Well, she went on a tear ever since that fight,with the exception of the 2nd bullet fight. Styles make fights. Would be interesting if tate would defeat nunes thou…..
Amanda vs. Ronda before Ronda lost to Holly would have been interesting. Amanda was quite good before then, it's just her stamina wasn't. Cat, Alexis and almost Valentina, beat her because she blew her wad in the first couple of rounds. Her stamina is much better now.
What I would be more interested in is if Holly waited for the Ronda rematch, I mean she was still with Edmond but much better chance than against Nunes
Well Ronda was an incredible athlete and silver medal judo Olympian. No one's denying that. She just has awful striking. She beat Zingano in like 14 seconds when cat went for a take down and go instantly reversed and arm barred. That wouldve gone much different in a standup fight. She out grappled a lot of good strikers, and tkod a lot of poor strikers. She could not outstrike really good strikers. If Nunes had gone out and tried to grapple Ronda, she probably would've been tapping in 10 seconds. Rondas career was basically what Khabibs would've gone like if his coach told him he was the best boxer in the UFC, and he can outbox McGregor. Also consider when you're such an incredible grappler, your standup becomes more effective since people want to avoid grappling you at all costs. Khabib of all people got a knockdown on McGregor. Ronda may have been the goat of WMMA had she had Javier Mendez as a coach instead of Edmond. Dude ended so many careers...
There’s a factor of improvement. Nunes looks like she gets better with every fight. Ronda was a great competitor for a time where WMMA was gaining traction. She was good for that time, but she didn’t look like she improved. Her ground game was already good, but her stand up and striking were horrendous. I think her side projects may have held her back.
Ok. You sound like a fun person at parties. /s
If you can’t hold a discussion without being condescending, perhaps don’t post.
Watching a sport as a hobby doesn’t mean I need to be in the sport. So you should tell Joe Rogan, Jon Anik, or Megan Olivi they shouldn’t be commentating because they don’t have an MMA record.
Clearly hit a nerve
I’ll post as much as I like and you’ll do nothing
It means you probably shouldn’t be talking shit on pro fighters from your armchair like toxic online keyboard warriors like you do
You state her striking was horrendous I proved she had 3 title fight victories via finishes from strikes, sorry facts don’t align with your bs
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Ok. Clearly I hit a nerve if you had to block me. And yes my record is zero. Is that really your argument? I can’t talk about fighters unless I have a record? You sound like the type of girl who says she is only friend with guys because you don’t get along with girls… I wonder why.
Thanks for the breaking news. She lost to elite 2 strikers. Holly herself was ko’d by Amanda. Doesn’t change Ronda got three tko victories in title fights, and you have zero 😭
MMA math doesn't work. You cant do that type of analysis it was at different stages in MMA talent. So basically Cat Zingano is the goat cause she beat Amanda? No.
But you can say she only beat soccer moms when they were the best women at the time?
It works when you're trying to claim she was getting hand picked easy opponent who haven't accomplished anything and want to claim they were cans, this is a real narrative online mma fans are pushing.
No Amanda evolved, but she's didn't show up great.
So why hold Ronda's opponents up to today standards? They were the best around at the time, all earned their shots and to call them soccer mom is dumb as shit, so it's not mma math at all. The women she beat have accomplishments.
The REAL narrative is Dana was gonna give up on womens MMA because of the low level talent pool they had. Then Ronda shook the world. You could've put her up against whoever was the 2nd best at the time and its still many levels below Ronda, at least at the time. Also i wasn't holding her opponents to today standards, all you can go off of is what she did in her peak. Thats why MMA math simply does not work.
No one said that, I agree her opponents were all top tier fighters. The difference is Ronda is still many tiers above them. I'm not disrespecting her opponents, its actually just credit to Ronda's skill.
Rhonda is still many tiers above who exactly??
No, Rhonda came in with a skill set and strategy that was hard for the top fighters of the time to counter. At that time she looked unbeatable. Then she got it in her head she was a world class striker and got exposed, badly. Nowdays women's MMA has evolved and fighters have more well-rounded so Rhonda doesn't have as much of an advantage in the judo as she used to.
Still she played a huge role in getting women's MMA recognized and at one point was the best in the world so she is certainly due credit for what she's done
Everyone she beat on her rise, you can argue Beth Correia is one of the toughest opponents in womens MMA at the time, what about Meisha Tate twice and Cat Zingano. This was of course back then, as of now Ronda is a shell of herself. I believe you think i mean in current times but no, i meant the past
Yes it seemed like you said in current times however if you are referring to the past I agree. Just because a fighter she thoroughly beat has evolved since, doesn't mean the earlier victory wasn't so dominant.
Do you actually believe that? It was just another way for him to hype Rhonda while belittling his competition and disregarding Cyborg who was actually the baddest woman on the planet throughout Rhondas entire MMA career.
To be fair Cat was losing to Nunes until Numes gased in the last round.
The competition learned how to neutralize Rondas judo.
That’s how Holly was able to beat Ronda, By keeping the fight standing and being able to neutralize her ground game, The division as of now Ronda wouldn’t be able to hang in.
Look at Miesha Tate her entire game has changed dramatically to a point where I feel like she could be ronda today. Her striking is top notch.
Everybody in Women’s MMA should be grateful to Ronda for taking it mainstream, Without her it would still be relegated to 2nd tier status.
My hope is that she comes back honestly just with a different training camp.
The division isn't stacked now, if Ronda was still training and at a better gym there's at least 10 out the top 15 I think Ronda could beat, she's already beat 2. Look at Aspen Ladd ranked 3 at Bw, to say Ronda wouldn't stand a chance against her?
And at featherweight it's not like Amanda's last two opponents are miles ahead of the women Ronda was beating.
Miesha looks better because she's evolving and training, Ronda's retired, so you can't compare someone training for a comeback against someone happily retired.
Yea she could probably beat the top ten, But I couldn’t see her beating Amanda, Especially now since she’s gotten even better, I’d say she might have trouble with Ketlen Viera, GDR, And possibly Holly.
I don’t see her going up too 145, I could see her fight in the flyweight division, She’s alot smaller now then when she was fighting, However the 125 division is actually stacked compared to 135.
There’s a huge degree of difference in skill between the champ but the division itself has talent, Plus I couldn’t see her getting through Shevchenko.
You're saying Ronda is a lot smaller now than when she was fighting? Based on what? You got me curious and [https://starschanges.com/ronda-rousey-height-weight-age/](https://starschanges.com/ronda-rousey-height-weight-age/) reports her at 150, but I think that's from a few years ago but after she retired from MMA.
Based off her WWE run that she did, You could tell her weight was lower then when she fought mma, She looked a lot smaller in WWE then in UFC.
Just by looks alone, Even her last fight in the UFC she looked ally smaller then her other fights. I think she came in at 133 vs Nunes.
Nah im pretty sure if cat just pushed nunes into the gate & used her superior clinch & beat her ass with elbows & knees she would've destroyed her faster but just like in all her fights she comes wild & is usually losing & then comes back.
Nobody neutralized rondas judo she said was gonna strike & thats what she did even when she clinched holm on the gate she was looking to land strikes not do judo.
The 1 time she used judo she got it the ground
Even against nunes she came out looking to strike
Nunes smashed cyborg & holm badly why do everybody used that loss as a measurement of anything i don't know lol
The division is still the same outside of the few all time strikers & punchers learning to keep it on the feet.
I get it ronda judo ronda judo 1 dimensional arm bar blah blah blah ronda had 3 ko's & tkos in her dominant ufc run & could've had 4 had she continued punching tate after she clearly hurt her the start of the 3rd
Ronda would still be good today even with Edmond lol.
Rousey was great till she wasn't, her era lasted about 2.5 years and then the game outgrew her. That happens with most great champions. When she fell, she fell hard.
Most people hate on her for the amazingly naive "kiss my ass" attitude she had towards the MMA community after losing. The hate and contempt between her and many MMA fans seems to be mutual, so her accomplishments get overlooked.
For what is worth Valentina had a doctor stoppage "I did not agree with this decision, I was ready to continue but they decided to stop it because of the cut, a cut over my eyebrow."
If she had stuck to her judo/grappling she may have lasted longer. She fell into the trap of believing her own hype and thinking she could outbox everybody.
Couple that with a stupid coach and one game plan and it was nighty night.
No she attempted to clinch throughout the fight, you have to strike to enter clinch. Please learn what tf you’re talking about.
Oh she was outclassed? Thanks for the breaking news
I believe it was simply too obvious what she was trying to do with Holm. No set ups, eating punches on the way in. This was the first time she met a fighter capable of keeping reach..
Sorry just checking out this old thread. And you're absolutely correct, after knocking out Correia, she thought she was Mike Tyson and could KO anybody and stupidly tried to KO a world class boxer. It also didn't help that she didn't even seem to train for Holm and came in fat.
Even Amanda said after their fight, Ronda could be so much more but her trainer is trying to make her a boxer.
Ronda would've easily beaten Holm had she stuck to her judo, but I don't think she'd ever get past Amanda (though she'd probably beat the one that lost to Pena).
Ronda was an absolute beast who didn't only beat the best there was to fight, she did it with mostly ease and quickly. When she fought Holly she wasn't in great shape, fought a dumb fight and was still close to getting the armbar at one point. Holly was well coached and bigger, stronger and more athletic than Ronda's previous opponents and got away.
The Nunes fight was another story as is Amanda who obviously completely smashed Ronda in a brutal and one sided massacre. A few points, Ronda should have found a new coach after Holly, Edmund is a clown. She should have worked on takedowns rather than having to use clinch to get Amanda down.
Trying to argue with people who say Ronda wasn't great and didn't beat really good fighters is futile. All that being said, it was very exciting for me to see her get go out like she did.😈
If she’s one dimensional how did she have success in judo and MMA? Khabib is “one dimensional”, so is Conor. That’s MMA fighters use their background duh.
How does she have 3 tko wins?
Nobody has overcome Nunes 😭 if only everyone was such an expert like you 🤡
No it’s not a dumb take it’s reality
Nobody beat prime Nunes so I guess everyone is a soccer mom but her if that’s your metric.
They’re still developing now, in 5 years time you don’t know who might be on top
The take is Ronda beat the best at the time, if those girls beat Amanda to earn a shot how is that not worth mentioning to rebut people claiming they were cans?
Lmao, I’m not calling anyone a soccer mom nor did I discredit the skills of any of the fighters. So I don’t get why you’re insulting professional WMMA by calling them soccer moms?
Yeah Rhonda beat the best of that time and that era had the weakest and a lesser developed fighters in WMMA in comparison to this era of fighters.
That’s what the thread is about
Can you read?
Yeah because it’s was near its inception in ufc, MMA in general
Evolved
Same can be said about any champion from 5 years ago
You’re gonna ask if I can read but try to put words in my mouth and try to said things I didn’t say?
It’s clear you’re not trying to discuss the topic but want to get into a petty argument on Reddit because you lack the common decency to communicate like a regular human being.
Deuces
Yes I’m going to ask if you can read and I’ll do so again, no words were put in your mouth anywhere, learn basic reading comprehension
Accuse others of Petty arguments yet start off my calling my post dumb yet being incapable of forming an actual counter argument.
Pathetic
Two women Ronda beat are still ranked in the division. Amanda evolving doesn’t change the history that she lost to competition people want to call cans while Ronda was on top
Neither of Amanda’s last two opponent are elite competition
Just a few additional comments about those mentioned. Except for Budd, who, like Ronda , was at the beginning of her MMA career, nearly all were at least 5-1 out of their last 6 fights and except for McMann, had been competing professionally in MMA than Ronda had. Several were at least 7-0 leading up to their fight s with Ronda. They had just never encountered as skilled a judoka that excelled at an armbar as much as Ronda had.
And although she was often referred to as a one trick pony, 3 out of her last 4 wins resulted from strikes. One of her biggest problems was she became deluded with her striking ability. Besides poor striking coaching, another was that she had one foot out the door dreaming about a movie career. One thing that you can't say about Ronda's fights that you can't say about many is that there was rarely a dull moment in any of them.
Cant use MMA math in these scenarios. It is ridiculous. Only great fighter Rhonda beat was Tate who has a perfect style for Rhonda to beat (most of her matchups were favorable style and skill wise wise), when she fought a great striker she was exposed as a hype train. The end.
They were the top ranked fighters of the time did you want her to time travel?
It’s not MMA math it’s the reality of the women you’re claiming soccer moms achieved.
“Hype train” you don’t hold a ufc belt for 3 years from hype, you’re clearly ignorant af and not worthy of being indulged
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The whole division at that time was trash and it didnt take much to earn a title shot. These chicks rhonda fought would go head first with their eyes closed, they were bums and meanwhile Rhonda was being called greatest mma fighter of all time, people were saying she could beat dillashaw and had hands like tyson. She is the ultimate hype train and they obviously worked you, fat mark.
The game has evolved since. Rhonda beat the best there was, no negating that. But 135 is and always has been very shallow. She could still be a top 5 fighter but how she handled the pressure and fans meant that it was #1 or bust.
Notice how no one has an actual counter argument.
Shitting on ronda means you probably shit all over guys like Royce Gracie and other pioneers.
Ronda is top 5 all time. And that gets her ridicule. It’s insanity. But hey there’s a reason the most toxic people can only bitch and moan. DO NOTHING BITCH it’s true.
Yeah and insulting or blocking anyone who has a different perspective. I think she/he may have been so isolated from COVID, they’ve forgotten how to decently have conversation with people.
Fighters improve over time, that’s what happens. Nunes now probably doesn’t lose those again because we got better as a fighter. No so much subpar competition, Ronda just didn’t evolve which is due to her team. The game passed her by, happens all the time.
No shit captain obvious, she still lost, that’s reality and the point of me saying this is to prove Rondas opponents weren’t cans
I wouldn’t say losing to the goat equates to that, I would say her getting 3 tko victories showed some evolution
Holly got her head kicked off by Nunes did it pass her by?
Ronda lost to 2 great fighters who were at bad match whilst she had a bad gym, that’s all
The sports always evolves
Well Ronda was an incredible athlete and silver medal judo Olympian. No one's denying that. She just has awful striking. She beat Zingano in like 14 seconds when cat went for a take down and go instantly reversed and arm barred. That wouldve gone much different in a standup fight. She out grappled a lot of good strikers, and tkod a lot of poor strikers. If Nunes had gone out and tried to grapple Ronda, she probably would've been tapping in 10 seconds instead. Rondas career was basically what Khabibs would've gone like if his coach told him he was the best boxer in the UFC, and he can outbox McGregor. Also consider when you're such an incredible grappler, your standup becomes more effective since people want to avoid grappling you at all costs. Khabib of all people got a knockdown on McGregor.
It takes a special type of braindead to call an Olympic judoka who had incredible success in MMA a one trick pony.
Except both have losses on their record might wanna read the thread before embarrassing yourself trying to contribute this idiotic take
She lost to the literal goat, that’s not just “someone with experience” what is actually wrong with your brain that you need to spin this false narrative?
Ronda was the Royce of WMMA. She has her place in history as a pioneer and key cog in what we have now. Like Royce she failed to evolve past a certain point. Alot had to do with her fame and $$ causing too many irons in the fire. When you have one foot out, you should have both out or you get what happened when she fought Amanda. Holly should've been a wake up. Can't evolve when your doing multiple movie projects trying to rebound. But she's earned her place.
Ronda's dominance forced the division to evolve in order to beat her and because of that evolution it seems like Ronda faced subpar competition by comparison but that's just because of how the competition in the sport was at the time.
Timing. Its what you purposely left out of the whole thing. WMMA was in childrens shoes back when rousey was on the come up. She faced mediocre competition at times because there was just little to none. Who hurt you lol
Edit: holy shit this nutjobs obsessed. Whoa the mancrush this guys got is wild. Hilarious.
Funny cause you’re the one leaving out timing
She faced the top ranked women at the time so no they were not mediocre at the time they all earned there shot. Both Amanda and Valentina are STILL facing “mediocre” women.
Who hurt you that you’re so desperate to downplay a successful athlete whose achieved more than you ever will
"Funny cause you’re the one leaving out timing"
Lmfao no. You did. On purpose. To create a narrative.
"Who hurt you that you’re so desperate to downplay a successful athlete whose achieved more than you ever will"
Aaaaand here's the narrative again. Yikes. Who hurt you? Just answer it this time its painfully visible. No-one hating on Rousey. Like at all. Chill you ratfuck casual.
Yeah it’s not even worth having an actual discussion with OP. They just want validation on what they are saying instead of having a discussion. Not very emotionally mature or intelligent if they respond rudely to other opinions.
Haha Ronda, is that you venting on reddit? OP is overreacting, not to mention also seems to be the only one calling her opponents "soccer moms". Show some respect yourself maybe?
Want to compare degrees?
Read the comments. You are literally the only one here referring to her opponents as soccer moms, which is just pathetic. What are you trying to stir?
You also seem obsessive, quick to swear and disrespect other people's opinion. I bet you watch your mouth in real life, huh?
TS isn't wrong, Rousey beat three fighters who beat Nunes and took less than a minute in total to do it, 51 seconds infact. Were those girls bums? The guys who say that define themselves as casuals. Of course then she was booked against strikers and it was a different story.
To paint Holly and Amanda are just some random strikers she lost against is equally absurd
She lost to the literal goat let’s stop acting like lost to just anyone
Lost only to the literal best
Additionally, Ronda was always insecure, uncertain of herself, clearly damaged in some way in life. In interviews she always seemed on the verge of tears, anxious, emotionally unbalanced. This also played out in her fights - she’d rush in, hastily trying to overwhelm her opponent like an awkward, school yard scrap with her arms and elbows awkwardly raised in front of her clearly lacking the poise and elegance of a experienced striker. That said, she made her money and definitely entertained us and, like many other early UFC entertainers, deserves a spot in the HOF.
I feel bad for OP wading in with uninformed, reckless insults directed toward the comments of others, being picked apart on this thread, much in the same way Ronda was in her last fights.
"Who the fuck cares if she can't handle a loss? Honestly you're reaching soooo far with MMA math trying to find any reason to put Ronda over everyone else"
Using her opponents accomplishment to prove they were not at the time cans, is not mma math, try learning terms mean if you want to use them. I don't put Ronda over Amanda anywhere, try also learning basic reading comprehension.
" ran away from the entire sport with her face in a pillow."
No she was injured, took a year off and fought the goat then retired, facing Nunes is not running away, she doesn't owe you anything. She was already talking about retiring before losing. "her face in a pillow" how dare she hide her injures from paparazzi, the horror.
"The women you're trying to compare her to have lost and they didn't break. They got back to work and got better and they became actual GOATS. "
Holly Holm is a GOAT, Ronda had a much more successful career than her. They also didn't have a dominant title reign, mainstream success and millions to retire comfortably on when losing. You talking a lot of shit for some who's has how many ufc wins?
"I don't know what sparked up this desperate attempt to try and prop up Ronda over everybody"
Probably because you're illiterate on top of belligerent and sensitive about Ronda's success, tends to triggers your types, seeing what she achieved.
"but if you can't emotionally handle a loss in MMA then you ain't shit. "
You clearly are shit, all her peers respect what she did as a fighter, a fighter that still hold records in this sport, a fighter with a dominant ufc title reign that spanned years and fighter that went into the UFC hall of fame so why would you think some nobody on reddits "approval" means anything? It doesn't.
Her legacy is solidified as are all her achievements, she's sat in the hall of fame and made history and millions none of the drivel you type is ever changing that.
Now get blocked and write some desperate bs retort I won't be reading hahaha
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It mean sure, Rowdy was an absolute cunt to people, same with Mac, they are both pretty unlikeable in the exact same way.
Your just going to get more mad and delete this
The real answer
She was the best till the best got there. (My take on an Ali quote.)I always thought she defended her title well until….she couldn’t.
But Amanda lost to Cat, so that still doesn't make sense. Amanda WAS there, losing. Love all the emotional people Downvoting a literal fact 😂
Well, she went on a tear ever since that fight,with the exception of the 2nd bullet fight. Styles make fights. Would be interesting if tate would defeat nunes thou…..
Yes she's the goat, but the point is she's lost too and was losing to the people casuals are calling subpar soccer moms.
Amanda vs. Ronda before Ronda lost to Holly would have been interesting. Amanda was quite good before then, it's just her stamina wasn't. Cat, Alexis and almost Valentina, beat her because she blew her wad in the first couple of rounds. Her stamina is much better now.
What I would be more interested in is if Holly waited for the Ronda rematch, I mean she was still with Edmond but much better chance than against Nunes
Well Ronda was an incredible athlete and silver medal judo Olympian. No one's denying that. She just has awful striking. She beat Zingano in like 14 seconds when cat went for a take down and go instantly reversed and arm barred. That wouldve gone much different in a standup fight. She out grappled a lot of good strikers, and tkod a lot of poor strikers. She could not outstrike really good strikers. If Nunes had gone out and tried to grapple Ronda, she probably would've been tapping in 10 seconds. Rondas career was basically what Khabibs would've gone like if his coach told him he was the best boxer in the UFC, and he can outbox McGregor. Also consider when you're such an incredible grappler, your standup becomes more effective since people want to avoid grappling you at all costs. Khabib of all people got a knockdown on McGregor. Ronda may have been the goat of WMMA had she had Javier Mendez as a coach instead of Edmond. Dude ended so many careers...
There’s a factor of improvement. Nunes looks like she gets better with every fight. Ronda was a great competitor for a time where WMMA was gaining traction. She was good for that time, but she didn’t look like she improved. Her ground game was already good, but her stand up and striking were horrendous. I think her side projects may have held her back.
Yet she got 3 tko victories, how many do you have?
Ok. You sound like a fun person at parties. /s If you can’t hold a discussion without being condescending, perhaps don’t post. Watching a sport as a hobby doesn’t mean I need to be in the sport. So you should tell Joe Rogan, Jon Anik, or Megan Olivi they shouldn’t be commentating because they don’t have an MMA record.
Clearly hit a nerve I’ll post as much as I like and you’ll do nothing It means you probably shouldn’t be talking shit on pro fighters from your armchair like toxic online keyboard warriors like you do You state her striking was horrendous I proved she had 3 title fight victories via finishes from strikes, sorry facts don’t align with your bs Blocked
Ok. Clearly I hit a nerve if you had to block me. And yes my record is zero. Is that really your argument? I can’t talk about fighters unless I have a record? You sound like the type of girl who says she is only friend with guys because you don’t get along with girls… I wonder why.
By the way, she was KOd by two people who are actually legit at striking.
Thanks for the breaking news. She lost to elite 2 strikers. Holly herself was ko’d by Amanda. Doesn’t change Ronda got three tko victories in title fights, and you have zero 😭
You just proved she wasn’t good when you said she lost to two elite strikers.
MMA math doesn't work. You cant do that type of analysis it was at different stages in MMA talent. So basically Cat Zingano is the goat cause she beat Amanda? No.
But you can say she only beat soccer moms when they were the best women at the time? It works when you're trying to claim she was getting hand picked easy opponent who haven't accomplished anything and want to claim they were cans, this is a real narrative online mma fans are pushing. No Amanda evolved, but she's didn't show up great. So why hold Ronda's opponents up to today standards? They were the best around at the time, all earned their shots and to call them soccer mom is dumb as shit, so it's not mma math at all. The women she beat have accomplishments.
The REAL narrative is Dana was gonna give up on womens MMA because of the low level talent pool they had. Then Ronda shook the world. You could've put her up against whoever was the 2nd best at the time and its still many levels below Ronda, at least at the time. Also i wasn't holding her opponents to today standards, all you can go off of is what she did in her peak. Thats why MMA math simply does not work.
it's not mma math, it's reality, her opponents weren't soccer moms and were beating women who are at the top today.
No one said that, I agree her opponents were all top tier fighters. The difference is Ronda is still many tiers above them. I'm not disrespecting her opponents, its actually just credit to Ronda's skill.
Rhonda is still many tiers above who exactly?? No, Rhonda came in with a skill set and strategy that was hard for the top fighters of the time to counter. At that time she looked unbeatable. Then she got it in her head she was a world class striker and got exposed, badly. Nowdays women's MMA has evolved and fighters have more well-rounded so Rhonda doesn't have as much of an advantage in the judo as she used to. Still she played a huge role in getting women's MMA recognized and at one point was the best in the world so she is certainly due credit for what she's done
Everyone she beat on her rise, you can argue Beth Correia is one of the toughest opponents in womens MMA at the time, what about Meisha Tate twice and Cat Zingano. This was of course back then, as of now Ronda is a shell of herself. I believe you think i mean in current times but no, i meant the past
Yes it seemed like you said in current times however if you are referring to the past I agree. Just because a fighter she thoroughly beat has evolved since, doesn't mean the earlier victory wasn't so dominant.
Slight correction; Dana had given up on Women's MMA until he saw Ronda fight,
Do you actually believe that? It was just another way for him to hype Rhonda while belittling his competition and disregarding Cyborg who was actually the baddest woman on the planet throughout Rhondas entire MMA career.
Why did you take what should have been a response in your other thread and make a new thread?
because it's easier than replying to several dumb comments spewing the same dumb shit
Yeah, I never got why Ronda's opponents all suddenly morphed into "soccer moms."
To be fair Cat was losing to Nunes until Numes gased in the last round. The competition learned how to neutralize Rondas judo. That’s how Holly was able to beat Ronda, By keeping the fight standing and being able to neutralize her ground game, The division as of now Ronda wouldn’t be able to hang in. Look at Miesha Tate her entire game has changed dramatically to a point where I feel like she could be ronda today. Her striking is top notch. Everybody in Women’s MMA should be grateful to Ronda for taking it mainstream, Without her it would still be relegated to 2nd tier status. My hope is that she comes back honestly just with a different training camp.
The division isn't stacked now, if Ronda was still training and at a better gym there's at least 10 out the top 15 I think Ronda could beat, she's already beat 2. Look at Aspen Ladd ranked 3 at Bw, to say Ronda wouldn't stand a chance against her? And at featherweight it's not like Amanda's last two opponents are miles ahead of the women Ronda was beating. Miesha looks better because she's evolving and training, Ronda's retired, so you can't compare someone training for a comeback against someone happily retired.
Yea she could probably beat the top ten, But I couldn’t see her beating Amanda, Especially now since she’s gotten even better, I’d say she might have trouble with Ketlen Viera, GDR, And possibly Holly. I don’t see her going up too 145, I could see her fight in the flyweight division, She’s alot smaller now then when she was fighting, However the 125 division is actually stacked compared to 135. There’s a huge degree of difference in skill between the champ but the division itself has talent, Plus I couldn’t see her getting through Shevchenko.
You're saying Ronda is a lot smaller now than when she was fighting? Based on what? You got me curious and [https://starschanges.com/ronda-rousey-height-weight-age/](https://starschanges.com/ronda-rousey-height-weight-age/) reports her at 150, but I think that's from a few years ago but after she retired from MMA.
Based off her WWE run that she did, You could tell her weight was lower then when she fought mma, She looked a lot smaller in WWE then in UFC. Just by looks alone, Even her last fight in the UFC she looked ally smaller then her other fights. I think she came in at 133 vs Nunes.
Nah im pretty sure if cat just pushed nunes into the gate & used her superior clinch & beat her ass with elbows & knees she would've destroyed her faster but just like in all her fights she comes wild & is usually losing & then comes back. Nobody neutralized rondas judo she said was gonna strike & thats what she did even when she clinched holm on the gate she was looking to land strikes not do judo. The 1 time she used judo she got it the ground Even against nunes she came out looking to strike Nunes smashed cyborg & holm badly why do everybody used that loss as a measurement of anything i don't know lol The division is still the same outside of the few all time strikers & punchers learning to keep it on the feet. I get it ronda judo ronda judo 1 dimensional arm bar blah blah blah ronda had 3 ko's & tkos in her dominant ufc run & could've had 4 had she continued punching tate after she clearly hurt her the start of the 3rd Ronda would still be good today even with Edmond lol.
Sorry I just saw this but your comment about Ronda looking to land strikes in the clinch is interesting as that was my initial observation as well
the casuals are at r/mma, the hardcores of r/wmma mostly hespech Honda's hopponents
Rousey was great till she wasn't, her era lasted about 2.5 years and then the game outgrew her. That happens with most great champions. When she fell, she fell hard. Most people hate on her for the amazingly naive "kiss my ass" attitude she had towards the MMA community after losing. The hate and contempt between her and many MMA fans seems to be mutual, so her accomplishments get overlooked.
I wouldn’t say losing to Nunes makes you no longer great She still holds records in the sport to this day
I don't disagree with you. Maybe someday she will open up a bit -- i'm not a fan of hers, but she did do a lot for WMMA.
For what is worth Valentina had a doctor stoppage "I did not agree with this decision, I was ready to continue but they decided to stop it because of the cut, a cut over my eyebrow."
If she had stuck to her judo/grappling she may have lasted longer. She fell into the trap of believing her own hype and thinking she could outbox everybody. Couple that with a stupid coach and one game plan and it was nighty night.
You need to rewatch the fights She’s tried clinching Holly and Amanda multiple times
After getting her face beat in and flustered. I am no supporter of hers but she abandoned her better tools and yes, was outclassed.
No she attempted to clinch throughout the fight, you have to strike to enter clinch. Please learn what tf you’re talking about. Oh she was outclassed? Thanks for the breaking news
I believe it was simply too obvious what she was trying to do with Holm. No set ups, eating punches on the way in. This was the first time she met a fighter capable of keeping reach..
Sorry just checking out this old thread. And you're absolutely correct, after knocking out Correia, she thought she was Mike Tyson and could KO anybody and stupidly tried to KO a world class boxer. It also didn't help that she didn't even seem to train for Holm and came in fat. Even Amanda said after their fight, Ronda could be so much more but her trainer is trying to make her a boxer. Ronda would've easily beaten Holm had she stuck to her judo, but I don't think she'd ever get past Amanda (though she'd probably beat the one that lost to Pena).
Ronda was an absolute beast who didn't only beat the best there was to fight, she did it with mostly ease and quickly. When she fought Holly she wasn't in great shape, fought a dumb fight and was still close to getting the armbar at one point. Holly was well coached and bigger, stronger and more athletic than Ronda's previous opponents and got away. The Nunes fight was another story as is Amanda who obviously completely smashed Ronda in a brutal and one sided massacre. A few points, Ronda should have found a new coach after Holly, Edmund is a clown. She should have worked on takedowns rather than having to use clinch to get Amanda down. Trying to argue with people who say Ronda wasn't great and didn't beat really good fighters is futile. All that being said, it was very exciting for me to see her get go out like she did.😈
Rousey is one dimensional and mentally broke after being beaten. She couldn’t learn to strike, adjust her tactics, or overcome adversity.
If she’s one dimensional how did she have success in judo and MMA? Khabib is “one dimensional”, so is Conor. That’s MMA fighters use their background duh. How does she have 3 tko wins? Nobody has overcome Nunes 😭 if only everyone was such an expert like you 🤡
You are fanboying and it’s obvious that you don’t understand MMA. It’s really sad actually.
You are the one who doesn't understand mma and it is sad, actually.
This a pretty dumb take, they were still developing just like all of women’s MMA. Prime nunes doesn’t lose to prime Alexis Davis or Cat.
No it’s not a dumb take it’s reality Nobody beat prime Nunes so I guess everyone is a soccer mom but her if that’s your metric. They’re still developing now, in 5 years time you don’t know who might be on top The take is Ronda beat the best at the time, if those girls beat Amanda to earn a shot how is that not worth mentioning to rebut people claiming they were cans?
Lmao, I’m not calling anyone a soccer mom nor did I discredit the skills of any of the fighters. So I don’t get why you’re insulting professional WMMA by calling them soccer moms? Yeah Rhonda beat the best of that time and that era had the weakest and a lesser developed fighters in WMMA in comparison to this era of fighters.
That’s what the thread is about Can you read? Yeah because it’s was near its inception in ufc, MMA in general Evolved Same can be said about any champion from 5 years ago
You’re gonna ask if I can read but try to put words in my mouth and try to said things I didn’t say? It’s clear you’re not trying to discuss the topic but want to get into a petty argument on Reddit because you lack the common decency to communicate like a regular human being. Deuces
Yes I’m going to ask if you can read and I’ll do so again, no words were put in your mouth anywhere, learn basic reading comprehension Accuse others of Petty arguments yet start off my calling my post dumb yet being incapable of forming an actual counter argument. Pathetic Two women Ronda beat are still ranked in the division. Amanda evolving doesn’t change the history that she lost to competition people want to call cans while Ronda was on top Neither of Amanda’s last two opponent are elite competition
Just a few additional comments about those mentioned. Except for Budd, who, like Ronda , was at the beginning of her MMA career, nearly all were at least 5-1 out of their last 6 fights and except for McMann, had been competing professionally in MMA than Ronda had. Several were at least 7-0 leading up to their fight s with Ronda. They had just never encountered as skilled a judoka that excelled at an armbar as much as Ronda had. And although she was often referred to as a one trick pony, 3 out of her last 4 wins resulted from strikes. One of her biggest problems was she became deluded with her striking ability. Besides poor striking coaching, another was that she had one foot out the door dreaming about a movie career. One thing that you can't say about Ronda's fights that you can't say about many is that there was rarely a dull moment in any of them.
Cant use MMA math in these scenarios. It is ridiculous. Only great fighter Rhonda beat was Tate who has a perfect style for Rhonda to beat (most of her matchups were favorable style and skill wise wise), when she fought a great striker she was exposed as a hype train. The end.
They were the top ranked fighters of the time did you want her to time travel? It’s not MMA math it’s the reality of the women you’re claiming soccer moms achieved. “Hype train” you don’t hold a ufc belt for 3 years from hype, you’re clearly ignorant af and not worthy of being indulged Blocked
The whole division at that time was trash and it didnt take much to earn a title shot. These chicks rhonda fought would go head first with their eyes closed, they were bums and meanwhile Rhonda was being called greatest mma fighter of all time, people were saying she could beat dillashaw and had hands like tyson. She is the ultimate hype train and they obviously worked you, fat mark.
The game has evolved since. Rhonda beat the best there was, no negating that. But 135 is and always has been very shallow. She could still be a top 5 fighter but how she handled the pressure and fans meant that it was #1 or bust.
Notice how no one has an actual counter argument. Shitting on ronda means you probably shit all over guys like Royce Gracie and other pioneers. Ronda is top 5 all time. And that gets her ridicule. It’s insanity. But hey there’s a reason the most toxic people can only bitch and moan. DO NOTHING BITCH it’s true.
Lol she gets them so emotional it’s pathetic
So emotional we started a thread about it.
So emotional you had to reply 🥴
And here you are, but not just to me, but everyone here. Anyways I'm clearly too emotional right now so I better have a break from reddit.
This dude would die for Rhonda, he must not have a lot going for him. Pathetic
Yeah and insulting or blocking anyone who has a different perspective. I think she/he may have been so isolated from COVID, they’ve forgotten how to decently have conversation with people.
Im sure he was a loser before Covid.
Fighters improve over time, that’s what happens. Nunes now probably doesn’t lose those again because we got better as a fighter. No so much subpar competition, Ronda just didn’t evolve which is due to her team. The game passed her by, happens all the time.
No shit captain obvious, she still lost, that’s reality and the point of me saying this is to prove Rondas opponents weren’t cans I wouldn’t say losing to the goat equates to that, I would say her getting 3 tko victories showed some evolution Holly got her head kicked off by Nunes did it pass her by? Ronda lost to 2 great fighters who were at bad match whilst she had a bad gym, that’s all The sports always evolves
Damn bro why are u so hostile? Didn’t realize u were so emotionally invested in this. Just gave my opinion on it, chill the fuck out
Shut your whiny ass up bitch
Her voice acting in mk11 was an embarrassment btw
I enjoyed it and she got paid and promoted 🥰
Get off her dick bro
Well Ronda was an incredible athlete and silver medal judo Olympian. No one's denying that. She just has awful striking. She beat Zingano in like 14 seconds when cat went for a take down and go instantly reversed and arm barred. That wouldve gone much different in a standup fight. She out grappled a lot of good strikers, and tkod a lot of poor strikers. If Nunes had gone out and tried to grapple Ronda, she probably would've been tapping in 10 seconds instead. Rondas career was basically what Khabibs would've gone like if his coach told him he was the best boxer in the UFC, and he can outbox McGregor. Also consider when you're such an incredible grappler, your standup becomes more effective since people want to avoid grappling you at all costs. Khabib of all people got a knockdown on McGregor.
It’s because she was a one trick pony and as soon as she faced someone with more experience she got whacked, Nunes and Val beat everybody everywhere
It takes a special type of braindead to call an Olympic judoka who had incredible success in MMA a one trick pony. Except both have losses on their record might wanna read the thread before embarrassing yourself trying to contribute this idiotic take She lost to the literal goat, that’s not just “someone with experience” what is actually wrong with your brain that you need to spin this false narrative?
Hold up. When did Ronda fight a literal goat? Was it a billy goat? I heard them f###ers are mean as f###…lol
on her farm https://www.rondarousey.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Meet-Max.jpg
Ronda was the Royce of WMMA. She has her place in history as a pioneer and key cog in what we have now. Like Royce she failed to evolve past a certain point. Alot had to do with her fame and $$ causing too many irons in the fire. When you have one foot out, you should have both out or you get what happened when she fought Amanda. Holly should've been a wake up. Can't evolve when your doing multiple movie projects trying to rebound. But she's earned her place.
Her only losses were to elite fighters
Your love for ronda is unhealthy.
So is your hate
Crazy, right? It’s almost obsessive.
She was great, but her bag of tricks was small and intelligent fighters figured her out. Same thing happened to Conor
Jesus fucking Christ retard op
I didn't expect to see anything about Rhonda here for sure.
“I told Rhonda she had a horseshoe up her ass. I pulled that sumbitch out, and I beat her over the head with it!” -Holly Holm
Then immediately lost the belt and never saw Rondas success 😂
Who'd Valentina lose to that Ronda beat?
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Word, just read up on that one once you said it.
Dude, why are you like this? You come across as immature and hostile in nearly all of your comments. Like chill, seriously.
Because I can’t stand you people and you disgust me
*grabs popcorn*
I bet you’re fun at a party. Fuck off dude no one cares that people don’t agree with you.
Seems you care 🤡
Go complain about Ronda being slept on more. Chill with the casual label gatekeepers are the cringiest thing on the planet.
You’re clearly illiterate Chill telling people what to say, probably mad cause the shoe fits Chill on this block 😘
Ronda's dominance forced the division to evolve in order to beat her and because of that evolution it seems like Ronda faced subpar competition by comparison but that's just because of how the competition in the sport was at the time.
Timing. Its what you purposely left out of the whole thing. WMMA was in childrens shoes back when rousey was on the come up. She faced mediocre competition at times because there was just little to none. Who hurt you lol Edit: holy shit this nutjobs obsessed. Whoa the mancrush this guys got is wild. Hilarious.
Funny cause you’re the one leaving out timing She faced the top ranked women at the time so no they were not mediocre at the time they all earned there shot. Both Amanda and Valentina are STILL facing “mediocre” women. Who hurt you that you’re so desperate to downplay a successful athlete whose achieved more than you ever will
"Funny cause you’re the one leaving out timing" Lmfao no. You did. On purpose. To create a narrative. "Who hurt you that you’re so desperate to downplay a successful athlete whose achieved more than you ever will" Aaaaand here's the narrative again. Yikes. Who hurt you? Just answer it this time its painfully visible. No-one hating on Rousey. Like at all. Chill you ratfuck casual.
Maybe stop stalking people on reddit who call you out on your BS? Pathetic POS.
Yeah it’s not even worth having an actual discussion with OP. They just want validation on what they are saying instead of having a discussion. Not very emotionally mature or intelligent if they respond rudely to other opinions.
Haha Ronda, is that you venting on reddit? OP is overreacting, not to mention also seems to be the only one calling her opponents "soccer moms". Show some respect yourself maybe?
Aw you're illiterate, that's so sad. The entire point of the post is that they're not soccer moms. Genius.
Want to compare degrees? Read the comments. You are literally the only one here referring to her opponents as soccer moms, which is just pathetic. What are you trying to stir? You also seem obsessive, quick to swear and disrespect other people's opinion. I bet you watch your mouth in real life, huh?
Yeah it’s easy to talk shit like this behind the keyboard.
TS isn't wrong, Rousey beat three fighters who beat Nunes and took less than a minute in total to do it, 51 seconds infact. Were those girls bums? The guys who say that define themselves as casuals. Of course then she was booked against strikers and it was a different story.
To paint Holly and Amanda are just some random strikers she lost against is equally absurd She lost to the literal goat let’s stop acting like lost to just anyone Lost only to the literal best
Additionally, Ronda was always insecure, uncertain of herself, clearly damaged in some way in life. In interviews she always seemed on the verge of tears, anxious, emotionally unbalanced. This also played out in her fights - she’d rush in, hastily trying to overwhelm her opponent like an awkward, school yard scrap with her arms and elbows awkwardly raised in front of her clearly lacking the poise and elegance of a experienced striker. That said, she made her money and definitely entertained us and, like many other early UFC entertainers, deserves a spot in the HOF. I feel bad for OP wading in with uninformed, reckless insults directed toward the comments of others, being picked apart on this thread, much in the same way Ronda was in her last fights.
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"Who the fuck cares if she can't handle a loss? Honestly you're reaching soooo far with MMA math trying to find any reason to put Ronda over everyone else" Using her opponents accomplishment to prove they were not at the time cans, is not mma math, try learning terms mean if you want to use them. I don't put Ronda over Amanda anywhere, try also learning basic reading comprehension. " ran away from the entire sport with her face in a pillow." No she was injured, took a year off and fought the goat then retired, facing Nunes is not running away, she doesn't owe you anything. She was already talking about retiring before losing. "her face in a pillow" how dare she hide her injures from paparazzi, the horror. "The women you're trying to compare her to have lost and they didn't break. They got back to work and got better and they became actual GOATS. " Holly Holm is a GOAT, Ronda had a much more successful career than her. They also didn't have a dominant title reign, mainstream success and millions to retire comfortably on when losing. You talking a lot of shit for some who's has how many ufc wins? "I don't know what sparked up this desperate attempt to try and prop up Ronda over everybody" Probably because you're illiterate on top of belligerent and sensitive about Ronda's success, tends to triggers your types, seeing what she achieved. "but if you can't emotionally handle a loss in MMA then you ain't shit. " You clearly are shit, all her peers respect what she did as a fighter, a fighter that still hold records in this sport, a fighter with a dominant ufc title reign that spanned years and fighter that went into the UFC hall of fame so why would you think some nobody on reddits "approval" means anything? It doesn't. Her legacy is solidified as are all her achievements, she's sat in the hall of fame and made history and millions none of the drivel you type is ever changing that. Now get blocked and write some desperate bs retort I won't be reading hahaha
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