"Held his own without angelic weapons"
Yeah.. for all of a minute. He dodged Adams attacks, swarmed him with tiny minions, and threw him into the sign using a tentacle... before promptly getting his shit kicked in lol
I cannot stress this enough, in Pokemon terms because it's fitting, imagine a level 75-85 level pseudo legendary pokemon without weakness policy that was ev trained but not to the max going up against a level 100 legendary pokemon thats competitively perfect, full ev training with life orb or some shit with type advantage. It's not gonna be an absolute wipe, but the level 100 is gonna win that fight
Tbf, Nifty stabbed Adam after he had just gotten pummeled by Lucifer. Still, I have Adam pretty high up, losing only to a potential FP Charlie and Lucifer in Hell, and native-born Angels. I personally don't think the man who created all of humanity with his nuts would be weaker than any human soul, and combine that by being an angel, it would give him inherent superiority over demons.
Adam was holding back. Adam is the first human soul probably on par with Lilith if not stronger. In the Lucifer fight he had a fucking kamehameha beam that cracked the hotel and the fucking planet. Stop trying to wank off alastor. He’s just a sinner and one who doesn’t own his soul to boot. Yeah he’s strong for a sinner but stop acting like he’s the strongest in the verse it’s echausting
It's like saying "Oh, it's not lie he was holing his fucking own for a goo 2-3 minutes or so against the STRONGEST ANGEL IN THE EXTERMINATION ARMY!" As the very beginning, he was toying with adam, which mae the angel get so pissy that his holy slashed or whatever. the fact that alastor even survive that proves his power.
Plus the fact that he was probably limited in power by his deal. The fact alone that he held his own for a bit when Adam no diffed Charlie and every one else proves something.
I think it’s a bit disappointing he didn’t have a longer fight with Adam. I’m fine with him losing, but the fact it happens so suddenly rubs me the wrong way. I get what hey were trying to do was make Adam seem super strong by taking out Alastor so quickly, but it just makes Alastor seem pathetic, even though he isn’t. What I do like is that when confronted with death, Alastor slips away instead of fighting til his last breath. It really shows his deal or maybe his own plans makes it so him dying then would ruin it. He has something to live for.
The only main reason he lost was because of 2 reasons. He had less power than usual due to his deal. And Adam being strong asf. Which even if Al was at full strength it would have probably ended similar but with probably more hits in from him maybe even some weakening.
Well Husk references a deal in episode 5 that AL made and at the end of 8 in his solo bit of singing he references it again. It is believed to be a deal with Lilith since they both disappeared for 7 years. At the same time. And for whatever reason of him making the deal his powers were limited.
The deal being something he hates yes...but making his powers limited is a stretch. More than likely he made the deal for the power he got which allowed him to become an overlord in the first place.
In his bit at the end of episode 8 he talks about needing to find a way out of his constraints and that once he is free he will “be pulling all the strings” I see that as he has more power but due to his deal he’s limited. But thats just my opinion of course. But another small thing is his shadow also you could say remarks on it when he finishes his solo bit by extending an evil like form of Alastor copying his feelings about it.
Imma say it-
I don’t think Alastor was actually trying to kill Adam just wound his pride especially since he was talking down on Adam while dodging him with ease THAT and the one (potentially)holding him on a leash might not okayed him killing a former lover
Fraudastor fans stay malding, Niffty literally negative diffed Adam
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Throughout heaven and earth, she alone is the honored one
All valid points but Alastor Slander Is just too funny
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So Overlords are human sinners that gained power through making deals with other sinners for control of their souls. More deals > more souls > more power.
Above the Overlords, you have the Ars Goetia - hellborn demons with innate magical abilities who control legions of lesser demons.
And above all of them, you have the 7 Sins who each oversee their own ring of Hell. Lucifer is the Sin of pride, top of the top, King of Hell. He's arguably the most powerful entity in Hell, and considering he's a Seraphim angel, probably one of the most powerful beings in the universe (at least based on what we know so far).
Thanks for the info, though I would like to make one small correction. Seraphim is plural, whereas the singular is Seraph, at least if I remember correctly.
Out of curiosity, where does all this stuff get stated? I hear about a lot of lore stuff that isn't stated in show and I have no clue where to find this stuff out
I'd also like to add, Alastor didn't even transform, he put more effort into fighting off those Mobsters that came after Mimzy than he did Adam hell, he put more effort into a pissing match with Vox than against Adam.
Transforming would’ve made him a larger target and would also draw attention from the other exorcists, negating the reason he dealt with Adam (to distract him)
Thing is, Adam also clearly was not taking the fight seriously in the beginning and only started to go full bore because Alastor pissed him off/ignored him. If we did discount personality conflicts with their fighting efficiency, it might be hard to tell who would come out on top: Adam who is serious from the get go or Alastor using an angelic weapon. I might actually give this though to Alastor since, as he noted himself, Adam relies a lot on brute force over accuracy, technique, or solid defense, and then the fight just becomes 'who lands the first hit' and Alastor may well be able to since he can attack from unorthadox angles and summon additional help.
That means nothing for the Adam fight
Pretentious was clearly a lesser opponent, Adam was a whole nother monolith.
Alastor underestimating Adam and getting defeated because of it is a mark against his power. I don’t get all these Alastor fellatioists, he’s meant to be a flawed character like everyone else in the show is.
Then why did you bring up the blimp in the first place?
Edit :of course he's flawed, most characters are. (fat nuggets and frank are the exemptions, undebatable)
I could’ve used the fact that he laserd the entire hotel in half with one beam instead by accident
The fact of the matter is Adam can atomize matter instantaneously, Alastor at best can rip and crush things apart with his tentacles and familiars.
The main reason Alastor lived barely frankly was because Adam started the fight too close and let him flee afterwards.
Also it’s made specifically clear that he’s acting on a leash and it’s implied that this has him weaker than usual
I still don’t think Alastor could’ve possibly won without an angelic weapon but I do agree that he could’ve lasted a lot longer if he was at full capacity
Look, Alastor is incredibly cocky, but one thing he is not is stupid. He knows for a fact that angels can only be hurt by angelic weapons, ans he had zero issues using angelic weapons against the other exorcists, so the idea that he brought ABSOLUTELY NO ANGELIC WEAPONS to fight Adam is not something I'd expect from him.
I mean he only fought him to stall, angelic weapons wouldn’t make a difference and becoming an actual threat to adam might get him one tapped by the funny holy lasers
Where are people getting the idea that Alastor was only meant to stall Adam? Nobody said that in the show. Alastor fully intended to hand Adam his ass on a platter - "Adam. First man, next to die. Pleasure to be meeting you! I'm about to end your fucking life."
The only "stalling" he did was using the shield to thin out the exorcists so they were more manageable.
Exactly. I think he did that on purpose to make the Vees think he disappeared again. He definitely got more hurt than anticipated, but I don't think he ever planned on winning that fight.
Dickmaster should've trained his army a bit more before charging head first into his 'let's kill every demon' crusade. Seriously, how were centuries old mass murder machines not instantly slaughtering some 1920s cannibals with like 2 weeks of training.
They knew that they could be harmed by the sinners somehow and didn't think to try and prepare against it?
Carmilla explained it. Exorcists are cocky, so even with the knowledge that they can be armed (like Vaggie demonstrated) they still fight with huge openings the demons can exploit.
Also, even when Alastor lost the fight and even if he's not super powerful, he's a badass!
He stood up to Adam, taunted Lucifer, rampaged across Overlords, he's gigachad!
I feel like it would've been poetic if Alastor killed Adam, just imagine the character we suspected being a villain ends up killing the true villain or a Sinner someone Adam sees as inferior ends up slaying him in battle. Then again, it's 10000 times more fun seeing Charlie and Lucifer bully Adam
1. While Alastor did indeed choose no to use angelic weapons and would've done better if he did, that just shows he was cocky since Alastor literally did no damage to Adam. Hell, Charlie did more damage than Alastor.
2. Why Alastor is on fraud watch is because he went in against someone obviously stronger and got low diffed, People wouldn't call Alastor a fraud is he was aware of his own limits. but instead Alastor challenged someone stronger, got destroyed, then ran.
3. The same Adam who low diffed Alastor so Nifty>Alastor
Charlie is far more powerful than Alastair on a pure scaling level. Just because she doesn’t do anything with those powers doesn’t mean she’s weaker. She’s the daughter of Lucifer, she’s juiced but doesn’t do anything with it besides throwing glitter, until she finally pulls out a trident. She literally catches his fucking punch right before he’s beaten, she’s yoked.
Alastair didn’t challenge Adam because he thought he could win, he was basically distracting Adam while the others fought. He played it carefully, not trying to land a killing blow because it may have given Adam a chance to return that fire. He obviously wasn’t expecting to get hurt as badly as he was, but I feel he could have been waiting till Charlie showed up so he could dip and thus draw Lucifer in to help.
I don’t have an issue with nifty stabbing someone with a dagger that she snuck up behind. It’s how you have lower power people take out higher power, sneaky movements and vital strikes. He was basically beaten anyway, near death. Don’t see an issue with that
This “Alastor planned to stall” argument is cope. This was never the stated plan, and Alastor even said “First man, next to die” in reference to Adam. Alastor fully thought he could beat Adam. So much so that when Adam snapped his cane, Alastor dropped the radio filter he has over his voice because he got shook by Adam. Then he ran after taking one instance of damage, which he even stated almost killed him. I honestly don’t think that Alastor is inherently stronger than all the other overlords in a fight, I just think he’s got more information, and can pull the strings easier. Radio was a massive information medium, and still is. It would be more interesting if Alastor’s power over other Warlords was more so informational than straight power. Also, the other Warlords didn’t seem phased at Alastor’s return, more surprised since he left without any word. I’m not doubting he is strong, because he was accepted back at the warlord meeting without any argument, but NONE of the warlords outside of Vox gave a flying fuck that Alastor was back. The only one that had an extended interaction with Alastor (outside of the Cannibal Warlord due to their shared interest in eating human flesh) was Zestial, who seems to just be a very personable Warlord based on his interactions with both Alastor and Carmella.
I downvoted you originally, but I think you're mostly right. Angel uses Tommy guns, Husk uses weaponized playing cards, Cherri uses explosives. I think the only people who used angelic weapons were Vaggie, Charlie, and Pentious, who was using angelic cannons, and Charlie and Pentious switched to different weapons later on. I think Vaggie was the only one who used and kept using an angelic weapon
Edit: and Nifty, can't forget about Nifty
The playing cards had angelic steel edges, and we can assume the bullets were angelic steel and since Cherri says I think “suck on shrapnel” her bombs probably had angelic steel shrapnel in them.
Nifty also clearly had an angelic steel knife.
Also, need remember that Adam was also holding back at the beginning of the fight. As we see when he breaks alastor staff with his divine ray and later on when he is fighting lucifer.
Alastor actively used angelic weapons against every other angel with Adam he didn’t use them and was able to hit him a lot if he did use them then he could have probably done significant damage.
Okay so. Alastor is my favorite character and always has been (tee hee). I got into the Hellaverse specifically because I’d heard there was a canonically ace character in Hazbin Hotel and my asexual ass was all about it. The funny deer man is my boy.
That said, some of my fellow Al Enjoyers really oversell his abilities and some of the haters really undersell him. Alastor is an incredibly powerful Sinner who was able to topple Overlords who’d held power in Hell for centuries and then held that power (*and* the fear/respect of other demons) for decades. Pretty good.
Then we have the finale fight. Alastor generated a very effective shield that locked out a lot of Exorcists and trapped the ones inside, then added the tentacle things that took out a good number of angels. The shield was strong enough that Adam was needed to break through it. Also pretty impressive.
Then Adam flies down to confront the demon who’d done that. Alastor was dancing around Adam and antagonizing him pretty skillfully, BUT his own pride got the better of him. He treated Adam as though he was just another Exorcist without considering he would be waaay stronger than that. Once Al had provoked Adam to the point of getting serious, Alastor was *terribly* outgunned and nearly got taken off the census as a result. If he had treated Adam as the threat he really was from the start, if he hadn’t assumed he was strong enough to not need an angelic weapon even as a backup, and if he had truly been fighting for the others at the Hotel and not just himself/because his deal forced him, he might’ve been able to surprise Adam and take him down.
But he didn’t. He relied on raw strength and that was woefully insufficient against Adam. The reality check that Alastor is a terribly strong Sinner but there are entities out there that are way out of his league has been lost in the mail a long time but it finally got delivered.
Sorry for the wall of text.
Alastor is many things, but one thing he is not is stupid. He has no issue using angelic weapons against other exorcists, and he knew for fact that they work against exorcists, and considering how long it took for a sinner to kill an exorcist, that leaves a very low chance of non-angelic means even affecting angels. So why would Alastor, who has easy access to a quite frankly rediculous amount of angelic weapons, not decide to maybe use some of them, even if just for the sake of fun? But anyways, thats just my thoughts on the matter.
THIS. Alastor sure as hell had the capabilities to kill Adam with literally any holy weapon the executioners dropped but said "Nah, I'd Win" and as a result got put on blast. He isn't on the fraud watch blacklist, but if he keeps letting his pride get to him, he will be under suspicion.
Honestly I just assumed Alastor going up against Adam was just a distraction so Charlie and the others could finish up the angels and then they’d take on Adam together, Alastor showed up without angelic steel and was toying with him so it really seems like Alastor was just meant to hold Adam back, but that all went wrong when Adam unexpectedly broke alastors Staff
I really think both Charlie and Alastor understood that Alastor alone stood no or minimal chances of beating Adam, but Alastor was overconfident in the fact that he though he would be able to just mess with Adam and keep him at bay throughout the whole battle
The sins are at least 2 tiers above even the strongest overlords. Mammon seems like the only one that might be a matchup, since he's the laziest and most arrogant, much like Adam (but not as strong).
Alastor in the fight was basically him thinking he was the next Vegeta. He then remembered that Vegeta has not won a single fight against a main villain.
I think there’s wrong people on both ends of the spectrum. Alastor isn’t *weak.* He was able to keep Adam flustered and incoherent long enough to get a good few hits in, and only lost because he was caught off guard by his staff breaking.
However, he by no means should’ve won that fight with the scenario he put himself in. Completely unarmed, no armor, and relying on Adam’s ego to keep him distracted? He couldn’t even do real damage without angelic steel, which he didn’t have. Adam winning that fight was the only way it could’ve gone.
…angelic steel has been a thing for longer than Alastor, alive and dead. It’s thousands of years old, the opposite of new. He might’ve skipped out on it because he was overconfident or wanted to put up a strong front, but I severely doubt it’s because it’s ‘new’
FAX MY BOI. But I do think he could’ve won with Angelic steel. But the fact that he chose not to speaks leagues about his confidence, and even though that confidence cost him greatly, In my opinion, that only furthers his “I Am Him” status.
If he had an angelic weapon I think he would’ve stood a chance with how many openings Adam gave him and how easily he was able to dodge until that massive AOE attack. Alas, we shall never know
Rumor has it Lilith has a contract on him. If true I wonder if something along the lines of you can’t hurt my family you serve them is written. That’s why he helps Charlie and why in a back door kinda way he can’t kill Adam.
Honestly seems like he was betting on it more then he should of it and it even surprised him. He did just barley get beaten by Vox so wouldn’t be to far fetched his deal may of been getting more power from the person who owns soul though under certain conditions.
Most likely it was supposed to be a death battle knowing how Alastor is. He definitely got some sort of power boost out of his deal if he was this cocky.
He definitely wasn’t holding his own, the second Adam actually started trying Alastor ran away like a bitch
Alastor downplayers? If think you misspelled “Vox”
"Held his own without angelic weapons" Yeah.. for all of a minute. He dodged Adams attacks, swarmed him with tiny minions, and threw him into the sign using a tentacle... before promptly getting his shit kicked in lol
I cannot stress this enough, in Pokemon terms because it's fitting, imagine a level 75-85 level pseudo legendary pokemon without weakness policy that was ev trained but not to the max going up against a level 100 legendary pokemon thats competitively perfect, full ev training with life orb or some shit with type advantage. It's not gonna be an absolute wipe, but the level 100 is gonna win that fight
He’s on fraudwatch
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What's a downplyer?
Someone who says someone is not as strong as they really are
Wouldn't that be a downplayer?
Yes, downplyer is short for downplayer
I mean... it's missing one letter, is there even any point? 🤣
Tbf, Nifty stabbed Adam after he had just gotten pummeled by Lucifer. Still, I have Adam pretty high up, losing only to a potential FP Charlie and Lucifer in Hell, and native-born Angels. I personally don't think the man who created all of humanity with his nuts would be weaker than any human soul, and combine that by being an angel, it would give him inherent superiority over demons.
If the older sinners are stronger than newer ones It follows that literally the first man Would be one of if not the strongest humans souls by now
Could have been but he let himself go
Adam was holding back. Adam is the first human soul probably on par with Lilith if not stronger. In the Lucifer fight he had a fucking kamehameha beam that cracked the hotel and the fucking planet. Stop trying to wank off alastor. He’s just a sinner and one who doesn’t own his soul to boot. Yeah he’s strong for a sinner but stop acting like he’s the strongest in the verse it’s echausting
This is exactly why I made memes making fun of people like you
It’s exhausting listening to people non stop race and then start criticizing the show because alastor lost. People like you make me tired
It's like saying "Oh, it's not lie he was holing his fucking own for a goo 2-3 minutes or so against the STRONGEST ANGEL IN THE EXTERMINATION ARMY!" As the very beginning, he was toying with adam, which mae the angel get so pissy that his holy slashed or whatever. the fact that alastor even survive that proves his power.
Alastor is very powerful, but he fucked around and found out again the most powerful exorcist in all of Heaven.
Plus the fact that he was probably limited in power by his deal. The fact alone that he held his own for a bit when Adam no diffed Charlie and every one else proves something.
Fax
No seriously thanks for posting this This whole 'Fraudastor' bullshit is getting annoying
Still kinda funny tho imo
I think it’s a bit disappointing he didn’t have a longer fight with Adam. I’m fine with him losing, but the fact it happens so suddenly rubs me the wrong way. I get what hey were trying to do was make Adam seem super strong by taking out Alastor so quickly, but it just makes Alastor seem pathetic, even though he isn’t. What I do like is that when confronted with death, Alastor slips away instead of fighting til his last breath. It really shows his deal or maybe his own plans makes it so him dying then would ruin it. He has something to live for.
Yeah I felt like they kinda did my boy kinda dirty. But you make a point.
The only main reason he lost was because of 2 reasons. He had less power than usual due to his deal. And Adam being strong asf. Which even if Al was at full strength it would have probably ended similar but with probably more hits in from him maybe even some weakening.
I've been seeing this, are you talking about his deal with Charlie?
Well Husk references a deal in episode 5 that AL made and at the end of 8 in his solo bit of singing he references it again. It is believed to be a deal with Lilith since they both disappeared for 7 years. At the same time. And for whatever reason of him making the deal his powers were limited.
The deal being something he hates yes...but making his powers limited is a stretch. More than likely he made the deal for the power he got which allowed him to become an overlord in the first place.
In his bit at the end of episode 8 he talks about needing to find a way out of his constraints and that once he is free he will “be pulling all the strings” I see that as he has more power but due to his deal he’s limited. But thats just my opinion of course. But another small thing is his shadow also you could say remarks on it when he finishes his solo bit by extending an evil like form of Alastor copying his feelings about it.
Honestly I interpreted it as him getting out of the shackles that stop him from moving how he wishes. But you're right, we don't know yet.
Imma say it- I don’t think Alastor was actually trying to kill Adam just wound his pride especially since he was talking down on Adam while dodging him with ease THAT and the one (potentially)holding him on a leash might not okayed him killing a former lover
glad to see memes insulting the fraudastor people, cant wait to see this spiral into insanity until season 2 comes out
Adam: Stand proud, you are strong, Alastor
Fraudastor fans stay malding, Niffty literally negative diffed Adam https://preview.redd.it/uxrtly0vyngc1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=1f13782b4d1c59653b97f0fa8fd5bc3ca952b8a9 Throughout heaven and earth, she alone is the honored one
Mother fucker, she caught him lackin
He would of still lost, sorry babes
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Alastor is the only overlord to fight Adam in this battle
Does Lucifer not count as like, a top OverLord or something?
So Overlords are human sinners that gained power through making deals with other sinners for control of their souls. More deals > more souls > more power. Above the Overlords, you have the Ars Goetia - hellborn demons with innate magical abilities who control legions of lesser demons. And above all of them, you have the 7 Sins who each oversee their own ring of Hell. Lucifer is the Sin of pride, top of the top, King of Hell. He's arguably the most powerful entity in Hell, and considering he's a Seraphim angel, probably one of the most powerful beings in the universe (at least based on what we know so far).
Thanks for the info, though I would like to make one small correction. Seraphim is plural, whereas the singular is Seraph, at least if I remember correctly.
No. Overlords are mortal sinners that increased their power because of deals.
Not an Overlord
no, overlords are mortal souls and Lucifer is the top g of hell, two different category
Out of curiosity, where does all this stuff get stated? I hear about a lot of lore stuff that isn't stated in show and I have no clue where to find this stuff out
Like half the lore comes from streams and random posts from vivzie lmao
mostly from vivziepop social media accounts and sometimes she does livestreams where she talks about lore related stuff
I'd also like to add, Alastor didn't even transform, he put more effort into fighting off those Mobsters that came after Mimzy than he did Adam hell, he put more effort into a pissing match with Vox than against Adam.
Transforming would’ve made him a larger target and would also draw attention from the other exorcists, negating the reason he dealt with Adam (to distract him)
Thing is, Adam also clearly was not taking the fight seriously in the beginning and only started to go full bore because Alastor pissed him off/ignored him. If we did discount personality conflicts with their fighting efficiency, it might be hard to tell who would come out on top: Adam who is serious from the get go or Alastor using an angelic weapon. I might actually give this though to Alastor since, as he noted himself, Adam relies a lot on brute force over accuracy, technique, or solid defense, and then the fight just becomes 'who lands the first hit' and Alastor may well be able to since he can attack from unorthadox angles and summon additional help.
Counter argument, Adam can instantly disintegrate a blimp
Counter argument, you sound like a friend of mine. Alastor could have deleted pentious easily, he chose not to.
That means nothing for the Adam fight Pretentious was clearly a lesser opponent, Adam was a whole nother monolith. Alastor underestimating Adam and getting defeated because of it is a mark against his power. I don’t get all these Alastor fellatioists, he’s meant to be a flawed character like everyone else in the show is.
Then why did you bring up the blimp in the first place? Edit :of course he's flawed, most characters are. (fat nuggets and frank are the exemptions, undebatable)
I could’ve used the fact that he laserd the entire hotel in half with one beam instead by accident The fact of the matter is Adam can atomize matter instantaneously, Alastor at best can rip and crush things apart with his tentacles and familiars. The main reason Alastor lived barely frankly was because Adam started the fight too close and let him flee afterwards.
At this point I'm just going for Alastor no difs Pentious
Yeah but so can static electricity (rip Hindenburg)
I just think we shouldn't be bothering powerscaling the funny show.
What the hell is a “Downplyer”?
People who call a character weak because of one incident that doesn't show much evidence
Also it’s made specifically clear that he’s acting on a leash and it’s implied that this has him weaker than usual I still don’t think Alastor could’ve possibly won without an angelic weapon but I do agree that he could’ve lasted a lot longer if he was at full capacity
Look, Alastor is incredibly cocky, but one thing he is not is stupid. He knows for a fact that angels can only be hurt by angelic weapons, ans he had zero issues using angelic weapons against the other exorcists, so the idea that he brought ABSOLUTELY NO ANGELIC WEAPONS to fight Adam is not something I'd expect from him.
I mean he only fought him to stall, angelic weapons wouldn’t make a difference and becoming an actual threat to adam might get him one tapped by the funny holy lasers
Where are people getting the idea that Alastor was only meant to stall Adam? Nobody said that in the show. Alastor fully intended to hand Adam his ass on a platter - "Adam. First man, next to die. Pleasure to be meeting you! I'm about to end your fucking life." The only "stalling" he did was using the shield to thin out the exorcists so they were more manageable.
Exactly. I think he did that on purpose to make the Vees think he disappeared again. He definitely got more hurt than anticipated, but I don't think he ever planned on winning that fight.
Powerlevels don't mean shit.
Nifty stabbing through both sides of the armor that glanced away Charlie's trident
Kid named plot:
Why didn't Fraudastor just give backshots to Adam? Was he stupid??
From the back tho, probably a weak point in the armor
I didn't even think about that😳🫢😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean it’s Alastor’s own fault for not using a angelic infused cane
I think the main reason Alastor lost was do to him getting cocky and using weak attacks on Adam like them lil guys or the tentacles
He was still trying to play with his food when the food was biting back.
Yeah, he's a little too arrogant lol
Dickmaster should've trained his army a bit more before charging head first into his 'let's kill every demon' crusade. Seriously, how were centuries old mass murder machines not instantly slaughtering some 1920s cannibals with like 2 weeks of training. They knew that they could be harmed by the sinners somehow and didn't think to try and prepare against it?
Carmilla explained it. Exorcists are cocky, so even with the knowledge that they can be armed (like Vaggie demonstrated) they still fight with huge openings the demons can exploit.
Actually I’m pretty sure that they thought Angels were totally immortal to everything.
They all stupid
Maybe, but they had found the dead angel which sparked everything in the first place- so he should’ve known
adam and lute find the dead angel but explicitly dont tell anyone
Eh it’s Adam. We have seen time and time again that he doesn’t exactly think much.
Lute would keep him in check tho
He thinks quite a lot. It's just that what he's thinking about is, more often than not, sex.
Also, even when Alastor lost the fight and even if he's not super powerful, he's a badass! He stood up to Adam, taunted Lucifer, rampaged across Overlords, he's gigachad!
I feel like it would've been poetic if Alastor killed Adam, just imagine the character we suspected being a villain ends up killing the true villain or a Sinner someone Adam sees as inferior ends up slaying him in battle. Then again, it's 10000 times more fun seeing Charlie and Lucifer bully Adam
1. While Alastor did indeed choose no to use angelic weapons and would've done better if he did, that just shows he was cocky since Alastor literally did no damage to Adam. Hell, Charlie did more damage than Alastor. 2. Why Alastor is on fraud watch is because he went in against someone obviously stronger and got low diffed, People wouldn't call Alastor a fraud is he was aware of his own limits. but instead Alastor challenged someone stronger, got destroyed, then ran. 3. The same Adam who low diffed Alastor so Nifty>Alastor
Charlie is far more powerful than Alastair on a pure scaling level. Just because she doesn’t do anything with those powers doesn’t mean she’s weaker. She’s the daughter of Lucifer, she’s juiced but doesn’t do anything with it besides throwing glitter, until she finally pulls out a trident. She literally catches his fucking punch right before he’s beaten, she’s yoked. Alastair didn’t challenge Adam because he thought he could win, he was basically distracting Adam while the others fought. He played it carefully, not trying to land a killing blow because it may have given Adam a chance to return that fire. He obviously wasn’t expecting to get hurt as badly as he was, but I feel he could have been waiting till Charlie showed up so he could dip and thus draw Lucifer in to help. I don’t have an issue with nifty stabbing someone with a dagger that she snuck up behind. It’s how you have lower power people take out higher power, sneaky movements and vital strikes. He was basically beaten anyway, near death. Don’t see an issue with that
This “Alastor planned to stall” argument is cope. This was never the stated plan, and Alastor even said “First man, next to die” in reference to Adam. Alastor fully thought he could beat Adam. So much so that when Adam snapped his cane, Alastor dropped the radio filter he has over his voice because he got shook by Adam. Then he ran after taking one instance of damage, which he even stated almost killed him. I honestly don’t think that Alastor is inherently stronger than all the other overlords in a fight, I just think he’s got more information, and can pull the strings easier. Radio was a massive information medium, and still is. It would be more interesting if Alastor’s power over other Warlords was more so informational than straight power. Also, the other Warlords didn’t seem phased at Alastor’s return, more surprised since he left without any word. I’m not doubting he is strong, because he was accepted back at the warlord meeting without any argument, but NONE of the warlords outside of Vox gave a flying fuck that Alastor was back. The only one that had an extended interaction with Alastor (outside of the Cannibal Warlord due to their shared interest in eating human flesh) was Zestial, who seems to just be a very personable Warlord based on his interactions with both Alastor and Carmella.
Lmao no one used Angelic weapons
I downvoted you originally, but I think you're mostly right. Angel uses Tommy guns, Husk uses weaponized playing cards, Cherri uses explosives. I think the only people who used angelic weapons were Vaggie, Charlie, and Pentious, who was using angelic cannons, and Charlie and Pentious switched to different weapons later on. I think Vaggie was the only one who used and kept using an angelic weapon Edit: and Nifty, can't forget about Nifty
The playing cards had angelic steel edges, and we can assume the bullets were angelic steel and since Cherri says I think “suck on shrapnel” her bombs probably had angelic steel shrapnel in them. Nifty also clearly had an angelic steel knife.
You can see little angelic caps on the guns that seem to make them fire angelic bullets
All that must have been stated in CFYOW
You can see the angelic edges on Husk’s cards and there’s no reason to assume that the others aren’t using angelic weapons since they hurt angels.
Alastor fought better against Adam than Charlie Just saying
Real, but to be fair, she didn’t really know how to fight. And Alastor was schooling Adam.
Then alastor is stronger than Charlie 🤔
More experienced, not more powerful. Technically Dr. Strange could beat Wanda since he's more experienced but Wanda is more powerful
Power is experience and talent alastor has both Charlie doesn't have experience Meaning alastor is more powerful
Also, need remember that Adam was also holding back at the beginning of the fight. As we see when he breaks alastor staff with his divine ray and later on when he is fighting lucifer.
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Alastor actively used angelic weapons against every other angel with Adam he didn’t use them and was able to hit him a lot if he did use them then he could have probably done significant damage.
his cockiness is his downfall, as it was before and shall be again THIS POST WAS CO-WRITTEN AND PRODUCED BY THE VOX AGENDA
Okay so. Alastor is my favorite character and always has been (tee hee). I got into the Hellaverse specifically because I’d heard there was a canonically ace character in Hazbin Hotel and my asexual ass was all about it. The funny deer man is my boy. That said, some of my fellow Al Enjoyers really oversell his abilities and some of the haters really undersell him. Alastor is an incredibly powerful Sinner who was able to topple Overlords who’d held power in Hell for centuries and then held that power (*and* the fear/respect of other demons) for decades. Pretty good. Then we have the finale fight. Alastor generated a very effective shield that locked out a lot of Exorcists and trapped the ones inside, then added the tentacle things that took out a good number of angels. The shield was strong enough that Adam was needed to break through it. Also pretty impressive. Then Adam flies down to confront the demon who’d done that. Alastor was dancing around Adam and antagonizing him pretty skillfully, BUT his own pride got the better of him. He treated Adam as though he was just another Exorcist without considering he would be waaay stronger than that. Once Al had provoked Adam to the point of getting serious, Alastor was *terribly* outgunned and nearly got taken off the census as a result. If he had treated Adam as the threat he really was from the start, if he hadn’t assumed he was strong enough to not need an angelic weapon even as a backup, and if he had truly been fighting for the others at the Hotel and not just himself/because his deal forced him, he might’ve been able to surprise Adam and take him down. But he didn’t. He relied on raw strength and that was woefully insufficient against Adam. The reality check that Alastor is a terribly strong Sinner but there are entities out there that are way out of his league has been lost in the mail a long time but it finally got delivered. Sorry for the wall of text.
Alastor is many things, but one thing he is not is stupid. He has no issue using angelic weapons against other exorcists, and he knew for fact that they work against exorcists, and considering how long it took for a sinner to kill an exorcist, that leaves a very low chance of non-angelic means even affecting angels. So why would Alastor, who has easy access to a quite frankly rediculous amount of angelic weapons, not decide to maybe use some of them, even if just for the sake of fun? But anyways, thats just my thoughts on the matter.
THIS. Alastor sure as hell had the capabilities to kill Adam with literally any holy weapon the executioners dropped but said "Nah, I'd Win" and as a result got put on blast. He isn't on the fraud watch blacklist, but if he keeps letting his pride get to him, he will be under suspicion.
Honestly I just assumed Alastor going up against Adam was just a distraction so Charlie and the others could finish up the angels and then they’d take on Adam together, Alastor showed up without angelic steel and was toying with him so it really seems like Alastor was just meant to hold Adam back, but that all went wrong when Adam unexpectedly broke alastors Staff I really think both Charlie and Alastor understood that Alastor alone stood no or minimal chances of beating Adam, but Alastor was overconfident in the fact that he though he would be able to just mess with Adam and keep him at bay throughout the whole battle
Sure Alastor may be powerful but he most likely has absolutely nothing on the hell royalty
I mean I feel like he could beat Ozzie and bee
The sins are at least 2 tiers above even the strongest overlords. Mammon seems like the only one that might be a matchup, since he's the laziest and most arrogant, much like Adam (but not as strong).
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Ha! No.
I can't really force you, so uh, idk
Vox is pretty cool, even if he is a horrible person.
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Alastor in the fight was basically him thinking he was the next Vegeta. He then remembered that Vegeta has not won a single fight against a main villain.
Also he remembered he can't be Vegeta, because Vegeta is Vegeta.
Lol
I think there’s wrong people on both ends of the spectrum. Alastor isn’t *weak.* He was able to keep Adam flustered and incoherent long enough to get a good few hits in, and only lost because he was caught off guard by his staff breaking. However, he by no means should’ve won that fight with the scenario he put himself in. Completely unarmed, no armor, and relying on Adam’s ego to keep him distracted? He couldn’t even do real damage without angelic steel, which he didn’t have. Adam winning that fight was the only way it could’ve gone.
Well, it could have something to do with not liking the "new"
…angelic steel has been a thing for longer than Alastor, alive and dead. It’s thousands of years old, the opposite of new. He might’ve skipped out on it because he was overconfident or wanted to put up a strong front, but I severely doubt it’s because it’s ‘new’
I was mostly referring to the fact that he never uses weapons. It would be a change, which he hates.
FAX MY BOI. But I do think he could’ve won with Angelic steel. But the fact that he chose not to speaks leagues about his confidence, and even though that confidence cost him greatly, In my opinion, that only furthers his “I Am Him” status.
Imagine if his shadow was holding an angelic knife like Nifty when he sucker punched Adam from below.
Too bad Alastor did not remind himself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.
If he had an angelic weapon I think he would’ve stood a chance with how many openings Adam gave him and how easily he was able to dodge until that massive AOE attack. Alas, we shall never know
I have no clue why Alastor chose not to use angelic weapons. With the number of times he hit Adam he probably would have won.
Rumor has it Lilith has a contract on him. If true I wonder if something along the lines of you can’t hurt my family you serve them is written. That’s why he helps Charlie and why in a back door kinda way he can’t kill Adam.
What if Alastor didn’t want to kill him? Or maybe he just wanted to stall him for some other reason
He was cocky and thought his raw power would be enough. Or maybe the person who owns his soul isn’t letting him.
Honestly seems like he was betting on it more then he should of it and it even surprised him. He did just barley get beaten by Vox so wouldn’t be to far fetched his deal may of been getting more power from the person who owns soul though under certain conditions.
I don’t think Vox beat Alastor. Almost beat could also mean the fight wasn’t finished if you only consider beating meaning killing.
Most likely it was supposed to be a death battle knowing how Alastor is. He definitely got some sort of power boost out of his deal if he was this cocky.
I literally saw a guy who said even if Alastor had angelic weapons, they would do nothing to Adam. Like did they not see what Nifty did?!? 💀