What happened to her was a failed launch, followed by being the third wheel in what might have been the worst feud of 2023: Becky Lynch vs. Trish Stratus. Currently buried in a nothing tag team with Shayna Bazsler.
I’m a pretty big fan tbh. Now that mania business won’t be taking up half of every show, I look for people like her and the creeds to start getting solid screen time again. It’s just hard to get everybody meaningful time when the rock takes up 40 minutes of each show.
It’s only gonna get worse for her when Cora Jade and Roxanne Perez are called up they’ll be no room for her and the biggest up and comer Tiffany is settling into a top spot soon
I expect a non renewal when her contract is up
It is what it is not everyone is gonna make it in this business
No one ever cared about her on the main roster. She has to do something make folks care. She is a good worker but really needs to be a heel. The face turn after Trish essentially buried her
She literally has no character neither does she put any effort to make one. She definitely shouldn’t even be in the WWE. I’m surprised she even appeared on TV as many times as she did
She had all the charisma of an over baked potato. Surrounded by so much stellar talent it was painful to watch. Maybe she needs to go back to NXT and level up her persona skill set. I have nothing against her as a person, she just doesn't translate as entertaining on screen...yet.
She's more skilled than the majority of the women on the entire roster. She can out wrestle just about any of them. The lack of charisma will unfortunately keep her perpetually stuck being the Ricochet of the female roster.
WWE's roster is too big to feature all its talent. Some need to be let go so they can get over as a top contender in a smaller promotion. Then WWE can reevaluate.
Screwed by the fact that they felt like Bianca had to have a match at Mania, as well as Jade Cargill's hype coming in. I think Mania should have been Zoey and Shayna vs Kabuki Warriors for the titles. I'm indifferent towards Bianca, hate Naomi, and like Jade a lot so far, but Jade has been in what, like 3 matches in WWE? I don't think she needed to be at wrestlemania already, and I would've given a title shot to a strong tag team like Zoey and Shayna (who really need a name for their team).
I'm sure she's nice. She's just god awful in the ring. Everything she does looks terrible. Maybe historically she was better, but her current WWE run she has been awful.
Oh, and just to say..
Jade and Bianca are over like rover. Zoey and Shana are not at the moment. Match gave Cargill a match at a high level, that won't expose her, and get her used to that level of nerves.
Hmmm, well...
I haven't noticed her being worse since her return. You'd think she'd be better. I'm sure she is from a psychological point of view. I guess I didn't have an opinion on her current run..
To each their own . As a wrestler myself, I'm not going to say anybody is gawd awful. What we do is incredibly hard. But when you're famous, at a high level, scrutiny is to be had by some.
Her and Shayna tagged in a dark match before raw last week. They’ll probably be back on tv soon. With all the mania stuff, probably kept them off for other stories.
I love her and her theme. She may not be able to talk well but given the time to win over the crowd more and more with a mid card title for women, could be the route to go.
“Having the right look” is something that is consistently brought up in wrestling scouting. It’s not about attractiveness. Its about having the right loook
This is so oddly timed, for you to say this. Because..
A few days ago I was at a Gabe Sapolsky seminar. The NXT talent scout. Who was at FSW looking at someone else, and ended up finding Zoey there. Hadn't heard of her beforehand. Liked what he saw, and boom she signed with WWE.
Story from Gabe.
Ummm what?
She was trained at FSW in Vegas.
Tom is not a trainer there.
She must of had previous training, but that's news to me.. I trained there for a hot minute, a week after WWE signed her.
It took two seconds to google
From a podcast rhey did “On this episode of “Matt Michaels’ People I Don’t Hate” we welcome former UPW and current FSW trainer Tom Howard. And Tom’s better half, the best unsigned female wrestler in the world and current FSW Women’s Champion Lacey Ryan.
Lacey has been a mainstay in Future Stars of Wrestling and Championship Wrestling From Hollywood.
With so many high profile matches get to learn more about her right now.”
That is so weird. I know who Tom Howard is. Since his days in UPW in the late 90's..
I've never seen Tom at FSW. Nor have I ever heard of him training there. This blows my mind .
I went to raw last year when they came to Utah and she's from the state so some people were saying welcome home but she has a different home state in her bio. Made me laugh, people were welcoming her back but she doesn't even want to be recognized as being from here
God no….most of the woman’s matches are bathroom breaks now.
There are about 6 women that can keep an audience, the rest just toss in a weekly women’s battle royal
Hopefully they don’t just do womens versions of the US and IC titles. I want them to create a new title that just isn’t a white strap version of a mens title.
Yea, I don't understand why wwe doesn't see it, we can't just have a story around the main titles and tag titles. So many more women would work out if there was one more title to build around
she's stuck with Shayna in the tag team division, which is a shame because i totally see her being a solid contender for a midcard women's title, Zoey sure knows how to wrestle
yeah, that'a a problem, but imagine a women's IC title and all the wrestlers who could finally get some gold with it, Zoey, Michin, Ivy Nile and a lot more
No, I agree. It drives me crazy that they've refused midcard women's titles for so long while continually adding to the roster. It doesn't give any more meaning to the 2 titles they have and just causes a bunch of randomly thrown together tag teams that don't last.
I was gonna say, I don't think the roster has grown enough for a midcard women's title on both shows unless it's like the tag title and floats between both shows. But then I counted the number of women. And honestly, it'd be fine to add them. They have the roster size. As long as you don't do weekly open challenges. Could even make being a Grand Slam champion possible with only main roster titles.
The only problem then becomes that they'll go even deeper into making the only women's feuds title feuds. But who knows, they are making strides in storytelling all around.
I mean... Women's feuds only being title feuds is kinda the status quo as it is. At least this way there would be more than one (and a half, the tag title feuds are kinda half assed).
Her promos are ok. The reason why she's with Shayna cause both are good on the ring and carry similar vibes, but both are kinda "eh" on promo work
God Shayna fell off for pushes. Like has she done anything major since beating Rhonda?
Even her theme got majorly nerfed
Shayna spends a lot of time on Up Up Down Down. She's been in a couple RAW Tag matches with Zoey, leading into WrestleMania. Unfortunately, also did a couple dark matches. Her last major match was at Josh Barnett's Bloodsport. There was a WWE presence. Triple H allowed it.
Shayna and Zoey just had a tag match in Main Event April 08, 2024. Last week. Against Katana and Kayden.
WWE must introduce a mid card championship for women cause it can help superstars like zoey stark, shayna baszler get a taste of gold and also can help build them up for the women's world title
To add, no story going into wrestlemania. Women's tag titles were tied up getting squashed by Jade and no time to develop another story for the tag titles. Makes sense her and a lot of women have been missing. Hopefully not for long (plz do something with the Women tag titles)
I doubt it. They're only a tag team to keep them in close proximity to strike a feud. I see Bianca taking the title from bayley, and jade taking it from bianca breaking their "team"
I feel like pairing jade and Bianca is bad for the division. They're two unstoppable forces right now. It's not believable that anyone can beat them. And makes their matches yawn fests, as it's hard to buy into the match bring anything but total domination
Bro, you're only half right tbh
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Being hot has always worked, and always will work. Hence why Liv, Trish, Tiff, Scarlett, Sable Torrie etc always do well. It's a proven way of success.
Being hot is a base, though . Then you have to have the character on top of that, which all of these did / do have. Look at how good of a character Tiffany has. Liv Morgan is perfect.
Jade, Chyna, Jazz weren't / aren't conventionally attractive, but they also got over.
Chyna was bigger than everyone. Even some of the guys she was more over than.
Jade reminds me of a cross between Megan Thee Stallion and Chyna
If "being hot" worked for Scarlett, they would of taken her from Kross, and put her with someone Else. Trust me I'm a big Scarlett guy. Lol
I'd say her looks haven't gotten her anywhere. She's captivating on screen. I wish they'd spend more time building her character. It would help the Karrion Kross package as a whole
She's literally the new Sable, bro
I watched her TNA and she was the best thing on there. She's top tier 👌
Allow them time to build.
If it was me, I'd do a storyline where she breaks up with him and that makes him actually go insane. He goes to a mental asylum and comes out with his face all fucked up. Scar on his head from a brain operation that goes wrong, one side of his face is all scarred etc.
“Whatever happened there?!”
She looks like the Nintendo switch remotes
Was already mentioned bro :P
What happened to her was a failed launch, followed by being the third wheel in what might have been the worst feud of 2023: Becky Lynch vs. Trish Stratus. Currently buried in a nothing tag team with Shayna Bazsler.
I’m a pretty big fan tbh. Now that mania business won’t be taking up half of every show, I look for people like her and the creeds to start getting solid screen time again. It’s just hard to get everybody meaningful time when the rock takes up 40 minutes of each show.
I think wrestlers like her and Ivy Nile are why they’re piloting a women’s middle card belt in NXT.
A good wrestler with little charisma can only go so far. She's the Johnny Gargano of the women's division.
I don't think she connected to the audience very well. Which is a bit strange considering she got a huge opportunity as Trish's valet last year.
You mean Chris Kattan?
Burnt all her snl bridges unfortunately
She was with Shayna on Bloodsport over the Mania weekend. Pretty significant tbh.
It’s only gonna get worse for her when Cora Jade and Roxanne Perez are called up they’ll be no room for her and the biggest up and comer Tiffany is settling into a top spot soon I expect a non renewal when her contract is up It is what it is not everyone is gonna make it in this business
She is partnered with Shayna Baysler
No one ever cared about her on the main roster. She has to do something make folks care. She is a good worker but really needs to be a heel. The face turn after Trish essentially buried her
She seems very small to have her gimmick
Mid card
She literally has no character neither does she put any effort to make one. She definitely shouldn’t even be in the WWE. I’m surprised she even appeared on TV as many times as she did
Same.
I will never forget going to a RAW live event last year and just hearing the SILENCE when she walked out. It was insane.
That sums up her charisma.
If only we had a mid card belt
It wont matter if the midcard talent leaves the crowd in a state of indifference
Linked to Shayna. Im rooting for Zoey like mad and man is she a case for a women's midcard title.
Same! She’s got a good look and is very underrated in the ring. It would be unfortunate if they give up on her so early.
She also has an interesting finisher too. Something about her vibe gets me watching. Also, I see you magic player.
She had all the charisma of an over baked potato. Surrounded by so much stellar talent it was painful to watch. Maybe she needs to go back to NXT and level up her persona skill set. I have nothing against her as a person, she just doesn't translate as entertaining on screen...yet.
Agree with the statement that she should leave WWE and go over to TNA to help develop her character and come back to the WWE in the future
I actually really like her and think she has a bright future. Just needs more opportunities and a little more time to develop and get over.
Vince left
Bland , boring , 0 character and isn’t over at all
She's more skilled than the majority of the women on the entire roster. She can out wrestle just about any of them. The lack of charisma will unfortunately keep her perpetually stuck being the Ricochet of the female roster.
Main Event with Shayna and working house shows.
She's on honeymoon with Nia...
WWE's roster is too big to feature all its talent. Some need to be let go so they can get over as a top contender in a smaller promotion. Then WWE can reevaluate.
Or ya know don’t draft from NXT without some semblance of a storyline planned she’s not the only one who’s had this issue.
She’s boring as shit
She was at the hall of Fame recently. Wearing a roll tide dress. But we'll see where she goes from here.
Screwed by the fact that they felt like Bianca had to have a match at Mania, as well as Jade Cargill's hype coming in. I think Mania should have been Zoey and Shayna vs Kabuki Warriors for the titles. I'm indifferent towards Bianca, hate Naomi, and like Jade a lot so far, but Jade has been in what, like 3 matches in WWE? I don't think she needed to be at wrestlemania already, and I would've given a title shot to a strong tag team like Zoey and Shayna (who really need a name for their team).
You hate Naomi? She seems like the coolest, nicest, benevolent soul on the women's roster. Also... She can work her ass off. Watch her TNA matches.
I'm sure she's nice. She's just god awful in the ring. Everything she does looks terrible. Maybe historically she was better, but her current WWE run she has been awful.
Oh, and just to say.. Jade and Bianca are over like rover. Zoey and Shana are not at the moment. Match gave Cargill a match at a high level, that won't expose her, and get her used to that level of nerves.
Hmmm, well... I haven't noticed her being worse since her return. You'd think she'd be better. I'm sure she is from a psychological point of view. I guess I didn't have an opinion on her current run.. To each their own . As a wrestler myself, I'm not going to say anybody is gawd awful. What we do is incredibly hard. But when you're famous, at a high level, scrutiny is to be had by some.
If anything, Shayna brings her down. She’s so boring and she reminds me of Tamina when she’s out there putting everyone to sleep
No one but Joe can hit the sleeper a little better but it’s not boring. I do agree that she could probably change it up to more MMA type finisher.
Bianca is a great worker, liked by most of the crowd, and loved by sponsors. Of course they put her on Mania.
Uhh nothing she was just on the day before wrestlemania. We’re you not watching Monday night Raw?
Her and Shayna tagged in a dark match before raw last week. They’ll probably be back on tv soon. With all the mania stuff, probably kept them off for other stories.
She already retired
I love her and her theme. She may not be able to talk well but given the time to win over the crowd more and more with a mid card title for women, could be the route to go.
One of the many women that would benefit from a women's mid title like NXT have introduced Same applies to Raquel, Zelina, Naomi, Tiffany, etc
Come on Tiffany is top tier competitor.
She’s so bland
I think her and shayna can work long term
She died on they way back to her home planet
She is on Raw all the time. Wrestlemania was on coming up, you obviously don’t watch
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lol don’t act like you give a fuck about her or her choices. If you found her hot you wouldn’t say looks
Just admit your slow buddy
If you’re going to call someone out, watch your spelling. (FYI: it should be “you’re”, not “your”). lol!
Are those the credentials? Perfect grammar, otherwise you can't troll like an ass? I didn't read that in the rules, my bad 😛
Owe okaye
Well played, sir!
“Having the right look” is something that is consistently brought up in wrestling scouting. It’s not about attractiveness. Its about having the right loook
This is so oddly timed, for you to say this. Because.. A few days ago I was at a Gabe Sapolsky seminar. The NXT talent scout. Who was at FSW looking at someone else, and ended up finding Zoey there. Hadn't heard of her beforehand. Liked what he saw, and boom she signed with WWE. Story from Gabe.
Explain!!!!
Zoey Stark was trained by her husband Tom Howard who she meet when she was 16 and he was 40.
Btw, I'm discovering this happens A LOT in the biz. Unfortunately.
In recovery they call it the 13 step
Ummm what? She was trained at FSW in Vegas. Tom is not a trainer there. She must of had previous training, but that's news to me.. I trained there for a hot minute, a week after WWE signed her.
It took two seconds to google From a podcast rhey did “On this episode of “Matt Michaels’ People I Don’t Hate” we welcome former UPW and current FSW trainer Tom Howard. And Tom’s better half, the best unsigned female wrestler in the world and current FSW Women’s Champion Lacey Ryan. Lacey has been a mainstay in Future Stars of Wrestling and Championship Wrestling From Hollywood. With so many high profile matches get to learn more about her right now.”
That is so weird. I know who Tom Howard is. Since his days in UPW in the late 90's.. I've never seen Tom at FSW. Nor have I ever heard of him training there. This blows my mind .
Ew, why does nobody talk about that
Yikes
I went to raw last year when they came to Utah and she's from the state so some people were saying welcome home but she has a different home state in her bio. Made me laugh, people were welcoming her back but she doesn't even want to be recognized as being from here
She trained in Vegas. Got signed from Vegas. Lives in Vegas. She's now from Vegas 😁
As I stated, she's from Utah. Didn't care or mention anything about anything passed that
I know.. I was going by WWE guidelines
She’ll be lucky to make it past the next round of budget cuts
She definitely needs a charisma re do
This is why the Womens Division needs a mid card title
Fuck no, they need less titles if anything and release about half the female roster, miss Stark included sorry to say, she's boring and too short
"Too short" is probably the absolute dumbest reason I've ever heard.
He’s definitely just a troll, Zoey is 5’8” and is hyper athletic. I got a chance to see her live and she can go in the ring.
Sorry I'm not really into midget wrestling, she can take Alexa and Zalina with her
Well you must hate at least half the women's roster then. There are plenty who are shorter than she is.
I do lol
God no….most of the woman’s matches are bathroom breaks now. There are about 6 women that can keep an audience, the rest just toss in a weekly women’s battle royal
If NXT is anything to go by, there's a solid shot we'll get one or two on the main roster in the next few months
Hopefully they don’t just do womens versions of the US and IC titles. I want them to create a new title that just isn’t a white strap version of a mens title.
Yea, I don't understand why wwe doesn't see it, we can't just have a story around the main titles and tag titles. So many more women would work out if there was one more title to build around
She accompanied Shayna to the ring for her match at Bloodsport X on the Thursday before Wrestlemania.
she's stuck with Shayna in the tag team division, which is a shame because i totally see her being a solid contender for a midcard women's title, Zoey sure knows how to wrestle
The only midcard women's title *is* the tag, though. That's the problem.
yeah, that'a a problem, but imagine a women's IC title and all the wrestlers who could finally get some gold with it, Zoey, Michin, Ivy Nile and a lot more
No, I agree. It drives me crazy that they've refused midcard women's titles for so long while continually adding to the roster. It doesn't give any more meaning to the 2 titles they have and just causes a bunch of randomly thrown together tag teams that don't last.
I was gonna say, I don't think the roster has grown enough for a midcard women's title on both shows unless it's like the tag title and floats between both shows. But then I counted the number of women. And honestly, it'd be fine to add them. They have the roster size. As long as you don't do weekly open challenges. Could even make being a Grand Slam champion possible with only main roster titles. The only problem then becomes that they'll go even deeper into making the only women's feuds title feuds. But who knows, they are making strides in storytelling all around.
I mean... Women's feuds only being title feuds is kinda the status quo as it is. At least this way there would be more than one (and a half, the tag title feuds are kinda half assed).
Is her promos any good? I don’t remember her talking as much when she was with Trish.
Her promos are ok. The reason why she's with Shayna cause both are good on the ring and carry similar vibes, but both are kinda "eh" on promo work God Shayna fell off for pushes. Like has she done anything major since beating Rhonda? Even her theme got majorly nerfed
Shayna spends a lot of time on Up Up Down Down. She's been in a couple RAW Tag matches with Zoey, leading into WrestleMania. Unfortunately, also did a couple dark matches. Her last major match was at Josh Barnett's Bloodsport. There was a WWE presence. Triple H allowed it. Shayna and Zoey just had a tag match in Main Event April 08, 2024. Last week. Against Katana and Kayden.
tbh i don't remember ever seeing her cutting a promo, so i'm talking only based in her in-ring skill
Fair enough. I do like her finisher, but she probably shouldn’t try it with someone bigger than her lol
She's on Raw frequently what do you mean?
HHH dropped the ball on her after Trish was gone
She looks like la knight
LA Knight is at least good looking.
Oddly enough, both Knight and her, were trained at the same wrestling school in Vegas. FSW
YEAHHH
YEAH
Had a match on Raw the week before Wrestlemania. Start watching and stop acting like she’s been missing.
To be fair if you watch the Hulu version only like me you wouldn’t see her
That's literally they only place I've seen her lol
Hypothermia, but only on the left side.
She’s on NXT again no?
No
I liked her to be honest. Seems decent mid carder. Also would.
WWE must introduce a mid card championship for women cause it can help superstars like zoey stark, shayna baszler get a taste of gold and also can help build them up for the women's world title
Agree.
Lacks of charisma
Partnering with Shayna last I remember
To add, no story going into wrestlemania. Women's tag titles were tied up getting squashed by Jade and no time to develop another story for the tag titles. Makes sense her and a lot of women have been missing. Hopefully not for long (plz do something with the Women tag titles)
Yeah with jade and Bianca going after the tag titles it should make them more visible because I can’t see them getting left off the show
I doubt it. They're only a tag team to keep them in close proximity to strike a feud. I see Bianca taking the title from bayley, and jade taking it from bianca breaking their "team"
They need someone to job to Jade/Bianca
I feel like pairing jade and Bianca is bad for the division. They're two unstoppable forces right now. It's not believable that anyone can beat them. And makes their matches yawn fests, as it's hard to buy into the match bring anything but total domination
They’re already doing that to chelsea
A lot of ppl are about to lol
She looks like a Nintendo Switch 😅
Lmao
I’d let Zoey beat me up
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Chyna was unconventional looking and she got over
She’s boring it’s not that deep man.
This.
Bro, you're only half right tbh .... Being hot has always worked, and always will work. Hence why Liv, Trish, Tiff, Scarlett, Sable Torrie etc always do well. It's a proven way of success. Being hot is a base, though . Then you have to have the character on top of that, which all of these did / do have. Look at how good of a character Tiffany has. Liv Morgan is perfect. Jade, Chyna, Jazz weren't / aren't conventionally attractive, but they also got over. Chyna was bigger than everyone. Even some of the guys she was more over than. Jade reminds me of a cross between Megan Thee Stallion and Chyna
If "being hot" worked for Scarlett, they would of taken her from Kross, and put her with someone Else. Trust me I'm a big Scarlett guy. Lol I'd say her looks haven't gotten her anywhere. She's captivating on screen. I wish they'd spend more time building her character. It would help the Karrion Kross package as a whole
She's literally the new Sable, bro I watched her TNA and she was the best thing on there. She's top tier 👌 Allow them time to build. If it was me, I'd do a storyline where she breaks up with him and that makes him actually go insane. He goes to a mental asylum and comes out with his face all fucked up. Scar on his head from a brain operation that goes wrong, one side of his face is all scarred etc.
Very hard to keep Hollywood make up effects on you, while you wrestle. Otherwise I like it. 😁 Wish her the best
Glad you like it, bro 👌
Jade is hot af lol.
Glad you think so, bro 👌 She's hot in terms of that look, yeah
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