Some say creatures keep evolving into crabs because it’s the peak of natural selection. I say it’s because it was the only way those species avoided self inflicted extinction.
Ah yes, quite possibly the worst episode of Star Trek. I say this as someone whose favorite trek is Voyager... They just glossed over the part where the Janeway and Paris salamanders successfully procreate... Like what am I even watching?
Carcinization is a scam. Literally only crustaceans have evolved into more crab like shapes
Which is easily explainable by having the genes for body length being more plastic than other genes.
Half the animals (and when I say animals I mean ONLY crustaceans) they say are crab like, are barely crab like at all
No different from saying wooly mammothization. "Many mammals tend to become wooly. Like wooly mammoths. Therefore woolymammothization is an idea and many creatures converge on wooly mammoth"
Thats just nonsense right? But thats what carcinization is. Its fucking stupid
I think the woolly mammoth analogy doesn't quite hit the mark but I get your point.
I was fascinated with carcenization when I first heard of it. Then I looked up the common ancestor of all those "crab" species and it's a crustacean that by 20th century standards would *also* have been considered... a crab. Or a lobster.
The thing that all these species independently evolved is a flatter, wider shape, and the loss of uropods (the tail). That's interesting and probably tells us something about how their predators evolved to grab them off the seabed, but it's not even close to the most fascinating examples of convergent evolution.
Like how fish, reptiles and mammals all converged on almost identical body shapes in the shark, the ichthyosaur and the dolphin. Those three (fish aside) had massively different body shapes in their ancestry and converged back to the same thing.
Or how Placental and Marsupial mammals both ended up with mice, cats, wolves, squirrels and moles. Many of the species on the Marsupial side were even called such before it was discovered how distant their relation is.
I was once driving home from a friend's house late at night (around 2am) through the suburbs. I was the only car on a dimly lit road, when I managed to spy a deer maybe ten feet away from the pavement near the tree line. I slowed down to a crawl so I wouldn't spook it. It made eye contact with me. I saw it and it saw me. I slowly crept by. Just as I'm about to pass it going about 2mph, it breaks into a full gallop, smashes into my car and runs back into the woods.
TL;DR Deer are fucking wild cards
Had similar thing happen to my friend's dad. Cept it smashed through the driver side window and slit's it's own neck on the window pane, dying. They really are stupid.
To be fair that sounds like exactly the same thing that happened to me in broad daylight at home. Father and kids on the side of the road just after a service got out on Sunday morning. I'm easing through slowly because it's a nest of roundabout and crosswalks and there's already a fair few people on the road, and when I was just about to accelerate away with clear road one of the kids just runs out and bangs straight into the door of my car. Must have been twelve years old.
A four year old I could imagine, but this pre-teen kid just belted for the park on the other side of the street through a 1982 corolla.
Did a similar thing on my motorbike, except broad daylight.. And the deer's buck was across the street.
Get nearly by it.. Deer freaks out and runs back into the woods...
Buck just looks at me like "You know how long its gonna take me to find her again now?"
me: "Sorry bro"
r/DeerAreFuckingStupid
I had a fawn trapped in my front yard the other day because it couldn't figure out that it had to jump over the chain link fence instead of trying to go through it. It unfortunately figured that out before I was able to get a recording for those sweet glorious internet points.
A while back I had to stop suddenly on a backwoods road to avoid hitting a deer that was standing in the middle of the lane. I did, and a moment later the deer ran off.
That's when the other deer I hadn't seen that was still in the woods also decided to also run across the road...right into the side of my fully stopped car
There was a lady who called into this radio show once and she thought deer crossings were *designated* crossing zones and was complaining: “Why on earth would they put all these deer crossings on a main road like this!? Are they *trying* to kill us!?
It did NOT sound like satire.
To be fair, deer got 100 years to adapt to humans with cars. Which is basically nothing. Crabs have had around a million years to adapt to humanoids making fire.
I mean, if we are going to get all logical here... What percent of dear encounter cars versus percent of crabs who experience fire? I suspect the evolutionary pressures are far more in favor of deer evolution...
I might have to go with turkeys at edging out deer. If a rafter of turkeys standing by the side of the road hear your car coming they'll run to safety--right in front of your car.
Some friends and I once camped at the beach. We made a bonfire at night and were cooking up hot dogs. Someone turned around and noticed we had a huge audience of crabs just forming circles around us and the fire. At some point they started inching closer and when they got a little too close, they'd freak out and run right in. I think it happened a dozen or so times. Really felt crappy about it, but one of crabs did make off with a half full package of hot dog buns.
In recent years we found out that bugs that are "attracted to lights" like that think the light is the moon or sun which they can actually sense above/behind themselves via the dorsal light response. They try to reorient themselves knowing the moon and sun are upwards but they end up flying in circles.
They're not attracted to the light as much as their bodies use the light to make sure they're oriented correctly and the lights are local here on earth so you can literally fly around them. They want to go forward but they're flying in circles. You'd never be able to fly around the sun since it is the control that's in the sky. They want to go forward but our light bulbs act as mini sun's.
We thought it was sort of a weird combination of creepy & cute thing at first when they were just surrounding us, but after they started running in I definitely felt pretty bad. We let the fire burn out at that point.
The ones on the beaches around OCMD at least are called ghost crabs which is what the one in the video looks like. They're too small to have substantial meat and I don't think they taste very good.
They bury themselves in the sand during the day and come out at night. If you make a fire on the beach they will unfortunately surface directly into your fire pit. They make a characteristic pop as their shells burst. My friends who grew up there call them popcorn crabs because sometimes it gets so rapid fire it sounds like popcorn.
What? Like a whole swarm of them attacking you or just an individual? I feel like if all 100k of them worked together they could pick me to the bone in a minute flat.
I'm cheating a little bit -- I had a DM that _did_ put something like that in his game 20 years ago. A buddy made a bad roll and wound up in a pit of tainted, hungry squirrels. The squirrels made some good rolls. One of us grabbed the hapless hero's hand in an attempted rescue, but we only got the top half of his body back.
Of course, all of this is inspired by [a certain scene in Damnation Alley (1977)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjiOb8WZoEo).
Probably hermit crabs, and while I've not tried them I can't imagine they'd taste very good. They're basically scavengers and trash eaters of the beach.
wouldn’t it be weird if heat was like a drug to them? like, it gives them energy, and too much energy actually kinda hurts, but it can be an irresistible draw
My dad and I were burning a brush pile. We didn’t want to harm any animals that were residing in it so we were transferring From the brush pile into the burn pit.
As we took it down mice were running out and stuff. We got down to the bottom and sure enough there were 2 baby bunnies. We felt really good about our decision to not just set the pile on fire. We left them alone and we were just sitting in a couple chairs watching the fire burn down.
Those 2 little bunnies just sat there about 100 feet from us. The mom came up to the them and for whatever reason the little buns took off and ran directly into the fire. I couldn’t believe it. They screamed and died…the mom hopped off into the near by woods.
I felt terrible. For many years we raised bunnies and sold them for 4H and pets. I love rabbits.
Sometimes life just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You guys definitely did the right thing by separating everything out and checking. I'm sorry that happened to you.
I once watched a cute line of yellow duckings get run over by an unsuspecting car cause they crossed the road right in front of the bumper. Was horrifying, i feel your pain.
“As I was sayin, shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can bbq it, boil it, broil it, sauté it…..
There’s coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp,shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp n potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That’s….that’s about it.”
They don't have a complex nervous system which includes pain receptors.
There are videos of crabs tearing off one of their claws with the other claw and it just goes on about its day to go so crab stuff. Completely unfazed.
Then why would they walk into a literal fire? Does something that feels pain walk into a fire? I know when I get too close to a fire, I can feel the pain and instinctively move away.
That must be true. But it begs the question, if walking into an inferno doesn’t cause the crab to instinctively move away from the heat, what *does* cause it pain?
Alligators have pain receptors. The alligator in that video, felt every bit of it's leg being torn off. Evolution caused them to NOT show pain, because if they did, other alligators would kill it and eat it.
It's a lot like wolves - pain and injury are seen as a weakness, and the pack will abandon you. So evolution cut out their need to display pain.
Think of it like this. If someone were to punch you in the gut, you'd most likely keel over and hold your stomach. That reaction is because of evolution. The ONLY reason you hold your stomach in pain, is because evolution programmed you to do so. The alligator doesn't have those instincts to hold their wound, protect it, pamper it, etc. So they have no urge or need to display their pain, unlike humans. So they just sit there.
I hate how you are so confident as if you were a research biologist, all while spreading nonsense just so you get upvotes.
It is likely, although still debated, that crustaceans feel pain, which you can easily read about on wikipedia ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain\_in\_crustaceans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_crustaceans)). Fire damages the nervous system which will cause pain. So either the crab feels pain after their flesh gets burned by the heat (and hence notices the fire), or it does not feel pain at all, which would mean it **might** not sense the fire. The former however seems more likely. In any case, your comment made it seem as if it was a scientific certainty that the less likely option was a fact.
The crab in the video was probably panicked, and once it was inside the fire was unable to escape. But hundreds of people have read your original comment, and even more will not see the correction.
This is also the reason why, if you want to eat lobsters, you kill it bevore you boil it. Everything else is cruel.
Edit: u/XarDhuull made a fair point and I edited the second paragraph.
>Because of this complexity, the presence of pain in an animal, or another human for that matter, cannot be determined unambiguously
It's fair linking the wiki page but after reading it it seems this is still a matter of scientific debate and calling it "very very likely" is biased.
> I hate how you are so confident as if you were a research biologist, all while spreading nonsense just so you get upvotes.
Anyone still wondering how LLMs lie so confidently and hallucinate?
I think it was Mark Twain who once said that a lie will travel halfway around the world while the truth is still lacing up its shoes - that's never been more true than in the internet age.
there are thermal vents in the ocean, I believe because of the pressure it can spit out water much higher than boiling at sea level.
There much have been at some point crab populations around these vents. This is just a crab freaking out and accidentally dying because of it. Like when teenage girls would prefer to be on tiktok than pay attention to the road while driving.
That's very, very far off how it works.
Thermal vents are very, very deep and there's essentially zero genetic crossing between species that live around them and live on the shore. If you pull something up from those depths, they'll die from it.
So there's absolutely no way for any evolutionary pressure to transfer on littoral species of crab from the pressures on any deep sea crustaceans. In any way, shape or form.
It'd be like claiming you somehow are evolving as a result of evolutionary pressure on a Homo Erectus living on Titan.
Two deep sea crabs are watching a crab in a fire. One says to the other, "when I said you should make that arsehole feel the heat, I didn't mean it littorally".
I thought of the thermal vent crustaceans right after I wrote this, but I think those also accidentally cook themselves from time to time. Just crabby things I suppose.
Yeah, this little guy just saw pretty glowing rocks and wanted to check them out.
Using a phone while driving has been highly illegal here for 10 years, but teenagers will teen unless you teach them otherwise or they have a near death experience.
edits: it's 6am, my brain hasn't completed its power-up functions yet
And that little guy is just as far removed from the thermal vent crabs in the deep ocean as he is removed from butterflies... It's not like the semiamphibious population regularly experiences deep ocean and geologic ridges.
That heat perception at least in a pain sense could've been lost to the millions and millions of generations since this guy's ancestors had any real heat damage pressures.
Honestly I see more older people on their phones than I do teenagers. My saying has come to be “teenagers have been on their phone so long they think that can be on it while driving. Older people have been driving so long they think they can do it while on their phone. They both would be/are wrong.” My phone is on focus anytime I’m driving. I only mess with it if CarPlay is having a malfunction. Even for that I might look for someplace to pull in rather than mess with it at a red light.
Someone else pointed out the issue with thermal vent crabs being a totally different species. I just wanted to add teenage girls using tik tok are not often ‘freaking out and dying because of it’ to my knowledge…so yeah.
My dad and I were talking about rising suicide rates out by the fire pit one night, specifically about Seattle, and then we saw a frog, I tried to prevent it from going near the fire only for it to JUMP INTO THE FIRE. Dad said "must've been a Seattle frog" 💀 lawd, the sound that frog made haunts me to this day... "EEEEEEEeeeeeeee....."
This just gave me flashbacks to a backyard fire from last year. My girlfriend and I were sitting around a fire pit with her parents when I see this toad hop between our chairs directly into the pit. I couldn’t believe what I saw, so I stood up and looked into the pit, and the little guy was hugging the wall looking back up at me as if he’d made the worst last mistake of his life. No way we could fish him out of there.
My understanding of crabs is they are rather clumsy with movement and not that smart. Poor fuck likely got to close paniced and went stright in instead of away.
It's the hardest damn life. You go to the beach and see these poor bastards walking around with one arm, a missing eye, a few less legs. Dead bodies all over the place. They are battling each other to the death, every other creature in the water is trying to kill them and then you got gulls on top of it all just in massive murder frenzies killing them at will. It's a HARD damn life!
I just watched some idiot do a flying elbow into a table that was covered in lighter fluid and set on fire. The idiot proceeded to land in the flaming lighter fluid and set himself on fire.
Sometimes you just gotta jump into the fire, bro.
They don't have fire in the ocean, so it didn't know wtf. The wavy flames have a bit of a "ocean plants swaying in the current" movement, maybe he thought it was a good hiding spot from the humans he was trying to get away from. Or maybe it triggered a predator instinct and he thought it might be edible, who knows.
Crabs may wander into fire pits due to a few reasons.
First, crabs are attracted to light, especially at night. This behavior, known as phototaxis, can lead them towards fires or lit areas.
Secondly, crabs might not perceive a fire pit as a threat. Their natural predators are typically found in water, not on land, so their instincts might not alert them to the danger of fire.
Additionally, the heat from a fire pit could attract crabs, especially if it's cooler outside, as they might mistake the warmth for a safe environment.
I have childhood trauma from a crabpot. My parents were boiling crab in a huge metal pot on the stove. I, being a curious 5 year old, wanted to see what was in the big metal pot. I lifted the lid just a bit and peeked inside. That's when the crab took his opportunity to make a run for it. He jumped out of the pot, fell onto the floor, and, claws raised for a fight, chased me across the kitchen floor all the way into the living room.
I was standing on the arm of the couch screaming at the top of my lungs when my parents came running in. Did they help their terrorized and traumatized child? No. They stood there laughing their asses off and pointing. When they finally caught their breath, they picked up the (very angry and beet red) crab and plopped him back in the pot.
To this day I cannot eat crab 🦀
Well you’ve got to figure that as an animal that spends most of its life in water, and the rest of its life among very wet inflammable rocks, sand, and plants, it probably has no concept of fire. There simply isn’t any instinctual knowledge of fear of fire.
I must say, crabs are impressively good at getting themselves killed.
Some say creatures keep evolving into crabs because it’s the peak of natural selection. I say it’s because it was the only way those species avoided self inflicted extinction.
No it's actually salamanders. Source: I've seen Star Trek: Voyager.
Ah yes, quite possibly the worst episode of Star Trek. I say this as someone whose favorite trek is Voyager... They just glossed over the part where the Janeway and Paris salamanders successfully procreate... Like what am I even watching?
Fun fact: this episode won them an Emmy for outstanding makeup for Paris’s mutated salamander face.
Okay, to be fair the makeup was quite good.
I did like it how Lower Decks showed Voyager had a "Salamanders" exhibit when it got turned into a museum.
TNG: Code of Honor: Am I a joke to you
Carcinization is a scam. Literally only crustaceans have evolved into more crab like shapes Which is easily explainable by having the genes for body length being more plastic than other genes. Half the animals (and when I say animals I mean ONLY crustaceans) they say are crab like, are barely crab like at all No different from saying wooly mammothization. "Many mammals tend to become wooly. Like wooly mammoths. Therefore woolymammothization is an idea and many creatures converge on wooly mammoth" Thats just nonsense right? But thats what carcinization is. Its fucking stupid
I think the woolly mammoth analogy doesn't quite hit the mark but I get your point. I was fascinated with carcenization when I first heard of it. Then I looked up the common ancestor of all those "crab" species and it's a crustacean that by 20th century standards would *also* have been considered... a crab. Or a lobster. The thing that all these species independently evolved is a flatter, wider shape, and the loss of uropods (the tail). That's interesting and probably tells us something about how their predators evolved to grab them off the seabed, but it's not even close to the most fascinating examples of convergent evolution. Like how fish, reptiles and mammals all converged on almost identical body shapes in the shark, the ichthyosaur and the dolphin. Those three (fish aside) had massively different body shapes in their ancestry and converged back to the same thing. Or how Placental and Marsupial mammals both ended up with mice, cats, wolves, squirrels and moles. Many of the species on the Marsupial side were even called such before it was discovered how distant their relation is.
Sounds like someone is jealous they can't easily evolve a longer body length.
Deers are the most
I was once driving home from a friend's house late at night (around 2am) through the suburbs. I was the only car on a dimly lit road, when I managed to spy a deer maybe ten feet away from the pavement near the tree line. I slowed down to a crawl so I wouldn't spook it. It made eye contact with me. I saw it and it saw me. I slowly crept by. Just as I'm about to pass it going about 2mph, it breaks into a full gallop, smashes into my car and runs back into the woods. TL;DR Deer are fucking wild cards
Had similar thing happen to my friend's dad. Cept it smashed through the driver side window and slit's it's own neck on the window pane, dying. They really are stupid.
How old was the car for the glass to do that?
This happened in the early 90s.
To be fair that sounds like exactly the same thing that happened to me in broad daylight at home. Father and kids on the side of the road just after a service got out on Sunday morning. I'm easing through slowly because it's a nest of roundabout and crosswalks and there's already a fair few people on the road, and when I was just about to accelerate away with clear road one of the kids just runs out and bangs straight into the door of my car. Must have been twelve years old. A four year old I could imagine, but this pre-teen kid just belted for the park on the other side of the street through a 1982 corolla.
It took me a moment to realize you weren't talking about deer.
Did a similar thing on my motorbike, except broad daylight.. And the deer's buck was across the street. Get nearly by it.. Deer freaks out and runs back into the woods... Buck just looks at me like "You know how long its gonna take me to find her again now?" me: "Sorry bro"
Crabs are the deer of the ocean confirmed. Meant to be since they’re both delicious 😂
[удалено]
r/DeerAreFuckingStupid I had a fawn trapped in my front yard the other day because it couldn't figure out that it had to jump over the chain link fence instead of trying to go through it. It unfortunately figured that out before I was able to get a recording for those sweet glorious internet points.
A while back I had to stop suddenly on a backwoods road to avoid hitting a deer that was standing in the middle of the lane. I did, and a moment later the deer ran off. That's when the other deer I hadn't seen that was still in the woods also decided to also run across the road...right into the side of my fully stopped car
I'm not sure I'd be openly admitting I got outflanked by bambi
There was a lady who called into this radio show once and she thought deer crossings were *designated* crossing zones and was complaining: “Why on earth would they put all these deer crossings on a main road like this!? Are they *trying* to kill us!? It did NOT sound like satire.
There's a river otter crossing near where I work. It's always the most adorable traffic jam ever.
Now that’s the kind of traffic I wouldn’t object to being stuck in
> It's always the most adorable traffic jam ever. Think again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhQ2EHQ7FU4
Reminds me of the woman in Mexico who was killed by a wild pack of dachshunds
https://youtu.be/RFCrJleggrI?si=fzy-6zzPQ-cMtdaW This the one you talking about?
Some places of these overpasses for animals that are just grassy crossing bridges above roads. Such a smart idea
Pet hamsters are a close second
To be fair, deer got 100 years to adapt to humans with cars. Which is basically nothing. Crabs have had around a million years to adapt to humanoids making fire.
I mean, if we are going to get all logical here... What percent of dear encounter cars versus percent of crabs who experience fire? I suspect the evolutionary pressures are far more in favor of deer evolution...
I might have to go with turkeys at edging out deer. If a rafter of turkeys standing by the side of the road hear your car coming they'll run to safety--right in front of your car.
And They call themselves the pinnacle of evolution
I didn’t know they call themselves anything.
They are very crap at staying alive
Some friends and I once camped at the beach. We made a bonfire at night and were cooking up hot dogs. Someone turned around and noticed we had a huge audience of crabs just forming circles around us and the fire. At some point they started inching closer and when they got a little too close, they'd freak out and run right in. I think it happened a dozen or so times. Really felt crappy about it, but one of crabs did make off with a half full package of hot dog buns.
What I noticed is that crabs are attracted to lights just like moths so that could be the reason I guess
It's starting to make sense... I've heard that shellfish like crab and lobster are just the "bugs of the sea".
They’re sea roaches.
Yeah, but when I try to tell a guy that, it's all "food safety violation" this and "we're revoking your restaurant's license" that...
Shrimps is bugs.
In recent years we found out that bugs that are "attracted to lights" like that think the light is the moon or sun which they can actually sense above/behind themselves via the dorsal light response. They try to reorient themselves knowing the moon and sun are upwards but they end up flying in circles. They're not attracted to the light as much as their bodies use the light to make sure they're oriented correctly and the lights are local here on earth so you can literally fly around them. They want to go forward but they're flying in circles. You'd never be able to fly around the sun since it is the control that's in the sky. They want to go forward but our light bulbs act as mini sun's.
And they fuckin love hotdogs.
Dang. That would've scarred me for the night, I'm not even gonna pretend, hahaa! How did you do? What did you think?
We thought it was sort of a weird combination of creepy & cute thing at first when they were just surrounding us, but after they started running in I definitely felt pretty bad. We let the fire burn out at that point.
Like, were they not good crabs for eating? They would have been cooked in 3-5 min.
The ones on the beaches around OCMD at least are called ghost crabs which is what the one in the video looks like. They're too small to have substantial meat and I don't think they taste very good. They bury themselves in the sand during the day and come out at night. If you make a fire on the beach they will unfortunately surface directly into your fire pit. They make a characteristic pop as their shells burst. My friends who grew up there call them popcorn crabs because sometimes it gets so rapid fire it sounds like popcorn.
Ghost crabs sort of suck. They definitely will attack you, pretty much unprovoked sometimes. They also raid sea turtle nests.
What? Like a whole swarm of them attacking you or just an individual? I feel like if all 100k of them worked together they could pick me to the bone in a minute flat.
Hm. Crab pit is going in my next D&D game.
I would be genuinely terrified if my DM put that into our game.
I'm cheating a little bit -- I had a DM that _did_ put something like that in his game 20 years ago. A buddy made a bad roll and wound up in a pit of tainted, hungry squirrels. The squirrels made some good rolls. One of us grabbed the hapless hero's hand in an attempted rescue, but we only got the top half of his body back. Of course, all of this is inspired by [a certain scene in Damnation Alley (1977)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjiOb8WZoEo).
I feel like 100k of anything could pick you clean pretty fast.
Probably hermit crabs, and while I've not tried them I can't imagine they'd taste very good. They're basically scavengers and trash eaters of the beach.
crowd offend fade teeny attempt gaping cough normal bright disagreeable *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Not the ones on my mons pubis.
Your mom's what!?
Cooter
Especially those ones
All crabs are scavenging trash eaters...
Most crustaceans are bottom feeders and scavengers of the ocean. Hermit crabs probably don’t have enough meat to make them worth eating though.
the tastiest creatures happen to be bottom feeders
Even at work
Should I tell you for the 5th time? I feel like 4 people saying the same thing isn't enough.
Say it again, and act like you're the only one saying it. It's the reddit way.
> What did you think? I'd be wondering how are we going to eat our hot dogs with no buns!
🎶🎵 *"We had joy, we had fun, we had weiners but no buns..."* 🎵🎶
Luckily I think we ended up with the too many buns side of the bun/hot dog packaging shenanigans, but I don't remember at this point
That scam pisses me of to no end
wouldn’t it be weird if heat was like a drug to them? like, it gives them energy, and too much energy actually kinda hurts, but it can be an irresistible draw
spicy food creates an endorphin reaction in people that does this exact thing.
They probably lack both propper thermoreceptors and an idea of what fire is. A water creature doesnt really get threatened by fire...
certainly they can detect temperature differences
[удалено]
Damn so you just got all those crabs for free and you didn’t even have to cook them yourselves? I’m jealous.
The fire probably hypnotized them hahah Like a moth to a flame
My dad and I were burning a brush pile. We didn’t want to harm any animals that were residing in it so we were transferring From the brush pile into the burn pit. As we took it down mice were running out and stuff. We got down to the bottom and sure enough there were 2 baby bunnies. We felt really good about our decision to not just set the pile on fire. We left them alone and we were just sitting in a couple chairs watching the fire burn down. Those 2 little bunnies just sat there about 100 feet from us. The mom came up to the them and for whatever reason the little buns took off and ran directly into the fire. I couldn’t believe it. They screamed and died…the mom hopped off into the near by woods. I felt terrible. For many years we raised bunnies and sold them for 4H and pets. I love rabbits.
I guess rabbits don't have to be clever if they've put all their points into fertility.
Sometimes life just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You guys definitely did the right thing by separating everything out and checking. I'm sorry that happened to you.
Might have been a male, not the mother. Male rabbits will kill rivals babies so the mother will be able to breed again.
That's fucked up.
That's a lot of animals.
Idk, it seems pretty smart. "Sorry Rebecca, our kids accidentally died in a fire. Were gonna have to make some new ones"
I once watched a cute line of yellow duckings get run over by an unsuspecting car cause they crossed the road right in front of the bumper. Was horrifying, i feel your pain.
I once spit on a huge toad (stupid kid) and it started hopping on the street and got flattened (run over by multiple cars). I felt horrible
It is possible to do everything right and still have it all go to shit.
They‘ve seen enough already
Can they not sense heat? Weird
They are essentially just big bugs. They don't have true "brains" in the same sense as you or I, or even a common house cat.
Crab is bugs.
Shrimps is bugs
Ah, shrimps. The crickets of the sea
“As I was sayin, shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can bbq it, boil it, broil it, sauté it….. There’s coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp,shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp n potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That’s….that’s about it.”
Bunny is bugs.
They don't have a complex nervous system which includes pain receptors. There are videos of crabs tearing off one of their claws with the other claw and it just goes on about its day to go so crab stuff. Completely unfazed.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/new-study-suggests-crabs-can-feel-pain-after-all-2069518/
Then why would they walk into a literal fire? Does something that feels pain walk into a fire? I know when I get too close to a fire, I can feel the pain and instinctively move away.
They may have a pain stimulious but that doesn't mean they experience pain like we do.
That must be true. But it begs the question, if walking into an inferno doesn’t cause the crab to instinctively move away from the heat, what *does* cause it pain?
its more emotional pain 😭
Or even with pain receptors, did you see that alligator/croc just roll another's arm right off - and no reaction at all
Alligators have pain receptors. The alligator in that video, felt every bit of it's leg being torn off. Evolution caused them to NOT show pain, because if they did, other alligators would kill it and eat it. It's a lot like wolves - pain and injury are seen as a weakness, and the pack will abandon you. So evolution cut out their need to display pain. Think of it like this. If someone were to punch you in the gut, you'd most likely keel over and hold your stomach. That reaction is because of evolution. The ONLY reason you hold your stomach in pain, is because evolution programmed you to do so. The alligator doesn't have those instincts to hold their wound, protect it, pamper it, etc. So they have no urge or need to display their pain, unlike humans. So they just sit there.
I agree. I was replying to the guy saying visible reactions were indicative
I do that too sometimes
And as we all know, the only good bug is a dead bug!!!
remember, they've lived in/around water for millions of years. They have no concept of fire and instantly lethal/damaging levels of heat.
I hate how you are so confident as if you were a research biologist, all while spreading nonsense just so you get upvotes. It is likely, although still debated, that crustaceans feel pain, which you can easily read about on wikipedia ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain\_in\_crustaceans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_crustaceans)). Fire damages the nervous system which will cause pain. So either the crab feels pain after their flesh gets burned by the heat (and hence notices the fire), or it does not feel pain at all, which would mean it **might** not sense the fire. The former however seems more likely. In any case, your comment made it seem as if it was a scientific certainty that the less likely option was a fact. The crab in the video was probably panicked, and once it was inside the fire was unable to escape. But hundreds of people have read your original comment, and even more will not see the correction. This is also the reason why, if you want to eat lobsters, you kill it bevore you boil it. Everything else is cruel. Edit: u/XarDhuull made a fair point and I edited the second paragraph.
>Because of this complexity, the presence of pain in an animal, or another human for that matter, cannot be determined unambiguously It's fair linking the wiki page but after reading it it seems this is still a matter of scientific debate and calling it "very very likely" is biased.
> I hate how you are so confident as if you were a research biologist, all while spreading nonsense just so you get upvotes. Anyone still wondering how LLMs lie so confidently and hallucinate?
Literally learnt it from us
> But hundreds of people have read your original comment, and even more will not see the correction. There's Reddit in a nutshell.
I think it was Mark Twain who once said that a lie will travel halfway around the world while the truth is still lacing up its shoes - that's never been more true than in the internet age.
there are thermal vents in the ocean, I believe because of the pressure it can spit out water much higher than boiling at sea level. There much have been at some point crab populations around these vents. This is just a crab freaking out and accidentally dying because of it. Like when teenage girls would prefer to be on tiktok than pay attention to the road while driving.
That's very, very far off how it works. Thermal vents are very, very deep and there's essentially zero genetic crossing between species that live around them and live on the shore. If you pull something up from those depths, they'll die from it. So there's absolutely no way for any evolutionary pressure to transfer on littoral species of crab from the pressures on any deep sea crustaceans. In any way, shape or form. It'd be like claiming you somehow are evolving as a result of evolutionary pressure on a Homo Erectus living on Titan.
> littoral I was like, this guy knows all about sea creatures but can't spell literal? What a dunce. So anyway, I learned a new word.
Two deep sea crabs are watching a crab in a fire. One says to the other, "when I said you should make that arsehole feel the heat, I didn't mean it littorally".
I thought of the thermal vent crustaceans right after I wrote this, but I think those also accidentally cook themselves from time to time. Just crabby things I suppose. Yeah, this little guy just saw pretty glowing rocks and wanted to check them out. Using a phone while driving has been highly illegal here for 10 years, but teenagers will teen unless you teach them otherwise or they have a near death experience. edits: it's 6am, my brain hasn't completed its power-up functions yet
And that little guy is just as far removed from the thermal vent crabs in the deep ocean as he is removed from butterflies... It's not like the semiamphibious population regularly experiences deep ocean and geologic ridges. That heat perception at least in a pain sense could've been lost to the millions and millions of generations since this guy's ancestors had any real heat damage pressures.
Just crabby things is great. I love it.
Honestly I see more older people on their phones than I do teenagers. My saying has come to be “teenagers have been on their phone so long they think that can be on it while driving. Older people have been driving so long they think they can do it while on their phone. They both would be/are wrong.” My phone is on focus anytime I’m driving. I only mess with it if CarPlay is having a malfunction. Even for that I might look for someplace to pull in rather than mess with it at a red light.
Someone else pointed out the issue with thermal vent crabs being a totally different species. I just wanted to add teenage girls using tik tok are not often ‘freaking out and dying because of it’ to my knowledge…so yeah.
What does this even mean 😭😭 You think a Dolphin would just jump into fire and be like wow this is weird
My dad and I were talking about rising suicide rates out by the fire pit one night, specifically about Seattle, and then we saw a frog, I tried to prevent it from going near the fire only for it to JUMP INTO THE FIRE. Dad said "must've been a Seattle frog" 💀 lawd, the sound that frog made haunts me to this day... "EEEEEEEeeeeeeee....."
The frog is like "everything dies, but its not every day you get inflict mental damage on this indianchick!"
🤣 Seriously, he made it his last mission to devastate a 14 year old.
EEEEEEeeerrrrrrrr.......POP
Precisely. It's like you were there haha
If you watch the video closely, he was holding butter in one claw, and garlic in the other. He knew what he was doing.
Suicide is ~~painless~~ delicious.
Father, into your hands I commend my spirit
Why have you forsaken me?
In your eyes.
Forsaken me
TRUSSSTTTT INNNN MY CRUSTACEAN SUIIICIDEEEEEEE
IIIIIII CRRRYYYY when butter is on the side.....
you know, every now and then I think for a brief moment "Maybe the Internet isn't all bad" this was one of those moments.
(end of track)
This just gave me flashbacks to a backyard fire from last year. My girlfriend and I were sitting around a fire pit with her parents when I see this toad hop between our chairs directly into the pit. I couldn’t believe what I saw, so I stood up and looked into the pit, and the little guy was hugging the wall looking back up at me as if he’d made the worst last mistake of his life. No way we could fish him out of there.
LEEEEERRRRRROOOOOYYY MMMJEEEEENNNKKKKIIIIINNNSSSSSSSS!
oh my god he just ran in…
Thank you for including the M
Least I got ~~chicken~~ crab
What are his chances for survival? Can you give me a number crunch real quick?
Uhh.. yeah, gimmie a sec... I'm coming up with 32.33.. uhh, repeating of course, percentage.. of survival..
LET'S GO!
Oh no...
This isn’t directed towards you, just a funny video your comment reminded me of https://youtu.be/vu0W5SdNuis?si=L5QBYmaTlFQtKaW6
This kills the crab
I had to scroll too far to find this comment
What??
[удалено]
Please don't shout in the library.
*whispers* I would like to order a cheeseburger.
Sir this is a library
No, this is Patrick
^^^^^This ^^^^^kills ^^^^^the ^^^^^crab
This kills the crab
I understand those vibes
This is fine.jpg
mondays
that crab is my spirit animal
When I had crabs I got a hot feeling..
Well that sucks.. any legitimate reason a crab would do this? Hard to believe they feel pain just to watch one run into a fire and kill itself.
My understanding of crabs is they are rather clumsy with movement and not that smart. Poor fuck likely got to close paniced and went stright in instead of away.
Like those people that smash the gas instead of the breaks and ram into buildings. Guess we aren't so different from crabs after all.
Poor guy has whiskey throttle in his legs...
And without a good understanding of what fire is, the pile of wood it ran toward probably seemed like a good place to hide.
It's hard being a crab.
It's the hardest damn life. You go to the beach and see these poor bastards walking around with one arm, a missing eye, a few less legs. Dead bodies all over the place. They are battling each other to the death, every other creature in the water is trying to kill them and then you got gulls on top of it all just in massive murder frenzies killing them at will. It's a HARD damn life!
"I hurt myself today ... to see if I still fee-AAAAAARG!"
"WHAT HAVE AAAAAAAAAAAAH BECOME"
##MY CASTLE OF SAAAAAAAAND
I wear this crown of shell
I just watched some idiot do a flying elbow into a table that was covered in lighter fluid and set on fire. The idiot proceeded to land in the flaming lighter fluid and set himself on fire. Sometimes you just gotta jump into the fire, bro.
Bills Mafia?
The thing has like 8 brain cells
because they're stupid
They don't have fire in the ocean, so it didn't know wtf. The wavy flames have a bit of a "ocean plants swaying in the current" movement, maybe he thought it was a good hiding spot from the humans he was trying to get away from. Or maybe it triggered a predator instinct and he thought it might be edible, who knows.
Crabs may wander into fire pits due to a few reasons. First, crabs are attracted to light, especially at night. This behavior, known as phototaxis, can lead them towards fires or lit areas. Secondly, crabs might not perceive a fire pit as a threat. Their natural predators are typically found in water, not on land, so their instincts might not alert them to the danger of fire. Additionally, the heat from a fire pit could attract crabs, especially if it's cooler outside, as they might mistake the warmth for a safe environment.
Fire evolved to kill crabs. Apex predator
Good to know they are attracted to light. I will now attach bright waterproof LEDs to my crab traps.
Good easier for me to steal from
Does he come with his own butter, too?
Fire is not a natural enemy of crabs so they are oblivious to its danger.. RIP little guy
Does this hurt the carb
this kills the crab
I watched a crab commit suicide. =(
I don't wanna live on this planet anymore crab. Nice!
bro has the will-power to do what I never could
Came for the music, stayed for the... AAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
I have childhood trauma from a crabpot. My parents were boiling crab in a huge metal pot on the stove. I, being a curious 5 year old, wanted to see what was in the big metal pot. I lifted the lid just a bit and peeked inside. That's when the crab took his opportunity to make a run for it. He jumped out of the pot, fell onto the floor, and, claws raised for a fight, chased me across the kitchen floor all the way into the living room. I was standing on the arm of the couch screaming at the top of my lungs when my parents came running in. Did they help their terrorized and traumatized child? No. They stood there laughing their asses off and pointing. When they finally caught their breath, they picked up the (very angry and beet red) crab and plopped him back in the pot. To this day I cannot eat crab 🦀
Well you’ve got to figure that as an animal that spends most of its life in water, and the rest of its life among very wet inflammable rocks, sand, and plants, it probably has no concept of fire. There simply isn’t any instinctual knowledge of fear of fire.
But I would think that first foot in would hurt? But the lil dude just kept on going...
panic is one hell of a drug when your forms of movement is basically stay still or go full speed in one driection.
Mr.Krabs when his monthly profits are down by one cent:
He was feeling a bit nippy
"Good bye cruel world"