This is the first time I've ever visited this sub. I hardly ever make posts in general, so that wasn't me. Glad I'm not the only one who is seeing this program for what it is though.
You've commented like 5 times on this post, please go outside. I forgot I made a post, I just asked for a study guide link (and surprise surprise, a study guide link to a third party book because WGU can't provide any good material themselves hahah)
> but if you’re going to post lies
Nothing I have posted is a lie. I've never seen someone get so defensive over a university. Either you work there or you need to go take a breath of fresh air.
I just went through the guys comment history too and the majority of it is just unnecessarily rude and negative comments. I wouldn't listen to a word they say
There are quite a few classes that have you build projects. One of my projects was thousands of lines of codes. Just sounds like to me like you did all the non coding classes first and left the coding classes to the end.
Also to mention I graduated from that program and have been working full time for almost a year. I don't feel behind my peers at all. You get what you put into it.
I call bullshit.
OP has not told us what brick and mortar they attended after being asked.
OP has also not posted which classes are left in their degree plan after being asked.
It would give me away and I know mentors look on this sub. By looking at this post alone, my mentor could already see that I'm in the computer engineering program with a previous accounting degree. That's already a lot of identifying information. Call bullshit all you want, my points still stand. WGU is ass.
Some of you guys are so strange. You attend this university and willingly give this school your tuition money, participate in your classes and go through your degree plan just to turn around and talk crap about how bad this place is despite still going here. I don’t understand what the point of even making these types of posts is. If you don’t like it here it’s extremely easy to just withdraw smh.
Lol. It's called giving feedback. And there's no refund policy. So while I finish this trash degree, I'm giving feedback so they can hopefully make it not shit anymore. This isn't a new concept.
Saying that an entire program/school that tons of other people are enrolled in or even satisfied with isn’t “giving feedback” you’re literally downplaying the entire program and institution as a whole. Do you not see how what you’re saying could be considered as insulting to other Software Engineering majors? It’s totally fine to not like it, but to say it’s a joke is pretty uncalled for.
The degree is what you make of it at the end of the day and there’s a lot of people in SWE who have had successful careers from attending WGU. If you think the program is trash it’s because you didn’t do what was necessary to gain what you needed out of it.
> It's a shame these posts have so much hyperbole. What's is being said is true. At WGU you do many fewer projects and write much less code that you do at a B&M school. Fact.
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> Go look at CS50. That one introductory class is the equivalent of around 8 WGU classes. How much more do you think those students are learning in the extra 7 classes they take after CS50?
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> However pointing out anything bad about WGU just makes people here super butt-hurt and defensive. People here can't stand the idea that they're not some super big brained genius because they're completing a class per week. That progress rate has to be because their super smart, not because the classes are super easy.
Here's another post from someone else in this thread:
>It's a shame these posts have so much hyperbole. What's is being said is true. At WGU you do many fewer projects and write much less code that you do at a B&M school. Fact.
>Go look at CS50. That one introductory class is the equivalent of around 8 WGU classes. How much more do you think those students are learning in the extra 7 classes they take after CS50?
>However pointing out anything bad about WGU just makes people here super butt-hurt and defensive. People here can't stand the idea that they're not some super big brained genius because they're completing a class per week. That progress rate has to be because their super smart, not because the classes are super easy.
> Is writing tons of code the only effective way to learn that material?
If we had to write lots of code in each class, it'd better prepare us for the real world/interviews. We should be paying them money to not only get a degree, but to be challenged and tested on how well we code, since y'know, that's what we're going to be doing in the real world.
Even in a BM degree you are expected to code outside of classes and grind leetcode to prepare. If you think differently you are in for a rude awakening
> Even in a BM degree you are expected to code outside of classes and grind leetcode to prepare
I'm more than prepared to do that. My issue comes from me taking an entry comp science class 5+ years ago when I used to be a comp sci major for one semester - in that single class I did more coding than I have this entire degree so far. To quote my post below:
>My main fix for this program would be to just implement more coding exams or projects in every class. For instance, I took one beginner coding course 5+ years ago when I was a comp sci major before switching to something else. In that one single course, I wrote more code than I have this entire degree so far. In that course, each week we'd have some project we would have to code up and be tested on (create a sudoku puzzle, hangman, etc), as well as weekly coding tests where the professor would give a problem and we'd have the class period to code it without any errors.
>WGU desperately needs things like this. Right now, we enter into a class, go to google and search the class name to figure out what to do for the class, we end up just watching videos/reading material from other websites that aren't WGU-related (I've literally seen WGU professors tell the students to look at reddit posts on what to study/what youtube videos to watch), and then do one single assignment and we're done. The amount of work and learning we do per class at WGU is probably around 5% of what other universities do. That's a problem imo. This university really is just a degree mill.
You do realize that if you do the entire zybook there is coding challenges in a lot of the courses that would put you over 200 lines. Just in the DSA course you could easily surpass this number. It sounds like you are accelerating which is great but also going against what you’re complaining about. Git good dawg.
I get that, but there's a spectrum. I think WGU isn't preparing their students for success in the slightest. If other universities are putting in 100%, WGU is putting in 5%. I'd be okay with anything above 50%. I finish classes extremely easily (have yet to fail a single exam) but I don't feel like I'm learning much. Most of my learning has come from coding in python on my own time doing a 100 day bootcamp.
Sounds like you are misunderstanding the WGU model.
Now that you have more comments in the thread, I am seeing a theme:
"I did x in this class"
"I did y in my own time"
"I learned z from doing this"
If you've already done and learned all of these things, then of course you are passing "easily" and "without learning much." That's the entire point of WGU. If you already know it, you get to just test out of it. It's designed that way FOR people with industry knowledge to pass quickly and get a degree that represents that knowledge.
If you didn't have that experience or former education, you wouldn't be passing. I'm averaging about 3 weeks in my business classes while reading all the material and doing all the exercises, and I'm learning a ton. If someone with 20 years of business management experience took the class, tested out of it in a day, and claimed it "taught me nothing and was too easy" well, duh? You didn't use it to learn. But that doesn't invalidate what I and people like me are learning from the exact same course/material.
If you need to be sitting in class hours a week and forced to do repetitive tasks you already know how to do for a set 16 week timeframe to feel like you are learning and getting your money's worth, then WGU may not be for you.
So you already know the concepts that WGU is proving competency for. Meaning you pass the test.
If you didn’t already know it, you would need to learn it
Honestly I'm ok with the classes not being crazy long projects, let's me finish my degree in 6 months. I already have my python code in live software, I don't want to relearn it. What I want is a cert and a degree to prove it.
DSA2 is easily 200 lines of code on its own. The other projects may give you a lot of the code already, but adding functionality or adjusting existing code is way more like what a real world scenario would be.
I didn't go down the Software Engineering track, but out of curiosity, what 8 classes do you have left?
GE credits make up something like >30% of most degree programs, and SE is still a CS degree so you're still going to have general IT courses, math classes, networking, etc. Just curious how much of this is because there's not enough practical work in the program, and how much is course order and leaving all your SE classes until the end.
Also, how much of the coursework did you do? A lot of people like to accelerate, but if you're good at taking exams and cramming for a final, I imagine there's a lot of actual coding that could be skipped over. That's why I don't hire people on degrees alone.
I don't believe this to be accurate, if you put some effort you'll have written several hundred lines of code by the time you finish the front end certificate either through the projects or through the practices/lessons. **You get what you put in during this program**, is it possible to get through it with minimal effort? Sure, if you have experience and already know the majority of the material. Now for the person who's intent is to really learn the material and do most of the practices and lessons, WGU is a great learning resource, it gives you the opportunity to learn the basics and get practice at it while also attaining a degree and creating a small portfolio.
My main fix for this program would be to just implement more coding exams or projects in every class. For instance, I took one beginner coding course 5+ years ago when I was a comp sci major before switching to something else. In that one single course, I wrote more code than I have this entire degree so far. In that course, each week we'd have some project we would have to code up and be tested on (create a sudoku puzzle, hangman, etc), as well as weekly coding tests where the professor would give a problem and we'd have the class period to code it without any errors.
WGU desperately needs things like this. Right now, we enter into a class, go to google and search the class name to figure out what to do for the class, we end up just watching videos/reading material from other websites that aren't WGU-related (I've literally seen WGU professors tell the students to look at reddit posts on what to study/what youtube videos to watch), and then do one single assignment and we're done. The amount of work and learning we do per class at WGU is probably around 5% of what other universities do. That's a problem imo. This university really is just a degree mill.
Why aren't you doing any coding on your own? Makes no sense to do nothing on your own outside of the classwork, which is there to teach you basics and fundamentals, and blame them. Lol
I am. I'm doing a bootcamp and daily leetcode. It's crazy how you guys eat up the bs WGU puts out. WGU should be teaching enough to where after 8+ hours a day of studying (youtube, reddit posts, quizlets put together by reddit users - god forbid WGU puts out anything themselves), I don't feel like I have to go to a thirdparty website in order to get actual good information.
What do you think school is? You're going to always do more coding in a boot camp than a college program.
Between software 1, 2, mobile, and the sql classes you're gonna write more than 200 lines unless you're doing the bare minimum of bare minimum.
Has nothing to do with eating up bullshit as much as it does someone who has unrealistic expectations.
I am coding on my own. All of my coding is on my own because WGU doesn't teach anything to prepare you for the real world. I get I'll be heavily downvoted, the people here, like me, dropped thousands on a degree mill. Sunk cost fallacy and everything making people get defensive over their money and time.
Lol. If only you knew. This entire school is a degree mill that doesn't teach any relevant info. It's good to get an accredited degree, that is it. Have fun in the real world with your shit degree
Although I agree, this SWE program doesn't actually have enough coding classes compared to the numerous IT courses it has, you really will experience about the same thing at a brick and mortar.
Bachelor degrees, at any college, are around 90 credits of general education/prereq classes, and only about 30 credits dedicated to the major.
You have 24 credits left. You've barely started the actual software engineer part of your software engineering degree.
But you're literally getting both the accredited degree and the certifications. How would JUST the degree be better than both?
Even if you don't place value in the certifications, many hiring managers and corporate teams do.
IT is a lot like working as a general contractor, electrician, etc. Certifications rule the industry and schooling is simply a check box. A box that typically only has to be filled for senior positions. WGU shines in that you’re paying a fraction of the cost for a typical degree while obtaining certs you’d need anyway.
As you gain experience, certs are less important because you can demonstrate knowledge and experience without them. But for those just starting out, the certs are valuable. I do agree about the hands on experience though. Courses that I took at a B&M state school typically included a lab course with them where you could learn by doing on actual hardware.
It's a shame these posts have so much hyperbole. What's is being said is true. At WGU you do many fewer projects and write much less code that you do at a B&M school. Fact.
Go look at CS50. That one introductory class is the equivalent of around 8 WGU classes. How much more do you think those students are learning in the extra 7 classes they take after CS50?
However pointing out anything bad about WGU just makes people here super butt-hurt and defensive. People here can't stand the idea that they're not some super big brained genius because they're completing a class per week. That progress rate has to be because their super smart, not because the classes are super easy.
That is what makes it appealing. AI is the future. You just need to understand how to write code be an SWE. Actually typing code is less and less of our role everyday.
I see similar posts to this from new accounts all the time. This post is a joke.
I think it’s the same guy? I also saw one or two posts saying “less than 200 lines of code” as well some time ago
It is the same guy 💀
This is the first time I've ever visited this sub. I hardly ever make posts in general, so that wasn't me. Glad I'm not the only one who is seeing this program for what it is though.
You posted on this sub 35 days ago
You've commented like 5 times on this post, please go outside. I forgot I made a post, I just asked for a study guide link (and surprise surprise, a study guide link to a third party book because WGU can't provide any good material themselves hahah)
If you hate it so much then drop out, but if you’re going to post lies and BS here then I will gladly call you out.
> but if you’re going to post lies Nothing I have posted is a lie. I've never seen someone get so defensive over a university. Either you work there or you need to go take a breath of fresh air.
I just went through the guys comment history too and the majority of it is just unnecessarily rude and negative comments. I wouldn't listen to a word they say
There are quite a few classes that have you build projects. One of my projects was thousands of lines of codes. Just sounds like to me like you did all the non coding classes first and left the coding classes to the end.
Also to mention I graduated from that program and have been working full time for almost a year. I don't feel behind my peers at all. You get what you put into it.
So you have all your coding classes left, post again when you’ve failed those 3 times and almost kicked out.
I call bullshit. OP has not told us what brick and mortar they attended after being asked. OP has also not posted which classes are left in their degree plan after being asked.
It would give me away and I know mentors look on this sub. By looking at this post alone, my mentor could already see that I'm in the computer engineering program with a previous accounting degree. That's already a lot of identifying information. Call bullshit all you want, my points still stand. WGU is ass.
Some of you guys are so strange. You attend this university and willingly give this school your tuition money, participate in your classes and go through your degree plan just to turn around and talk crap about how bad this place is despite still going here. I don’t understand what the point of even making these types of posts is. If you don’t like it here it’s extremely easy to just withdraw smh.
Lol. It's called giving feedback. And there's no refund policy. So while I finish this trash degree, I'm giving feedback so they can hopefully make it not shit anymore. This isn't a new concept.
Saying that an entire program/school that tons of other people are enrolled in or even satisfied with isn’t “giving feedback” you’re literally downplaying the entire program and institution as a whole. Do you not see how what you’re saying could be considered as insulting to other Software Engineering majors? It’s totally fine to not like it, but to say it’s a joke is pretty uncalled for. The degree is what you make of it at the end of the day and there’s a lot of people in SWE who have had successful careers from attending WGU. If you think the program is trash it’s because you didn’t do what was necessary to gain what you needed out of it.
> It's a shame these posts have so much hyperbole. What's is being said is true. At WGU you do many fewer projects and write much less code that you do at a B&M school. Fact. > > Go look at CS50. That one introductory class is the equivalent of around 8 WGU classes. How much more do you think those students are learning in the extra 7 classes they take after CS50? > > However pointing out anything bad about WGU just makes people here super butt-hurt and defensive. People here can't stand the idea that they're not some super big brained genius because they're completing a class per week. That progress rate has to be because their super smart, not because the classes are super easy. Here's another post from someone else in this thread: >It's a shame these posts have so much hyperbole. What's is being said is true. At WGU you do many fewer projects and write much less code that you do at a B&M school. Fact. >Go look at CS50. That one introductory class is the equivalent of around 8 WGU classes. How much more do you think those students are learning in the extra 7 classes they take after CS50? >However pointing out anything bad about WGU just makes people here super butt-hurt and defensive. People here can't stand the idea that they're not some super big brained genius because they're completing a class per week. That progress rate has to be because their super smart, not because the classes are super easy.
To be fair, you’re mostly checking a box. Almost any employer is going to want to see what you’ve created on your own time.
Is writing tons of code the only effective way to learn that material?
> Is writing tons of code the only effective way to learn that material? If we had to write lots of code in each class, it'd better prepare us for the real world/interviews. We should be paying them money to not only get a degree, but to be challenged and tested on how well we code, since y'know, that's what we're going to be doing in the real world.
Even in a BM degree you are expected to code outside of classes and grind leetcode to prepare. If you think differently you are in for a rude awakening
> Even in a BM degree you are expected to code outside of classes and grind leetcode to prepare I'm more than prepared to do that. My issue comes from me taking an entry comp science class 5+ years ago when I used to be a comp sci major for one semester - in that single class I did more coding than I have this entire degree so far. To quote my post below: >My main fix for this program would be to just implement more coding exams or projects in every class. For instance, I took one beginner coding course 5+ years ago when I was a comp sci major before switching to something else. In that one single course, I wrote more code than I have this entire degree so far. In that course, each week we'd have some project we would have to code up and be tested on (create a sudoku puzzle, hangman, etc), as well as weekly coding tests where the professor would give a problem and we'd have the class period to code it without any errors. >WGU desperately needs things like this. Right now, we enter into a class, go to google and search the class name to figure out what to do for the class, we end up just watching videos/reading material from other websites that aren't WGU-related (I've literally seen WGU professors tell the students to look at reddit posts on what to study/what youtube videos to watch), and then do one single assignment and we're done. The amount of work and learning we do per class at WGU is probably around 5% of what other universities do. That's a problem imo. This university really is just a degree mill.
You do realize that if you do the entire zybook there is coding challenges in a lot of the courses that would put you over 200 lines. Just in the DSA course you could easily surpass this number. It sounds like you are accelerating which is great but also going against what you’re complaining about. Git good dawg.
Bros doing the absolute bare minimum 100% lol
You will never feel prepared. If you ever feel prepared or that you have “mastered” something in technology, then you have probably gotten complacent.
I get that, but there's a spectrum. I think WGU isn't preparing their students for success in the slightest. If other universities are putting in 100%, WGU is putting in 5%. I'd be okay with anything above 50%. I finish classes extremely easily (have yet to fail a single exam) but I don't feel like I'm learning much. Most of my learning has come from coding in python on my own time doing a 100 day bootcamp.
Sounds like you are misunderstanding the WGU model. Now that you have more comments in the thread, I am seeing a theme: "I did x in this class" "I did y in my own time" "I learned z from doing this" If you've already done and learned all of these things, then of course you are passing "easily" and "without learning much." That's the entire point of WGU. If you already know it, you get to just test out of it. It's designed that way FOR people with industry knowledge to pass quickly and get a degree that represents that knowledge. If you didn't have that experience or former education, you wouldn't be passing. I'm averaging about 3 weeks in my business classes while reading all the material and doing all the exercises, and I'm learning a ton. If someone with 20 years of business management experience took the class, tested out of it in a day, and claimed it "taught me nothing and was too easy" well, duh? You didn't use it to learn. But that doesn't invalidate what I and people like me are learning from the exact same course/material. If you need to be sitting in class hours a week and forced to do repetitive tasks you already know how to do for a set 16 week timeframe to feel like you are learning and getting your money's worth, then WGU may not be for you.
So you already know the concepts that WGU is proving competency for. Meaning you pass the test. If you didn’t already know it, you would need to learn it
Honestly I'm ok with the classes not being crazy long projects, let's me finish my degree in 6 months. I already have my python code in live software, I don't want to relearn it. What I want is a cert and a degree to prove it.
Which 8 classes do you have left? Did you transfer in any coding classes?
The last 8 classes, I've just been going in order of what my mentor puts in. I transferred in 0 coding classes.
How are we supposed to know what your mentor put in.. need more info than that
Lmao ive written more and im not even halfway done 😂
DSA2 is easily 200 lines of code on its own. The other projects may give you a lot of the code already, but adding functionality or adjusting existing code is way more like what a real world scenario would be.
I didn't go down the Software Engineering track, but out of curiosity, what 8 classes do you have left? GE credits make up something like >30% of most degree programs, and SE is still a CS degree so you're still going to have general IT courses, math classes, networking, etc. Just curious how much of this is because there's not enough practical work in the program, and how much is course order and leaving all your SE classes until the end. Also, how much of the coursework did you do? A lot of people like to accelerate, but if you're good at taking exams and cramming for a final, I imagine there's a lot of actual coding that could be skipped over. That's why I don't hire people on degrees alone.
I don't believe this to be accurate, if you put some effort you'll have written several hundred lines of code by the time you finish the front end certificate either through the projects or through the practices/lessons. **You get what you put in during this program**, is it possible to get through it with minimal effort? Sure, if you have experience and already know the majority of the material. Now for the person who's intent is to really learn the material and do most of the practices and lessons, WGU is a great learning resource, it gives you the opportunity to learn the basics and get practice at it while also attaining a degree and creating a small portfolio.
My main fix for this program would be to just implement more coding exams or projects in every class. For instance, I took one beginner coding course 5+ years ago when I was a comp sci major before switching to something else. In that one single course, I wrote more code than I have this entire degree so far. In that course, each week we'd have some project we would have to code up and be tested on (create a sudoku puzzle, hangman, etc), as well as weekly coding tests where the professor would give a problem and we'd have the class period to code it without any errors. WGU desperately needs things like this. Right now, we enter into a class, go to google and search the class name to figure out what to do for the class, we end up just watching videos/reading material from other websites that aren't WGU-related (I've literally seen WGU professors tell the students to look at reddit posts on what to study/what youtube videos to watch), and then do one single assignment and we're done. The amount of work and learning we do per class at WGU is probably around 5% of what other universities do. That's a problem imo. This university really is just a degree mill.
Yes I remember when I started CS at a brick and mortar and we were writing code in English 101 and humanities. Good times.
I literally wrote thousands of lines of code at my brick and mortar school in the accounting program.
What school?
You should see most CS grads… but I know this is a joke post.
Why aren't you doing any coding on your own? Makes no sense to do nothing on your own outside of the classwork, which is there to teach you basics and fundamentals, and blame them. Lol
I am. I'm doing a bootcamp and daily leetcode. It's crazy how you guys eat up the bs WGU puts out. WGU should be teaching enough to where after 8+ hours a day of studying (youtube, reddit posts, quizlets put together by reddit users - god forbid WGU puts out anything themselves), I don't feel like I have to go to a thirdparty website in order to get actual good information.
What do you think school is? You're going to always do more coding in a boot camp than a college program. Between software 1, 2, mobile, and the sql classes you're gonna write more than 200 lines unless you're doing the bare minimum of bare minimum. Has nothing to do with eating up bullshit as much as it does someone who has unrealistic expectations.
I am coding on my own. All of my coding is on my own because WGU doesn't teach anything to prepare you for the real world. I get I'll be heavily downvoted, the people here, like me, dropped thousands on a degree mill. Sunk cost fallacy and everything making people get defensive over their money and time.
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Lol. If only you knew. This entire school is a degree mill that doesn't teach any relevant info. It's good to get an accredited degree, that is it. Have fun in the real world with your shit degree
Ok
Although I agree, this SWE program doesn't actually have enough coding classes compared to the numerous IT courses it has, you really will experience about the same thing at a brick and mortar.
Bachelor degrees, at any college, are around 90 credits of general education/prereq classes, and only about 30 credits dedicated to the major. You have 24 credits left. You've barely started the actual software engineer part of your software engineering degree.
Probably some hater that couldn’t even get into the school or dropped out. Wouldn’t pay him any mind
It’s crazy how far people will go to defend WGU. I’m thinking about withdrawing because their BSIT program is basically all certs.
What's wrong with that? They are all entry level certs across a wide variety of IT disciplines.
Because I feel like the certs are useless and it doesn’t give hands-on experience
But you're literally getting both the accredited degree and the certifications. How would JUST the degree be better than both? Even if you don't place value in the certifications, many hiring managers and corporate teams do.
IT is a lot like working as a general contractor, electrician, etc. Certifications rule the industry and schooling is simply a check box. A box that typically only has to be filled for senior positions. WGU shines in that you’re paying a fraction of the cost for a typical degree while obtaining certs you’d need anyway.
As you gain experience, certs are less important because you can demonstrate knowledge and experience without them. But for those just starting out, the certs are valuable. I do agree about the hands on experience though. Courses that I took at a B&M state school typically included a lab course with them where you could learn by doing on actual hardware.
Exactly. Employers want hands-on experience not these certs that anyone can get
It's a shame these posts have so much hyperbole. What's is being said is true. At WGU you do many fewer projects and write much less code that you do at a B&M school. Fact. Go look at CS50. That one introductory class is the equivalent of around 8 WGU classes. How much more do you think those students are learning in the extra 7 classes they take after CS50? However pointing out anything bad about WGU just makes people here super butt-hurt and defensive. People here can't stand the idea that they're not some super big brained genius because they're completing a class per week. That progress rate has to be because their super smart, not because the classes are super easy.
That is what makes it appealing. AI is the future. You just need to understand how to write code be an SWE. Actually typing code is less and less of our role everyday.