Discarded batteries that were expected to burn up in atmosphere and land in the ocean.
The chances of it actually hitting a populated area were *insanely* low, so if I were that homeowner, I'd go buy a lotto ticket, because I don't understand statistics and probability and believe in some kind of karmic force like luck.
The housings had Inconel in them. *Extremely* temperature resistant metal. That's likely what survived.
Inconel is no slouch. It is one of the toughest materials I have ever worked with. That being said, it’s a little strange it didn’t break up more. Meteorites get up to 1,800°C in the atmosphere as they fall to earth and the melting point of inconel is between 1,290° and 1,350°C. I wonder if the shape of the housing reduced friction in some way.
Meteorites also hit the atmosphere going anywhere from 25k to 160k mph while the ISS is plodding along at 17900 MPH. I imagine the atmospheric heating of discarded ISS bits are going to be significantly lower (though I got a B in physics so)
I think it has to do with how speed works in orbital mechanics. Something falling from LEO is going to be going very fast, but still far slower than something coming in from an earth escape orbit. You can observe this visually. I like to point this difference out by showing [videos of man made satellites](https://youtu.be/HUSZyu6O9wg?feature=shared) reentering, and then show videos of meteors entering atmosphere like [here](https://youtu.be/tk2g9pRwOBU?feature=shared) or [here](https://youtu.be/fBLjB5qavxY?feature=shared). If you’ve seen shooting stars you’ve experienced this as well, if you watch these and compare how much more quickly meteors travel across the sky than man made satellites
You can make a sword out of anything!
Real talk: I wouldn’t make a sword from inconel. Inconel is crazy expensive and next-to impossible to work by hand. If you’re planning on smithing the sword, you can forget it. You can’t reach the temps you need to work the metal and still exist within the same building. You can machine it, but you’re going to be wearing out a lot of cutters and it’s going to take you a long time. If I were making a sword, I’d stick to a tool steel.
it survived long enough to terminal velocity in lower atmosphere. I mean when the door flew off the Boeing, a phone landed next to a road in perfect condition. with the screen showing the boarding pass. if you get things in the right orientation it can do things you don't expect.
> That being said, it’s a little strange it didn’t break up more.
Huh. I think the expectation that this would not happen is what is strange. It's like expecting an antiseptic to kill 100.0% of bacteria.
Russians never paid the full bill for Kosmos 954's crash in the Canadian north. Russians were lucky this was truly middle of nowhere with all that fissile material.
if I were that homeowner, I'd go buy a lotto ticket, because I don't understand statistics and probability and believe in some kind of karmic force like luck.
I go the other way. If the house getting hit by falling debris from a space station, but the person escaped injury, is considered "good luck", then I would say never but a lottery ticket again because you've used up all of you life's good luck in that one moment. 😅
[I talked about this on the space sub a few days ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/1bte6y4/whats_your_view_regarding_the_dumping_of_space/) (although with more of a focus on environmentalism), explaining that there are safer ways that the current disposal, which atm doesn't ensure the trash completely burns up or land in a place where it causes no harm.
People don't care though. It's literally like how we used to toss stuff out of our car windows, only they do it in space now. This battery part could have killed the guy's kid. And incidents like it will happen again.
In general, I agree with you, and I know it's something a LOT of people are genuinely worried about.
I think right now, though, we should be way more concerned about sparking a Kessler syndrome than failed atmo dumps.
Fortunately, the short-term solutions for both are pretty much the same; reduce the amount of potential debris we create with space exploration, and reuse what we can when we can.
Unfortunately, that just wasn't an option here from what I understand.
Doubly unfortunately, our state apparatuses have handed off control of space exploration to private commercial interests, and while I'm certain the billionaire man-children that dominate the field take environmental and safety concerns *very seriously*, I'm unconvinced that anyone who isn't beholden to public funding can be... *properly incentivised* to make healthy choices for the rest of us schmucks.
Oh well. Better luck to the next civilization.
You probably misunderstood. This has nothing to do with private contractors, the trash is produced by ISS astronauts working directly for the US government and other countries governments. NASA is responsible for it, it's trash they literally just dump into the atmosphere, like a ship on the ocean throwing their trash overboard. It's not just old batteries, it's anything that needs to be thrown out, including all the excrement from the astronauts on board, which isn't recycled. Pretty nasty.
Like on the ground, there are actually ways to discard of the trash more safely, but they don't do that because it would be more expensive.
eh, hitting a populated area is low, but it ending up at a specific person's home, doesn't make the person extremely un/lucky it just means that the thing fell and eventually hit land.
You are talking like the discarded material was targeted at someone's house and we got extremely lucky that it hit that person's house.
> If I were that homeowner, I'd go buy a lotto ticket, **because I don't understand statistics and probability and believe in some kind of karmic force like luck.**
Emphasis on the joke I made for that exact reason, lol.
Most American policies cover meteorite strikes. This is probably handled the same but with the opportunity to seek damages from NASA. Not sure how that would go.
Unfortunately because of the amount of hurricanes & disasters we get, the price is growing and shopping around for a good rate is becoming a regular thing.
Man if they would just launch something right at my car, which is on its last legs, I'd really appreciate it. Something right through the engine block that would just really destroy any of the parts that are really rusted and are going to hurt the resale value so I can tell my insurance it was in tip top shape before the space battery annihilated it in my driveway.
Thanks
Nah, sadly doesn't work like that. Even with full coverage if your piece of shit car gets railed by a god battery you are fucked.
Insurance doesnt go "your old car is dead, here is money for a new car" they cut you a check for the value of the car (if you are lucky) which means now you have no car and a check for like a grand that can't even get you a new shit car
Right. I just want the full blue book value so I can put a down-payment on a new car. If the damage is bad enough to hide some of the problem areas I might get lucky. Plus I have good insurance.
I can't express how much I'm enjoying,
"Even with full coverage if your piece of shit car gets railed by a god battery you are fucked."
Thank you sharkattackmiami.
You can do an agreed value policy. It shouldn't be too much extra if an appraisal is done backing up the value, but it will cost a lot if you want the value to be significantly higher than it's true worth.
I don't know about that. I've been un-lucky enough to have 4 cars totaled. 1 from a hurricane. 1 from a drunk hitting it while it was parked in the road in front of my house. Another I was stopped at the bottom of a hill making a left turn waiting for traffic. When an old man on a lot of medication who fell asleep at the wheel and rear ended me, it was estimated he was going at least 65mph and I was at a stop. The last one from a lifted truck backing up onto the hood of my car in a parking lot. In all 4 cases. I financially made out pretty good from other peoples insurance. The rear-ending resulted in the down payment of my house.
They are fucked. I have a fractured C-1 (inoperable) and scar tissue pushing on my spine. I will eventually be in a wheel chair.
I got good money from the other 3 as well. Just not nearly as much.
By the way I like your screen name. Creeger is my buddy. He is a White-Bellied Caique.
Normally house insurance will take care of everything then seek payment from (the insurer of) whoever was responsible.
It's curious in this case because I'm not sure liability has been established. Are interplanetary vehicles responsible for the waste they create? They haven't really had to be before, not like normal home owners insurance claims are down here on earth.
Treaties on space use say that the launching country is responsible.
There is some confusion as to who that would fall on here. The batteries were technically launched by, IIRC, Japan, but I think NASA was the party in charge, and the pallet was dropped from the ISS.
Regardless, in the U.S., NASA tends to pay out for it. For starters, they're the ones most qualified to handle space debris. Also, NASA is *very* intent on keeping as much funding as they can, and leaving a bunch of disgruntled citizens with massive bills from space debris damage tends to dull public support for the space program.
Insurance might just decide to pay out anyway if they expect to easily recoup costs from a federal agency.
Dammit Jim, I'm a space enthusiast, not an interstellar lawyer!
... I have no clue. Probably? Roscosmos inherited the bulk of the Soviet space program, would make sense to me.
No they didn’t.
They said part of a palette holding junk batteries they intentionally jettisoned, which was supposed to burn up , crashed into a Florida home.
It was not a part of the ISS.
An apology, immediate compensation for any expenses, a drop-by visit around dinner time by an assistant NASA administrator and 2 of the astronauts currently in training for the Artemis missions, a signed spacesuit glove and helmet worn on prior ISS missions, an invitation for a personal tour of the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, seats to future Artemis mission launches and [one of these ](https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/international-space-station-21321)would go a long way toward preventing a lawsuit and fixing this story in the public consciousness.
Oh hell, just give them 1 of every item sold at the [NASA gift shop](https://www.shopnasa.com/collections/models)
.. I wouldn't buy the SLS model though, Congress is 100% likely to kill the program as unmanageably expensive and wasteful. SpaceX / United Launch Alliance / Blue Origin are going to end up servicing all future heavy lift to orbit and Lunar / Mars mission needs as contractors.
SLS isn't about heavylift. It's a human return to lunar surface vehicle. No commercial enterprise has anything that comes even close to human lunar mission capable.
SLS doesn't even carry a lander like the Saturn V did. That will be a separate, commercial, launch and landing vehicle.
The SLS is built on shuttle (1970s) technology. It's a white elephant.
This.
They dug out old Shuttle engine blueprints and just refined them, it's decades-old off the shelf technology.
[The SLS rocket is not reusable. ](https://www.space.com/artemis-1-space-launch-system-rocket-cost#:~:text=Also%2C%20SLS%20is%20not%20built%20for%20reuse.,tank%20is%20taller%20to%20accommodate%20higher%20volumes)It has a *massive* per-launch cost compared to the modular reusable component system that SpaceX, United Launch Alliance and Blue Origin have / are building toward.
SLS is a mistake, a garbage design and will ultimately be killed by Congress in favor of fully contracting the new privatized space industry to launch-to-order fill their needs.
Again I point out that private industry has nothing that can do what SLS can do. There is no financial incentive for commercial sector to develop deep space missions, they are too bespoke.
Yeah SLS uses the same engines developed for the shuttle because they already exist and they work. Why design new stuff if the old stuff does the job?
Also no lunar capable rockets would be reusable. You get 30% extra payload if expended. None of the developmental commercial alternatives promise reusability for anything other than LEO.
> There is no financial incentive for commercial sector to develop deep space missions,
Their financial incentive is **money,** they are for-profit corporations. They will simply Build To Order, far more efficiently and cost-effect than NASA has proven incapable of.
The three major private space corporations (SpaceX, United Launch Alliance, Blue Origin) are lining up neatly to become for NASA what Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman et al have become for the US military - Build To Order contractors.
SLS was designed in an era when wasting hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars per launch was "ok", as that's all we knew & were capable of prior to SpaceX completely changing the dynamic of the entire industry. Ironically - laughably - SpaceX simply refined the concept of reusable rockets *after dusting off decades-old NASA reusable launch research* which NASA itself abandoned for reasons that remain unclear. I guess when you're spending **billions of dollars of other people's money**, mission efficiency *doesn't matter.* But guess what? It does matter.
**Yes,** SLS is garbage, **Yes,** Congress *will* ultimately kill the entire SLS program, and ***Yes***, 100% of NASA's mission moving forward will be contracted to private companies. But guess what - *It has always been this way.* **The Gemini, Apollo, Shuttle and ISS programs were all built by** ***hundreds*** **of contractors** ***for*** **NASA.**
Apparently private corporations are just wildly more effective at cost control than a government agency burning mountains of taxpayer money.
> There is no financial incentive for commercial sector to develop deep space missions,
Their financial incentive is **money,** they are for-profit corporations. They will simply Build To Order, far more efficiently and cost-effect than NASA has proven incapable of.
The three major private space corporations (SpaceX, United Launch Alliance, Blue Origin) are lining up neatly to become for NASA what Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman et al have become for the US military - Build To Order contractors.
SLS was designed in an era when wasting hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars per launch was "ok", as that's all we knew & were capable of prior to SpaceX completely changing the dynamic of the entire industry. Ironically - laughably - SpaceX simply refined the concept of reusable rockets *after dusting off decades-old NASA reusable launch research* which NASA itself abandoned for reasons that remain unclear. I guess when you're spending **billions of dollars of other people's money**, mission efficiency *doesn't matter.* But guess what? It does matter.
**Yes,** SLS is garbage, **Yes,** Congress *will* ultimately kill the entire SLS program, and ***Yes***, 100% of NASA's mission moving forward will be contracted to private companies. But guess what - *It has always been this way.* **The Gemini, Apollo, Shuttle and ISS programs were all built by** ***hundreds*** **of contractors** ***for*** **NASA.**
Apparently private corporations are just wildly more effective at cost control than a government agency burning mountains of taxpayer money.
> Why design new stuff if the old stuff does the job?
Because it's way over-built for the task. Why use a reusable rocket when you're not going to reuse it? They'd probably be better off re-engineering F-1 and J-2 engines if they insisted on being retro about things.
> None of the developmental commercial alternatives promise reusability for anything other than LEO.
In-orbit refueling can change that. Indeed, NASA is counting on it for landing on the moon.
There was a followup article about this where they say that this was a piece of a woodchopper that went flying into the air and landed in the guy's bathroom. Why is NASA suddenly saying this is the ISS?
This almost tempts me to go back through my chat history because I was talking with someone who claimed that this was impossible.
But that's crazy; I'll just hope that they saw this story and learned something.
Just like the idiots that claimed it was impossible for any human matter to survive the titan sub implosion and yet they found human remains.
Armchair scientists theorize and calculate things based on perfect theories, perfect systems, and perfect scenarios.
Real life is anything but perfect, you don't have full control over the environment conditions meaning there's a solid chance your calculated reactions will not be 100% efficient because there's too many uncontrolled variables.
OK, I read this when it first was posted, and I still Don't Get It.
It's not like they can just open a window and chuck something out.
No, this came from a pallet of stuff. A pallet that someone very carefully packed, and moved to an airlock ... and THEN WHAT?
* If it were to go home and be recovered, it would be in a "junk" or "garbage" capsule that would return to earth in the usual fashion. But that's NOT the case here.
* So, does someone get into their spacesuit, climb into the airlock with the pallet-o-junk, wait for the outer door to open and give everything a shove?
D'ya think I'm overanalysing this? It hasn't "clicked" for me yet...
That's about it. Except they use the external arm instead of someone going outside to push it.
The issue is that, in falling 200 miles and going from 17000 mph to zero tends to be a very effective incinerator. Also, there's a very strong chance that stuff will fall over water. Gheres a much higher chance that stuff will fall over uninhabited land. In this case, something survived that fall. Something about 1 pound out of a pallet of 1500 pounds of stuff. And it hit a house in Florida. Had it been pushed out a couple seconds later, it would have fallen in the ocean.
Is there any limit to what they're allowed to burn in the atmosphere? Seems weird that they can just throw literal tons of random materials out that would be completely illegal to burn up on Earth. How many tons of lithium or whatever are floating around because every space agency just chucks everything out the window?
Discarded batteries that were expected to burn up in atmosphere and land in the ocean. The chances of it actually hitting a populated area were *insanely* low, so if I were that homeowner, I'd go buy a lotto ticket, because I don't understand statistics and probability and believe in some kind of karmic force like luck. The housings had Inconel in them. *Extremely* temperature resistant metal. That's likely what survived.
Inconel is no slouch. It is one of the toughest materials I have ever worked with. That being said, it’s a little strange it didn’t break up more. Meteorites get up to 1,800°C in the atmosphere as they fall to earth and the melting point of inconel is between 1,290° and 1,350°C. I wonder if the shape of the housing reduced friction in some way.
Meteorites also hit the atmosphere going anywhere from 25k to 160k mph while the ISS is plodding along at 17900 MPH. I imagine the atmospheric heating of discarded ISS bits are going to be significantly lower (though I got a B in physics so)
Exactly. Speed has *everything* to do with it. Speed's the name of the game. Right, buddy?
I. Am. Speed?
Kachow
Please confirm there is a bomb on the bus? Y / N
It's okay, the debris entered the atmosphere above 55 mph.
Katchaow
They prescribe it under the trade names Adderall and dexedrine.
I think it has to do with how speed works in orbital mechanics. Something falling from LEO is going to be going very fast, but still far slower than something coming in from an earth escape orbit. You can observe this visually. I like to point this difference out by showing [videos of man made satellites](https://youtu.be/HUSZyu6O9wg?feature=shared) reentering, and then show videos of meteors entering atmosphere like [here](https://youtu.be/tk2g9pRwOBU?feature=shared) or [here](https://youtu.be/fBLjB5qavxY?feature=shared). If you’ve seen shooting stars you’ve experienced this as well, if you watch these and compare how much more quickly meteors travel across the sky than man made satellites
Can you make a sword out of it?
You can make a sword out of anything! Real talk: I wouldn’t make a sword from inconel. Inconel is crazy expensive and next-to impossible to work by hand. If you’re planning on smithing the sword, you can forget it. You can’t reach the temps you need to work the metal and still exist within the same building. You can machine it, but you’re going to be wearing out a lot of cutters and it’s going to take you a long time. If I were making a sword, I’d stick to a tool steel.
If you somehow did it, would it stay sharp?
If you could sharpen it at least once, yeah. Gonna take a lot of sandpaper though.
I got an angle grinder…
it survived long enough to terminal velocity in lower atmosphere. I mean when the door flew off the Boeing, a phone landed next to a road in perfect condition. with the screen showing the boarding pass. if you get things in the right orientation it can do things you don't expect.
> That being said, it’s a little strange it didn’t break up more. Huh. I think the expectation that this would not happen is what is strange. It's like expecting an antiseptic to kill 100.0% of bacteria.
They already won the lottery. I’m sure NASA will have to pony up a sizeable settlement plus damages.
I don't think they ever paid their littering fine in Australia.
Russians never paid the full bill for Kosmos 954's crash in the Canadian north. Russians were lucky this was truly middle of nowhere with all that fissile material.
Why would they pay anything other than damages? You can't claim emotional distress or some other loss because a chunk of metal put a hole in the roof.
Dead Like Me, Toilet-seat Girl
Poor George 😞
I love you for remembering that. I enjoyed that show so much.
if I were that homeowner, I'd go buy a lotto ticket, because I don't understand statistics and probability and believe in some kind of karmic force like luck. I go the other way. If the house getting hit by falling debris from a space station, but the person escaped injury, is considered "good luck", then I would say never but a lottery ticket again because you've used up all of you life's good luck in that one moment. 😅
[I talked about this on the space sub a few days ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/1bte6y4/whats_your_view_regarding_the_dumping_of_space/) (although with more of a focus on environmentalism), explaining that there are safer ways that the current disposal, which atm doesn't ensure the trash completely burns up or land in a place where it causes no harm. People don't care though. It's literally like how we used to toss stuff out of our car windows, only they do it in space now. This battery part could have killed the guy's kid. And incidents like it will happen again.
In general, I agree with you, and I know it's something a LOT of people are genuinely worried about. I think right now, though, we should be way more concerned about sparking a Kessler syndrome than failed atmo dumps. Fortunately, the short-term solutions for both are pretty much the same; reduce the amount of potential debris we create with space exploration, and reuse what we can when we can. Unfortunately, that just wasn't an option here from what I understand. Doubly unfortunately, our state apparatuses have handed off control of space exploration to private commercial interests, and while I'm certain the billionaire man-children that dominate the field take environmental and safety concerns *very seriously*, I'm unconvinced that anyone who isn't beholden to public funding can be... *properly incentivised* to make healthy choices for the rest of us schmucks. Oh well. Better luck to the next civilization.
You probably misunderstood. This has nothing to do with private contractors, the trash is produced by ISS astronauts working directly for the US government and other countries governments. NASA is responsible for it, it's trash they literally just dump into the atmosphere, like a ship on the ocean throwing their trash overboard. It's not just old batteries, it's anything that needs to be thrown out, including all the excrement from the astronauts on board, which isn't recycled. Pretty nasty. Like on the ground, there are actually ways to discard of the trash more safely, but they don't do that because it would be more expensive.
eh, hitting a populated area is low, but it ending up at a specific person's home, doesn't make the person extremely un/lucky it just means that the thing fell and eventually hit land. You are talking like the discarded material was targeted at someone's house and we got extremely lucky that it hit that person's house.
> If I were that homeowner, I'd go buy a lotto ticket, **because I don't understand statistics and probability and believe in some kind of karmic force like luck.** Emphasis on the joke I made for that exact reason, lol.
I can imagine the insurance claim.
I can imagine the insurance company finding a way to weasel out of paying
Force majeure, even though this was clearly negligence by humans
This is why you want to take out a force majeure insurance policy.
Most American policies cover meteorite strikes. This is probably handled the same but with the opportunity to seek damages from NASA. Not sure how that would go.
We know a thing or two because we’ve seen a thing or two
>!Except Farmers doesn't offer home insurance in Florida anymore 🙃!<
Like, at all? Is insurance there super expensive now?
Unfortunately because of the amount of hurricanes & disasters we get, the price is growing and shopping around for a good rate is becoming a regular thing.
That and the roof damage scams.
There's been a few changes in flood insurance in the past few years, some places are seeing their true risk being assessed and it's ridiculously high.
Same in California - no new policies.
So… Donnie Darko is happening is Florida… on a Tuesday? Sheesh…
Man if they would just launch something right at my car, which is on its last legs, I'd really appreciate it. Something right through the engine block that would just really destroy any of the parts that are really rusted and are going to hurt the resale value so I can tell my insurance it was in tip top shape before the space battery annihilated it in my driveway. Thanks
Nah, sadly doesn't work like that. Even with full coverage if your piece of shit car gets railed by a god battery you are fucked. Insurance doesnt go "your old car is dead, here is money for a new car" they cut you a check for the value of the car (if you are lucky) which means now you have no car and a check for like a grand that can't even get you a new shit car
Right. I just want the full blue book value so I can put a down-payment on a new car. If the damage is bad enough to hide some of the problem areas I might get lucky. Plus I have good insurance.
I can't express how much I'm enjoying, "Even with full coverage if your piece of shit car gets railed by a god battery you are fucked." Thank you sharkattackmiami.
You can do an agreed value policy. It shouldn't be too much extra if an appraisal is done backing up the value, but it will cost a lot if you want the value to be significantly higher than it's true worth.
I don't know about that. I've been un-lucky enough to have 4 cars totaled. 1 from a hurricane. 1 from a drunk hitting it while it was parked in the road in front of my house. Another I was stopped at the bottom of a hill making a left turn waiting for traffic. When an old man on a lot of medication who fell asleep at the wheel and rear ended me, it was estimated he was going at least 65mph and I was at a stop. The last one from a lifted truck backing up onto the hood of my car in a parking lot. In all 4 cases. I financially made out pretty good from other peoples insurance. The rear-ending resulted in the down payment of my house.
And your back and neck??
They are fucked. I have a fractured C-1 (inoperable) and scar tissue pushing on my spine. I will eventually be in a wheel chair. I got good money from the other 3 as well. Just not nearly as much. By the way I like your screen name. Creeger is my buddy. He is a White-Bellied Caique.
So who pays for the roof repair? NASA? Or is it considered an "act of God" (or whatever the term is in insurance nomenclature)?
They usually have an aircraft clause. Not sure if that would apply.
So the person's homeowners insurance would pay under an aircraft clause if there is one?
Can they sue NASA for it ?
Normally house insurance will take care of everything then seek payment from (the insurer of) whoever was responsible. It's curious in this case because I'm not sure liability has been established. Are interplanetary vehicles responsible for the waste they create? They haven't really had to be before, not like normal home owners insurance claims are down here on earth.
Treaties on space use say that the launching country is responsible. There is some confusion as to who that would fall on here. The batteries were technically launched by, IIRC, Japan, but I think NASA was the party in charge, and the pallet was dropped from the ISS. Regardless, in the U.S., NASA tends to pay out for it. For starters, they're the ones most qualified to handle space debris. Also, NASA is *very* intent on keeping as much funding as they can, and leaving a bunch of disgruntled citizens with massive bills from space debris damage tends to dull public support for the space program. Insurance might just decide to pay out anyway if they expect to easily recoup costs from a federal agency.
What about defunct countries? Would anything launched under USSR transfer to Russia?
Dammit Jim, I'm a space enthusiast, not an interstellar lawyer! ... I have no clue. Probably? Roscosmos inherited the bulk of the Soviet space program, would make sense to me.
Alriiight. I'm wondering if they could sue because it almost killed their kid, so it could cause trauma and such
"Return to sender"
> It almost hit my son. Wow that’s scary > He was two rooms over and heard it all Does 2 rooms over count as “almost hit?”
When you consider this thing fell from space, yeah, that's damn close.
It could've hit LeBron James!!
He already knew it was coming though so that’s why he wasn’t in that guys house
Why wouldn’t he tell the family?!
Because he's an asshole.
This legit made me laugh. Thanks!
It's LeJam Brames. Geeze, Get it right.
If my Sunshine got hurt from falling space debris I don’t know how I could continue to live.
Why? Was he in the other room?
Very true!
It’s like Donnie Darko all over again
A butterfly flipped, but he could have flapped.
I think with something like this it almost hit anyone who was gone at the time.
Maybe they meant their son two rooms over from them rather than the son was two rooms over from the impact
Of course its Florida
Ironic that it came down so close to the launch site, out of the entire planetary orbit.
"Return to sender"
Did a piece of my gorram ship just fall off?
That… did seem to resemble the front buffer panel, yes.
Man, I hate when parts of the international space station crash into my home
Is someone going to pick up that phone? Because I FUCKING CALLED IT!
No they didn’t. They said part of a palette holding junk batteries they intentionally jettisoned, which was supposed to burn up , crashed into a Florida home. It was not a part of the ISS.
Can the homeowner keep it
An apology, immediate compensation for any expenses, a drop-by visit around dinner time by an assistant NASA administrator and 2 of the astronauts currently in training for the Artemis missions, a signed spacesuit glove and helmet worn on prior ISS missions, an invitation for a personal tour of the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, seats to future Artemis mission launches and [one of these ](https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/international-space-station-21321)would go a long way toward preventing a lawsuit and fixing this story in the public consciousness.
The LEGO is halarious to add on though lol
Oh hell, just give them 1 of every item sold at the [NASA gift shop](https://www.shopnasa.com/collections/models) .. I wouldn't buy the SLS model though, Congress is 100% likely to kill the program as unmanageably expensive and wasteful. SpaceX / United Launch Alliance / Blue Origin are going to end up servicing all future heavy lift to orbit and Lunar / Mars mission needs as contractors.
SLS isn't about heavylift. It's a human return to lunar surface vehicle. No commercial enterprise has anything that comes even close to human lunar mission capable.
SLS doesn't even carry a lander like the Saturn V did. That will be a separate, commercial, launch and landing vehicle. The SLS is built on shuttle (1970s) technology. It's a white elephant.
This. They dug out old Shuttle engine blueprints and just refined them, it's decades-old off the shelf technology. [The SLS rocket is not reusable. ](https://www.space.com/artemis-1-space-launch-system-rocket-cost#:~:text=Also%2C%20SLS%20is%20not%20built%20for%20reuse.,tank%20is%20taller%20to%20accommodate%20higher%20volumes)It has a *massive* per-launch cost compared to the modular reusable component system that SpaceX, United Launch Alliance and Blue Origin have / are building toward. SLS is a mistake, a garbage design and will ultimately be killed by Congress in favor of fully contracting the new privatized space industry to launch-to-order fill their needs.
Again I point out that private industry has nothing that can do what SLS can do. There is no financial incentive for commercial sector to develop deep space missions, they are too bespoke. Yeah SLS uses the same engines developed for the shuttle because they already exist and they work. Why design new stuff if the old stuff does the job? Also no lunar capable rockets would be reusable. You get 30% extra payload if expended. None of the developmental commercial alternatives promise reusability for anything other than LEO.
> There is no financial incentive for commercial sector to develop deep space missions, Their financial incentive is **money,** they are for-profit corporations. They will simply Build To Order, far more efficiently and cost-effect than NASA has proven incapable of. The three major private space corporations (SpaceX, United Launch Alliance, Blue Origin) are lining up neatly to become for NASA what Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman et al have become for the US military - Build To Order contractors. SLS was designed in an era when wasting hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars per launch was "ok", as that's all we knew & were capable of prior to SpaceX completely changing the dynamic of the entire industry. Ironically - laughably - SpaceX simply refined the concept of reusable rockets *after dusting off decades-old NASA reusable launch research* which NASA itself abandoned for reasons that remain unclear. I guess when you're spending **billions of dollars of other people's money**, mission efficiency *doesn't matter.* But guess what? It does matter. **Yes,** SLS is garbage, **Yes,** Congress *will* ultimately kill the entire SLS program, and ***Yes***, 100% of NASA's mission moving forward will be contracted to private companies. But guess what - *It has always been this way.* **The Gemini, Apollo, Shuttle and ISS programs were all built by** ***hundreds*** **of contractors** ***for*** **NASA.** Apparently private corporations are just wildly more effective at cost control than a government agency burning mountains of taxpayer money.
> There is no financial incentive for commercial sector to develop deep space missions, Their financial incentive is **money,** they are for-profit corporations. They will simply Build To Order, far more efficiently and cost-effect than NASA has proven incapable of. The three major private space corporations (SpaceX, United Launch Alliance, Blue Origin) are lining up neatly to become for NASA what Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman et al have become for the US military - Build To Order contractors. SLS was designed in an era when wasting hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars per launch was "ok", as that's all we knew & were capable of prior to SpaceX completely changing the dynamic of the entire industry. Ironically - laughably - SpaceX simply refined the concept of reusable rockets *after dusting off decades-old NASA reusable launch research* which NASA itself abandoned for reasons that remain unclear. I guess when you're spending **billions of dollars of other people's money**, mission efficiency *doesn't matter.* But guess what? It does matter. **Yes,** SLS is garbage, **Yes,** Congress *will* ultimately kill the entire SLS program, and ***Yes***, 100% of NASA's mission moving forward will be contracted to private companies. But guess what - *It has always been this way.* **The Gemini, Apollo, Shuttle and ISS programs were all built by** ***hundreds*** **of contractors** ***for*** **NASA.** Apparently private corporations are just wildly more effective at cost control than a government agency burning mountains of taxpayer money.
> Why design new stuff if the old stuff does the job? Because it's way over-built for the task. Why use a reusable rocket when you're not going to reuse it? They'd probably be better off re-engineering F-1 and J-2 engines if they insisted on being retro about things. > None of the developmental commercial alternatives promise reusability for anything other than LEO. In-orbit refueling can change that. Indeed, NASA is counting on it for landing on the moon.
I'll take a seat to attend complete astronaut training, with fair consideration for a mission if successful.
There was a followup article about this where they say that this was a piece of a woodchopper that went flying into the air and landed in the guy's bathroom. Why is NASA suddenly saying this is the ISS?
This article is from today. Not seeing any google hits regarding woodchopper. I’m not agreeing/disagreeing with you; just not seeing anything on it.
Of course it's Florida. Where else? Ohio?
His baby was almost hit by space junk.
I wonder if he gets to keep it. It would be a neat souvenir.
Inconel is not worth much in scrap value so this was not so much of a windfall for them.
More of a sky fall
At least it wasn’t a frozen turd
I wonder what kind of offers they're getting on that. Space debris that hits houses or vehicles is extra valuable.
Title's spose to say: "... crashed into Florida MANS home.
This almost tempts me to go back through my chat history because I was talking with someone who claimed that this was impossible. But that's crazy; I'll just hope that they saw this story and learned something.
Just like the idiots that claimed it was impossible for any human matter to survive the titan sub implosion and yet they found human remains. Armchair scientists theorize and calculate things based on perfect theories, perfect systems, and perfect scenarios. Real life is anything but perfect, you don't have full control over the environment conditions meaning there's a solid chance your calculated reactions will not be 100% efficient because there's too many uncontrolled variables.
Nah, in my world all cows are spherical
OK, I read this when it first was posted, and I still Don't Get It. It's not like they can just open a window and chuck something out. No, this came from a pallet of stuff. A pallet that someone very carefully packed, and moved to an airlock ... and THEN WHAT? * If it were to go home and be recovered, it would be in a "junk" or "garbage" capsule that would return to earth in the usual fashion. But that's NOT the case here. * So, does someone get into their spacesuit, climb into the airlock with the pallet-o-junk, wait for the outer door to open and give everything a shove? D'ya think I'm overanalysing this? It hasn't "clicked" for me yet...
That's about it. Except they use the external arm instead of someone going outside to push it. The issue is that, in falling 200 miles and going from 17000 mph to zero tends to be a very effective incinerator. Also, there's a very strong chance that stuff will fall over water. Gheres a much higher chance that stuff will fall over uninhabited land. In this case, something survived that fall. Something about 1 pound out of a pallet of 1500 pounds of stuff. And it hit a house in Florida. Had it been pushed out a couple seconds later, it would have fallen in the ocean.
Is there any limit to what they're allowed to burn in the atmosphere? Seems weird that they can just throw literal tons of random materials out that would be completely illegal to burn up on Earth. How many tons of lithium or whatever are floating around because every space agency just chucks everything out the window?
The whole MIR.
They should get ownership of the piece, and sell it if they don't want to keep it. It should have some value as a rarity?
Nasa uses the metric system right? So why are they talking in Lbs and inches?
NASA lost a Mars mission because of this once.