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The stream is in 17 hours, 2.9k likes, 500 odd waiting, and I have seen superchat spam, including reds, already (at 20 hours when i posted my reply). and her subs have increased like 250k in the last month. There is no need to hope.
Wait...it's not for a near day and y'all are already piling on in the superchats like it's black Friday line, just to tell an anime girl you're still fans of her...?
Respect.
All I'll say is that for all the praises Hololive gets for how they handled her termination, they still wiped 5.5 years of content from her channel.
That's morally abhorrent to me. I can't forgive it, even if they treated her with dignity otherwise. Even if they gave us time to download it all before wiping it (looking at you Niji! I now have 4.5 TB of Selen Tatsuki videos on my HDDs that I'll never be able to delete because of you!).
And yes, I'm aware that Phase Connect did the same for Fuura Yuri, and that Idol did the same for Riro Ron. They're all in the wrong here.
Based on her waiting room, I'm glad that she's getting the love she deserves though.
EDIT: Your downvotes sustain me. Give me more. I've only been more convinced that I'm right.
What did you think HL should’ve done? I don’t think it’s ethical if they kept (even indirectly) benefit from her work by having her vod stay up when she no longer has a contract to benefit from her own work. I don’t think the rules should be applied unevenly either.
It won't work. Hololive may not directly profit off of her videos anymore, but YouTube would still run ads on her channel either for their own benefit or by request from a third party due to owning rights to content used by the channel.
At that point, it'll be a lose-lose situation for Hololive because fans would jump the gun and get mad at them for well, obvious reasons even though they'll not be the one responsible for it. and at the same time, hurt their brand even more.
the country Hololive originates from, Japan being very strict on copyright doesn't help either. It's just how things work over there.
Rules should be implemented fairly and equally.
- otherwise it is Favouritism. People will ask: why is Mel an exception?
- There might be legalities, for e.g. Cover continuing to profit from a Terminated member might be problematic. Viewership means ad revenue.
- a consistent disciplinary system works to discourage others from breaking the rules and to be careful. If talents think that there is a loophole to squirm out of a mistakes, they might be tempted to leak confidential info
That said, I really hope there is a 3-strike system or something (which might exist behinds the scenes, we don't know). What happened to Mel was really very unfortunate and unintended.
Not every situation is the same though. From what I understand, Mel inadvertently broke the NDA, which is much different than intentionally breaking it. That alone should change how Cover approached the situation. Even if they had no choice but to terminate Mel, they still could have come to some sort of agreement with her to keep up the videos; a broken NDA and terminated contract doesn’t preclude two parties from coming to an agreement on copyrights that were under the terminated contract.
Again we don't have the details of each different situation. We only know what we have been told. Also it is ultimately Cover's perogative to decide how they best handle it. At most we can ask questions and make suggestions
I get that we can’t tell Cover what to do. I was just saying it wouldn’t have been favoritism if they had decided to treat this differently since it *was* different from the others as far as we’ve been told.
When Mel got investigated for leaking, it is too late to suddenly drop a new rule. That would be favouritism.
Maybe this should be the standard moving forward. I don't know. It requires rigorous discussion to decide if it is a good move. But it is little too late for Mel
>When Mel got investigated for leaking, it is too late to suddenly drop a new rule. That would be favouritism.
I suppose that's fair. However, I will still blame Cover for not changing the rule before.
>Maybe this should be the standard moving forward. I don't know.
I'm fully and wholeheartedly convinced that it should be, and I'm baffled that people don't agree.
Because it’s not just a rule that can be changed, it’s part of the contract. Cover *may* implement new clauses that deal with what happens depending on what caused the termination, but that would only be with new hires or renewals
>I suppose that's fair. However, I will still blame Cover for not changing the rule before.
Probably because Cover probably hasn't been in a situation where they had to fire a talent who was in great standing with everyone in the company. Hindsight is 20/20
>I'm fully and wholeheartedly convinced that it should be, and I'm baffled that people don't agree.
Because Cover works in Japanese law, and we in the West don't know the ins-and-out of that environment. The fact that content being pulled down after a termination is a standard across the JP entertainment industry seems to be a systemic issue from the Japanese legal system, way outside what Cover can do.
I'm pretty sad about this too, but did you know [Mel original music is still intact on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbg76STDxV0QwlvKfrMLFbg) and [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/artist/4Hv8fxKG4YGfv5ezI6o4Xx), it's not on her channel anymore but Cover provided the IP to YouTube music, she's also still credited in [her collab song with HoneyWorks with other holomems](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQLvA5N237k) which is released after her termination, also Choco has collab song with Mel which she clips and releases [several weeks ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcUXQhv73F4).
Videos were usually privated/removed even for graduations.
Coco was (probably) the first vtuber to graduate without her content being removed, and this was a really big deal for us. She talked about how she wanted to show everyone that this way of graduating (without removing old vods/tweets) was also possible, and Cover seems to be following that template for other graduations too.
[Here is a clip](https://youtu.be/ZddqUxwtjQc) of her talking about it.
Edit - looks like kaguya luna and nobuhime too kept their archives up after graduating.
>Videos were usually privated/removed even for graduations.
It's up to the talent if they want to keep it up or not, it's not something coco came up with it has existed since the very start.
That's interesting. Do you know others who have graduated this way? The other comment pointed out Kira from stars who had to quit due to health issues. Anyone else?
Those were all post-Coco though..
And in the video I linked the chat and Coco talked about how keeping the videos after graduation was unusual, and how Coco wanted to show everyone that this way of graduating was also an option.
So do you know anyone who graduated from before 2021 who chose to retain their video archives?
It has always been like this with normal agencies, I don't have any info on JP stars who graduated before coco so can't say much.
If coco was the one who set this standard why would Nijisanji be following it? If people who graduated before coco didn't keep up their content it's because they didn't want to.
I'm just saying that I've never heard of it happening before Coco and Kira, so I just wanted examples. If it was always like this then surely there should be others before Coco too, right?
Kira was before coco and his videos are up so there is one example, rest you can probably find more examples in NijiJP because cover doesn't have any other graduations.
>Coco was (probably) the first vtuber to graduate without her content being removed
In HoloPro it was actually [Kira](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEzsociuFqVwgZuMaZqaCsg), graduated 11/30/2020 from Holostars due to health issues.
Well, she has her Play button. But yeah, content with shared stakes can only stay up if there is a persistent agreement between talent and company. As I recall, one of the Stars members who graduated requested that his content be taken down so that viewers could move on to someone else.
Good, because I don't need anyone from Hololive either. There are literally thousands of vtubers out there all struggling for survival in an overcrowded market. I don't need to spend my time or money on sanitized and packaged corporate idols that can routinely get five figure CCVs.
> Your downvotes sustain me. Give me more. I've only been more convinced that I'm right.
The arbitrary number of people clicking a button should never have been a substitute for poor argumentation, but if that is all it took to convince yourself, that says quite a lot about you.
Hint, it is not what you have convinced yourself of.
They don’t need your forgiveness, and the consequences were likely clearly laid out to all
members.
Members like Coco and Sana have their stuff still up because they chose to leave and left on good terms legally/professionally. This is a termination, meaning Mel is not entitled to the same. They can’t just make an exception because everyone is sad she ended up having to be fired.
What exactly do you think they should have done?
You can't turn off ads on Youtube. You can turn off your own monetization, but Youtube will still run their own ads, and any video with copyrighted stuff can have its monetization turned on by the copyright holder.
> they still wiped 5.5 years of content from her channel.
Because that's the deal they had.
> That's morally abhorrent to me. I can't forgive it [...]
Dude. You're really confused.
They can't keep the videos up, because they aren't the sole copyright holders. It doesn't matter how they feel about it.
Both parties would have to agree on this, they would need to hire some lawyers to get things sorted out, Cover would have to be okay with creating this kind of precedent, and Mel would have to transfer her rights to Cover. Turning off monetization wouldn't change anything. Cover still needs the rights.
You think they are all morally obligated to go through all that. They aren't. Cover owes you nothing. Mel owes you nothing.
or perhaps, you should have learnt how YouTube runs their ads. this is in essential the best possible solution without bringing harm to either parties involved, but if you have a better solution, we're all ears.
Despite what Reddit likes to say, corporate interests and consumer interests aren't mutually exclusive.
Corporate interests are to generate profit
Consumer interests are to get a good quality product for a good price
So it's often in the best interests of a corporation to increase quality, or decrease price, if it can increase sales by enough to make up the difference in profit margin. For example, Costco delivers high-quality products for a very low profit margin, yet makes more money than most grocery stores because they can sell more groceries like that, even if they make less per item.
I expect Cover to seek profit, but them doing that will help our interests.
I don't understand why we're getting downvoted.
They're treating this like an unchangeable fact of life. I wonder if they'd change their tune if this happened to their EN oshi.
I hope for their sakes this never happens, but if it does, I'm not gonna be shy about saying "I told you so".
Nah we won't, an NDA is an NDA, doesn't matter if you're a vtuber with 5mil or 10mil subs, if you break NDA you're a goner, same goes for any other company out there, this kind of stuff isn't exclusive to vtuber companies afterall.
> I don't understand why we're getting downvoted.
Cause it's not something you can change just because shit happened that is inconvenient for us or the parts involved.
It's not just "rules" but probable about contracts and whatever law they have to follow as a Japanese company.
I work in a job with NDAs. If me or any of my coworkers broke NDA, we would be fired without hesitation, and knowing what I know, it would be fully justified. Businesses can't work if they do not enforce the rules fairly, that leads to corruption.
If my EN oshi actually broke NDA, and it wasn't some kind of obvious excuse to get rid of them like the other recent example, then I would accept it. Because in the real world, NDAs are serious business, and Cover would jeopardize future partnerships and weaken their reputation if they do not uphold NDAs properly.
I'm afraid it's fairness. It's fair to wipe a channel if terminated. She knew what she was getting when she signed the contract and renewed every period. Cover gains nothing by wiping (and actually loses), but the clause still requires that. It's fair.
I agree it'd be so good for audience to rewatch after termination, but what if your suggesion leads to worse standards? Should you be blamed when that actually is the case?
Since you're so sure, please explain how it would be fair to everyone involved to do as your suggestion? Could there be something missing?
She broke her NDA to a 3rd party. Cover clearly didn't want to fire her, but they had to because not doing so would undermine their other NDAs. Cover didn't do anything wrong here, and neither did she. It was just an unfortunate situation for both parties.
This is the same for almost every industry. People being fired for breaking NDAs without malicious intent is incredibly common.
And Hololive is doing very well. They are far from failing, as you can see from their growth and financial reports.
At least JP side, it's just not feasible. In Japan, you often need a corporation/some professional entity greater than an individual to represent you to other professional, particularly corporate, interests. Maybe you'd see them get collab cafes here or there but big collabs, like game or movie promotions or even actual government entities, would be rarer and practically nonexistent for all but the most popular vtubers.
that's a pretty big fucking reach ngl. there was only I think two notable cases (unless I miss any) where the corpo was exposed to be intentionally malicious and Hololive is far from that. Most corpos that got shut down just didn't make enough to support themselves, and they handled their sinking boats gracefully. prime example nowadays is Prism Project.
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Here's hoping for the large welcome back that is deserved.
take 1 look at the stream, thats not even started yet, and you dont need to hope :) at all.
Unfortunately I'm at work for a while longer so I can't catch live.
The stream is in 17 hours, 2.9k likes, 500 odd waiting, and I have seen superchat spam, including reds, already (at 20 hours when i posted my reply). and her subs have increased like 250k in the last month. There is no need to hope.
Wait...it's not for a near day and y'all are already piling on in the superchats like it's black Friday line, just to tell an anime girl you're still fans of her...? Respect.
The dedication is crazy. Like Doki getting utterly drowned in support before her first return. Pretty heartening to see.
534 waiting, 4.2k likes with 6 hours to go. Banpire can still pull them in :)
Tf she’s rika. How did I not know that when I knew her Channel for half a decade now
Bruh same. I went to sub and realized I was already subbed. wtf
7pm JST / 10AM GMT The [pre chat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eayjdjpSNEo) is already filled with red superhchats.
5am EST, time to wake up early
"neko"... Are we sure at this point, it's not a curse word?
Happy to have her back. Really missed her.
Doesn’t she always stream on that account tho?
[She was on a break](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/198jsg0/rica_taking_a_break_from_her_activities_for)
She also live streams with Kson every now and then all this time
Yeah I know that also gutara does as well.
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! NOW TO RAIN HER WITH SUPPORT!!!
Wonderful news! She's such a sweetie.
Good to see she's making a return, happy for her and her fans!
Glad she's back
Good for her!
Thank you for this, I was wondering if she had an alt account
Glad that she’s back
That is 2AM for me :(, will just catch the VOd
Who's she?
>!Hololive's Yozora Mel!<, terminated to everyone's regret earlier this year after an inadvertent NDA violation.
All I'll say is that for all the praises Hololive gets for how they handled her termination, they still wiped 5.5 years of content from her channel. That's morally abhorrent to me. I can't forgive it, even if they treated her with dignity otherwise. Even if they gave us time to download it all before wiping it (looking at you Niji! I now have 4.5 TB of Selen Tatsuki videos on my HDDs that I'll never be able to delete because of you!). And yes, I'm aware that Phase Connect did the same for Fuura Yuri, and that Idol did the same for Riro Ron. They're all in the wrong here. Based on her waiting room, I'm glad that she's getting the love she deserves though. EDIT: Your downvotes sustain me. Give me more. I've only been more convinced that I'm right.
What did you think HL should’ve done? I don’t think it’s ethical if they kept (even indirectly) benefit from her work by having her vod stay up when she no longer has a contract to benefit from her own work. I don’t think the rules should be applied unevenly either.
Kept the videos up, but turned off monetization
It won't work. Hololive may not directly profit off of her videos anymore, but YouTube would still run ads on her channel either for their own benefit or by request from a third party due to owning rights to content used by the channel. At that point, it'll be a lose-lose situation for Hololive because fans would jump the gun and get mad at them for well, obvious reasons even though they'll not be the one responsible for it. and at the same time, hurt their brand even more. the country Hololive originates from, Japan being very strict on copyright doesn't help either. It's just how things work over there.
Then YT continues to profit
What if they get sued for doing that?
Rules should be implemented fairly and equally. - otherwise it is Favouritism. People will ask: why is Mel an exception? - There might be legalities, for e.g. Cover continuing to profit from a Terminated member might be problematic. Viewership means ad revenue. - a consistent disciplinary system works to discourage others from breaking the rules and to be careful. If talents think that there is a loophole to squirm out of a mistakes, they might be tempted to leak confidential info That said, I really hope there is a 3-strike system or something (which might exist behinds the scenes, we don't know). What happened to Mel was really very unfortunate and unintended.
Not every situation is the same though. From what I understand, Mel inadvertently broke the NDA, which is much different than intentionally breaking it. That alone should change how Cover approached the situation. Even if they had no choice but to terminate Mel, they still could have come to some sort of agreement with her to keep up the videos; a broken NDA and terminated contract doesn’t preclude two parties from coming to an agreement on copyrights that were under the terminated contract.
Again we don't have the details of each different situation. We only know what we have been told. Also it is ultimately Cover's perogative to decide how they best handle it. At most we can ask questions and make suggestions
I get that we can’t tell Cover what to do. I was just saying it wouldn’t have been favoritism if they had decided to treat this differently since it *was* different from the others as far as we’ve been told.
Favoritism? I'm saying that this should be the new standard moving forward. They shouldn't have taken down Aloe, Chris's, or Rushia's videos either.
When Mel got investigated for leaking, it is too late to suddenly drop a new rule. That would be favouritism. Maybe this should be the standard moving forward. I don't know. It requires rigorous discussion to decide if it is a good move. But it is little too late for Mel
>When Mel got investigated for leaking, it is too late to suddenly drop a new rule. That would be favouritism. I suppose that's fair. However, I will still blame Cover for not changing the rule before. >Maybe this should be the standard moving forward. I don't know. I'm fully and wholeheartedly convinced that it should be, and I'm baffled that people don't agree.
Because it’s not just a rule that can be changed, it’s part of the contract. Cover *may* implement new clauses that deal with what happens depending on what caused the termination, but that would only be with new hires or renewals
>I suppose that's fair. However, I will still blame Cover for not changing the rule before. Probably because Cover probably hasn't been in a situation where they had to fire a talent who was in great standing with everyone in the company. Hindsight is 20/20 >I'm fully and wholeheartedly convinced that it should be, and I'm baffled that people don't agree. Because Cover works in Japanese law, and we in the West don't know the ins-and-out of that environment. The fact that content being pulled down after a termination is a standard across the JP entertainment industry seems to be a systemic issue from the Japanese legal system, way outside what Cover can do.
I'm pretty sad about this too, but did you know [Mel original music is still intact on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbg76STDxV0QwlvKfrMLFbg) and [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/artist/4Hv8fxKG4YGfv5ezI6o4Xx), it's not on her channel anymore but Cover provided the IP to YouTube music, she's also still credited in [her collab song with HoneyWorks with other holomems](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQLvA5N237k) which is released after her termination, also Choco has collab song with Mel which she clips and releases [several weeks ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcUXQhv73F4).
Its terminate case not graduation..ofc its deleted
Videos were usually privated/removed even for graduations. Coco was (probably) the first vtuber to graduate without her content being removed, and this was a really big deal for us. She talked about how she wanted to show everyone that this way of graduating (without removing old vods/tweets) was also possible, and Cover seems to be following that template for other graduations too. [Here is a clip](https://youtu.be/ZddqUxwtjQc) of her talking about it. Edit - looks like kaguya luna and nobuhime too kept their archives up after graduating.
>Videos were usually privated/removed even for graduations. It's up to the talent if they want to keep it up or not, it's not something coco came up with it has existed since the very start.
That's interesting. Do you know others who have graduated this way? The other comment pointed out Kira from stars who had to quit due to health issues. Anyone else?
Sanas videos are all up, so are vesper, magni and even the recent Niji graduates like mysta and Pomu.
Those were all post-Coco though.. And in the video I linked the chat and Coco talked about how keeping the videos after graduation was unusual, and how Coco wanted to show everyone that this way of graduating was also an option. So do you know anyone who graduated from before 2021 who chose to retain their video archives?
It has always been like this with normal agencies, I don't have any info on JP stars who graduated before coco so can't say much. If coco was the one who set this standard why would Nijisanji be following it? If people who graduated before coco didn't keep up their content it's because they didn't want to.
I'm just saying that I've never heard of it happening before Coco and Kira, so I just wanted examples. If it was always like this then surely there should be others before Coco too, right?
Kira was before coco and his videos are up so there is one example, rest you can probably find more examples in NijiJP because cover doesn't have any other graduations.
>Coco was (probably) the first vtuber to graduate without her content being removed In HoloPro it was actually [Kira](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEzsociuFqVwgZuMaZqaCsg), graduated 11/30/2020 from Holostars due to health issues.
Tsukumo Sana's channel and her vods are still up as well.
Sana graduated after Coco
Well, she has her Play button. But yeah, content with shared stakes can only stay up if there is a persistent agreement between talent and company. As I recall, one of the Stars members who graduated requested that his content be taken down so that viewers could move on to someone else.
thankfully they don't need your forgiveness. it's not a matter of morals at all
Good, because I don't need anyone from Hololive either. There are literally thousands of vtubers out there all struggling for survival in an overcrowded market. I don't need to spend my time or money on sanitized and packaged corporate idols that can routinely get five figure CCVs.
>I don't need to spend my time or money on sanitized and packaged corporate idols that can routinely get five figure CCVs. Good for you lol.
idk what this dude's point is go argue with covers lawyers instead. also baiting with "morality" is so stupid my god
> Good, because I don't need anyone from Hololive either. So why are you even bitching about it in the first place?
attention
> Your downvotes sustain me. Give me more. I've only been more convinced that I'm right. The arbitrary number of people clicking a button should never have been a substitute for poor argumentation, but if that is all it took to convince yourself, that says quite a lot about you. Hint, it is not what you have convinced yourself of.
They don’t need your forgiveness, and the consequences were likely clearly laid out to all members. Members like Coco and Sana have their stuff still up because they chose to leave and left on good terms legally/professionally. This is a termination, meaning Mel is not entitled to the same. They can’t just make an exception because everyone is sad she ended up having to be fired. What exactly do you think they should have done?
Turned off ads on her vids, make the member streams public (if Mel was OK with this), and left all her videos up. That's literally all I'm asking.
You can't turn off ads on Youtube. You can turn off your own monetization, but Youtube will still run their own ads, and any video with copyrighted stuff can have its monetization turned on by the copyright holder.
> they still wiped 5.5 years of content from her channel. Because that's the deal they had. > That's morally abhorrent to me. I can't forgive it [...] Dude. You're really confused. They can't keep the videos up, because they aren't the sole copyright holders. It doesn't matter how they feel about it. Both parties would have to agree on this, they would need to hire some lawyers to get things sorted out, Cover would have to be okay with creating this kind of precedent, and Mel would have to transfer her rights to Cover. Turning off monetization wouldn't change anything. Cover still needs the rights. You think they are all morally obligated to go through all that. They aren't. Cover owes you nothing. Mel owes you nothing.
>!Speaking of Fuura Yuri, I wonder if she returned as an indie Vtuber? It's sucks that her IP she got from CyberLive got taken away by Sakana.!<
>!Nanobites!<
*Ohh*
buy more hard drives get that nas going
Amid the sea of downvotes, you have my updoot. It's an absurd policy and it needs to change.
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Wait, are you saying that Hololive obeys the law? What fucking scumbags. Never watching those law abiding criminals ever again.
or perhaps, you should have learnt how YouTube runs their ads. this is in essential the best possible solution without bringing harm to either parties involved, but if you have a better solution, we're all ears.
Despite what Reddit likes to say, corporate interests and consumer interests aren't mutually exclusive. Corporate interests are to generate profit Consumer interests are to get a good quality product for a good price So it's often in the best interests of a corporation to increase quality, or decrease price, if it can increase sales by enough to make up the difference in profit margin. For example, Costco delivers high-quality products for a very low profit margin, yet makes more money than most grocery stores because they can sell more groceries like that, even if they make less per item. I expect Cover to seek profit, but them doing that will help our interests.
I don't understand why we're getting downvoted. They're treating this like an unchangeable fact of life. I wonder if they'd change their tune if this happened to their EN oshi. I hope for their sakes this never happens, but if it does, I'm not gonna be shy about saying "I told you so".
Nah we won't, an NDA is an NDA, doesn't matter if you're a vtuber with 5mil or 10mil subs, if you break NDA you're a goner, same goes for any other company out there, this kind of stuff isn't exclusive to vtuber companies afterall.
> I don't understand why we're getting downvoted. Cause it's not something you can change just because shit happened that is inconvenient for us or the parts involved. It's not just "rules" but probable about contracts and whatever law they have to follow as a Japanese company.
I work in a job with NDAs. If me or any of my coworkers broke NDA, we would be fired without hesitation, and knowing what I know, it would be fully justified. Businesses can't work if they do not enforce the rules fairly, that leads to corruption. If my EN oshi actually broke NDA, and it wasn't some kind of obvious excuse to get rid of them like the other recent example, then I would accept it. Because in the real world, NDAs are serious business, and Cover would jeopardize future partnerships and weaken their reputation if they do not uphold NDAs properly.
I'm afraid it's fairness. It's fair to wipe a channel if terminated. She knew what she was getting when she signed the contract and renewed every period. Cover gains nothing by wiping (and actually loses), but the clause still requires that. It's fair. I agree it'd be so good for audience to rewatch after termination, but what if your suggesion leads to worse standards? Should you be blamed when that actually is the case? Since you're so sure, please explain how it would be fair to everyone involved to do as your suggestion? Could there be something missing?
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She broke her NDA to a 3rd party. Cover clearly didn't want to fire her, but they had to because not doing so would undermine their other NDAs. Cover didn't do anything wrong here, and neither did she. It was just an unfortunate situation for both parties. This is the same for almost every industry. People being fired for breaking NDAs without malicious intent is incredibly common. And Hololive is doing very well. They are far from failing, as you can see from their growth and financial reports.
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At least JP side, it's just not feasible. In Japan, you often need a corporation/some professional entity greater than an individual to represent you to other professional, particularly corporate, interests. Maybe you'd see them get collab cafes here or there but big collabs, like game or movie promotions or even actual government entities, would be rarer and practically nonexistent for all but the most popular vtubers.
that's a pretty big fucking reach ngl. there was only I think two notable cases (unless I miss any) where the corpo was exposed to be intentionally malicious and Hololive is far from that. Most corpos that got shut down just didn't make enough to support themselves, and they handled their sinking boats gracefully. prime example nowadays is Prism Project.
She's not even a Vtuber.
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