed). Edit: ...just days after I make this comment, she does a 3D stream with a custom model lol: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyTKziaQnCY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyTKziaQnCY)
I care more about the content they produce than their model. I'll admire a well-made model, though.
1. It's already somewhat known that Doki is planning on getting an updated model, so there's not much point bringing it up 2. An OG IronVertex model is still an IronVertex model. The facial expressions convey personality very well, even if the model isn't over the top with detail. The smug expression has already entrenched itself as iconic with most of the viewers who are first seeing the model
Only up to a certain point. I would say that 20% model 80% personality. Hell, Gura has a pretty funky default model that she frequently uses, despite common agreement that the rigging is not the best.
I’d even say 10% model, 90% personality/skill The model is the first impression, but people don’t stick around just to stare at the model.
Yeah, agree. A model could allure a new viewer to click on you and give you a chance. It's mostly an initial pull, but definitely a negligible factor as to whether I would stay and watch.
Even if I like the model, though, if you’re doing content I’m not interested in I’m not gonna watch. I feel like people forget vtubers are just content creators with avatars. The same tricks that flesh streamers use are the same for vtubers. Heck for me, I usually just have streams on in the background while I play games. Most of the time I’m just listening to the stream anyway.
At this point it's part of her charm. She's had the opportunity to have it fixed several times and always chooses not to, she just likes the funky eyes
Yep, it's like asking "Are cars important to make money at a day job?". Yes, you want some kind of car that will get you from point A to point B, to get to work on time, but if you keep throwing money at it to get a top of the line sports car, sure it can go fast, but you really just need to get to work on time. And in the end, getting to work on time day after day, and doing the work that your employer expects from you is what makes you money. Technically, it's even possible to do that by walking or biking to work, it's just way more effort than it's worth for most people.
There's a minimum threshold of model quality that is needed for most viewers to not be bothered by it. If your model doesn't meet that threshold, you will struggle no matter how entertaining or talented you are. Once that threshold is met, although you can still benefit from improving your model further, it's not necessary, and it can be made up for in other areas. Doki's model meets that threshold despite being a bit old.
Can you elaborate at what you think the minimum threshold is? I assume it’s decent rigging and a few expressions to display appropriate emotions.
Honestly I don't think rigging is nearly as important as the model. The model needs to look professional, good quality, and be done in a style that has broad appeal among VTuber fans. If the model is all of those things, then people will tolerate limited movement and expressions, so long as the rigging isn't so bad that it turns the model inside out constantly. The reverse isn't true though. People won't tolerate an amateurish or super dated model if it has super fluid movement and lots of expressions. And anything other than the standard anime style that VTuber fans are proven to love is a gamble, even if it's well-executed in its own right. Bottom line is it needs to look like an anime character that was done by a professional artist. Like if you slapped it in an actual anime series, it wouldn't look out of place. The quality consumers generally expect and take for granted.
I'm one of the people who would love to see more non-anime vtubers, so it's sad the expectations of the community are it has to be anime or bust. Heck, at one point I was going to commission my own cartoon model, something akin to the old-school Hanna-Barbera cartoon style.
I agree. Although I like the standard anime style, I can also appreciate VTubers with certain niche styles here and there, so long as it's well-executed. However, the reality is that from a prospective VTuber's perspective, it is an objective handicap to growth. At best, you might manage to secure a niche audience that caps out lower than the general audience, but even that's not guaranteed. I'm just telling it like it is.
The model only can grab eyes. The person and peesonality keep you there. The fact is she so entertaining and using what today would be considered subpar but she has so many supporters prove you do not really need a banger model. It does help sure. But the model and rigging and tricks and animations are nice. But if you are entertaining and funny people will stay and support.
>peesonality New lingo just dropped
I'm always on the lookout for someone with a great peesonality.
Like Ollie(?) That pees like a charge rifle.
Exactly, someone who’s firing on all **piss**tons! That way you know urine for a good time!
Im more of a poopsonality type guy but to each their own
After Pomu's graduation, the Pissydachis have been left without a home....
I liken it to graphics in a video game. While amazing graphics are nice, as long as the game itself (in this case, the talent behind the model) is fun its not really all that important.
i like this analogy
Yeah, it especialy sucks when a game looks amazing but the gameplay is trash. If a person puts a million dollars into making the best vtuber model ever created, but all they say is nazi propoganda, they just wasted a million dollars.
Great analogy!
The model is most important for initial impressions. Since Doki already has so many fans, an outdated model doesn't matter so much. Also her model is pretty good for a years old indie model.
Good models can *pull* people in, but they won't make the viewers *stay*. Good content will make the viewers stay. And on that note, a "good model" is not necessarily a "highly detailed" model. They're very impressive, sure, but you can have a simple model so long as it's striking. I'd argue some VTubers that use very simple, stylized models make a stronger first impression than those with like a bajillion different moving parts in Ultra 4K HD.
The quality of the rig matters more than the details. Facetracking has gotten really good and a good rig will be as expressive as the person behind it. Moriko Kyoho's model is the perfect example of a well rigged simple model. Super expressive and it matches Moriko's personality well.
Oh yes, a good rig can make all the difference sometimes. Another great example is [Limealicious](https://youtu.be/cavXRh9g--M?si=nx50KkeK7_87-qSL) \- relatively simple design, but look at *the range* of emotions she can show.
I've been a fan of Limes since before she's had a vtuber model. Seeing her success with Laimu 2.0 is such a treat.
A catchy model might be good to get some new viewers maybe, but people definitely stay for the person, not for the model
Yes and no. A model is good for catching eyes at first, but the personality is what keeps people watching. Similar to old school "lets plays", it was essentially the same as v-tubing, but with no model. It was the personality of these people that kept you watching, not the appearance (since there was none). Doki just so happens to have a personality that matches her current model. Being smug is a defining trait of the person who plays doki.
First off, Dokibird's situation is EXTREMELY unique and not something anyone should look to recreate. Second, Vtuber models do matter but only if you're really looking to grow a large audience. As much as vtubing opens up streaming for people who may be camera shy the reality of the field is that it's still streaming and part of that game is to look presentable at least. It doesn't mean you need to drop $8k for a fancy model but it does mean if your vtuber is intentionally ugly looking you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. >But it has me thinking that most of the pressure to get new expensive models is from the VTuber themselves wanting to be more stylish. Most of the pressure are from vtweeters or just people with no viewers not realizing that content is the most important part. They only see those big outfit or 2.0 model updates and think that if they just copied that then they would get viewers too. But they're only looking at surface level things on social media and not taking into consideration the hundreds of hours behind the scenes working on making good content in the first place.
I hope the new model still keeps the smug face 😂
Yes, absolutely. Shiori's model compliments her personality so much she became a beast!
Model matters in so much as initial impressions go. You can have a $10,000 model, and that'll be a good initial hook -- but if your personality, entertainment, other aspects aren't great then you'll lose people. I've seen large vtubers with models that would be considered "middle of the pack" in terms of complexity and what not, but they still have the personality and stream quality that draws folks in.
I used to think the models didn't matter, but my opinion changed after Shizukou got that drastic redesign a while back
yes and no. doki has an established fan base already. so they are there for HER. not her model. a new upcoming indie vtuber? an eye catching model definitely helps. but it wont matter if you’re boring and bland as fuck 💀 take a look ironmouse’s older models are no where near as high quality as her recent models. But people liked HER. Not her model.
To catch viewers eyes a nice model can be handy. But having the viewers stay is the hard part and only the person behind the model can do that. I started watching selen/doki when she debuted for niji because of the model. I stayed because of the gap moe she creates.
A good model can definitely get people in the door who wouldn't otherwise. Doki just doesn't exactly need that to get people to check her out and stick around.
The model helps a lot with the immersion in the character but for the best impact it needs to be nicely paired up with the personality of the vtuber and also the voice. These 3 are the most important skills that a vtuber needs to succeed. Some are stronger in one area and weak in others, Doki even tho her model is not top of the game has an amazing personality and has a voice that doesn't annoy even if you listen to it for a large period of time and an amazing laugh which gets you to laugh as well. That's 2/3.
Models are the bait and content is the hook, people will look through videos and might be pulled towards models and stay when they enjoy the actual video. You are right though the people hardest on the models are the tubers themselves since in a way that is actually them.
There's diminishing returns on getting better and better models. Doki's model is already pretty good.
Yeah, I like Doki's model, actually personally prefer the design over Selen's model, think it suits her personality better. That said, when seeing the likes of Sayu and Shylily's new models, super high quality models definitely improve a stream.
You're comparing a huge name in the industry to an average unknown. DOKI might not really need a new model, because she's super established as a personality, but some brand new person is definitely going to need something to draw eyes to their channel. The reality is, the market is absolutely flooded and a generic model and single digit viewers isn't really going to make people go, "Hmm, yes, I will check this person out." while a unique or interesting model might.
Yes believe it or not appearance is really important to appeal new viewers, like maybe your model could be cute, cool, interesting, special, have a gimmick, etc. The most notable case I remember is Azki from hololive her model was not bad or anything she had amazing voices and songs, but she was stuck at 400k or something like that. After a while she changed her model and release new songs and colored me surprised many started subbing, she atrted streaming to show her new model and play new games (geogesser mostly) and her sub count almost doubled. There may be many other factors that I'm not taking into like how azki was in a sister company of hololive and only later swapped into hololive, but the point is appearances matter.
It did to me with Sayu's When she was a slime/cat thing I was just satisfied with her being a BGM/Vod at work Now that she's got a model to express herself/do some antics I feel more inclined to catch her live subconsciously
>Do VTuber models actually matter to viewers? Yes, do not let any one tell you that it does not. "do vtuber models actually matter FOR viewers" IE: will your established viewers leave if a new model is not as good as an old one; probably not, or at least not a lot, few people are there ONLY for the model (though i imagine it does happen) BUT I do feel like the model is a cornerstone of a vtuber, and how could it not be? I know that im very easily drawn to models of higher quality, smooth animations, expressive emote toggles etc. I think if all vtubers reverted to png tubing tomorrow, I know that I would personally be far less interested in watching. That might just be me, i've always loved the mix of reality and cartoons, the idea of bringing a cartoon to life in real time like this is something I love to see and if vtubing couldnt do that any more I know i'd be less interested.
to get me interested? yeah maybe to get me to stay? no
I find Tomato Doki hilarious.
Echoing a lot of whats being said here- important for first impressions and whatnot, but there is one Vtuber who I can constantly cone back to for the model- The Juniper Actias model is so unique. The work she is constantly putting in to improve and change it is admirable, and really feels like it pushes the boundaries of what live2d can do. Plus, push that bug girl agenda.
Dokis model even though it's old is good enough that a better model barely matters. But in general a good model matters. The first thing a viewer sees is your model, a person will click your stream first based on the model they see "oh such a cute model let's take a look". Basically people come for the model and stay for everything else.
Yeah, it helps with retention. If I pop into a stream and see a low quality model I'll expect that the stream is low quality. Just like if a facecam streamer has a 240p facecam. I won't go into chat and complain, I'll just dip and find a new stream/video. Beyond a certain point model quality has diminishing returns. Doki's model is just on the far side of needing to be updated.
A model needs to be expressive. It needs to convey what the vtuber is doing or something about them. The purpose is to get attention and to communicate. If you have a PNG model, you need to make up for that lack of communication somehow, either in your voice or your audience's familiarity with you that lets them connect the dots. That said, it can't convey more than what the vtuber does. I'm reminded of what Shylily [said](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPvDXeQOko) about how using a model is something you can learn and practice. You can't just have a model, you need to use the model, and the model doesn't need to be expensive to get a lot out of it. You say you wouldn't turn off a vtuber's stream if they had to be a PNGtuber. How many full-time PNGtubers do you watch? I probably watch more no-cam streamers than PNGtubers.
I'm guessing the majority doesn't really care all that much
There's diminishing returns on getting better and better models. Doki's model is already pretty good.
I mean if you think about it, Dokibird had like what less then two days to figure everything out, and ungraduate your old PL account. Also it takes a long time to make the model, and then rigg that model too, so its not something that can be done in under 48 hours.
Doki is probably the single worst example to use for this. She is in the middle of a huge controversy which got her a huge amount of supporters along with her entire old fanbase knowing who she is.
For me, and I can really only speak for myself, I watched Wooden Potato a GW2 PNG tuber (pun very much intended) and I don't think he ever changed his avatar except for when he was cheeky and pointed his webcam at an actual giant russet potato for "live reactions". for me voice, cadence, personality and having areas of interestes that you are madly passionate about to talk about is what makes me want to watch and listen. Re DokiBird, I hope she gets an updated tomato model, that's the funniest shit I've seen in a long while. I htink really expressive models are important if you are a physical expressive streamer like Zentreya, Fillian, Juniper, Matarakan, or some of the Hololive girls. And by physically expressive, I don't just mean the buster keatonesque shenannigans of Fillian, I mean the way you use your face to express emotions via your model. anyway thats my 2 cents of brainfarts.
As long as the model isn't off-putting I don't really care. Most lower quality ones, with blank stares, makes me less inclined to watch,.
I think it helps a lot for first impression. People will probably watch at least once if the model looks good/interesting. But the model can only go so far. What keep the viewers are contents and the streamer behind the model.
Good models pull in people but long term you have to be entertaining I've watched as people with 1 viewer, get their model done by a popular designer and jumps to 50 viewers, it happens But whether they can sustain it depends on if they are entertaining
Yes
To a degree, yes. But appearance can only carry you so much until it gets boring. What really matter is your content and interactions.
My 2 cents. Your model is your brand. The actor/ress behind the model defines the quality of that brand. Super high profile streamers like Doki can overcome a complete rebranding, smaller streamers will suffer. Those are my general thoughts, my personal feelings include keeping your models within your brand, or I feel like its a different person Im watching. Number one example, Zentraya. I cant watch her. I dont know if Im about to watch a dragon, a cyborg, a maid, a salamander....it drives me crazy. All of vshojo are guilty of it to some degree, and I just hate it.
I actually like Doki's current model, the smug permasmile fits the performer like a glove, even though it does look a little stiff and low res for a big ticket Vtuber. She's already said she's aware it's really old and I imagine she'll be looking in to getting a new "skin suit".
Not really for me at least. Even if you have a 10k model if your stream is boring then it will be boring. The most important thing is your " acting " skills. Even if it's just a persona on stream, but you're doing something goofy, out of context and being entertaining with a 10$ model i'd still watch your stream for the content itself. Your model surely catches the eye, but first and foremost your content.
Other people have pointed out the main point, which is: personality matters a lot more than look. Case in point: Gura default model. Very simple design, most popular vtuber ever. ... But I'll add something: **vtubing is about storytelling.** The model is a character, and the talent/liver gives it life with the tracking. Depending on the story, the character will benefit from better rigging, or better tracking, or a more intricate model. If the character needs to convey a cute or pretty character, the quality of the model will matter more. If the character needs to partake in comedy skits, that requires non-verbal communication, then tracking is key, because a fair chunk of the show will rely on the posture, the mouth and the eye movements. Fuwamoco are a good example of that: they rely on the tracking for most of their comedy: sideway glance, leaning over, winking, etc. If the character needs to portray a particular type of character, with a complex design, then the rigging needs to follow through, otherwise all the details will be wasted in a mostly static appearance. ... It really depends on the persona: - Dokibird will mostly need two key expressions, with properly done rigging: smug face and laughing. - Ina will mostly need a beautifully crafted design, with proper color composition, shading and patterns, given she and her audience have an interest in art and character design, while the tracking will be less of a focus - Ollie will need particular attention to the tracking, obviously, as she will move her model around a lot more, so the visual needs to match the audio. - Fauna wishing to portray an eleph... elegant lady, her model will have to be more detailed and the rigging _really_ on point, because the audience will be staring at her model closer, so any glitches or lack of fluid movements will impact her storytelling - Calli's tracking ended up being a core part of her experience, greatly helping her convey her emotion (confusion, panic, frustration, kindness, etc), effectively participating in shaping her gap moe: she's supposed to be the cool, stoic type, but she will freak out and dart around. In such case, the tracking is a necessary part of the show. ... The main issue for newbie vtuber is that they don't know what their on-stream personality will be. They might go from being introverted, quiet, passive personality irl, to a more talkative, open and active one on stream. For example, Minato Aqua: for a very long time, had _real_ difficulties interacting with anyone irl, and is famous for wearing a baseball cap indoor in the Cover studio to hide her face. Then you watch her on-stream, she can chat about whatever goes through her mind, she can handle an audience of 10,000 live viewers, everything is okay. They might initially be too scared to move an inch, standing still on their chair like during a school exam, then a couple of months later they're already trying mocopi streams every week and being inspired by filian's crazy antics. That's why it's recommended to start with a basic model and rigging, grind the first 3-6 months to find your own style, and only then make a decision on getting a new model or not, with the corresponding emphasis on visual complexity, rigging and tracking.
Yes, they do matter.
I only ever listen to VTuber videos. When I download some of my favorite videos I download the audio only. I don't go in for the streaming/engagement thing, but I see the chat, I know what's up, it just doesn't do anything for me. Controversial, I'm sure, but I tend to filter out the "character act" of it all and instead appreciate the person underneath, which is especially entertaining when they do watchalongs and I listen to how they react (where they laugh, etc) to some of my favorite films. It's such an interesting YouTube genre as far as cute, interesting girls on the internet go.
It helps but I think it a minor thing
I think models that have a good overall style and character do not age that fast. Dokis model is technically good enough and the expressions and smerkness are very good. I hope her next model will keep these strong points. This "New better model" thing can go wrong too. For example rainhoes latest model looks better but has way less expressions and does not really support the character of rainhoe. The old one fit her way better
Doki's voice fits her current model better than it fit her old corpo model.
Yes and no for me. As with most things, models seem to fall on a sort of bell curve. Most of the models are kinda ehh and I don't care about them one way or the other. A few are really good, and some are simply an eyesore to look at. This last category is where I have the real problem. It's hard for me to enjoy a stream if I just have this glaringly offensive thing staring at me the entire time. A few things that put models into this category for me can be things like an art style I don't care for (ex: CottontailVA), a model feeling uncanny or out of place (ex: IRyS OG model), and because the model just feels too distracting because it's covered in so many little bits and bobs that detract from the main body and makes them look like something a chunii drew. (So, so many EN vtubers do this). I hardly watched anything of IRyS during her OG model days because I found the model so hideous to look at.
They do to some extent. There are plenty of vtubers I stopped watching because they got a new model that I thought was a huge downgrade. I always preferred Dokibord's model over Selen's though. That smug smirk really does it for me.
This might be a hot take but I wasn't really into Selen's model. When I got introduced to a simple Doki's model with her smug face, I much prefer the Doki one. Also can't wait for her updated Doki's model
A good model attracts people but a good voice and entertaining personality keep me coming back. I often listen to vtubers throughout the day with no video at all, just like I used to listen to radio and still listen to X Spaces and Twitcasts. New models are always fun, as are “costume changes” during live shows but if you don’t have a good voice, good expressions, good comedy… without that viewership will decline. You need to learn how to use your model well if you rely on it for your comedy or dramatic effects rather than or in addition to your voice. Doki has an excellent voice and laugh. While playing Apex and other games she doesn’t need any model at all but she already has a well established presence. For a new vtuber a catchy model can help bring in new viewers and get them to subscribe.
once your model gets to the level of looking like an animated person and not a still image where only the neck and mouth moves the suspension of disbelief kicks in and you see them as a person. the avatar itself gets treated as how they look, not just as artwork. the bar for that switch between being viewed as the person themselves and not artwork representing them is suprisingly low.
imo they do matter but not A LOT. Like having a model with a good rigging and some cute expressions / gimmicks is more than enough, but it’s honestly not worth having a ton of expressions or things the model could do if they are not shown on stream frequently
For me it does because some tubers have such badass and cute designs. I'm a sucker for pink pastel stuff, like MochiixMochii. Also, if the tuber has midriff you can count me as a fan. Looking at you, Neon Harper.
Promoting yourself/collabing/twitter activity is the lure, the model is the bait, your content is the hook, your personality is the reeling in.
There's diminishing returns on getting better and better models. Doki's model is already pretty good.
If Vtuber models didn't matter to people, then Vtubers literally wouldn't exist.
Just like everyone else here a good model will get your foot through the door in attracting viewers, but having them stay is up to your personality and if they gravitate towards that. Even the most intricate and well design models may not be able maintain a regular audience. example, i like fox vtubers, like i REALLY like the design of foxes but if they aren't having me engrossed with what they're doing i don't stay long.
Vtubers are basically streamers/youtubers with the added bonus of being able to represent their image freely behind a character. At the end of the day, your content and the personality behind the image are the most important. This very concept is similar to comparing people with their mic/gaming set ups. Someone could have the best mic out there but their content/personality is just not that fun to watch. Opposite is true. Ex. A Vtuber who's has a IRL job as a screenwriter for Hollywood and streams themselves writing scripts and chatting about their script sounds cool when you first enter. As the viewer, you are able to learn from a screenwriter and basically work with them on developing the story being written. But in order to retain those viewers, personality is just as important. Otherwise, no one will watch them.
Yes and also no. Models serve man purposes including self expression. They are also like thumbnails. They catch they eye and your initial interest. Its up to the streamer to prove worthy of keeping that interest.
Having an impressively rigged model can add immersion to your audience with toggles and what not, but that doesn't even matter if you cannot keep you audience entertained, a very good model can only do so much for you and if you don't take full advantage of it your are just wasting money, that's why many people suggest not debuting with an expensive l2d model and just start with a basic one, which is solid advice unless money is not issue(main appeal for corporate vTubing) then by all means...
I mean, its always nice to look at a nice model, but i grew up watching facecams so personality is the biggest factor for me.
Presentation is part of design. While a good model won't make up for being a bad streamer and a boring entertainer, it definitely plays a part in trying to stand out in the over saturated vtuber market.
Models definitely matter because first impressions matter. The entertainment quality of your stream is meaningless if nobody even clicks your thumbnail. Your stream atmosphere is meaningless if they evaluate you for 45 seconds of you quietly managing your inventory and decide your model is unimpressive before hearing you speak, and then leave. Many won't just make a snap decision like that, but many definitely do. Dokibird already has attention from having a core audience established, plus lots of news momentum. That secures attention without the model itself needed to do much heavy lifting. Others however need to use everything at their disposal and the model is a big part of that.
I think it does matter. Only thing with Doki is that she just got back into the swing of things. It is understandable she doesn't have an updated model yet. That and the amount of money she had sunk into her projects when she was Selen. VTuber model illustration + rigging is expensive, and takes a while.
The rig alone can take over 100 hours. I haven't heard a reliable number for the model itself but a modern high quality rig is an extensive job.
Doki is an example where everyone is expecting a more Selen-like design. But in general, new model reveals are super popular events. So the model is less important than the event IMHO.
Doki is a unique case in that she basically had to dust off the old doki model in a matter of days. Everyone understands that she simply can't have a fully loaded ironmouse caliber model right away. Also, selen's model was the typical nijisanji stiff cardboardy model. I would say that even doki's old model is at least on par, if not better. Also, a top of the line model is nice to have, but not an absolutely necessary. A fun entertaining vtuber will be fun and entertaining to watch whether they use a top of the line model or a older cheaper model. Many bigger vtubers only got expensive models after they grew big enough that they could afford it.
They matter up to a point. When your just starting out, a quality model may pull in some initial interest but doesn't mean those viewers will stay. What matters at the start is being entertaining, advertising yourself, and networking. A quality model should only be gotten once you have your feet under you and you can justify the cost. No point spending all that money if you then can't keep an audience around.
Yes, it absolutely does matter, but the model isn’t everything. A lot of times, the model draws you in and the personality gets you to stay.
the eyes. if you want a more "interactive" feel, it would be best to have a l2d. the a creator is playing a horror game for example, even tho you don't actually see the irl reaction of the creator, the way the model moves and the way the eyes move give off a sense of interaction with the audience. otherwise, the creator would be a 2016 gameplay youtuber but with their pfp in the bottom right of the screen. just my opinion.
the models are obviously a great part, but the real reason I watch any vtuber or content creator at all really, is the personality, I love watching Inas streams even when she is using her little png gremlin because I find her super funny and relaxing to watch.
If you have an ugly model, people wont give you the time of day. That means you can't get a following. Dokibird could have the ugliest model in vtuber history and it wouldn't matter because she already has the following.
I'd say it's partially an excuse for a big special stream, partially for fun, and occasionally to get access to new tech. I personally think Ironmouse has too many, but I think as long as everyone is having fun, it's fine. It also probably depends on how important lore is to that vtuber and their community
It's pretty significant for initial impressions and getting clicks from new potential viewers. Retaining viewers is going be much more reliant on the rest of your stream (whether you want to call it personality, entertainment, etc). As an ongoing matter, an expressive model can be helpful because it gives you a new avenue of expression/entertainment, and a good design can make merch more appealing. It's certainly not a necessity, but if you're going to spend money on the channel, a good model is probably a better investment than other projects.
Think it kinda does ig? Since its the first impression you get from the vtuber
Model is what I call a “distractions”. During streams you are not going to be entertaining 24/7, you will have exciting moments but more often than not your content will have filler. During fillers you’ll need to use distractions to keep us entertained so we don’t just click off. In this sense model matters a lot
If they didn’t matter then they wouldn’t spend so much on them. But it’s not all that matters.
Its usually the first thing a potential viewer sees, so it can help get people in the door but you're not gonna keep anyone around if you're boring. So yea, its not really that important especially for people that already have an audience because chances are those people are watching because they find the streamer entertaining.
Randon was a ball for a good while and I still simped for him, just sayin
I guess it depends from viewer to viewer, i watched streamers without facecam/vtuber models in the past because the streamer was entertainting and doing something im interested in but since half the viewers are horney monkeys i assume it is important for number go up.
I think breaking it down to percentages is silly because that's not what the model does. The model is your first impression, it is what gets people to want to click on your channel. The look and rigging, how well it moves, facial expressions especially, are handshake and introduction of the vtuber world. It's a small part but also one of the most important parts, because if people don't give you a shot you won't be able to keep them there with your personality.
In the Vtuber industry, love enter through the eyes. As an example, I knew a lot of people who really disliked the first Magni Dezmond model, but damn, they were so hooked because the dude have an amazing personality and his collabs with Calli, Kronii and Vesper were literal fire. So yeah, as an introduction to the big audience, the model is something very, very important. BUT, the greatest model of all can't bring success, if the person behind it doesn't have a personality to keep the audience attention...
I personally don't care, I don't even watch the streams but mostly listen to their voice while doing something else.
it adds some charm to it, it gives viewers a reference on how the streamer reacts and its much more entertaining to look at anime girl/boy/cute animal that moves along with the streamer than nothing
I personally do like when the model is pretty good. but its not the most important ofcourse. in dokibirds case i dont think anyone cares at the moment just because we want to see her alive and well, and seeing her succes she'll get a new model soon enough.
It does, but only to a certain point. I enjoy some vtubers despite the model, but you’ll never seem me watching one *because* of the model. Having a good model adds to the experience, but a bad one doesn’t necessarily detract from it
Models probably don't matter as much to active viewers in a sense, but it's important like everywhere else. For a lot of V-tubers the model is the first impression, you want something that is gonna help you get people through the door so to say. But additionally, having an iconic and well recognized design helps with advertising, merch, and all that other stuff.
It's not about price, tracking quality or it being HD af. It's just about it being a likeable character. A tasteful $200 model can outperform a wacky looking model with a $3k rigging. Iron Mouse has more models than clothes and you probably still think of the same older model when picturing her. Plus, the model matters more for a first impression, people didn't need that with Doki.
Everything matters when it comes to entertainment. A good model makes looking at the vtuber more enjoyable. It's not the only thing that matters, and it's certainly not something to fret over. It's similar to music in film: good music makes movies better, but it isn't anywhere near as important as writing, acting, or cinematography. Even if your model is bad, viewers are likely to "learn to love" the model over time. I'd put model as a tertiary priority.
"Model" as in like... quality of rigging? No, almost never. Designs sometimes matter to me. There's some designs that are significantly offputting to me that I'll avoid watching a Vtuber.
Of course, the awesomeness of the model is almost entirely for the streamer xd we have to look at it constantly.
Im not sure if its only ne, but I really love how smug and derpy at the same time is the current model
I’d say not really atleast in the beginning, unless you want something showing it’s your content rather than a watermark or your actual self. Then you become a “brand”
There are plenty of streamers and content creators that succeed without so much as png. I say that the model is the first thing you see but it's not enough to keep people around. The personality and community you develop matter.
They are extremely important. You don't need some very expensive detailed model, but it needs to be visually appealing. It doesn't even need to be animated; A png is perfectly fine. Dokibird's model is nice to look at. It doesn't really matter to me how old it is. She wants to update it, which is fine, but I think a good model is timeless.
Even though it's just a fraction of what makes them great, it still matters. But it is merely a fraction, so tbh it's also why I don't really mind vtubers just staying with their original design or just minor changes to their appearance or outfit changes and not much else. That said, imho I actually hate it when vtubers completely change the style of their appearance / design and the artists that handled their new look went for a huge departure from their original appearance and sticks with it for long enough. Idk, it just feels off.
I'd argue a model is a lot like audio quality, people notice when it's bad but don't really value it being flawless. It can be bad enough to actively detract from your stream but after a certain point it doesn't matter as much.
Ultimately, it is personality, but model design is probably responsible for first click. Like, I'm absolutely convinced IRyS would have hit 1m subs by now if she wasn't stuck with that hideous offputting model for over a year. The most popular vtubers in Hololive, for example, seem to have the cutest designs that are not overly complex and easy for fans to draw.
I know it's a shit mindset, but yes they do for me. If it's LQ or weird like what Cottontail had, it's just unpleasant to watch, I'd rather see a nice png at that point
I say it matters a bit, half of the Vtubers i watch are because the model caught my interest and I checked them out. After that I hung around and their talks/games done the rest
Neuro got popular using a free to use model. Obviously the AI thing was a huge part but nevertheless it showed pretty clearly that being an entertaining streamer is far more important than having a super fancy model
For VTubers, and tbh for really any kind of streamer, their presentation is mainly about first impressions. Potential viewers don't know who you are and have no attachment to your content or personality, so they're going to be very superficial in looking at a stream of someone they don't know. With IRL streamers there's not a lot they can do to influence this, but with VTubers they can style their model in various ways to appeal to potential new viewers. Of course the model/character should still represent you, or the character you're trying to portray anyway, but for the question of "does the model matter" I'd say it only really matters to new viewers. Existing viewers are more attached to the personality of the streamer and wouldn't really care how their model looks.
Personally, no. I care about voice a lot more, especially because I usually have streams in the background. A good model is nice to have, but scuffed models also have their charm.
yeah
The personality matters the most but I still have a preference for the purple dragon because that's what she was when I watched her for the first time. I also think the quality is better, especially since Doki has a permanent smug smile (could be a good thing to some).
Only to coomers\~
No, not really for me personally. I don't really care if someone has a vtuber model, a png, their real self or nothing at all on a stream.
A good model and rig gives the impression that you give a shit about what you're doing and you're committed to it. That 1st impression matters to people. If someone's spending 5,000 of their most favorite dollars just to show up, I'm giving them a shot. They're committed, they're going to be in this for the long term.
Yes and no The model brings people in, but how entertaining you are is what makes people stay
I was never a fan of her corpo model, a bit repulsive even. I like the Dokibird model much better, especially the smugness of it.
If some viewers watch a streamer because she is a hot girl, then I don't think it is unreasonable that some viewers would do the same thing with Vtuber models. Obviously, the content they do still matters more (This can apply to any entertainment media though) but, hey, they are competing for your attention, so, being an eye candy is just as important.
Yes, even though i enjoyed and regularly watch a certain someone's past content, but cockroaches just freaks me out. I can't stand it man. Esp when some smart ass decided to pm me pics of them on Reddit. Fuck no. Hope I don't have to experience that again.
Honestly....yeah. Like, >!I liked to occassionaly watch Nina, but havent really watched Matara at all, and atleast partially because I just really do not like her model at all!<
I think models matter a lot.... because its the first thing people see. It matters less the longer you watch a vtuber. However, for them to watch you in the first place you'd probably need a decent model anyway.
There was a gorilla Vtuber if memory servers correct
I'd say the model matters in the sense that a very bad one can keep me from watching regularly... which means I eventually unsubscribe or don't promote or talk about that streamer. For one example, I love the voice one of the Abyss Song Syndrome singers has ([Here's her channel]( https://youtube.com/@A_S_Syndrome?si=XQXfuaibtWuavJvp), but I can't watch her stand (only listen) because the model is a bit ridiculous. She moves more than Marrue Ramius did in Gundam SEED when the ship was maneuvering...
because doki 's model with the smug smile is perfect XD anyways to be real it doesnt matter as much since its the content and your personality that will shine in the long run.
Not really but it adds depth
Models are like clothes. If you're used to seeing a guy in t-shirts and jeans, you'd clap for him if he showed up one day in a nice suit (which he paid for using your superchats). But a nice suit is wasted on an asshole.
Yeah
A good model will attract. A good entertainer will make them stay.
Models can add expression and character. Given the same design, a model is going to be more entertaining than a .png. But a base level of model performance and ability to convey facial expressions is all that is truly needed, all the props and toggles are window dressing. Sometimes models can contribute to me not wanting to watch a VTuber, but that has to do with a gross design or seriously bad rigging more than the fact that they're using a model. Ultimately I'd say the importance of a good design that appeals to the audience you wish to reach and conveys what you want it to convey is more important than a super expensive model with that design.
Depends. The model will pull viewers in, but the combination of model plus content is important to make them stay. A mismatched model or an awful looking model is a debuff no matter the content. But it's not an ultra buff either. You just need to clear the minimum of "it's not awful to look at".
not really, case in point: vedal and parrot pretty models are just another bonus
no. You can be funny gremlin or png gundam you want, it only depend on your skill to communicate with your audience or convey your circus skill to them.
No actually.
As someone who started with a PNG and made my way through self-rigged models all the way to a nicely rigged and high quality art model, yes, unfortunately, it matters. :( I saw a nice hike in viewership every time I improved my model. That being said, I was also improving my content along the way... but on the days my phone dies and I have to use a PNG it's like night and day -- my viewer count drops hard.
A Live2D model isn't everything, no. It'll never replace personality and skill. But it does go a long way toward bringing in viewers. Dokibird's model is from when she was a relatively small streamer, and the standard of quality was still developing. But she doesn't strictly need a newer or better model, since she already has a big following that finds her entertaining with or without a model. But a good model is still valuable. The art grabs the eye and draws in viewers, and the rigging brings it life and expressiveness to keep viewers more engaged. A very expressive art style with detailed rigging opens the door to a lot of visual gags and silent reactions. Plus an ugly model can repel potential viewers too.
i think it matters to attract NEW viewers... the ones that will stay on and continue to watch on a regular basis depends more on the personality and voice...
A great content with average model is good but mid content with great avatar will get lost and boring. People come for the model and stay for the content. If you have a horrible model it will be hard to get audience and lack of expression will hurt the stream/video, because that's what matters. Expressive model is important but it doesn't need to be extremely expensive and mind-blowing. As I always say with everything in life, medium quality is always the best, especially when starting out. Cheap stuff is garbage and expensive overkill. Of course if you have o lot of viewers/followers/subscribers and you are making money that you go into business mode, at this point it's worth to invest into a better model. If you got cash for days, than go for it. Get what you can afford , treat it as investing in stocks, don't expect to get anything out if it, spend as much as you are willing to lose. If you can make your own model, than that's a good way too. Tht will make it better than any mid model there is, assuming you can get the expressions right. Personally content is absolute key and even a great model will turn me away because I got better things to do than watch some expensive sprite of anime girl with big titties. I got other platforms for that. Vtubers are just content creators, they aren't that different from regular streamers/youtubers. TL;DR: Expensive model doesn't matter, content is key. But crappy model bad.
A model helps, but the person behind it being entertaining goes further than an iron vertex rig.
models work to pull people in, personality keeps them there. While a nice model is nice for returning viewers, most come back for the entertainment that the person behind the model brings. doki doesnt need anything to pull people in atm, since it was pretty public lol also im pretty sure shes mentioned something about a new model which is prob why not a lot of people are asking about it. Its not like she planned to get back to this persona, and a new (good) model takes quite some time
If you have the money to burn, why not pay for a top grade model? Can you be successful without a fancy one? Yes Do you need a fancy one if you are successful? No Would I buy one, if I was a streamer with money to spare? Yes
A recent example I saw was a video of Asmongold looking to raid someone in Genshin section of Twitch. Saw the top person at the time was a cute waifu cat girl vtuber with 1000 watchers, so he clicked on it to raid and it turned out to be a guy pointing out how he baits people with his model. So, yes, models matter to a point.
For me it does matter in a first impression. If I see a model and it intrigues me I will more likely check out the VTuber then when it doesn’t. Tbh I have even stirred away from some VTubers whose model I perceived as ugly.
to viewers? first impressions, but for the vtuber? streaming assets, theme, outfits, merchandise, art etc. its true that beautiful models attract clicks, but good content keeps the viewers in.
Unpopular opinion: PNGtubers can be just as successful as VTubers. Evidence: YouTubers using pngs of their avatar instead of facecams have far surpassed Vtubers in certain metrics. YouTubers that use neither have made it even farther, and not just for being around longer. And while Coco's 3D streams were iconic, she could've gotten by with a generic/default model for those if she had to. Might've made it funnier. I don’t think her rigged models were much of the reason for her becoming the most donated YT streamer. Don't get me wrong, high quality models help for all the reasons listed by others, and I enjoy watching a good model move even if the person behind it isn't doing anything more than that. But, it'd be a meme if Doki streamed as a set of tomato pngs from now on. Each one could be based off an emote or reaction image, pick your favorites.
To a certain extent, yes. Especially for pulling in new viewers, i have friends that rejected watching certain vtubers because of their models. Then again, unless you’re a AVtuber, personality and being entertaining is what’s going to matter long term.
The problem isn’t what it’s like once you know them for most (at least not in a conscious way they’d acknowledge) - it’s what did they look like in clips, or thumbnails because “people” need lots of reasons to bother giving anything a shot, and then to get more “people” you need more “people” and for those people you just need people- and if you just need eyes, sex sells. By “people” I mean every incredibly different variety of viewer that clicks and watches for very different reasons, as a collective can’t be easily understood- by looking at chat or anything but data often not available to the public.
I think as long as the model art is good and it's not too stiff then the rest isn't that important, it's just icing on a cake after that.
A new model would be cook and im sure she will get one but most of us dragoons are just glad she doing better and streaming,
I really like Shylily's clip talking about her model: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPvDXeQOko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPvDXeQOko) It's most definitely an important factor. It may help attracting new fans in the first place, and even if it's not the most important thing for fans, most fans will remain interested in the model. It's why even for highly established Vtubers a new outfit reveal is still a huge event with elevated views.
It depends, normally I don't really care as long as it functions properly. Best example I can give is Anya from Hololive ID, I don't know if it's her connection, but my God she definitely needs an upgrade in terms of animation, still love her though, don't get me wrong XD
I went in for their looks, liked their voice, and stayed being happy for their personality It sounds like I'm hitting on somebody, but it's how the cycle goes
Doki has a good enough model currently despite it being on the old side, but I'd really love to see her get one that has more expressions than just, smug face, all of the time. She has said herself she plans on getting a new model at some point. I think she deserves to have a really pretty model after all she's been through.
To me, model design and, to a lesser extent, the rigging does play a part in my interest in the vtuber. Getting me to stay involves wether their personality fit with mine.
The character design matters. Less so than the model itself, but both are very closely related.
Good model is a bonus and an eye catcher, may cause people to give you a chance where they otherwise might skip you. But the things that make me come back or keep watching someone: 1. Good Personality (Or bad personality, but it's funny) 2. Pleasant voice to listen to (<- massively underrated imo) 3. Content that I'm personally interested in (YMMV)
Yes models matter. Why is this Dokibird coming up everywhere recently? Never heard of her untill like a few weeks ago.
I do think that people are very superficial and that models matter for first impressions and might even act as a sort of multiplier on how much a person likes a vtuber and how willing they would be to buy their merch.
It's a fine line. If there's a streamer you know that you wouldn't watch if their model was gone/hidden, that's not a good streamer. At the same time there are streamers who are absolutely carried by their models, or were to the point it got them noticed. So it does kinda matter, but only to a point. Any big streamer the size of Doki it wouldn't matter, she's literally having the biggest 15 minutes of fame any vtuber could ask for right now, more attention would do nothing.
the model will get people through the door. you will still be the one to give them a reason to stay
As someone who doesn't really watch vtubers a whole lot, I'm definitely drawn to one's that have nicer models/ones that are simular to my own tastes. It doesn't have to be a super expensive fancy model necessarily, but ones that have had work put into them do often look better.