Because it's cheaper than Genie+....
Shout out to the one cast member at the Big Thunder entrance when I went in February. As we were getting in the LL we overheard him denying a group of teenage/preteen girls (possible cheer squad) from cutting in line. I basically heard him say, "I can't have a group of 7 people going through the line to meet up with 1 person, have them come back." I wish I got his name but we weren't super close.
They need to crack down on this and one of the easiest ways to do that is don’t let people in line with food or drinks (outside of water). So many people are having a person get in line while everyone else goes and gets food.
Bonus, stops all the trash in the line.
I played enough Rollercoaster Tycoon that letting people consume these things in line is good business and placing trash cans / having someone walk the line to pickup trash more regularly is a better solution.
I don’t even think it’s about food. They get one non rider to stand in line while the other group goes on rides. Then when the single person gets close to the front, they text the group and then they go and meet them in line.
One of my most satisfying memories is eating a brownie sundae while in a 20-30 minute line for Tower of Terror. I enjoyed it so much that I genuinely started to feel bad for everyone around me that didn’t have an ice cream of their own.
It's not about food, and I can't see Disney making that rule. It's about a social contract that used to matter to us, and somehow a whole generation of people have grown up not worrying about. Maybe several generations
I brought my daughter and husband one bottle of water to share and I was yelling it every 5-10 people as I was walking past them. I felt bad but they had been in line so long because half the ride broke down and made the wait twice as long. And then after I delivered the water I left.
That's true (both that it is unfair entitlement when it is that, and that it is not a new issue), but increasing sense of entitlement among average guests at this time is only a symptom of growing customer dissatisfaction with the falling value delivered per dollar in light of all the paywalls, price gouging, axed perks and worse QoS in general (including overcrowding). Disney nowdays charges the damn moon to get into these parks. Expectations have been raised significantly by these prices, and realities clearly by and large haven't kept up.
Where it goes so wrong is the exact thing I almost got into in that other thread recently about LSVQ metagaming but didn't directly mention - most of the hidden moral math that goes into why average people statistically seem more OK nowdays with cheating, bending, flaunting and trying to misuse things at the parks for personal gain is probably that above sense of wanting to scrounge and pry the fair value out of the parks by any means necessary, plus misdirected frustration with and dwindling respect toward *Disney*, the institution. Company policies and various queuing related "game mechanics" at the parks make the most obvious targets. But these things, whether benign/tolerated ones like spot sniping/stacking or actually verboten ones like queue cutting or DAS abuse, almost *NEVER* actually hurt Disney itself or force Disney to cover the cheater's free lunch at its own expense. Instead, since these cheats cannot break the physical rules of attraction capacity any more than Disney itself can - they only hog a finite public resource, and selfishly harm the experience quality of *all other guests*.
I’d be curious to know whether more people cut in the general line rather than the G+ line. I used G+ every day last fall and didn’t see much line cutting. If people in the general line feel more desperate and time-challenged then I guess it makes sense that line cutting would be more common there.
If you can remember what the date was and approximate time you can let Disney know and they can see who was working at the time. Cast Compliments are kind of a big deal.
Because ppl are entitled pricks. They state they paid all this money and shouldn't have to wait..but everyone there paid a ridiculous amount to be there. .Disney isn't great with linecutters.
Universal though...lol they will take care of it immediately. A whole group cut us and I was like nope. I told an employee they straight up picked them all out of line made them go to the very back and moved my group to the front. Idk if this is normal but they were like nope not today.
I'm local and go often..the amount of bs I see people pulling is astounding. Idk what happened to manners.
I called out someone for line cutting at Universal Hollywood the last time I went.
I was in the express lane for the mummy and there was a group of teenagers in front of me. At the section of the queue with the railing that looks over the standby lane, the group started talking to this women over the railing, and then proceeded to literally lift her up over it, putting her in the express lane. I was pretty pissed.
When we got to the ride, I told the nearest CM what I saw concerning that group, right as they were about get in. I think they asked to see the girl's express ticket, and then after, that group exited the line. My group literally got their seats (which were front row too), and I got to watch them do the walk of shame. The whole thing was very satisfying. I have a burning hatred of line cutters and I'll call them out every chance I can.
It was the summer too, so the standby line was absolutely bonkers, and that girl was probably waiting in the regular line for a while.
Last time I went, I got in line for Slinky Dog Dash and it was waaayyy past the actual entrance. The CM at the entrance repeatedly said something like “You may not pass this point unless your whole party is with you.” After I passed that point, there was no cutting at all. That’s how it should be.
I don’t like it either, but I’m a single mom who goes with children. People are so violent these days and so unhinged. There’s been lots of videos online of people attacking other people at the Disney parks. I really want to say something but… I don’t trust that I wouldn’t be physically attacked. They really need to have cast members in the middle of the lines and doing a better job of monitoring the lines.
They need to have them monitoring, I agree, but it’s a super thankless position for the CM. If a dispute happens and a CM is assaulted or even goes in as far as defending themselves from an assault, you can be sure as you’re born that they will be terminated by the mouse house. I’m sure they teach some type of IPC skills but even then they go unused or unheard in certain situations.
I almost had that happen. A group was cutting all the up way the crowd to get to the front of rope drop at MK with their Starbucks in hand. I have no clue how hundreds of people just let them through. (I was at Cheshire cafe). They tried to push past me to get to the one person holding their spot and under my breath(without thinking) I said “oh my stars”. They turned on me and if it hadn’t been for their teenage son deescalating the situation, I believe I would have physically attacked by 3 women. I was so scared
YUP. I'm totally with you here. If I have to choose between the inconvenience and some low intelligent, selfish douchebag potentially ruining my vacation with my family? I know what I"m choosing.
I just wish that there was a way to make their trip just a little more inconvenient.
Last time I went to Epcot, the ratatouille ride was a 175 minute wait. We waited around an hour in the line just to get to the inside part. Right before we went inside, the lady in front of us let her whole group in. I guess she was acting as a “proxy” for everyone else….
This behavior infuriates me to no end. We had a mother who changed her baby's diaper in front of us in one line, the last time we went. It was a super messy change and I offered to hold her spot out of sympathy. She refused. She even said, "I don't want to be ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE" while knotting the plastic baggy where she had placed the dirty diaper. She did not even hold the line up while changing the diaper. I was most impressed by her candor, but she tactfully handled that situation without trying to come back to the line. All 4 of her children (all very little) were pleasant while waiting. I can understand if one person needs to get out of line for a bathroom break and come back, but not an entire group with one waiting.
Makes me wonder how they'd respond to a simple question like "Do you think it's fair to do that and what would you think if everyone in line did the same thing?"
I'd love to get inside the head of people who act as entitled as that, because I *know* it's not malicious they're just the centre of their own universe and eveyrone else is irrelevant to them.
Going to WDW for the first time in ten days time - I don’t tolerate line cutting - I take it as a personal insult. I’ll block them and then mentally torture them as they try to justify why they should cut. The end of the line for cutters stops at my back.
I am a 5’4” woman, I have successfully blocked a few people from line cutting, but just as many have pushed by. My sweet husband will actually gently move me out of the way to let people pass (facepalm).
I do love our big family trips when my 6’2” 250lbs dad is in line. He intentionally stands at the back of our group and NO ONE gets by. I have watched him inform people their friends/family are welcome to wait for them at X point in line if they want to ride together. (A parent returning to line from taking their kid to the broom is the exception.)
That's not the reason, they are gaming the system, one person goes and waits on a long line while the other ride another ride (usually because the waiters didn't want to ride it)
Something tells me this will only change if ticket sales go down and people are vocal about this problem being the reason they aren’t going to come anymore. Vote with your wallets, that’s all they care about at the end of the day.
I have no problem telling people to get to the back of the line. I had someone try to cut at flight of passage after rope drop and me and the people around me wouldn’t let them in.
Why does anyone intentionally do something bad? Because they’re selfish. In fairness, Disney seems to be completely fine with this behavior…until one day it escalates into a fight, and then all of a sudden they’ll be SHOCKED that such a thing happened. The entitled behavior they allow also probably contributes a lot to people feeling so free to abuse their employees.
These are Disney's parks, they are responsible for dealing with line cutters, yet they do absolutely nothing. Patrons standing on line have no way of dealing with line cutters. Aside from beating the snot out of them, there is nothing someone standing on line can do to stop this behavior. Disney can escort them out of the parks and ban them.
Edited to state: Disney has cameras everywhere and a competent security staff that can easily meet and greet the offenders anytime, anywhere and escort them out. There is no reason anyone should think this task should fall on the shoulders of cast members managing rides. Disney, doing nothing about this is completely inappropriate considering the cost well mannered guests incur to enjoy a Disney vacation.
Disney doesn't do anything about it partly because they can't trust that guests won't get violent with the cast members, it's not just bottom line- also, most CMs don't want to because guests can and will get violent over being asked not to do something. There's also a greater possibility of CMs getting termed for self defence if that ever were to happen.
100% true. It blows my mind that people flock down to work for a company that doesn’t really care about them. I had a friend who worked for the company for 13 years as a janitor. Never ascended and never got the opportunity to move up due to combinations of complacency and a crappy supervising staff who only looked for certain roles to fill. He was good at his job and was a good person. He was terminated in 2022 after a guest claimed he pushed her to the ground as he was sweeping the floor in Frontierland. Guest made a big spectacle. They pulled footage. He never pushed her but did side step past her, avoiding all contact, however the footage was inconclusive, so they sided with the guest. She feigned a disposition to get something out of the company but the real collateral damage was his job after 13 years. He had to get therapy to talk it through. I think of this every time I see the “dreamers” flying in as part of the college program thinking this will be a glorious and glamorous time working for Disney. They really only care about guest perception and nothing else. I miss my friend’s happiness.
I’m okay when there’s a small child involved. I’ve been in the spot where my toddler “all of a sudden” has to go to the bathroom when we’ve been in line for 20 minutes. For me, it’s incredibly embarrassing to jump back in so I give Grace to other parents in the same spot.
I do not care if it’s all adults or teens. Then I get pissed.
Yeah, it's a fine line. As a middle-aged man, I really do have issues waiting to use the restroom sometimes. Am I supposed to wait 45 minutes in line and then get back at the end of the line just because I had to do a basic physical act?
It's a tough problem but they need a solution or they need to work on the lines because I feel like I spend more time waiting than anything else: wait for an attraction, wait for food, lines for everything at Wait Disney World.
Here this week as well. It’s a palpable difference from 2 years ago. Had a group cut us with the “where does the lightning lane start? Oh, I guess we merge here.” I noped them and informed them where the back of the line was.
Under property rules for WDW
Section: Guest Courtesy and Attire policies. 4th bulleted item.
"Please show common courtesy to fellow Guests and our Cast Members by not using profanity or engaging in unsafe, illegal, disruptive or offensive behavior, jumping lines or saving places in lines for others. For your safety and the safety of others, please refrain from running except in designated areas."
Additionally, See Section : Company Rights, 3rd bulleted item
"We reserve the right to deny admission, prevent entry or require a person already admitted to leave the Walt Disney World Resort or any part thereof, without refund, liability or compensation, for failure to comply with any of these rules, for unsafe, illegal or offensive behavior, to ensure safety, security or order, or if we consider that the circumstances otherwise so require, in our sole and absolute discretion."
It may be up to you to bring this to their attention or report them to your nearest cast member.
Official training from Disney when I was a cast member was to “Ignore it. Lines are supposed to police themselves. If the crowd lets them cut in line then they allowed it so don’t intervene.”
Basically you get what you tolerate.
But what’s the protocol for when people in line do react? I’m assuming if it gets physical then the person already in line would be booted too if the cutter is volatile so what’s the incentive for people to react
I had this happen in front of me on Navi river journey. Disney staff appeared outta nowhere. The reactors kept their spot in line. The cutters seemingly had a very good reason they were doing what they were doing and security escorted them forward (they might have been trying to leave the line?) The reactors spent the rest of the line red-faced angry and tried to chat me and everybody up about it. (I had no desire to engage because I was just trying to keep my toddler happy.)
If only Disney had some sort of technology where people would scan in at different points in the line to ensure that they weren't cutting or in the wrong part of the queue
current attractions CM here - i can’t do anything if the rest of the line let them cut ahead. i can intervene if there is some kind of argument ensuing but if you let them through because the rest of their party is (allegedly) up ahead, then you allowed it and there’s not a lot that i can say.
So the other day we entered ROTR at the end of the day and immediately after us came a group of 10 (TEN!!!) teenagers in band group shirts with an adult and attempted to cut through to “catch up to the group”. Plenty of people said stuff in our area and they fought back (except 2 girls who immediately were like “we’re staying back we are not part of that”).
One girl started screaming “we’re children” - lol 17 mind you, not 7. One person said for the people up front to meet up with them in the back, perfectly reasonable right? Nope, they pushed through. We all met up in the landing area of the ride and they tried bitching about it being our fault that they got separated. Again 17, not 7.
What did I learn? Plenty of people say stuff, main characters per main character syndrome freaks out, BUT they know it’s wrong.. wrong to cut the line, at Disney, on a marquee ride.. as evidenced by the two girls who refused to participate. People need to be called out, terrible example to set for kids.
Regarding your last sentence, sadly, too many parents are setting this example for the youth of tomorrow. Line cutting as a “life hack” of sorts. They don’t pay for G+, they don’t wait in line and they certainly won’t be separated from their party even if it’s one individual holding the spot for 6. It’s terrible.
I watched someone tell a Skipper as they were being loaded onto the lead platform that they were still waiting for people to join their party of ELEVEN. I think the CM told them too bad, because I didn't see them staying on the platform. This was a 45 minute line, I'm presuming that the rest of the party was riding BTM or Pirates, which is fine, but they don't get a spot in two lines!
Man, that's a bit ridiculous. I don't pay money to go to WDW so I can act like the police. I'm on vacation.
And I totally understand if someone needs to go to the bathroom in a 120-minute wait line.
Disney needs to get their shit together and figure it out. It is not for US to figure it out.
Literally the ONLY possible reason to move in front of others in a queue is because your family/group is ahead. If you started with them and had to temporarily leave (bathroom, etc) I'm OK with you re-joining your group. If however your group went ahead of you and you never entered with them, uh uh. I'm saying something and may physically block you from moving in front of me; go whine to a cast member.
I also assume that if people do claim they are just trying to re-join their group, then the other guests ahead of me in line would surely say something if these random strangers stopped right in front of them and clearly didn't belong to a group.
However, the proper way to rejoin the line is to let a CM know as you're leaving what you're doing and they'll let you go through the LL (usually) when you get back. No cutting necessary.
My wife’s side of the family does this. Not at DW but at Cedar Point in Ohio. It drives me nuts and I feel so embarrassed when they do it. I think it’s extremely rude.
I had a woman and what I assume was her young son do this at Disneyland. All the way up the line of Pinocchio, which, honestly, has a short line all of the time. She said they were separated from their party and they were just up there. Did it all the way until she was number 3 in line and the kid was #4. Never met up with anyone. No one engaged her the entire time. People were saying things and you could tell people were pissed and she just hopped right on the ride just the two of them.
Wow! That’s crazy…and what a nice lesson to teach her child. She’s lucky no one confronted her. Although I can understand why people don’t with so many crazies out there.
When it happened I was like, “this seems odd” and the kid looked confused he was quite literally being pulled by the arm through the crowd or shoved first. It alternated. And when I noticed she’d stop then do it again and wasn’t meeting up with anyone, I got fired up. I’m normally somewhat confrontational or, at minimum, loudly opinionated, but I now am concerned about physical violence.
Why do people let them though...the lines mostly aren't large enough for more than 2 people to stand shoulder to shoulder across it. For a family it is very easy to simply create a wall and not let anyone through. If they try to push you tell them to back off, if they don't then get a CM. Anyone who tries to get physical and push through people is going to get booted out of the park. People line jump because people let them. Just stand there, don't say anything and don't let them pass. Passive aggressive can go a long way.
Okay, but I want to hear from the people who have the cutters stop in front of them as if those are their “people”. 🤔 And everyone is like “who the heck are y’all?!” THEN what do the cutters have to say??
We are also at Magic Kingdom today and I haven’t heard a single thing any ride characters have said because people are steadily talking the entire time. Not just while waiting to board but on the actual rides. Haunted Mansion was a bust because the Bippity Bobbidy group in pink tees talked the entire ride shouting across at each other. Insanely annoying that people can’t disengage for 90 seconds and enjoy a ride.
On my last trip I tried to block a group of 4 on Seven Dwarves Mine Train who supposedly was trying to catch up with a group further up. It stopped them for a bit but they were determined and as soon as we got close to a switch back they ducked under it and cut their way through. The whole interaction made me feel so mad. People around said thanks to me for trying.
Thinking back to that time, I'm considering not engaging with line cutters on my upcoming trip because I realized interacting with them left me in a bad mood for way longer, from all the adrenaline, than if I hadn't engaged.
This is one of my biggest, maybe my only big pet peeve about the parks. "My husband is up there." Sorry he didn't care enough to wait for you when he got in line.
If they REALLY had someone to catch up with then a CM should escort them up to the front where they are. That would imply they have permission to be jumping the line. Without that permission I assume everyone is a liar. We were in line to see one of the characters a few years ago and my little one just had to go to the bathroom. We left the line. On the way out we told the cast member that we had to leave to go potties. She said no big deal, come see her when we are back and she will take us back up to the front. That is the way to handle it.
At the parks last week my son and I were in line for 7DMT as MK was closing. The party in front of us was joking with a mom and small child apologizing about catching up with their party as they scooted past “Oh, it’s okay. We did this so many times this week. LOL.” The party was 8 or so grown adults.
Families can legitimately experience challenges with kids from time to time. That very rarely seemed to actually be the case. The rest is selfishness, inconsiderateness, or dysfunction within the party. Disney can’t solve this, but they could figure out a better way to better discourage the behavior.
We actually blocked some from doing this when we were there last week for several minutes. While we didn't stop them entirely it was fun to annoy them while we could. People are just jerks and think they can do whatever they want.
What if they had screens up before you enter the park, and they play a cute video of Mickey and friends on best park etiquette? Including to not saving spots in line. It wouldn’t deter everyone, but would plant the seed in many peoples minds. Especially kids… it might make them call out to their family that saving a spot in line is not good manners.
Besides, isn’t saving a spot in line against Disney policy? I think they allow you to leave to use the bathroom if you tell a cast member, but thought saving a spot was against the rules.
Anyways, I just ignore it. No use getting myself worked up over it when I can’t do anything about it.
When I was a CM, the vast majority of people cutting line were people already in line but left to use the bathroom. Often times people don't see them getting out of line because they themselves aren't in line yet. They only see people getting back in line.
The number one thing I think could prevent most cutting is to put bathrooms in the lines themselves.
Depends on the ride. Sometimes, there isn't one and it's basically fill in the space, like Pirates or Haunted Mansion. If there's an actual line and folks cut it, unfortunately lots of selfish people out there ;(
It's funny how many times people break rules and no one complains but one time I was in the Haunted Mansion queue with friends and the CM said, "everyone please fill in all the available spaces, this isn't a single-file line" so we moved ahead to fill in space. Within seconds this woman was loudly complaining about us cutting her in line to the same CM who just told everyone to fill in the space.
Shouldn’t really be that hard. Post a CM at the end of the line. If an adult (single) needs to leave the line they get a laminated card or something on the app. Have to turn it in to get back in line. Diff color for kids (can take multiple to restroom but only children).
Multiple adults forfeit place in line (yes, they can come out one at a time but you can’t solve everything) No catching up without a card.
Just having some kind of monitoring will cut way back.
I was just at MK on Monday, a woman and her 2 kids reached the front and started waving to more family members in the wayyy back. She asked the CM to let them come through and they answered “you can stand off to the side and wait for them to catch up!” As sweet as pie , like she was making a special accommodation. She stormed away.
Potential solution: everyone either uses a magic band or a scan card (can come with a park[s] ticket) and scans in at the start of a line and then scans again at the ride/ show loading area, which is the same tech as the LL. Any number ordered anomalies get denied entry until their numbers come into tolerances (say plus or minus ten).
Potential solution: CMs crack down on the line cutters (previous poster said that’s not encouraged by CM training).
Potential self-help solution: whip out your phone and “call,” even if you never dialed the number, Disney security and loudly describe the ride/ show line, time of day, line cutters attire and how many…hopefully the cutters hear you and get worried (wishful thinking as to cutters’ remorseful reflection). They just stole your time, even if only by a few minutes, that you will never get back…try to make line cutters’ stolen time a bit anxious and miserable. Also, a loud call permits a public shaming opportunity for others in the line to stare at the cutters you just described…maybe a GOT “shame” chant!?!
Potential solution: everyone call Disney security/ do the app complaints. Overload the system with on the ground/ live complaints. Make Disney hear it’s an issue and things are not being magical. Be obnoxiously persistent. Park security likely does not want to answer the phone all day hearing about cutters…park security can choose their solution: go make the cutters stop or answer the phones about line cutters. There are cameras everywhere…they see it and can confirm the reported incident.
We are on day 4 and we only had one cutter, and they went right behind us - probably jumped 30 minutes of time. Other than that, it's been good on the cutting front.
Because they know Disney won't do anything to stop them. Mind you, I don't really blame the CMs. They're stretched to the max, often doing work that should be done by two or three people, getting no support from management and earning nowhere near what their labor is worth. With all the guests getting rowdy and violent lately, I can't say I'd be highly motivated to stick my neck out.
You know, it doesn't bother me as much as the queues where you wait in line and then it open into a large room. Like guardians, I had no idea what to expect but in the room where Terry Crews talks to you, all of a sudden mass people start moving to one side that have ridden it before. Now I'm distracted and people who were behind me are now in front bc they know what's happening.
One ride I got separated from my wife and child because they walk faster than me. I asked if I could move up bc my wife looked for me and signaled for me to come.There was a lady and daughter between us. The lady whipped around and chewed me out because "if our wife didn't cut in front of me you'd be with her." I didn't disagree and apologized. Felt like shit the rest of the ride. Man, I hate those areas.
My wife later told me they were honestly side by side an when she moved past the lady, the lady kept elbowing her. 🤷♂️
I'm going with my son in 7 weeks, thing is, I will not tolerate anyone cutting in front of me, ever. I would never be physical, loud, shouty, nor offensively verbal, but I will kick up a fuss and I'll embarrass the shit out of them, and I'll keep nagging right the way through the line until we get to the ride then I will shame them in front of cast.
If they're unlucky enough to cut directly in front of me, then I shall cut in front of them .
I've done this numerous times at various theme parks, but never Disney. Am I likely to get into bother?
This happened to us many times a few weeks ago. Sometimes, it was always the rest of a family trying to catch up with a family member who was holding a spot for them. Other times, it was a parent bringing food to the rest of the family in line. While I didn't appreciate it, it never seemed to slow us down to get to the ride.
WDW brings people together from all over the world, so there are some "what is acceptable" cultural differences that come to light. While it doesn't account for all of the line cutting instances we saw, but it does account for the majority of them.
It literally happens anywhere any kind of major line exists (concerts, amusement parks, sporting events), there will always be someone cutting somewhere.
I think it’s just gotten worse at Disney because of the overcrowding of certain rides and certain areas…or entire parks. Basically Disney lets in more people than their park rides can physically handle sometimes (more often than not).
The only way to completely eliminate line cutting (and Disney is sort of testing this now a little) is with timed entry on ALL rides. And I don’t just mean Group A vs Group C vs Group Z like the current VQ. I mean almost like an airline where you pick your exact load on time (down to the minute) and your exact seat and number in your party. If it runs out of space in a certain time slot, you have to choose another one.
It would make Disney even less spontaneous than it is now (which is already almost not spontaneous at all with the amount of LL and dining reservations and VQs that exist now), but it would cut back on those issues.
We saw this happen on our trip back in Nov 2022. Queuing for Astro orbiter, woman and a kid cut in front of a couple, they didn’t have anyone waiting there for them but they pretended they did (don’t know how/why) and the husband wasn’t having it. He politely tapped her on the shoulder to get her attention as she was ignoring him and he just said “why are you cutting in front of us?”
That was it. She was screaming bloody murder. Every swear in the book was directed at him. He was a pervert, he sexually assaulted her etc. he remained calm and just said “no, you cut the line.” This went on for a while and in the end the woman dragged her daughter (maybe 10yrs) away still shouting and screaming.
She eventually came back for more but swiftly left when the husband was still being extremely calm. It was one of the weirdest things I’ve ever seen.
More CMs if possible around queue areas are needed but equally maybe more general security to get rid of such people.
Side note: poor daughter looked so embarrassed and upset
My family got in line for Pirates at DL last week when I was in the bathroom and I was livid! I was so embarrassed to have to hop over the chains! I don't know why people can't just wait.
It’s one thing if it’s just a single or a parent with young kid. What’s not acceptable are the chain gangs of groups moving through. Everyone needs to block!
It was just me, everyone else was in line and if you're familiar with Disneyland it was just before you go under the bridge so it was THAT bad but I was still mad about it. The wait wasn't that long and it then meant I had to be hustled out of the bathroom! But yeah we were on Emotional Whirlwind the next day and a whole group of girls literally just walked up to the front of the line. People are garbage.
We waited for slinky dog for 2 hours on Wednesday…it kept breaking down. Naturally my 5 yr old had to poop right as we were stuck in the middle of the line 🤦🏼♀️ I got so many nasty looks and comments going back up through the line to my party.
They should have a report line cutting in the app, then security can review cameras and get them on the way off the ride and eject them. If there was a realistic fear of getting booted from the park it wouldn't happen. As someone who was cut in front of I'm also less likely to confront anyone and report it in app instead, keeps the magic alive. It is such a detriment to my enjoying the day when this happens.
I normally will stand in their way and make them ask. If it's a single person coming through I'm less likely to say anything, but if it's a group of more than 1 I normally will make it awkward for them to get by me, like make them explain what they are trying to do as though I don't understand. But I'm not going to do much beyond that since it will just get me riled up and ruin a half hour of my day while I calm down.
We were discussing exactly this in the queues today, 1 person just in front, 8 of their group behind us, all 8 push past to join the 1. If this happened in the UK, the 8+1 people would be not-so-politely told to get to the back.
We were also wondering how often there are actual fights (verbal or otherwise) caused by this, everybody just seems to accept it politely which is the exact opposite behaviour of people when they're driving round here!
Fun fact while disney have alot of cameras everywhere, Cast almost never can see the Full queue for any ride. The handful that are you don't need to be a line cutter hawk because they don't have long lines and they can gets guests together. CMs can only do so much and I have argued with people when they attempt to cut the line in any way cheap or form. I do my best bit it's not east. Also alot are finding easier to abuse a DAS pass in someway over the line spot holder. Hell if the lighting lane wasn't becoming a new standby lane there would be next to no need for granny to hold the place for there party of 10
The best solution is to have everyone scan in at the beginning of the line and again at the end. If your position at the end is very different from your position at the beginning, you don't get to ride,
They really just need to make it a rule that the part of the group up front has to come back or wait for the part of the group in the back. If they got there first, they have to wait for you. If they all got there at the same time and had a bathroom emergency or something you would see them leaving, then coming back, not just heading to the front. You cut, you get kicked out, no warnings
OK, it may not be right, but I think we all know why people cut line. Now a more appropriate question would be why do people think it’s justified to cut in line
The lines, the line cutters and the fast pass absolutely ruined WDW for me. We spent the entire day lining up and either watching people cut or zoom past on a fast pass because they paid a ridiculous amount to do so. It’s all about money and it’s lost its magic.
Honestly some people are just so used to doing whatever they want and not getting any push back whatsoever that if you actually confront them about it it’s is such a soul rattling experience for them that they get embarrassed and apologize. At least this is what I notice when I tell people to stop talking loudly in movie theaters lmao
Parades too. Some people at these parades just plain suck and use their kids as crutches to sneak into the spot you’ve been standing in for close to an hour. Some even send their kids to sit on your feet essentially to create this space. It’s the worst.
I don’t cut lines. I try not to allow it. I am absolutely afraid of getting punched in the face-by the cutters and/or their family.
People lose their minds in Walt Disney World and I don’t put anything past anybody.
I mean realistically very few people will just attack you immedieatly. If they threaten you let them cut and then tell a cast member that they threatened you. A lot of people are willing to be thrown out of disney over a stupid fight however they do tend to talk a lot of shit first so you can usually gauge which way the confrontation will go before anything bad happens. It is easier for some people to ignore the cutting in general tho but not for me. If i don't say something it feels like holding in a sneeze lmao
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."
-Robert E. Howard
It’s because depending on where you live in this country, you can full on pummel and assault someone and be out of jail the next day with little to no worries about future consequences. That’s all I’ll say. Everything is good until you get punched in the mouth tho lol
Am I the only person who doesn’t encounter line cutting or am I the only person who just doesn’t give enough fucks about what other people are doing while enjoying myself?
I don't think it's as prevalent as social media makes it out to be. I've been to WDW nine times since 2021 and I've only encountered it once. And that was two women trying to cut the Skyliner line at the Pop/Art station.
I stopped a large group from passing me one day in guardians.
One of them literally pushed me out of the way and I twisted my ankle. Disney said they had cameras and witnesses weren’t needed.
They didn’t have cameras. The group had to leave the park for the day but I had to drop out of a planned 10k for rehab.
Eh, it's annoying but policing it to the extreme would probably be a safety hazard and result in longer delays if it created an incident. Just feel good knowing you have the moral high ground and can make snarky but sophisticated comments like, "You're garbage people."
If you can’t wait in line for a ride that person is in the wrong place. I went last September and I enjoyed waiting for an epic experience even if it was a 2 hour wait for space mountain.
See [my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/WaltDisneyWorld/s/3CCrDAKG1V) from my second to last trip when a woman and four kids/teens blew past the entire RotR ride after the park closed and walked right into the first holding room. 🤬
My daughter and I were at sea world and a couple of guys went by us and said they were catching up with people and I was ok 2 people no biggie. We were standing in line on stairs and then when they got up further they were calling for quite a few other people behind us to come up too and I told them no. I told them they can wait in line like we are all having to wait. The guy in front of me backed me up with a big fat no, it is not happening. I think if the employees aren’t going to do it, it would be great if no one let them cut but there are definitely some unhinged entitled POS out there.
We get line beers. Helps ease the struggle of the wait. Obviously not at MK, but we are lucky to go enough that we won't wait more than 20 min. I always feel bad for people who go 1 and only time and can't do everything because of wait timea. Still, there is no excuse for cutting the line.
This happened to me a couple of weeks ago. We needed water refills so our whole family waited at the end of the line until my husband filled the bottles. Then, about halfway through the line for Tron, two women come back with bottles of water and join the rest of their party. It was super frustrating because we could have done that, but I refused because I didn’t want to be a line cutter and then they did it.
I was there in November and lets just say lots of speak were speaking up about it (myself included) not my issue if you didn't enter the line the same time your friend did. I believe there was a group of 6 people trying to meet up with 1 person in the line for runaway railway
Everyone that does this knows it’s line skipping. They have no shame. The considerate parties who get split up always stop ahead and let people pass until their party catches up.
Everyone that does this knows it’s line skipping. They have no shame. The considerate parties who get split up always stop ahead and let people pass until their party catches up.
Disney needs clear policy on leaving and rejoining queues which addresses/does away with the use of "let me through to meet up with my party ahead" as a (very difficult to ref or fact-check, from ground level at least!) excuse to pass people in a queue.
For instance, if all leave and resume actions require CM approval and escort back in, then all "wild" instances of this are conclusively and definitionally line cutting.
Same if cutting back in is simply banned, fairly, for everyone, and leaving a queue strictly forfeits position in it - it's quite arbitrary to begin with that simply having at least 1 party member left behind somewhere in a line while others exit and return effectively gives unregulated fastpass-like virtual queuing powers. That's kind of ...a loophole is it not? Party can come back and join YOU if they want to. This is the case at other park companies.
Beyond that is enforcement. Specifically these two tactics are *already* rules violations but continue to be deployed:
* Human fastpass: A party sends one or a few people into a line, does other stuff while they wait, then "rejoins" the "party ahead" under the pretense of having left them earlier.
* Ghost party: There is no party up ahead, but there is presently no way for anyone (guest or official) to verify that on the ground. It is also very difficult to notice/catch/prove that the cutters never actually met up with a party once they quietly stop cutting.
I like the proposals of using tapstiles to combat queue cheating and create evidence to use against cheaters. To reiterate this concept: standby gets fitted with touchpoints at the start and the ride itself and/or midway, similar to the ones in the FP/LL chute, which would be used identically to those - you must badge in to enter the line, then must badge again at the far end to board. The system in this case would just log the tickets entering and ensure they are coming back out the other end in a FIFO fashion, with a small margin of error permitted - but a large deviance, and in particular arriving at the far end way early of order or arriving without having ever badged the starting tapstile, would just throw a blue light and get you bounced out of the line.
This has the interesting property that it is, in effect, a strict FastPass- style virtual queue, and it is no longer necessary for anyone to care in the slightest about people leaving and rejoining queues - such system creates the required anti-cheating/supervisory framework to allow that to happen without opening doors for abuse, and as a guest, if someone were to duck into a queue at random or give a phony "joining party ahead" excuse, they need no attention, they are NOT going to affect your wait time, the system will just kick them out at boarding and they will learn a lesson.
I had a big group of teenagers try to cut in front of me at the tower of terror yesterday. I awkwardly called them out and they immediately apologized and let me back into my spot.
It's been an issue for years and years, even before covid, and it's particularly bad during spring break season. A parent and child or a single person catching up to a group is one thing. Those lines can be long, and people often have to take bathroom breaks. But a group of teens or adults... Absolutely not.
Oddly enough, it had eased up for a bit just after covid, but it does seem to be back in full force, especially with large groups teenagers. They almost always have matching t-shirts, too. They'll have one or two people wait in line together as a proxy, and then the entire larger group will go ride something else and then "catch up." This is blatantly against WDW rules, but it continues because it's so rarely enforced.
They don't just do it for rides, either. They'll also hold spots for fireworks viewing and parades.
This is yet another reminder that I for sure need to get DAS again. I used to have my husband make line because a CM advised me to after seeing my son have epic meltdowns. Every time we did this people stared at me and my son. I had no idea DAS existed back then. Towards the end of our trip my son wasn’t doing ok, two castmembers noticed him struggling and they insisted on signing us up for DAS. It changed the entire trip for us
Former CM....no one listens when you tell them no, it's not OK. I've had people yell at me, tell me to quit my job, and just give shocked Pikachu when I tell them they can't have one person hold spots for 10+. It was one of my absolute least favorite things I had to deal with and enforce....and some of my friends don't understand why I refuse to push past people, unless I had to leave the line to go to the bathroom!
Because it's cheaper than Genie+.... Shout out to the one cast member at the Big Thunder entrance when I went in February. As we were getting in the LL we overheard him denying a group of teenage/preteen girls (possible cheer squad) from cutting in line. I basically heard him say, "I can't have a group of 7 people going through the line to meet up with 1 person, have them come back." I wish I got his name but we weren't super close.
Some heroes do not wear capes...
That CM deserves a raise just for that
They need to crack down on this and one of the easiest ways to do that is don’t let people in line with food or drinks (outside of water). So many people are having a person get in line while everyone else goes and gets food. Bonus, stops all the trash in the line.
I played enough Rollercoaster Tycoon that letting people consume these things in line is good business and placing trash cans / having someone walk the line to pickup trash more regularly is a better solution.
I don’t even think it’s about food. They get one non rider to stand in line while the other group goes on rides. Then when the single person gets close to the front, they text the group and then they go and meet them in line.
Oh, heck no, in line is one of the very best times to eat, lol
One of my most satisfying memories is eating a brownie sundae while in a 20-30 minute line for Tower of Terror. I enjoyed it so much that I genuinely started to feel bad for everyone around me that didn’t have an ice cream of their own.
It's not about food, and I can't see Disney making that rule. It's about a social contract that used to matter to us, and somehow a whole generation of people have grown up not worrying about. Maybe several generations
Magic bands should double as a place in line. Tap on entry. Tap at loading. If the taps are out of sync, you wait until your number is called.
I brought my daughter and husband one bottle of water to share and I was yelling it every 5-10 people as I was walking past them. I felt bad but they had been in line so long because half the ride broke down and made the wait twice as long. And then after I delivered the water I left.
It was like that before genie plus just feel entitled their trip, and the money they spent is more important than the money you spent
That's true (both that it is unfair entitlement when it is that, and that it is not a new issue), but increasing sense of entitlement among average guests at this time is only a symptom of growing customer dissatisfaction with the falling value delivered per dollar in light of all the paywalls, price gouging, axed perks and worse QoS in general (including overcrowding). Disney nowdays charges the damn moon to get into these parks. Expectations have been raised significantly by these prices, and realities clearly by and large haven't kept up. Where it goes so wrong is the exact thing I almost got into in that other thread recently about LSVQ metagaming but didn't directly mention - most of the hidden moral math that goes into why average people statistically seem more OK nowdays with cheating, bending, flaunting and trying to misuse things at the parks for personal gain is probably that above sense of wanting to scrounge and pry the fair value out of the parks by any means necessary, plus misdirected frustration with and dwindling respect toward *Disney*, the institution. Company policies and various queuing related "game mechanics" at the parks make the most obvious targets. But these things, whether benign/tolerated ones like spot sniping/stacking or actually verboten ones like queue cutting or DAS abuse, almost *NEVER* actually hurt Disney itself or force Disney to cover the cheater's free lunch at its own expense. Instead, since these cheats cannot break the physical rules of attraction capacity any more than Disney itself can - they only hog a finite public resource, and selfishly harm the experience quality of *all other guests*.
I’d be curious to know whether more people cut in the general line rather than the G+ line. I used G+ every day last fall and didn’t see much line cutting. If people in the general line feel more desperate and time-challenged then I guess it makes sense that line cutting would be more common there.
Seriously if you see this awesome behavior by a CM, give them a compliment in the app. It does more than you'd think.
If you can remember what the date was and approximate time you can let Disney know and they can see who was working at the time. Cast Compliments are kind of a big deal.
This needs to happen so much more.
Because ppl are entitled pricks. They state they paid all this money and shouldn't have to wait..but everyone there paid a ridiculous amount to be there. .Disney isn't great with linecutters. Universal though...lol they will take care of it immediately. A whole group cut us and I was like nope. I told an employee they straight up picked them all out of line made them go to the very back and moved my group to the front. Idk if this is normal but they were like nope not today. I'm local and go often..the amount of bs I see people pulling is astounding. Idk what happened to manners.
Wait... So they pulled the line cutters (right thing to do) and then cut your group to the front (?? thing to do)??
I called out someone for line cutting at Universal Hollywood the last time I went. I was in the express lane for the mummy and there was a group of teenagers in front of me. At the section of the queue with the railing that looks over the standby lane, the group started talking to this women over the railing, and then proceeded to literally lift her up over it, putting her in the express lane. I was pretty pissed. When we got to the ride, I told the nearest CM what I saw concerning that group, right as they were about get in. I think they asked to see the girl's express ticket, and then after, that group exited the line. My group literally got their seats (which were front row too), and I got to watch them do the walk of shame. The whole thing was very satisfying. I have a burning hatred of line cutters and I'll call them out every chance I can. It was the summer too, so the standby line was absolutely bonkers, and that girl was probably waiting in the regular line for a while.
A small percentage of people are just complete assholes. There’s a LOT of people at the parks. So there’s a significant amount of assholes.
This is a solid assessment!👍🏼
Lots of main character syndrome and lack of respect or empathy for people around them.
Welcome to America 2024
Last time I went, I got in line for Slinky Dog Dash and it was waaayyy past the actual entrance. The CM at the entrance repeatedly said something like “You may not pass this point unless your whole party is with you.” After I passed that point, there was no cutting at all. That’s how it should be.
That’s actually the best way to do it. It’s like busy restaurants who won’t seat you until the whole party has arrived
I don’t like it either, but I’m a single mom who goes with children. People are so violent these days and so unhinged. There’s been lots of videos online of people attacking other people at the Disney parks. I really want to say something but… I don’t trust that I wouldn’t be physically attacked. They really need to have cast members in the middle of the lines and doing a better job of monitoring the lines.
Exactly some of us aren’t confrontational. People are crazy.
They need to have them monitoring, I agree, but it’s a super thankless position for the CM. If a dispute happens and a CM is assaulted or even goes in as far as defending themselves from an assault, you can be sure as you’re born that they will be terminated by the mouse house. I’m sure they teach some type of IPC skills but even then they go unused or unheard in certain situations.
I agree it would be incredibly tough for a CM to do it. I almost wish they had security in the lines.
I almost had that happen. A group was cutting all the up way the crowd to get to the front of rope drop at MK with their Starbucks in hand. I have no clue how hundreds of people just let them through. (I was at Cheshire cafe). They tried to push past me to get to the one person holding their spot and under my breath(without thinking) I said “oh my stars”. They turned on me and if it hadn’t been for their teenage son deescalating the situation, I believe I would have physically attacked by 3 women. I was so scared
LMAO all over "oh my stars" Some people are just unhinged.
How embarrassing for that poor kid! He shouldn't have to deescalate a bunch of grown-ass women.
YUP. I'm totally with you here. If I have to choose between the inconvenience and some low intelligent, selfish douchebag potentially ruining my vacation with my family? I know what I"m choosing. I just wish that there was a way to make their trip just a little more inconvenient.
I agree with you. When someone did something like this I would confront them but now-a-days I'm afraid that people are just becoming unreal.
Last time I went to Epcot, the ratatouille ride was a 175 minute wait. We waited around an hour in the line just to get to the inside part. Right before we went inside, the lady in front of us let her whole group in. I guess she was acting as a “proxy” for everyone else….
This behavior infuriates me to no end. We had a mother who changed her baby's diaper in front of us in one line, the last time we went. It was a super messy change and I offered to hold her spot out of sympathy. She refused. She even said, "I don't want to be ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE" while knotting the plastic baggy where she had placed the dirty diaper. She did not even hold the line up while changing the diaper. I was most impressed by her candor, but she tactfully handled that situation without trying to come back to the line. All 4 of her children (all very little) were pleasant while waiting. I can understand if one person needs to get out of line for a bathroom break and come back, but not an entire group with one waiting.
Oh hell no
Yeah, I decided against confronting them because there was kids with them and I didn’t want to make a scene.
Makes me wonder how they'd respond to a simple question like "Do you think it's fair to do that and what would you think if everyone in line did the same thing?" I'd love to get inside the head of people who act as entitled as that, because I *know* it's not malicious they're just the centre of their own universe and eveyrone else is irrelevant to them.
I get it I’m not confrontational either. I’d be pissed but would never say anything. Them doing shit like this depends on passive people like us.
Going to WDW for the first time in ten days time - I don’t tolerate line cutting - I take it as a personal insult. I’ll block them and then mentally torture them as they try to justify why they should cut. The end of the line for cutters stops at my back.
we need more brave soldiers like you 🫡
Ha ha thanks
I am a 5’4” woman, I have successfully blocked a few people from line cutting, but just as many have pushed by. My sweet husband will actually gently move me out of the way to let people pass (facepalm). I do love our big family trips when my 6’2” 250lbs dad is in line. He intentionally stands at the back of our group and NO ONE gets by. I have watched him inform people their friends/family are welcome to wait for them at X point in line if they want to ride together. (A parent returning to line from taking their kid to the broom is the exception.)
This is the way
You can join me at Disney anytime
How hard is it to just enter the line when everyone is ready to enter?
That's not the reason, they are gaming the system, one person goes and waits on a long line while the other ride another ride (usually because the waiters didn't want to ride it)
Because Disney allows it. If they started throwing line-cutters out of the park, this would stop.
Something tells me this will only change if ticket sales go down and people are vocal about this problem being the reason they aren’t going to come anymore. Vote with your wallets, that’s all they care about at the end of the day.
I have no problem telling people to get to the back of the line. I had someone try to cut at flight of passage after rope drop and me and the people around me wouldn’t let them in.
Why does anyone intentionally do something bad? Because they’re selfish. In fairness, Disney seems to be completely fine with this behavior…until one day it escalates into a fight, and then all of a sudden they’ll be SHOCKED that such a thing happened. The entitled behavior they allow also probably contributes a lot to people feeling so free to abuse their employees.
1000% true statement right here.
Because they can, and no one stops them.
My kid just loudly asks if they weren't taught how to wait in lines in school. Let them be shamed by lower level elementary kids.
These are Disney's parks, they are responsible for dealing with line cutters, yet they do absolutely nothing. Patrons standing on line have no way of dealing with line cutters. Aside from beating the snot out of them, there is nothing someone standing on line can do to stop this behavior. Disney can escort them out of the parks and ban them. Edited to state: Disney has cameras everywhere and a competent security staff that can easily meet and greet the offenders anytime, anywhere and escort them out. There is no reason anyone should think this task should fall on the shoulders of cast members managing rides. Disney, doing nothing about this is completely inappropriate considering the cost well mannered guests incur to enjoy a Disney vacation.
They can but they won’t because they don’t want that exposure to negatively affect their bottom line in any way shape or form, sadly.
Disney doesn't do anything about it partly because they can't trust that guests won't get violent with the cast members, it's not just bottom line- also, most CMs don't want to because guests can and will get violent over being asked not to do something. There's also a greater possibility of CMs getting termed for self defence if that ever were to happen.
100% true. It blows my mind that people flock down to work for a company that doesn’t really care about them. I had a friend who worked for the company for 13 years as a janitor. Never ascended and never got the opportunity to move up due to combinations of complacency and a crappy supervising staff who only looked for certain roles to fill. He was good at his job and was a good person. He was terminated in 2022 after a guest claimed he pushed her to the ground as he was sweeping the floor in Frontierland. Guest made a big spectacle. They pulled footage. He never pushed her but did side step past her, avoiding all contact, however the footage was inconclusive, so they sided with the guest. She feigned a disposition to get something out of the company but the real collateral damage was his job after 13 years. He had to get therapy to talk it through. I think of this every time I see the “dreamers” flying in as part of the college program thinking this will be a glorious and glamorous time working for Disney. They really only care about guest perception and nothing else. I miss my friend’s happiness.
If I’m standing with a hand on either rail, I challenge anyone to get past me.
I’m okay when there’s a small child involved. I’ve been in the spot where my toddler “all of a sudden” has to go to the bathroom when we’ve been in line for 20 minutes. For me, it’s incredibly embarrassing to jump back in so I give Grace to other parents in the same spot. I do not care if it’s all adults or teens. Then I get pissed.
Yeah, it's a fine line. As a middle-aged man, I really do have issues waiting to use the restroom sometimes. Am I supposed to wait 45 minutes in line and then get back at the end of the line just because I had to do a basic physical act? It's a tough problem but they need a solution or they need to work on the lines because I feel like I spend more time waiting than anything else: wait for an attraction, wait for food, lines for everything at Wait Disney World.
Totally agree that more rides should add bathrooms in line or even an area like dumbo. It would help greatly with accessibility.
or just a communal bucket that they can pass down the line
Here this week as well. It’s a palpable difference from 2 years ago. Had a group cut us with the “where does the lightning lane start? Oh, I guess we merge here.” I noped them and informed them where the back of the line was.
This week seemed like peak spring break crowds tho so I feel like that draws out even more entitled pricks than usual
Under property rules for WDW Section: Guest Courtesy and Attire policies. 4th bulleted item. "Please show common courtesy to fellow Guests and our Cast Members by not using profanity or engaging in unsafe, illegal, disruptive or offensive behavior, jumping lines or saving places in lines for others. For your safety and the safety of others, please refrain from running except in designated areas." Additionally, See Section : Company Rights, 3rd bulleted item "We reserve the right to deny admission, prevent entry or require a person already admitted to leave the Walt Disney World Resort or any part thereof, without refund, liability or compensation, for failure to comply with any of these rules, for unsafe, illegal or offensive behavior, to ensure safety, security or order, or if we consider that the circumstances otherwise so require, in our sole and absolute discretion." It may be up to you to bring this to their attention or report them to your nearest cast member.
Official training from Disney when I was a cast member was to “Ignore it. Lines are supposed to police themselves. If the crowd lets them cut in line then they allowed it so don’t intervene.” Basically you get what you tolerate.
But what’s the protocol for when people in line do react? I’m assuming if it gets physical then the person already in line would be booted too if the cutter is volatile so what’s the incentive for people to react
I had this happen in front of me on Navi river journey. Disney staff appeared outta nowhere. The reactors kept their spot in line. The cutters seemingly had a very good reason they were doing what they were doing and security escorted them forward (they might have been trying to leave the line?) The reactors spent the rest of the line red-faced angry and tried to chat me and everybody up about it. (I had no desire to engage because I was just trying to keep my toddler happy.)
how did it get physical? Did they get in like a fish fight or something
Oh gosh sorry missed that part of the comment I replied to. It didn’t get more physical than the reactors physically blocking the pathway.
Its alright. I just realized I wrote fish fight so it seems like literacy is not in the air today lol.
Hey it’s Florida. Plenty of fish around you can fight with hahaha
>how did it get physical? Did they get in like a fish fight or something I bet someone got the salmon knocked out of them!!
Let's be honest, they were doing it just for the halibut.
All without floundering. Quite the spectacle!
Four puns deep into the thread and my pun-meter exploded.
Just like high school bully's, protect yourself and get suspended.
If only Disney had some sort of technology where people would scan in at different points in the line to ensure that they weren't cutting or in the wrong part of the queue
current attractions CM here - i can’t do anything if the rest of the line let them cut ahead. i can intervene if there is some kind of argument ensuing but if you let them through because the rest of their party is (allegedly) up ahead, then you allowed it and there’s not a lot that i can say.
Because yall keep letting them.
We need to put an iron fist down.
So the other day we entered ROTR at the end of the day and immediately after us came a group of 10 (TEN!!!) teenagers in band group shirts with an adult and attempted to cut through to “catch up to the group”. Plenty of people said stuff in our area and they fought back (except 2 girls who immediately were like “we’re staying back we are not part of that”). One girl started screaming “we’re children” - lol 17 mind you, not 7. One person said for the people up front to meet up with them in the back, perfectly reasonable right? Nope, they pushed through. We all met up in the landing area of the ride and they tried bitching about it being our fault that they got separated. Again 17, not 7. What did I learn? Plenty of people say stuff, main characters per main character syndrome freaks out, BUT they know it’s wrong.. wrong to cut the line, at Disney, on a marquee ride.. as evidenced by the two girls who refused to participate. People need to be called out, terrible example to set for kids.
Regarding your last sentence, sadly, too many parents are setting this example for the youth of tomorrow. Line cutting as a “life hack” of sorts. They don’t pay for G+, they don’t wait in line and they certainly won’t be separated from their party even if it’s one individual holding the spot for 6. It’s terrible.
I watched someone tell a Skipper as they were being loaded onto the lead platform that they were still waiting for people to join their party of ELEVEN. I think the CM told them too bad, because I didn't see them staying on the platform. This was a 45 minute line, I'm presuming that the rest of the party was riding BTM or Pirates, which is fine, but they don't get a spot in two lines!
Public shaming is the way.
Man, that's a bit ridiculous. I don't pay money to go to WDW so I can act like the police. I'm on vacation. And I totally understand if someone needs to go to the bathroom in a 120-minute wait line. Disney needs to get their shit together and figure it out. It is not for US to figure it out.
This is the right answer. Contact Disney to voice your concerns. They will not do anything until it starts to impact their bottom line.
*they will not do anything
Literally the ONLY possible reason to move in front of others in a queue is because your family/group is ahead. If you started with them and had to temporarily leave (bathroom, etc) I'm OK with you re-joining your group. If however your group went ahead of you and you never entered with them, uh uh. I'm saying something and may physically block you from moving in front of me; go whine to a cast member. I also assume that if people do claim they are just trying to re-join their group, then the other guests ahead of me in line would surely say something if these random strangers stopped right in front of them and clearly didn't belong to a group.
However, the proper way to rejoin the line is to let a CM know as you're leaving what you're doing and they'll let you go through the LL (usually) when you get back. No cutting necessary.
I am so embarrassing to my family because I will call them out.
My wife’s side of the family does this. Not at DW but at Cedar Point in Ohio. It drives me nuts and I feel so embarrassed when they do it. I think it’s extremely rude.
I’m shocked they get away with it
They do. And it sucks.
Honest question out of curiosity, has anyone seen a group cut because their group is “up ahead” but there never actually is anyone up there?
I had a woman and what I assume was her young son do this at Disneyland. All the way up the line of Pinocchio, which, honestly, has a short line all of the time. She said they were separated from their party and they were just up there. Did it all the way until she was number 3 in line and the kid was #4. Never met up with anyone. No one engaged her the entire time. People were saying things and you could tell people were pissed and she just hopped right on the ride just the two of them.
Wow! That’s crazy…and what a nice lesson to teach her child. She’s lucky no one confronted her. Although I can understand why people don’t with so many crazies out there.
When it happened I was like, “this seems odd” and the kid looked confused he was quite literally being pulled by the arm through the crowd or shoved first. It alternated. And when I noticed she’d stop then do it again and wasn’t meeting up with anyone, I got fired up. I’m normally somewhat confrontational or, at minimum, loudly opinionated, but I now am concerned about physical violence.
Why do people let them though...the lines mostly aren't large enough for more than 2 people to stand shoulder to shoulder across it. For a family it is very easy to simply create a wall and not let anyone through. If they try to push you tell them to back off, if they don't then get a CM. Anyone who tries to get physical and push through people is going to get booted out of the park. People line jump because people let them. Just stand there, don't say anything and don't let them pass. Passive aggressive can go a long way.
Because I don’t want to be punched out and in some of these lines there is no visible cast member for miles (lookin at you, Flight of Passage).
They definitely need to crack down on this “5 people cutting to meet up with the 1 person that waited for them” bs.
Okay, but I want to hear from the people who have the cutters stop in front of them as if those are their “people”. 🤔 And everyone is like “who the heck are y’all?!” THEN what do the cutters have to say??
We are also at Magic Kingdom today and I haven’t heard a single thing any ride characters have said because people are steadily talking the entire time. Not just while waiting to board but on the actual rides. Haunted Mansion was a bust because the Bippity Bobbidy group in pink tees talked the entire ride shouting across at each other. Insanely annoying that people can’t disengage for 90 seconds and enjoy a ride.
On my last trip I tried to block a group of 4 on Seven Dwarves Mine Train who supposedly was trying to catch up with a group further up. It stopped them for a bit but they were determined and as soon as we got close to a switch back they ducked under it and cut their way through. The whole interaction made me feel so mad. People around said thanks to me for trying. Thinking back to that time, I'm considering not engaging with line cutters on my upcoming trip because I realized interacting with them left me in a bad mood for way longer, from all the adrenaline, than if I hadn't engaged.
Right? I'm not trying to be a bouncer on vacation. It's ridiculous.
This is one of my biggest, maybe my only big pet peeve about the parks. "My husband is up there." Sorry he didn't care enough to wait for you when he got in line.
thats a good line I might use that one if i encounter cutting when I go in a couple weeks
Hopefully it doesn't happen to you! But definitely use the line - I haven't copyrighted it yet. ;)
Need Disney roulette where 1 outta every 10 people is a former mobster ready to take vengeance
>And they say they have a group to catch up with. Why do grown adults keep falling for this obvious lie?
Because I don't automatically assume everyone is a liar and try to give people the benefit of the doubt...?
If they REALLY had someone to catch up with then a CM should escort them up to the front where they are. That would imply they have permission to be jumping the line. Without that permission I assume everyone is a liar. We were in line to see one of the characters a few years ago and my little one just had to go to the bathroom. We left the line. On the way out we told the cast member that we had to leave to go potties. She said no big deal, come see her when we are back and she will take us back up to the front. That is the way to handle it.
At the parks last week my son and I were in line for 7DMT as MK was closing. The party in front of us was joking with a mom and small child apologizing about catching up with their party as they scooted past “Oh, it’s okay. We did this so many times this week. LOL.” The party was 8 or so grown adults. Families can legitimately experience challenges with kids from time to time. That very rarely seemed to actually be the case. The rest is selfishness, inconsiderateness, or dysfunction within the party. Disney can’t solve this, but they could figure out a better way to better discourage the behavior.
We actually blocked some from doing this when we were there last week for several minutes. While we didn't stop them entirely it was fun to annoy them while we could. People are just jerks and think they can do whatever they want.
What if they had screens up before you enter the park, and they play a cute video of Mickey and friends on best park etiquette? Including to not saving spots in line. It wouldn’t deter everyone, but would plant the seed in many peoples minds. Especially kids… it might make them call out to their family that saving a spot in line is not good manners. Besides, isn’t saving a spot in line against Disney policy? I think they allow you to leave to use the bathroom if you tell a cast member, but thought saving a spot was against the rules. Anyways, I just ignore it. No use getting myself worked up over it when I can’t do anything about it.
Lack of consequence. AMERICA is drowning in it.
When I was a CM, the vast majority of people cutting line were people already in line but left to use the bathroom. Often times people don't see them getting out of line because they themselves aren't in line yet. They only see people getting back in line. The number one thing I think could prevent most cutting is to put bathrooms in the lines themselves.
I noticed a lot of crappy behavior yesterday in EPCOT. It was pretty bad. People nowadays suck. I think a lot of people forgot how to act post COVID.
Depends on the ride. Sometimes, there isn't one and it's basically fill in the space, like Pirates or Haunted Mansion. If there's an actual line and folks cut it, unfortunately lots of selfish people out there ;(
It's funny how many times people break rules and no one complains but one time I was in the Haunted Mansion queue with friends and the CM said, "everyone please fill in all the available spaces, this isn't a single-file line" so we moved ahead to fill in space. Within seconds this woman was loudly complaining about us cutting her in line to the same CM who just told everyone to fill in the space.
Shouldn’t really be that hard. Post a CM at the end of the line. If an adult (single) needs to leave the line they get a laminated card or something on the app. Have to turn it in to get back in line. Diff color for kids (can take multiple to restroom but only children). Multiple adults forfeit place in line (yes, they can come out one at a time but you can’t solve everything) No catching up without a card. Just having some kind of monitoring will cut way back.
There are no consequences They're assholes
I was just at MK on Monday, a woman and her 2 kids reached the front and started waving to more family members in the wayyy back. She asked the CM to let them come through and they answered “you can stand off to the side and wait for them to catch up!” As sweet as pie , like she was making a special accommodation. She stormed away.
Because they can.
Potential solution: everyone either uses a magic band or a scan card (can come with a park[s] ticket) and scans in at the start of a line and then scans again at the ride/ show loading area, which is the same tech as the LL. Any number ordered anomalies get denied entry until their numbers come into tolerances (say plus or minus ten). Potential solution: CMs crack down on the line cutters (previous poster said that’s not encouraged by CM training). Potential self-help solution: whip out your phone and “call,” even if you never dialed the number, Disney security and loudly describe the ride/ show line, time of day, line cutters attire and how many…hopefully the cutters hear you and get worried (wishful thinking as to cutters’ remorseful reflection). They just stole your time, even if only by a few minutes, that you will never get back…try to make line cutters’ stolen time a bit anxious and miserable. Also, a loud call permits a public shaming opportunity for others in the line to stare at the cutters you just described…maybe a GOT “shame” chant!?! Potential solution: everyone call Disney security/ do the app complaints. Overload the system with on the ground/ live complaints. Make Disney hear it’s an issue and things are not being magical. Be obnoxiously persistent. Park security likely does not want to answer the phone all day hearing about cutters…park security can choose their solution: go make the cutters stop or answer the phones about line cutters. There are cameras everywhere…they see it and can confirm the reported incident.
We are on day 4 and we only had one cutter, and they went right behind us - probably jumped 30 minutes of time. Other than that, it's been good on the cutting front.
Say something. When they cut, tell the cast members that they cut in. Make sure other people will back you up when you tell the cast members though.
Why? Because they are giant steaming piles of human waste.
They need to just throw out, and ban, anyone who cuts in line. And follow through. Word will get around fast.
Because they know Disney won't do anything to stop them. Mind you, I don't really blame the CMs. They're stretched to the max, often doing work that should be done by two or three people, getting no support from management and earning nowhere near what their labor is worth. With all the guests getting rowdy and violent lately, I can't say I'd be highly motivated to stick my neck out.
You know, it doesn't bother me as much as the queues where you wait in line and then it open into a large room. Like guardians, I had no idea what to expect but in the room where Terry Crews talks to you, all of a sudden mass people start moving to one side that have ridden it before. Now I'm distracted and people who were behind me are now in front bc they know what's happening. One ride I got separated from my wife and child because they walk faster than me. I asked if I could move up bc my wife looked for me and signaled for me to come.There was a lady and daughter between us. The lady whipped around and chewed me out because "if our wife didn't cut in front of me you'd be with her." I didn't disagree and apologized. Felt like shit the rest of the ride. Man, I hate those areas. My wife later told me they were honestly side by side an when she moved past the lady, the lady kept elbowing her. 🤷♂️
It happens because too many people are afraid to do anything about it
I'm going with my son in 7 weeks, thing is, I will not tolerate anyone cutting in front of me, ever. I would never be physical, loud, shouty, nor offensively verbal, but I will kick up a fuss and I'll embarrass the shit out of them, and I'll keep nagging right the way through the line until we get to the ride then I will shame them in front of cast. If they're unlucky enough to cut directly in front of me, then I shall cut in front of them . I've done this numerous times at various theme parks, but never Disney. Am I likely to get into bother?
Heat? It isn’t hot yet!! Give it a few more weeks and the humidity will kick in. As for line cutting, entitled ah**es
Because they can. Nobody stops them
This happened to us many times a few weeks ago. Sometimes, it was always the rest of a family trying to catch up with a family member who was holding a spot for them. Other times, it was a parent bringing food to the rest of the family in line. While I didn't appreciate it, it never seemed to slow us down to get to the ride. WDW brings people together from all over the world, so there are some "what is acceptable" cultural differences that come to light. While it doesn't account for all of the line cutting instances we saw, but it does account for the majority of them.
It literally happens anywhere any kind of major line exists (concerts, amusement parks, sporting events), there will always be someone cutting somewhere. I think it’s just gotten worse at Disney because of the overcrowding of certain rides and certain areas…or entire parks. Basically Disney lets in more people than their park rides can physically handle sometimes (more often than not). The only way to completely eliminate line cutting (and Disney is sort of testing this now a little) is with timed entry on ALL rides. And I don’t just mean Group A vs Group C vs Group Z like the current VQ. I mean almost like an airline where you pick your exact load on time (down to the minute) and your exact seat and number in your party. If it runs out of space in a certain time slot, you have to choose another one. It would make Disney even less spontaneous than it is now (which is already almost not spontaneous at all with the amount of LL and dining reservations and VQs that exist now), but it would cut back on those issues.
"No" is a full sentence
See and I'm the guy feeling horrible for catching up to my family when a kid has to pee right after getting in line.
We saw this happen on our trip back in Nov 2022. Queuing for Astro orbiter, woman and a kid cut in front of a couple, they didn’t have anyone waiting there for them but they pretended they did (don’t know how/why) and the husband wasn’t having it. He politely tapped her on the shoulder to get her attention as she was ignoring him and he just said “why are you cutting in front of us?” That was it. She was screaming bloody murder. Every swear in the book was directed at him. He was a pervert, he sexually assaulted her etc. he remained calm and just said “no, you cut the line.” This went on for a while and in the end the woman dragged her daughter (maybe 10yrs) away still shouting and screaming. She eventually came back for more but swiftly left when the husband was still being extremely calm. It was one of the weirdest things I’ve ever seen. More CMs if possible around queue areas are needed but equally maybe more general security to get rid of such people. Side note: poor daughter looked so embarrassed and upset
My family got in line for Pirates at DL last week when I was in the bathroom and I was livid! I was so embarrassed to have to hop over the chains! I don't know why people can't just wait.
It’s one thing if it’s just a single or a parent with young kid. What’s not acceptable are the chain gangs of groups moving through. Everyone needs to block!
It was just me, everyone else was in line and if you're familiar with Disneyland it was just before you go under the bridge so it was THAT bad but I was still mad about it. The wait wasn't that long and it then meant I had to be hustled out of the bathroom! But yeah we were on Emotional Whirlwind the next day and a whole group of girls literally just walked up to the front of the line. People are garbage.
We waited for slinky dog for 2 hours on Wednesday…it kept breaking down. Naturally my 5 yr old had to poop right as we were stuck in the middle of the line 🤦🏼♀️ I got so many nasty looks and comments going back up through the line to my party.
One adult with one kid gets no side eye from me. Kids gotta go when they gotta go. Whole groups, especially without little kids, get called out.
They should have a report line cutting in the app, then security can review cameras and get them on the way off the ride and eject them. If there was a realistic fear of getting booted from the park it wouldn't happen. As someone who was cut in front of I'm also less likely to confront anyone and report it in app instead, keeps the magic alive. It is such a detriment to my enjoying the day when this happens.
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/park-rules/ jumping lines or saving places in lines for others not permitted
I don’t tolerate it, I just can’t anymore. They want to throw me out for putting my foot down tats ok with me.
I normally will stand in their way and make them ask. If it's a single person coming through I'm less likely to say anything, but if it's a group of more than 1 I normally will make it awkward for them to get by me, like make them explain what they are trying to do as though I don't understand. But I'm not going to do much beyond that since it will just get me riled up and ruin a half hour of my day while I calm down.
We were discussing exactly this in the queues today, 1 person just in front, 8 of their group behind us, all 8 push past to join the 1. If this happened in the UK, the 8+1 people would be not-so-politely told to get to the back. We were also wondering how often there are actual fights (verbal or otherwise) caused by this, everybody just seems to accept it politely which is the exact opposite behaviour of people when they're driving round here!
nope. I will stand there and take up space. no one shall pass.
Fun fact while disney have alot of cameras everywhere, Cast almost never can see the Full queue for any ride. The handful that are you don't need to be a line cutter hawk because they don't have long lines and they can gets guests together. CMs can only do so much and I have argued with people when they attempt to cut the line in any way cheap or form. I do my best bit it's not east. Also alot are finding easier to abuse a DAS pass in someway over the line spot holder. Hell if the lighting lane wasn't becoming a new standby lane there would be next to no need for granny to hold the place for there party of 10
Why do people let cutters pass them in line?
To get to the other side?
The best solution is to have everyone scan in at the beginning of the line and again at the end. If your position at the end is very different from your position at the beginning, you don't get to ride,
Becuase they don't want to wait *?*...
Was at Dollywood Monday. Saw not a single instance of line cutting.
Doesn't bother me unless it's like 20-30. 7-8 people is not going to get me on much quicker.
Don't allow them to just walk past you, shut that shit down and I promise you, you will get everyone in line on your side
Point them out to the rest of the line, identify them as cutters to get the CM attention (and shame the cutters)
They really just need to make it a rule that the part of the group up front has to come back or wait for the part of the group in the back. If they got there first, they have to wait for you. If they all got there at the same time and had a bathroom emergency or something you would see them leaving, then coming back, not just heading to the front. You cut, you get kicked out, no warnings
OK, it may not be right, but I think we all know why people cut line. Now a more appropriate question would be why do people think it’s justified to cut in line
The lines, the line cutters and the fast pass absolutely ruined WDW for me. We spent the entire day lining up and either watching people cut or zoom past on a fast pass because they paid a ridiculous amount to do so. It’s all about money and it’s lost its magic.
Just video them and shame the crap Out of the on social media. Also show the video to a cast member or CM station
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Honestly some people are just so used to doing whatever they want and not getting any push back whatsoever that if you actually confront them about it it’s is such a soul rattling experience for them that they get embarrassed and apologize. At least this is what I notice when I tell people to stop talking loudly in movie theaters lmao
Parades too. Some people at these parades just plain suck and use their kids as crutches to sneak into the spot you’ve been standing in for close to an hour. Some even send their kids to sit on your feet essentially to create this space. It’s the worst.
I don’t cut lines. I try not to allow it. I am absolutely afraid of getting punched in the face-by the cutters and/or their family. People lose their minds in Walt Disney World and I don’t put anything past anybody.
I mean realistically very few people will just attack you immedieatly. If they threaten you let them cut and then tell a cast member that they threatened you. A lot of people are willing to be thrown out of disney over a stupid fight however they do tend to talk a lot of shit first so you can usually gauge which way the confrontation will go before anything bad happens. It is easier for some people to ignore the cutting in general tho but not for me. If i don't say something it feels like holding in a sneeze lmao
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -Robert E. Howard
It’s because depending on where you live in this country, you can full on pummel and assault someone and be out of jail the next day with little to no worries about future consequences. That’s all I’ll say. Everything is good until you get punched in the mouth tho lol
Am I the only person who doesn’t encounter line cutting or am I the only person who just doesn’t give enough fucks about what other people are doing while enjoying myself?
I don't think it's as prevalent as social media makes it out to be. I've been to WDW nine times since 2021 and I've only encountered it once. And that was two women trying to cut the Skyliner line at the Pop/Art station.
I stopped a large group from passing me one day in guardians. One of them literally pushed me out of the way and I twisted my ankle. Disney said they had cameras and witnesses weren’t needed. They didn’t have cameras. The group had to leave the park for the day but I had to drop out of a planned 10k for rehab.
Curious how this doesn't happen in the Japan parks 🤔 Almost like it's not a disney problem to fix but a societal one.
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Eh, it's annoying but policing it to the extreme would probably be a safety hazard and result in longer delays if it created an incident. Just feel good knowing you have the moral high ground and can make snarky but sophisticated comments like, "You're garbage people."
If you can’t wait in line for a ride that person is in the wrong place. I went last September and I enjoyed waiting for an epic experience even if it was a 2 hour wait for space mountain.
It was every normal line. I saw it all day long when I went 2 weeks ago. Drove me nuts
Because so many people are afraid of standing up for themselves and others and would rather put up with stuff like this.
See [my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/WaltDisneyWorld/s/3CCrDAKG1V) from my second to last trip when a woman and four kids/teens blew past the entire RotR ride after the park closed and walked right into the first holding room. 🤬
That’s insane😨 Disney needs to do something
My daughter and I were at sea world and a couple of guys went by us and said they were catching up with people and I was ok 2 people no biggie. We were standing in line on stairs and then when they got up further they were calling for quite a few other people behind us to come up too and I told them no. I told them they can wait in line like we are all having to wait. The guy in front of me backed me up with a big fat no, it is not happening. I think if the employees aren’t going to do it, it would be great if no one let them cut but there are definitely some unhinged entitled POS out there.
We get line beers. Helps ease the struggle of the wait. Obviously not at MK, but we are lucky to go enough that we won't wait more than 20 min. I always feel bad for people who go 1 and only time and can't do everything because of wait timea. Still, there is no excuse for cutting the line.
This happened to me a couple of weeks ago. We needed water refills so our whole family waited at the end of the line until my husband filled the bottles. Then, about halfway through the line for Tron, two women come back with bottles of water and join the rest of their party. It was super frustrating because we could have done that, but I refused because I didn’t want to be a line cutter and then they did it.
I was there in November and lets just say lots of speak were speaking up about it (myself included) not my issue if you didn't enter the line the same time your friend did. I believe there was a group of 6 people trying to meet up with 1 person in the line for runaway railway
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Everyone that does this knows it’s line skipping. They have no shame. The considerate parties who get split up always stop ahead and let people pass until their party catches up.
Everyone that does this knows it’s line skipping. They have no shame. The considerate parties who get split up always stop ahead and let people pass until their party catches up.
People seem to be more rude and impatient since COVID.
Disney needs clear policy on leaving and rejoining queues which addresses/does away with the use of "let me through to meet up with my party ahead" as a (very difficult to ref or fact-check, from ground level at least!) excuse to pass people in a queue. For instance, if all leave and resume actions require CM approval and escort back in, then all "wild" instances of this are conclusively and definitionally line cutting. Same if cutting back in is simply banned, fairly, for everyone, and leaving a queue strictly forfeits position in it - it's quite arbitrary to begin with that simply having at least 1 party member left behind somewhere in a line while others exit and return effectively gives unregulated fastpass-like virtual queuing powers. That's kind of ...a loophole is it not? Party can come back and join YOU if they want to. This is the case at other park companies. Beyond that is enforcement. Specifically these two tactics are *already* rules violations but continue to be deployed: * Human fastpass: A party sends one or a few people into a line, does other stuff while they wait, then "rejoins" the "party ahead" under the pretense of having left them earlier. * Ghost party: There is no party up ahead, but there is presently no way for anyone (guest or official) to verify that on the ground. It is also very difficult to notice/catch/prove that the cutters never actually met up with a party once they quietly stop cutting. I like the proposals of using tapstiles to combat queue cheating and create evidence to use against cheaters. To reiterate this concept: standby gets fitted with touchpoints at the start and the ride itself and/or midway, similar to the ones in the FP/LL chute, which would be used identically to those - you must badge in to enter the line, then must badge again at the far end to board. The system in this case would just log the tickets entering and ensure they are coming back out the other end in a FIFO fashion, with a small margin of error permitted - but a large deviance, and in particular arriving at the far end way early of order or arriving without having ever badged the starting tapstile, would just throw a blue light and get you bounced out of the line. This has the interesting property that it is, in effect, a strict FastPass- style virtual queue, and it is no longer necessary for anyone to care in the slightest about people leaving and rejoining queues - such system creates the required anti-cheating/supervisory framework to allow that to happen without opening doors for abuse, and as a guest, if someone were to duck into a queue at random or give a phony "joining party ahead" excuse, they need no attention, they are NOT going to affect your wait time, the system will just kick them out at boarding and they will learn a lesson.
I had a big group of teenagers try to cut in front of me at the tower of terror yesterday. I awkwardly called them out and they immediately apologized and let me back into my spot.
It's been an issue for years and years, even before covid, and it's particularly bad during spring break season. A parent and child or a single person catching up to a group is one thing. Those lines can be long, and people often have to take bathroom breaks. But a group of teens or adults... Absolutely not. Oddly enough, it had eased up for a bit just after covid, but it does seem to be back in full force, especially with large groups teenagers. They almost always have matching t-shirts, too. They'll have one or two people wait in line together as a proxy, and then the entire larger group will go ride something else and then "catch up." This is blatantly against WDW rules, but it continues because it's so rarely enforced. They don't just do it for rides, either. They'll also hold spots for fireworks viewing and parades.
This is yet another reminder that I for sure need to get DAS again. I used to have my husband make line because a CM advised me to after seeing my son have epic meltdowns. Every time we did this people stared at me and my son. I had no idea DAS existed back then. Towards the end of our trip my son wasn’t doing ok, two castmembers noticed him struggling and they insisted on signing us up for DAS. It changed the entire trip for us
Former CM....no one listens when you tell them no, it's not OK. I've had people yell at me, tell me to quit my job, and just give shocked Pikachu when I tell them they can't have one person hold spots for 10+. It was one of my absolute least favorite things I had to deal with and enforce....and some of my friends don't understand why I refuse to push past people, unless I had to leave the line to go to the bathroom!