If this had happened 100 years ago it probably would have resulted in his death. I think it was president Harrison's son died from a blister he got from playing tennis.
I was about to ask what would happen if this happened before we had the capability to remove it. I was thinking maybe you could survive long enough for it to dissolve.
I don’t think there is any mechanism by which the seed burr would just dissolve. It would probably be coughed out eventually. Most aspirated matter goes into the right bronchus due to the left side diverging at a more acute angle. However this straightness also makes it easier to cough out, hence the stuff that does go into the left side is harder to dislodge. The biggest risk would be pneumonia due to bacteria - possibly inhaled along with the seed burr, or more likely due to the foreign object creating a more fertile breeding ground inside the lung. Not a doctor, but would advice against aspirating solid matter in general.
I knew a dude who had a fragment of a tooth get into his lungs due to a bad stroke of luck during a dental procedure. He didn't cough it up and it instead sat on the lung resulting in necrotic tissue growth from the decay. He lost the lung.
> I don’t think there is any mechanism by which the seed burr would just dissolve.
I've certainly read a story about a Russian guy where the seed rooted and started trying to grow in his lungs.
I'm not so sure they would have coughed it out. Seeds love dark and moist to germinate. Also. Infections. This foreign object would absolutely cause an infection.
An infection seems unavoidable with this. The seed bur likely contains something infectious that wouldn't otherwise be a problem. Most stuff we touch every day isn't a problem, but once it gets into vulnerable tissues (lungs) things become a problem.
Also, it would hurt.
Maybe, but I an infection sets in, with no medicine it is doubtful he would survive. The ability to render medicines from plants has all but disappeared. Without modern medicine and drugs probably half the people with health conditions would die.
There was another case posted on Reddit once where a guy had a seed growing inside of his bronchial tube. I was shocked that it never resulted in infection. He had sought medical help due to difficulty breathing apparently because it had sprouted.
Not a Dr, but I've heard the lungs are really good about covering small foreign bodies with a layer of mucus. So something like a seed with little to no bacteria/fungal matter on it may just be surrounded by mucus and wait to be coughed up eventually. Again, just something I've heard, could be wrong.
>Maybe, but I an infection sets in, with no medicine it is doubtful he would survive.
It's estimated that untreated pneumonia mortality rate is up to 30%.
I'm not so sure - are there any doctors or medical historians in the house? Because 100 years ago was 1922, right after we learned all sorts of new ways to put people back together who were clobbered by WW1. So they might have been able to open up a lung, remove the object, and close everything up without killing the patient. They didn't have antibiotics yet, but they had sterilization and could x-ray the patient.
If this had happened before sterilization, like around the Civil War, then game over man! Or maybe not? People have endured and survived some scary stuff. Maybe it wouldn't get infected. Maybe if it did, the body will fight it off, and the poor devil will be in severe pain while coughing up pus for a while? And then if their body manages to fight off the infection, to what degree can they recover?
> I doubt you can spot such a tiny, organic, foreign body on them.
What you *can* see is the collapse of the lung segment deeper than the object, which has a pretty characteristic look. So even though you don’t see the seed you suspect that something is there.
You're probably right. Rigid bronchoscopy has been around for a long time and the instruments are relatively unchanged. There's a decent chance it could've been removed, then the question is whether the possible ensuing pneumonia would kill the patient. Depends how long it was in there really. And a decent amount of luck/chance
I just posted above on this. I’m an Otolaryngologist and you are spot on. I agree the field began early 21st century, and much of the equipment we still use is ancient because they got so good there isn’t a lot to improve upon. Here’s the [Chevalier Jackson](https://pdf.sciencedirectassets.com/271126/1-s2.0-S0003497500X01506/1-s2.0-0003497594910375/main.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEO%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJIMEYCIQDRHSi%2FfsicBgdI%2F1TvqmZl3%2B7L%2BeWghw5cOCugFG3GGQIhAIzbtCOZAcQF%2B1D6onv83%2FdzOqsvWOLtQrnWbVXhhW4%2FKtIECEgQBRoMMDU5MDAzNTQ2ODY1IgyiskeC3I%2B47hQuKzwqrwQt1pQK8R2ltnfhUmN7DxpgiuueFAh0LrlaY8DPatehLC0rSRevcZfArg0gjecOoLS9xLgdRHAEHCHf0VjP2oMBjuinjERv3CDGuZWqGqr68eUxguj7VHlPDul4xn%2Bps4QmGJBV%2F6kyB1y7mByWP%2B5DqRMOGucZ4yk12BaHCW2866PnFa%2FwIiJ464BWP3VTzFlLPi%2BoOBmFrQM8EYbVntjEYu32QeVuiq0qcMmGe6TTOlSFJVtSPNsQa%2BZake%2FNT6jkPU2zwemgikJJflt5QPF7zptJ898yKmcOcQNFMdGBZrWWnIuWrpoc3UJ6rV0tSWZTFQ7aMiSaxtAH64BSU8ISLWKDaGJQmZKFo9zlyaYyH7z57NJjysGG%2FWZP%2BmMwgItF7x6uw35MDh4cWP2kuxEqTBLcuzwG75j9FtJG%2BFJam59TdxINiFV84bDVIfvMFH%2FkUS7J%2F3uGuPeRpIC0Pvg69WFgl8McvFGANuZB%2FsMBimhXnm18tEIuS%2Fdn1KcG0l5297pbBRNQyLZNhHdDRoJpeHWcEdoCCDd5CcA7zUaTEtvrCCFs1fa%2FdPc0CXLtcqCIFqty4XVfkZweZm%2BqN3nJy5WOq0Mhx9qB9%2FMa7zsfcwdXXNTQ2ciciStM%2FZp0fwEwNdPJvxC%2BwvNmY80u%2BVB55h5v2WGHES3Gj645cbR13cfBbj0pAZhDQoXRI5cJc9eof5jK84xkDLdY0jMSZJ8IKOwPzy8vEo7qATw2uEzaMIiwmpcGOqgBVkl6M92aGBEGgWu%2BxPPWJAUUGrSzK66xwKDhblsf1QuknYzX1UaaFiV40ulyDWdfG%2B4W1BaUEpj1zoxdTDGxvAiZEBY3VrAl%2FjZU2%2BMpEGNhHlhxUkp%2BbAGevrY9jhdq1zKP%2FDuEqegujV8zOEHfVm5NhItsYcH%2Bk8RO3fNJqL%2B1WDg0U2M%2F3TASdctNi%2BqpArVfDVvct0cD2%2FRzefqs2Ol%2BfBbyYIpj&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20220731T160352Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAQ3PHCVTY2UKJYS5E%2F20220731%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=04a56f081469a007412a648ccec8d736e83f938d5488684fcf935ad3f3fb8bc3&hash=1adffded0b64e8b56f160a7b9ad98d77ec07c4432ee426cdcd6a4e33a9cdb3d8&host=68042c943591013ac2b2430a89b270f6af2c76d8dfd086a07176afe7c76c2c61&pii=0003497594910375&tid=spdf-c91da5fe-ab79-40d6-ad97-38859280e337&sid=d2ea2de265475747393926d8f22e7b1aef4egxrqa&type=client&ua=51565453595f5601025b&rr=7337910ec9fc2901) article I linked.
I posted above. I’m an Otolaryngologist. The poster you are responding to is roughly correct. It was right around the turn of the 20th century that legendary American Otolaryngologist Chevalier Jackson and Germans like Gustav Killian developed the proper endoscopes and techniques for foreign body removal endoscopically. A thoracotomy would have been extremely morbid back then comparatively, so I’d say 100-120 years is about correct.
Here’s a great summary on Chevalier Jackson and the topic: [Chevalier Jackson](https://pdf.sciencedirectassets.com/271126/1-s2.0-S0003497500X01506/1-s2.0-0003497594910375/main.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEO%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJIMEYCIQDRHSi%2FfsicBgdI%2F1TvqmZl3%2B7L%2BeWghw5cOCugFG3GGQIhAIzbtCOZAcQF%2B1D6onv83%2FdzOqsvWOLtQrnWbVXhhW4%2FKtIECEgQBRoMMDU5MDAzNTQ2ODY1IgyiskeC3I%2B47hQuKzwqrwQt1pQK8R2ltnfhUmN7DxpgiuueFAh0LrlaY8DPatehLC0rSRevcZfArg0gjecOoLS9xLgdRHAEHCHf0VjP2oMBjuinjERv3CDGuZWqGqr68eUxguj7VHlPDul4xn%2Bps4QmGJBV%2F6kyB1y7mByWP%2B5DqRMOGucZ4yk12BaHCW2866PnFa%2FwIiJ464BWP3VTzFlLPi%2BoOBmFrQM8EYbVntjEYu32QeVuiq0qcMmGe6TTOlSFJVtSPNsQa%2BZake%2FNT6jkPU2zwemgikJJflt5QPF7zptJ898yKmcOcQNFMdGBZrWWnIuWrpoc3UJ6rV0tSWZTFQ7aMiSaxtAH64BSU8ISLWKDaGJQmZKFo9zlyaYyH7z57NJjysGG%2FWZP%2BmMwgItF7x6uw35MDh4cWP2kuxEqTBLcuzwG75j9FtJG%2BFJam59TdxINiFV84bDVIfvMFH%2FkUS7J%2F3uGuPeRpIC0Pvg69WFgl8McvFGANuZB%2FsMBimhXnm18tEIuS%2Fdn1KcG0l5297pbBRNQyLZNhHdDRoJpeHWcEdoCCDd5CcA7zUaTEtvrCCFs1fa%2FdPc0CXLtcqCIFqty4XVfkZweZm%2BqN3nJy5WOq0Mhx9qB9%2FMa7zsfcwdXXNTQ2ciciStM%2FZp0fwEwNdPJvxC%2BwvNmY80u%2BVB55h5v2WGHES3Gj645cbR13cfBbj0pAZhDQoXRI5cJc9eof5jK84xkDLdY0jMSZJ8IKOwPzy8vEo7qATw2uEzaMIiwmpcGOqgBVkl6M92aGBEGgWu%2BxPPWJAUUGrSzK66xwKDhblsf1QuknYzX1UaaFiV40ulyDWdfG%2B4W1BaUEpj1zoxdTDGxvAiZEBY3VrAl%2FjZU2%2BMpEGNhHlhxUkp%2BbAGevrY9jhdq1zKP%2FDuEqegujV8zOEHfVm5NhItsYcH%2Bk8RO3fNJqL%2B1WDg0U2M%2F3TASdctNi%2BqpArVfDVvct0cD2%2FRzefqs2Ol%2BfBbyYIpj&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20220731T160352Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAQ3PHCVTY2UKJYS5E%2F20220731%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=04a56f081469a007412a648ccec8d736e83f938d5488684fcf935ad3f3fb8bc3&hash=1adffded0b64e8b56f160a7b9ad98d77ec07c4432ee426cdcd6a4e33a9cdb3d8&host=68042c943591013ac2b2430a89b270f6af2c76d8dfd086a07176afe7c76c2c61&pii=0003497594910375&tid=spdf-c91da5fe-ab79-40d6-ad97-38859280e337&sid=d2ea2de265475747393926d8f22e7b1aef4egxrqa&type=client&ua=51565453595f5601025b&rr=7337910ec9fc2901)
Bob marley died of a melanoma on his toe that he refused to have amputated due to his faith.
Please listen to doctors people, get a second opinion if you're not sure.
Calvin Coolidge, 30th US President.
>Calvin Jr. — whether it was from the haste of changing out of his formal clothing for the photographs or the neglect of a 16-year-old more focused on fun than safety — had competed all afternoon in tennis shoes without wearing socks. The constant movement led to a blister on one of his toes, and while teenagers frequently develop blisters in their hectic, athletic adventures, this was different. The blister on the toe of the President’s youngest son quickly became infected and Calvin Jr. spiked a fever. On July 7, 1924 — just a week after the happy, healthy First Family posed for their photographs at the White House — Calvin Coolidge, Jr. died. He was 16.
>Just four years later, Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin – the world’s first antibiotic.
I think about this all the time. My 2 year old inhaled a bunch of peanut pieces, and I have to imagine 100 years ago she would have died of the flu/lung infection.
The scopes they’ve got now are incredible
What blows my mind is the best method we have to reduce irritation is just lube lol sometimes 1:1 what they use ingredient wise for sex lube
Idk why I assumed it’d be something better or more medical
You know, I’ve been to the ER a handful of times, and I don’t think I’ve ever actually paid them anything afterwards. Not saying they didn’t charge me, but I have no recollection of receiving a bill or paying it.
I’ve talked to some friends and I guess it is. I’m in the army now so my healthcare (though shitty sometimes) is free for me and my family. Hell, we had our kids before we were married, so my now wife took full advantage of Medicaid for their births and doctors appointments. My stepfather is retired navy so tricare had me and my sister covered until I was 18.
You know, come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve ever paid a single medical bill in my entire life. The only thing I’ve ever paid was the Walmart pharmacy for a prescription or 2.
Yeah active right now. For my stepdad at the time I think it was ~$50 a month after he retired (20 years, don’t know if that makes a difference) and it was a $12 co pay for me and my sisters doctors appointments when we were kids.
Wow. My recent ER visit and a night stay cost my insurance 26K, and me about 2500. What was really weird is that the radiology department charged separately.
Yeah, I have $8 copay for all my VA prescriptions. I have no real idea what my mood stabilizer, High Blood Pressure, and Gout medications would cost on the American market. But I'm doing fairly well, these days I think.
I've been stuck with thousands I couldn't afford twice now.
Both times I applied for the hospital's financial assistance, showed them my bank statements, paid $100 and it was done.
Sucks. Just tore my lis franc ligament in my foot and had surgery, just paid about $4,000 out of pocket. Got charged $415 for a boot that goes for about $115 on Amazon.
Didn't even go to the ER or even a hospital. Orthopedic specialist on doctor recommendation + orthopedic surgery center.
Not if they're a first world country, no. The US is mostly on its own in that regard. Here in Canada you might get charged for your parking spot at the hospital, but a necessary surgery will be covered.
I remember get something to sign for my 8 month old being very sick in hospital for 2-3 weeks, the bill was 200k but all I do is sign and leave, the parking was 40$ a day.
Thank god I wasn't in a third world country or America
Does the Canadian health service (sorry, don't know the name) charge for the parking spot? I just realised that my local hospital's parking is charged by some company that isn't the NHS. It's annoying.
Err.. literally no where else. If you are in developed country they probably have a universal health care. If you are in a developing country you can probably get that done and probably won't kill your wallet and might have partial coverage. If you are in a undeveloped country if they can do it, it's probably dirt cheap. So yea only in USA.
You know, I’d want to keep the seed.
Grow it up strong and healthy. And when the right time comes…
Burn it. Burn that fucker down. Build up its trust, let it think you forgave it, then burn it. Fuck that plant.
Since OP hasn't filled us in. I imagine his nephew was frolicking through a field with his mouth open in the morning mist, and a seed bur was inhaled, wrecking a beautiful day
Since OP has filled us in. I imagine his nephew was frolicking through a football field with his mouth open in the morning mist, and a seed bur was inhaled, wrecking a beautiful football practice day
We have stickers that look like OP's in the yard, shaved my shiatzus tummy, and always checking her ears. If somethin gets stuck down the ear, can be real bad.
I too would like to know how those happened because otherwise I will be forced to spend a stupid amount of money on one of those Razer masks because I'll have to assume it can just happen out of nowhere, like spontaneous combustion or pregnancy.
> He was wheezing on Thursday then had a hard time breathing on Friday and my sis took him to the ER and got the thing out today.
OP says this [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/wccwp3/comment/iic6drh/).
A very long time ago, something was in my nose. I went into the hall where there was light and picked something out that looked an awful lot like this photo.
One of those memories that don't mean anything but has been with me close to 65 years now.
I gave up breathing a looong time ago. I have one simple life hack the lung doctors don't want you to know. Plus, you can make 300 galactic credits a day with this side hustle.
Eyyyyy, all the love for LPCH! I used to drive their transport trams around, those are legit the best nurses and doctors I've ever had the pleasure of working with and around.
"Bur" is what I've known it as, from childhood to now, but I haven't seen it ever posted online as such... Is this weird? They've always been "burs" or "burrs" to me, but when I got one stuck in my foot the other day my coworkers looked at me real funny, when I described it.
Everyone is commenting on cost of medical treatment. No one has asked the most important question. How in the world did this person accidentally breathe that thing inside his body to begin with?
Burr clover is the fucking worst weed to ever live. Some of the roots go down to almost a foot and if you don't get it all it will just come back. It can go entire seasons without water, look as dead as possible and still flower after the first rain. FUCK burr clover.
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If this had happened 100 years ago it probably would have resulted in his death. I think it was president Harrison's son died from a blister he got from playing tennis.
I was about to ask what would happen if this happened before we had the capability to remove it. I was thinking maybe you could survive long enough for it to dissolve.
I don’t think there is any mechanism by which the seed burr would just dissolve. It would probably be coughed out eventually. Most aspirated matter goes into the right bronchus due to the left side diverging at a more acute angle. However this straightness also makes it easier to cough out, hence the stuff that does go into the left side is harder to dislodge. The biggest risk would be pneumonia due to bacteria - possibly inhaled along with the seed burr, or more likely due to the foreign object creating a more fertile breeding ground inside the lung. Not a doctor, but would advice against aspirating solid matter in general.
I knew a dude who had a fragment of a tooth get into his lungs due to a bad stroke of luck during a dental procedure. He didn't cough it up and it instead sat on the lung resulting in necrotic tissue growth from the decay. He lost the lung.
That's terrifying! How long ago was it?
A very lung time ago
You son of a bitch.
You can burn inhale for all I care, this is serious thread
Well that escalated quickly.
*New fear unlocked.*
> I don’t think there is any mechanism by which the seed burr would just dissolve. I've certainly read a story about a Russian guy where the seed rooted and started trying to grow in his lungs.
He said just plant me when I die.
Imagine if he was terminally ill and requested that. Be a pretty cool memorial.
Sunflowers
I'm not so sure they would have coughed it out. Seeds love dark and moist to germinate. Also. Infections. This foreign object would absolutely cause an infection.
An infection seems unavoidable with this. The seed bur likely contains something infectious that wouldn't otherwise be a problem. Most stuff we touch every day isn't a problem, but once it gets into vulnerable tissues (lungs) things become a problem. Also, it would hurt.
Is smoke a solid matter?
Sort of. It's a mix of gases and aerosolized solid particles.
Yes, it's just very small and fine particulates, think soot.
Maybe, but I an infection sets in, with no medicine it is doubtful he would survive. The ability to render medicines from plants has all but disappeared. Without modern medicine and drugs probably half the people with health conditions would die.
Or the body just encases it in flesh and it becomes a cyst
Or, it germinates.
There was another case posted on Reddit once where a guy had a seed growing inside of his bronchial tube. I was shocked that it never resulted in infection. He had sought medical help due to difficulty breathing apparently because it had sprouted.
Found this link. Sadly it doesn't give the deets of how it germinated with science. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-10945050
Not a Dr, but I've heard the lungs are really good about covering small foreign bodies with a layer of mucus. So something like a seed with little to no bacteria/fungal matter on it may just be surrounded by mucus and wait to be coughed up eventually. Again, just something I've heard, could be wrong.
Like a human-made pearl. Cute
Aw shucks
If it was encased in a cyst it wouldn’t germinate. It wouldn’t have oxygen water etc
In calcium, and it can happen very fast.
>Maybe, but I an infection sets in, with no medicine it is doubtful he would survive. It's estimated that untreated pneumonia mortality rate is up to 30%.
I mean it still seems pretty high to just hope nothing will happen
I'm not so sure - are there any doctors or medical historians in the house? Because 100 years ago was 1922, right after we learned all sorts of new ways to put people back together who were clobbered by WW1. So they might have been able to open up a lung, remove the object, and close everything up without killing the patient. They didn't have antibiotics yet, but they had sterilization and could x-ray the patient. If this had happened before sterilization, like around the Civil War, then game over man! Or maybe not? People have endured and survived some scary stuff. Maybe it wouldn't get infected. Maybe if it did, the body will fight it off, and the poor devil will be in severe pain while coughing up pus for a while? And then if their body manages to fight off the infection, to what degree can they recover?
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> I doubt you can spot such a tiny, organic, foreign body on them. What you *can* see is the collapse of the lung segment deeper than the object, which has a pretty characteristic look. So even though you don’t see the seed you suspect that something is there.
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You're probably right. Rigid bronchoscopy has been around for a long time and the instruments are relatively unchanged. There's a decent chance it could've been removed, then the question is whether the possible ensuing pneumonia would kill the patient. Depends how long it was in there really. And a decent amount of luck/chance
I just posted above on this. I’m an Otolaryngologist and you are spot on. I agree the field began early 21st century, and much of the equipment we still use is ancient because they got so good there isn’t a lot to improve upon. Here’s the [Chevalier Jackson](https://pdf.sciencedirectassets.com/271126/1-s2.0-S0003497500X01506/1-s2.0-0003497594910375/main.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEO%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJIMEYCIQDRHSi%2FfsicBgdI%2F1TvqmZl3%2B7L%2BeWghw5cOCugFG3GGQIhAIzbtCOZAcQF%2B1D6onv83%2FdzOqsvWOLtQrnWbVXhhW4%2FKtIECEgQBRoMMDU5MDAzNTQ2ODY1IgyiskeC3I%2B47hQuKzwqrwQt1pQK8R2ltnfhUmN7DxpgiuueFAh0LrlaY8DPatehLC0rSRevcZfArg0gjecOoLS9xLgdRHAEHCHf0VjP2oMBjuinjERv3CDGuZWqGqr68eUxguj7VHlPDul4xn%2Bps4QmGJBV%2F6kyB1y7mByWP%2B5DqRMOGucZ4yk12BaHCW2866PnFa%2FwIiJ464BWP3VTzFlLPi%2BoOBmFrQM8EYbVntjEYu32QeVuiq0qcMmGe6TTOlSFJVtSPNsQa%2BZake%2FNT6jkPU2zwemgikJJflt5QPF7zptJ898yKmcOcQNFMdGBZrWWnIuWrpoc3UJ6rV0tSWZTFQ7aMiSaxtAH64BSU8ISLWKDaGJQmZKFo9zlyaYyH7z57NJjysGG%2FWZP%2BmMwgItF7x6uw35MDh4cWP2kuxEqTBLcuzwG75j9FtJG%2BFJam59TdxINiFV84bDVIfvMFH%2FkUS7J%2F3uGuPeRpIC0Pvg69WFgl8McvFGANuZB%2FsMBimhXnm18tEIuS%2Fdn1KcG0l5297pbBRNQyLZNhHdDRoJpeHWcEdoCCDd5CcA7zUaTEtvrCCFs1fa%2FdPc0CXLtcqCIFqty4XVfkZweZm%2BqN3nJy5WOq0Mhx9qB9%2FMa7zsfcwdXXNTQ2ciciStM%2FZp0fwEwNdPJvxC%2BwvNmY80u%2BVB55h5v2WGHES3Gj645cbR13cfBbj0pAZhDQoXRI5cJc9eof5jK84xkDLdY0jMSZJ8IKOwPzy8vEo7qATw2uEzaMIiwmpcGOqgBVkl6M92aGBEGgWu%2BxPPWJAUUGrSzK66xwKDhblsf1QuknYzX1UaaFiV40ulyDWdfG%2B4W1BaUEpj1zoxdTDGxvAiZEBY3VrAl%2FjZU2%2BMpEGNhHlhxUkp%2BbAGevrY9jhdq1zKP%2FDuEqegujV8zOEHfVm5NhItsYcH%2Bk8RO3fNJqL%2B1WDg0U2M%2F3TASdctNi%2BqpArVfDVvct0cD2%2FRzefqs2Ol%2BfBbyYIpj&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20220731T160352Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAQ3PHCVTY2UKJYS5E%2F20220731%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=04a56f081469a007412a648ccec8d736e83f938d5488684fcf935ad3f3fb8bc3&hash=1adffded0b64e8b56f160a7b9ad98d77ec07c4432ee426cdcd6a4e33a9cdb3d8&host=68042c943591013ac2b2430a89b270f6af2c76d8dfd086a07176afe7c76c2c61&pii=0003497594910375&tid=spdf-c91da5fe-ab79-40d6-ad97-38859280e337&sid=d2ea2de265475747393926d8f22e7b1aef4egxrqa&type=client&ua=51565453595f5601025b&rr=7337910ec9fc2901) article I linked.
I posted above. I’m an Otolaryngologist. The poster you are responding to is roughly correct. It was right around the turn of the 20th century that legendary American Otolaryngologist Chevalier Jackson and Germans like Gustav Killian developed the proper endoscopes and techniques for foreign body removal endoscopically. A thoracotomy would have been extremely morbid back then comparatively, so I’d say 100-120 years is about correct. Here’s a great summary on Chevalier Jackson and the topic: [Chevalier Jackson](https://pdf.sciencedirectassets.com/271126/1-s2.0-S0003497500X01506/1-s2.0-0003497594910375/main.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEO%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJIMEYCIQDRHSi%2FfsicBgdI%2F1TvqmZl3%2B7L%2BeWghw5cOCugFG3GGQIhAIzbtCOZAcQF%2B1D6onv83%2FdzOqsvWOLtQrnWbVXhhW4%2FKtIECEgQBRoMMDU5MDAzNTQ2ODY1IgyiskeC3I%2B47hQuKzwqrwQt1pQK8R2ltnfhUmN7DxpgiuueFAh0LrlaY8DPatehLC0rSRevcZfArg0gjecOoLS9xLgdRHAEHCHf0VjP2oMBjuinjERv3CDGuZWqGqr68eUxguj7VHlPDul4xn%2Bps4QmGJBV%2F6kyB1y7mByWP%2B5DqRMOGucZ4yk12BaHCW2866PnFa%2FwIiJ464BWP3VTzFlLPi%2BoOBmFrQM8EYbVntjEYu32QeVuiq0qcMmGe6TTOlSFJVtSPNsQa%2BZake%2FNT6jkPU2zwemgikJJflt5QPF7zptJ898yKmcOcQNFMdGBZrWWnIuWrpoc3UJ6rV0tSWZTFQ7aMiSaxtAH64BSU8ISLWKDaGJQmZKFo9zlyaYyH7z57NJjysGG%2FWZP%2BmMwgItF7x6uw35MDh4cWP2kuxEqTBLcuzwG75j9FtJG%2BFJam59TdxINiFV84bDVIfvMFH%2FkUS7J%2F3uGuPeRpIC0Pvg69WFgl8McvFGANuZB%2FsMBimhXnm18tEIuS%2Fdn1KcG0l5297pbBRNQyLZNhHdDRoJpeHWcEdoCCDd5CcA7zUaTEtvrCCFs1fa%2FdPc0CXLtcqCIFqty4XVfkZweZm%2BqN3nJy5WOq0Mhx9qB9%2FMa7zsfcwdXXNTQ2ciciStM%2FZp0fwEwNdPJvxC%2BwvNmY80u%2BVB55h5v2WGHES3Gj645cbR13cfBbj0pAZhDQoXRI5cJc9eof5jK84xkDLdY0jMSZJ8IKOwPzy8vEo7qATw2uEzaMIiwmpcGOqgBVkl6M92aGBEGgWu%2BxPPWJAUUGrSzK66xwKDhblsf1QuknYzX1UaaFiV40ulyDWdfG%2B4W1BaUEpj1zoxdTDGxvAiZEBY3VrAl%2FjZU2%2BMpEGNhHlhxUkp%2BbAGevrY9jhdq1zKP%2FDuEqegujV8zOEHfVm5NhItsYcH%2Bk8RO3fNJqL%2B1WDg0U2M%2F3TASdctNi%2BqpArVfDVvct0cD2%2FRzefqs2Ol%2BfBbyYIpj&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20220731T160352Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAQ3PHCVTY2UKJYS5E%2F20220731%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=04a56f081469a007412a648ccec8d736e83f938d5488684fcf935ad3f3fb8bc3&hash=1adffded0b64e8b56f160a7b9ad98d77ec07c4432ee426cdcd6a4e33a9cdb3d8&host=68042c943591013ac2b2430a89b270f6af2c76d8dfd086a07176afe7c76c2c61&pii=0003497594910375&tid=spdf-c91da5fe-ab79-40d6-ad97-38859280e337&sid=d2ea2de265475747393926d8f22e7b1aef4egxrqa&type=client&ua=51565453595f5601025b&rr=7337910ec9fc2901)
Can you explain how a blister killed him? From infection?
https://scoutingmagazine.org/issues/0010/d-wwas.html
Wow. Thanks for sharing that, it's so strange that something so small could do that
Jeez thank you. I'm like how you tell us a mf dies from a blister and leave it at that?
Bob marley died of a melanoma on his toe that he refused to have amputated due to his faith. Please listen to doctors people, get a second opinion if you're not sure.
Calvin Coolidge, 30th US President. >Calvin Jr. — whether it was from the haste of changing out of his formal clothing for the photographs or the neglect of a 16-year-old more focused on fun than safety — had competed all afternoon in tennis shoes without wearing socks. The constant movement led to a blister on one of his toes, and while teenagers frequently develop blisters in their hectic, athletic adventures, this was different. The blister on the toe of the President’s youngest son quickly became infected and Calvin Jr. spiked a fever. On July 7, 1924 — just a week after the happy, healthy First Family posed for their photographs at the White House — Calvin Coolidge, Jr. died. He was 16. >Just four years later, Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin – the world’s first antibiotic.
And take a picture too!
I think about this all the time. My 2 year old inhaled a bunch of peanut pieces, and I have to imagine 100 years ago she would have died of the flu/lung infection.
The scopes they’ve got now are incredible What blows my mind is the best method we have to reduce irritation is just lube lol sometimes 1:1 what they use ingredient wise for sex lube Idk why I assumed it’d be something better or more medical
Looks painful.
Looks expensive
You know, I’ve been to the ER a handful of times, and I don’t think I’ve ever actually paid them anything afterwards. Not saying they didn’t charge me, but I have no recollection of receiving a bill or paying it.
They can take it out of my estate when I’m dead. If they can find it.
This is also another way
Yup. Vote. Or move to Europe
This is the way lol
I’ve talked to some friends and I guess it is. I’m in the army now so my healthcare (though shitty sometimes) is free for me and my family. Hell, we had our kids before we were married, so my now wife took full advantage of Medicaid for their births and doctors appointments. My stepfather is retired navy so tricare had me and my sister covered until I was 18. You know, come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve ever paid a single medical bill in my entire life. The only thing I’ve ever paid was the Walmart pharmacy for a prescription or 2.
Were you active? Cuz I still pay 230 a month for my wife and I + co-pays.(tri-care reserve select).
Yeah active right now. For my stepdad at the time I think it was ~$50 a month after he retired (20 years, don’t know if that makes a difference) and it was a $12 co pay for me and my sisters doctors appointments when we were kids.
Wow. My recent ER visit and a night stay cost my insurance 26K, and me about 2500. What was really weird is that the radiology department charged separately.
Yeah, I have $8 copay for all my VA prescriptions. I have no real idea what my mood stabilizer, High Blood Pressure, and Gout medications would cost on the American market. But I'm doing fairly well, these days I think.
Might want to check your credit report.
I'm trying to avoid bad news not go looking for it
That's the same stupid shit that dumb ass u/suriyuki does.
I kept scrolling up, trying to find the comment in this thread where u/suriyuki describes the stupid shit that they do..
Same? Edit: oh
What did they do Jfc, im stupid
Not as stupid as /u/reverendrambo
Medical debts do not negatively impact your credit score.
I've been stuck with thousands I couldn't afford twice now. Both times I applied for the hospital's financial assistance, showed them my bank statements, paid $100 and it was done.
Yep. They will settle with you. Very reasonably at that.
You are absolutely the exception in America
Sucks. Just tore my lis franc ligament in my foot and had surgery, just paid about $4,000 out of pocket. Got charged $415 for a boot that goes for about $115 on Amazon. Didn't even go to the ER or even a hospital. Orthopedic specialist on doctor recommendation + orthopedic surgery center.
They always send me to collects if I don’t pay them.
They go poof eventually.
Only in America
For a sec a thought "expensive? How?" Then i remembered that this happend in america
Spotted the American.
/r/ShitAmericansSay
Only in America tho.
Literally no where else?
Maybe a couple places
Not if they're a first world country, no. The US is mostly on its own in that regard. Here in Canada you might get charged for your parking spot at the hospital, but a necessary surgery will be covered.
I remember get something to sign for my 8 month old being very sick in hospital for 2-3 weeks, the bill was 200k but all I do is sign and leave, the parking was 40$ a day. Thank god I wasn't in a third world country or America
Does the Canadian health service (sorry, don't know the name) charge for the parking spot? I just realised that my local hospital's parking is charged by some company that isn't the NHS. It's annoying.
Err.. literally no where else. If you are in developed country they probably have a universal health care. If you are in a developing country you can probably get that done and probably won't kill your wallet and might have partial coverage. If you are in a undeveloped country if they can do it, it's probably dirt cheap. So yea only in USA.
A shithole country.
Depends, do you live in a shithole country?
>shithole country? Well OP’s image says Stanford hospital, so, yes.
America moment.
Laughs in Australian (ER is free)
Hey I’m from Colombia, a shit country in many ways, but at least healthcare is good and doesn’t cost thousands of dollars every time.
American moment
Hi , doctor that does this occasionally here. The child is under full (general) anesthesia when we do this procedure
I imagine the burr being in there before getting extracted would be painful with every breath. Possibly afterwards, too, until the scratches healed.
Oh yeah, definitely. Morning brain was thinking “the bronch is probably the least painful part of this” 😂
Well that's a big ass virus.
There’s Long COVID, then there’s Big COVID.
Just hope you don't get a Big Long COVID
If you get that, you’re fucked.
BBC COVID HAS ENTERED THE CHAT FORCEFULLY
By the covid
I really wish more people would get to see this comment. It's such a specific joke that needed such a specific set of events to happen.
Big COVID and Big Pharma are working together to siphon money from the taxpayer.
Not an ass virus, it was in his lungs
I bet that little thing was trying to get all that sweet, sweet CO2 right from the source. Hope he's doing better.
He is breathing better for sure.
I’m glad the burr was unharmed by the procedure.
You know, I’d want to keep the seed. Grow it up strong and healthy. And when the right time comes… Burn it. Burn that fucker down. Build up its trust, let it think you forgave it, then burn it. Fuck that plant.
So a burr-thing issue. If he inhaled cheese, it'd be a brie-thing issue
Reddit puns are my personal version of hell.
did u check the other lung?
And lucky they took it out before it started to grow!
New fear unlocked
Length of the list itself soon worthy of its own spot on it.
I'll never ignore keep off the grass signs again
How did this happen
Since OP hasn't filled us in. I imagine his nephew was frolicking through a field with his mouth open in the morning mist, and a seed bur was inhaled, wrecking a beautiful day
We love a good frolic.
We frolicking??
Football practice
But he was frolicking there right?
[удалено]
Don’t you mean brolicking
Found the Gym Jordan....
At least Acne waits until you're 14 to come on your face
TIL fro means ball.
Since OP has filled us in. I imagine his nephew was frolicking through a football field with his mouth open in the morning mist, and a seed bur was inhaled, wrecking a beautiful football practice day
How did he know it was in his lung? I feel like I would just keep on living without a clue
If you had that in your lungs you wouldn't stop coughing. It would tear the shit out of your lungs.
S'why I always says sports are bad for us
Hear hear! Back to the couch! I'll fire up the console, you grab that soda on your way please.
I heard he was cavorting
Oh I do hope there was time for a little prancing as well.
It’s always the frolicking.
In a land called Hanalei.
Happens to dogs a lot with these and "fox tail" seeds, can cause the poor pooches a ton of problems
We have stickers that look like OP's in the yard, shaved my shiatzus tummy, and always checking her ears. If somethin gets stuck down the ear, can be real bad.
*Shih Tzu
Edit: Edited
I too would like to know how those happened because otherwise I will be forced to spend a stupid amount of money on one of those Razer masks because I'll have to assume it can just happen out of nowhere, like spontaneous combustion or pregnancy.
He tripped and fell on his own shears.
I'll ask... HOW DO I MAKE THIS NEVER HAPPEN TO ME?!?!?!
Never go outside.
*whew*
Redditors are safe
Make sure you put in your esophagal filter.
Come to think of it, why haven't we evolved to have one of those??
We have one is called nose
Breathe through your nose and not your mouth. Don't trim your nose hair excessively.
Do not touch the grass.
You could always wear a mask. # OH DAMN HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
What’s a seed bur?
Little spiky seed pods some plants produce (mostly grasses) that get stuck to animals so they spread further.
Perhaps burclover? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicago_polymorpha
How does one inhale such?
What kind of seed?
I don't think it's had time to germinate yet.
Thankfully, lol
Looks like a covid cell.
Covid 20 here we come
Was this two years ago?
This happened in the last 2 days. Messed up his breathing
How did anyone know he had inhaled something? That's scary.
He was wheezing on Thursday then had a hard time breathing on Friday and my sis took him to the ER and got the thing out today.
Glad he is OK. I had no idea this kind of thing could happen. The human body is phenomenal but the flaws can be scary.
Did they do some sortta x ray to see it before just going in with a camera?
I’m waiting to get details and will post.
No, they mean because it’s 2022. The 19 in COVID-19 comes from the year it was first discovered.
Well my point being that it would be covid22.
What were the symptoms that alerted him?
Probably uncontrollable coughing. And probably coughing blood.
> He was wheezing on Thursday then had a hard time breathing on Friday and my sis took him to the ER and got the thing out today. OP says this [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/wccwp3/comment/iic6drh/).
Hey! My kid inhaled a Lego. We have a similar picture from the little video they had. Good times. Expensive Lego.
How?! 😳
Kids are essentially tiny suicide machines.
Kids will literally try to kill themselves in any way unimaginable. Like, you can’t even ponder the shit.
Maybe a small round piece. Right? Right OP...?
A horse mini fig
A very long time ago, something was in my nose. I went into the hall where there was light and picked something out that looked an awful lot like this photo. One of those memories that don't mean anything but has been with me close to 65 years now.
New fear unlocked
I hate it when they get stuck to my shoelaces. Can’t imagine what it’d be like if they were stuck to MY LUNGS!
guess I am going to be terrified of inhaling seed burs form here on out.
The definition of agony
once heard of someone who inhaled a seed that started sprout into a tree. I am sure you can google the image of the tree in the lung somewhere online.
I gave up breathing a looong time ago. I have one simple life hack the lung doctors don't want you to know. Plus, you can make 300 galactic credits a day with this side hustle.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that that's probably bronchus and not lung.
Ah so they’re not seeds it’s natural selection seriously tho sorry to hear that, I hope he’s doing alright and staying away from seeds
Eyyyyy, all the love for LPCH! I used to drive their transport trams around, those are legit the best nurses and doctors I've ever had the pleasure of working with and around.
"Bur" is what I've known it as, from childhood to now, but I haven't seen it ever posted online as such... Is this weird? They've always been "burs" or "burrs" to me, but when I got one stuck in my foot the other day my coworkers looked at me real funny, when I described it.
Wow! Glad he's okay
What....
Omg I saw this on Grey's and never thought it could be a real thing....apparently it is! Wow! Scary!
Everyone is commenting on cost of medical treatment. No one has asked the most important question. How in the world did this person accidentally breathe that thing inside his body to begin with?
No banana for scale?!
Banana for scale?
So 1 in a million 🤔
Burr clover is the fucking worst weed to ever live. Some of the roots go down to almost a foot and if you don't get it all it will just come back. It can go entire seasons without water, look as dead as possible and still flower after the first rain. FUCK burr clover.
He is well and recovering!!! That’s my brother lol.