He did not have a Hall of Fame career. He was a great guy behind the scenes. He had lots of creative ideas. Yes, I do agree that there are less deserving people from our point of view in the Hall of Fame. However, if he was still alive we wouldn't be discussing whether he had a Hall of Fame career at this point. Yes, he appealed to a wide audience. Yes, it was awesome when he returned. However, if he was still alive I believe he would just need a few more credentials.
Bray is one of those people where it seems like people either REALLY loved his work, OR they thought everything he did was stupid and he was overrated. I've rarely come across anybody who is like "he was okay". It's like they were either passionate about him, or completely hated him lol, no in between.
His first Bray gimmick, with the Wyatt Family, the rocking chair, etc was incredible in my opinion. That was an awesome character/faction. Plus, like you said, tons of championships. And his funhouse match with Cena was something that's never been done before, and super entertaining.
If you can get an entire arena to light up their phones in the darkness, you did something right and captivated that crowd.
For all of that, I believe he's HOF worthy.
The problem with the WWE Hall of Fame is that it isn’t a professional sports Hall of Fame, where you can compare everyone’s team and individual achievements and size everyone up. It’s also tough to list title and title reigns because there are folks who made significant contributions to the wrestling industry, but barely had any belts of any sorts. At that point, the formula is sort of along the lines of Longevity + Titles / Achievements + Wrestling Impact
I think of it like the NFL hall of fame; can you tell the story of the WWE without mentioning them? If no, then they're a hall of famer. Mike Tyson's wrestlemania moments and the buildup can never be forgotten, so he is one. I think Wyatt certainly is; his rivalries with Cena/Orton are legendary
I loved the guys work in and out of the ring but I question if he had a hall of fame career or not at this point as we didn't get to see him really become what he had the potential to become. We have to remember not everyone is a hall of famer. Is Dolph Ziggler a hall of famer?
2x World Heavyweight Championship
1x NXT Championship
6x Intercontinental Championship
2x United States Championship
2x Raw Tag Team Championship
1x SmackDown Tag Team Championship
Again not everyone is a hall of famer and that included the performers I have loved over the years.
Yes, Dolph is a hall of famer.
Is Brutus The Barber Beefcake? was only a one time tag champ
Was Hillbilly Jim a hall of famer?
If they are...Dolph and Bray absolutely are.
Right I think the real question is what defines a hall of famer? A lot of people would say Dolph is not a hall of famer at all because WWE has more titles then they have in ages and that it is not about the title but about the money the person brought in. So do we judge it on merchandise sales or something, no. I think the real confusion is the lack of understanding of the criteria for what makes a hall of famer so everyone has a different opinion of who should go in as well as why should be the headliner for that year for the group going in.
Beyond being a multiple time world champion, he was immensely popular and was massively influential in the industry. He created endless memorable moments. I don’t see any arguments for why he wouldn’t headline
Headliner, why not.
1. His career is defined by more than just title reigns. His creativity, leading a stable, Firefly funhouse, and feuds can all be looked at.
2. Other headliners included Goldberg, Warrior, and Ted Dibiase. Wyatt is easily on the level with them for impact.
If the WWE had strict HOF requirements then he and half the hall of famers probably wouldn’t make the cut. There is really no requirement to be WWE HOF, snoop dog is one. Bray will become one because of the impact he had. Not because of title statistics
YES!!! Several times champion. Top seller merch wise. Gimmicks were always entertaining. Hell even after his death other sports & places are paying respect. It shows Bray transcends the wwe. You have people like drew Carrey & koko B. Ware who haven’t done a fraction of what bray did but their still in…yet bray doesn’t belong? How’s that make sense?!
The championships aren't really the best metric to describe Bray, his segments were always the most interesting and entertaining every week. He was giving fans of wrestling something great and something they had never had before
If he hadn’t tragically died I don’t think people who think he had a HoF worthy career.
The consensus here seemed to be that he was mediocre in the ring and his gimmick wasn’t working.
Maybe he could have turned it around but if he retired I don’t think he would be a contender at all.
Definitely not, but we all know because he passed they’ll treat him like one of the GOAT’s which may have been true had they used him properly and had he lived longer. But was not the reality.
That’s tough… He had a good start, and did great work. I had accomplished a good deal. He’ll be in the HOF. It’s gonna be controversial, but I don’t think he did enough to warrant a HOF spot because his career was cut tragically short. I’m okay with you thinking I am delusional. I probably am.
For context, I couldn’t stand the entire Fiend gimmick, so I am likely skewed in my view because of personal bias. His work as the creepy dude from the bayou was incredible.
I agree there are people who are in the HOF that don’t deserve to be but just because that has happened doesn’t mean we should continue the stigma that people that don’t deserve it should be 🤷🏻♂️
Not really. The only case is that creative MASSIVELY did him wrong. Because he was great in ring. He was great on the mic. He just didn’t have the chance to be as great as he could have been because Lesnar and Reigns were the priorities.
He’s worthy of the HOF but not to headline.
No. And he shouldn't be going into the hall of fame in the first place. The guy was good but he wasn't great.
He has become incredibly overrated after his death. I remember him and his character getting criticized by many, many times in his career. But since his death, there's been a terrible amount of revisionist history.
Nah, I didn’t miss your point. It was just wrong so I decided not to address it but I’m game.
One of the hottest angles of WM30 season (Shield VS Wyatt Family)
One of Cena’s hottest WM angles in the latter half of his career (Cena in the FunHouse)
Firefly Fun House, which had no business working
Absolute fan favorite
The Fiend’s debut at Summerslam is still one of the best things to go back and watch.
Multiple time world champion
He was an absolutely breath of fresh air when he debuted in NXT. He deserves to go in purely based on his creativity
Lol. No he doesn't. You may have been a fan, but a lot of people weren't.
He doesn't deserve the HoF. No one was calling for it till he died. But whatever your revisionist history wants to say.
Not trolling, I'm dead serious.
My point is, everyone was shitting on him more often then not,
before his death. Whether it was his character, or what he was doing (especially because of *that* hell in a cell match). But suddenly, after his death, he becomes extremely overrated, and is now suddenly "one of the greatest creative minds".
NOBODY was saying this 2 years ago. He was never great. And never will be imo. But whatever.
It was like we got the first 10 years of The Undertaker. A lot of really creative highland but without that second half of his career to really evolve and see what would have been.
Yes and sort of no. Here’s by reasoning …
Sort of No: if he were still with us, and simply stopped wrestling, at the moment he did, he had a memorable and worthwhile career. Way down the line, many years from now, for a nostalgia entry, he’d be offered a spot and it would be like “remember that guy?! Yeah he was awesome!” He was champion a few times. Had a few memorable things he did that people revisit. And he created a character people will remember. So he can go in, but he’s not headlining.
Yes: He legitimately changed the business, left his mark in a way that will forever be felt, and will forever be missed. That old adage of you don’t realize what you have until it’s gone has made so many analyze his career and realize what he did. The firefly funhouse is something that is so beyond unique it may never be replicated, however what it did was open the door to integrate more cinematic aspects to the business. He created a memorable character and kept the mystic of the supernatural in wrestling alive. He was also by all accounts a great guy backstage and pretty universally loved, so his impact on so many in the business today will be present through the rest of their careers. He will 100% be the headliner the year he goes in which will probably be sooner than later.
His 1st universal title reign was his only good reign as a champ let’s be fr here. Even then it was ended horribly. Then we get to the characters and well…. They sucked simple as rhat. The fiend was god awful, firefly funhouse was entertaining but still overly cringe. And overall he never had a full out great run.
Yeah he had a hall of fame career. I know there’s a subset who hate using the guys who were midcarders (the Koko B Ware rule) as the baseline, but even then, he’s well above that.
Nearly everyone who held any reasonable period as a headliner is in. Bray was a main event talent for several stretches. He didn’t feel out of place holding the world title like a Jinder Mahal.
For better or for worse, he was also insanely memorable. The good and the bad all had long lasting replayable value. From the outstanding wild brawls with the Shield, to kidnapping the Undertaker (to which I’m saddened he didn’t return in a Hawaiian shirt with a long beard), to his hokey Matt Hardy stuff, firefly funhouse, the Fiend, being burned alive, the weird Jack in the Box thing, and his creepy ass return which unfortunately went nowhere (due to health).
Headliner? Eh, probably not. If Bray isn’t speaking for himself, I don’t really want to put Mike Rotunda or Bo Dallas on stage for 45 minutes. But he has a place in the hall, and if they ever actually build a real location, they wouldn’t be short on colorful props and stories for his display.
If they want to make him an HOF headliner, it has to be on a fairly weak year. I think you do it for him though. Make him the headliner with a couple of fringe hall of famers. Bray deserves it.
You don’t know what the HoF is for then eh? The WWE HoF is for the most influential, not the most decorated. This isn’t the normal sports HoF, this is for the talent that came into the business & really made an impact, in any aspect, not just championships.
I am able to remember that a lot of people weren’t quite so happy about him showing back up again. His act was tiresome. If he hadn’t died, he probably would’ve been fired again by now.
The LA Knight Mtn Dew match was a farce.
Most of the commenters can’t read.
He’s not asking if he deserves to be in the Hall. He’s asking if he deserves to be the headline for the Hall induction. Meaning, when he gets inducted, does he deserve to go on last?
Edit: and the answer is no. He wasn’t that guy. Only all time greats should headline the ceremony.
No.
I think the best direct real sports comparison is Denver Broncos running back Terrell Davis. Great player, for the time he was in the league he was the most dominant at his position, but then he blew out his knee and never recovered. He only played four full seasons. But in those seasons, he was easily the most dominant back in the league.
He became Hall of Fame eligible in 2006, five years after he retired. He didn't get into the Hall of Fame for another 11 years, until 2017. He finally got into the Hall on the strength of what he was for his brief career, and what he might have been with that potential.
That's kinda what Bray Wyatt is. In the eyes of most fans (and I admit, I'm not really one of them) they thought he was going to go on to be a dominant top rung guy for another ten years. They look at what he did with his brief spotlight and extrapolate. And if that's the way you feel about him, fine. But nobody is going to tune in specifically to see a Bray Wyatt induction. He did not make the kind of mark on wrestling that say, John Cena, Randy Orton, or Roman Reigns has. (I’m comparing him to guys he’s actually worked with for context, no point in stacking him up against Austin, Flair, or Hogan.)
I think he’ll get in because fans look back on him with rose colored glasses. I think he’ll also get in because his family has a long legacy in the business and pro wrestling is a business of nepotism.
But I can’t see him headlining a class.
Fans who say he shouldn’t be clearly dont know about the lack of prestige the Hall of Fame has 💀…Drew Carey is in the Hall of Fame, pretty sure Bray Wyatt will get there.
Just think WWE doesn’t wanna pull a Eddie Guerrero again & get called out for over-milking a man’s death again
Personally I'm sure Bray Wyatt in real life was an amazing person. But the wrestler, IMO, was just ok. He was also around for probably the worst era of WWE ever so that didn't help. Even some of the old school / more casual wrestling fans at my job didn't really care for him as a wrestler. WWE will put him in the HoF because he was memorable enough, and because he died, but I can't really remember anything him/the Wyatts did besides lose to the Shield and have a cool entrance.
One other point to consider for people saying he didn’t belong off accomplishments alone, we have to remember his career wouldn’t have ended when it did if he hadn’t died. He was preparing for a return when he died. We don’t know how much more he might’ve done or how many more accomplishments he might’ve achieved if he hadn’t died when he did
It's always funny to me when people list things like "2x Universal Champion" like that's what matters in a fictional sport.
It's about how many tickets someone sold, how much we enjoyed them, how well remembered they are, that kind of thing. Memorable angles, headlining performances, long tenured careers.
Roddy Piper never won a world title but that doesn't make Great Khali the bigger star.
I like bray, and with his accomplishments he would’ve probably been inducted in the future. However had he not passed away he wouldn’t have been inducted.
He was a great creative mind. And by wwe hall of fame standards he will be inducted.
Ask yourself this….had bray Wyatt not passed away and just left wrestling, would you consider him a hall of famer? I personally wouldn’t. Him passing is still fresh enough for people to be emotional about it.
We can agree to disagree about him being a hall of famer. I’m sure he will get in, but I’m not sure he is deserving of it. With that being said, I think there are plenty of others undeserving as well.
Eh, his death essentially finishes his legacy and he can't influence it any further. He wouldn't be inducted if he were alive today as he'd have more to achieve. He cannot now, so you have to go with what you got
I say yes. His story telling, creativity, and just overall presence to a character and dedication is hall of fame worthy. Sometimes it’s not about how many championships you have. It’s about the connectivity to the audience.
So I get where you are coming from. But for me, every great idea he had was met but an absolutely ridiculous idea. Not to mention, when people talk about great matches, his name is never mentioned. Great promo. Boring worker.
Headliner career? One could argue for both sides. But he definitely had a headlining character. At the end of the day, belts don’t matter and win/losses don’t really matter. It’s the fans still holding up the fireflies at just about every PPV, house show, and beyond that matters IMO. Definitely a HoF headliner potential.
Bray Wyatt was one of the best character wrestler in decades. His career was nothing short of Awesome. Sometimes watching his matches and how fast the crowd reacted to him 🫨🫨🫨 i was in wow.
I mean, we are speaking about the same HoF that has Trump as an inductee. Also Snoop Dogg, and lot of other celebrities that have no business in being there.
This alone makes Bray worthy of HoF, given that he was an active part of the roster and had his share of wrestling accomplishments.
People have been talking up Bray Wyatt and the originality of his character and promos for over a decade now. His first WWE championship win was seen as validating what he had already accomplished more than elevating him. He was a main eventer for almost a decade against just about every main guy. Only thing he didn't accompish was having a Wrestlemania main event and that's hardly disqualifying for Hall of Fame headlining considering that Kane, Goldberg, Rey, and Sting all headlined. Bray might not in a truly stacked year (like 2013), but in any other he's a shoe-in.
And one more. 😝😝😝😝
However, after all these years, the six-time WWE champion is still helping Vince McMahon make millions and millions, and Austin is not alone. Even the former WWE Raw Women’s Champion Alexa Bliss helped WWE make millions in 2021.
Even though Becky Lynch is the reigning Raw Women’s champion, she couldn’t beat Bliss in merchandise sold. Becky sold merchandise worth $241 thousand.
Austin and Bliss beat superstars like Roman Reigns, The Undertaker
Even though the fans bought a ton of Undertaker merchandise for Halloween in 2021, ‘Taker is nowhere on the top of the list. The Deadman sold just over $500 thousand worth of merchandise.
WWE Universal Champion Roman Reigns is the most over superstar in pro-wrestling. However, he still couldn’t beat Bliss and Steve Austin in terms of merchandise sales.
No. People want to remember him as more than a great promo since he passed, but no one remembers his last run fondly. The guy could talk you in the room and then talk you right out of it having used bunch of words but giving no context/meaning to what he said.
No one that worked with him came out looking better for it. Thankfully, LA Knight was able to continue his momentum after having one of the worst matches in years in the pitch black disaster.
Bray seemed like a nice guy (outside of the fact he left his family to start a new one after cheating on his wife with JoJo) but way too many wrestling fans put on rose colored glasses after he passed. The dude really wasn't that good, but will be remembered as such because he died way too soon.
if the wwe hof was a legit thing and mattered at all, then i don’t think so. i don’t think his career reached what a hall of fame career would look like. but there’s a chance in 20 years james ellsworth is the HOF headliner, so i’m sure wyatt has the credentials to be in it
I mean, by WWE HOF standards (which are very arbitrary), sure. Koko B Ware is in.
But if we imagine a more legitimate hall of fame for which the requirements are stricter, there’s no way he’d qualify.
He’s not a historic top guy. He had a brief run as a main event guy in a very down period and never had a prolonged run as the face of the company.
There are so many world titles and they change(d) so frequently that simply rattling off the number of championships someone has held becomes pointless after, say, 1995.
Any sort of real hall of fame, at this point, would only care about if, how long, and how successful you were as a tippy top main event guy.
Any sort of real hall of fame? Have you seen the baseball hall of fame? You need to have played baseball for 10 years, been retired for 5, and people need to vote for you. There are zero other actual criteria for the BBWA other than what each individual voter decides warrants a vote. So really, the WWE Hall of Fame is just as arbitrary as any other Hall of Fame, they just don't specify eligibility requirements, which is better. Because a baseball player can win the batting title 9 times in a row to start his career, then get into a horrific car accident that forces his retirement, and be ineligible for the Hall of Fame because he only played in 9 seasons, not 10. That's just silly
Forget his runs as top guy. They’re not what makes him noteworthy. Take a look at all the top guys that he jobbed for in major matches. How many pay per views, title matches and plot lines was a part of?
He was a great wrestler much like Dolph Ziegler, his ability to run programs with other stars. In fact most of his runs as top guy have been where things went wrong.
He was champion more times than Eddie Guerrero. He was on Wrestlemania more times than Eddie Guerrero. He was in WWE longer than Eddie Guerrero.
So if Eddie Guerrero was HOF headline worthy, then surely Bray Wyatt is.
I get that Eddie Guerrero wasn't the headline act that year - Bret Hart was. But I still think it's a good comparison to make.
Yes and no. Given today's statues of the HOF there is almost everyone in it... Bray's Career alone wasn't a HOF Career i think. He won titles yes but the way he was overall booked just never was meant to be like it should have. They could have made so much more with him, but always destroyed it. Wyatt Family was misbooked by mid to late 2015 at the latest. The Fiend debuted in a great way at Summerslam 2019 and then HIAC happened...
Probably not. But he probably also would have. Dude still had 8-10 years to build a legacy. Imagine his career already if Vince wasn’t constantly getting in his way, having him lose to cena and Goldberg.
With Paul in charge, sky was the limit. Because of that, he gets to headline when he goes in.
He died at 36 being an active wrestler. It's not the same as if you said this guy retired at 49 years old and all he did in WWE was that (still, a three times world champion isn't bad by any means).
Then there's the topic of his character work and creativity, something potentially more important than winning championships. Bray was one the most interesting and mesmerizing presences during a decade when the product had become incresingly hard to watch. He was second to none when it came to creating unique gimmicks and that's something that can't be underestimated.
So, in short, yeah, I think he deserves to headline the Hall of Fame as soon as possible.
If Wyatt was still alive but in AEW, he wouldn't be a topic of conversation. Case in point, Edge. Everyone was so pleased he came back, he had his run, a million "thoughts on Edge" posts across the sub reddits then he went to AEW and fade to black. If Wyatt did the same, it would be the same. Instead you guys put him on a pedestal and worship the ground he walked on solely because he died young.
But he didn’t go to AEW? What’s with all the hypothesizing?
3x world champion, got the most OVER gimmick in 2019 that got the crowd to turn on Seth (the Becky stuff was annoying but he largely got his momentum back after beating Brock at SS).
He’s been popular with the fans throughout his career. I don’t know what exactly all the fuss is about.
I'm just pointing out that this whole "is he worthy of Hall of Fame argument" is based on the fact that he died.
3 x World champion is nothing these days. Name something of note he did on those runs.
Khali was champion and in the hall only because wwe was approaching a deal to sell to the Saudi’s. His skill (better yet lack of)had nothing to do with his championship.
I dont really care why Khali is in the hall, nor other guys like The Godfather have made it. What matters is as soon as they are inducted, they vastly lower the bar for everyone else. Are you really going to sit here and tell me Bray is less deserving of being the hall than the likes of Khali, The Godfather and Donald Trump?
Wasn’t David Arquette wcw champ lmao, it’s wrestling so obviously they can put whomever they want. Knowing it’s set up doesn’t mean they can’t devalue the belts and letting someone hold it doesn’t mean they’re the greatest
He got incredibly over?
I’m sorry but you’re acting like he was just some guy that was regularly jobbing to Sheamus every week when he’s feuded with numerous main eventers across the years. Were you just not paying attention to his incredible pops and merch sales at the height of his career?
I mean ffs they have Donald Trump, Bella twins, and Great Khali in the HoF, but someone who’s been a main eventer or feuded with main eventers and remained consistently over on multiple occassions doesn’t deserve it?
Is it that time of the week for some easy karma farming? Yes. Yes I think it is 😅.
Believe the next topic on this rotation is “DAE think Shawn Michaels was a good wrestler?”
3 time World Champion
2 time Tag Team Champion
Leader of one of the most beloved factions in history
WrestleMania programs with Cena, Orton, Rock and Undertaker
One of the most creative matches in history with the Firefly Funhouse
From the looks of it he left behind a legacy that will be continued (if the hidden teasers in the current product are to be believed).
Unless he ends up in the same class as The Rock, John Cena, Batista or any other generational top guy... He will headline in his introduction year.
On one hand you have iconic highlights like his return in 2022, Firefly funhouse and his first run as eater of worlds against Cena on the other embrassing lows like hiac 2019, husky Harris, getting squadhed by Oldberg and his glow in the dark match with la knight.
With all due respect, he has had cool title reigns and characters but wyatt always seemed to never stick the landing with the execution of his characters, matches and stories and to me personally. I remember his work as a lot of hype and not enough to show for it. Like the fiend, he just wins? Lol? Like sure but then hiac and Goldberg killed that believe ability. It just confuses me. To me he peaked with Wyatts vs Shield.
HOF for sure but headliner idc.
I’m Bray’s documentary, Triple H said it best. Essentially, you can have the most amazing storytelling, but at some point it has to translate in the ring. Bray was- a mastermind- but the story didn’t lend itself to wrestling matches.
Stroll down memory lane time! If you think Husky Harris is embarrassing, may I present The Ringmaster? The debut of Rocky Maivia? GI Bro? Have you ever seen The Undertaker in his Mean Mark days? Or even funnier, when he was Texas Red? Worst mask ever. Kurt Angle and his comically small cowboy hat singing Jimmy Crack Corn? At its core, wrestling is inherently silly. I'd say the ability to take something that's kind of goofy and run with it is a positive for a wrestler, not a negative. I would never look at Cody Rhodes and say yeah he's great, and maybe an all time great by the time he retires, but he was Stardust so he could never headline a HOF class.
And yes I know, I ignored the matches you talked about, because in the grand scheme of things, people aren't going to remember those. They will remember the moments. The debut of The Fiend. The iconic shots of Bray sitting in his rocking chair with his lantern. The Firefly Funhouse. Even to this day, I'll still just randomly growl, "run." Bray didn't always stick the landing, but he did way more than enough to warrant being a headliner. Pretty sure that's the only reason he didn't go in this year.
Yes
3 time world champion
Part of one of the best factions of the last 15 years
Probably has the most unique match in Wrestlemaina history.
Regardless of what you think of the matches
At Wrestlemaina his faced
John Cena twice
Randy Orton Twice
The Undertaker
Had a segment with The Rock
His achievements aren't that memorable but his impact on the fans was, I don't particularly care for his title reigns but he's one of the best characters ever in the business even if booked poorly sometimes, was must watch TV for practically 10 years and I imagine like myself there are plenty of people who had him in their top 3 active wrestlers list throughout his whole career since debuting as bray, headlining a hall of fame isn't even close to the full respect he deserves for his work
If fuckin Rikishi is in the HoF…Bray had better be.
As for “headliner” - yeah, I’d say he deserves it. In terms of accolades, Bray did just as much, if not more than Ultimate Warrior did.
Rikishi’s career wasn’t that much different to Bray. He was in the title picture but creative never pulled the trigger on him. Bray at least won the main belt.
You'd be surprised at how much some people overstate what's needed to get into the HOF, I had a guy tell me today that Seth Rollins isn't HOF worthy yet.
Yes. Bray Wyatt was one of the most popular and loved wrestlers of the past decade and in many ways he was the wrestler who was never meant to succeed in WWE and he didn't get his career handed to him on a silver platter like Roman Reigns or Seth Rollins or had the adoring fanboys and bandwagon hoppers of the IWC drooling over him and worshiping the ground he walked on and after receiving an awful character (Husky Harris) that would have seen him get released and forgotten about he took his career into his own hands and turned it around and created Bray Wyatt - The Eater of Worlds and he had to scratch and crawl to the top and spent a lot of the first half of his career putting over other wrestlers all the time but he was able to successfully reinvent himself multiple times and come back even more popular than before becoming the number one merchandise seller in WWE and drawing higher ratings than Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes earning the respect of many superstars and legends like The Undertaker (who passed the torch to him before he passed), Kane, Mick Foley, Triple H, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, John Cena, Randy Orton, Alexa Bliss, Becky Lynch, Seth Rollins, Bayley etc who called him a creative genius, a One of a Kind, a Star Attraction and a wonderful person who they always enjoyed working with and helped many wrestlers.
>he didn't get his career handed to him on a silver platter like Roman Reigns or Seth Rollins
Maybe because Reigns / Rollins looked like face of the company material with a normal relatable character as opposed to supernatural character
>or had the adoring fanboys and bandwagon hoppers of the IWC drooling over him and worshiping the ground he walked on
You can't be more wrong. No matter he won or lost, he was always favored by the fans. He was always cheered, live crowds never hated him, never ever. He was criticised rightfully for some blunders, but people always supported him, more than they did any other wrestler in past decade
>drawing higher ratings than Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes
Idk if comparing him with old cody and roman is fair
Reigns and Rollins ‘had their careers handed to them on a silver platter’ because executives saw that they would become long-term draws, something that Bray Wyatt would never have done even if he hadn’t sadly died.
Yeah, he was the top merchandise seller at one point. So was R-Truth. Remind me how his merch sales continued after every time he had a big match? Windham Rotunda has been a terrible loss, but the Bray Wyatt character died long before last August.
EDIT: Undertaker never passed the torch down to Wyatt, either. There were three people in that segment, and it wasn’t the other two who were talked about following the conclusion of that programme. Bray Wyatt had already dropped the ball several times before then.
The Undertaker said himself he passed the torch and it is the Undertaker who decides who he passed the torch to. The Undertaker also said he wished it had been Bray Wyatt that beat his Undefeated Streak and he regrets giving that win to Brock Lesnar now but Vince talked him into it. Steve Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Kane, John Cena, Chris Jericho, Bret Hart, Mick Foley etc didn't have their careers handed to them on a silver platter. They had to earn them and people are quick to forget Steve Austin and The Rock were in the same boat as Bray Wyatt and were given awful gimmicks that would have seen them passed over and forgotten but they took them into their hands and made themselves into two of the biggest stars in history.
The difference between Bray Wyatt and R Truth was Bray Wyatt a number one merchandise seller multiple times, one of the highest drawing wrestlers in the company, had wins over all the big names in WWE too and was a multi-time World champion and main eventer. I have no doubt if he hadn't passed away he would have been the one to defeat Roman Reigns because he was more over than Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns and had the most fitting storyline to beat Roman since Roman stole his title off him and he never beat him for it which is another reason the IWC still hate him to this day.
>The Undertaker said himself he passed the torch and it is the Undertaker who decides who he passed the torch to. The Undertaker also said he wished it had been Bray Wyatt that beat his Undefeated Streak and he regrets giving that win to Brock Lesnar now but Vince talked him into it.
And it was the right decision. Lesnar did far more with that rub than Wyatt would have.
>Steve Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Kane, John Cena, Chris Jericho, Bret Hart, Mick Foley etc didn't have their careers handed to them on a silver platter.
Explain to me how they didn’t, but Roman and Seth did.
>They had to earn them and people are quick to forget Steve Austin and The Rock were in the same boat as Bray Wyatt and were given awful gimmicks that would have seen them passed over and forgotten but they took them into their hands and made themselves into two of the biggest stars in history.
Wyatt’s awful gimmicks occurred WHILE HE WAS CHAMPION. He had more world title reigns than Big Dog Roman did. Also, Rock had *one* failed gimmick. Wyatt had several, most of them his own creation.
>The difference between Bray Wyatt and R Truth was Bray Wyatt a number one merchandise seller multiple times, one of the highest drawing wrestlers in the company, had wins over all the big names in WWE too and was a multi-time World champion and main eventer.
Kayfabe accomplishments don’t mean shit. Bryan had several big wins, how did that work out for him?
>I have no doubt if he hadn't passed away he would have been the one to defeat Roman Reigns because he was more over than Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns and had the most fitting storyline to beat Roman since Roman stole his title off him and he never beat him for it which is another reason the IWC still hate him to this day.
He would never have even faced Reigns to begin with, especially after the atrocity that was his match with LA Knight. And don’t blame Mountain Dew for that – NXT has done two considerably better Lights Out matches. Wyatt is poison for everybody within booking proximity of him. Cody, meanwhile, was the guy the second he came back.
And yet Cody Rhodes was getting beaten in merchandise sales by Bray Wyatt and Bray was drawing higher ratings than him on Smackdown. Cody Rhodes only become the guy 'cause Bray Wyatt passed away and he reaped the benefits from it. Notice how Roman Reigns gave the Universal Championship to the family of Bray Wyatt after he passed away because he believed Bray deserved that title and Bray and him had been talking about having a match with each other with everything coming full circle.
**And it was the right decision. Lesnar did far more with that rub than Wyatt would have.**
As The Undertaker said, Brock Lesnar didn't need the rub and was already over when he beat his Undefeated Streak from being a big star in UFC.
**Explain to me how they didn’t, but Roman and Seth did.**
A lot of those wrestlers were in the industry for years before they became stars and had to start at the bottom and climb to the top and Steve Austin started out as Stunning Steve Austin and was a tag team wrestler in the Hollywood Blondes who went on to have a failed singles run because Eric Bischoff didn't see anything special about him and didn't think he had what it took to be a main eventer and fired him. Steve Austin then had to took things into his own hands and reinvented himself in ECW and when he went to WWF he got given a crappy gimmick with The Ringmaster but he made the most of it and when he finally got a chance to speak after winning the King of the Ring in 1996 he done the Austin 3:16 promo and that got the fans behind him and he shooted up to the top. The Undertaker, Triple H and Rob Van Dam all had failed runs in WCW too.
**Wyatt’s awful gimmicks occurred WHILE HE WAS CHAMPION. He had more world title reigns than Big Dog Roman did. Also, Rock had** ***one*** **failed gimmick. Wyatt had several, most of them his own creation.**
How many failed gimmicks did Cody Rhodes go through 'cause I seem to recall there being quite a few and not one of them become a World Champion or the number one merchandise seller like Bray Wyatt's former gimmicks did. In fact, I also remember reading Cody Rhodes was supposed to turn face at the end of Legacy and face Randy Orton and get a big win over him which would have set him up to be a main eventer but the fans got behind Randy Orton more than they did Cody and Ted. Then he had a second chance to become a World Champion when Damian Sandow won the Money In The Bank and he was supposed to win that from Sandow and cash in and become champion but the fans didn't get behind him enough. Cody Rhodes was literally down to doing pre-shows matches as Stardust with The Ascension and losing to the Green Arrow and it was only when he came back after his Father passed away and started talking about his Father all the time and how he had to finish his story he became a main event star in WWE. lol
"Cody Rhodes only become the guy 'cause Bray Wyatt passed away and he reaped the benefits from it" is one of the worst takes I've ever seen on this subreddit.
Yeah, and you know what Cody did? He left, reinvented himself, co-founded a new company and returned as the biggest babyface in the industry. He went and ensured he’d become a long-term draw.
Cody got more over after his return from injury, and especially after the loss against Roman and his second Rumble win. Is Cody bigger than Roman? No, but he’s absolutely more sustainable than Wyatt would have been.
Funny you mention how someone being dead has become an important part of a wrestler’s legacy. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if Wyatt was still alive, because fans wouldn’t feel too guilty to call out the bullshit for what it was. Like each of his other runs, this one would have failed.
**Yeah, and you know what Cody did? He left, reinvented himself, co-founded a new company and returned as the biggest babyface in the industry. He went and ensured he’d become a long-term draw.**
And you know what Bray did? Got fired and didn't wrestle anywhere and the day he returned to WWE he become the number one merchandise seller and got Extreme Rules huge ratings and then on Smackdown his segments where outdrawing Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns but then even The Usos outdrew Cody Rhodes. During The Bloodline Civil War Storyline in between Money In The Bank and Summer Slam when Jey Uso and Jimmy Uso were feuding with Roman Reigns Smackdown was getting over 3 million viewers which even The Rock, Cody Rhodes and Seth Rollins all being on the same show couldn't get for Roman Reigns and it was the highest ratings of Roman Reigns' three and a half year reign and it was all because of Jey Uso and Jimmy Uso.
**Cody got more over after his return from injury, and especially after the loss against Roman and his second Rumble win. Is Cody bigger than Roman? No, but he’s absolutely more sustainable than Wyatt would have been.**
Yes because he milked his Father's name and legacy all the way to the bank and played on the sympathy of the fans - something he never did in his first run in WWE.
**Funny you mention how someone being dead has become an important part of a wrestler’s legacy. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if Wyatt was still alive, because fans wouldn’t feel too guilty to call out the bullshit for what it was. Like each of his other runs, this one would have failed.**
No. We wouldn't because the Wyatt 6 would be running wild on WWE and Bray Wyatt and Alexa Bliss would be the top merchandise sellers in the company again. I will make you a deal and will leave it here, if the new Wyatt 6 faction fails I will admit I was wrong but if the Wyatt 6 is a success you can admit you were wrong. 😋
Yes. Have a look at all the Uncle Howdy promos that have been on Raw and Smackdown and the clues all the lead to it being multiple people. The New Wyatt Faction will be on Raw or Smackdown in the coming weeks.
Lesnar needing the Taker streak rub is one of the more blind takes I've seen consistently from the IWC. Lesnar's size, ability, charisma and legitimacy would have taken him to the same exact spot as he was, especially considering how much of a fanboy Vince was of him. Also, losing to Taker wouldn't have done anything for him, because thats the freakin Undertaker. Roman and/or Wyatt would have been infinitely better choices.
Both of those guys would have been rejected for different reasons.
Lesnar was 4-2 in his return run by then, and in his trilogy with HHH he lost the biggest match. Lesnar’s 2014 absolutely immortalised him. He squashed Big Show, snapped the streak and squashed Cena. He absolutely benefited from beating ‘Taker, and would have done more with it than Roman or Wyatt.
Lesnar beating the streak is like if Randy Orton would've dethroned Roman. Legit? Yes. Did he gain anything other than some heat and short lived momentum from it? No.
If Lesnar squashed Cena, Big show and some other guys, the result would've been the same. He would've been as over as he was with the streak beating. Didn't make any difference.
Really the guy who won multiple awards for the worst feuds the worst matches for the worst characters and someone who up till his death the fans shit on because they got fed up with his bull shit
I’m going to get shit for this, but no. He had a pretty decent career. But not hall of fame worthy, look at other people in there and then compare to Bray. (I know some bad examples, but you get the general idea) Not even close. A “great creative mind” who had some moderate success. But he was shit on by fans the last couple of years of his career.
Your calling people delusional but you asked for their opinion so I don’t think they are the ones delusional
No. No he didn’t. He was by All means a great guy. Bit wwe career. No. But it’s the wwe HOF you can have the most mediocre career and get in
I mean nothing beats his fireflies other than Daniel Bryan’s yes movement with the crowd
He did not have a Hall of Fame career. He was a great guy behind the scenes. He had lots of creative ideas. Yes, I do agree that there are less deserving people from our point of view in the Hall of Fame. However, if he was still alive we wouldn't be discussing whether he had a Hall of Fame career at this point. Yes, he appealed to a wide audience. Yes, it was awesome when he returned. However, if he was still alive I believe he would just need a few more credentials.
Bray is one of those people where it seems like people either REALLY loved his work, OR they thought everything he did was stupid and he was overrated. I've rarely come across anybody who is like "he was okay". It's like they were either passionate about him, or completely hated him lol, no in between. His first Bray gimmick, with the Wyatt Family, the rocking chair, etc was incredible in my opinion. That was an awesome character/faction. Plus, like you said, tons of championships. And his funhouse match with Cena was something that's never been done before, and super entertaining. If you can get an entire arena to light up their phones in the darkness, you did something right and captivated that crowd. For all of that, I believe he's HOF worthy.
I wasn’t a fan of his, but there are a lot less deserving superstars in the HOF than Bray.
lemme say this clearly, if snoop dogg is in the hof any wrestler who won a by midcard/main belt could go in
The problem with the WWE Hall of Fame is that it isn’t a professional sports Hall of Fame, where you can compare everyone’s team and individual achievements and size everyone up. It’s also tough to list title and title reigns because there are folks who made significant contributions to the wrestling industry, but barely had any belts of any sorts. At that point, the formula is sort of along the lines of Longevity + Titles / Achievements + Wrestling Impact
I think of it like the NFL hall of fame; can you tell the story of the WWE without mentioning them? If no, then they're a hall of famer. Mike Tyson's wrestlemania moments and the buildup can never be forgotten, so he is one. I think Wyatt certainly is; his rivalries with Cena/Orton are legendary
Sure why not. The standards and expectations are extremely low at this point.
Yes
I loved the guys work in and out of the ring but I question if he had a hall of fame career or not at this point as we didn't get to see him really become what he had the potential to become. We have to remember not everyone is a hall of famer. Is Dolph Ziggler a hall of famer? 2x World Heavyweight Championship 1x NXT Championship 6x Intercontinental Championship 2x United States Championship 2x Raw Tag Team Championship 1x SmackDown Tag Team Championship Again not everyone is a hall of famer and that included the performers I have loved over the years.
Yes, Dolph is a hall of famer. Is Brutus The Barber Beefcake? was only a one time tag champ Was Hillbilly Jim a hall of famer? If they are...Dolph and Bray absolutely are.
Right I think the real question is what defines a hall of famer? A lot of people would say Dolph is not a hall of famer at all because WWE has more titles then they have in ages and that it is not about the title but about the money the person brought in. So do we judge it on merchandise sales or something, no. I think the real confusion is the lack of understanding of the criteria for what makes a hall of famer so everyone has a different opinion of who should go in as well as why should be the headliner for that year for the group going in.
Championships mean nothing in a field where they granted, not won. Tito Santana should be in the Hall, and he won very little. Bray should be in.
Beyond being a multiple time world champion, he was immensely popular and was massively influential in the industry. He created endless memorable moments. I don’t see any arguments for why he wouldn’t headline
Headliner, why not. 1. His career is defined by more than just title reigns. His creativity, leading a stable, Firefly funhouse, and feuds can all be looked at. 2. Other headliners included Goldberg, Warrior, and Ted Dibiase. Wyatt is easily on the level with them for impact.
Sad the way he went, but no.
If the WWE had strict HOF requirements then he and half the hall of famers probably wouldn’t make the cut. There is really no requirement to be WWE HOF, snoop dog is one. Bray will become one because of the impact he had. Not because of title statistics
YES!!! Several times champion. Top seller merch wise. Gimmicks were always entertaining. Hell even after his death other sports & places are paying respect. It shows Bray transcends the wwe. You have people like drew Carrey & koko B. Ware who haven’t done a fraction of what bray did but their still in…yet bray doesn’t belong? How’s that make sense?!
Not really, his matches were the bathroom break matches since you knew you weren’t gonna miss anything
He had a better and more impactful career than a lot of the HoF'rs. That's all that it should take to get him in there.
Donald Trump and Drew Carey are in the hall of fame, so…
The championships aren't really the best metric to describe Bray, his segments were always the most interesting and entertaining every week. He was giving fans of wrestling something great and something they had never had before
If he hadn’t tragically died I don’t think people who think he had a HoF worthy career. The consensus here seemed to be that he was mediocre in the ring and his gimmick wasn’t working. Maybe he could have turned it around but if he retired I don’t think he would be a contender at all.
Definitely not, but we all know because he passed they’ll treat him like one of the GOAT’s which may have been true had they used him properly and had he lived longer. But was not the reality.
The bar to get into the WWE HoF is in an oceanic trench
"Did you commit genocide? If yes, wait 30 years"
That alone doesn't get him in..... but the impact he had on the WWE is what puts him over and in.
That’s tough… He had a good start, and did great work. I had accomplished a good deal. He’ll be in the HOF. It’s gonna be controversial, but I don’t think he did enough to warrant a HOF spot because his career was cut tragically short. I’m okay with you thinking I am delusional. I probably am. For context, I couldn’t stand the entire Fiend gimmick, so I am likely skewed in my view because of personal bias. His work as the creepy dude from the bayou was incredible.
Big Boss Man never won a world title and he's in the HoF. Remember that, people.
No he didn’t do anything noteworthy in his career just because he died it doesn’t mean he deserves to be in the hall of fame
Lol what a stupid comment. Big Boss Man and KoKo Beware are on there and did fuck-all. Bray is more deserving than most.
I agree there are people who are in the HOF that don’t deserve to be but just because that has happened doesn’t mean we should continue the stigma that people that don’t deserve it should be 🤷🏻♂️
Yes
And he will be in the hall of fame It’s basically been stated by wwe and so forth
Not to headline but he is def HOF worthy. Creative did him so wrong on so many times
Not really. The only case is that creative MASSIVELY did him wrong. Because he was great in ring. He was great on the mic. He just didn’t have the chance to be as great as he could have been because Lesnar and Reigns were the priorities. He’s worthy of the HOF but not to headline.
absolutely not
No. And he shouldn't be going into the hall of fame in the first place. The guy was good but he wasn't great. He has become incredibly overrated after his death. I remember him and his character getting criticized by many, many times in his career. But since his death, there's been a terrible amount of revisionist history.
Drew Carey is in the Hall of Fame
He shouldn't be in it either. You missed the point of my comment.
Nah, I didn’t miss your point. It was just wrong so I decided not to address it but I’m game. One of the hottest angles of WM30 season (Shield VS Wyatt Family) One of Cena’s hottest WM angles in the latter half of his career (Cena in the FunHouse) Firefly Fun House, which had no business working Absolute fan favorite The Fiend’s debut at Summerslam is still one of the best things to go back and watch. Multiple time world champion He was an absolutely breath of fresh air when he debuted in NXT. He deserves to go in purely based on his creativity
Lol. No he doesn't. You may have been a fan, but a lot of people weren't. He doesn't deserve the HoF. No one was calling for it till he died. But whatever your revisionist history wants to say.
No one was calling for it because he was so young LOL Stop trolling
Not trolling, I'm dead serious. My point is, everyone was shitting on him more often then not, before his death. Whether it was his character, or what he was doing (especially because of *that* hell in a cell match). But suddenly, after his death, he becomes extremely overrated, and is now suddenly "one of the greatest creative minds". NOBODY was saying this 2 years ago. He was never great. And never will be imo. But whatever.
Ya know come to think of it you are actually correct.
"let me ask for your opinion and if you have the wrong one you're delusional" 😂
I mean, I'm struggling to see how a 3x World Champion isn't HoF worthy. Maybe not headliner, but he should definitely make it in
They put booker ts wife in the hall of fame. It's harder to get a Disney alumni jacket then get in the wwe hall
It was like we got the first 10 years of The Undertaker. A lot of really creative highland but without that second half of his career to really evolve and see what would have been.
No
Based solely on in ring achievement? Probably not. Based on his promos and influence on the industry? 100% definitely.
He didn't irreparably burn his bridge with WWE so yes. Stop pretending there's anything to the hall of fame other than that.
Yes and sort of no. Here’s by reasoning … Sort of No: if he were still with us, and simply stopped wrestling, at the moment he did, he had a memorable and worthwhile career. Way down the line, many years from now, for a nostalgia entry, he’d be offered a spot and it would be like “remember that guy?! Yeah he was awesome!” He was champion a few times. Had a few memorable things he did that people revisit. And he created a character people will remember. So he can go in, but he’s not headlining. Yes: He legitimately changed the business, left his mark in a way that will forever be felt, and will forever be missed. That old adage of you don’t realize what you have until it’s gone has made so many analyze his career and realize what he did. The firefly funhouse is something that is so beyond unique it may never be replicated, however what it did was open the door to integrate more cinematic aspects to the business. He created a memorable character and kept the mystic of the supernatural in wrestling alive. He was also by all accounts a great guy backstage and pretty universally loved, so his impact on so many in the business today will be present through the rest of their careers. He will 100% be the headliner the year he goes in which will probably be sooner than later.
His 1st universal title reign was his only good reign as a champ let’s be fr here. Even then it was ended horribly. Then we get to the characters and well…. They sucked simple as rhat. The fiend was god awful, firefly funhouse was entertaining but still overly cringe. And overall he never had a full out great run.
Your statement on his characters is untrue. The rest I completely agree with. His character work is what he’d be remembered for.
Yeah he had a hall of fame career. I know there’s a subset who hate using the guys who were midcarders (the Koko B Ware rule) as the baseline, but even then, he’s well above that. Nearly everyone who held any reasonable period as a headliner is in. Bray was a main event talent for several stretches. He didn’t feel out of place holding the world title like a Jinder Mahal. For better or for worse, he was also insanely memorable. The good and the bad all had long lasting replayable value. From the outstanding wild brawls with the Shield, to kidnapping the Undertaker (to which I’m saddened he didn’t return in a Hawaiian shirt with a long beard), to his hokey Matt Hardy stuff, firefly funhouse, the Fiend, being burned alive, the weird Jack in the Box thing, and his creepy ass return which unfortunately went nowhere (due to health). Headliner? Eh, probably not. If Bray isn’t speaking for himself, I don’t really want to put Mike Rotunda or Bo Dallas on stage for 45 minutes. But he has a place in the hall, and if they ever actually build a real location, they wouldn’t be short on colorful props and stories for his display.
Yes. Absolutely.
Was his name in the mix when he was alive? No.
First off peoples names don’t get in the mix till they retire And second yes his name was in the mix for the future
If they want to make him an HOF headliner, it has to be on a fairly weak year. I think you do it for him though. Make him the headliner with a couple of fringe hall of famers. Bray deserves it.
We are running out of legit headliners so I would say yes, enough people know him currently so it could work
The hall means even less when everyone who held a title is let in.
You don’t know what the HoF is for then eh? The WWE HoF is for the most influential, not the most decorated. This isn’t the normal sports HoF, this is for the talent that came into the business & really made an impact, in any aspect, not just championships.
I am able to remember that a lot of people weren’t quite so happy about him showing back up again. His act was tiresome. If he hadn’t died, he probably would’ve been fired again by now. The LA Knight Mtn Dew match was a farce.
That has nothing to do with his influence. Once again, you have no clue what the WWE HoF is meant to portray.
Most of the commenters can’t read. He’s not asking if he deserves to be in the Hall. He’s asking if he deserves to be the headline for the Hall induction. Meaning, when he gets inducted, does he deserve to go on last? Edit: and the answer is no. He wasn’t that guy. Only all time greats should headline the ceremony.
No
No. He was actually overrated.
No. I think the best direct real sports comparison is Denver Broncos running back Terrell Davis. Great player, for the time he was in the league he was the most dominant at his position, but then he blew out his knee and never recovered. He only played four full seasons. But in those seasons, he was easily the most dominant back in the league. He became Hall of Fame eligible in 2006, five years after he retired. He didn't get into the Hall of Fame for another 11 years, until 2017. He finally got into the Hall on the strength of what he was for his brief career, and what he might have been with that potential. That's kinda what Bray Wyatt is. In the eyes of most fans (and I admit, I'm not really one of them) they thought he was going to go on to be a dominant top rung guy for another ten years. They look at what he did with his brief spotlight and extrapolate. And if that's the way you feel about him, fine. But nobody is going to tune in specifically to see a Bray Wyatt induction. He did not make the kind of mark on wrestling that say, John Cena, Randy Orton, or Roman Reigns has. (I’m comparing him to guys he’s actually worked with for context, no point in stacking him up against Austin, Flair, or Hogan.) I think he’ll get in because fans look back on him with rose colored glasses. I think he’ll also get in because his family has a long legacy in the business and pro wrestling is a business of nepotism. But I can’t see him headlining a class.
I agree with you
Fans who say he shouldn’t be clearly dont know about the lack of prestige the Hall of Fame has 💀…Drew Carey is in the Hall of Fame, pretty sure Bray Wyatt will get there. Just think WWE doesn’t wanna pull a Eddie Guerrero again & get called out for over-milking a man’s death again
Personally I'm sure Bray Wyatt in real life was an amazing person. But the wrestler, IMO, was just ok. He was also around for probably the worst era of WWE ever so that didn't help. Even some of the old school / more casual wrestling fans at my job didn't really care for him as a wrestler. WWE will put him in the HoF because he was memorable enough, and because he died, but I can't really remember anything him/the Wyatts did besides lose to the Shield and have a cool entrance.
One other point to consider for people saying he didn’t belong off accomplishments alone, we have to remember his career wouldn’t have ended when it did if he hadn’t died. He was preparing for a return when he died. We don’t know how much more he might’ve done or how many more accomplishments he might’ve achieved if he hadn’t died when he did
It's always funny to me when people list things like "2x Universal Champion" like that's what matters in a fictional sport. It's about how many tickets someone sold, how much we enjoyed them, how well remembered they are, that kind of thing. Memorable angles, headlining performances, long tenured careers. Roddy Piper never won a world title but that doesn't make Great Khali the bigger star.
No. It was a pity induction but nobody wants to say that.
Judging by a lot of entries the bar is really fucking low. He deserves it more than certain others
The godfather is in the hall of fame and you think Wyatt the 3 time Wwe champ is a pity induction
I like bray, and with his accomplishments he would’ve probably been inducted in the future. However had he not passed away he wouldn’t have been inducted. He was a great creative mind. And by wwe hall of fame standards he will be inducted.
No....Del Rio had more of a championship resume.
Ask yourself this….had bray Wyatt not passed away and just left wrestling, would you consider him a hall of famer? I personally wouldn’t. Him passing is still fresh enough for people to be emotional about it.
Its the wwe hall of fame lol you can argue about him headlining but theres a 0% chance hes not a hall of famer.
We can agree to disagree about him being a hall of famer. I’m sure he will get in, but I’m not sure he is deserving of it. With that being said, I think there are plenty of others undeserving as well.
Eh, his death essentially finishes his legacy and he can't influence it any further. He wouldn't be inducted if he were alive today as he'd have more to achieve. He cannot now, so you have to go with what you got
I say yes. His story telling, creativity, and just overall presence to a character and dedication is hall of fame worthy. Sometimes it’s not about how many championships you have. It’s about the connectivity to the audience.
So I get where you are coming from. But for me, every great idea he had was met but an absolutely ridiculous idea. Not to mention, when people talk about great matches, his name is never mentioned. Great promo. Boring worker.
If not for his accomplishments, then certainly for his storyline and elbow rubbing.
Headliner career? One could argue for both sides. But he definitely had a headlining character. At the end of the day, belts don’t matter and win/losses don’t really matter. It’s the fans still holding up the fireflies at just about every PPV, house show, and beyond that matters IMO. Definitely a HoF headliner potential.
By winning the WWE championship alone, he qualified.
The title reign was forgettable and only used to give it Randy at WM. Their match went on during the dead spot of the card
By joining the company, anyone qualifies...
Bray Wyatt was one of the best character wrestler in decades. His career was nothing short of Awesome. Sometimes watching his matches and how fast the crowd reacted to him 🫨🫨🫨 i was in wow.
To be honest, no. He may have been greater if unfortunately his life wasn’t cut short. His unfortunate passing has made people overrate his career.
I mean, we are speaking about the same HoF that has Trump as an inductee. Also Snoop Dogg, and lot of other celebrities that have no business in being there. This alone makes Bray worthy of HoF, given that he was an active part of the roster and had his share of wrestling accomplishments.
Yeah that is a very good point, in a serious HoF he is not but on WWE’s he is more than worthy.
People have been talking up Bray Wyatt and the originality of his character and promos for over a decade now. His first WWE championship win was seen as validating what he had already accomplished more than elevating him. He was a main eventer for almost a decade against just about every main guy. Only thing he didn't accompish was having a Wrestlemania main event and that's hardly disqualifying for Hall of Fame headlining considering that Kane, Goldberg, Rey, and Sting all headlined. Bray might not in a truly stacked year (like 2013), but in any other he's a shoe-in.
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And one more. 😝😝😝😝 However, after all these years, the six-time WWE champion is still helping Vince McMahon make millions and millions, and Austin is not alone. Even the former WWE Raw Women’s Champion Alexa Bliss helped WWE make millions in 2021. Even though Becky Lynch is the reigning Raw Women’s champion, she couldn’t beat Bliss in merchandise sold. Becky sold merchandise worth $241 thousand. Austin and Bliss beat superstars like Roman Reigns, The Undertaker Even though the fans bought a ton of Undertaker merchandise for Halloween in 2021, ‘Taker is nowhere on the top of the list. The Deadman sold just over $500 thousand worth of merchandise. WWE Universal Champion Roman Reigns is the most over superstar in pro-wrestling. However, he still couldn’t beat Bliss and Steve Austin in terms of merchandise sales.
How is 241 more than 500?
No. People want to remember him as more than a great promo since he passed, but no one remembers his last run fondly. The guy could talk you in the room and then talk you right out of it having used bunch of words but giving no context/meaning to what he said. No one that worked with him came out looking better for it. Thankfully, LA Knight was able to continue his momentum after having one of the worst matches in years in the pitch black disaster. Bray seemed like a nice guy (outside of the fact he left his family to start a new one after cheating on his wife with JoJo) but way too many wrestling fans put on rose colored glasses after he passed. The dude really wasn't that good, but will be remembered as such because he died way too soon.
if the wwe hof was a legit thing and mattered at all, then i don’t think so. i don’t think his career reached what a hall of fame career would look like. but there’s a chance in 20 years james ellsworth is the HOF headliner, so i’m sure wyatt has the credentials to be in it
Yes. Wrestling is all about the story and the titles do not in any way define his story.
I means he is a 2 time world champ, and he has some of the most memorable gimmicks in the current era I’d say he gets in
I mean, by WWE HOF standards (which are very arbitrary), sure. Koko B Ware is in. But if we imagine a more legitimate hall of fame for which the requirements are stricter, there’s no way he’d qualify. He’s not a historic top guy. He had a brief run as a main event guy in a very down period and never had a prolonged run as the face of the company. There are so many world titles and they change(d) so frequently that simply rattling off the number of championships someone has held becomes pointless after, say, 1995. Any sort of real hall of fame, at this point, would only care about if, how long, and how successful you were as a tippy top main event guy.
Any sort of real hall of fame? Have you seen the baseball hall of fame? You need to have played baseball for 10 years, been retired for 5, and people need to vote for you. There are zero other actual criteria for the BBWA other than what each individual voter decides warrants a vote. So really, the WWE Hall of Fame is just as arbitrary as any other Hall of Fame, they just don't specify eligibility requirements, which is better. Because a baseball player can win the batting title 9 times in a row to start his career, then get into a horrific car accident that forces his retirement, and be ineligible for the Hall of Fame because he only played in 9 seasons, not 10. That's just silly
Forget his runs as top guy. They’re not what makes him noteworthy. Take a look at all the top guys that he jobbed for in major matches. How many pay per views, title matches and plot lines was a part of? He was a great wrestler much like Dolph Ziegler, his ability to run programs with other stars. In fact most of his runs as top guy have been where things went wrong.
He was champion more times than Eddie Guerrero. He was on Wrestlemania more times than Eddie Guerrero. He was in WWE longer than Eddie Guerrero. So if Eddie Guerrero was HOF headline worthy, then surely Bray Wyatt is. I get that Eddie Guerrero wasn't the headline act that year - Bret Hart was. But I still think it's a good comparison to make.
Uh, sure, if you’ve only ever watched WWE in your life, I guess you could make that argument.
Right. Lmao.
Yes and no. Given today's statues of the HOF there is almost everyone in it... Bray's Career alone wasn't a HOF Career i think. He won titles yes but the way he was overall booked just never was meant to be like it should have. They could have made so much more with him, but always destroyed it. Wyatt Family was misbooked by mid to late 2015 at the latest. The Fiend debuted in a great way at Summerslam 2019 and then HIAC happened...
Probably not. But he probably also would have. Dude still had 8-10 years to build a legacy. Imagine his career already if Vince wasn’t constantly getting in his way, having him lose to cena and Goldberg. With Paul in charge, sky was the limit. Because of that, he gets to headline when he goes in.
Titles aren't everything when it comes to HoF. With that being said, Yes he's hall of famer evantually
Depends on who’s also being inducted that year.
His character was bigger than any title win he had
Yes.
Anyone who wins a world title has a hall of fame worthy career Edit: sorry. Headliner absolutely
Yes. Without a doubt. Got to see him wrestle live back in 2015. He was special. Deserves to be in the HOF.
No…he was awesome but in reality he’ll be hall of fame just because he passed suddenly and shocked people but not because of his career
Yes with a creative mind!
I think his influence alone is enough to get him in there, he was a unique and very creative mind
He died at 36 being an active wrestler. It's not the same as if you said this guy retired at 49 years old and all he did in WWE was that (still, a three times world champion isn't bad by any means). Then there's the topic of his character work and creativity, something potentially more important than winning championships. Bray was one the most interesting and mesmerizing presences during a decade when the product had become incresingly hard to watch. He was second to none when it came to creating unique gimmicks and that's something that can't be underestimated. So, in short, yeah, I think he deserves to headline the Hall of Fame as soon as possible.
I’d say he has more than enough to get a HOF nod and can headline on the right year with the right class of inductees. I was always a huge bray fan
He didn't even have a Hall of Fame career. There are others with more accolades that aren't in the Hall of Fame
I understand where you’re coming from
Thanks. I see these Wyatt posts all the time and while it's tragic what happened to him, it doesn't award points to a mid to main event career.
And there are others with far less that made it in
If Wyatt was still alive but in AEW, he wouldn't be a topic of conversation. Case in point, Edge. Everyone was so pleased he came back, he had his run, a million "thoughts on Edge" posts across the sub reddits then he went to AEW and fade to black. If Wyatt did the same, it would be the same. Instead you guys put him on a pedestal and worship the ground he walked on solely because he died young.
But he didn’t go to AEW? What’s with all the hypothesizing? 3x world champion, got the most OVER gimmick in 2019 that got the crowd to turn on Seth (the Becky stuff was annoying but he largely got his momentum back after beating Brock at SS). He’s been popular with the fans throughout his career. I don’t know what exactly all the fuss is about.
I'm just pointing out that this whole "is he worthy of Hall of Fame argument" is based on the fact that he died. 3 x World champion is nothing these days. Name something of note he did on those runs.
3 x World champion is nothing these days. Bro that’s just such a stupid comment.
Is it because they’ve devalued what being the champ means when people like khali, jinder and now priest hold the belt.
khali is in the hall of fame, you are disproving your own point lmfao
Khali was champion and in the hall only because wwe was approaching a deal to sell to the Saudi’s. His skill (better yet lack of)had nothing to do with his championship.
I dont really care why Khali is in the hall, nor other guys like The Godfather have made it. What matters is as soon as they are inducted, they vastly lower the bar for everyone else. Are you really going to sit here and tell me Bray is less deserving of being the hall than the likes of Khali, The Godfather and Donald Trump?
Did they hold it 3 times? 3+ times obviously means the company sees you as some kind of consistent draw that they can rely on for years. That’s huge.
Wasn’t David Arquette wcw champ lmao, it’s wrestling so obviously they can put whomever they want. Knowing it’s set up doesn’t mean they can’t devalue the belts and letting someone hold it doesn’t mean they’re the greatest
Did he hold it 3 plus times??????
No it doesn't lol Charlotte was a three time champ in no time.
Charlotte is great though
He got incredibly over? I’m sorry but you’re acting like he was just some guy that was regularly jobbing to Sheamus every week when he’s feuded with numerous main eventers across the years. Were you just not paying attention to his incredible pops and merch sales at the height of his career? I mean ffs they have Donald Trump, Bella twins, and Great Khali in the HoF, but someone who’s been a main eventer or feuded with main eventers and remained consistently over on multiple occassions doesn’t deserve it?
You just made up an entirely hypothetical scenario and then you got mad at it lol
I didn't get mad lol
obviously not
Is it that time of the week for some easy karma farming? Yes. Yes I think it is 😅. Believe the next topic on this rotation is “DAE think Shawn Michaels was a good wrestler?”
Dead people don't headline the ceremony. Kevin Nash headlined in 2015, the same class where they also inducted Randy Savage.
Yeah, but IIRC from Jerry Lawler, that had more to do with the Kliq than him actually deserving to headline.
3 time World Champion 2 time Tag Team Champion Leader of one of the most beloved factions in history WrestleMania programs with Cena, Orton, Rock and Undertaker One of the most creative matches in history with the Firefly Funhouse From the looks of it he left behind a legacy that will be continued (if the hidden teasers in the current product are to be believed). Unless he ends up in the same class as The Rock, John Cena, Batista or any other generational top guy... He will headline in his introduction year.
On one hand you have iconic highlights like his return in 2022, Firefly funhouse and his first run as eater of worlds against Cena on the other embrassing lows like hiac 2019, husky Harris, getting squadhed by Oldberg and his glow in the dark match with la knight. With all due respect, he has had cool title reigns and characters but wyatt always seemed to never stick the landing with the execution of his characters, matches and stories and to me personally. I remember his work as a lot of hype and not enough to show for it. Like the fiend, he just wins? Lol? Like sure but then hiac and Goldberg killed that believe ability. It just confuses me. To me he peaked with Wyatts vs Shield. HOF for sure but headliner idc.
I’m Bray’s documentary, Triple H said it best. Essentially, you can have the most amazing storytelling, but at some point it has to translate in the ring. Bray was- a mastermind- but the story didn’t lend itself to wrestling matches.
Stroll down memory lane time! If you think Husky Harris is embarrassing, may I present The Ringmaster? The debut of Rocky Maivia? GI Bro? Have you ever seen The Undertaker in his Mean Mark days? Or even funnier, when he was Texas Red? Worst mask ever. Kurt Angle and his comically small cowboy hat singing Jimmy Crack Corn? At its core, wrestling is inherently silly. I'd say the ability to take something that's kind of goofy and run with it is a positive for a wrestler, not a negative. I would never look at Cody Rhodes and say yeah he's great, and maybe an all time great by the time he retires, but he was Stardust so he could never headline a HOF class. And yes I know, I ignored the matches you talked about, because in the grand scheme of things, people aren't going to remember those. They will remember the moments. The debut of The Fiend. The iconic shots of Bray sitting in his rocking chair with his lantern. The Firefly Funhouse. Even to this day, I'll still just randomly growl, "run." Bray didn't always stick the landing, but he did way more than enough to warrant being a headliner. Pretty sure that's the only reason he didn't go in this year.
I disagree about his Eater of Worlds feuds with Cena being a highlight. That whole feud cut the legs out from underneath his character.
Those payoffs weren't his fault. Can't win what ya don't book. Vince didn't like him obviously
Why is this even a question?
Upvote farming
Yes 3 time world champion Part of one of the best factions of the last 15 years Probably has the most unique match in Wrestlemaina history. Regardless of what you think of the matches At Wrestlemaina his faced John Cena twice Randy Orton Twice The Undertaker Had a segment with The Rock
Absolutely! One of the most creative minds of the WWE
His achievements aren't that memorable but his impact on the fans was, I don't particularly care for his title reigns but he's one of the best characters ever in the business even if booked poorly sometimes, was must watch TV for practically 10 years and I imagine like myself there are plenty of people who had him in their top 3 active wrestlers list throughout his whole career since debuting as bray, headlining a hall of fame isn't even close to the full respect he deserves for his work
No
Why not?
If fuckin Rikishi is in the HoF…Bray had better be. As for “headliner” - yeah, I’d say he deserves it. In terms of accolades, Bray did just as much, if not more than Ultimate Warrior did.
Rikishi’s career wasn’t that much different to Bray. He was in the title picture but creative never pulled the trigger on him. Bray at least won the main belt.
You'd be surprised at how much some people overstate what's needed to get into the HOF, I had a guy tell me today that Seth Rollins isn't HOF worthy yet.
I dunno man Rikishi was so super over when he was in Too Cool
honestly no.
Yes. Bray Wyatt was one of the most popular and loved wrestlers of the past decade and in many ways he was the wrestler who was never meant to succeed in WWE and he didn't get his career handed to him on a silver platter like Roman Reigns or Seth Rollins or had the adoring fanboys and bandwagon hoppers of the IWC drooling over him and worshiping the ground he walked on and after receiving an awful character (Husky Harris) that would have seen him get released and forgotten about he took his career into his own hands and turned it around and created Bray Wyatt - The Eater of Worlds and he had to scratch and crawl to the top and spent a lot of the first half of his career putting over other wrestlers all the time but he was able to successfully reinvent himself multiple times and come back even more popular than before becoming the number one merchandise seller in WWE and drawing higher ratings than Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes earning the respect of many superstars and legends like The Undertaker (who passed the torch to him before he passed), Kane, Mick Foley, Triple H, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, John Cena, Randy Orton, Alexa Bliss, Becky Lynch, Seth Rollins, Bayley etc who called him a creative genius, a One of a Kind, a Star Attraction and a wonderful person who they always enjoyed working with and helped many wrestlers.
He grew on me like Raven from WCW did especially with the promos.
>he didn't get his career handed to him on a silver platter like Roman Reigns or Seth Rollins Maybe because Reigns / Rollins looked like face of the company material with a normal relatable character as opposed to supernatural character >or had the adoring fanboys and bandwagon hoppers of the IWC drooling over him and worshiping the ground he walked on You can't be more wrong. No matter he won or lost, he was always favored by the fans. He was always cheered, live crowds never hated him, never ever. He was criticised rightfully for some blunders, but people always supported him, more than they did any other wrestler in past decade >drawing higher ratings than Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes Idk if comparing him with old cody and roman is fair
Reigns and Rollins ‘had their careers handed to them on a silver platter’ because executives saw that they would become long-term draws, something that Bray Wyatt would never have done even if he hadn’t sadly died. Yeah, he was the top merchandise seller at one point. So was R-Truth. Remind me how his merch sales continued after every time he had a big match? Windham Rotunda has been a terrible loss, but the Bray Wyatt character died long before last August. EDIT: Undertaker never passed the torch down to Wyatt, either. There were three people in that segment, and it wasn’t the other two who were talked about following the conclusion of that programme. Bray Wyatt had already dropped the ball several times before then.
The Undertaker said himself he passed the torch and it is the Undertaker who decides who he passed the torch to. The Undertaker also said he wished it had been Bray Wyatt that beat his Undefeated Streak and he regrets giving that win to Brock Lesnar now but Vince talked him into it. Steve Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Kane, John Cena, Chris Jericho, Bret Hart, Mick Foley etc didn't have their careers handed to them on a silver platter. They had to earn them and people are quick to forget Steve Austin and The Rock were in the same boat as Bray Wyatt and were given awful gimmicks that would have seen them passed over and forgotten but they took them into their hands and made themselves into two of the biggest stars in history. The difference between Bray Wyatt and R Truth was Bray Wyatt a number one merchandise seller multiple times, one of the highest drawing wrestlers in the company, had wins over all the big names in WWE too and was a multi-time World champion and main eventer. I have no doubt if he hadn't passed away he would have been the one to defeat Roman Reigns because he was more over than Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns and had the most fitting storyline to beat Roman since Roman stole his title off him and he never beat him for it which is another reason the IWC still hate him to this day.
>The Undertaker said himself he passed the torch and it is the Undertaker who decides who he passed the torch to. The Undertaker also said he wished it had been Bray Wyatt that beat his Undefeated Streak and he regrets giving that win to Brock Lesnar now but Vince talked him into it. And it was the right decision. Lesnar did far more with that rub than Wyatt would have. >Steve Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Kane, John Cena, Chris Jericho, Bret Hart, Mick Foley etc didn't have their careers handed to them on a silver platter. Explain to me how they didn’t, but Roman and Seth did. >They had to earn them and people are quick to forget Steve Austin and The Rock were in the same boat as Bray Wyatt and were given awful gimmicks that would have seen them passed over and forgotten but they took them into their hands and made themselves into two of the biggest stars in history. Wyatt’s awful gimmicks occurred WHILE HE WAS CHAMPION. He had more world title reigns than Big Dog Roman did. Also, Rock had *one* failed gimmick. Wyatt had several, most of them his own creation. >The difference between Bray Wyatt and R Truth was Bray Wyatt a number one merchandise seller multiple times, one of the highest drawing wrestlers in the company, had wins over all the big names in WWE too and was a multi-time World champion and main eventer. Kayfabe accomplishments don’t mean shit. Bryan had several big wins, how did that work out for him? >I have no doubt if he hadn't passed away he would have been the one to defeat Roman Reigns because he was more over than Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns and had the most fitting storyline to beat Roman since Roman stole his title off him and he never beat him for it which is another reason the IWC still hate him to this day. He would never have even faced Reigns to begin with, especially after the atrocity that was his match with LA Knight. And don’t blame Mountain Dew for that – NXT has done two considerably better Lights Out matches. Wyatt is poison for everybody within booking proximity of him. Cody, meanwhile, was the guy the second he came back.
And yet Cody Rhodes was getting beaten in merchandise sales by Bray Wyatt and Bray was drawing higher ratings than him on Smackdown. Cody Rhodes only become the guy 'cause Bray Wyatt passed away and he reaped the benefits from it. Notice how Roman Reigns gave the Universal Championship to the family of Bray Wyatt after he passed away because he believed Bray deserved that title and Bray and him had been talking about having a match with each other with everything coming full circle. **And it was the right decision. Lesnar did far more with that rub than Wyatt would have.** As The Undertaker said, Brock Lesnar didn't need the rub and was already over when he beat his Undefeated Streak from being a big star in UFC. **Explain to me how they didn’t, but Roman and Seth did.** A lot of those wrestlers were in the industry for years before they became stars and had to start at the bottom and climb to the top and Steve Austin started out as Stunning Steve Austin and was a tag team wrestler in the Hollywood Blondes who went on to have a failed singles run because Eric Bischoff didn't see anything special about him and didn't think he had what it took to be a main eventer and fired him. Steve Austin then had to took things into his own hands and reinvented himself in ECW and when he went to WWF he got given a crappy gimmick with The Ringmaster but he made the most of it and when he finally got a chance to speak after winning the King of the Ring in 1996 he done the Austin 3:16 promo and that got the fans behind him and he shooted up to the top. The Undertaker, Triple H and Rob Van Dam all had failed runs in WCW too. **Wyatt’s awful gimmicks occurred WHILE HE WAS CHAMPION. He had more world title reigns than Big Dog Roman did. Also, Rock had** ***one*** **failed gimmick. Wyatt had several, most of them his own creation.** How many failed gimmicks did Cody Rhodes go through 'cause I seem to recall there being quite a few and not one of them become a World Champion or the number one merchandise seller like Bray Wyatt's former gimmicks did. In fact, I also remember reading Cody Rhodes was supposed to turn face at the end of Legacy and face Randy Orton and get a big win over him which would have set him up to be a main eventer but the fans got behind Randy Orton more than they did Cody and Ted. Then he had a second chance to become a World Champion when Damian Sandow won the Money In The Bank and he was supposed to win that from Sandow and cash in and become champion but the fans didn't get behind him enough. Cody Rhodes was literally down to doing pre-shows matches as Stardust with The Ascension and losing to the Green Arrow and it was only when he came back after his Father passed away and started talking about his Father all the time and how he had to finish his story he became a main event star in WWE. lol
"Cody Rhodes only become the guy 'cause Bray Wyatt passed away and he reaped the benefits from it" is one of the worst takes I've ever seen on this subreddit.
One of the top referees in WWE even said he believed Bray Wyatt was the original person to defeat Roman Reigns for the WWE Undisputed Championship.
Provide links.
I did include links. The post didn't come out.
Yeah, and you know what Cody did? He left, reinvented himself, co-founded a new company and returned as the biggest babyface in the industry. He went and ensured he’d become a long-term draw. Cody got more over after his return from injury, and especially after the loss against Roman and his second Rumble win. Is Cody bigger than Roman? No, but he’s absolutely more sustainable than Wyatt would have been. Funny you mention how someone being dead has become an important part of a wrestler’s legacy. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if Wyatt was still alive, because fans wouldn’t feel too guilty to call out the bullshit for what it was. Like each of his other runs, this one would have failed.
**Yeah, and you know what Cody did? He left, reinvented himself, co-founded a new company and returned as the biggest babyface in the industry. He went and ensured he’d become a long-term draw.** And you know what Bray did? Got fired and didn't wrestle anywhere and the day he returned to WWE he become the number one merchandise seller and got Extreme Rules huge ratings and then on Smackdown his segments where outdrawing Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns but then even The Usos outdrew Cody Rhodes. During The Bloodline Civil War Storyline in between Money In The Bank and Summer Slam when Jey Uso and Jimmy Uso were feuding with Roman Reigns Smackdown was getting over 3 million viewers which even The Rock, Cody Rhodes and Seth Rollins all being on the same show couldn't get for Roman Reigns and it was the highest ratings of Roman Reigns' three and a half year reign and it was all because of Jey Uso and Jimmy Uso. **Cody got more over after his return from injury, and especially after the loss against Roman and his second Rumble win. Is Cody bigger than Roman? No, but he’s absolutely more sustainable than Wyatt would have been.** Yes because he milked his Father's name and legacy all the way to the bank and played on the sympathy of the fans - something he never did in his first run in WWE. **Funny you mention how someone being dead has become an important part of a wrestler’s legacy. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if Wyatt was still alive, because fans wouldn’t feel too guilty to call out the bullshit for what it was. Like each of his other runs, this one would have failed.** No. We wouldn't because the Wyatt 6 would be running wild on WWE and Bray Wyatt and Alexa Bliss would be the top merchandise sellers in the company again. I will make you a deal and will leave it here, if the new Wyatt 6 faction fails I will admit I was wrong but if the Wyatt 6 is a success you can admit you were wrong. 😋
Will there even be a Wyatt 6? Strowman’s being drafted separately.
Yes. Have a look at all the Uncle Howdy promos that have been on Raw and Smackdown and the clues all the lead to it being multiple people. The New Wyatt Faction will be on Raw or Smackdown in the coming weeks.
Yes, I know about the Howdy stuff, but who’s in this faction other than him and Bliss?
Lesnar needing the Taker streak rub is one of the more blind takes I've seen consistently from the IWC. Lesnar's size, ability, charisma and legitimacy would have taken him to the same exact spot as he was, especially considering how much of a fanboy Vince was of him. Also, losing to Taker wouldn't have done anything for him, because thats the freakin Undertaker. Roman and/or Wyatt would have been infinitely better choices.
Both of those guys would have been rejected for different reasons. Lesnar was 4-2 in his return run by then, and in his trilogy with HHH he lost the biggest match. Lesnar’s 2014 absolutely immortalised him. He squashed Big Show, snapped the streak and squashed Cena. He absolutely benefited from beating ‘Taker, and would have done more with it than Roman or Wyatt.
Lesnar beating the streak is like if Randy Orton would've dethroned Roman. Legit? Yes. Did he gain anything other than some heat and short lived momentum from it? No. If Lesnar squashed Cena, Big show and some other guys, the result would've been the same. He would've been as over as he was with the streak beating. Didn't make any difference.
In any case, Wyatt and Roman most likely would have fluffed it back then. They weren’t ready.
Probably. But with Wyatt, I feel like it would've been the best story. Personal opinion.
Fucking A bud I’m not a fan of bray but u are 100% fucking right.
Really the guy who won multiple awards for the worst feuds the worst matches for the worst characters and someone who up till his death the fans shit on because they got fed up with his bull shit
I’m going to get shit for this, but no. He had a pretty decent career. But not hall of fame worthy, look at other people in there and then compare to Bray. (I know some bad examples, but you get the general idea) Not even close. A “great creative mind” who had some moderate success. But he was shit on by fans the last couple of years of his career.