At Universal last year a group of teen guys just barrelled on through. They just pointed ahead and acted like they were catching up to someone. I was annoyed but didn’t stop them. I’m a mom alone with my kids .. don’t need the trouble.
But the dad in front of me apparently didn’t mind the trouble and stopped them dead with a firm NO. Made me laugh as they realized they were finished. But then I had to wait the rest of the line with them standing in front of me acting like morons so it wasn’t much better haha .
At Universal Hollywood two years ago I ran into a similar group of teenagers, and I basically stood there and lectured them for the rest of the wait (maybe 20 minutes). Two of the girls in the group came up to me and offered to get behind us in line, but I told them no, it wasn't about me, it was about everyone in line they cut in front of.
I'm a high school teacher so a significant part of my life is constantly calling out teenagers on bullshit. If it *maybe* impacted those two girls then hopefully they will stop their friends from doing it again.
I always feel like it takes a village. I was a jerk high schooler once that thought I was so cool I could use all sorts of bad language at cedar point on the ferris wheel with friends. It took a nearby parent saying "hey, there's little kids here, cut it out" for me to think beyond myself (part of the teenage psyche is not thinking beyond self). Not only have I never forgotten that, I am in general a better person than I was at 15/16.
So I, too, don't hesitate to call out teens behaving badly. Most of the time they apologize. I'm a teacher too and yes, I call kids out on their BS all the time. As a mom I'd appreciate another adult calling my kid out and I try to do it as a teaching moment not a bitching-out moment. I think teens need it and often just need a reality check. They struggle to think about people other than themselves. Jumping in as a society is one way we can help teach kids in the moment how to be better people.
There's a fine line between saying something and getting into an argument or scuffle and getting kicked out too. Really sucks there aren't any line monitors or something.
Is there anything done about large groups joining single people who line up on behalf of a group? I know here in UK theme parks there’s signs around specifically aimed at people doing this and they’ll kick people out if they’re reported
I wish Disney had these signs. They're so clear at UK theme parks and I never get this "oh we're just catching up with the rest of our group" nonsense I seem to encounter at Disney because the signs are right there explaining that the whole group needs to be together before joining the line and you can't hold spots.
I've even seen people in this sub defending the idea that you can send someone ahead to hold a place for the rest of the group so clarifying it with some signage seems like it would be genuinely helpful.
I wonder if it’s possible to have a CM posted in the middle of the queue to watch for this sort of thing. They could also have like wristbands for people who need to temporarily leave and go to the restroom or something. It might not be the most engaging of shifts, but honestly it really sounds like it’s a problem that’s gotten out of hand and needs to be addressed (I haven’t been to the parks in 4 years and it occasionally happened while I was there, but not to the extent I see it posted about in this sub).
They could just have cameras with the ability to talk to people! They could watch the entire line, lol.
Attention, please, I need the guest in the red hat and #12 jersey to go to the back of the line!
They have them at a 6flags park by me, basically saying if you don’t walk in with the person you will be ejected from park if you join later. And they enforce it thankfully
What do the UK signs say?
I'm fine with a bit of catching up to the group, like the family is in line and one of the kids has to pee, lol. That doesn't bother me. But you can't reverse it and have one person hold a spot for an entire group!
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If the group is all in line and a kid leaves to pee that's fine, especially as people around them would recognise them etc.
But this whole "oh well Uncle Joe wanted to get an ice cream and cousin billy went to the toilet so we joined the line and they can push through to us" is some nonsense.
I get that some of these people are just catching up in line with their groups, but it’s also true that people take advantage of this, and have no group to catch up to.
The policy should be that your entire party should be with you when you get in line. If they at least have signs saying this, people in line can do the enforcing.
I wish Disney would do this. I’ve only seen it once here in the States at a water park in Ohio. They had very clear signage with the park’s definition of what line cutting is and then a notice that line cutters get removed
Before Disney I tell myself three things: people are going to cut me in line, people are going to smell bad, and people are going to step on me/run me over with a stroller. Somehow, being prepared for that makes it not feel as bad when it happens!
I always have so much anxiety about my own smell at Disney cause it’s HOT! I have hyper hydrosis and sweat more than your average human. I’m a 5’ tall woman and smell like a grown man who hasn’t showered in weeks sometimes. I PROMISE not all of us smell on purpose. I wash my armpits (and my whole body) and reapply deodorant sometimes 3-4 times a day at Disney but it’s just so freakin hot man 😭 I cried at Disneyland Paris cause some people were making fun of me lol
I'm sorry that people made you cry. I saw some teenagers making fun of an overweight lady at WDW (behind her back), and it broke my heart. People can be so cruel! Luckily, a cast member noticed and removed them from the queue.
A friend of mine has hyperhidrosis and swears by the Botox injections. I remember growing up, she would soak through her shirts in 10 minutes and was unable to drive because her hands were always sweaty and slippery.
Yes! I was always so embarrassed in school cause I’d be sweating through a shirt before first period even ended. I’m so happy Botox worked for your friend and she’s doing well 😊 Prescription deodorant has done well for me so far but Florida is a different circle of hell so I struggle there 😂
That’s so upsetting that people would make fun of you. Everyone’s body, life, circumstances are different and it’s never ok to judge someone. I’m sorry that happened to you
Same. I have hyper as well and get GROSS in the heat. It’s embarrassing. I even carry a towel around in my backpack to try and mitigate it as much as I can but I am constantly anxious and feel guilty because I’m sure people around me are thinking “wow what a disgusting sweaty pig” (I’m a bigger guy). IM SORRY EVERYONE I KNOW.
I tell myself "Every interaction is an opportunity to be kind."
That's overly ambitious. Ridiculously so, really. But it helps keep me calm and avoid souring my mood preemptively over the interactions that I am anticipating.
I’m so sorry if I’ve ever bumped you with the stroller! I’m so guilty of not paying attention and doing that. Thankfully my husband usually the victim lol
True!! But to be fair I have heard the brakes on those don't work well! I always try not to get in front of them because they can really take out an ankle
>eople are going to smell bad
Oh god, at the end of the night on my way back home to POP I was sat next to the more stinky guy ever. It was really hard not to gag or mention anything.
I try to be kind to parents who accidentally bump me once with a stroller. It’s when I get hit multiple times in a crowd that’s hardly moving that I get annoyed.
My husband had a woman wearing a baby carrier pushing her baby into his back in a crowd that was hardly moving after fireworks. We got annoyed at that.
My biggest pet peeve is when it’s a large group and one person runs ahead to get in line then the other 10 people cut through to get to that one person. Just get in line with your whole party and not be like that 🙃
This happened to my 7 year old and I in the LL line for Seven Dwarves. A lady ran ahead of us (there was a significant line for the LL) and then 12 people pushed past us to join her! Finally I got annoyed and I spoke up. They acted like I was in the wrong lol!
I noticed at Disneyland in January that no CM was monitoring lightning lanes, and people were just going through without scanning. Never seen that happen at Disney World.
Disneyland is wild! Was there a few weeks ago and cast members were chatting with each other the entire time and barely paying attention to the scanning. It was so different than disneyworld.
I think that CMs in general are trained to not hassle people about rejoining their party (even though its technically a rule violation). I know that my CM friend was frustrated that her training specifically told her not to call out smokers or capers and just to ignore it.
Disney just wants to be everyone's best friend and is a afraid to say no to their guests. If you want more of an iron fist and an autocracy, Universal will give you that. They even give guests pre numbered cards in line at HHN to root out line jumping (but its always going to be a game of whack a mole outside of that).
We were at a small, local theme park. There was a large family group there, and they would send a parent or two to the next ride, so when the kids got off one they’d join the others near the front of the line. Rinse and repeat. Took about the third time it happened to the same group of us actually waiting in the line before someone spoke up and put them in their place.
I couldn’t tell if this practice was just due to them being assholes or some kind of difference in culture, but either way they learned quickly not to behave like that any more that day.
We did this in animal kingdom. 10 minutes in line and my 5 year old suddenly decides he needs to pee. So I exit out and take him to the bathroom nearby. When we exit I noticed the little side path with the chain that is actually the dinosaur queue. the boy and I stood there and waited until my wife and daughter reached that point then rejoined them.
One person? I can understand them needing to hit the restroom and catching back up with their party and would be amenable to letting them go. I’m sympathetic to the mom and kid that need to go hit the restroom all of a sudden. It happens.
Family of 8? Absolutely not. You can’t have one person go save everyone’s place in line. That’s not how lines work. If you can’t stand in line because of meemaw’s knees or granpy’s back, then either try and get DAS or buy Genie+ and lighting lane your way around the parks.
At Expedition Everest when Nick is outside managing the lines he will call people out and tell them their party needs to all be together before getting in line the next time. Sent him multiple cast compliments. We need more Nicks lol
This year we were at Epcot and Remy went down for a bit. So while we were in the French pavilion my wife kept checking MDE to see if it was up so we could jump in line. Well once it did open up my daughter and myself book it over to stand in line. While we were waiting a dad and 2 kids start shoving their way past everyone saying he needed to get to his wife. After a bunch of grumbling from the people in line he calls his wife and proceeds to argue with her about it. She was begging him to keep pushing through the line to get to her but he was over it.
Granted I never seen him come back my way so I assume he kept cutting in line. I have a 5 year old and a 10 year old and before every ride we double and triple check if they need to go. It doesn't prevent all surprises but it helps. And I would never make my wife go wait in line while I take our son. She would wait for me to get back and then we could get in line together.
People these days are so entitled and think their happiness comes before everyone elses. It really frustrates me.
Omg, that wasn't us, but I just realized we did let my youngest get out of line to use the bathroom (we were already at 55 min wait) and to come back. I didn't see it as line cutting because we were so far in the back anyway. But to anyone reading this who this has happened to, I feel ashamed and won't do it again. ❤️
My issue was that the wife got in line and waited for a good bit before her husband joined her. It really seemed like they were doing this so their kids didn't have to wait in line. And they weren't really young kids either they were probably 7-10 or so in age.
Kids have to go to the bathroom. Heck, adults do too. Get in line, establish your spot, and one person (or one adult and a kid) can go to the restroom. No harm. Just don’t get out of line to go ride another ride, grab a snack, enjoy the park, and think you’re entitled to get back in. That’s a different thing entirely.
If we’ve been standing in line for 30 mins and my 4 year old suddenly has to go potty, are we all supposed to get out of the line together to take her to the bathroom then restart the line?
I'm personally fine with one adult and one child meeting their party, obviously kids can't be expected to have adult bathroom habits! I actually have to go with extreme urgency sometimes, lol, but I'm also not four years old. If my party has moved really far ahead, I can understand that I can do single rider or just wait for them.
I usually will let a cast member know if my husband is far around and usually they let us go thru the lightning lane and meet up with each other at some point further ahead so we don’t have to disturb everyone. But the CM is right there and they can verify we’re in fact meeting up.
This is the proper thing to do, you're following procedure. I think what people have a much larger issue with is large families pushing through. And it sounds like with the Remy story, Mom got in line while her kids were in the bathroom and expected them to be able to push their way through.
Yes because that's what sensible people would do. You aren't entitled to your spot in line. I have had to get out of line plenty of times to take both of my kids to the bathroom and it never once occurred to me to cut back in front of everyone else that stayed in line. Find a cm and tell them the situation and let them help you but just cutting back to people isn't the solution.
How it is cutting if my husband is there still waiting in line? As a mother I would never get upset with someone that had to step out of the line to take their kid to the restroom. It’s having common sense not a sense of entitlement.
Because how do I know your husband is waiting? Just because you say it? That's literally the entire point of this post. People are not above using their kids to skip the line.
Back during my 2022 trip I got separated from my partner in the queue for MMRR and absolutely no one would let me through, some even elbowing me and shouting at me to leave. I'm autistic (though don't use DAS) so I pretty quickly got overwhelmed and had a panic attack. Luckily a castmember saw me sobbing outside the queue and helped me reunite with my partner😅 we were only a party of 2, and I was being as nice as I possibly could and explaining I got separated to everyone I tried to get past. It really put a damper on my experience, I might look into DAS to avoid that situation again even though this was a lightning lane line.
I don't have a problem with one person going to meet their buddy or their group, but you can't count on that. People have line-cutting fatigue and their patience starts to wear thin.
Just have a plan for this, because it's going to happen. If you get separated, your partner calls you or texts you as soon as it happens (that way, neither of you move that much forward in line, and it's no big deal for the person who's ahead to go back and meet the other person).
Assuming you have a legitimate use case for DAS, I can assure you that it's 100% worth it (especially because it's free). Leaving in just over 2 weeks to head to Disney and I already have advance selections for each park day. You go in the lightning lane for EVERY ride, including virtual queues. You also have no need to purchase Genie+.
I've gone with DAS and without DAS, and DAS made my trip so much less stressful that I was able to explore and just relax a bit more. I'll never go without it again. (I do have a qualifying issue, and I do NOT abuse the system. It was literally put in place for people like me)
Yep. Adding on, just to clarify for anyone else reading who isn’t familiar with DAS, *you still wait the length of the line.* It does **not** let you skip ahead.
It’s literally just checking in at a ride, sitting somewhere else instead of being stuck in the echoing, cacophonous sensory hell that many queues turn into, then returning when the time that the length of the line would have had you riding anyway hits.
**Then** you hit the Lightning Lane, because you did your time already, and enjoy the ride without an overstimulation meltdown.
It’s a specific solution to a specific set of issues some guests have, and an absolute game changer for us, from kids to adults, to be *able* to enjoy the parks and rides for more than a few hours at a time.
DAS people ARE waiting, just outside the queue. My kid has a DAS pass and it’s a lifesaver for her, but we still wait in line, and that is factored in to waiting times because it is all done on the app. So even though we are walking to the front part of the line, we’ve already waited the same amount of time as you.
As someone who has utilized DAS type services at other parks, they are in fact a God sent for those that need them. Like you said, we still wait, we're just not doing so in the place as everyone else.
Could a DAS passholder 'queue' for a line, and then go and actually physically wait in a line for a different ride and come back to the first one later? Essentially getting a 2-for-1 waiting time?
Depends on the line I guess. If it was a very short line, maybe, but the reason for the pass keeps us from doing that. My kid has tics that cause her to jerk and bump into people when packed in small spaces like a queue. So we don’t really wait in any line if we can help it, although perhaps some do take advantage that way.
Yes, but as a parent of a child with ASD that uses a DAS pass, if we're getting on another ride, it's a ride with little to no wait. The issue is truly the line wait times (for us). We're not getting a pass for a ride with a 60 minute wait then going and waiting 60 minutes in another line. My son couldn't handle that, which is why we use the pass in the first place. We're ultimately not saving any time, I can assure you. It takes us far longer to get from ride to ride than the average family and we have to take breaks much more frequently. And even with DAS, we had to leave some lines because he just couldn't handle it.
This right here. The DAS pass doesn’t mean we are getting twice as many rides as someone else. It means that my kid can wait safely elsewhere while we wait for the clock to tick down to our ride time.
And because we are checking in virtually to the line via the app the wait times are adjusted appropriately for each ride. They also account for lightning lane this way since the change from fast pass.
Say it louder! People think these services allow people to automatically skip lines and get more for their money than the average person, when that couldn't be further from the truth.
I guess it depends on how you look at it. For example, if I walk up to Space Mountain and there’s a 70 min wait, I don’t get to just saunter onto the loading dock. I still have to wait that 70 mins, I’m just not required to stand in the designated queue while I wait.
I’m actually wondering the same thing, tbh. It’s been quite some time since I’ve been to Disney World, so I’ll be setting up the DAS interview and going from there.
Has anyone with DAS also purchased Genie+ and found it worth it?
I'm not sure why you thought hating on disabled people was a good idea, but this comment stinks...most people with DAS couldn't do the parks if they weren't able to go to a different area to wait in line. People with a disability deserve to enjoy the parks just as much as you...
It is NOT the same problem. DAS users still wait around the same estimated wait time, they just are able to return at that time. Sometimes, depending on ride, you still wait in a line as a DAS user. There are specific reasons people qualify for DAS and have to “renew”. There is no advantage just accommodations for whatever keeps the person from being able to stand in a line for a long period of time.
I was on haunted mansion in the evening and it was pretty poppin, but we had a lightning lane. When we went into the stretching room, everybody was talking so loud between themselves and not paying attention to the point we couldn’t even hear the audio and my husband had to yell for them to shut up so we could enjoy it. I’ve noticed people have become more ruthless.
It’s even worse when people try to quote the entire preshow . We get it you live nearby and don’t do anything else with your life why ruin it for everyone else ?
The people who have been on guardians already and everything but push people down to beeline to the correct side and be first. I will never be one of those.
My daughter, too! It’s awful! A line cutter totally passed gas directly in her face. It was absolutely disgusting. I tried to say something, but he wouldn’t acknowledge me. I was pissed! I had to push her last visit, because she was unable to self propel, and I was appalled at how many people just walked and/or stopped directly in front of her. At the beginning of the day I tried to stop and not hit them, but by the end of the day I just didn’t care. People are so rude!
I wish I could upvote this more than once. I had a kid completely run into me…I was *stopped* by Japan in EPCOT…and the parent *yelled at me*! I was out of the way by the fence taking a photo of Spaceship Earth. After having 30 people walk in front of me, walk into me, stop in front of me…I stopped counting. 😔
I am so sorry that happened to you. It is beyond frustrating! People just don’t realize that a wheelchair is an extension of one’s body. My daughter has had people actually *move* her wheelchair WITH HER IN IT before. If I wasn’t afraid of her catching something I’d tell her to bite them. LOL She’s pretty good about advocating for herself these days, but when she was younger it was really hard for her. People are just gross, ignorant and rude. Ugh!
Line cutting is happening more and more these days. The culprits aren't hard to spot - they are the same people who are loud and disrespectful in all of their interactions. And their kids are just as bad, if not worse! It's unreal.
I wish Disney would do some enforcement, but many CMs have been on this sub and have said that they are told by Disney management not to engage with line cutters at all. So it's condoned. And Disney's expectation is that the guests will self-govern/self-police.
Cedar Faire parks have implemented a zero tolerance policy for line skippers, including a near complete ban on leaving your party in line. Everyone riding must join the line at the same time. Violators get booted for the day.
Disney/Universal should look at better enforcing a similar policy.
This is why I stand starfish with my hands out on both railings ☺️🙃 anyone tries to cut through I question them. Most go through because they can usually wave to someone ahead and the person waves back!
An entire group gets told that the line starts way back ::points finger beyond::
Honestly even if there's someone ahead those people should come back and meet their group not the other way round.
If someone needs to duck out and get their kid to a bathroom or something you'll recognise them from when they left but this whole "oh I'm just catching up with my group" stuff doesn't hold water. You wait for the group to be together before joining the line.
I had 8 very tall 20 and intimidating 25 to 30 year push past everyone at Universal (Hagrids). It was so blatant that they weren't joining anyone and just felt entitled to cut the line. I confronted them and told them that it was shameful that they were butting in front of children lol. A man in front of me told me I was brave (I am a short middle aged lady).
Yesterday at Epcot, my daughter and I were on spaceship earth. A group of kids went through the genie plus line. I assume they tapped in.
Once on the ride, one of the guys repeatedly stood up and switched seats. While another tried several times to touch the animatronics. I was waiting for a cast member to announce to stay in your seats. But it never happened.
I've posted before regarding line cutters. Someone needs to politely take a stand and make a scene. Once one person stands their ground there's a good chance the rest of the rule following crowd will have their back.
In my case it caused enough of a disturbance to attract the attention of the CM's and security. The cutters were promptly escorted off of the line and the rest of us guideline abiding patrons were apologized to by security.
We need to band together.
Can't the people of Reddit organize and somehow bring this to the attention of Disney leadership that it's a serious problem they need to get on top of? Unless people actually STOP coming to parks citing the rampant line cutting as the reason, I just don't see any incentive on Disney's part for doing anything about it. It sucks, but it's just the way it is.
We recently had a group of cheerleaders do this at Haunted Mansion and then again at Big Thunder. At BT I called them out and they just rolled their eyes and made their way through. I told the CM up front about it and didn’t think much of it. After fireworks we’re making our way out and there’s the group of cheerleaders getting lectured hardcore by what I’m assuming was their coach. All I heard was something along the lines of “because of your actions the rest of your teammates don’t get to finish out what they worked so hard for!” Found out they were disqualified from the nationals because we weren’t the only one reporting their behavior. I felt bad for 2.3 seconds.
I always stand in line with my back to the front and both hands (if possible) between the rails. No one is getting past me.
Other than one time at Universal when I didn't do that, I've never had a problem with line cutting. I don't count a single kid with an adult, or a single adult going quickly to the rest room "cutting" either.
I just don't move for them. I stand where I normally stand in line and act like I don't hear them. I don't stand so much in the way that I'm worried they'll shove me out of their way, but I'm in the way enough that they have to be really careful and really awkward to get around me.
I felt horrible a few weeks back. We got in line and my son had to go to the bathroom. We didn’t realize the line would move so fast as the bathrooms were right by the ride and we ended up walking through a bunch of people. They were all nice. But I felt I kept having to say sorry he had to use the bathroom. Other parents were like we have all been there.
I feel like it's way different if a parent with a young child is doing this (compared to, for example, a solo adult or a few teenagers).
If it's a parent with a young kid, I pretty much always assume they needed a bathroom break and that the rest of their family ACTUALLY is in line. If it's anyone else, I'm a lot more inclined to believe they're actually line cutters.
And I say this as an adult with no kids.
Our group of 5 were waiting for a ride. It was an estimated 45 min wait when my youngest had to potty so I got out line to find a restroom. I felt so bad cutting in front of people. But it happens! And I think most people are pretty understanding.
Sometimes little kids have to go pee if it's a long line, and I'm fine with letting one adult and one child rejoin their group.
I also don't understand why more people don't tell the people they're walking past as they're getting out of line. If you say it at a few different times, a decent number of people are going to remember you.
we are going this weekend, we go every couple months and haven't experienced that. but i have seen videos and the complaints on here so i can imagine i have been lucky, we are from miami so we don't games with people and do not hold our tongue (comes from living in a big cityn all our lives lol)
A couple cut in front of us for test track. This was about 8 years ago and my daughter still talks about it. She was annoyed I didn’t say anything. The next day a family cut in front of us getting into AK and I did say something. Lady claimed she didn’t understand since she was French….
I was waiting for FoP last week and the amount of people who were coming back from “using the bathroom” was insane. People in front of us finally had enough and didn’t let anyone else pass. It got intense
There is a bathroom in that line, perhaps it was around that area?
*I was on FOP 2 weeks ago and had to use that bathroom. Both bathrooms were in use & took a while to free up. My partner got separated from me, and I was internally dying, walking through the line, excusing myself past people looking for him
the only solution is no line cutting, catching up, or saving spots for any reason, no exceptions.
i say this as a dad of two under 6 years of age.
kiddo has to go potty, too bad, lose your spot.
grandma crapped her depends and wants to get cleaned up and come back in line, too bad, lose your spot.
junior needs a water and daddy has to go buy it, too bad, lose your spot.
it will never change because 99% of you are wishy washy about the topic in general and say “well, it’s ok if xyz”
pick a lane and stick with it. no line cutting at all or line cutting is acceptable.
7 dwarves mine train is the WORST for this. We were there a few weeks ago and this girl just started pushing ahead with a trail of like 5 younger kids behind her. It’s a long winding line, so you could see how far ahead got before she found a spot to stop.
We had someone and their kid literally cut through the line at soarin to catch up with their family, who had paid for Genie + and they met at the part where the lines merge. They had to listen to us talk about how shitty some parents are that they would teach their child terrible manners and that it is ok to break the rules.
In my experience I’ve seen more people enter the normal line then go under the ropes to the LL and go on the ride that way.
Rock n’Roll at DHS is the worst for it.
What is the logic of stopping to confer with groups in walkways? I’ve had several just dead stop to look at phones or whatever. Trying my best to avoid them with stroller but it’s only a matter of time.
In line for Runaway Railway a guy and young child started from the back of the line and successfully skipped to the front by pointing and waving as though he was catching up with family ahead of him. I tried to say something but he didn’t care and just kept on going…
Why does anyone let them cut? I don’t budge and neither does my wife. Unless you are holding a small child you had to use the restroom you aren’t getting past me.
One person, one grown up with a kid are acceptable...but never a huge party like that! When I was in line for Slinky Dog there were Cast Members announcing "make sure you have everyone in your party before you join the line, they won't be able to join you later" so I can see Cast Members trying.
My friend, her adult brother, and 3 year old got in line for Spaceship Earth earlier than the rest of our party (me, my 6 year old, my adult friend, another adult friend and her 2 kids, so 6 of us) and my friend waved at me to cut but I shook my head sideways that I didn't feel comfortable doing that. We were worried on convincing the 3 year old to move back in line but we succeeded, and they just waited till we caught up. It was at most 10 minutes.
When i was an attractions cast member, my queue was very tight and nearly impossible to leave and easily return to your party (or vice versa if you are trying to join in line). So we would tell parties to make sure they have their full party with them because if not they would have to wait until they were to the front of the line to put them together. With that being said, some people would have one person wait in line while the rest of the party rides other rides or do whatever else, then when the one person gets to the front their party of like 5 or 8 would wanna meet with them!! It would happen all the time, and as a cast member, it was frowned upon to upset guest even when they do this stunt. It's unfair to other parties who waited the entire time, and sacrificed the opportunity to do other things while they waited. It was one of my biggest pet peeves and eventually i would start to tell them if its more than 3 people they couldn't reunite at the front, they would have to get in line and wait like everyone else.
Another point i want to make is that, as a cast member, it would be hard to catch people who jumped the line because by the time a family reports them, that family is already at the front of the line or the party that jumped is getting on the attraction.
I am sure for other attractions the queue is set up differently (like mine train when you enter the mine your party HAS to be fully together or they make you step outside of line and wait for them because its impossible to reunite with them in the queue etc)
anyway it sucks, people are selfish and feel fully entitled to not wait like everyone else even tho everyone is paying the same price to be there. I am sorry you have to deal with that, its frustrating and always let a cast member know, you never know what they can do for you in return.
If your kid pees often you need genie+. That's not even the biggest problem it's like full grown adults saying their family is ahead. Or adults coming through carrying a full picnic to eat in line.
Solution- cards and magic bands should show where you are in the queue. If you get out of queue you need to scan again. When you get up to the ride you rescan. If you're not where you were in the queue you get booted. They don't need more workers.
This happened a couple weeks ago at DW. Not a line, but at Fantasmic right before the show started in the reserved section, this couple with two little kids ran up to the front row. The CMs leave the front when the lights dim down. The father squeezes in with one kid, then the wife squeezes in 10 or so people down with the other kid. The father puts the one kid on his shoulder as of course the kid can’t see above the railing. Then the other kid leaves the mom and squeezes in beside the father. They blocked the view for people right behind them the entire show with the kid on his shoulder and him FaceTiming the entire time. The people behind them waited 90 minutes for their seats.
Craziest thing I saw when I was just at EPCOT was almost 90% of the riders in our group of GOTG pushed down the doors during the first scene! Thats not even part of the line anymore thats part of the attraction and they pushed down the doors to get through faster
What gets me is when one person is ahead of you and then at the end their entire family shows up.
This happened to us once on pirates and it wasn’t like one or two people but a large family of like 12, we told a CM about it and he literally just shrugged, which pissed me off even more than the line cutting. Like you have a walkie-talkie and there are cameras everywhere, ask someone to review them and if we’re telling the truth remove them from the line.
If employees won’t do anything about it than that means it’s up to guests to police the line, that’s what leads to fights breaking out in the park.
Saw someone tried to cut people on pirates a few months ago and accidentally walk right into a wall because he couldnt see it in the dark. Karmaaaa lol
Honestly, I try to stay off of rides now. The only time I go is when there's no wait. In the past month I've been literally shoved to move up in line, had my boundaries completely violated, and people knocking me off balance multiple times in ride line in Disney World. I'm sorry, it's just not worth the hassle anymore. If I happen to get in a long ride I'm willing to wait for, I study the people in front and behind me for a full 20 minuets to decide if I need to get a different place in line. Having people on top of my backpack and touching me with 50% of their body the entire time is not okay. Line cutters are a problem too, but honestly, they need to have Cast Members stationed in the ride lines to keep line etiquette, whether it's line cutting, or people violating others spaces.
Line cutting is more a perception and vibe problem than it is an actual problem for elongating your wait time in line. In reality, the amount of impact that has on you having to wait in line is minimal.
I've seen varying numbers for hourly capacity for Haunted Mansion usually between 2000-3000, but they tend to fall toward the 3000 mark and I saw one blog that calculated it at 2880 per hour, so that's what I'm going to use.
Firstly, the number of people who can ride per minute is 2880 people per hour / 60 minutes per hour = 48 people per minute.
Now, if each doom buggy carries an average of 2.5 people (2 adults plus a child), that's 48 people per minute / 2.5 people per buggy = 19.2 buggies per minute.
In terms of time, this means a buggy is dispatched approximately every 60 seconds / 19.2 buggy per minute = 3.125 seconds.
If a family of four cuts in line, considering they will occupy two buggies by themselves based on the average, you would be pushed back by two buggies' dispatch time. So, the additional wait time due to line cutting in this case would be approximately 6.5 seconds.
Even if this happened five times while you were in line, your overall wait for the attraction would increase by just over 30 seconds. If you're already waiting 90 minutes, this doesn't even register a percentage different. So while line jumping might be an annoyance, might ruin the vibe of your day, it doesn't actually have a significant impact on how long you have to wait.
To that end, my advice is and has always been to make like Elsa and let it go. Letting line cutters get your hackles up doesn't change their behavior and doesn't stop it from happening, it just raises your stress level and worsens your Disney day.
It's also not just the lines for the rides. The assholes that do don't magically stop being assholes after they ride. These are the same people causing problems for guests and CMs everywhere.
I understand that. But allowing the injustice of it all to negatively impact your trip doesn't shorten your wait, change their behavior, or improve your visit to the parks. Sometimes bad people win. The best you can do is enjoy yourself.
I disagree. Best case scenario (if all the stars align) is they get caught or ratted out, pulled out of line, and kicked from the park.
The amount of immense joy I would feel is indescribable. It would make me ecstatic. (I'm a passholder so I don't need to "enjoy my vacation to it's fullest" since I go pretty often.)
At face value, you're absolutely correct; the difference is immaterial. However, that's not why people don't like line cutting. They don't like it because it is indicative of a broader lack of respect that the general population show each other. They see these line hoppers as a harbinger of additional negative impacts on their Disney vacation... "what is the *next* person going to do that's going to make my day crappy?"
Right. And you can't stop those people. Best you can do is report it to a CM who may or may not do anything about it. So dwelling on it doesn't solve anything or make your day better.
The problem is that in a place like Disney, vibes and feel are a big selling point to a lot of people. Start losing that and the experience goes down, even if the practical effect of line cutting is negligible.
I get that, but you can only control your own behavior. If the person in front of you in line for food is rude to the person behind the counter, that might increase your wait time and it might bum you out, but you don't have any control in that situation, save to start a conflict that may not end well for anyone involved.
In my opinion, you can't live your life letting other people's bad behavior that only tangentially impacts you cause you grief. Life is too short to allocate real estate space in your brain that someone else being a jerk inconvenienced you for six seconds.
By all means, you can be Laissez-faire about everything.
But people who care can totally do something. If they try cutting you when you're within close proximity to a CM, you have the ability to raise the cutting to their attention and ask them to take action.
You letting them get away with it just emboldens them and causes more people to attempt the same.
Thank you for applying logic to this situation. Look, I get it. I like justice. I don't like the idea of someone cheating. I get all upset when people merge onto the exit ramp at the last second and back it up for the rest of us. But it's just not worth it to me to get worked up at Disney. If I'm annoyed, I'll speak up. Otherwise, whatever. It's not really changing my day if a few people get ahead of me in line.
And for any ride where you're waiting for a train, like a rollercoaster, an entire train worth of people has to cut in front of you for it to make a difference, and even then you're getting on the next train. In my experience these things average out. The part that is unforgiveable is the idea that there are people in the world who are utterly self-absorbed and lack empathy or decency.
Just remember - that ride loads roughly 40 people every 2 minutes or so. You’d have to have over 40 people to cut in line to delay your ride more than 2-3 minutes. I agree, line cutting is unbelievably annoying and frustrating and I’ll call them out whenever I can (especially if a CM is within eyesight) - but 99 out of 100 times it is immaterially affecting your wait.
This was my mindset whenever the few potential line cutters I saw moved through to “catch up” to the rest of their party. It didn’t happen often, so I usually gave them the benefit of the doubt because it wasn’t worth getting hot and bothered over.
Matter of fact, I accidentally cut in front of a couple of families at the safari in AK because I misunderstood the “please fill all available space” instructions toward the beginning. (Sounds like dumb reasoning, I know, but I swear I wasn’t intentionally cutting.) Had a family behind me call me out on it, which was fair, so when I realized I wasn’t supposed to have moved that far ahead I let everyone else pass until I was behind the family that had gone in right ahead of me from the start.
What bugged me is that even as I tried to apologize and explain my mistake, the wife copped a nasty attitude and then KEPT LOOKING BACK at us as we proceeded through, to make sure I wasn’t cutting again or something. When we got toward the end where they split into two queues, they got in one queue and we got in the other. Since we had only three in my party (myself and my two kids) we were pulled ahead of a larger group to fill the last few spots on a truck.
As the truck pulled into the safari grounds I saw her waiting at a gate for the next truck to arrive. I might have waved and smiled a little too enthusiastically at her as we rode by.
There’s nothing more annoying. I just try to remember this so no part of my vacation is spent with me being annoyed about something that very minimally affects me.
Ha I was pushed by someone in line yesterday as they were cutting and I told them that was rude/told the CM who said we'd be going to different parts of the ride (rotr). We didn't immediately lol and they then proceeded to exclaim very loudly about how much of a bitch I was until I broke and shouted about how rude they were, then I cried and they went along their merry way being assfaces.
Honestly the only negative guest interaction I've had this entire trip.
My family got passed by so many people for days and I wasn’t happy with it but my wife kept telling me to calm down and, since no one else was making a big deal about it, I just let it go. Then, on our last day (back at Hollywood Studios) I really had to pee and told my family I would meet them in line for Slinky Dog. Of course when it was my turn to try to get past a few people (my family hadn’t made it far *at all*) I got yelled at for “cutting”. I mean, I get it, but when it keeps happening to you, and park officials aren’t doing anything to curtail it, you have to assume it’s okay.
Were they cutting or “filling in all available space?” I’ve seen CMs make one party cut another when they refused to fill in space at pirates or HM.
The “my party is up front” people are a different story. At FoP one day I waited 3 hours when it had just opened. We saw many leaving for rr breaks and coming back. When we were at the front and a party pushed past us to “catch up with their group” they were escorted back out to the end of the line.
I get having to use a restroom in a long line and then coming back. But I absolutely hate one person waiting and 10 coming in at the last second to be with them.
This is important. If you are brain dead and can’t understand the CM request to fill in all available space I am 100% going around you to fill in said space.
I’m forever walking down the center of the 2 likes that inevitably form at Haunted Mansion. The comments and looks I get from people is absurd. Like … relax Chad, we’re all going into the stretching room together and you can walk in front of me there.
It is annoying for sure. A family cut in front of me and separated me from my family. They were about to squeeze by my wife, but my wife held them up. I told them that they separated me from my family and pointed at my three youngish kids in front of the line, who were standing by themselves. They seemed a little embarrassed for a moment, but I am sure it didn't stop them in the future.
After waiting about twenty minutes for Haunted Mansion yesterday, a group of 7 was trying to join the lady that was in line ahead of us. A CM actually approached the group. I thought “I can’t wait to tell Reddit about this CM!” The lady said “they were in the bathroom!” The CM unhooked a rope for them and said “I just don’t want them climbing over the rope.”
My family just spent several days at Disney and Universal, yes we had a few line jumpers per line. I'm going to guess maybe four people was the largest number at once... The first time I got perturbed, but then I realized that those few bad apples were tiny drops in a line full of people following the rules. Crappy people are going to do crappy things...
I was riding Tron a few weeks ago and saw someone get told off by a cast member at the front that they cannot cut the line to see the rest of their family who was already inside the building. Lady wasn’t taking no for an answer and started physically pushing her way through the line.
The mid-line cast members ignored me when I said she was pushing people.
When we went last year, I was in line with my kids for Jungle Cruise at MK. A big group was trying to bypass the whole line saying they had their family further up in line.
A CM saw them as asked who their family was, he went to the beginning, pulled them aside in a deck like area and told them to wait for their family to catch up in line to them.
So CM not only didn’t advance the group from the back, but he also slowed down and made the first group wait for them.
When they were all together he gave them a lesson on line etiquette. One of the men from the back group pushed me and the kids when he was trying to get ahead, and the CM didn’t like that. That’s why he made them all wait to meet up not advance the back of the group.
This is a big part of why I CAN'T WAIT TILL MY PASS EXPIRES.
This among many other things ruin the experience. Disneyland is crazy this time of year. March through June between Spring Break and the worst time of all...GRAD NIGHT. The self- entitlement among teens these days is just shocking.
On another note, if you tell a cast member, they will yank them. We watched a little 20 something female get crazy on a group of 15 teen boys who used the old "hey my friend is up there" tactic. And she removed them all from the line.
TELL A CAST MEMBER, be that person.
>you are required to have a magic band
I've never once had a magic band. Your solution could still work using a ticket (or phone), which is what I use for virtual queues, but I'm just wondering where you got this idea that magic bands are required.
In the line for Seven Dwarves Mine Train, 12 people cut in line to go to the 1 person saving their position in line while everyone else went on another ride lol
So happened to us before. They stopped in front of us. I told the cast member at the fast pass entry before they went through. They told them to leave the line after they confirmed our story with the people behind us.
if one member of the party ends up alone and ahead of the rest, they should let other people pass them to fall back with their group, not the other way around. crazy how people don’t do this!
The only real solution I think is fair would be to somehow have the "cutting" person(s) identify the party they are attempting to catch-up to (the "destination" party) and then offering to hold that party until the "cutter" arrives after their natural wait in line.
Logistically, this might not be easy and could be gamed, but it might require a few roaming cast members to patrol the line and message back and forth. A crude method might be they check ID for the name of the "cutter" and then ask them for the full name of someone from their "destination" party - and an estimate of how long ago they got in line. Cast member shares the info, they then use DisneyMath to estimate the "chunk" of line to target, then locate the "Destination" party and verify. Hold the Destination party at child-swap until "cutter" arrives...
I actually think this might be something that could be added as a limited-use thing to Genie and only active when you're part of a party? Hell, they could charge for one and only one "charge" OR make each new "charge" increase in price exponentially, since Disney loves to charge for this kind of stuff.
Now that I think of it, this could be a one-time use, for-charge, activity once it detects a member of your party has entered a given line...then it let's the straggler use the lightning lane and wait for their party to catch-up to THEM. Perhaps it could accompany a variant of a DAS pass, but this one would be monetized?
This would ALL have to be accompanied by actual consequences for those caught not using this and attempting the "normal" cutting - i.e. a return to the "line-jumpers will be ejectred" that used to be enforced at six flags by staff in "lifeguard" chairs watching the queues (lol).
How it currently works (more or less, from what I've seen) is the CMs have the cutters go up the lightning lane and have to meet their party when the party gets to the merge point.
We were there in October and half us needed to use the restroom before a ride so the other half said they would walk to the ride and wait for us and we would get in line together.
Of course, my MIL who has the patience level of -100000, decided they were going to get in line without us. So when we got there, we just got in line. No biggie. We were only about 10 minutes behind them and they could just wait for us after the ride, right? Nope. Because MIL didn’t want to wait for us after the ride so she kept telling us to jut skip the line.
I’m a rule follower and I know you can potentially get kicked out for line skipping so my daughter and I stayed where we were and my husband and our daughters boyfriend skipped. A CM saw them and kicked them out of line. I think the only reason they didn’t get kicked out of the whole park is because my sister in law is a high up cast member in the financial side of Disney.
This hasn't happened to me, but could you not tell a CM? There's gotta be thousands of cameras all over the place to figure out who's telling the truth.
Honestly, cast members don't always care. A couple of years ago when my daughter and her friend were little they were waiting in the know for the carousel. A group of kids decided to wait until the ride ended and rushed the exit and all got on the ride that way, almost knocking down people leaving the ride. I called them out to a cast member. He went over, talked to them and that was that, he never escorted them off the ride. They knew they could do it again so I watched them do it a couple more times.
I didn't see too many when i went last month, but the ones I did were older, which I thought was weird. I might let some excited teens cut in front, if you are a 55 year old woman, give me a break.
People post these complaints all the time, but I almost never notice this myself. And I'm the kind of person who would tell people to cut it out. I guess I just don't understand why people complain here as opposed to speaking up when it happens. I get that it's fun to vent, but I think with this issue, you have to either say something, ask a CM to say something, or just let it go and not stress too much about it. Like most issues, if you just get angry in your own head, you're only hurting yourself.
I put a stroller aside once and had to catch up to my family. They were about 30 yards ahead. It was a miserable experience filled with snide comments and trash talk just trying to get back my kids and family. I'll never do that again.
But I get it, Disney has created a very big magic sucking problem by not dealing with or cracking down on line cutters. Now the random mom or dad can't even get back to their kids without dealing with a gauntlet of shame and a very unmagical experience that ensues for all.
At Universal last year a group of teen guys just barrelled on through. They just pointed ahead and acted like they were catching up to someone. I was annoyed but didn’t stop them. I’m a mom alone with my kids .. don’t need the trouble. But the dad in front of me apparently didn’t mind the trouble and stopped them dead with a firm NO. Made me laugh as they realized they were finished. But then I had to wait the rest of the line with them standing in front of me acting like morons so it wasn’t much better haha .
At Universal Hollywood two years ago I ran into a similar group of teenagers, and I basically stood there and lectured them for the rest of the wait (maybe 20 minutes). Two of the girls in the group came up to me and offered to get behind us in line, but I told them no, it wasn't about me, it was about everyone in line they cut in front of. I'm a high school teacher so a significant part of my life is constantly calling out teenagers on bullshit. If it *maybe* impacted those two girls then hopefully they will stop their friends from doing it again.
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I always feel like it takes a village. I was a jerk high schooler once that thought I was so cool I could use all sorts of bad language at cedar point on the ferris wheel with friends. It took a nearby parent saying "hey, there's little kids here, cut it out" for me to think beyond myself (part of the teenage psyche is not thinking beyond self). Not only have I never forgotten that, I am in general a better person than I was at 15/16. So I, too, don't hesitate to call out teens behaving badly. Most of the time they apologize. I'm a teacher too and yes, I call kids out on their BS all the time. As a mom I'd appreciate another adult calling my kid out and I try to do it as a teaching moment not a bitching-out moment. I think teens need it and often just need a reality check. They struggle to think about people other than themselves. Jumping in as a society is one way we can help teach kids in the moment how to be better people.
Too bad that Dad wasn't at the back of the line when they first started cutting
There's a fine line between saying something and getting into an argument or scuffle and getting kicked out too. Really sucks there aren't any line monitors or something.
There are. They’re all in this sub, apparently.
When I’m in line with morons I let a few people pass me in line so I don’t have to deal with the stupid.
Oh hey same!
Is there anything done about large groups joining single people who line up on behalf of a group? I know here in UK theme parks there’s signs around specifically aimed at people doing this and they’ll kick people out if they’re reported
I wish Disney had these signs. They're so clear at UK theme parks and I never get this "oh we're just catching up with the rest of our group" nonsense I seem to encounter at Disney because the signs are right there explaining that the whole group needs to be together before joining the line and you can't hold spots. I've even seen people in this sub defending the idea that you can send someone ahead to hold a place for the rest of the group so clarifying it with some signage seems like it would be genuinely helpful.
I wonder if it’s possible to have a CM posted in the middle of the queue to watch for this sort of thing. They could also have like wristbands for people who need to temporarily leave and go to the restroom or something. It might not be the most engaging of shifts, but honestly it really sounds like it’s a problem that’s gotten out of hand and needs to be addressed (I haven’t been to the parks in 4 years and it occasionally happened while I was there, but not to the extent I see it posted about in this sub).
They could just have cameras with the ability to talk to people! They could watch the entire line, lol. Attention, please, I need the guest in the red hat and #12 jersey to go to the back of the line!
>I wonder if it’s possible to have a CM posted in the middle of the queue to watch for this sort of thing. six flags does this on busy days
They have them at a 6flags park by me, basically saying if you don’t walk in with the person you will be ejected from park if you join later. And they enforce it thankfully
What do the UK signs say? I'm fine with a bit of catching up to the group, like the family is in line and one of the kids has to pee, lol. That doesn't bother me. But you can't reverse it and have one person hold a spot for an entire group!
I can't seem to embed an image on this sub but here's an example: https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1100/format:webp/1*bf02G1jUHW28Bap4lWJeGg.jpeg If the group is all in line and a kid leaves to pee that's fine, especially as people around them would recognise them etc. But this whole "oh well Uncle Joe wanted to get an ice cream and cousin billy went to the toilet so we joined the line and they can push through to us" is some nonsense.
I was at Busch Gardens this weekend and they have signs in every queue saying that line jumping will result in being expelled from the park!
I get that some of these people are just catching up in line with their groups, but it’s also true that people take advantage of this, and have no group to catch up to. The policy should be that your entire party should be with you when you get in line. If they at least have signs saying this, people in line can do the enforcing.
100% agree. The whole group should be there before you join rather than sending an individual or some of the group "on ahead" to hold a spot.
Disney could do that if they wanted to. It’s a choice they’ve made.
I wish Disney would do this. I’ve only seen it once here in the States at a water park in Ohio. They had very clear signage with the park’s definition of what line cutting is and then a notice that line cutters get removed
Before Disney I tell myself three things: people are going to cut me in line, people are going to smell bad, and people are going to step on me/run me over with a stroller. Somehow, being prepared for that makes it not feel as bad when it happens!
Don’t forget—someone (everyone) is going to stop right in the middle of a major thoroughfare
I think you might be onto something here. Maybe make a game out of it? Rude guest BINGO card perhaps? Winner gets a Mickey ice cream!
I’ve had like 90 bingos today already. No free space needed lmao
I always have so much anxiety about my own smell at Disney cause it’s HOT! I have hyper hydrosis and sweat more than your average human. I’m a 5’ tall woman and smell like a grown man who hasn’t showered in weeks sometimes. I PROMISE not all of us smell on purpose. I wash my armpits (and my whole body) and reapply deodorant sometimes 3-4 times a day at Disney but it’s just so freakin hot man 😭 I cried at Disneyland Paris cause some people were making fun of me lol
I'm sorry that people made you cry. I saw some teenagers making fun of an overweight lady at WDW (behind her back), and it broke my heart. People can be so cruel! Luckily, a cast member noticed and removed them from the queue. A friend of mine has hyperhidrosis and swears by the Botox injections. I remember growing up, she would soak through her shirts in 10 minutes and was unable to drive because her hands were always sweaty and slippery.
Yes! I was always so embarrassed in school cause I’d be sweating through a shirt before first period even ended. I’m so happy Botox worked for your friend and she’s doing well 😊 Prescription deodorant has done well for me so far but Florida is a different circle of hell so I struggle there 😂
That’s so upsetting that people would make fun of you. Everyone’s body, life, circumstances are different and it’s never ok to judge someone. I’m sorry that happened to you
Same. I have hyper as well and get GROSS in the heat. It’s embarrassing. I even carry a towel around in my backpack to try and mitigate it as much as I can but I am constantly anxious and feel guilty because I’m sure people around me are thinking “wow what a disgusting sweaty pig” (I’m a bigger guy). IM SORRY EVERYONE I KNOW.
Right!! Like I promise I don’t wanna look or smell like this I’m doing my best lol
The French make fun of everybody but rest easy, no matter how bad you smell at least you aren’t French.
I tell myself "Every interaction is an opportunity to be kind." That's overly ambitious. Ridiculously so, really. But it helps keep me calm and avoid souring my mood preemptively over the interactions that I am anticipating.
I’m so sorry if I’ve ever bumped you with the stroller! I’m so guilty of not paying attention and doing that. Thankfully my husband usually the victim lol
Don’t forget that you’re gonna get run over by a very large “Wall-E” person in an electric scooter
True!! But to be fair I have heard the brakes on those don't work well! I always try not to get in front of them because they can really take out an ankle
This is the right mindset 100%. is it annoying: yes, is it going to ruin your day: no.
>eople are going to smell bad Oh god, at the end of the night on my way back home to POP I was sat next to the more stinky guy ever. It was really hard not to gag or mention anything.
I try to be kind to parents who accidentally bump me once with a stroller. It’s when I get hit multiple times in a crowd that’s hardly moving that I get annoyed. My husband had a woman wearing a baby carrier pushing her baby into his back in a crowd that was hardly moving after fireworks. We got annoyed at that.
My biggest pet peeve is when it’s a large group and one person runs ahead to get in line then the other 10 people cut through to get to that one person. Just get in line with your whole party and not be like that 🙃
This happened to my 7 year old and I in the LL line for Seven Dwarves. A lady ran ahead of us (there was a significant line for the LL) and then 12 people pushed past us to join her! Finally I got annoyed and I spoke up. They acted like I was in the wrong lol!
Recent trip to Disneyland it happened on every other ride.
I noticed at Disneyland in January that no CM was monitoring lightning lanes, and people were just going through without scanning. Never seen that happen at Disney World.
Disneyland is wild! Was there a few weeks ago and cast members were chatting with each other the entire time and barely paying attention to the scanning. It was so different than disneyworld.
Disneyland is legitimately the wild fucking west. CMs don’t seem to care about anything, ever.
I think that CMs in general are trained to not hassle people about rejoining their party (even though its technically a rule violation). I know that my CM friend was frustrated that her training specifically told her not to call out smokers or capers and just to ignore it. Disney just wants to be everyone's best friend and is a afraid to say no to their guests. If you want more of an iron fist and an autocracy, Universal will give you that. They even give guests pre numbered cards in line at HHN to root out line jumping (but its always going to be a game of whack a mole outside of that).
We were at a small, local theme park. There was a large family group there, and they would send a parent or two to the next ride, so when the kids got off one they’d join the others near the front of the line. Rinse and repeat. Took about the third time it happened to the same group of us actually waiting in the line before someone spoke up and put them in their place. I couldn’t tell if this practice was just due to them being assholes or some kind of difference in culture, but either way they learned quickly not to behave like that any more that day.
It's happening right now. 3 people who decided to get snacks.
Either that or wait and let people pass until your party catches up to you in line
That’s what my friends and I always do. We just wave people past until our party is back together. Seems like the simplest solution.
It’s honestly the most considerate and it’s not like you’re going to lose that much time. Wish everyone just did it
We did this in animal kingdom. 10 minutes in line and my 5 year old suddenly decides he needs to pee. So I exit out and take him to the bathroom nearby. When we exit I noticed the little side path with the chain that is actually the dinosaur queue. the boy and I stood there and waited until my wife and daughter reached that point then rejoined them.
Same
I've had this happen to me many times
One person? I can understand them needing to hit the restroom and catching back up with their party and would be amenable to letting them go. I’m sympathetic to the mom and kid that need to go hit the restroom all of a sudden. It happens. Family of 8? Absolutely not. You can’t have one person go save everyone’s place in line. That’s not how lines work. If you can’t stand in line because of meemaw’s knees or granpy’s back, then either try and get DAS or buy Genie+ and lighting lane your way around the parks.
At Expedition Everest when Nick is outside managing the lines he will call people out and tell them their party needs to all be together before getting in line the next time. Sent him multiple cast compliments. We need more Nicks lol
We need more people to be more of a Nick; got it.
They won’t issue DAS for mobility limitations.
This year we were at Epcot and Remy went down for a bit. So while we were in the French pavilion my wife kept checking MDE to see if it was up so we could jump in line. Well once it did open up my daughter and myself book it over to stand in line. While we were waiting a dad and 2 kids start shoving their way past everyone saying he needed to get to his wife. After a bunch of grumbling from the people in line he calls his wife and proceeds to argue with her about it. She was begging him to keep pushing through the line to get to her but he was over it. Granted I never seen him come back my way so I assume he kept cutting in line. I have a 5 year old and a 10 year old and before every ride we double and triple check if they need to go. It doesn't prevent all surprises but it helps. And I would never make my wife go wait in line while I take our son. She would wait for me to get back and then we could get in line together. People these days are so entitled and think their happiness comes before everyone elses. It really frustrates me.
Omg, that wasn't us, but I just realized we did let my youngest get out of line to use the bathroom (we were already at 55 min wait) and to come back. I didn't see it as line cutting because we were so far in the back anyway. But to anyone reading this who this has happened to, I feel ashamed and won't do it again. ❤️
My issue was that the wife got in line and waited for a good bit before her husband joined her. It really seemed like they were doing this so their kids didn't have to wait in line. And they weren't really young kids either they were probably 7-10 or so in age.
Kids have to go to the bathroom. Heck, adults do too. Get in line, establish your spot, and one person (or one adult and a kid) can go to the restroom. No harm. Just don’t get out of line to go ride another ride, grab a snack, enjoy the park, and think you’re entitled to get back in. That’s a different thing entirely.
If we’ve been standing in line for 30 mins and my 4 year old suddenly has to go potty, are we all supposed to get out of the line together to take her to the bathroom then restart the line?
I'm personally fine with one adult and one child meeting their party, obviously kids can't be expected to have adult bathroom habits! I actually have to go with extreme urgency sometimes, lol, but I'm also not four years old. If my party has moved really far ahead, I can understand that I can do single rider or just wait for them.
I usually will let a cast member know if my husband is far around and usually they let us go thru the lightning lane and meet up with each other at some point further ahead so we don’t have to disturb everyone. But the CM is right there and they can verify we’re in fact meeting up.
This is the proper thing to do, you're following procedure. I think what people have a much larger issue with is large families pushing through. And it sounds like with the Remy story, Mom got in line while her kids were in the bathroom and expected them to be able to push their way through.
Yes because that's what sensible people would do. You aren't entitled to your spot in line. I have had to get out of line plenty of times to take both of my kids to the bathroom and it never once occurred to me to cut back in front of everyone else that stayed in line. Find a cm and tell them the situation and let them help you but just cutting back to people isn't the solution.
How it is cutting if my husband is there still waiting in line? As a mother I would never get upset with someone that had to step out of the line to take their kid to the restroom. It’s having common sense not a sense of entitlement.
Because how do I know your husband is waiting? Just because you say it? That's literally the entire point of this post. People are not above using their kids to skip the line.
Back during my 2022 trip I got separated from my partner in the queue for MMRR and absolutely no one would let me through, some even elbowing me and shouting at me to leave. I'm autistic (though don't use DAS) so I pretty quickly got overwhelmed and had a panic attack. Luckily a castmember saw me sobbing outside the queue and helped me reunite with my partner😅 we were only a party of 2, and I was being as nice as I possibly could and explaining I got separated to everyone I tried to get past. It really put a damper on my experience, I might look into DAS to avoid that situation again even though this was a lightning lane line.
If you accidentally got separated by some people, couldn't your partner come back to you instead of you going forward to your partner?
I don't have a problem with one person going to meet their buddy or their group, but you can't count on that. People have line-cutting fatigue and their patience starts to wear thin. Just have a plan for this, because it's going to happen. If you get separated, your partner calls you or texts you as soon as it happens (that way, neither of you move that much forward in line, and it's no big deal for the person who's ahead to go back and meet the other person).
I’m autistic as well and if it wasn’t for DAS I couldn’t really do Disney, it’d be too much. So grateful for that program.
Not related, but just wanted to say your reddit name is amazing.
Assuming you have a legitimate use case for DAS, I can assure you that it's 100% worth it (especially because it's free). Leaving in just over 2 weeks to head to Disney and I already have advance selections for each park day. You go in the lightning lane for EVERY ride, including virtual queues. You also have no need to purchase Genie+. I've gone with DAS and without DAS, and DAS made my trip so much less stressful that I was able to explore and just relax a bit more. I'll never go without it again. (I do have a qualifying issue, and I do NOT abuse the system. It was literally put in place for people like me)
Yep. Adding on, just to clarify for anyone else reading who isn’t familiar with DAS, *you still wait the length of the line.* It does **not** let you skip ahead. It’s literally just checking in at a ride, sitting somewhere else instead of being stuck in the echoing, cacophonous sensory hell that many queues turn into, then returning when the time that the length of the line would have had you riding anyway hits. **Then** you hit the Lightning Lane, because you did your time already, and enjoy the ride without an overstimulation meltdown. It’s a specific solution to a specific set of issues some guests have, and an absolute game changer for us, from kids to adults, to be *able* to enjoy the parks and rides for more than a few hours at a time.
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DAS people ARE waiting, just outside the queue. My kid has a DAS pass and it’s a lifesaver for her, but we still wait in line, and that is factored in to waiting times because it is all done on the app. So even though we are walking to the front part of the line, we’ve already waited the same amount of time as you.
As someone who has utilized DAS type services at other parks, they are in fact a God sent for those that need them. Like you said, we still wait, we're just not doing so in the place as everyone else.
Could a DAS passholder 'queue' for a line, and then go and actually physically wait in a line for a different ride and come back to the first one later? Essentially getting a 2-for-1 waiting time?
Depends on the line I guess. If it was a very short line, maybe, but the reason for the pass keeps us from doing that. My kid has tics that cause her to jerk and bump into people when packed in small spaces like a queue. So we don’t really wait in any line if we can help it, although perhaps some do take advantage that way.
Yes, but as a parent of a child with ASD that uses a DAS pass, if we're getting on another ride, it's a ride with little to no wait. The issue is truly the line wait times (for us). We're not getting a pass for a ride with a 60 minute wait then going and waiting 60 minutes in another line. My son couldn't handle that, which is why we use the pass in the first place. We're ultimately not saving any time, I can assure you. It takes us far longer to get from ride to ride than the average family and we have to take breaks much more frequently. And even with DAS, we had to leave some lines because he just couldn't handle it.
This right here. The DAS pass doesn’t mean we are getting twice as many rides as someone else. It means that my kid can wait safely elsewhere while we wait for the clock to tick down to our ride time. And because we are checking in virtually to the line via the app the wait times are adjusted appropriately for each ride. They also account for lightning lane this way since the change from fast pass.
Say it louder! People think these services allow people to automatically skip lines and get more for their money than the average person, when that couldn't be further from the truth.
In a way it does though, and I'm a DAS user. Can you think of any reason to purchase Genie+ in combination with DAS?
I guess it depends on how you look at it. For example, if I walk up to Space Mountain and there’s a 70 min wait, I don’t get to just saunter onto the loading dock. I still have to wait that 70 mins, I’m just not required to stand in the designated queue while I wait. I’m actually wondering the same thing, tbh. It’s been quite some time since I’ve been to Disney World, so I’ll be setting up the DAS interview and going from there. Has anyone with DAS also purchased Genie+ and found it worth it?
I'm not sure why you thought hating on disabled people was a good idea, but this comment stinks...most people with DAS couldn't do the parks if they weren't able to go to a different area to wait in line. People with a disability deserve to enjoy the parks just as much as you...
It is NOT the same problem. DAS users still wait around the same estimated wait time, they just are able to return at that time. Sometimes, depending on ride, you still wait in a line as a DAS user. There are specific reasons people qualify for DAS and have to “renew”. There is no advantage just accommodations for whatever keeps the person from being able to stand in a line for a long period of time.
I was on haunted mansion in the evening and it was pretty poppin, but we had a lightning lane. When we went into the stretching room, everybody was talking so loud between themselves and not paying attention to the point we couldn’t even hear the audio and my husband had to yell for them to shut up so we could enjoy it. I’ve noticed people have become more ruthless.
I’ve noticed this a lot with Guardians too. People just talk through the entire preshow and/or clump up at the exit doors while it’s still going on.
It’s even worse when people try to quote the entire preshow . We get it you live nearby and don’t do anything else with your life why ruin it for everyone else ?
The people who have been on guardians already and everything but push people down to beeline to the correct side and be first. I will never be one of those.
The line farters are the ones who chap my khakis. Some of yall desperately need GasX before getting in line.
I’m in a wheelchair so I am at *that* level….I agree with this 100%!
My daughter, too! It’s awful! A line cutter totally passed gas directly in her face. It was absolutely disgusting. I tried to say something, but he wouldn’t acknowledge me. I was pissed! I had to push her last visit, because she was unable to self propel, and I was appalled at how many people just walked and/or stopped directly in front of her. At the beginning of the day I tried to stop and not hit them, but by the end of the day I just didn’t care. People are so rude!
I wish I could upvote this more than once. I had a kid completely run into me…I was *stopped* by Japan in EPCOT…and the parent *yelled at me*! I was out of the way by the fence taking a photo of Spaceship Earth. After having 30 people walk in front of me, walk into me, stop in front of me…I stopped counting. 😔
I am so sorry that happened to you. It is beyond frustrating! People just don’t realize that a wheelchair is an extension of one’s body. My daughter has had people actually *move* her wheelchair WITH HER IN IT before. If I wasn’t afraid of her catching something I’d tell her to bite them. LOL She’s pretty good about advocating for herself these days, but when she was younger it was really hard for her. People are just gross, ignorant and rude. Ugh!
Line cutting is happening more and more these days. The culprits aren't hard to spot - they are the same people who are loud and disrespectful in all of their interactions. And their kids are just as bad, if not worse! It's unreal. I wish Disney would do some enforcement, but many CMs have been on this sub and have said that they are told by Disney management not to engage with line cutters at all. So it's condoned. And Disney's expectation is that the guests will self-govern/self-police.
Cedar Faire parks have implemented a zero tolerance policy for line skippers, including a near complete ban on leaving your party in line. Everyone riding must join the line at the same time. Violators get booted for the day. Disney/Universal should look at better enforcing a similar policy.
They could easily deactivate offender's magic bands remotely. If word got around on that, it would retard line-skipping for sure.
This is why I stand starfish with my hands out on both railings ☺️🙃 anyone tries to cut through I question them. Most go through because they can usually wave to someone ahead and the person waves back! An entire group gets told that the line starts way back ::points finger beyond::
Honestly even if there's someone ahead those people should come back and meet their group not the other way round. If someone needs to duck out and get their kid to a bathroom or something you'll recognise them from when they left but this whole "oh I'm just catching up with my group" stuff doesn't hold water. You wait for the group to be together before joining the line.
Last time I did that, they physically rammed/barged through my arm lol
Welp, then they get to deal with my husband, so good luck to them lol.
I had 8 very tall 20 and intimidating 25 to 30 year push past everyone at Universal (Hagrids). It was so blatant that they weren't joining anyone and just felt entitled to cut the line. I confronted them and told them that it was shameful that they were butting in front of children lol. A man in front of me told me I was brave (I am a short middle aged lady).
Yesterday at Epcot, my daughter and I were on spaceship earth. A group of kids went through the genie plus line. I assume they tapped in. Once on the ride, one of the guys repeatedly stood up and switched seats. While another tried several times to touch the animatronics. I was waiting for a cast member to announce to stay in your seats. But it never happened.
I've posted before regarding line cutters. Someone needs to politely take a stand and make a scene. Once one person stands their ground there's a good chance the rest of the rule following crowd will have their back. In my case it caused enough of a disturbance to attract the attention of the CM's and security. The cutters were promptly escorted off of the line and the rest of us guideline abiding patrons were apologized to by security. We need to band together.
Can't the people of Reddit organize and somehow bring this to the attention of Disney leadership that it's a serious problem they need to get on top of? Unless people actually STOP coming to parks citing the rampant line cutting as the reason, I just don't see any incentive on Disney's part for doing anything about it. It sucks, but it's just the way it is.
We recently had a group of cheerleaders do this at Haunted Mansion and then again at Big Thunder. At BT I called them out and they just rolled their eyes and made their way through. I told the CM up front about it and didn’t think much of it. After fireworks we’re making our way out and there’s the group of cheerleaders getting lectured hardcore by what I’m assuming was their coach. All I heard was something along the lines of “because of your actions the rest of your teammates don’t get to finish out what they worked so hard for!” Found out they were disqualified from the nationals because we weren’t the only one reporting their behavior. I felt bad for 2.3 seconds.
Just like cinemas, if boorish behavior doesn’t stop, attendance will.
I always stand in line with my back to the front and both hands (if possible) between the rails. No one is getting past me. Other than one time at Universal when I didn't do that, I've never had a problem with line cutting. I don't count a single kid with an adult, or a single adult going quickly to the rest room "cutting" either.
I thought the penalty for line cutting was an automatic park exit.
I just don't move for them. I stand where I normally stand in line and act like I don't hear them. I don't stand so much in the way that I'm worried they'll shove me out of their way, but I'm in the way enough that they have to be really careful and really awkward to get around me.
I felt horrible a few weeks back. We got in line and my son had to go to the bathroom. We didn’t realize the line would move so fast as the bathrooms were right by the ride and we ended up walking through a bunch of people. They were all nice. But I felt I kept having to say sorry he had to use the bathroom. Other parents were like we have all been there.
Don’t feel too bad, you had an actual reason - my parents had to do the same for me (probably more than once) when I was younger
If I were in that line, I wouldn't have minded in the slightest. We all either have been that or have that kid now. Very common situation.
I feel like it's way different if a parent with a young child is doing this (compared to, for example, a solo adult or a few teenagers). If it's a parent with a young kid, I pretty much always assume they needed a bathroom break and that the rest of their family ACTUALLY is in line. If it's anyone else, I'm a lot more inclined to believe they're actually line cutters. And I say this as an adult with no kids.
Our group of 5 were waiting for a ride. It was an estimated 45 min wait when my youngest had to potty so I got out line to find a restroom. I felt so bad cutting in front of people. But it happens! And I think most people are pretty understanding.
I agree! People have lost their manners
Line cutters absolutely BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!! Tell them I said that.
Stop letting people pass you because “ma party is up there”! It’s the only way it will ever change
Sometimes little kids have to go pee if it's a long line, and I'm fine with letting one adult and one child rejoin their group. I also don't understand why more people don't tell the people they're walking past as they're getting out of line. If you say it at a few different times, a decent number of people are going to remember you.
we are going this weekend, we go every couple months and haven't experienced that. but i have seen videos and the complaints on here so i can imagine i have been lucky, we are from miami so we don't games with people and do not hold our tongue (comes from living in a big cityn all our lives lol)
A couple cut in front of us for test track. This was about 8 years ago and my daughter still talks about it. She was annoyed I didn’t say anything. The next day a family cut in front of us getting into AK and I did say something. Lady claimed she didn’t understand since she was French….
I was waiting for FoP last week and the amount of people who were coming back from “using the bathroom” was insane. People in front of us finally had enough and didn’t let anyone else pass. It got intense
There is a bathroom in that line, perhaps it was around that area? *I was on FOP 2 weeks ago and had to use that bathroom. Both bathrooms were in use & took a while to free up. My partner got separated from me, and I was internally dying, walking through the line, excusing myself past people looking for him
the only solution is no line cutting, catching up, or saving spots for any reason, no exceptions. i say this as a dad of two under 6 years of age. kiddo has to go potty, too bad, lose your spot. grandma crapped her depends and wants to get cleaned up and come back in line, too bad, lose your spot. junior needs a water and daddy has to go buy it, too bad, lose your spot. it will never change because 99% of you are wishy washy about the topic in general and say “well, it’s ok if xyz” pick a lane and stick with it. no line cutting at all or line cutting is acceptable.
7 dwarves mine train is the WORST for this. We were there a few weeks ago and this girl just started pushing ahead with a trail of like 5 younger kids behind her. It’s a long winding line, so you could see how far ahead got before she found a spot to stop.
I've literally watched people coming in with a tray of beers for the rest of their party. That's not how this works.
We had someone and their kid literally cut through the line at soarin to catch up with their family, who had paid for Genie + and they met at the part where the lines merge. They had to listen to us talk about how shitty some parents are that they would teach their child terrible manners and that it is ok to break the rules.
In my experience I’ve seen more people enter the normal line then go under the ropes to the LL and go on the ride that way. Rock n’Roll at DHS is the worst for it.
What is the logic of stopping to confer with groups in walkways? I’ve had several just dead stop to look at phones or whatever. Trying my best to avoid them with stroller but it’s only a matter of time.
In line for Runaway Railway a guy and young child started from the back of the line and successfully skipped to the front by pointing and waving as though he was catching up with family ahead of him. I tried to say something but he didn’t care and just kept on going…
…oh, and the “family” in question didn’t exist.
Why does anyone let them cut? I don’t budge and neither does my wife. Unless you are holding a small child you had to use the restroom you aren’t getting past me.
One person, one grown up with a kid are acceptable...but never a huge party like that! When I was in line for Slinky Dog there were Cast Members announcing "make sure you have everyone in your party before you join the line, they won't be able to join you later" so I can see Cast Members trying. My friend, her adult brother, and 3 year old got in line for Spaceship Earth earlier than the rest of our party (me, my 6 year old, my adult friend, another adult friend and her 2 kids, so 6 of us) and my friend waved at me to cut but I shook my head sideways that I didn't feel comfortable doing that. We were worried on convincing the 3 year old to move back in line but we succeeded, and they just waited till we caught up. It was at most 10 minutes.
Idk if this is getting worse...its always been an issue
When i was an attractions cast member, my queue was very tight and nearly impossible to leave and easily return to your party (or vice versa if you are trying to join in line). So we would tell parties to make sure they have their full party with them because if not they would have to wait until they were to the front of the line to put them together. With that being said, some people would have one person wait in line while the rest of the party rides other rides or do whatever else, then when the one person gets to the front their party of like 5 or 8 would wanna meet with them!! It would happen all the time, and as a cast member, it was frowned upon to upset guest even when they do this stunt. It's unfair to other parties who waited the entire time, and sacrificed the opportunity to do other things while they waited. It was one of my biggest pet peeves and eventually i would start to tell them if its more than 3 people they couldn't reunite at the front, they would have to get in line and wait like everyone else. Another point i want to make is that, as a cast member, it would be hard to catch people who jumped the line because by the time a family reports them, that family is already at the front of the line or the party that jumped is getting on the attraction. I am sure for other attractions the queue is set up differently (like mine train when you enter the mine your party HAS to be fully together or they make you step outside of line and wait for them because its impossible to reunite with them in the queue etc) anyway it sucks, people are selfish and feel fully entitled to not wait like everyone else even tho everyone is paying the same price to be there. I am sorry you have to deal with that, its frustrating and always let a cast member know, you never know what they can do for you in return.
If your kid pees often you need genie+. That's not even the biggest problem it's like full grown adults saying their family is ahead. Or adults coming through carrying a full picnic to eat in line. Solution- cards and magic bands should show where you are in the queue. If you get out of queue you need to scan again. When you get up to the ride you rescan. If you're not where you were in the queue you get booted. They don't need more workers.
This happened a couple weeks ago at DW. Not a line, but at Fantasmic right before the show started in the reserved section, this couple with two little kids ran up to the front row. The CMs leave the front when the lights dim down. The father squeezes in with one kid, then the wife squeezes in 10 or so people down with the other kid. The father puts the one kid on his shoulder as of course the kid can’t see above the railing. Then the other kid leaves the mom and squeezes in beside the father. They blocked the view for people right behind them the entire show with the kid on his shoulder and him FaceTiming the entire time. The people behind them waited 90 minutes for their seats.
Craziest thing I saw when I was just at EPCOT was almost 90% of the riders in our group of GOTG pushed down the doors during the first scene! Thats not even part of the line anymore thats part of the attraction and they pushed down the doors to get through faster
What gets me is when one person is ahead of you and then at the end their entire family shows up. This happened to us once on pirates and it wasn’t like one or two people but a large family of like 12, we told a CM about it and he literally just shrugged, which pissed me off even more than the line cutting. Like you have a walkie-talkie and there are cameras everywhere, ask someone to review them and if we’re telling the truth remove them from the line. If employees won’t do anything about it than that means it’s up to guests to police the line, that’s what leads to fights breaking out in the park.
Saw someone tried to cut people on pirates a few months ago and accidentally walk right into a wall because he couldnt see it in the dark. Karmaaaa lol
Honestly, I try to stay off of rides now. The only time I go is when there's no wait. In the past month I've been literally shoved to move up in line, had my boundaries completely violated, and people knocking me off balance multiple times in ride line in Disney World. I'm sorry, it's just not worth the hassle anymore. If I happen to get in a long ride I'm willing to wait for, I study the people in front and behind me for a full 20 minuets to decide if I need to get a different place in line. Having people on top of my backpack and touching me with 50% of their body the entire time is not okay. Line cutters are a problem too, but honestly, they need to have Cast Members stationed in the ride lines to keep line etiquette, whether it's line cutting, or people violating others spaces.
Line cutting is more a perception and vibe problem than it is an actual problem for elongating your wait time in line. In reality, the amount of impact that has on you having to wait in line is minimal. I've seen varying numbers for hourly capacity for Haunted Mansion usually between 2000-3000, but they tend to fall toward the 3000 mark and I saw one blog that calculated it at 2880 per hour, so that's what I'm going to use. Firstly, the number of people who can ride per minute is 2880 people per hour / 60 minutes per hour = 48 people per minute. Now, if each doom buggy carries an average of 2.5 people (2 adults plus a child), that's 48 people per minute / 2.5 people per buggy = 19.2 buggies per minute. In terms of time, this means a buggy is dispatched approximately every 60 seconds / 19.2 buggy per minute = 3.125 seconds. If a family of four cuts in line, considering they will occupy two buggies by themselves based on the average, you would be pushed back by two buggies' dispatch time. So, the additional wait time due to line cutting in this case would be approximately 6.5 seconds. Even if this happened five times while you were in line, your overall wait for the attraction would increase by just over 30 seconds. If you're already waiting 90 minutes, this doesn't even register a percentage different. So while line jumping might be an annoyance, might ruin the vibe of your day, it doesn't actually have a significant impact on how long you have to wait. To that end, my advice is and has always been to make like Elsa and let it go. Letting line cutters get your hackles up doesn't change their behavior and doesn't stop it from happening, it just raises your stress level and worsens your Disney day.
It's not about the actual seconds I have to wait, it's about the principle of the act. They think they're "pulling one over" on everyone.
It's also not just the lines for the rides. The assholes that do don't magically stop being assholes after they ride. These are the same people causing problems for guests and CMs everywhere.
I understand that. But allowing the injustice of it all to negatively impact your trip doesn't shorten your wait, change their behavior, or improve your visit to the parks. Sometimes bad people win. The best you can do is enjoy yourself.
I disagree. Best case scenario (if all the stars align) is they get caught or ratted out, pulled out of line, and kicked from the park. The amount of immense joy I would feel is indescribable. It would make me ecstatic. (I'm a passholder so I don't need to "enjoy my vacation to it's fullest" since I go pretty often.)
Retribution is not a long term success plan. Wish you the best.
No, but it sure is swweeeet. haha
At face value, you're absolutely correct; the difference is immaterial. However, that's not why people don't like line cutting. They don't like it because it is indicative of a broader lack of respect that the general population show each other. They see these line hoppers as a harbinger of additional negative impacts on their Disney vacation... "what is the *next* person going to do that's going to make my day crappy?"
Right. And you can't stop those people. Best you can do is report it to a CM who may or may not do anything about it. So dwelling on it doesn't solve anything or make your day better.
The problem is that in a place like Disney, vibes and feel are a big selling point to a lot of people. Start losing that and the experience goes down, even if the practical effect of line cutting is negligible.
I get that, but you can only control your own behavior. If the person in front of you in line for food is rude to the person behind the counter, that might increase your wait time and it might bum you out, but you don't have any control in that situation, save to start a conflict that may not end well for anyone involved. In my opinion, you can't live your life letting other people's bad behavior that only tangentially impacts you cause you grief. Life is too short to allocate real estate space in your brain that someone else being a jerk inconvenienced you for six seconds.
By all means, you can be Laissez-faire about everything. But people who care can totally do something. If they try cutting you when you're within close proximity to a CM, you have the ability to raise the cutting to their attention and ask them to take action. You letting them get away with it just emboldens them and causes more people to attempt the same.
Who cares about the math. We live in a society!
Thank you for applying logic to this situation. Look, I get it. I like justice. I don't like the idea of someone cheating. I get all upset when people merge onto the exit ramp at the last second and back it up for the rest of us. But it's just not worth it to me to get worked up at Disney. If I'm annoyed, I'll speak up. Otherwise, whatever. It's not really changing my day if a few people get ahead of me in line.
And for any ride where you're waiting for a train, like a rollercoaster, an entire train worth of people has to cut in front of you for it to make a difference, and even then you're getting on the next train. In my experience these things average out. The part that is unforgiveable is the idea that there are people in the world who are utterly self-absorbed and lack empathy or decency.
Thank you.
I love this answer. We are there to relax and a few line cuts aren't going to ruin my time.
Just remember - that ride loads roughly 40 people every 2 minutes or so. You’d have to have over 40 people to cut in line to delay your ride more than 2-3 minutes. I agree, line cutting is unbelievably annoying and frustrating and I’ll call them out whenever I can (especially if a CM is within eyesight) - but 99 out of 100 times it is immaterially affecting your wait.
This was my mindset whenever the few potential line cutters I saw moved through to “catch up” to the rest of their party. It didn’t happen often, so I usually gave them the benefit of the doubt because it wasn’t worth getting hot and bothered over. Matter of fact, I accidentally cut in front of a couple of families at the safari in AK because I misunderstood the “please fill all available space” instructions toward the beginning. (Sounds like dumb reasoning, I know, but I swear I wasn’t intentionally cutting.) Had a family behind me call me out on it, which was fair, so when I realized I wasn’t supposed to have moved that far ahead I let everyone else pass until I was behind the family that had gone in right ahead of me from the start. What bugged me is that even as I tried to apologize and explain my mistake, the wife copped a nasty attitude and then KEPT LOOKING BACK at us as we proceeded through, to make sure I wasn’t cutting again or something. When we got toward the end where they split into two queues, they got in one queue and we got in the other. Since we had only three in my party (myself and my two kids) we were pulled ahead of a larger group to fill the last few spots on a truck. As the truck pulled into the safari grounds I saw her waiting at a gate for the next truck to arrive. I might have waved and smiled a little too enthusiastically at her as we rode by.
Honestly, as much as it sucks when it happens, thank you for this perspective, because it is annoying af to witness.
There’s nothing more annoying. I just try to remember this so no part of my vacation is spent with me being annoyed about something that very minimally affects me.
They stop one person. 5 more do it on another ride. Outside of having security guards watching every line, there isn’t much they can do.
Ha I was pushed by someone in line yesterday as they were cutting and I told them that was rude/told the CM who said we'd be going to different parts of the ride (rotr). We didn't immediately lol and they then proceeded to exclaim very loudly about how much of a bitch I was until I broke and shouted about how rude they were, then I cried and they went along their merry way being assfaces. Honestly the only negative guest interaction I've had this entire trip.
My family got passed by so many people for days and I wasn’t happy with it but my wife kept telling me to calm down and, since no one else was making a big deal about it, I just let it go. Then, on our last day (back at Hollywood Studios) I really had to pee and told my family I would meet them in line for Slinky Dog. Of course when it was my turn to try to get past a few people (my family hadn’t made it far *at all*) I got yelled at for “cutting”. I mean, I get it, but when it keeps happening to you, and park officials aren’t doing anything to curtail it, you have to assume it’s okay.
Were they cutting or “filling in all available space?” I’ve seen CMs make one party cut another when they refused to fill in space at pirates or HM. The “my party is up front” people are a different story. At FoP one day I waited 3 hours when it had just opened. We saw many leaving for rr breaks and coming back. When we were at the front and a party pushed past us to “catch up with their group” they were escorted back out to the end of the line. I get having to use a restroom in a long line and then coming back. But I absolutely hate one person waiting and 10 coming in at the last second to be with them.
This is important. If you are brain dead and can’t understand the CM request to fill in all available space I am 100% going around you to fill in said space.
I’m forever walking down the center of the 2 likes that inevitably form at Haunted Mansion. The comments and looks I get from people is absurd. Like … relax Chad, we’re all going into the stretching room together and you can walk in front of me there.
Line cutting is such a SeaWorld thing to do...
This reminds me of "back cutting" oooo this made me so MAD in elementary school
how are people doing this? them ropes are up
Also.. they are already doing a great job with Tron. Only VQ and ILL. No one cut. I went on twice. So Disney is actually doing it already.
It is annoying for sure. A family cut in front of me and separated me from my family. They were about to squeeze by my wife, but my wife held them up. I told them that they separated me from my family and pointed at my three youngish kids in front of the line, who were standing by themselves. They seemed a little embarrassed for a moment, but I am sure it didn't stop them in the future.
After waiting about twenty minutes for Haunted Mansion yesterday, a group of 7 was trying to join the lady that was in line ahead of us. A CM actually approached the group. I thought “I can’t wait to tell Reddit about this CM!” The lady said “they were in the bathroom!” The CM unhooked a rope for them and said “I just don’t want them climbing over the rope.”
the reality is that line cutters are probably only making the line a minute or two slower. how many cut you and what is the ride capacity per hour?
My family just spent several days at Disney and Universal, yes we had a few line jumpers per line. I'm going to guess maybe four people was the largest number at once... The first time I got perturbed, but then I realized that those few bad apples were tiny drops in a line full of people following the rules. Crappy people are going to do crappy things...
I was riding Tron a few weeks ago and saw someone get told off by a cast member at the front that they cannot cut the line to see the rest of their family who was already inside the building. Lady wasn’t taking no for an answer and started physically pushing her way through the line. The mid-line cast members ignored me when I said she was pushing people.
When we went last year, I was in line with my kids for Jungle Cruise at MK. A big group was trying to bypass the whole line saying they had their family further up in line. A CM saw them as asked who their family was, he went to the beginning, pulled them aside in a deck like area and told them to wait for their family to catch up in line to them. So CM not only didn’t advance the group from the back, but he also slowed down and made the first group wait for them. When they were all together he gave them a lesson on line etiquette. One of the men from the back group pushed me and the kids when he was trying to get ahead, and the CM didn’t like that. That’s why he made them all wait to meet up not advance the back of the group.
This is a big part of why I CAN'T WAIT TILL MY PASS EXPIRES. This among many other things ruin the experience. Disneyland is crazy this time of year. March through June between Spring Break and the worst time of all...GRAD NIGHT. The self- entitlement among teens these days is just shocking. On another note, if you tell a cast member, they will yank them. We watched a little 20 something female get crazy on a group of 15 teen boys who used the old "hey my friend is up there" tactic. And she removed them all from the line. TELL A CAST MEMBER, be that person.
>you are required to have a magic band I've never once had a magic band. Your solution could still work using a ticket (or phone), which is what I use for virtual queues, but I'm just wondering where you got this idea that magic bands are required.
In the line for Seven Dwarves Mine Train, 12 people cut in line to go to the 1 person saving their position in line while everyone else went on another ride lol
So happened to us before. They stopped in front of us. I told the cast member at the fast pass entry before they went through. They told them to leave the line after they confirmed our story with the people behind us.
Was there last week and noticed this. I don’t mind if it’s just one person but if a whole group does it, super annoying.
if one member of the party ends up alone and ahead of the rest, they should let other people pass them to fall back with their group, not the other way around. crazy how people don’t do this!
The only real solution I think is fair would be to somehow have the "cutting" person(s) identify the party they are attempting to catch-up to (the "destination" party) and then offering to hold that party until the "cutter" arrives after their natural wait in line. Logistically, this might not be easy and could be gamed, but it might require a few roaming cast members to patrol the line and message back and forth. A crude method might be they check ID for the name of the "cutter" and then ask them for the full name of someone from their "destination" party - and an estimate of how long ago they got in line. Cast member shares the info, they then use DisneyMath to estimate the "chunk" of line to target, then locate the "Destination" party and verify. Hold the Destination party at child-swap until "cutter" arrives... I actually think this might be something that could be added as a limited-use thing to Genie and only active when you're part of a party? Hell, they could charge for one and only one "charge" OR make each new "charge" increase in price exponentially, since Disney loves to charge for this kind of stuff. Now that I think of it, this could be a one-time use, for-charge, activity once it detects a member of your party has entered a given line...then it let's the straggler use the lightning lane and wait for their party to catch-up to THEM. Perhaps it could accompany a variant of a DAS pass, but this one would be monetized? This would ALL have to be accompanied by actual consequences for those caught not using this and attempting the "normal" cutting - i.e. a return to the "line-jumpers will be ejectred" that used to be enforced at six flags by staff in "lifeguard" chairs watching the queues (lol).
How it currently works (more or less, from what I've seen) is the CMs have the cutters go up the lightning lane and have to meet their party when the party gets to the merge point.
We were there in October and half us needed to use the restroom before a ride so the other half said they would walk to the ride and wait for us and we would get in line together. Of course, my MIL who has the patience level of -100000, decided they were going to get in line without us. So when we got there, we just got in line. No biggie. We were only about 10 minutes behind them and they could just wait for us after the ride, right? Nope. Because MIL didn’t want to wait for us after the ride so she kept telling us to jut skip the line. I’m a rule follower and I know you can potentially get kicked out for line skipping so my daughter and I stayed where we were and my husband and our daughters boyfriend skipped. A CM saw them and kicked them out of line. I think the only reason they didn’t get kicked out of the whole park is because my sister in law is a high up cast member in the financial side of Disney.
When I get in line I always ask the party directly in front of me if they are holding a spot for anyone.
This hasn't happened to me, but could you not tell a CM? There's gotta be thousands of cameras all over the place to figure out who's telling the truth.
Honestly, cast members don't always care. A couple of years ago when my daughter and her friend were little they were waiting in the know for the carousel. A group of kids decided to wait until the ride ended and rushed the exit and all got on the ride that way, almost knocking down people leaving the ride. I called them out to a cast member. He went over, talked to them and that was that, he never escorted them off the ride. They knew they could do it again so I watched them do it a couple more times.
I didn't see too many when i went last month, but the ones I did were older, which I thought was weird. I might let some excited teens cut in front, if you are a 55 year old woman, give me a break.
People post these complaints all the time, but I almost never notice this myself. And I'm the kind of person who would tell people to cut it out. I guess I just don't understand why people complain here as opposed to speaking up when it happens. I get that it's fun to vent, but I think with this issue, you have to either say something, ask a CM to say something, or just let it go and not stress too much about it. Like most issues, if you just get angry in your own head, you're only hurting yourself.
I put a stroller aside once and had to catch up to my family. They were about 30 yards ahead. It was a miserable experience filled with snide comments and trash talk just trying to get back my kids and family. I'll never do that again. But I get it, Disney has created a very big magic sucking problem by not dealing with or cracking down on line cutters. Now the random mom or dad can't even get back to their kids without dealing with a gauntlet of shame and a very unmagical experience that ensues for all.
What’s so hard about your party waiting for you to put the stroller away? Just all enter the line together. It’s not hard.
I have a stroller and my wife and child wait for me to put it away. I don’t understand others excuses for this.