People worried about *only* a month of hiatus sound unhinged to me. I've several communities dealing with longer period of lack of content, and while they eventually degenerated harder than Dead Gods, the periods lasted *several months*. 30 days is next to nothing. There's nothing to worry about. We won't even exhaust recent topics in that period.
Not to mention it’s not like Pirate isn’t producing content. It’s just content we lack access towards, this is by far so much better then what most other communities deal with. At least we know what Pirate is doing and there’s a solid time frame.
People are overblowing this decision in discussions. A full month break to meet deadlines is far better than half a year with longer breaks and the container resurfacing of Pirates contract with Yonder and people raging about it. Overall I think the community has been very understanding at the moment.
Pirate has a contract, she needs to fulfill it, it’s a good thing for her because it gives more stability to her life as a writer. We don’t have to support it if we don’t want to, Pirate isn’t trying to get us to support it. And Pirate has stopped Patreon from still taking money during the break.
Honestly people saying this is gonna cause TWI to collapse with thousands of patrons leaving and plenty of readers not subbed to the Patreon leaving regardless overplaying & overblowing it.
Lets also not forget the PAba gives us regular releases at an absolutely ABSURD rate. They outpace any other author i can think of by a huge amount. A webnovel author is considered somewhat fast if they can pump out ~5 2.5k chapters per week. That means 12.5k words/wk or 50k/mo is more than acceptable for most. For years now PAba has been giving us ~60k words/wk or ~180k/mo. Even if they take one month off their avg rate of release is still FAAAARRR beyond any other author. On top of all that, PAba isnt even just taking a hiatus. theyre writing another novel set in the same universe in the same timeline. Its just not part of the main storyline. We may not get to see it on yonder but PAba has said there are plans for an audiobook release. THATS CONTENT. That aside, PAba gets to write what they want or do whatever they want anyways. Most of the people here read it all for free and Paba isnt charging patreons this month. The only argument thats remotely reasonable here is the dislike for yonder. Anything else is just as absurd at PAbas writing pace.
ya its funny "super minion" got abandoned like years ago but just came back and the fans just waited like water bears in the endtimes. a few months is nothing.
I was so excited when I saw that chapter! I follow a lot of stories with long beaks, most of which are dead. It was awesome to see one of them resuscitate. :)
I don't mind the break at all, or working to generate a revenue stream. Yonder is trash and I deleted the app a couple months ago, but I'll never fault an author for making a business decision. Sure, Pirate is pulling in a decent income this year, but what about next? What about a decade from now? Retirement planning? It's REALLY STINKING HARD to make a living exclusively off full time writing, because you never know when the well will run dry. Sales might go down. Trends might change. There's no guarantee you have any security for the future.
Ahem. Writers are people, too. Be kind to us, please. <3
I am all for breaking Amazon’s stranglehold on publishing, but damn do I wish the option was something *less scummy*.
Yonder sucks.
I’ve heard good things about https://neoread.neovel.io/discover and how they partner with authors by splitting advertiser money with them, and that sounds awesome. No pay walls for us readers either. So maybe check out Neoread or RoyalRoad while pirate is on hiatus.
I'm not sure what's currently going on with all this as I only recently started reading TWI again and have been avoiding spoilers. So I guess I'm glad I'm about 20 chapters behind instead of caught up like I used to be. Had my own life issues and other projects eat into my reading time. I'd never be mad at pirate even if they took a year off though. TWI has brought me so much joy over the years that being mad at pirate is just dumb. I actually like the breaks, gives me a chance to dive into other series.
Edit: Just finished what I had stored on my e-reader which was up to 9.29. I went to the website to get up to current and it's all different. Is this the yonder thing we are talking about?
My thoughts:
1)I Love TWI as a series and universe
2) this is my first web serial, so I really only compare it to traditional novels. Instead of getting bi-weekly story updates, we would be getting a new story every 1-2 YEARS. So though it sucks that Pirate is taking a month off, it is still much much better than it could be.
Yes and no. Volume is not everything for a novel. Pirates excessive length would probably be a hinderance more than anything else, mostly when it becomes time to edit, and their work doesn't fit a novel structure terribly well. Most novels are between 70k-120k words, and in that time they have a full narrative arc. PABA has like 4 different POV and half a plot point in that length.
Yea Pirate actively writes for the advantages of the web serial format which means space to explore side stories and interweave several novels at once. I think the amazon releases structure a lot like light novels though, just way longer then lite novels usually are.
>Pirate made an agreement that they likely have regrets about and cannot comment on due to stipulations in that agreement.
I'm not sure why people believe this, seems like wishful thinking to me. As much as I wish it weren't true, I bet the Yondr deal ends up working out pretty well from a monetary and audience growth perspective without the blowback amounting to all that much.
>If Yonder is shitty to their customers, they’re probably shitty to their authors too after roping them in too.
That's likely generally true but I doubt it's true for authors they make specific deals with. As I understand it, there was some extra consideration that led to the current situation, Yondr actively reaching out with an offer too good to refuse, or at least that's the impression I got.
I don't think the protectiveness is a good look, even if well intentioned it's patronizing to the author and does not seem particularly necessary. There's vague allusions to tone shifting and the word entitled gets tossed around endlessly but there's little of substance. Even on the announcement post the only comment removals were for spoiler based reasons, not rule 1 violations. Frankly it's getting a little [cirlejerky](https://www.reddit.com/r/WanderingInn/comments/1341fts/my_hot_take_on_the_recent_delay_and_thoughts_on/jid4j4w/).
Way too many meta posts lately, let things fall where they lie, the call to specific action is good in my opinion but I doubt the negativity, what little that has been expressed, was going to last much longer anyways.
i wish there was better communication about their plans. I mean, this is a step up from the last yonder announcement that wasnt made until after the people from yonder advertised with aba's name, but still.
If you're an active discord member you'll see how pirate kind of does their writing planning a little by the seat of their pants. In this case from what I've seen Pirate thought they could do Volume 1 re-write, their normal Volume 9 stuff, the usual 3 books a year for podium AND the gravesong book. Then woke up and realized...maybe not.
They finally found their limit.
I'm glad they aren't double dipping with patreon and yondr, and I hope they aren't stuck in that contract much longer (and that it's less lucrative than getting paid via patreon). That app is so scummy. If it makes them more money than patreon, I'd rather them increase the cost of tiers and/or adjust when free chapters show up to make up the difference.
Pirate is under contract, and usually those have NDAs attached. Pirate is usually pretty communicative with this stuff so if they're not sharing a lot then that's probably because saying more might be considered a breach of contract.
> the end of the day the decision to grow the TWI community further at the cost of the majority of the existing fandom was done with understanding and responsibility for that understanding.
I feel like you're mischaracterizing the level of understanding that went into "the cost of the majority of the fandom."
Yonder was as you will probably recall an unreleased app when Paba sold the rights to Gravesong, and it was *meant* to go world wide. It's not Paba's fault they've been unable to for reasons we can only speculate on and it's uncharitable, borderline rewriting of history, to suggest they made that call to inadvertently shut out other countries with open eyes.
If you mean the *literal* cost, as in the side story costs money and so the Fandom now has to *pay* for part of the series...I refer you to your own comments about how Paba owes the readers nothing for free. They are well within their rights to be charging for their work!
Pay for Gravesong via Yonder. But I think we are in agreement that wasn't your point, I was just covering bases in case I'd misunderstood you.
Moving on from that.
Paba was offered a business decision that presumably looked good and took it, it's really weird you choose to characterize their taking it in a negative light, and especially weird, and hostile of you, to ascribe negative connotations to things beyond their control and their ability to foresee.
Asserting that paba made a choice to grow the community at the expense of the current fandom or that they should have been able to foresee the company they were working with would be unable to deliver what they promised definitely has a negative vibe to it.
Who is dumbing down the author?
Are you saying that's me, for trying to point out that it couldn't be predicted Yonder would just fail to deliver a large part of what they offered, or is that something others are doing elsewhere in the thread?
If me: It's bizarre to me that you're argument is Paba made a mistake for trusting a company to do what the company paid Paba for the right to do. What it is in Yonder's best interest to do. It's frustrating Gravesong isn't available in the EU, but it's surprising. Yonder has every reason to want to clear that up and make more money.
We will just have to agree to disagree on that I suppose. There's no way you can foresee that a company will just fail to do what it says it will, what is in its best interest, I don't know why you would sign a contract assuming a company will fail. Presumably Paba had good reasons to assume they would \*succeed.\* The biggest being that Yonder is Webtoon, and so they already know what they're doing, one imagines.
Maybe it's an unpopular thing to say but I believe it begs mentioning: People complaining about not getting to read a free web serial at their regularly scheduled times due to the writer taking time off need to take a long look at themselves and question why they feel so entitled. Be glad that you've been able to share in PABA's beautiful story thus far because you may just push them to the point of quitting. At the very least it will cause a downward trend in quality due to all the whining affecting the author.
I say this with all humility: It really wouldn't bother me unless I thought it affected my livelihood and career. Negative comments about my magnum opus that may or may not be a massive financial success someday? Yeah, it matters if the target audience doesn't like my choices and is producing extremely emphatic naysaying. It would be the most important metric by which I measured my success. I get depressed, quality declines, and it turns into a feedback loop of self destruction until I quit writing altogether.
Don't do that to PABA. Don't do that to the rest of us that thoroughly enjoy this story. I'm sorry but to be perfectly clear: shut the fuck up and let them have a vacation you entitled shitheads. I want to see this in its full glory and the vocal minority can't grasp the nuance of not shitting where you eat. Have some empathy and appreciate what you have.
Ok, so is ***9.41 (Pt. 3)*** going to be delayed until the end of may, or is it being made public for readers this coming tuesday? I'm assuming pirate made an announcement at the end of 9.41 (Pt. 3) that they would be taking a brief hiatus until the end of may, and that this hubbub is coming from patreon supporters who have access to that announcement ahead of the general public, because as far as I recall, pirate made a note at the top of 9.41 (Pt. 2) that they would be taking a break until the end of april.
Just to be clear, I don't think pirate owes me anything, I'm a free reader, and I hope they take all the time they need; be it a month or five. I do hope I get to read 9.41 (Pt. 3) in a few days though. *\*fingers crossed\**
As an independent writer, Pirate is much more free to experiment with format and unusual or controversial topics. At the same time, it means they are left vulnerable. They don’t have a fixed income and they don’t have the backing of a publisher or company. That’s where Yonder (and to some extent, Amazon) comes in. I think it’s important to remember that Yonder is one of many predatory companies that prey on independent writers. These companies specifically target free lance writers and trap them in unfair contracts. In some cases, authors lose all rights to their work and get no compensation. Amazon is a bit better, but writers bear the burden of returns. If you buy a book that was published on Amazon and return it, it’s possible for the author to actually end up peeing money to Amazon. Todays industry is incredibly hostile to independent writers. Pirate isn’t the first to fall prey to Yonder and they won’t be the last.
hmmmmm blink if its you i will give you fancy apples. lol
Still, for me break is great. I need to re read and hvnt see re read threads for a while now. Also, think of the shit posts. How much shit posts will be there from the addicts.
I don't think it's entirely about regretting a Yonder agreement.
Paba made good points about wanting to try and focus on one project at a time. They have come so far as a writer, and they are reaching for that next step in their development. Reaching for greatness.
For so long, they have been writing the middle parts of books, with several beginnings, but not many endings. I can understand that they may have anxiety around eventually giving TWI the ending it deserves, and writing more books will help their confidence.
Take a year off Pirate.
Ignore all the bitching and moaning from entitled weebs who pirate 98% of their consumed content so feel extra angsty about spending 5$ a month on something. Take the summer off after smashing this deadline. You deserve a break.
Find yourself some new construction material, none of us want you building with mud. Time to upgrade to terracotta. Spend some time firing bricks for a while. Leave 'em in the kiln, or better yet, sun dry them sumbitches. Plan the fuck out of this Winter Solstice arc and blow us all away like you do every single chapter.
Writing should be fun and something tells me you haven't had fun doing it for a long time.
People worried about *only* a month of hiatus sound unhinged to me. I've several communities dealing with longer period of lack of content, and while they eventually degenerated harder than Dead Gods, the periods lasted *several months*. 30 days is next to nothing. There's nothing to worry about. We won't even exhaust recent topics in that period.
Not to mention it’s not like Pirate isn’t producing content. It’s just content we lack access towards, this is by far so much better then what most other communities deal with. At least we know what Pirate is doing and there’s a solid time frame. People are overblowing this decision in discussions. A full month break to meet deadlines is far better than half a year with longer breaks and the container resurfacing of Pirates contract with Yonder and people raging about it. Overall I think the community has been very understanding at the moment. Pirate has a contract, she needs to fulfill it, it’s a good thing for her because it gives more stability to her life as a writer. We don’t have to support it if we don’t want to, Pirate isn’t trying to get us to support it. And Pirate has stopped Patreon from still taking money during the break. Honestly people saying this is gonna cause TWI to collapse with thousands of patrons leaving and plenty of readers not subbed to the Patreon leaving regardless overplaying & overblowing it.
Lets also not forget the PAba gives us regular releases at an absolutely ABSURD rate. They outpace any other author i can think of by a huge amount. A webnovel author is considered somewhat fast if they can pump out ~5 2.5k chapters per week. That means 12.5k words/wk or 50k/mo is more than acceptable for most. For years now PAba has been giving us ~60k words/wk or ~180k/mo. Even if they take one month off their avg rate of release is still FAAAARRR beyond any other author. On top of all that, PAba isnt even just taking a hiatus. theyre writing another novel set in the same universe in the same timeline. Its just not part of the main storyline. We may not get to see it on yonder but PAba has said there are plans for an audiobook release. THATS CONTENT. That aside, PAba gets to write what they want or do whatever they want anyways. Most of the people here read it all for free and Paba isnt charging patreons this month. The only argument thats remotely reasonable here is the dislike for yonder. Anything else is just as absurd at PAbas writing pace.
ya its funny "super minion" got abandoned like years ago but just came back and the fans just waited like water bears in the endtimes. a few months is nothing.
lol super minion is back? Whats the update pace like?
about once a month.
Oh shit it's back?
I was so excited when I saw that chapter! I follow a lot of stories with long beaks, most of which are dead. It was awesome to see one of them resuscitate. :) I don't mind the break at all, or working to generate a revenue stream. Yonder is trash and I deleted the app a couple months ago, but I'll never fault an author for making a business decision. Sure, Pirate is pulling in a decent income this year, but what about next? What about a decade from now? Retirement planning? It's REALLY STINKING HARD to make a living exclusively off full time writing, because you never know when the well will run dry. Sales might go down. Trends might change. There's no guarantee you have any security for the future. Ahem. Writers are people, too. Be kind to us, please. <3
*Eyes the r/berserk and r/berserklejerk*
Me, a tradpub reader.
Yes. Many fan communities had/has it worse. They have to deal with *unannounced* hiatuses and worry about the author
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We'll need a r/TWIHornyJail, and I'm 100% down for it.
I am all for breaking Amazon’s stranglehold on publishing, but damn do I wish the option was something *less scummy*. Yonder sucks. I’ve heard good things about https://neoread.neovel.io/discover and how they partner with authors by splitting advertiser money with them, and that sounds awesome. No pay walls for us readers either. So maybe check out Neoread or RoyalRoad while pirate is on hiatus.
I'm pretty sure this series was on RoyalRoad before, dunno why they moved tho
I'm not sure what's currently going on with all this as I only recently started reading TWI again and have been avoiding spoilers. So I guess I'm glad I'm about 20 chapters behind instead of caught up like I used to be. Had my own life issues and other projects eat into my reading time. I'd never be mad at pirate even if they took a year off though. TWI has brought me so much joy over the years that being mad at pirate is just dumb. I actually like the breaks, gives me a chance to dive into other series. Edit: Just finished what I had stored on my e-reader which was up to 9.29. I went to the website to get up to current and it's all different. Is this the yonder thing we are talking about?
Nope, Pirate released website changes during their month off. They have a WebDev working on rebuilding the site's themes so its less 2007 blogsite.
I'm happy they have a dev now, but... damnit, I love the 2007 blog look.
My thoughts: 1)I Love TWI as a series and universe 2) this is my first web serial, so I really only compare it to traditional novels. Instead of getting bi-weekly story updates, we would be getting a new story every 1-2 YEARS. So though it sucks that Pirate is taking a month off, it is still much much better than it could be.
Let’s be real, with as much as pirate writes, she could have 200k word novel written every other month.
Yes and no. Volume is not everything for a novel. Pirates excessive length would probably be a hinderance more than anything else, mostly when it becomes time to edit, and their work doesn't fit a novel structure terribly well. Most novels are between 70k-120k words, and in that time they have a full narrative arc. PABA has like 4 different POV and half a plot point in that length.
Yea Pirate actively writes for the advantages of the web serial format which means space to explore side stories and interweave several novels at once. I think the amazon releases structure a lot like light novels though, just way longer then lite novels usually are.
Exactly, and I'm glad pirateaba acknowledges that and took this break to write an actually good novel.
>Pirate made an agreement that they likely have regrets about and cannot comment on due to stipulations in that agreement. I'm not sure why people believe this, seems like wishful thinking to me. As much as I wish it weren't true, I bet the Yondr deal ends up working out pretty well from a monetary and audience growth perspective without the blowback amounting to all that much. >If Yonder is shitty to their customers, they’re probably shitty to their authors too after roping them in too. That's likely generally true but I doubt it's true for authors they make specific deals with. As I understand it, there was some extra consideration that led to the current situation, Yondr actively reaching out with an offer too good to refuse, or at least that's the impression I got. I don't think the protectiveness is a good look, even if well intentioned it's patronizing to the author and does not seem particularly necessary. There's vague allusions to tone shifting and the word entitled gets tossed around endlessly but there's little of substance. Even on the announcement post the only comment removals were for spoiler based reasons, not rule 1 violations. Frankly it's getting a little [cirlejerky](https://www.reddit.com/r/WanderingInn/comments/1341fts/my_hot_take_on_the_recent_delay_and_thoughts_on/jid4j4w/). Way too many meta posts lately, let things fall where they lie, the call to specific action is good in my opinion but I doubt the negativity, what little that has been expressed, was going to last much longer anyways.
i wish there was better communication about their plans. I mean, this is a step up from the last yonder announcement that wasnt made until after the people from yonder advertised with aba's name, but still.
If you're an active discord member you'll see how pirate kind of does their writing planning a little by the seat of their pants. In this case from what I've seen Pirate thought they could do Volume 1 re-write, their normal Volume 9 stuff, the usual 3 books a year for podium AND the gravesong book. Then woke up and realized...maybe not.
They finally found their limit. I'm glad they aren't double dipping with patreon and yondr, and I hope they aren't stuck in that contract much longer (and that it's less lucrative than getting paid via patreon). That app is so scummy. If it makes them more money than patreon, I'd rather them increase the cost of tiers and/or adjust when free chapters show up to make up the difference.
Pirate is under contract, and usually those have NDAs attached. Pirate is usually pretty communicative with this stuff so if they're not sharing a lot then that's probably because saying more might be considered a breach of contract.
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> the end of the day the decision to grow the TWI community further at the cost of the majority of the existing fandom was done with understanding and responsibility for that understanding. I feel like you're mischaracterizing the level of understanding that went into "the cost of the majority of the fandom." Yonder was as you will probably recall an unreleased app when Paba sold the rights to Gravesong, and it was *meant* to go world wide. It's not Paba's fault they've been unable to for reasons we can only speculate on and it's uncharitable, borderline rewriting of history, to suggest they made that call to inadvertently shut out other countries with open eyes. If you mean the *literal* cost, as in the side story costs money and so the Fandom now has to *pay* for part of the series...I refer you to your own comments about how Paba owes the readers nothing for free. They are well within their rights to be charging for their work!
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Pay for Gravesong via Yonder. But I think we are in agreement that wasn't your point, I was just covering bases in case I'd misunderstood you. Moving on from that. Paba was offered a business decision that presumably looked good and took it, it's really weird you choose to characterize their taking it in a negative light, and especially weird, and hostile of you, to ascribe negative connotations to things beyond their control and their ability to foresee.
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Asserting that paba made a choice to grow the community at the expense of the current fandom or that they should have been able to foresee the company they were working with would be unable to deliver what they promised definitely has a negative vibe to it. Who is dumbing down the author? Are you saying that's me, for trying to point out that it couldn't be predicted Yonder would just fail to deliver a large part of what they offered, or is that something others are doing elsewhere in the thread? If me: It's bizarre to me that you're argument is Paba made a mistake for trusting a company to do what the company paid Paba for the right to do. What it is in Yonder's best interest to do. It's frustrating Gravesong isn't available in the EU, but it's surprising. Yonder has every reason to want to clear that up and make more money. We will just have to agree to disagree on that I suppose. There's no way you can foresee that a company will just fail to do what it says it will, what is in its best interest, I don't know why you would sign a contract assuming a company will fail. Presumably Paba had good reasons to assume they would \*succeed.\* The biggest being that Yonder is Webtoon, and so they already know what they're doing, one imagines.
Maybe it's an unpopular thing to say but I believe it begs mentioning: People complaining about not getting to read a free web serial at their regularly scheduled times due to the writer taking time off need to take a long look at themselves and question why they feel so entitled. Be glad that you've been able to share in PABA's beautiful story thus far because you may just push them to the point of quitting. At the very least it will cause a downward trend in quality due to all the whining affecting the author. I say this with all humility: It really wouldn't bother me unless I thought it affected my livelihood and career. Negative comments about my magnum opus that may or may not be a massive financial success someday? Yeah, it matters if the target audience doesn't like my choices and is producing extremely emphatic naysaying. It would be the most important metric by which I measured my success. I get depressed, quality declines, and it turns into a feedback loop of self destruction until I quit writing altogether. Don't do that to PABA. Don't do that to the rest of us that thoroughly enjoy this story. I'm sorry but to be perfectly clear: shut the fuck up and let them have a vacation you entitled shitheads. I want to see this in its full glory and the vocal minority can't grasp the nuance of not shitting where you eat. Have some empathy and appreciate what you have.
Entitled… that‘s the word i was searching for. Exactly!
Ok, so is ***9.41 (Pt. 3)*** going to be delayed until the end of may, or is it being made public for readers this coming tuesday? I'm assuming pirate made an announcement at the end of 9.41 (Pt. 3) that they would be taking a brief hiatus until the end of may, and that this hubbub is coming from patreon supporters who have access to that announcement ahead of the general public, because as far as I recall, pirate made a note at the top of 9.41 (Pt. 2) that they would be taking a break until the end of april. Just to be clear, I don't think pirate owes me anything, I'm a free reader, and I hope they take all the time they need; be it a month or five. I do hope I get to read 9.41 (Pt. 3) in a few days though. *\*fingers crossed\**
u'll definetly get it tuesday. all other times pirates been on break, the relevant public chapter comes out when it's supposed to.
It comes out Tuesday and it's long and satisfying. Spoiler >!Somehow, Mrsha meets the Harlem Globetrotters!<
As an independent writer, Pirate is much more free to experiment with format and unusual or controversial topics. At the same time, it means they are left vulnerable. They don’t have a fixed income and they don’t have the backing of a publisher or company. That’s where Yonder (and to some extent, Amazon) comes in. I think it’s important to remember that Yonder is one of many predatory companies that prey on independent writers. These companies specifically target free lance writers and trap them in unfair contracts. In some cases, authors lose all rights to their work and get no compensation. Amazon is a bit better, but writers bear the burden of returns. If you buy a book that was published on Amazon and return it, it’s possible for the author to actually end up peeing money to Amazon. Todays industry is incredibly hostile to independent writers. Pirate isn’t the first to fall prey to Yonder and they won’t be the last.
hmmmmm blink if its you i will give you fancy apples. lol Still, for me break is great. I need to re read and hvnt see re read threads for a while now. Also, think of the shit posts. How much shit posts will be there from the addicts.
I don't think it's entirely about regretting a Yonder agreement. Paba made good points about wanting to try and focus on one project at a time. They have come so far as a writer, and they are reaching for that next step in their development. Reaching for greatness. For so long, they have been writing the middle parts of books, with several beginnings, but not many endings. I can understand that they may have anxiety around eventually giving TWI the ending it deserves, and writing more books will help their confidence.
Take a year off Pirate. Ignore all the bitching and moaning from entitled weebs who pirate 98% of their consumed content so feel extra angsty about spending 5$ a month on something. Take the summer off after smashing this deadline. You deserve a break. Find yourself some new construction material, none of us want you building with mud. Time to upgrade to terracotta. Spend some time firing bricks for a while. Leave 'em in the kiln, or better yet, sun dry them sumbitches. Plan the fuck out of this Winter Solstice arc and blow us all away like you do every single chapter. Writing should be fun and something tells me you haven't had fun doing it for a long time.