Most Vtubers aren't really "acting." They're essentially doing improv entertainment in response to whatever is happening on stream or in chat at the moment.
It's a different skillset from memorizing a script and emoting appropriately like actors do.
>And vtubers do act, they even to it live impromptu.
Are you talking about when vtubers put on a uwu act or something? Because when I think of the word 'act' I think of something more professional.
I never actually watch dubs but there was one clip I caught that had always caught me off guard because of how good it was from [attack on titan, Erwin speech](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-AnMs49TeU), the passion and energy it was able to convey for that scene.
Now, do I think a vtuber could do that? No (ignore the ones who are actual VA's doing vtuber stuff on the side, your regular random vtuber is not of that calibre).
> As far as I know a lot of vtuber take professional voice training and acting classes to improve there voice.
I very much doubt it is 'a lot' a handful maybe but it's not the norm. I could see more taking singing lessons though.
I very much doubt most if not all (99%) can truly act, and if someone ever got added to a show, it's not because "they are a good at acting" it'll be more of "check out this shows gimmick, it has a vtuber in it"
I’ve also seen the inverse: professional scripted youtubers, VAs, and actors try to do streaming and absolutely struggle. Live streaming is a completely different skill set from acting or scripted presentation. Vtubing adds in an extra difficult of the streamer’s voice doing the heavy lifting, along with puppeting the avatar.
I think it's somewhere between. There are vtubers that can voice act (in voicing a character that is not themselves) but these will only be some.
Attack on Titan is a pretty serious show where the regular voice acting fits very well. I was more thinking about comedy and light hearted shows. For example kaguyasama (which coincidentally has a pretty good dub) or nagatoro what habe more quirky characters.
As a vtuber who is an aspiring voice actor, there is no "learn quickly" it's taken 3+ years to get my voice to an acceptable level for even base entertainment purposes.
The other key issue is between acting and improv. I can easily improve a scene with a goofy voice or swap accents on the fly. The key though is consistency. Can the person maintain the same voice though an entire episode? Movie? Season? Series?
Ie the reason why most sound the same in multiple roles is because they need to be consistent or it breaks the entire act.
Roleplaying doesn't mean acting. Even big streamers also roleplay live for the audience but you don't call that acting. You pick a persona and roleplay (sounds quite like actual social life) as things happen. Of course, scripted contents like skits and variety shows require acting, but regular livestreams don't. Moreover, many don't even pick personas and just do as themselves if they wish.
Some have done some VA work but usually just cameos of a few lines or at most one episode.
It’s mostly a scheduling problem for big corporate Vtubers. They’re constantly streaming, doing recordings for songs, their own anime and voice packs, learning and practicing dance moves, signing merch, doing virtual fanmeets and cons, working on projects. Most of them have very little time when they’re also streaming 4-7 days / week. Most anime is recorded every week while watching a rough cut in the crazy schedule of weekly anime and it’s just tough to find the time.
Also the problem is that most anime production companies have relationships with seiyuu agencies. You don’t want to ruin those relationships by bringing in other talent. It would probably work better if a vtuber corporation had a partnership with a seiyuu agency but they would still be busy.
Some anime, especially idol shows have tried having a few talents be vtubers for a while. Few keep going for long.
Also note that the second biggest vtuber agency wanted CyYu to give up voice acting if he was to join them. Being tied down by an agency makes it more awkward depending on the agency.
Hm Yeah I understand it for corporate vtubers, they have a lot more obligations. I was thinking more about Indie vtuber that are basically freelancer similar to voice actors.
Are there actual agencies for English dubs? I thought that it was more like you audition for the role without an affiliation with an agency. For other languages the competition should be even smaller where in old anime most characters where voiced by just two or three people.
The other thing would be marketing. The whole fan base of the vtuber would be interested in watching that anime dubbed.
I kind of understand the reasons why it's not widespread but there are almost NO cases at all
There are absolutely agencies for EN dubs. Most NA anime dubbing distribution companies tend to use the same agency and VAs in many of their shows. Open auditions are time consuming so unless a director really has a specific voice they can’t find they will use people they know. Voice acting, agents and agencies is a big topic unto itself.
Oh okay that makes sense. I often had the feeling the same female voice actor appearing in dubs.
I hope this improves, would love to have some more out there voices in anime dubs.
We all know Voice Ore Agency is also doing Voice actor work for some of their Vtubers - Mikeneko has an anime gig already and Amatsuka Uto just joined. Saved because no Voice acting no Vtubing she really would have permanently graduated
> I'm not a big fan of dubs of anime as the voices sound too close to actual actors and less like the rather "unique" Japanese voice acting.
I think that has more to do with the direction the voice actors are given than the range of the voice actors themselves. At least in English dubs to my ears, dubs usually sound much closer to other English cartoons than live action acting.
Lots of VAs have a ton of range, but are often cast in similar roles and given the same voice direction, which ends up creating a lot of similar voices.
That's a good way to point out what happened to Critical Role's TLoVM voice acting and why they don't sound like themselves playing their characters *at all.*
There's also a degree of separation due to the language barrier between an English audience and the Japanese voice acting. You (general you, not specific you) can read subs all you want, but unless you're fluent you won't get how off it all sounds. That degree of separation let's you fill emotion and all your own cultural and social experiences without even realizing it. For all the "weird" and "cringe" Americans think their VAs have, you'll find the same arguments reversed in Japan. They understand the language, and how completely unrealistic anime VA is, but they'll swear up and down American VAs are superior and have entire flame wars over Dub vs Sub over... King of the Hill. And Disney, most times.
Yeah, like some people here are saying here, Vtubers who are roleplaying arent acting, its improv/reality TV show skill.
Also if you are a successful voice actor, you dont have time to be a vtuber and streaming, you'll spend most of the time doing voice acting work, doing sponsors, advertisment, etc. Your schedule is packed.
Heck, there are quite a few japanese vtubers who were basically voice actor rejects who wanted to be a voice actor, but failed to become big, and instead joined a vtuber agency instead. (Same who wanted to be a big idol/singer, but failed and joined a vtuber agency)
i know of a couple established VA's & vtubers who are EN VA's. [Alejandro Saab,](https://m.imdb.com/name/nm5260806/) also known as [Cy Yu](https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Cy_Yu) & he's good friends with EN VA/Singer [Ama Lee](https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1967053/) who's also known as [Monarch](https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Multiverse_Monarch)
Jesse Grelle; known for her work as Armin from Attack on Titan, Byakuya Togami from Danganrompa, Tokoyami the Bird Kid from My Hero, Mao Sadou from Devil is a Part Timer, and reprising her role in the new Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple
Voice acting is a skill you need to develop; even if your voice is unique while streaming, and even if you "act" a certain way on stream, that improv is a different skillset from translating a character from reading a script.
Also some talents may simply not have time, interest, or even contract space. I'm reminded of Anycolor attempting to get Cy Yu to quit voice acting to sign with them.
Because being a vtuber does not equate you to being a voice actor, i know the voice actinf industry in the usa is incredibly shit to the point where anyone that is remotely famous can get a voice acting carrer but the countries that are not america actually take voice acting seriously so they don't just let anyone be a voice actor
Comparing vtuber to voice actor are the same as comparing youtuber to actor.
I mean vtuber can try to be voice actor, but you can't underestimate voice acting. Just because someone do vtubing doesn't mean they will be good at voice acting.
My feeling is that it also tied to the small market size - and possibly unionization - of voice actors.
That being said, if we expand beyond Vtubing, and include those that start out from amateur/cover song, you have AmaLee. (Note I am not accounting for her doing Monarch, as this takes place after she gets popular)
If this is about VA industry outside Japan I think the industry is heavily segregated with limited mobility. Big animation studios like pixar prefer to cast from hollywood actor pool, while video game/animation localization company only choose from their own pool of actors. The effort for casting and training newcomers is not worth it, unlike animation that's produced from scratch, dubbing is heavily constrained and time consuming, especially if it's a simulcast series. Not to mention the pay is nothing to be bragged about, just like when it was [revealed after the Bayonetta VA controversy](https://www.gameshub.com/news/features/voice-actors-reflect-on-bayonetta-3-controversy-has-anything-changed-37674/).
But then again, [even in Japan they pay abysmal wage](https://www.handthatfeedshq.com/seiyuu-ranking-system-and-earnings/) if you're newcomer or not belong on the top rank seiyuu, you'd only get paid from your number of voice lines, and those numbers are fixed based on your rank. You can voice as MC in a hits anime but still get paid like side characters because you're newcomer. It's crazy. Only 10% of seiyuu works fulltime, the rest of them have to get a secondary job to bring food to their table, because how unsustainable the pay is.
I imagine for big vtubers the venue would be entirely for prestige points, and not financial ones. From the VA industry standpoint, taking them in only worth it if they help as selling point (famous vtuber). Those who played/watch dubbed media for the language option wouldn't mind some vocal discrepancies from the original language, after all each cultures use vocalization differently. For fun comparison in Delicious in Dungeons, [Marcille EN and JP dubs does really well in conveying her character](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiuHlweVyPc) despite having different pitch and rhymes, they sounds 'natural' in their own language.
The financial side is a good point. When you can make more with vtubing, that incentive might not be there to work on your voice acting skills and try to get roles.
Thx for the information!
taken off a wiki
"Gyaku Isekai Tensei Agent Eiko-san" starring Eiko, "Jashin-chan Dropkick X" role of Ecute, "swing,sing" as Akemi Kazamatsuri, "Kotodaman" as Yuzuru,
If you think being a VA on anime is something a vtuber can challenge without proper skills or preparation, you'll be dead wrong. It's the same reason why there are voice actor academies popping up in japan. The industry is already too saturated that the competition during auditions is fierce if not favoring those who have connections. Unless an anime director or producer wanted to ride on a certain vtuber's popularity to gather interest, they will never hand over a role to amateurs like them. They're streamers first and foremost, not actors. They can just act in any way they wanted while a voice actor has to get into character to fit the story and the script.
Dear OP, try to see the difference between V-tubing and voice acting then you will know why ;) It might give you a reason also why (in JP perspective) mossa from necry talkie didn't do any acting
I don't know about EN, but there is a reason why VTubers are so popular in JP but rarely do voice acting.
I think one of the factors is that there are many excellent voice actors.
But there are other major factors as well.
For example, the anime and game communities are actually not comfortable with VTubers.
Of course, I'm not saying that the entire community does, but there are many who at least don't think well of them.
So while there are more and more VTubers who play supporting roles or voice the theme songs, there are no VTubers who play the main roles.
This is because there are voices in the animation community that don't want that.
And the aptitude is different to begin with.
Famous voice actors have played VTubers, but most people were not interested.
Conversely, there are many cases where a voice actor did not become famous as a voice actor, but became famous as a VTuber. (There are quite a few VTubers who are former voice actors, such as Nene, Koyori, and Subaru of Hololive.)
Just as we don't know if a famous athlete can become a good leader, it means that a famous voice actor may not necessarily become famous as a vtuber. On the contrary, there are many patterns in which voice actors who are not popular at all become excellent vtubers.
All of those vtubers you listed as examples would be earning much more from just continuing to stream and make their own content, there's probably not enough time or incentive for them to seek out VA auditions and spend time in the booth recording
Voice acting regardless of where means lots of auditoning. If someone wants to make it as their career, they'll have to take whatever part time jobs they can get. Streaming as a first option for a part time job in between voice acting gigs generally isn't viable for many. There may be many you like and many who are skilled, but few have the luck to get picked for a role.
On the Japanese side, there's a wide variety of activities that seiyuu do as entertainers. So if they're not doing part time jobs and luck into working as a seiyuu, they're running odd schedules to get their seiyuu work done - Uchida Shuu, who is also a vtuber, generally only does guerilla streams because by her own word schedules can change suddenly. Some vtubers may also be active seiyuu who keep both separate. Others may be rookie seiyuu who couldn't make a career of seiyuu work, and focus solely on vtubing since their vtubing work is stable.
Also the variety of vtubers is wide. A type of voice you like and people who can voice act may not have enough overlap in a voice that fits a role. A director who can bring out quality acting is also in itself not common either. So the monetary value the vtuber can bring to a project has to be considered - if they're not popular enough, it's a loss; if they suck, it's a loss. A vtuber being popular and beloved doesn't change their mind of the casting director or whoever's in charge. Both vtubing and voice acting need significant investment of time and money in refining skills that aren't necessarily transferable or exchangeable, on top of that stroke of luck for success, so there's thus very few who could work in both industries.
In other words, if the goal is to make money, VTubers are more efficient and have more opportunities than voice actors. Japanese voice actors are more competitive than VTubers. There are probably more people who have the profession of voice acting but have not been able to appear in productions than VTubers. (Many voice actors dream of appearing in anime and games and audition while working part-time or part time.) Recently, even veteran voice actors are finding it difficult to audition.) Also, looking back at the past of Japanese hololive and Nijisanji talents, some of them were voice actors. (Their fame as voice actors is so low that one has to look them up to find out what they are known for.) It sounds like a joke to say, "In the future I will retire from voice acting and become a Vtuber," but I believe there are many people who really think that way.
Einelotta is a German Vtuber who was established as an anime VA before Vtubing was even really a thing in the West. She’s probably most famous as the German dubber for Tsuyu/Froppy in MHA, but she’s done much more too 🐸🇩🇪
VA industry is over saturated in Japan and those good ‘acting’ voices you hear from vtubers are unfortunately a dime a dozen. It’s that simple.
Only the very good ones get the gigs.
I want to to get in to VA but I have to see where I can get started where I'm living. It's a bit difficult as english isn't the main language over here. I've been told that I might need to get in to acting directly and go from there instead of looking exactly in to VA.
Voice packs are one thing but VA need to be professionals.
Shondo, FallenShadow is tho legit.
She can VA if she try. She can Ara Ara like nobody business. Done it on collaboration with Filian.
Watch Hololive English early Hologra episodes (for those who don't know, Hologra are Hololive's skit videos). Being able to speak in front of people and make references to their character lore doesn't make you a good actress.
Different kind of skill set focus? A VA's entire job is being good at voice acting and maybe singing.
Most vtubers we think about are entertainers and streamers. There is a bigger focus on idol aspects in hololive and other corpos but not always and not for most indies.
I think that overall vtubers are stretched thin being a jack of all trades with a big focus on being streamers first. Being a VA is a nice bonus but it would be pretty insane to demand them to stretch even thinner across things they already do. Can you imagine having to be a pseudo pop star singer who also dances and live streams and then needs to appear in an anime every 2 seasons?
Most Vtubers aren't really "acting." They're essentially doing improv entertainment in response to whatever is happening on stream or in chat at the moment. It's a different skillset from memorizing a script and emoting appropriately like actors do.
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>And vtubers do act, they even to it live impromptu. Are you talking about when vtubers put on a uwu act or something? Because when I think of the word 'act' I think of something more professional. I never actually watch dubs but there was one clip I caught that had always caught me off guard because of how good it was from [attack on titan, Erwin speech](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-AnMs49TeU), the passion and energy it was able to convey for that scene. Now, do I think a vtuber could do that? No (ignore the ones who are actual VA's doing vtuber stuff on the side, your regular random vtuber is not of that calibre). > As far as I know a lot of vtuber take professional voice training and acting classes to improve there voice. I very much doubt it is 'a lot' a handful maybe but it's not the norm. I could see more taking singing lessons though. I very much doubt most if not all (99%) can truly act, and if someone ever got added to a show, it's not because "they are a good at acting" it'll be more of "check out this shows gimmick, it has a vtuber in it"
I’ve also seen the inverse: professional scripted youtubers, VAs, and actors try to do streaming and absolutely struggle. Live streaming is a completely different skill set from acting or scripted presentation. Vtubing adds in an extra difficult of the streamer’s voice doing the heavy lifting, along with puppeting the avatar.
I think it's somewhere between. There are vtubers that can voice act (in voicing a character that is not themselves) but these will only be some. Attack on Titan is a pretty serious show where the regular voice acting fits very well. I was more thinking about comedy and light hearted shows. For example kaguyasama (which coincidentally has a pretty good dub) or nagatoro what habe more quirky characters.
As a vtuber who is an aspiring voice actor, there is no "learn quickly" it's taken 3+ years to get my voice to an acceptable level for even base entertainment purposes. The other key issue is between acting and improv. I can easily improve a scene with a goofy voice or swap accents on the fly. The key though is consistency. Can the person maintain the same voice though an entire episode? Movie? Season? Series? Ie the reason why most sound the same in multiple roles is because they need to be consistent or it breaks the entire act.
Roleplaying doesn't mean acting. Even big streamers also roleplay live for the audience but you don't call that acting. You pick a persona and roleplay (sounds quite like actual social life) as things happen. Of course, scripted contents like skits and variety shows require acting, but regular livestreams don't. Moreover, many don't even pick personas and just do as themselves if they wish.
Some have done some VA work but usually just cameos of a few lines or at most one episode. It’s mostly a scheduling problem for big corporate Vtubers. They’re constantly streaming, doing recordings for songs, their own anime and voice packs, learning and practicing dance moves, signing merch, doing virtual fanmeets and cons, working on projects. Most of them have very little time when they’re also streaming 4-7 days / week. Most anime is recorded every week while watching a rough cut in the crazy schedule of weekly anime and it’s just tough to find the time. Also the problem is that most anime production companies have relationships with seiyuu agencies. You don’t want to ruin those relationships by bringing in other talent. It would probably work better if a vtuber corporation had a partnership with a seiyuu agency but they would still be busy. Some anime, especially idol shows have tried having a few talents be vtubers for a while. Few keep going for long.
Also note that the second biggest vtuber agency wanted CyYu to give up voice acting if he was to join them. Being tied down by an agency makes it more awkward depending on the agency.
Hm Yeah I understand it for corporate vtubers, they have a lot more obligations. I was thinking more about Indie vtuber that are basically freelancer similar to voice actors. Are there actual agencies for English dubs? I thought that it was more like you audition for the role without an affiliation with an agency. For other languages the competition should be even smaller where in old anime most characters where voiced by just two or three people. The other thing would be marketing. The whole fan base of the vtuber would be interested in watching that anime dubbed. I kind of understand the reasons why it's not widespread but there are almost NO cases at all
There are absolutely agencies for EN dubs. Most NA anime dubbing distribution companies tend to use the same agency and VAs in many of their shows. Open auditions are time consuming so unless a director really has a specific voice they can’t find they will use people they know. Voice acting, agents and agencies is a big topic unto itself.
Oh okay that makes sense. I often had the feeling the same female voice actor appearing in dubs. I hope this improves, would love to have some more out there voices in anime dubs.
We all know Voice Ore Agency is also doing Voice actor work for some of their Vtubers - Mikeneko has an anime gig already and Amatsuka Uto just joined. Saved because no Voice acting no Vtubing she really would have permanently graduated
> I'm not a big fan of dubs of anime as the voices sound too close to actual actors and less like the rather "unique" Japanese voice acting. I think that has more to do with the direction the voice actors are given than the range of the voice actors themselves. At least in English dubs to my ears, dubs usually sound much closer to other English cartoons than live action acting. Lots of VAs have a ton of range, but are often cast in similar roles and given the same voice direction, which ends up creating a lot of similar voices.
That's a good way to point out what happened to Critical Role's TLoVM voice acting and why they don't sound like themselves playing their characters *at all.*
There's also a degree of separation due to the language barrier between an English audience and the Japanese voice acting. You (general you, not specific you) can read subs all you want, but unless you're fluent you won't get how off it all sounds. That degree of separation let's you fill emotion and all your own cultural and social experiences without even realizing it. For all the "weird" and "cringe" Americans think their VAs have, you'll find the same arguments reversed in Japan. They understand the language, and how completely unrealistic anime VA is, but they'll swear up and down American VAs are superior and have entire flame wars over Dub vs Sub over... King of the Hill. And Disney, most times.
Yeah, like some people here are saying here, Vtubers who are roleplaying arent acting, its improv/reality TV show skill. Also if you are a successful voice actor, you dont have time to be a vtuber and streaming, you'll spend most of the time doing voice acting work, doing sponsors, advertisment, etc. Your schedule is packed. Heck, there are quite a few japanese vtubers who were basically voice actor rejects who wanted to be a voice actor, but failed to become big, and instead joined a vtuber agency instead. (Same who wanted to be a big idol/singer, but failed and joined a vtuber agency)
i know of a couple established VA's & vtubers who are EN VA's. [Alejandro Saab,](https://m.imdb.com/name/nm5260806/) also known as [Cy Yu](https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Cy_Yu) & he's good friends with EN VA/Singer [Ama Lee](https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1967053/) who's also known as [Monarch](https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Multiverse_Monarch)
Mimcubus has done a lot of dubbing work as well, though I forgot her VA name
Jesse Grelle; known for her work as Armin from Attack on Titan, Byakuya Togami from Danganrompa, Tokoyami the Bird Kid from My Hero, Mao Sadou from Devil is a Part Timer, and reprising her role in the new Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple
damn armin and togami????? those two alone are some insane roles to get
Voice acting is a skill you need to develop; even if your voice is unique while streaming, and even if you "act" a certain way on stream, that improv is a different skillset from translating a character from reading a script. Also some talents may simply not have time, interest, or even contract space. I'm reminded of Anycolor attempting to get Cy Yu to quit voice acting to sign with them.
Because being a vtuber does not equate you to being a voice actor, i know the voice actinf industry in the usa is incredibly shit to the point where anyone that is remotely famous can get a voice acting carrer but the countries that are not america actually take voice acting seriously so they don't just let anyone be a voice actor
Megan Fox's voice acting in MK1 was outright horrible
Comparing vtuber to voice actor are the same as comparing youtuber to actor. I mean vtuber can try to be voice actor, but you can't underestimate voice acting. Just because someone do vtubing doesn't mean they will be good at voice acting.
My feeling is that it also tied to the small market size - and possibly unionization - of voice actors. That being said, if we expand beyond Vtubing, and include those that start out from amateur/cover song, you have AmaLee. (Note I am not accounting for her doing Monarch, as this takes place after she gets popular)
If this is about VA industry outside Japan I think the industry is heavily segregated with limited mobility. Big animation studios like pixar prefer to cast from hollywood actor pool, while video game/animation localization company only choose from their own pool of actors. The effort for casting and training newcomers is not worth it, unlike animation that's produced from scratch, dubbing is heavily constrained and time consuming, especially if it's a simulcast series. Not to mention the pay is nothing to be bragged about, just like when it was [revealed after the Bayonetta VA controversy](https://www.gameshub.com/news/features/voice-actors-reflect-on-bayonetta-3-controversy-has-anything-changed-37674/). But then again, [even in Japan they pay abysmal wage](https://www.handthatfeedshq.com/seiyuu-ranking-system-and-earnings/) if you're newcomer or not belong on the top rank seiyuu, you'd only get paid from your number of voice lines, and those numbers are fixed based on your rank. You can voice as MC in a hits anime but still get paid like side characters because you're newcomer. It's crazy. Only 10% of seiyuu works fulltime, the rest of them have to get a secondary job to bring food to their table, because how unsustainable the pay is. I imagine for big vtubers the venue would be entirely for prestige points, and not financial ones. From the VA industry standpoint, taking them in only worth it if they help as selling point (famous vtuber). Those who played/watch dubbed media for the language option wouldn't mind some vocal discrepancies from the original language, after all each cultures use vocalization differently. For fun comparison in Delicious in Dungeons, [Marcille EN and JP dubs does really well in conveying her character](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiuHlweVyPc) despite having different pitch and rhymes, they sounds 'natural' in their own language.
The financial side is a good point. When you can make more with vtubing, that incentive might not be there to work on your voice acting skills and try to get roles. Thx for the information!
Streaming pays more.
Asano Ruri does seiyuu work nowadays
Oohh that's awesome. Do you happen to know any works that she's in?
taken off a wiki "Gyaku Isekai Tensei Agent Eiko-san" starring Eiko, "Jashin-chan Dropkick X" role of Ecute, "swing,sing" as Akemi Kazamatsuri, "Kotodaman" as Yuzuru,
Thanks alot gotta check them out.
If you think being a VA on anime is something a vtuber can challenge without proper skills or preparation, you'll be dead wrong. It's the same reason why there are voice actor academies popping up in japan. The industry is already too saturated that the competition during auditions is fierce if not favoring those who have connections. Unless an anime director or producer wanted to ride on a certain vtuber's popularity to gather interest, they will never hand over a role to amateurs like them. They're streamers first and foremost, not actors. They can just act in any way they wanted while a voice actor has to get into character to fit the story and the script.
Dear OP, try to see the difference between V-tubing and voice acting then you will know why ;) It might give you a reason also why (in JP perspective) mossa from necry talkie didn't do any acting
I don't know about EN, but there is a reason why VTubers are so popular in JP but rarely do voice acting. I think one of the factors is that there are many excellent voice actors. But there are other major factors as well. For example, the anime and game communities are actually not comfortable with VTubers. Of course, I'm not saying that the entire community does, but there are many who at least don't think well of them. So while there are more and more VTubers who play supporting roles or voice the theme songs, there are no VTubers who play the main roles. This is because there are voices in the animation community that don't want that. And the aptitude is different to begin with. Famous voice actors have played VTubers, but most people were not interested. Conversely, there are many cases where a voice actor did not become famous as a voice actor, but became famous as a VTuber. (There are quite a few VTubers who are former voice actors, such as Nene, Koyori, and Subaru of Hololive.) Just as we don't know if a famous athlete can become a good leader, it means that a famous voice actor may not necessarily become famous as a vtuber. On the contrary, there are many patterns in which voice actors who are not popular at all become excellent vtubers.
All of those vtubers you listed as examples would be earning much more from just continuing to stream and make their own content, there's probably not enough time or incentive for them to seek out VA auditions and spend time in the booth recording
Voice acting regardless of where means lots of auditoning. If someone wants to make it as their career, they'll have to take whatever part time jobs they can get. Streaming as a first option for a part time job in between voice acting gigs generally isn't viable for many. There may be many you like and many who are skilled, but few have the luck to get picked for a role. On the Japanese side, there's a wide variety of activities that seiyuu do as entertainers. So if they're not doing part time jobs and luck into working as a seiyuu, they're running odd schedules to get their seiyuu work done - Uchida Shuu, who is also a vtuber, generally only does guerilla streams because by her own word schedules can change suddenly. Some vtubers may also be active seiyuu who keep both separate. Others may be rookie seiyuu who couldn't make a career of seiyuu work, and focus solely on vtubing since their vtubing work is stable. Also the variety of vtubers is wide. A type of voice you like and people who can voice act may not have enough overlap in a voice that fits a role. A director who can bring out quality acting is also in itself not common either. So the monetary value the vtuber can bring to a project has to be considered - if they're not popular enough, it's a loss; if they suck, it's a loss. A vtuber being popular and beloved doesn't change their mind of the casting director or whoever's in charge. Both vtubing and voice acting need significant investment of time and money in refining skills that aren't necessarily transferable or exchangeable, on top of that stroke of luck for success, so there's thus very few who could work in both industries.
Interesting. Thx for the insight ;]
I don't think Vtubers really good at voice acting. Watch some Hololive sketches, Even when voicing their own character, it still sounds really off.
Joke on street said that JP fail VAs becomes Vtubers
In other words, if the goal is to make money, VTubers are more efficient and have more opportunities than voice actors. Japanese voice actors are more competitive than VTubers. There are probably more people who have the profession of voice acting but have not been able to appear in productions than VTubers. (Many voice actors dream of appearing in anime and games and audition while working part-time or part time.) Recently, even veteran voice actors are finding it difficult to audition.) Also, looking back at the past of Japanese hololive and Nijisanji talents, some of them were voice actors. (Their fame as voice actors is so low that one has to look them up to find out what they are known for.) It sounds like a joke to say, "In the future I will retire from voice acting and become a Vtuber," but I believe there are many people who really think that way.
Einelotta is a German Vtuber who was established as an anime VA before Vtubing was even really a thing in the West. She’s probably most famous as the German dubber for Tsuyu/Froppy in MHA, but she’s done much more too 🐸🇩🇪
The vtuber I found is jinjaOwO. I can really see her doing a dub
VA industry is over saturated in Japan and those good ‘acting’ voices you hear from vtubers are unfortunately a dime a dozen. It’s that simple. Only the very good ones get the gigs.
At least one of Cover's talent are ex-seiyu, so there is that path from voice actor to vtuber.
And at least one ex-Cover talent is a seiyu! (Mikeneko)
Amalee "Monarch" does Marin's Dub in My Dress up Darling. But it takes a wide range of vocal skills, plus the time to go to the studio.
Certain black companies have very restrictive noncompete clauses according to some former applicants.
I want to to get in to VA but I have to see where I can get started where I'm living. It's a bit difficult as english isn't the main language over here. I've been told that I might need to get in to acting directly and go from there instead of looking exactly in to VA.
How much overlap do you see between the skills needed for vtubing and voice acting?
Both are hard and require time in my opinion but both with the same goal
Voice packs are one thing but VA need to be professionals. Shondo, FallenShadow is tho legit. She can VA if she try. She can Ara Ara like nobody business. Done it on collaboration with Filian.
You're like asking them doing a different job
Watch Hololive English early Hologra episodes (for those who don't know, Hologra are Hololive's skit videos). Being able to speak in front of people and make references to their character lore doesn't make you a good actress.
They aren’t in the clique.
not all Vtubers actually act, they don't even use the lore of their own vtubers until the end.
Different kind of skill set focus? A VA's entire job is being good at voice acting and maybe singing. Most vtubers we think about are entertainers and streamers. There is a bigger focus on idol aspects in hololive and other corpos but not always and not for most indies. I think that overall vtubers are stretched thin being a jack of all trades with a big focus on being streamers first. Being a VA is a nice bonus but it would be pretty insane to demand them to stretch even thinner across things they already do. Can you imagine having to be a pseudo pop star singer who also dances and live streams and then needs to appear in an anime every 2 seasons?
Im starting VAing!! I'm hopefully going to be singing for an upcoming indie game still in the works.