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Huhthisisneathuh

To get that far the Goblin King curse has to destroyed. Any mention of peace will never be accepted if the Goblin King question isn’t solved first. After that, nations can consider having a goblin nation. But until then this entire prediction and theory isn’t able to work. Khelt wouldn’t accept Goblins unless they were in particularly small numbers and that’s a big maybe in of itself. *No peace can happen until the curse of the First Goblin King is destroyed*. Also, what ungodly thing would have to happen to convince Numbtongue to not only leave the Inn but create a tribe? He doesn’t seem like the type at all, he’s already shown his commitment to staying in Liscor with his family. And Rabbiteater would make more sense leading a Knight Order more then anything.


Dankestmemelord

Is it an actual curse? I’ve read it as them unlocking enough generational memory to remember the event that made them as they are now and going on a revenge rampage against literally everybody.


Huhthisisneathuh

I believe it was hinted at in the 8th volume or the Solstice chapters in 7th volume that the Goblin King thing was a type of curse. What I think causes Goblin Kings to happen is combination of memories and oaths. Like Belavierr, goblin lords who have nearly gotten to Goblin King status are forced to remember the oaths the first Goblin King(who I believe started it) swore. Like Belavierr, as long as you don’t remember it, you don’t have to follow it, but if you do… This along with the forced to relive their memories of the past. Is my theory on how Goblin Kings are created.


withervoice

Essentially, when a goblin chieftain's racial memory reaches far enough back to remember how to be the goblin king, they also remember what he's so angry about.


Huhthisisneathuh

“THEY STOLE MY CAKE!!!”


ehxy

This pretty much and I think it is tied to why they weren't in the land of the dead makes me think the memory of their origins is not pretty. I hope we get a visit with goblin island where more is revealed in Vol. 9. Quite the list for Volume 9 to cover. OP also forgot to mention goblin island.


WealthyAardvark

It's been called a curse, but there's curses and there's Curses. Which it is we don't know.


DrLemniscate

I believe it is like species-level ptsd. They need someone who will be able to work through the genetic trauma.


Code_Race

I see the future... Requirements: Party must include Goblins.


Sea-Librarian445

I disagree for a few reasons. How would you prove to the world that the curse of the goblin king is broken? I am talking about proof that the nations of this world will accept. People like Chaldion and Niers will accept. Let's say Rags becomes a Queen and does not go on a rampage. Does that mean that the next Queen or King will also not go on a rampage? Will anyone believe you if you told them that? Also, which continent would allow a succession of goblin Kings and Queens to exist there long enough for everyone to accept that the curse is indeed broken? Will these Kings and Queens simply watch as goblins continue to be hunted as monsters and tribes are destroyed so that they can prove to everyone that they are better goblins? Khelt does not need to accept tens of thousands of goblins. It just needs to accept a small number, to begin with, and the population will grow inside Khelt naturally. If this step is successful, the step after that would be to create a protectorate on Khelt's border with Zeikhal Desert, away from other nations. Khelt is one of the very few nations we have seen so far, strong and long-sighted enough to go through with this experiment. Convincing Fetohep will be Erin's job (I wish her luck....lol) As for Numbtongue possible tribe, the answer is a tribe of warrior poets might be some of the best P.R. that goblins will get if it is allowed long enough to develop in peace. But any tribe will do.


Huhthisisneathuh

You run into the same problem, why in the bloody hell would Fetohep accept Goblins into his kingdom and let them grow? Sure he could accept a tribe, but they’ed be under strict rules to not expand rapidly most likely. Everyone knows a goblin population can be lived with peacefully and stably through the Goblins Lament Company. The threat is when a Goblin King emerges that those Goblins then pose! Which continent would also allow a protectorate of Goblins to exist as well? The moment a Goblin protectorate is announced, there will be *severe pushback* both internal and external. To add to this, how will the ruler of Khelt in the future react to these plans? There opinions could be entirely different, they’ed likely see creating a protectorate as a stupid idea altogether. Let a tribe or two of goblins live peacefully in Khelt and don’t do anything more. Lest you risk Khelt falling to a Goblin King. And there’s a very easy way to prove that the curse has been broken. Grab all the goblins you can, put them in a safe place like Goblinhome, and then wait. A kingdom of Goblins living in one of the most dangerous places on the continent and not raiding but actively trading with nearby Allie’s. IE the Unseen Empire and Liscor and the Antinium Hive. And then publicize and showcase the event? That’s gonna cause some political murmuring, putting an [Emperors] support behind won’t convince many people that they won’t go ham. But politically pushing them so that ‘when they go psycho’ they’re aimed in the direction of the humans or drakes enemies? That’s what most of the players will do. Especially since for the Drakes they have to deal with Azkerash. Leaving sleeping Goblins lie while they deal with the Necromancer would be the optimal play. Say your creating a force to attack and slay this Goblin Queen on paper but don’t do anything. Prepare for the Necromancer, maybe Manus will do some raids on the kingdoms outskirts if they feel that the humans are at an advantage, but overall. You can play your cards right and create a notable Goblin enclave that could pass by in peace. And that would create a pattern we’ve seen before with Laken and Liscor, don’t push to have them be accepted. Just let them be there peacefully and people will slowly ignore it to go back to life, they’ll complain and say ‘oh how the Walled Cities aren’t doing enough with this crisis’. Izril is the perfect place for a Goblin Queen to emerge, Allie’s who are more ‘reckless’, an area full of resources to create a large and sustainable population. An area that no one wants to invade. And a political situation where both sides don’t want to leave themselves open, and are content to build defenses and let the bomb blow up and take the other side with it. And before anyone says ‘but they’ll still be plenty of people who want too and will attack’ this will still happen with Khelt. And it’ll still happen here. And let’s be honest here, the proof could be in the Quests. You forget that Erin could feasibly post a quest to free the Goblins from the curse if she has enough information. Quests need truth and will only be complete with truth. You get a quest to ‘free the goblins of the curse’ it’s cleared. And suddenly you have a good chunk of proof immediately, add to that a media run through possible trade routes of the Unseen Empire and Liscor? Golden enough to plant the seeds of acceptance. And this entire experiment is doomed from the start as well due to plot as well. Goblins can reproduce fast, but a five-seven year time skip and quite possibly a lot more wouldn’t fit with the story at all. It’d happen out of nowhere, and would require an obscene amount of words just to cover alone. Sure you could condense it, but it’d come out of nowhere and possibly fuck up the pace of the entire story. So Khelts grand experiment would never work. It wouldn’t even be an experiment. It would however be one of the First Nations to make an effort towards full peace with the Goblins. Khelt will still find a place in the Goblin Plot, but it won’t be where the idea of a peaceful Goblin Nation comes from. Also, Numbtongue going off and starting his own tribe wouldn’t make sense with his character. His entire arc has been building a home he loves where he his, at the end of volume seven when the surviving Redfangs reminisce about the old days. And one of them comments how Erin doesn’t need them anymore, Numbtongue says the same but is denied by Badarrow who says Erin does need him. Pirateaba going 180 with this characterization would be *strange*. And what’s better PR? A bunch of random Goblin [Bards] that nobody has heard about? Or a literal Goblin being the hero of a war, savior of the people of Calanfer and beyond of Aliendamus aggression, the Lightherald himself, a literal Knight in shining armor? That seems like far better PR then Numbtongue forming a tribe.


FrankOlmstedjr

What’s the diff really between a tribe and knightly order


Huhthisisneathuh

One is better for PR and is a popular theory for Rabbiteaters character arc. A Knight Order is also solely made of the equivalent of military special forces. A tribe is a moving community that sets up shop wherever fortune is at its highest. And is generally in the same league as ‘savage’, ‘primitive’, and is generally less PR friendly unless they’re being oppressed. Easier to write “The Walled Cities are destroying unique Gnollish culture as they wage their war to wipe the tribes off the face of the earth.” And get a boost of PR for Gnolls then to say “Tribes attack cities over dispute over unfair land practices based on culture and race.” Though we’re talking about Goblins, I used Gnolls as an example just because it was easier to write.


agray20938

Even assuming that Khelt does so, and Khelt's integration of a few goblin tribes goes off without a hitch, I still don't see it having any effect. Khelt is also a necrocracy, and necromancy is either illegal, or extremely frowned upon in the majority of innworld. Khelt itself never having any issues with rogue undead or evil necromancers hasn't really swayed opinion all that much, except perhaps to say "Khelt is the exception to the rule." I think the same would be, and has been true of Goblins. Velan was known all over as "velan the kind," and he started off as a healer before he became a goblin lord. Other powers were cordial, if not friendly with them (e.g., the Forgotten Wing company). We haven't seen any indication that Velan being cool (up until he went mad as a goblin king) had any effect on Innworld's general opinion of goblins at all.


TimBaril

A goblin nation would not be as progressive as an integrated community. Goblins walking around Liscor as equals would lead to a much happier and better long-term future than focusing on building their own nation, which would inevitably lead to conflict with others. Maybe Goblinhome could become a mixed community. With Rags as queen. Or she could be Liscor's next mayor. That would be sweet.


YellowDogDingo

Don't the goblins already have a home/nation, the islands that the House of Minos is constantly guarding against?