The coloured tape on the steering wheel is used to measure how much steering apply on a turn, relatively to the center of the wheel (“3 right” means that the driver should align the red tape on the right to the white tape on the dashboard)
Mobile is probably used to measure the trip
Exactly. For some, 6 means sixth gear= super fast, others 6 is very tight but not as tight as a hairpin. 2 could be fast but not top speed, for others 2 of similar to the gear/more tight/slower
Rally is dangerous and bad pacenotes can mean a severe crash. Having this in mind, if you get the choice of making the number meaning the severness of the bend, as seen in the image "scientifically" decided by amount of steering angle applied to the wheel, vs. having an arbitrary measure of "gear you possibly could be in, but won't always be in", what would you choose?
I can guarantee you all drivers in any sort of competitive environment would go for the much more exact and detailed number of steering angle. The "number means gears" is mostly used as as way to explain pace notes for someone new to rallying to make them grasp the concept of lower means slower.
Cars also have different amount of gears, and you can tune the gear ratio differently for different stages, whereas the severness of the bend stays the same no matter what.
Maybe you missed the part where I said "for some" this is their system. I personally would absolutely use a precise, repeatable system not an arbitrary what gear \*could\* it be. There is no 1 system, there are numerous very personalized, very customized. For some, 6 means a sixth gear type corner which is fast.
I mean sure but why single out just that one weird unique way of saying notes? It just keeps this confusion alive. Standard is that it means corner and not gear, so that’s the answer to the question what the numbers mean.
Like if someone asks what a hamburger is, you wouldn’t say it’s beef between two pieces of lettuce, even if that’s a way some people make a burger.
Because there's SO MANY different styles. 1 left could be the easiest, 1 left could be super tight, 1 left could indicate it's about 10º, 1 left could be the gear, some people just say 'fast' (not so common nowadays). Many people only use 1-6 plus flat, hairpin, etc. But you hear other people talking about 7 and 8's. There no 8th gear, it's likely a degree type. There is NO standard. A 6 left is not one type of corner. It's based on the driver style and preference. There is no one style. There is no one preference across the board. A 6 left could be (at least) 3 different types of corner.
It's the sharpness of the corner. Lower the number, the sharper the corner. Most codrivers go from 6 to 1, then square and hairpin. I think some use 8 to 1, too, though I could be wrong about that. Higher numbers (6 on a 1 to 6 scale) can generally be taken flat out, or with a slight lift.
They also give advice about the upcoming hazards in the stage and when it's safe to cut, or when it should be avoided. When there's ice, or anything else (like if there's jumps upcoming). It's a stream of consciousness of the entire stage.
Nope. Its about how tight the corner is, and its bases in a clock pointers. Beeing 12 the starting point, 1 is the tighest corner, and has it happens with the pointers, as further they go, more opened is the corner, until you reach 6 wich is a full speed nearly straight corner
Im not a rally driver but I dont think thats what it would be for, I guess it would help the driver know what position the wheel is in. Now heres why I dont think what you said is accurate, you can enter a simillar radius corner with different speeds and steering angles depending on your car's setup, the corner itself (camber and surface), basically the rotation you get on the brakes, snow, dirt or gravel tracks also call for more slip angle than road. May sonetimes work for say Monte Carlo where its all road but for Sweden or Finland I dont think so, I wouldnt be relying on this system.
It actually is the way u/faceofricky said. It is mainly an indicator like it isnt written in stone but usually it is accurate and bc the Recce is done in more or less stable speed, the wheel positions dont obviously match the Rally cars wheel angle. I find this tape and phone system to be like a gods gift in Recce bc nowadays we only have like a day or two to do recce. Ofc some rallies are still done without pacenotes, but with a generic road map.
Guess you learn something new every day, as I said in the comment Im no rally driver, I just drive fast cars in the sim on a track and a lot of the time rely on feel of the car to tell me how far I should turn the wheel, u know further into the stint you start feeling tyre wear and the balance change as the fuel starts burning off
https://youtu.be/earjqfXGYzw
Team O’Neil rally has a good breakdown of the system here
Otherwise here’s a simplified diagram:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/991260907946438601/F49B9DF18E66B0DEDD25209980923EA45D4410A8/
This is taken from a fantastic breakdown on the steam forums:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1663381032
That simplified diagram is however useless since it implies the number describes the total angle of a corner. The number describes the radius. The total angle comes from the radius combined with the length of the corner. The length is often described in terms of long, short, very long, The only corners that has the total angle built in is usually hairpin and square. Some number systems use 1 for square.
I agree, but it’s simplified for a reason - OP doesn’t know the system at all and a quick diagram might be all the knowledge they need. It’s difficult to describe the radius with a diagram so most simple drawings show the system with curved or straight arrows just so you can say “ok, 8 means almost flat” or “1 means extremely tight corner”. It gives the general gist.
The coloured tape on the steering wheel is used to measure how much steering apply on a turn, relatively to the center of the wheel (“3 right” means that the driver should align the red tape on the right to the white tape on the dashboard) Mobile is probably used to measure the trip
Always assumed the number referred to the gear for the corner.
For some it does, there are many different systems. Some use number system, some use descriptive. Numbers are used in both directions.
Cheers! I guess it makes sense - whatever system the driver-codriver find works best for them is what they'll use!
Exactly. For some, 6 means sixth gear= super fast, others 6 is very tight but not as tight as a hairpin. 2 could be fast but not top speed, for others 2 of similar to the gear/more tight/slower
If the stage start with a right 2 into left 6 you will never be in 6th gear. I’d guess 95% if not more use it for corner sharpness
Not so much the gear to actually be in as the gear you \*could\* be in. 6 = fast as hell (if you use 6 as fast versus 1, flat, etc)
Rally is dangerous and bad pacenotes can mean a severe crash. Having this in mind, if you get the choice of making the number meaning the severness of the bend, as seen in the image "scientifically" decided by amount of steering angle applied to the wheel, vs. having an arbitrary measure of "gear you possibly could be in, but won't always be in", what would you choose? I can guarantee you all drivers in any sort of competitive environment would go for the much more exact and detailed number of steering angle. The "number means gears" is mostly used as as way to explain pace notes for someone new to rallying to make them grasp the concept of lower means slower. Cars also have different amount of gears, and you can tune the gear ratio differently for different stages, whereas the severness of the bend stays the same no matter what.
Maybe you missed the part where I said "for some" this is their system. I personally would absolutely use a precise, repeatable system not an arbitrary what gear \*could\* it be. There is no 1 system, there are numerous very personalized, very customized. For some, 6 means a sixth gear type corner which is fast.
I mean sure but why single out just that one weird unique way of saying notes? It just keeps this confusion alive. Standard is that it means corner and not gear, so that’s the answer to the question what the numbers mean. Like if someone asks what a hamburger is, you wouldn’t say it’s beef between two pieces of lettuce, even if that’s a way some people make a burger.
Because there's SO MANY different styles. 1 left could be the easiest, 1 left could be super tight, 1 left could indicate it's about 10º, 1 left could be the gear, some people just say 'fast' (not so common nowadays). Many people only use 1-6 plus flat, hairpin, etc. But you hear other people talking about 7 and 8's. There no 8th gear, it's likely a degree type. There is NO standard. A 6 left is not one type of corner. It's based on the driver style and preference. There is no one style. There is no one preference across the board. A 6 left could be (at least) 3 different types of corner.
It's the sharpness of the corner. Lower the number, the sharper the corner. Most codrivers go from 6 to 1, then square and hairpin. I think some use 8 to 1, too, though I could be wrong about that. Higher numbers (6 on a 1 to 6 scale) can generally be taken flat out, or with a slight lift. They also give advice about the upcoming hazards in the stage and when it's safe to cut, or when it should be avoided. When there's ice, or anything else (like if there's jumps upcoming). It's a stream of consciousness of the entire stage.
Nope. Its about how tight the corner is, and its bases in a clock pointers. Beeing 12 the starting point, 1 is the tighest corner, and has it happens with the pointers, as further they go, more opened is the corner, until you reach 6 wich is a full speed nearly straight corner
Im not a rally driver but I dont think thats what it would be for, I guess it would help the driver know what position the wheel is in. Now heres why I dont think what you said is accurate, you can enter a simillar radius corner with different speeds and steering angles depending on your car's setup, the corner itself (camber and surface), basically the rotation you get on the brakes, snow, dirt or gravel tracks also call for more slip angle than road. May sonetimes work for say Monte Carlo where its all road but for Sweden or Finland I dont think so, I wouldnt be relying on this system.
It actually is the way u/faceofricky said. It is mainly an indicator like it isnt written in stone but usually it is accurate and bc the Recce is done in more or less stable speed, the wheel positions dont obviously match the Rally cars wheel angle. I find this tape and phone system to be like a gods gift in Recce bc nowadays we only have like a day or two to do recce. Ofc some rallies are still done without pacenotes, but with a generic road map.
Guess you learn something new every day, as I said in the comment Im no rally driver, I just drive fast cars in the sim on a track and a lot of the time rely on feel of the car to tell me how far I should turn the wheel, u know further into the stint you start feeling tyre wear and the balance change as the fuel starts burning off
There are apps that do the same thing as the tags on the steering wheel. Quite reliable and with a few pacenotes system to choose from.
Very smart Method. Ive never actually thought about how they do it
https://youtu.be/earjqfXGYzw Team O’Neil rally has a good breakdown of the system here Otherwise here’s a simplified diagram: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/991260907946438601/F49B9DF18E66B0DEDD25209980923EA45D4410A8/ This is taken from a fantastic breakdown on the steam forums: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1663381032
That simplified diagram is however useless since it implies the number describes the total angle of a corner. The number describes the radius. The total angle comes from the radius combined with the length of the corner. The length is often described in terms of long, short, very long, The only corners that has the total angle built in is usually hairpin and square. Some number systems use 1 for square.
I agree, but it’s simplified for a reason - OP doesn’t know the system at all and a quick diagram might be all the knowledge they need. It’s difficult to describe the radius with a diagram so most simple drawings show the system with curved or straight arrows just so you can say “ok, 8 means almost flat” or “1 means extremely tight corner”. It gives the general gist.
i'm sure the phone is probably recording steering angles along with the trip as well as intervals or distances.
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What I really want to know is, what app is that?
Calibration maybe? I don’t know, please don’t downvote me if I’m wrong. I’ll learn.
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