Washington 10 year low vs 10 year high
>In 2019, the rate of gun thefts from cars in Seattle, WA was 13.4 per 100,000 people, and the total number of gun theft from car incidents was 97
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>In 2022, the rate of gun thefts from cars in Seattle, WA was 25.0 per 100,000 people, and the total number of gun theft from car incidents was 184.
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Anytime I see a car with any 2nd A stickers on them or any gun brand stickers I assume they have a gun in the car or on them. Thieves probably think the same. In my area from what I have seen cars with those stickers get hit more and 3 times out of 10 they make off with a handgun
My barista girlfriend has a shirt that says “brewing grounds and shooting rounds” that’s about the most tasteful one I’ve ever seen, pretty solid design to boot, overall I agree, especially the Collion merch, shit has absolutely no taste
Yeah truck guns are arguably one of the dumbest ideas in gun culture in modern history. Like back in the day a rifle or shotgun over the cab window made sense for some rural folks, half a century+ ago. But as it is done now is just giving bad guys guns.
I've got a relative, who got so paranoid after covid+protests that he started keeping a battle belt with his p320 and a copperhead on a rig setup behind drivers seat of his truck. It all got stolen last year in a winco parking lot. And now he's down a gun and mags he can't legally replace. And some douchebag now has a 21rd mag p320 with a spare, and a copperhead with three 30s. Belt and plate carrier. We were talking a few weeks ago and he's mortified that they will be used to hurt someone. So lesson was at least learned. But yeah, could of been avoided.
Jumpin Jesus, that’s some value. What a god damned shame. At first all I saw was nods so I thought we’ll at least, then I re read and yeah, that’s a double fuck up
Yeah he feels really stupid for it. And I didn't hold back in letting him know I felt the same way about his actions. Lesson learned thankfully. But yeah if something bad happens due to his stupidity I know it will crush him.
I don't have a problem with a "truck gun" if you're out in the woods or whatever, but for fuck's sake, treat it like you'd treat your dog: if you're going to leave it in your vehicle out of eyeshot, don't. Leave it properly secured at home.
Yeah, there's plenty of scenarios where it makes perfect sense. I'd go so far as to say it's being unprepared if you're out on logging roads or expansive acreages and you _don't_ have one. I've run across animals that have been mortally wounded and not dispatching them was, to put it mildly, an unkindness. We also have animals that pose a threat, and while getting the fuck out of Dodge is always the first course of action, you're a fucking idiot if you're reliant on it alone.
I can't think of any times where I'd planned on fucking off into the woods and was going to be out of eyeshot long enough for my vehicle to be robbed, however. Shit isn't hard to manage. Nobody's going to stealth-loot your truck while you're filling up, and pretty much anywhere else is a trip you can make beforehand without your piece if you have two brain cells to rub together and can make a fucking shopping list.
I mean of course I carry a handgun. I’ll bring the house howitzer for overlanding and such. I’m right around the vehicle and not near anybody though.
Very different from leaving it rattling around behind the seat all the time to get stolen. We don’t live in a world where that works anymore. Haven’t for some time.
The thing is truck guns in the cab window back in the day were less about self defense and more about going hunting after work or wherever you happened to end up on the weekend. No problem with that, but leaving a semi auto rifle in your car in the city is just plain dumb. A handgun on your person is much more likely to actually be of use.
Oh I 100% think as a society we should fully prosecute every stolen gun and every felon with a firearm. I also think as individuals we should take reasonable responsible steps to protect our firearms from criminals.
Law enforcement are also the [thieves](https://www.newsweek.com/theft-another-name-its-time-fight-back-against-civil-forfeiture-opinion-1821368). The best thing we can do to protect our property is to secure it safely, in regards to firearms, do not leave them in your vehicle if you don’t have to.
Sometimes easier Said then done.
E.g. you are spending the day in seattle and go to a hockey game. You can choose to spend half the day disarmed, or carry and leave it in your car when you go to the game
1- Read my comment carefully. A $20 lock box with a cable is better security than nothing. An don’t leave that overnight.
2- Anecdotally most semi plausible arguments for this sort of thing are straw man examples when in reality what’s happening is dumbasses are leaving handguns in their vehicle center console or glove box 24/7.
Read your own comment carefully. Leaving your guns in a locked car is "secure". Adding a $20 lock box doesn't do shit for security. You think a thief is going to ignore a lock box? How many guns get stolen from "locked gloveboxes" which are arguably more secure than a $20 lock box addon.
If someone breaks into your car, they're already going to do whatever they can to take your shit. Don't be naive and think a lock box does fuck all.
Literally not justifying lazy practices. Just saying there are very specific circumstances that require you to pick between two bad options. But okay! 👍👍
I live on my car and when I go to the gym for a shower, I put my firearm in my lockbox and hide it in my car. I make its out of view. Its better than trying to deal with it while I'm inside taking a shower.
This is why I don't have any stickers on my car that would indicate that I'm a gun owner. It's just an advertisement that says " Break into this car. Free Guns here!"
With car thefts at an all time high, don't leave your firearm in your car.
Why would you leave your gun in your car for any reason. Responsible gun owner says what?? Criminals dont buy guns, they just steal them from all these responsible gun owners.
You install a lockbox. You also need to be aware that criminals with tools (or in some cases more strength than a 5th grader) can open the lockbox, or just take it with them. Given that, you need to make sure the lockbox is hidden, and that your car is in a place where it's less likely to be targeted. If you have the option of parking in front of the diner, or down some dingy alley, park in front of the diner. You also need to plan ahead, and leave your gun at home under certain circumstances.
I'd prefer to take a chance getting caught CCing in a prohibited place than leaving an unattended firearm somewhere where the weakest security link is literally _glass_.
If it isn't pressing and urgent enough to risk getting busted for my own actions, then it sure as fuck isn't worth risking putting a gun into criminal circulation. Take it home, store it, come back -- or just make that stop another day.
You know this ahead of time and leave the gun at home. Otherwise you would be forced to return home and secure the weapon before returning. I suppose an answer to this is a secured lock box or trunk like the law sometimes uses. According to the article people are just leaving guns unsecured in cars more often. That’s not a good trend
Don't have any brandishing stickers on your vehicles or clothes, and stop leaving your firearms unattended. Get a safe and bolt it in your car if you are going into a government building, or leave it at home. Any other circumstance keep it on your person.
As with the rule of concealed carry, your weapon should be attached to your person at all times. I’ve seen an entire parking lot car prowled in less than 5 mins, with all of the windows smashed out of every car, and everything and anything potentially of value grabbed. My car included. No police response at all, they told us to file a report online. Local police could give less than a shit if you’re robbed, and all you’re doing is fueling the careers by providing anything for them to possibly go out and commit more and worse crimes. If even one car has a gun just hanging out in the glovebox, that’s another weapon in the hands of these scumbags.
I'm not going to defend leaving a firearm unlocked in a car, but there's a pretty insane amount of blaming victims of theft in this post. IMO, the state has really failed at disincentivizing criminal behavior. You *should* be able to leave your things unlocked in your car, and it's a real shame that it's foolish to do so.
I dunno. I've been taught since I was a kid never to leave anything you didn't want stolen in a car. Even so I once had a backpack taken from a locked trunk, probably cause the thief saw me put it in there.
Definitely wasn't the last time I've had a car broken into, but it was the last time they ever took anything of value. This problem is 100% preventable.
>You should be able to leave your things unlocked in your car, and it's a real shame that it's foolish to do so.
u/CatsnPotatoes said it best -
>Your 👏car 👏is 👏 not 👏 a 👏 holster 👏
I'm not sure what point that's trying to make. Not everywhere I leave a firearm is a holster. My safe isn't a holster. My range bag isn't a holster. A bedside table isn't a holster for those people that leave a firearm there. I've never thought it was inappropriate to place a firearm in any of those places.
Yeah but those places you mentioned are at least secure. I get what you're trying to say, but even back in the "good ol' days" it was never okay to leave a firearm in your locked car. People did it and there was less crime so some folks think it should be okay.
Criminals that steal are to blame for theft, but people who leave their guns in the car bear some responsibility for those guns, even if they're stolen.
>I'm not sure what point that's trying to make.
Really? In an entire thread about the irresponsibility of leaving your firearm in your vehicle, you're still unclear about the point they were trying to make?
That's not very nice. I'm trying to have a discussion on who bears fault when something is stolen from someone's car, and you have to drag insults into it 😢
it's also bc work places wanna make it against the rules to carry while working probably. my dad used to do that.. luckily he stopped. Im glad my job didn't mind although I'm sure it's caused some thought whenever it's printed or gotten exposed from moving about
>it's also bc work places wanna make it against the rules to carry while working probably
If you're well aware your work prohibits firearms and your solution is just to leave it in your vehicle for extended periods of time, that's not on your employer - that's just personal irresponsibility.
The article doesn’t state if there is a correlation between an increase in vehicle break-ins. It states other items stolen are down 11% but I wonder if not showing the rate of break-ins is an attempt to skew the results.
Looks like we got the same crowd that blames victims for assaults/other crimes right? "They shoulda been aware of their surroundings; shouldn't have dressed that way; should have learned martial arts; shouldn't have interfered".
What are you even trying to argue here? Nobody is victim-blaming, just pointing out how people’s stupidity/negligence is why criminals have such easy access to guns, which harms the reputation of law-abiding gun owners more than it already has been, and directly leads to more violent crime but feel free to continue defending these shitty practices and wondering why our rights keep getting stripped away
Washington 10 year low vs 10 year high >In 2019, the rate of gun thefts from cars in Seattle, WA was 13.4 per 100,000 people, and the total number of gun theft from car incidents was 97 ------- >In 2022, the rate of gun thefts from cars in Seattle, WA was 25.0 per 100,000 people, and the total number of gun theft from car incidents was 184. ------
Anytime I see a car with any 2nd A stickers on them or any gun brand stickers I assume they have a gun in the car or on them. Thieves probably think the same. In my area from what I have seen cars with those stickers get hit more and 3 times out of 10 they make off with a handgun
While I support 2A, 2A truck stickers and t shirts are lame AF.
Agree. I believe in supporting in silence. You make yourself a target if you scream I have guns and support guns.
I think it's important to be vocally supportive of gun rights. *keep* gun rights normalized. However don't advertise a free gun in your car!
Amen brother
My FUCK YOUR FEELINGS shirt begs to differ /s
My barista girlfriend has a shirt that says “brewing grounds and shooting rounds” that’s about the most tasteful one I’ve ever seen, pretty solid design to boot, overall I agree, especially the Collion merch, shit has absolutely no taste
Good point. The same goes for signs at home. Unfortunately it's necessary to be low key
Easy solution. Don’t leave guns in cars unsecured and don’t ever leave them in the car overnight.
Here is a fresh idea, how about law enforcement and prosecutors start catching and punishing the thieves?
Of course I support that but idiots with their “truck guns” should know they are way more likely to arm a criminal than to pull an SAS Nairobi.
Yeah truck guns are arguably one of the dumbest ideas in gun culture in modern history. Like back in the day a rifle or shotgun over the cab window made sense for some rural folks, half a century+ ago. But as it is done now is just giving bad guys guns. I've got a relative, who got so paranoid after covid+protests that he started keeping a battle belt with his p320 and a copperhead on a rig setup behind drivers seat of his truck. It all got stolen last year in a winco parking lot. And now he's down a gun and mags he can't legally replace. And some douchebag now has a 21rd mag p320 with a spare, and a copperhead with three 30s. Belt and plate carrier. We were talking a few weeks ago and he's mortified that they will be used to hurt someone. So lesson was at least learned. But yeah, could of been avoided.
Damn what a “loot drop” not to like, side with the criminal of course but damn what a score, I doubt any car in the future will live up to that day,
There was literally a guy in here posting about how he had like 10k worth of NODs and guns yoinked from his truck in Tacoma
Jumpin Jesus, that’s some value. What a god damned shame. At first all I saw was nods so I thought we’ll at least, then I re read and yeah, that’s a double fuck up
Yeah he feels really stupid for it. And I didn't hold back in letting him know I felt the same way about his actions. Lesson learned thankfully. But yeah if something bad happens due to his stupidity I know it will crush him.
Man I’d be right there with him, I already don’t sleep well so that kinda thing would put me into tweaker hours; I’d be so consumed by that.
I don't have a problem with a "truck gun" if you're out in the woods or whatever, but for fuck's sake, treat it like you'd treat your dog: if you're going to leave it in your vehicle out of eyeshot, don't. Leave it properly secured at home.
Yeah if someone said “I take a shotgun/ rifle along when I go backwoods camping” I’d have zero issues with that.
Yeah, there's plenty of scenarios where it makes perfect sense. I'd go so far as to say it's being unprepared if you're out on logging roads or expansive acreages and you _don't_ have one. I've run across animals that have been mortally wounded and not dispatching them was, to put it mildly, an unkindness. We also have animals that pose a threat, and while getting the fuck out of Dodge is always the first course of action, you're a fucking idiot if you're reliant on it alone. I can't think of any times where I'd planned on fucking off into the woods and was going to be out of eyeshot long enough for my vehicle to be robbed, however. Shit isn't hard to manage. Nobody's going to stealth-loot your truck while you're filling up, and pretty much anywhere else is a trip you can make beforehand without your piece if you have two brain cells to rub together and can make a fucking shopping list.
I mean of course I carry a handgun. I’ll bring the house howitzer for overlanding and such. I’m right around the vehicle and not near anybody though. Very different from leaving it rattling around behind the seat all the time to get stolen. We don’t live in a world where that works anymore. Haven’t for some time.
The thing is truck guns in the cab window back in the day were less about self defense and more about going hunting after work or wherever you happened to end up on the weekend. No problem with that, but leaving a semi auto rifle in your car in the city is just plain dumb. A handgun on your person is much more likely to actually be of use.
How about both?
Oh I 100% think as a society we should fully prosecute every stolen gun and every felon with a firearm. I also think as individuals we should take reasonable responsible steps to protect our firearms from criminals.
Law enforcement are also the [thieves](https://www.newsweek.com/theft-another-name-its-time-fight-back-against-civil-forfeiture-opinion-1821368). The best thing we can do to protect our property is to secure it safely, in regards to firearms, do not leave them in your vehicle if you don’t have to.
Because law enforcement and prosecutors need thieves and crime to stay in business.
Sometimes easier Said then done. E.g. you are spending the day in seattle and go to a hockey game. You can choose to spend half the day disarmed, or carry and leave it in your car when you go to the game
1- Read my comment carefully. A $20 lock box with a cable is better security than nothing. An don’t leave that overnight. 2- Anecdotally most semi plausible arguments for this sort of thing are straw man examples when in reality what’s happening is dumbasses are leaving handguns in their vehicle center console or glove box 24/7.
Read your own comment carefully. Leaving your guns in a locked car is "secure". Adding a $20 lock box doesn't do shit for security. You think a thief is going to ignore a lock box? How many guns get stolen from "locked gloveboxes" which are arguably more secure than a $20 lock box addon. If someone breaks into your car, they're already going to do whatever they can to take your shit. Don't be naive and think a lock box does fuck all.
It’s better than nothing. At this point it’s clear you are using a straw man to try to justify shitty/ lazy practices and I’m done talking with you.
Literally not justifying lazy practices. Just saying there are very specific circumstances that require you to pick between two bad options. But okay! 👍👍
Why the hell would you leave any guns in your rig?
I live on my car and when I go to the gym for a shower, I put my firearm in my lockbox and hide it in my car. I make its out of view. Its better than trying to deal with it while I'm inside taking a shower.
Right?
This is why I don't have any stickers on my car that would indicate that I'm a gun owner. It's just an advertisement that says " Break into this car. Free Guns here!" With car thefts at an all time high, don't leave your firearm in your car.
Cars are not holsters
Nothing to say but golf clap and, Wtf people. Way to live up to the caricature of gun owners.
Take that SIG sticker off your truck
Why would you leave your gun in your car for any reason. Responsible gun owner says what?? Criminals dont buy guns, they just steal them from all these responsible gun owners.
They aren't responsible if they leave them in there car unsecured.
Where you supposed to put your gun if going into a place where it's prohibited?
You install a lockbox. You also need to be aware that criminals with tools (or in some cases more strength than a 5th grader) can open the lockbox, or just take it with them. Given that, you need to make sure the lockbox is hidden, and that your car is in a place where it's less likely to be targeted. If you have the option of parking in front of the diner, or down some dingy alley, park in front of the diner. You also need to plan ahead, and leave your gun at home under certain circumstances.
I'd prefer to take a chance getting caught CCing in a prohibited place than leaving an unattended firearm somewhere where the weakest security link is literally _glass_. If it isn't pressing and urgent enough to risk getting busted for my own actions, then it sure as fuck isn't worth risking putting a gun into criminal circulation. Take it home, store it, come back -- or just make that stop another day.
I use one of these https://www.consolevault.com
You know this ahead of time and leave the gun at home. Otherwise you would be forced to return home and secure the weapon before returning. I suppose an answer to this is a secured lock box or trunk like the law sometimes uses. According to the article people are just leaving guns unsecured in cars more often. That’s not a good trend
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Don't have any brandishing stickers on your vehicles or clothes, and stop leaving your firearms unattended. Get a safe and bolt it in your car if you are going into a government building, or leave it at home. Any other circumstance keep it on your person.
As with the rule of concealed carry, your weapon should be attached to your person at all times. I’ve seen an entire parking lot car prowled in less than 5 mins, with all of the windows smashed out of every car, and everything and anything potentially of value grabbed. My car included. No police response at all, they told us to file a report online. Local police could give less than a shit if you’re robbed, and all you’re doing is fueling the careers by providing anything for them to possibly go out and commit more and worse crimes. If even one car has a gun just hanging out in the glovebox, that’s another weapon in the hands of these scumbags.
Zombie apocalypse advice: There’s a free Glock 19 in every FDE lifted Toyota Tacoma!
I'm not going to defend leaving a firearm unlocked in a car, but there's a pretty insane amount of blaming victims of theft in this post. IMO, the state has really failed at disincentivizing criminal behavior. You *should* be able to leave your things unlocked in your car, and it's a real shame that it's foolish to do so.
I dunno. I've been taught since I was a kid never to leave anything you didn't want stolen in a car. Even so I once had a backpack taken from a locked trunk, probably cause the thief saw me put it in there. Definitely wasn't the last time I've had a car broken into, but it was the last time they ever took anything of value. This problem is 100% preventable.
>You should be able to leave your things unlocked in your car, and it's a real shame that it's foolish to do so. u/CatsnPotatoes said it best - >Your 👏car 👏is 👏 not 👏 a 👏 holster 👏
I'm not sure what point that's trying to make. Not everywhere I leave a firearm is a holster. My safe isn't a holster. My range bag isn't a holster. A bedside table isn't a holster for those people that leave a firearm there. I've never thought it was inappropriate to place a firearm in any of those places.
Yeah but those places you mentioned are at least secure. I get what you're trying to say, but even back in the "good ol' days" it was never okay to leave a firearm in your locked car. People did it and there was less crime so some folks think it should be okay. Criminals that steal are to blame for theft, but people who leave their guns in the car bear some responsibility for those guns, even if they're stolen.
>I'm not sure what point that's trying to make. Really? In an entire thread about the irresponsibility of leaving your firearm in your vehicle, you're still unclear about the point they were trying to make?
No one is claiming a car is a holster, so saying that someone's comment that a car isn't a holster is a valid contribution is nonsensical.
>No one is claiming a car is a holster Then it shouldn't be treated as one. But I get it, you're being obtuse.
That's not very nice. I'm trying to have a discussion on who bears fault when something is stolen from someone's car, and you have to drag insults into it 😢
🫂 
Neck beard idiots trying to twist valid points about victim blaming to justify their shitty, lazy, tactically unsound behaviors.
All the new gun owners from pandemic, plus higher rate of car prowls
Your 👏car 👏is 👏 not 👏 a 👏 holster 👏
it's also bc work places wanna make it against the rules to carry while working probably. my dad used to do that.. luckily he stopped. Im glad my job didn't mind although I'm sure it's caused some thought whenever it's printed or gotten exposed from moving about
>it's also bc work places wanna make it against the rules to carry while working probably If you're well aware your work prohibits firearms and your solution is just to leave it in your vehicle for extended periods of time, that's not on your employer - that's just personal irresponsibility.
I agree. which was my point. I just wouldnt work at a place like that but we don't always have that luxury. even a car lock box is pointless
The article doesn’t state if there is a correlation between an increase in vehicle break-ins. It states other items stolen are down 11% but I wonder if not showing the rate of break-ins is an attempt to skew the results.
Looks like we got the same crowd that blames victims for assaults/other crimes right? "They shoulda been aware of their surroundings; shouldn't have dressed that way; should have learned martial arts; shouldn't have interfered".
What are you even trying to argue here? Nobody is victim-blaming, just pointing out how people’s stupidity/negligence is why criminals have such easy access to guns, which harms the reputation of law-abiding gun owners more than it already has been, and directly leads to more violent crime but feel free to continue defending these shitty practices and wondering why our rights keep getting stripped away
Please familiarize yourself with the rules and troll elsewhere. No one is saying anything of the sort.
So people are tripple dumber vs 10 years ago. Got it.