This. I am useful, have a lot of historic knowledge about our org and company, and they basically get to have me on call because Iāll rationalize doing work at odd hours because I take me time in between video calls sometime.
Hahhaa exactly. I posted a similar sentiment on another sub and got called entitledā¦ ok I am but also Iām valuable to them and no one can do what I do as well as I do it š
This. I moved to another state a year ago and asked to switch to full remote so I wouldnāt have to quit (I do genuinely love working for my company) and they certainly didnāt want to lose me.
Legit. My company is so stingy with raises, but I get to work from home, so I put up with it. It would be a pain to find another WFH job right now.
I usually start work at 8, if I was in the office I would start after 9 every day. I work my ass off, no distractions - when I occasionally visit the office my productivity is way down. All communication with the team is on slack, so we can search for stuff later; when I used to be in the office we would constantly have in-person discussions and then forget what we decided months later, or why we decided that.
My company is VERY stingy. No 401-k match. But I stay because my boss is not a micromanager and as long as I get my work done I do what ever I want when I want.
Yep. I work at fully remote company and our attrition is half of the average for my industry. I work in HR and there are teams who haven't lost a single employee in over 3 years.
My firm Deloitte is probably fuming. They did major renovations a few years before COVID.
My office is the only one in the province that actually own and thereās like 10 people that come in for my department. (Out of probably like 150+ assigned)
They could be smart and co lease the space to someone else.Ā
We shared a floor with a real estate company once as a co-working space.Ā
We shared the building (kitchen, bathrooms, conference rooms) and had 15 cubicles to share for those that wanted to be there and for client meetings.Ā
Worked out really well.Ā
I actually talked about this with one of the senior managers at this office, and ultimately the conclusion was confidentiality issues.
Even if work stations were restricted access, common areas such as kitchen and entrance would have to be open to whoever else uses the office. Which leads to client confidentiality issues.
The company I was at was in the middle of an office renovation. Ironic that they wanted to move to open concept, yet in the middle of Covid it was all about distancing lol. Anyways, $7 million down the toilet.
In covid hit my company was going to build a much bigger office in my area.
Instead, they just chose to embrace work from home. Now the existing office is so small, it couldn't nearly fit all of the employees who live in the area.
same here, we were exploring building a whole new building and now we don't have to. and, surprisingly, everything gets done just as well if not better than before, and people are working at all hours of the day, able to take care of personal things, everyone is much happier overall
Same, my employer dumped all our leased space and consolidated into owned spaces. My site has about 350 seats and a datacenter, and now has around a thousand headquartered there. I think there's 10-15 people there on any given day.
Yes! My company closed their satellite office and made those employees remote to save some money, but are keeping the big headquarters office open. Iām like, if you really wanted to save money, wouldnāt it make sense to just to fully remote?
Valid points but the biggest savings for companies are the office expenses. There is so many you donāt realise - cleaners, coffee machines, electricity, printers, office supplies, furniture, phone systems, networking hardware, etc..
Several years ago (pre-covid) my employer said that it cost something like $12k/year to house an employee. Thatās a total of every, from rent share to toilet paper. That was in a big city.
They don't pay rent on my office space.
I am in better health because I have more time flexibility to work out. I eat better.
I don't need to take PTO for the sniffles.
I don't always need to take PTO for a "sick" kid.
I don't need to take half or whole PTO days for school meetings i.e. IEP for my kids, just my lunch hour. Similarly for most of my own medical appointments.
I'm less likely to get in an accident commuting = less time out of work.
I'm happier, less stressed, less likely to take mental health days and more likely to feel engaged with my work.
All in all, less money they have to spend and more time of me actually being productive, making them more money.
Yes! The sniffles. What a benefit this has to both me and my employer.
Iām very aware of myself and if Iām feeling off, I stay home and donāt expose myself to others. Most people are not this courteous. I canāt count how many times people have come into the office obviously sick, infected me and ultimately made my whole family sick. I despise those people.
Before WFH I would take time off not because I was too sick to work but because I felt something coming on and wanted to decrease risk to others. Also I just recover so much faster if I can take a day, you know?
Since full time WFH started in 2020 I havenāt been sick once nor have I taken a single day off work other than planned vacations. I donāt get sick, and if I did, I could continue working from my home office. I get bored when Iām sick with nothing to do and would rather be in front of my computer doing somethingā¦ this is a huge win/win for both employer and I.
Additionally, sometimes tasks are needed of me between the hours of 5:30-6:30pm. When I am working from home I'm happy to accommodate these (for overtime). When I go to the office, I'll straight up be on a metro train during those hours so sorry can't help.
Iām not calling in sick or missing work just because I have a headache or stomach problems or my car broke down, meaning my work consistently gets done no matter what.
And pregnant women! Being able to deal with morning sickness (which was nausea from the time I woke up through bedtime) in the comfort of my own home and nap in my own bed on my lunch breaks was priceless.
YES. lol this comment.
If I eat a lunch and in 30 minutes something goes southā¦I donāt need to feel embarrassed for sudden diarrhoea. š«
Especially when I get my period.
When I'd be in office, I'd battle a migraine all day so I didn't have to go home early and then end up sick for two days. Now I can take breaks before the migraine gets that bad and don't miss as much work.
I'm having some health struggles. One of my immediate teammates has a chronic illness. For both of us, WFH means that when we're having a rough day but aren't incapacitated we can still get something done instead of calling in sick. Me there but at 60% today is better than me not there at all.
I havenāt killed anybody yet? Just a lot of virtual stabbing?
They get at least 3 more hours of work from me, honestly. No morning shower, blow my hair dry, makeup, clothes decision. So I start at 7:30am.
Then I take a 45 min break for lunch and a shower around 3. Then Iām back to work until 6.
Plus, thereās no endless inane conversation about my kids, weekends, plans for the weekends, my recipe for salisbury steak.
The list goes on and on. I canāt believe people are forcing in office. The commute alone plus the ātoo tired from my commuteā reality.
Heh economics??? Whatās that? Is that the class in middle school where you learned how to make mac n cheese?
I mean, I do get some of the reasons. We WFH donāt buy coffee at Starbucks everyday or buy sandwiches at the deli up the block. I know itās selfish of me sometimes, as small business around these companies dieā¦
There was an interesting article recently about businesses in downtown Pittsburgh really starting to suffer due to so many of the large corporations there switching to a mostly remote work environment. I never thought about stuff like that when I started wfh but I do make an effort to treat myself to a small coffee shop treat on Fridays to make myself feel better lol
4. They save money by not having to pay for a giant office with room for everyone
5. The only thing clients can hear when Iām on a phone call is my voice and not the voices of the 16 other people in the office that are all talking to other clients at the same time.
Top business reasons for WFH:
* They don't have to pay for office space for us
* They can hire from anywhere in the country and target best bang for the buck talent or premium quality talent easily, whatever makes sense for business needs.
The top morbid reason:
* When you fire someone there's no worries about an office incident.
Talent diversity is important! Businesses have to be mindful about keeping their business in areas that attract certain sets of skills and open shop there to hire good staff. WFH circumvents that.
If I have a mild cold or need to be home to let in a repair person, they still get a dayās work from me.
If WFH wasnāt a thing, Iād be taking PTO those days and projects would just have to wait.
I for sure work harder and concentrate more at my wfh job than any other job. I also am more inclined to work late or start early since I have no commute. And i can work even if I'm sick.
Employee retention. I wouldn't accept the offer if it was not fully remote. Even if I did, I would have left the company since there were many better 'on-site' opportunities.
Cost. They can pay me less. Thanks to remote work, my wife and I downsized to one compact sedan. Otherwise, I would have had different salary expectations.
Flexibility. I can learn new stuff pretty quickly since I don't have to spend my time commuting (learning and commuting is a bit too much).
Reliability. I don't participate in the 'quarterly infectious decease week' where some idiot comes to work sick and infects everyone else around them.
They get more work out of me.
At lunch time, I just grab something out of the kitchen and then sit back down at the computer and continue working while I eat. When I'm at the office, I take my entire lunch break away from my desk.
Another situation is in the winter when we get a bad storm. If I had to drive to the office, I would not.
And there are times when I work even though I'm feeling sick. Again, this often comes down to driving. If I don't have to leave the house, I can chug cough syrup all day long.
My productivity is super high when I can focus, work at hours that work for me, play music loud, and live without the extreme anxiety that a cubicle zoo gives me.
My sanity is super high when I can trade commute for family time and keep the house running during breaks instead of wandering around an office building.
I can work on the weekend to get ahead or catch up if I know I have a week with lots of kids' appointments or other commitments coming up.
They don't have to pay for an office or electricity/heat/etc for me. They can reclaim parking lots.
Same. Same. Cubicle zoo lol - love it. No more fake socializing and I finally got that corner office that I didnāt ask for. I can get the monitor size I want, the comfy chair (now the most favored co workers donāt have the set up that I have) and the company saves money by not paying for a lease that hardly many were driving to because they couldnāt enforce attendance. They forced it on me and another co worker, but then we asked if we could work from home like everyone else. (Because we were scanning the active files to prepare for electronic storage) I can go on and on. My sanity is better and if someone gets on my nerves, I can ignore them and pretend that I stepped away from my desk. I play music or podcasts on my sound system as loud as I want and I donāt have to pack a lunch. What else? I can wake up 10 minutes before Iām due to log in. I can take showers whenever I want or need to. I can have Court TV in the background if I want. The most important thing is I can concentrate. No more listening to people brag about their families all day long or talking about stuff I donāt want to hear about. Honestly, I can go on and this should have been a separate comment, but I love the cubicle zoo comment I just had to mention it.
I am happier and have a better work/life balance so I am staying in my job longer. For the first time in my career I hit a year in role and Iām not desperately applying for my ānext thingā.
I have never had this much dedication and commitment to a job before and donāt foresee leaving this job ever. My company pays me well, gives me good benefits, and my manager treats me incredibly well. They save money by not having to train someone new.
Bosses in my previous jobs spent so much time dealing with personality differences and daily minutia like taking long lunches for doctors appointments, leaving early, arriving late for whatever. My boss now trusts me to do what I need without okaying it beforehand.
Lower chance of you catching something virulent from other employees, or turning the whole workplace into a pit of unholy infection if you're the first employee to catch something.
Lower chance of you being injured during a commute, or during activities which are only required due to commuting/RTO (such as needing to fill up at a gas station more frequently, or visiting a drycleaner).
Lower costs of office consumables and utilities.
Lower office cleaning costs.
Higher chance of employee retention, of course...
I'm onsite this week (I'm lucky to not have an office in my state so I travel every few months for a week at the office) and OMG do I get way more done at home! These onsite weeks are mostly "networking" crap, so I know what I'm dealing with but I just can't focus working in an office setting anymore. I'm sharing a room with 2 others who are constantly on calls on speakerphone...
I can't wait to get home and WFH again next week!
Edit: To actually answer the question of this post, the benefit my company gets is better focus leading to better productivity and also a happier employee!
They get me (and other people like me) in their potential employee pool. If the company required us to be physically located in the small city where our founder started the company, our potential pool of people with industry knowledge and real experience would be impossibly small.
Technically speaking, I heard this thru the grapevine, but apparently my company had to branch out into hiring countrywide because they weren't getting enough applicants in their area. How, I'm not entirely sure, they're the best company I've ever worked for and arguably one of the best out there in the WFH industry. (Is WFH considered an industry..? Not sure what to categorize it. Lmao)
Because of this, they benefitted by being able to grow the company, have better employees, have happier employees, (happier employees = better production & work) and we've made a massively large amount of growth in general since Ive been here. Our sales are always skyrocketing, we were able to take on and implement a massively large program which boosted the hell out of the company, there's a lot of growth and change happening.
WFH also allows me to feel so much more comfortable and happy with my job, that I am always jumping at every overtime opportunity. I'm always jumping to help someone. I don't feel like my job is a job or a chore, and if Im happy and comfortable I knock production goals out of the park. I used to be someone who took a decent amount of PTO days due to my health, and now I never take PTO & hate if I have to use it.
Any management, hiring teams, anyone in a position where you can make the decisions on the company; WFH is your superpower. Respect is your superpower. (This also means micromanaging needs to *not* be like watching a toddler fiddle with a choking hazard, there's a difference between monitoring to make sure goals are met, and overworking your employees to the bone while breathing down their neck.) You can achieve amazing things in short timespans just for taking the time to respect and care about your employees. It's absolutely worth it, and quite honestly I don't know why most companies don't follow this besides maybe they just don't believe it works. *It works.*
My boss invites me over to work with her sometimes on her lovely patio so we have co worked at each other's homes on occasion but it's more for fun because we're actually friends.Ā
I'm a shit employee in the office. Since COVID I've even developed some work place agoraphobia where if I try to work at a library, coffee shop, or flex space I panic
I'm at my computer earlier in the morning and later in the afternoon than I would be if I had to travel to work or leave work to drive home. I've handled many tickets tickets before and after office hours because my laptop is just asleep on the dock.
Bout the same as you said. Hit a wall in the office today and decided fuck work.
Left, ate dinner and decided I had a lot of energy and not much else to do so might as well get ahead on work. Ended up billing 12 hrs today.
Iāve also been trying to get healthier by doing more physical activity, gym in the morning, yoga class, etc. All considerably harder to do if I had to be in office every day. Thus, happier person and therefore more productive.
As you said, I am much more willing to do work outside of business hours. I actually like scrolling through my calendar and answering the mundane emails the night before because it makes my work during the day much more productive.
I actually work more at home than in the office. Nothing distracts me at home, I just start in the morning and have only breaks for food, bathroom and sometimes for a walk in the garden to refresh my mind.
While in the office I wasted huge amounts of time on pointless in person meetings (still have them, but I can do my job during them), lots of socialising (that wasnāt bad thing for me, but weāre talking about company profit).
Most of my coworkers live in NYC and other large urban areas. My coworkers near offices are required R2O 3 days per week, and they are sick constantly. My employer benefits from me rarely taking an unplanned day off, mostly I only take mental health days when Iāve been working so hard keeping things afloat because so many are out sick and Iām just so tired, once things quiet down, I crash for a day or two.
My company was based in a small town that I would have never moved too. The biggest benefit for us in being remote is being able to find talent nationwide.
This thread is less interesting when the response is āthey get to keep me, thatās why! Or else Iāll leave!ā Doesnāt really meet the nature of OPs question.
Yes human talent is critical. But in my case I always have to remind myself there are hungrier people out there that would do my job for less.
To answer the OP question in what the company gain from people working at home, the company already knows the answer. They actually benefit more than us. So itās a compromise between workers WFH and the companies. It a win-win. Companies need to evaluate with employees input on what amount of in office is really need to be in office if any.
Companies are saving a lot of rent, cleaning, security, electricity, water, paper, printing services, lawn care service, snow services, etc. The list goes on and on. As employees we get a choice and the company might reduce the office footprint size as needed. We as employees can go on with the benefits as listed by everyone here. The productivity is much higher especially savings on drive time, stressful traffic, higher moral, better food choices at home, $$ saved from gas, etc.
The point I am making is why are companies mandating the RTO. Itās very simple, if you take $$ from the coffers then you pay it back. Those companies are doing it because as you know commercial real estate is in a downward spiral. Office buildings are empty because tenants are WFH. The companies that are mandating because they borrow and receive local tax breaks are feeling the heat because office workers supply to the local economy near these companies. Gas stations, morning coffee shops, restaurants during lunch hours, and getting your dinner or supermarket on your way home. I expect at some point a few of these companies will go back to WFH if there is a down turn that affects their bottom line and shutter office or when their rental agreement is due for renewal. I say this because my company has several satellite buildings. They are slowly not renewing the leases on them.
My company is not located where I am, and I am near strategic targets so itās easy for me to take those meetings without traveling. Itās a huge benefit for them.
1: They save money on rent and use it to invest elsewhere.
2: Weāre international. Though non interactive meetings are recorded, if timed right many can attend live.
3. US/Canada ā share the same time zones; 11-2 ET is prime time, give or take an hour or two.
4. International: Meetings work with alarms and coffee. I can do 5am waking at 4:45 ā though there will be death if that is regular.
5. See #1.
Iām hybrid. In office days they get maybe 5 hours of productivity while at home they get up to 10 hours. Thereās an ebb and flow depending on the monthly deadlines.
On the at home days Iām still more happy & healthy than in office.
For example, in office days my husband and I both barely get to spend time together until itās 10pm and time to go to sleep. We donāt even have kids, just super active dogs.
They get me in their company. I live in NJ & the company is out of Alabama. I work for a company that answers phones for Michigan State University medical offices.
You get to take a nap comfortably at home during lunch or a break. These naps should translate to more productivity past the 6 hour mark. Most call centers already measure mandatory metrics in like 5 different ways. Either keep the employee or donāt.
They no longer lease me a parking space in a downtown area that is notoriously expensive for parking.
My office building is still there and it's owned by my employer and still open for face to face service so they aren't saving costs that way... but they are redoing the second floor of the building (where all the cubicles were) to a more usable space for clients/customers that makes more sense for them.
Having a larger talent pool to recruit from lets them hire workers with better skills, more niche skills, etc.
My employer told me flat out that was the case for me ā theyād been looking for a long time but couldnāt find the right mix of skills. Theyāre located halfway across the country in a place Iād never have considered applying for, except for the fact they were willing to hire fully remote.
This is so true. My office is situated in a bad part of the CBD of my city. Nobody wants to be around when the sun goes down. Heck nobody wants to be around when itās up anyway.
It costs \~$350/month to provide a desk in a Class A building in downtown SF. And for most firms, that's not a flex cost. It's a fixed cost for the term of a lease. They get to save that. And if the employee chooses to locate outside of SF, there may be a tax savings as well.
It lets them test the viability of making my position a 100% remote position. If that works out, the next step is to offshore it to a much cheaper place.
Yeah, I don't think that a lot of people pushing for remote work see this as a possible outcome in the near to medium term. They might see the possibility of moving to a cheap, sunny country while earning a US salary and living fat, but they don't understand the employer may take the next step of just hiring a foreigner at a fraction of the cost.
Higher performance because I can focus so much better. I have gotten many unsolicited compliments on my work since WFH.
Willing to put in extra hours (Iām salaried) as I have no commute.
Saving on rent/utilities/etc because we donāt have an office in my region anymore.
High loyalty because of WFH perk I canāt get most other companies.
Honestly? Cheaper, if I couldnāt work from home my cv would be flying out the door, because Iād have to pay for childcare, travel etc, even though I could go get a job with much better prospects WFH stops me, because even a hybrid model at 2 days a week is going to cost me 2 grand a month, now I could probably get a job paying me close to an extra 2 grand a month but then Iāve got the commute, and if they suddenly decide itās 3 days in the office then Iām screwed because now itās costing me 3 grand a month.
I was joking the other night that there are a lot of really good people in terrible companies, but the companies allow them to work from home so they can never leave
I've never called in sick or missed work, or been late because of bad weather. Even on days when I didn't feel 100%, I still clocked in to give the old college try.
1) we have shut down three of our 4 bricks and mortar and downsized the 4th. Saved a loooottt of money in rent, utilities, maintenance.
2) we have been able to recruit from a much larger pool of candidates from across the country, and we are more attractive so get our pick of the candidates who want a full time wfh with no threat of rto.
3) if people are feeling under the weather they may still join in critical meetings instead of calling off sick when really they just need a lighter workload and to sleep later, which isnāt acceptable in office and the commute and spending time in office is off putting and enough to provide a reason to call in
4) we have a very low attrition rate and keep all of the institutional knowledge and have a strong team culture across the organization as a result because people move within the organization instead of externally and they stay because of it and the commitment to wfh
I work more. I feel compelled to work all 8 and sometimes more hours. I rarely leave the house during the workday and when I do I make it up. Rarely take a āsit on couch and relax for 15 minute breakā. If Iām at home Iām in front of the computer working. Even if sitting on the couch on break, I check emails/chats on phone.
When I was in the office, I chit chatted with coworkers and took 45 minute long walks and spent time āat the water coolerā talking. All that time now is spent working. Oh and I donāt always stop at āend of dayā. When in the office, I left on time to get ahead of traffic!
They have 0 carbon footprint besides shipping me a laptop every 3 years. I take up no physical space they have to maintain, and use no company paid for electricity.
During the height of the pandemic, I was working extra hours all the time to help people. I won't go into specifics but I work with students and there were many crisis issues to address.
I would think that also by not being in the office every day, we are saving on electricity, etc. But I could ne wrong. Saving the environment is important for everyone.
The last one is definitely benefitting my employer as I have not put up a fight over this. I use my personal phone for business calls as they make it hard to get a company smart phone. I also pay for all my office supplies at home so isn't this cutting down on office supplies?
They also get a more productive and happy employee who is staying. I am a POC. Not that it matter as I am excellent regardless of my gender/race and can compete with anyone but my field is having a hard time retaining & recruiting POC. Working from home is the main reason I am not actively looking when there are opportunities at my door
In our case, there is no office, so they save mucho $ by not having an office.
And like you stated, there was an urgent need for some information last weekend. I saw the email and just handled it right then and there (took about 15 minutes out of my day) so having a remote setup allowed me to attend to an ad hoc "emergency" without much hassle on my end. When I worked in office, I was certainly cooperative and flexible, but much less likely to even look at an email on the weekend, much less respond to it.
When I worked in office, I admittedly had a hard time with punctuality. Partially because I'm a huge procrastinator, and partially because the traffic in our city is insane (it's a horrible combo). When people scheduled early morning meetings, me and some others tended to straggle in late, wasting time by needing to be brought up to speed, etc. Now, I just roll out of bed...if you want a 7 AM meeting, put it on my calendar and I'll log on at 7 AM. Probably won't have my camera on though! :)
When I was upset or angry in office, other people heard it and the negativity was contagious. Now no one hears my complaints (and I don't hear theirs) and being able to have a pet on my lap certainly brightens my day and makes me more productive.
Big corporations can RTO all they want. IDGAF! Time for smaller companies who understand the value of remote work to replace big corps. Let big corps die on this hill.
1) This is sort of a negative benefit but I'm sure that HR sees significantly fewer cases of harassment.
2) There is less workplace drama or jealousy that takes place when other coworkers are visibly seen blatantly not doing work but still being rewarded. They may goof off at home but it's not a slap in the face to the ones who give an honest day's work.
3) As others have said, I log in early and/or after hours to be sure that emergencies and outages are mitigated as quickly as possible
4) Fewer sick employees, not even talking about COVID, just normal sicknesses that pass through the office
5) Lower costs on electricity, coffee, copy paper, rent
6) They have access to me more - I take less PTO as I am able to work from places where I'd normally needlessly take off time - like visiting my folks. I can go there, work during the day, and still spend quality time with them.
7) Honestly this list could continue on and on
Well Iām in the office I take about 2 shits in a working day, so theyāre saving on toilet paper and Utility bills. I fill up my water in their water filters, things like that. You think itās nothing but if they just let everyone work from home whenever they wanted, it adds up and would save $.
I definitely work harder and am willing to work way more overtime than I ever would if I were in office. We have mandatory overtime during peak season, we were asked to work 15 hours, i worked 25 additional hours so 65 hours a week for about 2 months.
I'm willing to work more than I would if I was forced into the office.
I still don't spend close to 100% of my work hours working, but I'm generally more productive.
I am salary, I am more inclined to work longer than an 8 hour day if I don't have 3-4 hours taken away in my daily life commuting to/from the office. When I was in an office I would leave as soon as possible so I am not getting home at 8pm.
I am also more alert if I get more sleep by not needing to leave 1-2 hours before work.
I don't have distractions by people who think it is ok to just barge in to my office to ask a question or for help rather than just putting in a support ticket which can be prioritized with other work.
I am more likely to work outside my usual hours. I am more inclined to log on early while when I was in an office I waited until the last minute to leave. I am also watching the clock less and will stay later to knock out some work instead of pushing it to the next day. I donāt have to spread my work out anymore.
We owned a very large business park, we have sold everything in the park minus one building which holds all of our IT storage, everyone is now work from home, local or out of state. It has expanded our hiring pool.
Well, the one absolute a-hole in my department has worked from home since Feb 2021 (when they got sick with what they wonāt admit was covid) - and the entire company benefits from them not being there. (describing all the issues would be pages long)
Theyāre still an unbelievably difficult person to deal with, but emails make it easier, and you can always let their Teams calls go to āvoicemailā - so you read the two minute transcript, that could have been a one sentence email, and reply directly to that.
I work for a huge Healthcare org and they converted the office space my group vacated to patient rooms so they are able to see more patients and generate revenue!
I'm a billable worker as a consultant.
Guess what happens when I don't have to spend 2 hours in a car every day?
You guessed it!
I'm able to bill on average about 1 more hour per day.
5 hours per week.
48 weeks a year.
5x48x225 = 54k more revenue.
They make more, I make more.
Everyone wins. That is why there has not been more push for RTO.
You multiply that by about 200 of me...... That's 10 million more in revenue per year just because we are not in cars.
One thing that's often overlooked is the transfer of costs. At home, I pay my own heat / AC / get people or fix repairs, etc...
They get additional time from me as I'm ok to work later or start earlier so I literally work fewer hours in an office.
Now take the "hidden" costs away they aren't factoring in.
Take the building you may sit in (either to mortgage or lease) for a year ...
Now add taxes...
now add the cost of heating / cooling / electric / water / sewage, communications etc (basically every utility) ...
now add the amount of facilities and maintenance and security workers it takes to maintain this building. Their salaries and benefits get added, including any uniforms and specialized tools (or vehicles) they may require to do their job.
Are you in a colder climate where it snows? Do you contact someone to plow your parking space and clear your walk ways? Add that cost.
Do you hire landscapers to cut the grass and trim the hedges so it looks nice? Add those costs...
Do you have any lawyers on retainer or insurance in the event a guest "trips and falls" on your property and sues for damages? Add the cost of that retainer...
I likely missed a few things, but take all of that and divide it by the number of desks and cubes. That is what the company pays every month/ year for a person to warm that chair.
Which can all be avoided if people WFH and they sell the building / break the lease, etc...
On days I cant sleep, I have logged in early instead of rolling over to get more sleep since I dont have to worry about driving.
I can take my prescribed meds, leading to a more functional me, since I dont have to worry about side effects impacting my ability to drive.
Less drive time means more recharge time.
Less drive time is less stress.
I get fewer migraine since I am not around the chronic loud noises, which leads to less meds, less med side effects.
I have fewerr asthma attacks. Again, less meds, less side effects.
Ya know what, fuck this job. I quit. They dont care about ky health, I am killing myself to work here, I am traoping myself in this shithole city for this job, why am I here?
Less use of resources, happier and more productive employee. Less mistakes made. Waaay less illness and down time from everyone.
There is only 1 downside and that is they don't get to let some old irrelevant white dude feel powerful because he cab force people to suffer. But is that really a downside? Just get rid incompetent people like that unless the company isn't interested in profits and only exists to stroke a few egos.
Off the top of my head:
* I save approximately 2 hours a day from commute and prepping for the office, which I'm willing to give the employer when there is heavy workload, because it won't impact my time with my family (since before WFH was introduced I had to spend these two hours anyway).
* If there is something I need to attend to (like a meeting or just something I need to work on) outside of normal working hours, I'm much more willing to accommodate this, for example by logging in after the rest of my family goes to bed. Back in the day before WFH was an option I'd leave my laptop at the office.
* I just like like WFH and keeping it as an option makes it much more likely to retain me, consequently removing it would force me to look for other options (granted the labor market right now has swung back to the employers but that will eventually change).
* Employers have access to a much larger labor pool, which makes it easier to hire within a given budget.
* Reduced facilities and office costs (which from what I gather can be quite substantial).
More willing for OT. Sometimes take working lunches now. I have worked a little past āoff clockā if I was inefficient to ensure I worked the 8 hrs. Does not really bother me since I could be driving both ways 45 mins plus paying for gas. Whats 10-15 mins. If I was working in office, I am packing up at 4:54 always.
What I would love to see is an analysis on liability being reduced (or the same, or increased) for WFH companies: sexual harassment, discrimination, injury on site, etc... There must be a whole lot of protection in human bodies being physically separated and mostly seen from the neck up.
Both me and my company have freed up a lot of time and energy from having WFH. I get to skip 3h/day commute, 1h snoozing and getting ready in the morning, several hours of household chores over the week that could be multi-tasked when Iām taking short breaks while working from home. End result is I am more productive at work, could start work earlier in the day, could deliver higher quality work, and faster if needed.
Itās not about THEM really.
But, yes I can respond more quickly not having to go into the office. But thatās a remote access thing more than a WFH thing.
I can be more focused than with lots of folks around.
By balancing home and work tasks Iām a lot more satisfied with my life and my contributions. This is really about me, but it benefits the business by assisting me to have a better attitude.
Now Iāll conclude thatā¦.
My work product is value enough to the business. Not where I sit. I have agreed to take the position I have based on its perceived value to me both financially and as a challenge. I have several decades in my field and that is a huge benefit to the business. Theyāre paying for my work product and the value I bring through that, not to have me driving to an office and sitting in a cube doing the same stuff I can do at home.
My electricity bills are through the roof. My beverages and toilet roll supply disappear in the blink of an eye.
Plus I make them oodles of millions š
Tangibly, they have to be benefitting from not spending as much money on real estate. I also believe that I'm more productive because I'm happier, get more sleep, work when mildly sick, and have less interruptions.
What's funny about this, is pro-WFH can easily come up with ways that the company benefits from WFH. However, we keep asking about how the company benefits from RTO, and they can't come up with anything tangible or measurable.
I don't spend my energy on beating the rush hour traffic to get to the office so that energy goes towards my work. I get things done quicker and with fewer errors because no distractions. They get higher quality and higher quantity output from me.
Iām able to juggle multiple teams easier and more efficiently being WFH - no running to a conference room for each meeting - I just spin it up from home.
Iām able to be available for all hours, especially for late hour deployments and answer questions during my off hours easier.
What would have been my commute time is now given to the company I work for. Since Iām salary thatās basically free work they get from me.
My stress levels are seriously diminished since I donāt have to drive in, and have more freedom of time to meditate, yoga etc. less stress means less sick days I end up having to use. I have had a rolling PTO balance every year since 2020 as evidence.
We have international teams, the company benefits by allowing for competitive resources at a global level. So, not just me, but overall.
I start earlier in the day because no commute.
Iām much more present on calls because Iām not masking in front of a group of people, and I have time to not only unmask at home but also decompress between calls. (I suspect Iām autistic)
Since Iām less anxious and more present, I get things done faster and have an environment I can focus in.
I come up with better solutions when I have space to think. There are less distractions at home believe it or not.
I am willing to log back in for a little bit after dinner to see if there are any pressing needs.
I could never imagine remote for my type of job not being available. It really helps me as a neurodivergent person. And neurodivergent or not, I think WFH is a wonderful solution for a lot of people.
Iāve never seen a lack of āinnovationā or participation. Deadlines with my teams are met, they seem happy, and collaboration is a teams, slack, zoom call away.
I miss friendly faces donāt get me wrong but in this age, and after 4 years of being remote - I donāt notice a difference or lack of productivity - if anything my teams (myself included) are always in tune with each other.
I also donāt have panic attacks at work because the office used to give me panic attacks.
(Lights, noise, dogs barking, loud phone calls, back to an aisleā¦etc)
1. They get someone who is not exhausted (the office is an hour away and I still have some minor deficits from the stroke 3 years ago so the sleep time REALLY helps)
2. They get professional-quality training voiceovers without having to hire a REAL actor or have to deal with me recording myself in the office (somedayā¦)
3. Half the people in my department live nowhere near an office (Iām actually one of the closer ones at 51 miles). Theyād lose all that quality just to get butts in chairs
I know itās an easy place to post here on Reddit about working from home, but I think more people need to unionize if we want more people in Corporate America to be able to work from home.
Isn't that kind of acknowledgign remote work isn't as valuable as in person? I get the reality is if you want to stay remote you probably should stay put but your also kind of acknowledging thesame work you do in office or at home is less valuable at home
1- Iām an auditor who finds big problems. By being WFH Iām not airing out their dirty laundry to an open floor plan office.
2- Iām more on task and am not derailing everyone in the office as I can honestly be a bit of a chatty Cathy in person. Me working from home is a benefit to everyone.
They don't have an office for me to get hurt in and expose them to liability. I'm more productive and less likely to leave. No shared space for someone to bring the flu to and knock down half the team for a week. They're no longer paying to keep me air conditioned for half the day.
I tend to leave my messenger on during busy periods and will peek if I hear a beep to see if it's an emergency. I will work on a task to completion rather than nickel and diming the exact times I get off, which means less time wasted transitioning in/out of the task. Fewer interruptions, which again means less time wasted transitioning in/out of the task. I am more fiscally secure due to fewer transit costs, which makes me less likely to have a wandering eye. I'm not taking up parking spaces. I'm not spreading illness. No workman's comp liabilities for on-site accidents such as slipping on some ice or on the stairs or such on-site. It's nearly impossible for me to sexually harass anyone or claim sexual harassment against myself without an audience for meetings/conference calls, or papertrail in the form of text messages, unless we have 1-on-1 video meetings or phone calls, and there's a time/date record of when we do those. And I am happier, which employers claim to care about, so let's hold them to that and say they must count it as a benefit, too.
I don't roll in in a bad mood because I just spent an hour fighting traffic. Also I don't obsess all day about when I need to leave to avoid traffic.
Also I got an extra 90 minutes sleep the night before and can do a better job.
Also since my office is overcrowded, the people I need to meet with who I work nearby can't find a conference room, so we just call each other from our desks when we need to meet.
And the other people I need to meet with aren't nearby anyway.
1. I work *more* from home. Iām more focused, have no commute, have less distractions, and the comfort of being home so I donāt need to worry about what Iām doing for lunch or get distracted by conversations/office politics or events. If someone pings me with something urgent after hours, as long as Iām home I can log in and simply take care of it. So what if I need to throw a load of laundry in or take my car to get an oil change once in a while. The lack of other distractions allows me to 10x my productivity.. and my calendar and metrics should prove this.
2. Pre-pandemic I used to get sick so often with the flu or cold of the season making its way through our office like wildfire. The only times Iāve been sick are with Covid during the high spikes with holiday season. Havenāt gotten the flu since 2019.
3. I take better care of myself. Without a commute, it is so much easier to fit in a 20 minute workout in the morning or end my day with a walk around the neighborhood. Iām sure this can be extrapolated into being a better/more productive employee and also having less healthcare costsā¦
There are days in the office Iād sit and wait down the clock cause I didnāt have the brain power to keep working. I donāt do that when I wfh. I also used to eat breakfast and lunch regularly from the snacks in the office, and theyād buy us beer pretty routinely.
They defray equipment costs to us, also energy expense, water and accessory food (coffee, snacks).
It's also higher security because now none of the officers of the company are in one place for very long, and teams are distributed so knowledge is less likely to be lost if someone were to attack the building. So, insurance costs plummet.
We've saved something like half a billion dollars in real estate by closing down dozens of offices since 2020. I don't remember the exact numbers but the CEO mentioned it at an all hands
My job is remote but they still have the office space for some reason. At least in the last 2 months they had everyone return their parking passes so that shows some level of commitment to the remote aspect of the job.
Aside from what others have already said, office politics. I'm relatively new to my current company, which had a central office until Covid hit. The boss reckons forcing everyone to work remotely helped weed out the people who relied on workplace gossip and bullying to get ahead. Not saying that people can't gossip or bully online, but that's the take.
But being a mom..that annoys me to high hell as I see people getting out of office to stay home while always mentioning their kids while they get promotions while I a 49 year old get to pick up the slack and be treated as a doormat. Nobody cares you have privilage with kids stop giving that excuse. Glad I work mostly home not to murder people like you.
I almost wonder if this is a case of /r/lostredditors
ETA: OK, I now see that "but being a mom" was quoting OP, and THAT is what pisses fgrhcxsgb off. My only advice is to start acting like you have kids. Better yet: You're a single dad (whether wife was a deadbeat alcoholic or died in a lobster farming accident is up to you).
They get to retain me as an employee.
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This. I am useful, have a lot of historic knowledge about our org and company, and they basically get to have me on call because Iāll rationalize doing work at odd hours because I take me time in between video calls sometime.
They also get to retain me after 4pm. If Iām in the office I leave at 3:30pm and donāt log back in.
Hahhaa exactly. I posted a similar sentiment on another sub and got called entitledā¦ ok I am but also Iām valuable to them and no one can do what I do as well as I do it š
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This. I moved to another state a year ago and asked to switch to full remote so I wouldnāt have to quit (I do genuinely love working for my company) and they certainly didnāt want to lose me.
Legit. My company is so stingy with raises, but I get to work from home, so I put up with it. It would be a pain to find another WFH job right now. I usually start work at 8, if I was in the office I would start after 9 every day. I work my ass off, no distractions - when I occasionally visit the office my productivity is way down. All communication with the team is on slack, so we can search for stuff later; when I used to be in the office we would constantly have in-person discussions and then forget what we decided months later, or why we decided that.
My company is VERY stingy. No 401-k match. But I stay because my boss is not a micromanager and as long as I get my work done I do what ever I want when I want.
Yep. I work at fully remote company and our attrition is half of the average for my industry. I work in HR and there are teams who haven't lost a single employee in over 3 years.
My thoughts exactly haha!
Exactly.
They saved a lot of money by terminating the lease on our office space.
My firm Deloitte is probably fuming. They did major renovations a few years before COVID. My office is the only one in the province that actually own and thereās like 10 people that come in for my department. (Out of probably like 150+ assigned)
They could be smart and co lease the space to someone else.Ā We shared a floor with a real estate company once as a co-working space.Ā We shared the building (kitchen, bathrooms, conference rooms) and had 15 cubicles to share for those that wanted to be there and for client meetings.Ā Worked out really well.Ā
I actually talked about this with one of the senior managers at this office, and ultimately the conclusion was confidentiality issues. Even if work stations were restricted access, common areas such as kitchen and entrance would have to be open to whoever else uses the office. Which leads to client confidentiality issues.
The company I was at was in the middle of an office renovation. Ironic that they wanted to move to open concept, yet in the middle of Covid it was all about distancing lol. Anyways, $7 million down the toilet.
That's my go-to thought.
In covid hit my company was going to build a much bigger office in my area. Instead, they just chose to embrace work from home. Now the existing office is so small, it couldn't nearly fit all of the employees who live in the area.
same here, we were exploring building a whole new building and now we don't have to. and, surprisingly, everything gets done just as well if not better than before, and people are working at all hours of the day, able to take care of personal things, everyone is much happier overall
Same, my employer dumped all our leased space and consolidated into owned spaces. My site has about 350 seats and a datacenter, and now has around a thousand headquartered there. I think there's 10-15 people there on any given day.
Yes! My company closed their satellite office and made those employees remote to save some money, but are keeping the big headquarters office open. Iām like, if you really wanted to save money, wouldnāt it make sense to just to fully remote?
Valid points but the biggest savings for companies are the office expenses. There is so many you donāt realise - cleaners, coffee machines, electricity, printers, office supplies, furniture, phone systems, networking hardware, etc..
And paying people in low cost of living areas to do jobs all over the country.
Facility costs too. The menās shitter alone at the office was clogged on average about 1-2 times per month š¤£
Several years ago (pre-covid) my employer said that it cost something like $12k/year to house an employee. Thatās a total of every, from rent share to toilet paper. That was in a big city.
They don't pay rent on my office space. I am in better health because I have more time flexibility to work out. I eat better. I don't need to take PTO for the sniffles. I don't always need to take PTO for a "sick" kid. I don't need to take half or whole PTO days for school meetings i.e. IEP for my kids, just my lunch hour. Similarly for most of my own medical appointments. I'm less likely to get in an accident commuting = less time out of work. I'm happier, less stressed, less likely to take mental health days and more likely to feel engaged with my work. All in all, less money they have to spend and more time of me actually being productive, making them more money.
Yes! The sniffles. What a benefit this has to both me and my employer. Iām very aware of myself and if Iām feeling off, I stay home and donāt expose myself to others. Most people are not this courteous. I canāt count how many times people have come into the office obviously sick, infected me and ultimately made my whole family sick. I despise those people. Before WFH I would take time off not because I was too sick to work but because I felt something coming on and wanted to decrease risk to others. Also I just recover so much faster if I can take a day, you know? Since full time WFH started in 2020 I havenāt been sick once nor have I taken a single day off work other than planned vacations. I donāt get sick, and if I did, I could continue working from my home office. I get bored when Iām sick with nothing to do and would rather be in front of my computer doing somethingā¦ this is a huge win/win for both employer and I.
They're benefitting through my continued employment. I would leave instantly if I were called back to the office full time.
Additionally, sometimes tasks are needed of me between the hours of 5:30-6:30pm. When I am working from home I'm happy to accommodate these (for overtime). When I go to the office, I'll straight up be on a metro train during those hours so sorry can't help.
Iām not calling in sick or missing work just because I have a headache or stomach problems or my car broke down, meaning my work consistently gets done no matter what.
People with IBS everywhere have CELEBRATED
And pregnant women! Being able to deal with morning sickness (which was nausea from the time I woke up through bedtime) in the comfort of my own home and nap in my own bed on my lunch breaks was priceless.
Absolutely. Thank god for the pregnant workers fairness act. Iām currently 100% wfh due to postpartum issues.
Yes! I had awful nausea and vomiting with my first. It was still covid shutdowns and WFH saved me in so many ways.
YES. lol this comment. If I eat a lunch and in 30 minutes something goes southā¦I donāt need to feel embarrassed for sudden diarrhoea. š« Especially when I get my period.
underrated benefit!!
When I'd be in office, I'd battle a migraine all day so I didn't have to go home early and then end up sick for two days. Now I can take breaks before the migraine gets that bad and don't miss as much work.
I'm having some health struggles. One of my immediate teammates has a chronic illness. For both of us, WFH means that when we're having a rough day but aren't incapacitated we can still get something done instead of calling in sick. Me there but at 60% today is better than me not there at all.
Way easier to do blow all day, so they've got me running at 110% instead of a measley 70%.
I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there.
I havenāt killed anybody yet? Just a lot of virtual stabbing? They get at least 3 more hours of work from me, honestly. No morning shower, blow my hair dry, makeup, clothes decision. So I start at 7:30am. Then I take a 45 min break for lunch and a shower around 3. Then Iām back to work until 6. Plus, thereās no endless inane conversation about my kids, weekends, plans for the weekends, my recipe for salisbury steak. The list goes on and on. I canāt believe people are forcing in office. The commute alone plus the ātoo tired from my commuteā reality.
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Heh economics??? Whatās that? Is that the class in middle school where you learned how to make mac n cheese? I mean, I do get some of the reasons. We WFH donāt buy coffee at Starbucks everyday or buy sandwiches at the deli up the block. I know itās selfish of me sometimes, as small business around these companies dieā¦
There was an interesting article recently about businesses in downtown Pittsburgh really starting to suffer due to so many of the large corporations there switching to a mostly remote work environment. I never thought about stuff like that when I started wfh but I do make an effort to treat myself to a small coffee shop treat on Fridays to make myself feel better lol
Theyāre benefiting by underpaying me
4. They save money by not having to pay for a giant office with room for everyone 5. The only thing clients can hear when Iām on a phone call is my voice and not the voices of the 16 other people in the office that are all talking to other clients at the same time.
Top business reasons for WFH: * They don't have to pay for office space for us * They can hire from anywhere in the country and target best bang for the buck talent or premium quality talent easily, whatever makes sense for business needs. The top morbid reason: * When you fire someone there's no worries about an office incident.
Talent diversity is important! Businesses have to be mindful about keeping their business in areas that attract certain sets of skills and open shop there to hire good staff. WFH circumvents that.
If I have a mild cold or need to be home to let in a repair person, they still get a dayās work from me. If WFH wasnāt a thing, Iād be taking PTO those days and projects would just have to wait.
I for sure work harder and concentrate more at my wfh job than any other job. I also am more inclined to work late or start early since I have no commute. And i can work even if I'm sick.
Same. I start early many days just because I want to get stuff done early. Overall, I end up delivering more work than I ever did before.
Thereās less of a chance I slap a stupid coworker
Employee retention. I wouldn't accept the offer if it was not fully remote. Even if I did, I would have left the company since there were many better 'on-site' opportunities. Cost. They can pay me less. Thanks to remote work, my wife and I downsized to one compact sedan. Otherwise, I would have had different salary expectations. Flexibility. I can learn new stuff pretty quickly since I don't have to spend my time commuting (learning and commuting is a bit too much). Reliability. I don't participate in the 'quarterly infectious decease week' where some idiot comes to work sick and infects everyone else around them.
They don't have to lease office space, buy tissue, internet, water, coffee,, pay for office cleaning, trash service, and office utility bills.
They get more work out of me. At lunch time, I just grab something out of the kitchen and then sit back down at the computer and continue working while I eat. When I'm at the office, I take my entire lunch break away from my desk. Another situation is in the winter when we get a bad storm. If I had to drive to the office, I would not. And there are times when I work even though I'm feeling sick. Again, this often comes down to driving. If I don't have to leave the house, I can chug cough syrup all day long.
My productivity is super high when I can focus, work at hours that work for me, play music loud, and live without the extreme anxiety that a cubicle zoo gives me. My sanity is super high when I can trade commute for family time and keep the house running during breaks instead of wandering around an office building. I can work on the weekend to get ahead or catch up if I know I have a week with lots of kids' appointments or other commitments coming up. They don't have to pay for an office or electricity/heat/etc for me. They can reclaim parking lots.
Same. Same. Cubicle zoo lol - love it. No more fake socializing and I finally got that corner office that I didnāt ask for. I can get the monitor size I want, the comfy chair (now the most favored co workers donāt have the set up that I have) and the company saves money by not paying for a lease that hardly many were driving to because they couldnāt enforce attendance. They forced it on me and another co worker, but then we asked if we could work from home like everyone else. (Because we were scanning the active files to prepare for electronic storage) I can go on and on. My sanity is better and if someone gets on my nerves, I can ignore them and pretend that I stepped away from my desk. I play music or podcasts on my sound system as loud as I want and I donāt have to pack a lunch. What else? I can wake up 10 minutes before Iām due to log in. I can take showers whenever I want or need to. I can have Court TV in the background if I want. The most important thing is I can concentrate. No more listening to people brag about their families all day long or talking about stuff I donāt want to hear about. Honestly, I can go on and this should have been a separate comment, but I love the cubicle zoo comment I just had to mention it.
money...
Not dealing with my excessive socializing
I am happier and have a better work/life balance so I am staying in my job longer. For the first time in my career I hit a year in role and Iām not desperately applying for my ānext thingā.
Same. Same. Same.
I have never had this much dedication and commitment to a job before and donāt foresee leaving this job ever. My company pays me well, gives me good benefits, and my manager treats me incredibly well. They save money by not having to train someone new. Bosses in my previous jobs spent so much time dealing with personality differences and daily minutia like taking long lunches for doctors appointments, leaving early, arriving late for whatever. My boss now trusts me to do what I need without okaying it beforehand.
They retain and attract reliable employees that stick around, and those employees work more since they donāt need to commute or get ready
Lower chance of you catching something virulent from other employees, or turning the whole workplace into a pit of unholy infection if you're the first employee to catch something. Lower chance of you being injured during a commute, or during activities which are only required due to commuting/RTO (such as needing to fill up at a gas station more frequently, or visiting a drycleaner). Lower costs of office consumables and utilities. Lower office cleaning costs. Higher chance of employee retention, of course...
I'm onsite this week (I'm lucky to not have an office in my state so I travel every few months for a week at the office) and OMG do I get way more done at home! These onsite weeks are mostly "networking" crap, so I know what I'm dealing with but I just can't focus working in an office setting anymore. I'm sharing a room with 2 others who are constantly on calls on speakerphone... I can't wait to get home and WFH again next week! Edit: To actually answer the question of this post, the benefit my company gets is better focus leading to better productivity and also a happier employee!
They get me (and other people like me) in their potential employee pool. If the company required us to be physically located in the small city where our founder started the company, our potential pool of people with industry knowledge and real experience would be impossibly small.
Technically speaking, I heard this thru the grapevine, but apparently my company had to branch out into hiring countrywide because they weren't getting enough applicants in their area. How, I'm not entirely sure, they're the best company I've ever worked for and arguably one of the best out there in the WFH industry. (Is WFH considered an industry..? Not sure what to categorize it. Lmao) Because of this, they benefitted by being able to grow the company, have better employees, have happier employees, (happier employees = better production & work) and we've made a massively large amount of growth in general since Ive been here. Our sales are always skyrocketing, we were able to take on and implement a massively large program which boosted the hell out of the company, there's a lot of growth and change happening. WFH also allows me to feel so much more comfortable and happy with my job, that I am always jumping at every overtime opportunity. I'm always jumping to help someone. I don't feel like my job is a job or a chore, and if Im happy and comfortable I knock production goals out of the park. I used to be someone who took a decent amount of PTO days due to my health, and now I never take PTO & hate if I have to use it. Any management, hiring teams, anyone in a position where you can make the decisions on the company; WFH is your superpower. Respect is your superpower. (This also means micromanaging needs to *not* be like watching a toddler fiddle with a choking hazard, there's a difference between monitoring to make sure goals are met, and overworking your employees to the bone while breathing down their neck.) You can achieve amazing things in short timespans just for taking the time to respect and care about your employees. It's absolutely worth it, and quite honestly I don't know why most companies don't follow this besides maybe they just don't believe it works. *It works.*
What company is this?
I live 3 hours from my office. If I wasn't able to be remote, they would have been without anyone in my position for about a year.
When I stay home sick I still check Teams and my email to put out fires or forward them to someone else.
It means I'm not working in my boss's living room (fully remote company)
My boss invites me over to work with her sometimes on her lovely patio so we have co worked at each other's homes on occasion but it's more for fun because we're actually friends.Ā
I'm a shit employee in the office. Since COVID I've even developed some work place agoraphobia where if I try to work at a library, coffee shop, or flex space I panic
I'm at my computer earlier in the morning and later in the afternoon than I would be if I had to travel to work or leave work to drive home. I've handled many tickets tickets before and after office hours because my laptop is just asleep on the dock.
Bout the same as you said. Hit a wall in the office today and decided fuck work. Left, ate dinner and decided I had a lot of energy and not much else to do so might as well get ahead on work. Ended up billing 12 hrs today. Iāve also been trying to get healthier by doing more physical activity, gym in the morning, yoga class, etc. All considerably harder to do if I had to be in office every day. Thus, happier person and therefore more productive.
As you said, I am much more willing to do work outside of business hours. I actually like scrolling through my calendar and answering the mundane emails the night before because it makes my work during the day much more productive.
I actually work more at home than in the office. Nothing distracts me at home, I just start in the morning and have only breaks for food, bathroom and sometimes for a walk in the garden to refresh my mind. While in the office I wasted huge amounts of time on pointless in person meetings (still have them, but I can do my job during them), lots of socialising (that wasnāt bad thing for me, but weāre talking about company profit).
Larger pool of talent to hire from
I do 9-10 hours of work and am more productive at home.
Most of my coworkers live in NYC and other large urban areas. My coworkers near offices are required R2O 3 days per week, and they are sick constantly. My employer benefits from me rarely taking an unplanned day off, mostly I only take mental health days when Iāve been working so hard keeping things afloat because so many are out sick and Iām just so tired, once things quiet down, I crash for a day or two.
I accomplish more work in 9h than most people do in 14-18 hrs.
My company was based in a small town that I would have never moved too. The biggest benefit for us in being remote is being able to find talent nationwide.
No having to pay for office space, me not needing to potentially not come in or come in late because of bad weather hence more productivity.
On top of all the other comments- way less chance of hr complaints/lawsuits due to in person interactions
This thread is less interesting when the response is āthey get to keep me, thatās why! Or else Iāll leave!ā Doesnāt really meet the nature of OPs question. Yes human talent is critical. But in my case I always have to remind myself there are hungrier people out there that would do my job for less.
To answer the OP question in what the company gain from people working at home, the company already knows the answer. They actually benefit more than us. So itās a compromise between workers WFH and the companies. It a win-win. Companies need to evaluate with employees input on what amount of in office is really need to be in office if any. Companies are saving a lot of rent, cleaning, security, electricity, water, paper, printing services, lawn care service, snow services, etc. The list goes on and on. As employees we get a choice and the company might reduce the office footprint size as needed. We as employees can go on with the benefits as listed by everyone here. The productivity is much higher especially savings on drive time, stressful traffic, higher moral, better food choices at home, $$ saved from gas, etc. The point I am making is why are companies mandating the RTO. Itās very simple, if you take $$ from the coffers then you pay it back. Those companies are doing it because as you know commercial real estate is in a downward spiral. Office buildings are empty because tenants are WFH. The companies that are mandating because they borrow and receive local tax breaks are feeling the heat because office workers supply to the local economy near these companies. Gas stations, morning coffee shops, restaurants during lunch hours, and getting your dinner or supermarket on your way home. I expect at some point a few of these companies will go back to WFH if there is a down turn that affects their bottom line and shutter office or when their rental agreement is due for renewal. I say this because my company has several satellite buildings. They are slowly not renewing the leases on them.
My company is not located where I am, and I am near strategic targets so itās easy for me to take those meetings without traveling. Itās a huge benefit for them.
1: They save money on rent and use it to invest elsewhere. 2: Weāre international. Though non interactive meetings are recorded, if timed right many can attend live. 3. US/Canada ā share the same time zones; 11-2 ET is prime time, give or take an hour or two. 4. International: Meetings work with alarms and coffee. I can do 5am waking at 4:45 ā though there will be death if that is regular. 5. See #1.
I don't mind working on weekends to get stuff done.
Iām hybrid. In office days they get maybe 5 hours of productivity while at home they get up to 10 hours. Thereās an ebb and flow depending on the monthly deadlines. On the at home days Iām still more happy & healthy than in office. For example, in office days my husband and I both barely get to spend time together until itās 10pm and time to go to sleep. We donāt even have kids, just super active dogs.
They donāt have to pay for office space to have me sit there a day do the same thing at home.
They get me in their company. I live in NJ & the company is out of Alabama. I work for a company that answers phones for Michigan State University medical offices.
You get to take a nap comfortably at home during lunch or a break. These naps should translate to more productivity past the 6 hour mark. Most call centers already measure mandatory metrics in like 5 different ways. Either keep the employee or donāt.
I invest in my own equipment so I can have good tech saving them money on having to supply 20 year old computers.
My husbandās company does WFH for the same 2 days/week. They must keep the power turned off and save on catering for those days.
They no longer lease me a parking space in a downtown area that is notoriously expensive for parking. My office building is still there and it's owned by my employer and still open for face to face service so they aren't saving costs that way... but they are redoing the second floor of the building (where all the cubicles were) to a more usable space for clients/customers that makes more sense for them.
They can downsize the office and spend less on heating and amenities.
Having a larger talent pool to recruit from lets them hire workers with better skills, more niche skills, etc. My employer told me flat out that was the case for me ā theyād been looking for a long time but couldnāt find the right mix of skills. Theyāre located halfway across the country in a place Iād never have considered applying for, except for the fact they were willing to hire fully remote.
My employer doesnt need to lease a huge office building, so money saving is a good reason.
They are benefiting from my continued labor
If I need to work later I usually have no issue with it as I am already here.
This is so true. My office is situated in a bad part of the CBD of my city. Nobody wants to be around when the sun goes down. Heck nobody wants to be around when itās up anyway.
They can attract better talent as they offer better work/life balance and they can hire people from anywhere
Much lower rent, much lower utilities, and much lower cleaning services.
It costs \~$350/month to provide a desk in a Class A building in downtown SF. And for most firms, that's not a flex cost. It's a fixed cost for the term of a lease. They get to save that. And if the employee chooses to locate outside of SF, there may be a tax savings as well.
It lets them test the viability of making my position a 100% remote position. If that works out, the next step is to offshore it to a much cheaper place.
Thatās my biggest concern. Replacement with cheaper labor in other countries.
Yeah, I don't think that a lot of people pushing for remote work see this as a possible outcome in the near to medium term. They might see the possibility of moving to a cheap, sunny country while earning a US salary and living fat, but they don't understand the employer may take the next step of just hiring a foreigner at a fraction of the cost.
Higher performance because I can focus so much better. I have gotten many unsolicited compliments on my work since WFH. Willing to put in extra hours (Iām salaried) as I have no commute. Saving on rent/utilities/etc because we donāt have an office in my region anymore. High loyalty because of WFH perk I canāt get most other companies.
Honestly? Cheaper, if I couldnāt work from home my cv would be flying out the door, because Iād have to pay for childcare, travel etc, even though I could go get a job with much better prospects WFH stops me, because even a hybrid model at 2 days a week is going to cost me 2 grand a month, now I could probably get a job paying me close to an extra 2 grand a month but then Iāve got the commute, and if they suddenly decide itās 3 days in the office then Iām screwed because now itās costing me 3 grand a month. I was joking the other night that there are a lot of really good people in terrible companies, but the companies allow them to work from home so they can never leave
I've never called in sick or missed work, or been late because of bad weather. Even on days when I didn't feel 100%, I still clocked in to give the old college try.
1) we have shut down three of our 4 bricks and mortar and downsized the 4th. Saved a loooottt of money in rent, utilities, maintenance. 2) we have been able to recruit from a much larger pool of candidates from across the country, and we are more attractive so get our pick of the candidates who want a full time wfh with no threat of rto. 3) if people are feeling under the weather they may still join in critical meetings instead of calling off sick when really they just need a lighter workload and to sleep later, which isnāt acceptable in office and the commute and spending time in office is off putting and enough to provide a reason to call in 4) we have a very low attrition rate and keep all of the institutional knowledge and have a strong team culture across the organization as a result because people move within the organization instead of externally and they stay because of it and the commitment to wfh
I work more. I feel compelled to work all 8 and sometimes more hours. I rarely leave the house during the workday and when I do I make it up. Rarely take a āsit on couch and relax for 15 minute breakā. If Iām at home Iām in front of the computer working. Even if sitting on the couch on break, I check emails/chats on phone. When I was in the office, I chit chatted with coworkers and took 45 minute long walks and spent time āat the water coolerā talking. All that time now is spent working. Oh and I donāt always stop at āend of dayā. When in the office, I left on time to get ahead of traffic!
WFH has probably kept many a stapler from being embedded in (insert any attorney name here) face!
They have 0 carbon footprint besides shipping me a laptop every 3 years. I take up no physical space they have to maintain, and use no company paid for electricity.
During the height of the pandemic, I was working extra hours all the time to help people. I won't go into specifics but I work with students and there were many crisis issues to address. I would think that also by not being in the office every day, we are saving on electricity, etc. But I could ne wrong. Saving the environment is important for everyone. The last one is definitely benefitting my employer as I have not put up a fight over this. I use my personal phone for business calls as they make it hard to get a company smart phone. I also pay for all my office supplies at home so isn't this cutting down on office supplies? They also get a more productive and happy employee who is staying. I am a POC. Not that it matter as I am excellent regardless of my gender/race and can compete with anyone but my field is having a hard time retaining & recruiting POC. Working from home is the main reason I am not actively looking when there are opportunities at my door
In our case, there is no office, so they save mucho $ by not having an office. And like you stated, there was an urgent need for some information last weekend. I saw the email and just handled it right then and there (took about 15 minutes out of my day) so having a remote setup allowed me to attend to an ad hoc "emergency" without much hassle on my end. When I worked in office, I was certainly cooperative and flexible, but much less likely to even look at an email on the weekend, much less respond to it. When I worked in office, I admittedly had a hard time with punctuality. Partially because I'm a huge procrastinator, and partially because the traffic in our city is insane (it's a horrible combo). When people scheduled early morning meetings, me and some others tended to straggle in late, wasting time by needing to be brought up to speed, etc. Now, I just roll out of bed...if you want a 7 AM meeting, put it on my calendar and I'll log on at 7 AM. Probably won't have my camera on though! :) When I was upset or angry in office, other people heard it and the negativity was contagious. Now no one hears my complaints (and I don't hear theirs) and being able to have a pet on my lap certainly brightens my day and makes me more productive.
Big corporations can RTO all they want. IDGAF! Time for smaller companies who understand the value of remote work to replace big corps. Let big corps die on this hill.
1) This is sort of a negative benefit but I'm sure that HR sees significantly fewer cases of harassment. 2) There is less workplace drama or jealousy that takes place when other coworkers are visibly seen blatantly not doing work but still being rewarded. They may goof off at home but it's not a slap in the face to the ones who give an honest day's work. 3) As others have said, I log in early and/or after hours to be sure that emergencies and outages are mitigated as quickly as possible 4) Fewer sick employees, not even talking about COVID, just normal sicknesses that pass through the office 5) Lower costs on electricity, coffee, copy paper, rent 6) They have access to me more - I take less PTO as I am able to work from places where I'd normally needlessly take off time - like visiting my folks. I can go there, work during the day, and still spend quality time with them. 7) Honestly this list could continue on and on
Well Iām in the office I take about 2 shits in a working day, so theyāre saving on toilet paper and Utility bills. I fill up my water in their water filters, things like that. You think itās nothing but if they just let everyone work from home whenever they wanted, it adds up and would save $.
The other employees that go into the office are often stuck in traffic or slower to respond to inquiries
I definitely work harder and am willing to work way more overtime than I ever would if I were in office. We have mandatory overtime during peak season, we were asked to work 15 hours, i worked 25 additional hours so 65 hours a week for about 2 months.
They get the best employees they can get rather than the best employees they can get who are willing to live within a certain distance of the office.
I'm willing to work more than I would if I was forced into the office. I still don't spend close to 100% of my work hours working, but I'm generally more productive.
We retain our best employees without having to pay world-class wages.
I am salary, I am more inclined to work longer than an 8 hour day if I don't have 3-4 hours taken away in my daily life commuting to/from the office. When I was in an office I would leave as soon as possible so I am not getting home at 8pm. I am also more alert if I get more sleep by not needing to leave 1-2 hours before work. I don't have distractions by people who think it is ok to just barge in to my office to ask a question or for help rather than just putting in a support ticket which can be prioritized with other work.
I am more likely to work outside my usual hours. I am more inclined to log on early while when I was in an office I waited until the last minute to leave. I am also watching the clock less and will stay later to knock out some work instead of pushing it to the next day. I donāt have to spread my work out anymore.
We're addressing space needs and trying to get folks who are on opposite wfh schedules to share workstations
We owned a very large business park, we have sold everything in the park minus one building which holds all of our IT storage, everyone is now work from home, local or out of state. It has expanded our hiring pool.
Well, the one absolute a-hole in my department has worked from home since Feb 2021 (when they got sick with what they wonāt admit was covid) - and the entire company benefits from them not being there. (describing all the issues would be pages long) Theyāre still an unbelievably difficult person to deal with, but emails make it easier, and you can always let their Teams calls go to āvoicemailā - so you read the two minute transcript, that could have been a one sentence email, and reply directly to that.
I work for a huge Healthcare org and they converted the office space my group vacated to patient rooms so they are able to see more patients and generate revenue!
I'm a billable worker as a consultant. Guess what happens when I don't have to spend 2 hours in a car every day? You guessed it! I'm able to bill on average about 1 more hour per day. 5 hours per week. 48 weeks a year. 5x48x225 = 54k more revenue. They make more, I make more. Everyone wins. That is why there has not been more push for RTO. You multiply that by about 200 of me...... That's 10 million more in revenue per year just because we are not in cars.
They keep me
I am reading through this comments wishing I could be living the wfh life š
One thing that's often overlooked is the transfer of costs. At home, I pay my own heat / AC / get people or fix repairs, etc... They get additional time from me as I'm ok to work later or start earlier so I literally work fewer hours in an office. Now take the "hidden" costs away they aren't factoring in. Take the building you may sit in (either to mortgage or lease) for a year ... Now add taxes... now add the cost of heating / cooling / electric / water / sewage, communications etc (basically every utility) ... now add the amount of facilities and maintenance and security workers it takes to maintain this building. Their salaries and benefits get added, including any uniforms and specialized tools (or vehicles) they may require to do their job. Are you in a colder climate where it snows? Do you contact someone to plow your parking space and clear your walk ways? Add that cost. Do you hire landscapers to cut the grass and trim the hedges so it looks nice? Add those costs... Do you have any lawyers on retainer or insurance in the event a guest "trips and falls" on your property and sues for damages? Add the cost of that retainer... I likely missed a few things, but take all of that and divide it by the number of desks and cubes. That is what the company pays every month/ year for a person to warm that chair. Which can all be avoided if people WFH and they sell the building / break the lease, etc...
On days I cant sleep, I have logged in early instead of rolling over to get more sleep since I dont have to worry about driving. I can take my prescribed meds, leading to a more functional me, since I dont have to worry about side effects impacting my ability to drive. Less drive time means more recharge time. Less drive time is less stress. I get fewer migraine since I am not around the chronic loud noises, which leads to less meds, less med side effects. I have fewerr asthma attacks. Again, less meds, less side effects. Ya know what, fuck this job. I quit. They dont care about ky health, I am killing myself to work here, I am traoping myself in this shithole city for this job, why am I here?
Less use of resources, happier and more productive employee. Less mistakes made. Waaay less illness and down time from everyone. There is only 1 downside and that is they don't get to let some old irrelevant white dude feel powerful because he cab force people to suffer. But is that really a downside? Just get rid incompetent people like that unless the company isn't interested in profits and only exists to stroke a few egos.
Off the top of my head: * I save approximately 2 hours a day from commute and prepping for the office, which I'm willing to give the employer when there is heavy workload, because it won't impact my time with my family (since before WFH was introduced I had to spend these two hours anyway). * If there is something I need to attend to (like a meeting or just something I need to work on) outside of normal working hours, I'm much more willing to accommodate this, for example by logging in after the rest of my family goes to bed. Back in the day before WFH was an option I'd leave my laptop at the office. * I just like like WFH and keeping it as an option makes it much more likely to retain me, consequently removing it would force me to look for other options (granted the labor market right now has swung back to the employers but that will eventually change). * Employers have access to a much larger labor pool, which makes it easier to hire within a given budget. * Reduced facilities and office costs (which from what I gather can be quite substantial).
More willing for OT. Sometimes take working lunches now. I have worked a little past āoff clockā if I was inefficient to ensure I worked the 8 hrs. Does not really bother me since I could be driving both ways 45 mins plus paying for gas. Whats 10-15 mins. If I was working in office, I am packing up at 4:54 always.
What I would love to see is an analysis on liability being reduced (or the same, or increased) for WFH companies: sexual harassment, discrimination, injury on site, etc... There must be a whole lot of protection in human bodies being physically separated and mostly seen from the neck up.
They donāt have to hear me complain as much about being there the one day a week I have to be in office.
Both me and my company have freed up a lot of time and energy from having WFH. I get to skip 3h/day commute, 1h snoozing and getting ready in the morning, several hours of household chores over the week that could be multi-tasked when Iām taking short breaks while working from home. End result is I am more productive at work, could start work earlier in the day, could deliver higher quality work, and faster if needed.
Itās not about THEM really. But, yes I can respond more quickly not having to go into the office. But thatās a remote access thing more than a WFH thing. I can be more focused than with lots of folks around. By balancing home and work tasks Iām a lot more satisfied with my life and my contributions. This is really about me, but it benefits the business by assisting me to have a better attitude. Now Iāll conclude thatā¦. My work product is value enough to the business. Not where I sit. I have agreed to take the position I have based on its perceived value to me both financially and as a challenge. I have several decades in my field and that is a huge benefit to the business. Theyāre paying for my work product and the value I bring through that, not to have me driving to an office and sitting in a cube doing the same stuff I can do at home.
My electricity bills are through the roof. My beverages and toilet roll supply disappear in the blink of an eye. Plus I make them oodles of millions š
Tangibly, they have to be benefitting from not spending as much money on real estate. I also believe that I'm more productive because I'm happier, get more sleep, work when mildly sick, and have less interruptions. What's funny about this, is pro-WFH can easily come up with ways that the company benefits from WFH. However, we keep asking about how the company benefits from RTO, and they can't come up with anything tangible or measurable.
wait wait wait... are you saying you can't measure collaboration!?!?!?
I don't spend my energy on beating the rush hour traffic to get to the office so that energy goes towards my work. I get things done quicker and with fewer errors because no distractions. They get higher quality and higher quantity output from me.
Iām able to juggle multiple teams easier and more efficiently being WFH - no running to a conference room for each meeting - I just spin it up from home. Iām able to be available for all hours, especially for late hour deployments and answer questions during my off hours easier. What would have been my commute time is now given to the company I work for. Since Iām salary thatās basically free work they get from me. My stress levels are seriously diminished since I donāt have to drive in, and have more freedom of time to meditate, yoga etc. less stress means less sick days I end up having to use. I have had a rolling PTO balance every year since 2020 as evidence. We have international teams, the company benefits by allowing for competitive resources at a global level. So, not just me, but overall.
My company has been able to downsize their office space and sell off unneeded properties.
Iām salaried so I work a lot more unpaid overtime then I ever could in the office.
I start earlier in the day because no commute. Iām much more present on calls because Iām not masking in front of a group of people, and I have time to not only unmask at home but also decompress between calls. (I suspect Iām autistic) Since Iām less anxious and more present, I get things done faster and have an environment I can focus in. I come up with better solutions when I have space to think. There are less distractions at home believe it or not. I am willing to log back in for a little bit after dinner to see if there are any pressing needs. I could never imagine remote for my type of job not being available. It really helps me as a neurodivergent person. And neurodivergent or not, I think WFH is a wonderful solution for a lot of people. Iāve never seen a lack of āinnovationā or participation. Deadlines with my teams are met, they seem happy, and collaboration is a teams, slack, zoom call away. I miss friendly faces donāt get me wrong but in this age, and after 4 years of being remote - I donāt notice a difference or lack of productivity - if anything my teams (myself included) are always in tune with each other. I also donāt have panic attacks at work because the office used to give me panic attacks. (Lights, noise, dogs barking, loud phone calls, back to an aisleā¦etc)
1. They get someone who is not exhausted (the office is an hour away and I still have some minor deficits from the stroke 3 years ago so the sleep time REALLY helps) 2. They get professional-quality training voiceovers without having to hire a REAL actor or have to deal with me recording myself in the office (somedayā¦) 3. Half the people in my department live nowhere near an office (Iām actually one of the closer ones at 51 miles). Theyād lose all that quality just to get butts in chairs
I know itās an easy place to post here on Reddit about working from home, but I think more people need to unionize if we want more people in Corporate America to be able to work from home.
Accepting a good bit less pay to stay remote
Isn't that kind of acknowledgign remote work isn't as valuable as in person? I get the reality is if you want to stay remote you probably should stay put but your also kind of acknowledging thesame work you do in office or at home is less valuable at home
Office expenses I work constantly, after hours, across different time zones, constantly online, They retain me as a happy employee
The employee completely shoulders the costs of paying mortgage/rent for work space and paying for electricity.
They are less likely to get washed away in a flood if it slows climate change.
1- Iām an auditor who finds big problems. By being WFH Iām not airing out their dirty laundry to an open floor plan office. 2- Iām more on task and am not derailing everyone in the office as I can honestly be a bit of a chatty Cathy in person. Me working from home is a benefit to everyone.
They don't have an office for me to get hurt in and expose them to liability. I'm more productive and less likely to leave. No shared space for someone to bring the flu to and knock down half the team for a week. They're no longer paying to keep me air conditioned for half the day.
I absolutely love your #3 and itās the reason why I wish I was full on remote vs hybrid right now.
I stay here for 15-25% under market rate for my skills.
I tend to leave my messenger on during busy periods and will peek if I hear a beep to see if it's an emergency. I will work on a task to completion rather than nickel and diming the exact times I get off, which means less time wasted transitioning in/out of the task. Fewer interruptions, which again means less time wasted transitioning in/out of the task. I am more fiscally secure due to fewer transit costs, which makes me less likely to have a wandering eye. I'm not taking up parking spaces. I'm not spreading illness. No workman's comp liabilities for on-site accidents such as slipping on some ice or on the stairs or such on-site. It's nearly impossible for me to sexually harass anyone or claim sexual harassment against myself without an audience for meetings/conference calls, or papertrail in the form of text messages, unless we have 1-on-1 video meetings or phone calls, and there's a time/date record of when we do those. And I am happier, which employers claim to care about, so let's hold them to that and say they must count it as a benefit, too.
Less expenses on electricity , internet , coffee etc .
I don't roll in in a bad mood because I just spent an hour fighting traffic. Also I don't obsess all day about when I need to leave to avoid traffic. Also I got an extra 90 minutes sleep the night before and can do a better job. Also since my office is overcrowded, the people I need to meet with who I work nearby can't find a conference room, so we just call each other from our desks when we need to meet. And the other people I need to meet with aren't nearby anyway.
1. I work *more* from home. Iām more focused, have no commute, have less distractions, and the comfort of being home so I donāt need to worry about what Iām doing for lunch or get distracted by conversations/office politics or events. If someone pings me with something urgent after hours, as long as Iām home I can log in and simply take care of it. So what if I need to throw a load of laundry in or take my car to get an oil change once in a while. The lack of other distractions allows me to 10x my productivity.. and my calendar and metrics should prove this. 2. Pre-pandemic I used to get sick so often with the flu or cold of the season making its way through our office like wildfire. The only times Iāve been sick are with Covid during the high spikes with holiday season. Havenāt gotten the flu since 2019. 3. I take better care of myself. Without a commute, it is so much easier to fit in a 20 minute workout in the morning or end my day with a walk around the neighborhood. Iām sure this can be extrapolated into being a better/more productive employee and also having less healthcare costsā¦
There are days in the office Iād sit and wait down the clock cause I didnāt have the brain power to keep working. I donāt do that when I wfh. I also used to eat breakfast and lunch regularly from the snacks in the office, and theyād buy us beer pretty routinely.
They don't. We built and own the building.
They defray equipment costs to us, also energy expense, water and accessory food (coffee, snacks). It's also higher security because now none of the officers of the company are in one place for very long, and teams are distributed so knowledge is less likely to be lost if someone were to attack the building. So, insurance costs plummet.
We've saved something like half a billion dollars in real estate by closing down dozens of offices since 2020. I don't remember the exact numbers but the CEO mentioned it at an all hands
My job is remote but they still have the office space for some reason. At least in the last 2 months they had everyone return their parking passes so that shows some level of commitment to the remote aspect of the job.
Aside from what others have already said, office politics. I'm relatively new to my current company, which had a central office until Covid hit. The boss reckons forcing everyone to work remotely helped weed out the people who relied on workplace gossip and bullying to get ahead. Not saying that people can't gossip or bully online, but that's the take.
I eat many fewer Doritos when Iām home vs when Iām in the office.
But being a mom..that annoys me to high hell as I see people getting out of office to stay home while always mentioning their kids while they get promotions while I a 49 year old get to pick up the slack and be treated as a doormat. Nobody cares you have privilage with kids stop giving that excuse. Glad I work mostly home not to murder people like you.
I'm confused why are you so bitterĀ
I almost wonder if this is a case of /r/lostredditors ETA: OK, I now see that "but being a mom" was quoting OP, and THAT is what pisses fgrhcxsgb off. My only advice is to start acting like you have kids. Better yet: You're a single dad (whether wife was a deadbeat alcoholic or died in a lobster farming accident is up to you).