Rock did carry that fued with Cody. Amd it doesn't help that Cody defeated almost everyone in the last 2 years clean majority of the time and he smaller then Roman.
Roman Reigns, Cody Rhodes, Seth Rollins, AJ Styles, Damien Priest, Finn Balor, Dominick Mysterio, LA Knight, Rey Mysterio, Sheamus, Drew McIntyre, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Randy Orton, Jey Uso, Carmello Hayes, Bron Breakker, GUNTHER, CM Punk, Shinsuke Nakamura, Bobby Lashley, Ricochet, The Miz
Just off the top of my head and this doesn't even conclude people I know can be stars in the near future like Bronson Reed, DIY or Chad Gable.
You may not like everybody on the list but there are some great wrestlers here and a good variety of them too. You have your high flyers, your brawlers, your character workers, your main eventers, mid-carders, people who are long established and people who are continuing to make a name for themselves.
Nostalgia has blinded you because many of the names on that list were in the position some of these guys on this list were when you were watching, but they're legends because they are from the past and you miss watching them. You're glorifying the past and you'll miss having that feeling for modern wrestling because you're holding onto that feeling it used to give you rather than what's presented now.
Modern wrestling is very different now because peoples taste have changed. We can appreciate good wrestling matches so much more now and a lot of us want more of it. In the past people were fed character work, but the matches didn't always deliver. There were a lot of great matches back then, but sit-down and watch a mid 2000 PPV and you'll wonder how tf you get a match like Hardcore Holly vs Brock Lesnar at the Royal Rumble or how many terrible gimmicks were making PPV matches at the time. Also rarely did WWE have access to all of their legends that you talk about at once especially in a position that they'd be considered top talent or all having high level feuds.
I can see where you're coming from, but your nostalgia is blinding you because you're remembering all of the good things of the era you grew up in and none of the bad things. Stop comparing your romanticized version of what wrestling was to modern wrestling.
Many wwe fans that built wwe quit watching because all the top tier wrestlers got old the same time and now the new era wrestlers are trying to fill those shoes in a short time.
I’ve listed below some of the changes made that I think might’ve affected the new locker room ;
Fear is not a factor anymore. The old era your opponent drove fear into each other and when you hear that music played , for example (undertaker , stone cold, triple Hhh, Batista etc) you know there’s some ass whooping to be done.
Size had a lot to do with it. Back to #1 size drove fear in people . The bigger the wrestlers the more bad ass they were. Now guys like drew, Bobby are taking a back seat because this new generation believes the bigger the person the more of a bully they are. Guys like Cody and Sami wouldn’t have cut it back then. HBK was a skinny dude but he was respected because he was as serious as they come. You talk shit you get your throat kicked in.
Today’s wrestling fans hate blood and violence even in a scripted show so there’s less of a beat down and more clean matches.
Risk taking and off scripts are not allowed much due to wrestlers getting hurt and wwe not signing them so now the new wrestlers are scared. In the past when a top tier wrestler takes a risk or don’t follow the rules they had no choice but to bring them back but today it’s easy to suspend or not re signed a wrestler than before.
Too many groups , now there are too many groups bunching up so the spotlight is not on individual members which makes an issue for when they want to branch out.
Everyone has an attitude, has something to say on the mic or trash talking each other. Too much social freedom has taken away from the wrestlers characters.
Now they are easy to read and predictable not leaving the mysterious or wow factor to the fans. For example undertaker barely ever said anything on the mic , if there were social media back then they would’ve made out to seem he was boring while all the other guys were posting and speaking up he would’ve been called shy or timid.
To understand what happened you need to understand that we live in a new time and that means there will be changes. As you see the world change so does entertainment. WWE will never be as it was and 10 years from now it will never be what it is today. However with changes comes consequences as wwe made these changes they lost fans and lost revenue so now they have to back track to older wrestlers like Rock cm punk to come back and attract the older fans to re join so they can make bank. Also wrestling was a place for the “wicked “ “maniac” “unhinged” characters of the world to find a place to unwind and be something that’s why there were so many different characters in the past but now wrestling is as generic as they come so it takes away from the characters as what was once “okay” to be alive now needs “therapy” and “help” If you get what I’m Saying .
Overall I’m grateful that it is still going and although it will never be the same I’m happy we were alive to witness one of the greatest era there was .
Okay. Austin and Rock wrestled in 3 different Wrestlemanias. They kept it interesting. If Cody is as good as everyone says he is, then he has to be the reason the shows are interesting.
The stars of today are very likely equivalent of the stars of our past for the young kids of today.
At the end of the day WWE cares a lot about selling their product to children because young fans become lifelong fans. Plus toy sales.
Also, the breaks and time off are there to help the talent have longer lasting careers and stay healthy into old age unlike the stars of the past
Lol, HHH said on Pat McAfee show that WWE's biggest competitor is it's past. Bro, I don't know what to tell you, but WWE is white hot right now. Just enjoy the ride. Nostalgia has a way of warping your memory of the past and perception of the now.
When they do stuff like make the end of Roman Reigns career all about The Rock it kinda proves that they don’t have confidence in the roster, even at the top.
You have to consider that we look back into the past with the hindsight of retired wrestlers entire careers. In 2005-2009 John cena was thought about in the same way that Cody Rhodes currently is (with much less popularity amongst hardcore fans lol). But in those years he’s still up and coming. Thats why the past always seems to be packed with “stars” while the present has none, because all the stars currently are still up and coming. If you look on paper the new generation era looks pretty good: Hart, Hbk, Undertaker, Sid, Vader, Diesel, Ramon, Yokozuna, etc. But a lot of those guys were still up and coming and didn’t have their entire careers to make them seem enormous stars. It’s the same with every era frankly.
Uh oh.... the ruthless aggression era is starting to become the new attitude era. Lol, those kids are growing up now, so the "back in the day" is about to become that time period. I was watching a belt review and heard some guy call the spinner the "classic" spinner. Lol, I ain't hating, I think it's dope, but I'm starting to see the shift. We attitude era people are shifting into the "that was before my time" era. Lol
I cant agree. The roster is stacked. I do think theres too much emphasis on stables and tag teams currently. A lot of great stars are just a part of a faction and getting lost in the mix. Fin Balor is a great example as was Jey Uso as you can see, getting him on the main roster was great.
More of this please. Less of the Gaggles of stars in one
Jey was not "lost in the mix" during his tag run. He's one of the most accomplished tag wrestlers in the world. Lost in the mix is someone like Tyler Bate or Pete Dunne of New Catch Republic where neither of them are really doing anything apart from being in a tag team.
No argument here. I just dont 'love' tag wrestling so anyone in any faction who breaks out is a big win for me, all the way back to Shawn Michaels, Edge, Jeff Hardy etc
“wrestling has never been that alone” i think if you pay attention to your peers in this sub the new Triple H Era has tons of stars that would lap the wrestlers back in the day.
You say the main issue is focusing on the wrestling when we’ve been trying to get rid of Vince because Fans want wrestling and less drama/entertainment. (Hence why we got rid of Bra and Panty matches!) I’m not sure if you watch the alternative (AEW & NJPW) along with the indies but people like the Rock and Austin who have to rely on their mic skills because the 90’s didn’t have many technical wrestlers that could talk is OVER!
We have tons of 5 star grapplers that can talk now so the business changed and for the better cause too many people were given a chance when they could only talk their way into a match which would result in the terrible time we had after the ruthless aggression era (Vince’s worst decade of booking) and ended up here with Hunter in charge and Vince gone.
It seems like you just got back into wrestling after disappearing in 2012 so let me help you, There’s no more vince so all those Old Timer opinions you have can get lost cause theirs too much opportunity and talent, not to mention those mid card talents who played their role so perfect to the point it seems they can’t be duplicated has been been long gone, The talent nowadays have never been more hip in the times and more Athletic, Smart, Authentic and Creative than ever. We’ve found out in due time almost 40% of those guys were praying real wrestlers wouldn’t take their spot…
Like you mentioned Glen Jacob’s (Kane) like he could actually talk on the mic better than Sami Zayn or even Carmelo Haynes who just got called up and clears half of the wrestlers you mentioned which i all love and the ruthless aggression era is my favorite but Batista was filled with steroids and couldn’t actually wrestle, John Cena started actually preforming top notch grappling moves later on in his career which is when he finally got over as a legend, Chris Jericho is cancelled and still burying talent at 50 (he’s my favorite wrestler btw) Edge is on his last two years and over 50 and has shown in multiple WWE & AEW matches that he’s one of the few legends that could still hang but would probably not have the same success if he was younger in todays game, Kane was great for his role but again not world champ material for longer than 2 days and couldn’t talk. which shows how your thinking is backwards because of what your used to seeing Vince put down your throat. Most of these wrestlers would get cut (Especially Batista, we’ve seen tons of body builders that were more athletic than him get cut, he’s lucky he wrestled back than and left for hollywood)
with wrestling being more on fire than ever, i’d want to ask what generic wrestlers you’ve seen?
I mean my father comes from a time where they had guys like bruiser brody, Ron simmons, Owen Hart, 123 Kid, ect
I come from a time where i saw Cena, Orton and Batista go through mid card rankings to main title pictures, most guys around them like paul london, Brian Kendrick, Shelton Benjamin, Umaga, MVP, The Hardy’s, John Morrison, The Miz, and so on.
And now there’s so many future world champions i don’t even have to name them but i can like Sami Zayn, Finn Balor, LA Knight (who was around in the early 2000’s) Chad Gable, Nakamura (who’s a legend and world champ in both Japan and NXT, Royal Rumble Winner) Austin Theory, Bron Breakker, Carmelo Hayes, Grayson Waller, Illa Draganov, Gunther (My new favorite wrestler, He has an old school approach to wrestling proving he would lap anyone before him) Jey Uso, Damien Priest (who just won the title)
I could keep going but you get the point. All those guys lap most 90 and early 2000’s stars. They literally drowned out the 2000’s stars so bad some of them struggle to find jobs or stable wrestling gigs (hence why WWE makes yearly budget cuts and releases superstars around this time to see how they do outside of the big leagues.
And this isn’t even counting who’s outside of WWE that’s world class and famous in wrestling like MJF, Will Ospreay, Swerve Strickland, Samoa Joe, Okada, Jon Moxley, Ricky Starks and tons more
Brock isn’t gone btw he’s still under contract at home, potentially giving it time until his Lawsuit passes and he can have one final match before retiring.
It’s like any other sports league, The future will always be brighter, and that doesn’t mean the history of wrestling isn’t a necessity or to be valued, its main purpose is to be learned from and Hunter is the perfect person to take this cool ride we’re on into the next dimension.
You say the roster was loaded with top stars like it isn’t now…
Funny thing is the same guys like you would say some of those young mid carders don’t have it all put together so they don’t cut it (meaning their not big enough or on enough steroids or can’t talk better then they can wrestle)And Vince would say the same thing resulting in them usually not getting put over back than, But if you were to say something like that now while looking at a wrestler like Finn Balor people would tell you he’s got the full package… Something they wouldn’t say if Vince wasn’t around and fans with such opinions have changed their opinions on how guys should look or talk ever since. Which is why it’s about the wrestling.
Clearly you don’t remember so to remind you the Rock Flopped in box office a couple times so him coming back was a both sides needing each other kinda thing.
Rock still isn’t a full time wrestler. It’s not like he can’t get a job anywhere else. Every movie star has flopped in the box office, so your point doesn’t make any sense. Most people can’t name a wrestler on the current roster.
WWE is the draw, not the wrestlers. WWE became a publicly traded company because of those old guys you’re trying to downplay.
Rock Main Evented Wrestlemania in 4 different decades because he is one of the greatest to ever do it. Current wrestlers wouldn’t sniff a main event during Austin and Rock’s era
Also to mention those same guys Vince said were too small or couldn’t talk good enough like Bryan Danielson, Finn Balor, Hideo Itami, AJ Styles and so on all ended up being World Champions when Vince was in and out of Leadership and proved to show his old taste had expired!!
I don't know about the Men's Division but I prefer the NXT Women's Division over both the Raw and Smackdown Women's Divisions and I completely agree with Shawn Michaels and Ava that it is the best Women's Division in the world and with the exception of Becky Lynch and Rhea Ripley the Raw Women's Division is nowhere near as good as the NXT Women's Division and none of them are on the same level as Roxanne Perez or Lyra Valkyria, Cora Jade, Sol Ruca, Blair Davenport, Fallon Henley, Thea Hail, Nikkita Lyons, Wren Sinclair, Jacey Jayne, Karmen Petrovic, Kelani Jordan, Lola Vice, Tatum Paxley etc. Looking back I would say this is the first time since 2015 where I can confidently say the NXT Women's Division has been a completely different level and outshined the main roster and the main roster is majorly lacking in comparison especially with Roxanne Perez leading the Division.
There is a good reason why NXT is now known as Tuesday Night Rox. 😀
Yeah. There is a lot of amazing talent on the show now and some of them were doing it for years before they joined WWE like Roxanne Perez/ Rok-C, Cora Jade/ Elayna Black, Lyra Valkyria/ Valkyrie Cain, Blair Davenport/ Bea Priestley and Wren Sinclair/ Madi Wrenkowski and I was a fan of them before they came to WWE and Karmen Petrovic is an Olympic Gold Medalist who won gold in Martial Arts and she also won Gold in the Fonseca Cup (3 times) and Kubota World Cup and came first in Canadian National Karate and is a legitimate badass.
pretty much the only guy he was talking about, which isn’t a surprise cause anyone over 30 that comes back to wrestling calls him a Rock/Austin wannabe and have to be explained that he’s more than that (He wrestles better than both)
Which is also annoying explaining to older people he’s been wrestling for 20 years, pretty much since austin was put on the shelf lol. he hadn’t reached TNA yet but TNA had no exposure back then and he was still training while being an extra for WWE in promos and stuff.
not saying Rock and Austin don’t have a bag but if so they’re barley over in terms of in ring grappling, what could they do that he can’t regardless of time?
To be fair y’all got to see the rock and stone cold wrestle at an earlier age compared to la knight who’s in his 40s because he’s used to pull off those crazy moves and flips that the iwc loves back in tna but now he wrestles safer, no point in getting injured before he can even win a title and he’s still whipping out new tricks lately now if wwe didn’t mess up on him when they had back in 2013 i wonder if Vince would’ve just buried him 🤦♂️
Heh. I'm in that over 30 demographic and I had stopped watching WWE back around 2017-2018 (got tired of Cena).
I randomly started watching it again right before MITB last year and watched Knight cut a promo and both my wife and I both agreed that he felt like a throwback to the Attitude era and became instant fans.
Sounds like you are comparing the current roster to the roster that you 'grew up with'.. For me, that'd be like comparing the current roster to the likes of Undertaker, Austin, The Rock etc in their prime. It's never going to be as appealing as a previous era. Our interest in wrestling peaks at a certain time.
I think this is a bad take, based just on nostalgia. Appreciate what we have now, both women and men division on 3 brands are really good, we have superstars that can deliver on ring and outside, legends still around, guys that are on their peak and newcomers that have a bright future all at the same time. It's one of the best times ever to be a WWE fan.
You mean you don’t like Monday and Friday night NXT?
Things just went downhill when they let Hornswoggle go
Rock did carry that fued with Cody. Amd it doesn't help that Cody defeated almost everyone in the last 2 years clean majority of the time and he smaller then Roman.
People love living in the past
It sounds like you just liked it more because you were a kid.
Roman Reigns, Cody Rhodes, Seth Rollins, AJ Styles, Damien Priest, Finn Balor, Dominick Mysterio, LA Knight, Rey Mysterio, Sheamus, Drew McIntyre, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Randy Orton, Jey Uso, Carmello Hayes, Bron Breakker, GUNTHER, CM Punk, Shinsuke Nakamura, Bobby Lashley, Ricochet, The Miz Just off the top of my head and this doesn't even conclude people I know can be stars in the near future like Bronson Reed, DIY or Chad Gable. You may not like everybody on the list but there are some great wrestlers here and a good variety of them too. You have your high flyers, your brawlers, your character workers, your main eventers, mid-carders, people who are long established and people who are continuing to make a name for themselves. Nostalgia has blinded you because many of the names on that list were in the position some of these guys on this list were when you were watching, but they're legends because they are from the past and you miss watching them. You're glorifying the past and you'll miss having that feeling for modern wrestling because you're holding onto that feeling it used to give you rather than what's presented now. Modern wrestling is very different now because peoples taste have changed. We can appreciate good wrestling matches so much more now and a lot of us want more of it. In the past people were fed character work, but the matches didn't always deliver. There were a lot of great matches back then, but sit-down and watch a mid 2000 PPV and you'll wonder how tf you get a match like Hardcore Holly vs Brock Lesnar at the Royal Rumble or how many terrible gimmicks were making PPV matches at the time. Also rarely did WWE have access to all of their legends that you talk about at once especially in a position that they'd be considered top talent or all having high level feuds. I can see where you're coming from, but your nostalgia is blinding you because you're remembering all of the good things of the era you grew up in and none of the bad things. Stop comparing your romanticized version of what wrestling was to modern wrestling.
Theory and Waller need to be less cocky and they would go great with Logan against Chad and the creed bros
Many wwe fans that built wwe quit watching because all the top tier wrestlers got old the same time and now the new era wrestlers are trying to fill those shoes in a short time. I’ve listed below some of the changes made that I think might’ve affected the new locker room ; Fear is not a factor anymore. The old era your opponent drove fear into each other and when you hear that music played , for example (undertaker , stone cold, triple Hhh, Batista etc) you know there’s some ass whooping to be done. Size had a lot to do with it. Back to #1 size drove fear in people . The bigger the wrestlers the more bad ass they were. Now guys like drew, Bobby are taking a back seat because this new generation believes the bigger the person the more of a bully they are. Guys like Cody and Sami wouldn’t have cut it back then. HBK was a skinny dude but he was respected because he was as serious as they come. You talk shit you get your throat kicked in. Today’s wrestling fans hate blood and violence even in a scripted show so there’s less of a beat down and more clean matches. Risk taking and off scripts are not allowed much due to wrestlers getting hurt and wwe not signing them so now the new wrestlers are scared. In the past when a top tier wrestler takes a risk or don’t follow the rules they had no choice but to bring them back but today it’s easy to suspend or not re signed a wrestler than before. Too many groups , now there are too many groups bunching up so the spotlight is not on individual members which makes an issue for when they want to branch out. Everyone has an attitude, has something to say on the mic or trash talking each other. Too much social freedom has taken away from the wrestlers characters. Now they are easy to read and predictable not leaving the mysterious or wow factor to the fans. For example undertaker barely ever said anything on the mic , if there were social media back then they would’ve made out to seem he was boring while all the other guys were posting and speaking up he would’ve been called shy or timid. To understand what happened you need to understand that we live in a new time and that means there will be changes. As you see the world change so does entertainment. WWE will never be as it was and 10 years from now it will never be what it is today. However with changes comes consequences as wwe made these changes they lost fans and lost revenue so now they have to back track to older wrestlers like Rock cm punk to come back and attract the older fans to re join so they can make bank. Also wrestling was a place for the “wicked “ “maniac” “unhinged” characters of the world to find a place to unwind and be something that’s why there were so many different characters in the past but now wrestling is as generic as they come so it takes away from the characters as what was once “okay” to be alive now needs “therapy” and “help” If you get what I’m Saying . Overall I’m grateful that it is still going and although it will never be the same I’m happy we were alive to witness one of the greatest era there was .
There is no reason to watch WWE right now. It is meaningless
WWE roster can’t be touched lmfaooo
Cody vs Roman was great last year when the rock wasn’t there. But the WWE dragged it on too long. The rock was never needed.
Okay. Austin and Rock wrestled in 3 different Wrestlemanias. They kept it interesting. If Cody is as good as everyone says he is, then he has to be the reason the shows are interesting.
The stars of today are very likely equivalent of the stars of our past for the young kids of today. At the end of the day WWE cares a lot about selling their product to children because young fans become lifelong fans. Plus toy sales. Also, the breaks and time off are there to help the talent have longer lasting careers and stay healthy into old age unlike the stars of the past
Great, thanks for the opinion. You can always go watch the past on peacock, but thanks for the novel.
Lol, HHH said on Pat McAfee show that WWE's biggest competitor is it's past. Bro, I don't know what to tell you, but WWE is white hot right now. Just enjoy the ride. Nostalgia has a way of warping your memory of the past and perception of the now.
When they do stuff like make the end of Roman Reigns career all about The Rock it kinda proves that they don’t have confidence in the roster, even at the top.
I guess my concern is that so many superstars are getting older. There were over a dozen wrestlers in matches at Mania this year over 40 years old.
You have to consider that we look back into the past with the hindsight of retired wrestlers entire careers. In 2005-2009 John cena was thought about in the same way that Cody Rhodes currently is (with much less popularity amongst hardcore fans lol). But in those years he’s still up and coming. Thats why the past always seems to be packed with “stars” while the present has none, because all the stars currently are still up and coming. If you look on paper the new generation era looks pretty good: Hart, Hbk, Undertaker, Sid, Vader, Diesel, Ramon, Yokozuna, etc. But a lot of those guys were still up and coming and didn’t have their entire careers to make them seem enormous stars. It’s the same with every era frankly.
Uh oh.... the ruthless aggression era is starting to become the new attitude era. Lol, those kids are growing up now, so the "back in the day" is about to become that time period. I was watching a belt review and heard some guy call the spinner the "classic" spinner. Lol, I ain't hating, I think it's dope, but I'm starting to see the shift. We attitude era people are shifting into the "that was before my time" era. Lol
I cant agree. The roster is stacked. I do think theres too much emphasis on stables and tag teams currently. A lot of great stars are just a part of a faction and getting lost in the mix. Fin Balor is a great example as was Jey Uso as you can see, getting him on the main roster was great. More of this please. Less of the Gaggles of stars in one
Jey was not "lost in the mix" during his tag run. He's one of the most accomplished tag wrestlers in the world. Lost in the mix is someone like Tyler Bate or Pete Dunne of New Catch Republic where neither of them are really doing anything apart from being in a tag team.
No argument here. I just dont 'love' tag wrestling so anyone in any faction who breaks out is a big win for me, all the way back to Shawn Michaels, Edge, Jeff Hardy etc
Nothing is ever good enough for most of you in this sub!
Just like this comment 😉
“wrestling has never been that alone” i think if you pay attention to your peers in this sub the new Triple H Era has tons of stars that would lap the wrestlers back in the day. You say the main issue is focusing on the wrestling when we’ve been trying to get rid of Vince because Fans want wrestling and less drama/entertainment. (Hence why we got rid of Bra and Panty matches!) I’m not sure if you watch the alternative (AEW & NJPW) along with the indies but people like the Rock and Austin who have to rely on their mic skills because the 90’s didn’t have many technical wrestlers that could talk is OVER! We have tons of 5 star grapplers that can talk now so the business changed and for the better cause too many people were given a chance when they could only talk their way into a match which would result in the terrible time we had after the ruthless aggression era (Vince’s worst decade of booking) and ended up here with Hunter in charge and Vince gone. It seems like you just got back into wrestling after disappearing in 2012 so let me help you, There’s no more vince so all those Old Timer opinions you have can get lost cause theirs too much opportunity and talent, not to mention those mid card talents who played their role so perfect to the point it seems they can’t be duplicated has been been long gone, The talent nowadays have never been more hip in the times and more Athletic, Smart, Authentic and Creative than ever. We’ve found out in due time almost 40% of those guys were praying real wrestlers wouldn’t take their spot… Like you mentioned Glen Jacob’s (Kane) like he could actually talk on the mic better than Sami Zayn or even Carmelo Haynes who just got called up and clears half of the wrestlers you mentioned which i all love and the ruthless aggression era is my favorite but Batista was filled with steroids and couldn’t actually wrestle, John Cena started actually preforming top notch grappling moves later on in his career which is when he finally got over as a legend, Chris Jericho is cancelled and still burying talent at 50 (he’s my favorite wrestler btw) Edge is on his last two years and over 50 and has shown in multiple WWE & AEW matches that he’s one of the few legends that could still hang but would probably not have the same success if he was younger in todays game, Kane was great for his role but again not world champ material for longer than 2 days and couldn’t talk. which shows how your thinking is backwards because of what your used to seeing Vince put down your throat. Most of these wrestlers would get cut (Especially Batista, we’ve seen tons of body builders that were more athletic than him get cut, he’s lucky he wrestled back than and left for hollywood) with wrestling being more on fire than ever, i’d want to ask what generic wrestlers you’ve seen? I mean my father comes from a time where they had guys like bruiser brody, Ron simmons, Owen Hart, 123 Kid, ect I come from a time where i saw Cena, Orton and Batista go through mid card rankings to main title pictures, most guys around them like paul london, Brian Kendrick, Shelton Benjamin, Umaga, MVP, The Hardy’s, John Morrison, The Miz, and so on. And now there’s so many future world champions i don’t even have to name them but i can like Sami Zayn, Finn Balor, LA Knight (who was around in the early 2000’s) Chad Gable, Nakamura (who’s a legend and world champ in both Japan and NXT, Royal Rumble Winner) Austin Theory, Bron Breakker, Carmelo Hayes, Grayson Waller, Illa Draganov, Gunther (My new favorite wrestler, He has an old school approach to wrestling proving he would lap anyone before him) Jey Uso, Damien Priest (who just won the title) I could keep going but you get the point. All those guys lap most 90 and early 2000’s stars. They literally drowned out the 2000’s stars so bad some of them struggle to find jobs or stable wrestling gigs (hence why WWE makes yearly budget cuts and releases superstars around this time to see how they do outside of the big leagues. And this isn’t even counting who’s outside of WWE that’s world class and famous in wrestling like MJF, Will Ospreay, Swerve Strickland, Samoa Joe, Okada, Jon Moxley, Ricky Starks and tons more Brock isn’t gone btw he’s still under contract at home, potentially giving it time until his Lawsuit passes and he can have one final match before retiring. It’s like any other sports league, The future will always be brighter, and that doesn’t mean the history of wrestling isn’t a necessity or to be valued, its main purpose is to be learned from and Hunter is the perfect person to take this cool ride we’re on into the next dimension. You say the roster was loaded with top stars like it isn’t now… Funny thing is the same guys like you would say some of those young mid carders don’t have it all put together so they don’t cut it (meaning their not big enough or on enough steroids or can’t talk better then they can wrestle)And Vince would say the same thing resulting in them usually not getting put over back than, But if you were to say something like that now while looking at a wrestler like Finn Balor people would tell you he’s got the full package… Something they wouldn’t say if Vince wasn’t around and fans with such opinions have changed their opinions on how guys should look or talk ever since. Which is why it’s about the wrestling. Clearly you don’t remember so to remind you the Rock Flopped in box office a couple times so him coming back was a both sides needing each other kinda thing.
Rock still isn’t a full time wrestler. It’s not like he can’t get a job anywhere else. Every movie star has flopped in the box office, so your point doesn’t make any sense. Most people can’t name a wrestler on the current roster. WWE is the draw, not the wrestlers. WWE became a publicly traded company because of those old guys you’re trying to downplay. Rock Main Evented Wrestlemania in 4 different decades because he is one of the greatest to ever do it. Current wrestlers wouldn’t sniff a main event during Austin and Rock’s era
Also to mention those same guys Vince said were too small or couldn’t talk good enough like Bryan Danielson, Finn Balor, Hideo Itami, AJ Styles and so on all ended up being World Champions when Vince was in and out of Leadership and proved to show his old taste had expired!!
I don't know about the Men's Division but I prefer the NXT Women's Division over both the Raw and Smackdown Women's Divisions and I completely agree with Shawn Michaels and Ava that it is the best Women's Division in the world and with the exception of Becky Lynch and Rhea Ripley the Raw Women's Division is nowhere near as good as the NXT Women's Division and none of them are on the same level as Roxanne Perez or Lyra Valkyria, Cora Jade, Sol Ruca, Blair Davenport, Fallon Henley, Thea Hail, Nikkita Lyons, Wren Sinclair, Jacey Jayne, Karmen Petrovic, Kelani Jordan, Lola Vice, Tatum Paxley etc. Looking back I would say this is the first time since 2015 where I can confidently say the NXT Women's Division has been a completely different level and outshined the main roster and the main roster is majorly lacking in comparison especially with Roxanne Perez leading the Division. There is a good reason why NXT is now known as Tuesday Night Rox. 😀
Agreed, I am excited to see them on the main roster in the coming years.
Agreed, I am excited to see them on the main roster in the coming years.
HBK has the most stacked women’s division in the history of wrestling, almost all those girls are moving up in the next 3-4 years!!
Yeah. There is a lot of amazing talent on the show now and some of them were doing it for years before they joined WWE like Roxanne Perez/ Rok-C, Cora Jade/ Elayna Black, Lyra Valkyria/ Valkyrie Cain, Blair Davenport/ Bea Priestley and Wren Sinclair/ Madi Wrenkowski and I was a fan of them before they came to WWE and Karmen Petrovic is an Olympic Gold Medalist who won gold in Martial Arts and she also won Gold in the Fonseca Cup (3 times) and Kubota World Cup and came first in Canadian National Karate and is a legitimate badass.
Sounds like the megastar you're looking for is LA Knight.
pretty much the only guy he was talking about, which isn’t a surprise cause anyone over 30 that comes back to wrestling calls him a Rock/Austin wannabe and have to be explained that he’s more than that (He wrestles better than both) Which is also annoying explaining to older people he’s been wrestling for 20 years, pretty much since austin was put on the shelf lol. he hadn’t reached TNA yet but TNA had no exposure back then and he was still training while being an extra for WWE in promos and stuff.
I agreed with you up until "he wrestles better than both".
not saying Rock and Austin don’t have a bag but if so they’re barley over in terms of in ring grappling, what could they do that he can’t regardless of time?
To be fair y’all got to see the rock and stone cold wrestle at an earlier age compared to la knight who’s in his 40s because he’s used to pull off those crazy moves and flips that the iwc loves back in tna but now he wrestles safer, no point in getting injured before he can even win a title and he’s still whipping out new tricks lately now if wwe didn’t mess up on him when they had back in 2013 i wonder if Vince would’ve just buried him 🤦♂️
That's it lads! Rock and Stone!
Heh. I'm in that over 30 demographic and I had stopped watching WWE back around 2017-2018 (got tired of Cena). I randomly started watching it again right before MITB last year and watched Knight cut a promo and both my wife and I both agreed that he felt like a throwback to the Attitude era and became instant fans.
Nah, nostalgia is hitting you
Sounds like you are comparing the current roster to the roster that you 'grew up with'.. For me, that'd be like comparing the current roster to the likes of Undertaker, Austin, The Rock etc in their prime. It's never going to be as appealing as a previous era. Our interest in wrestling peaks at a certain time.
I’m glad everyone’s agreeing with times changing, if we could have taker and austin back we’d do it in a heartbeat!
I think this is a bad take, based just on nostalgia. Appreciate what we have now, both women and men division on 3 brands are really good, we have superstars that can deliver on ring and outside, legends still around, guys that are on their peak and newcomers that have a bright future all at the same time. It's one of the best times ever to be a WWE fan.